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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best a billion Lisa in the Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning guys, Happy Saturday.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
It's pretty Sir Riley from Billy and Lisa in the Morning,
counting down the top five moments of the week with you.
Another wet Saturday, but hopefully listening to Kiss will cheer
you up. Let's jump right into number five. So the
Karen Reid trial has become a big topic of conversation
on the Billy and Lisa Show. We have Katherine Loftus
in every week to break it down.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
So let's do just that.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Okay, we've got attorney Catherine Loftus in the studio. We
do this every Thursday morning, we talk about the Karen
Reid trial. And again, if you've got questions for the
attorney six one, seven, nine, three eight or.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Justin, they can send tarkbacks too.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
Yeah, you can drop your question on the iHeartRadio app.
You just listen to us on Kiss one oaight, tap
that little microphone button.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
And good morning counsel, Good morning to you.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I want to post a question right at the outset
if you don't mind, I know, lest write our own
questions and uh so we're coming up on a pivotal
moment because the defense is about ready to present its case,
right or did they start yesterday?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
They have not started yet.
Speaker 7 (01:00):
There the Kalm Walth is on the final witness, that's
doctor Judson Welch's examination.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He's had a lot of time, yes, and he's probably
maybe tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (01:11):
Jen attorney Lessie said at the end of the day,
I don't know if you, if anybody caught it. At
the end of the day, when the judge asked how
much longer, he said, you know, I'm about halfway through.
And it sounds like based on what he said that
we might go into Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And there it's only a half day today.
Speaker 8 (01:26):
It's only a half day today, right when there's a
juror that has an appointment, that's.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
Correct, and they try to accommodate if possible.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Okay, So here's my opening question. Chunselor uh so the
defense getting set.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
To present its case.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Do you think there's any possibility that they might be
sitting on something big? This is going to break this
case wide open.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think that's unlikely.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
It's interesting to see we don't know what the defense
is going to present this time. There was a little
bit of an inkland some of the filings earlier this
week about they supplemented the defense supplemented their list, So
it is an indication that they might.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Not call Trooper Proctor.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
The question really now is do they present the case
really against sort of what the Komalth has presented. So
we're talking about different experts, you know, attacking sort of
the brick as we talk about that the commals trying
to build, or do they go with this alternate theory,
the third party theory and the planting.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So that's that's one to be watched.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
And is anybody going to believe anything Procter says anyway
at this point?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know, I mean, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
From what we've heard from the jury the first time
is that they really took that he was not a
good person, that they were disgusted by the text, but
it didn't seem to really affect substantively how they viewed
the evidence. And it's it seems like he's likely not
to be called at all this time. So it's it's
a tactic, but it's almost more helpful for the defense
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to be able to point the finger at sort of
this boogeyman of Michael Proctor and say, like look at
the Komalt didn't even call their lead investigator instead of
putting him on and potentially the komwalth rehabilitating him.
Speaker 8 (03:04):
Can we go back to this guy Welcher for a second, Judson, Yes, okay.
So how impactful was the paint exercise that they presented
to the jury with the transfer from the tail light
to the arm.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I mean, it's it's helpful.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
I think the overall I don't know if that specific
piece in and of itself was you know, this smoking gun. Again,
anytime we have an expert who's looking at the facts
of the case and the evidence that they have it
and they're coming to an opinion, what the jury is
doing is looking at Okay, is this person reliable? Are
they credible in their field? Should we you know, what
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weight should we give this? There's a lot of discussion
about you know that he wore similar to John o'keith's clothes.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
This paint on his arm.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I mean, I think it shows the sort of general
idea of where he could have been hit. But again,
nobody can say for sure what exactly happened.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
But I thought the visualization of it was impact.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
It was because in one of the questions that was
asked towards the end, I believe by Attorney Brennan was
about whether the paint went on the underside of the arm,
and it didn't and it was only on the top.
So it's the first sort of visual representation that we've
had at all in the case about what the kom
wealth actually things happened.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Now I'm no expert, but I'm looking at those cuts
on the arm.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Those cuts can be caused by a bump from a car.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
Like there were lacerations, right, So what his testimony was
that they were basically lacerations from not just the bump,
but from the break, so that the if there was
a clipping or you know, bumping, that that caused the
break and then the break caused the lacerations in the
arms as mister O'Keeffe was sort of being pushed away.
Speaker 8 (04:44):
And I loved how they basically said that he can
say that, based on what he's viewed, that a car
similar to Karen Reid's Lexus could have done this, but
you can't say that Karen Reid did.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
This, right, because that's really conclusion of fact. So just
because he did say on the stand, you know this
is what happened. He can't say that, but he can
say it basically exactly what you said. Is close to
possible that a vehicle of the same make and model
as Karen Reid's could have caused these injuries.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And I believe that they did cause these Do they.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Really pay this guy four hundred thousand dollars it.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Seems like it.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
I'm experts, This is an expert testimony is a big
business in civil and criminal litigation.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
But it's weird that you're paying almost a half million
dollars or somebody you want to say what you have
to have them say.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Well, the interesting thing about experts is that, I mean,
that's ultimately what it is. And that's why I think
it's always important from the observer's perspective to remember that
they are one.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They are paid.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
You know, he testified that he has previously testified for
both the defense for the state in different jurisdictions. But
you know, ultimately, the hope is that you give an expert,
you know, the discovery of the evidence, and they come
to their own conclusion. You know, there is a world
where you can the commual could have given him everything
and he didn't come up with that theory, you know,
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or came up to a different conclusion than they would
have to provide that to defense. But just the same
as on the other side, they'll have experts that opine
as to their theory and they'll be paid by them.
So that's why sometimes experts in a way sort of
cancel each other out, because the jury looks at it
as like, well, they're all being paid to sort of
say what each side wants them to pay.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Well, speaking of the jury, Speaking of the jury, there
are a lot of little things that go on inside
the courtroom.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
This is a tiny room. It's much smaller than it
appears on TV.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yes it is.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
So you have the weird stenographer with the mask on
her face, right, and every so often the stenographer will
like roll her eyes or look up and react to something,
and sometimes the judge will like roll herries or something.
Is the jury faced it all by that one way
or another?
Speaker 7 (06:48):
I mean, they pay attention to everything in my from
my perspective, in not every single jury, but the juries
pay attention to the lawyers, They pay attention to the defendant,
the court, the starch kerry read the stenography. Yes, today
when attorney a Lessie said he would be long as
she literally took the thing off her and her head
went back and she said, oh my god, I.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
Can I ask you a question about that device that
she was How do you not get like a rash
around your mouth?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I don't know, I just as a as a person.
I don't know old.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
I know, I've never tried a lot of a lot
of trials. Now we have what's called the for the
record system, so it's all digitally recorded. But in big
cases they like to have a stenographer as a backup.
But I mean, think about the fact that she has
to be listening to every single person.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's a difficult job.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And by the way, get a friend of mine is
a stenographer and she called me she doesn't use the thing.
There are some stenographers that don't loreen. You know who
I'm talking about. There's some that don't use them at
that's right.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Hey, guys, it's producer Riley from Billy and Lisa in
the Morning counting down the top five moments of the
week with you. We had Catherine Lofta's answer all of
our questions, so let's get to yours. It's number four.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
Let's get some talkbacks in justin Well, a lot of
questions on the amount of money the state is spending
on these experts. We talked about that with cat within
a couple of minutes ago.
Speaker 9 (08:01):
Okay, so why is it okay that the States spent
like four hundred and eighty thousand dollars you know, all
these experts, but the defense was crucified for spending you know,
under thirty on their expert is just because you know,
the judge knew upfront about this.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So I don't think it's forty. The numbers seems to
be to be going up with us to think. But
this is the thing.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
The parties get to do whatever they want, and so
it is a lot of money for an expert. Expert
witness testimony is big business and civil and criminal litigation.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
They get paid a lot of money. These are engineers.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
The question ultimately becomes sort of the comparison between the
commwealth pain aperture and the issue about the Defense paying ACA.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The question about that was who was paying OCCA.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
It wasn't actually about the money itself, because that was
relative to this allegation that there was not supposed to
be any communication between the Defense and OCCRA. And then
there was discovered there was a bill, So it's not
actually the dollar amount that that was in contention. It
was the fact that they paid them themselves instead of
the fact, and they.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Didn't present it.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
That's correct, so right, and so it wasn't turned over
to either the court or the prosecution because they were
supposed to be you know, they started off obviously as
independent witnesses. They were hired by the United States Attorney's
Office for the federal investigation. Subsequent to that, there was
obviously communication with the defense and so, you know, but
it's it's a lot of money. It's there's no doubt
(09:31):
that the amount paid to apertures is a lot of money.
But the come wealth gets to do present their case
in the way they want and spend their money that's
allocated to them the way they want.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And speaking of money, part of our off air conversation
with about jurors who were there for weeks and weeks
and some of them aren't getting paid. Some are, but
some aren't, so they lose income for weeks and weeks.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
That so right, So, as we were talking about the
nobody will be sad on a jury if there's a
financial hotship. So if you're going to lose income, You're
not going to be able to pay your bills or
day care. Think like that. That's called the financial hardship.
And you won't be sad on the jury. So there's
a presumption that everybody who's on the jury is either
being paid or doesn't need to be paid, and everybody
(10:10):
kind of gets flushed out the other people who would
have problems, but before they get sad.
Speaker 10 (10:14):
Wow.
Speaker 11 (10:14):
My question for Attorney Loftus is has she ever seen
the Commonwealth spend as much money as they have trying
to nail Karen Reid. It's it's unbelievable how much money
it's costing us.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
A legitimate question.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Also, imagine if it's a hung jury.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
Again that's right, and hopefully if it's a hung jury,
then that's that'd be that's the end of it, you know,
that's the goal. Yes, I mean, like I said, experts
cost a lot of money. So if you have complicated cases,
it's not unheard of that you'll have witnesses. You know,
this is an engineer, an engineering firm. I mean they're
(10:55):
build out probably at hundreds and hundreds of dollars per hour,
and there was quite extensive work, so that adds up
pretty quickly. It is a lot of money, and I
think it's a fair concern. They believe that she's guilty
and seems like they were willing.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
To But it's taxpayer money, that's correct.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
So if you think about it, it is taxpayer money.
It is allocated, so it's not as if it's so
it's you know, the deff separate issue. But the budget
is set every year obviously in July by the legislator
and each you know, the Public Defender's office, the DA's
office is allocated a set amount of money and they
get to spend it anyway they want, whether it's on experts,
whether it's on new DA's.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Things like that. But yes, it is in fact taxpayer money.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Part of me thinks you can pay a certain amount
of money that can tilt the case one way or
another based on how much you're spending versus the evidence.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Well, ultimately that's what goes to the weight of what
the testimony is from the experts, and why I always
encourage people to remember that experts opinions are just that,
their opinions that you can take, as you know, in
addition to the evidence that you see presented. But just
like the com wealth pays their expert the defense always
pays their experts too, So you essentially have two sides
who are being paid to theorize something Differently.
Speaker 12 (12:04):
If Karen Reid has found not guilty at the end
of this retrial, what's next.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Or justice for Jonads in terms of the Commonwealth, that
would be it. If she's found not guilty across the board,
that ends the case. They won't pursue anybody else, They
won't try anybody else.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
They believe that she's guilty.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
So I'm not guilty to the Commonwealth doesn't equal innocent.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
It just means that they didn't prove it. So likely
that would be the end of it. All the civil
cases then all the civil cases.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
So for miss Reid, there's obviously the pending civil case
filed on behalf of the estate of John O'Keefe, and
then there is likely to be somewhat civil suits from
maybe some of the peripheral.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
So she could never be outside of court, Like I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
She's probably gonna be in court for a long time.
Speaker 13 (12:48):
Yeah, good morning everyone. I have been watching the Karen
Reid case for the last trial. Now this trial, the
judge just absolute annoys crap out of me. But why
does she call a sidebar every time like a lessie
gets going or you know, wants to talk to them
about what they're talking about. I mean, does she not
know how they're going to do this? What's the point
(13:10):
of the sidebar to tell him he can't ask those
questions like that. I'm just it happens every time.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Yes, So there were there were a couple of issues
of contention yesterday. One of them was the basis for
the vois deer at the end of the day in
which the defense wants to ask doctor Walter about troop
of Paul and what information that he had prior to
review in the case. That was an issue of contention,
as you saw when that line of questions started, Hank
(13:38):
brun right away, objection, objection of projection, They go to
sideby because we don't argue the law in front of
the jury. So anytime there's any substantive discussion that needs
to be had about what can come in whether you know,
we have to remember that everything still has to be
follow the rules of evidence. Has to be admissible, competent
evidence and relevant to the case.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Can't the jury still hear what they're saying.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
They can't actually this generally know they there's a there's
a what we call a shusher that goes on. So
it's it's like a like in the courtroom that the
clerk's office presses yes so that you.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Can't hear I've never heard this before.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
That an actual machine. It's like you can buy.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
So in the in the sort of recording system, the
clerk will press the So anytime there's a sidebar, because
they're supposed to be private conversations that.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I always thought that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I was like, you're sitting right there and show us
something else besides the fan, Yeah, I mean you know around.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And it's a sushar button.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
So it's like it's like in the computer system, like
in the recording system, but it will physically, it'll come
out of the speakers in the Courtum, you'll everybody will
hear in everybody, all the attorneys and the judge, we
all know you talk kind of quietly, yeah at sidebar anyway,
and then you have the shush on it.
Speaker 15 (14:58):
So that button have like a piece of duct tape
that actually says I don't I don't know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Run a clerk. I don't know who presses the button
the clerk.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Yeah, so the people one of the individuals who are
sitting in front of judge.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, so they'll, yes, they'll they'll press itself.
Speaker 15 (15:15):
Did they test the sugar button like before they start
the day's proceedings?
Speaker 11 (15:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Check who knew this was gonna be?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Hey, Billy, if you know anything about the Billy and
Lisa Show, it's that we love to watch TV shows
and movies, especially Billy Costa. It's producer Riley from Billy
and Lisa in the morning counting down the top five
moments of the week with you. And after the long weekend,
we had to come back and discuss all the things
that we had been watching. It's number three, Billy, Let's
(15:49):
get into it.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
So we started talking about things we're watching, things we
should be watching. I mean, I know, I just and look,
I know you're going to send a DM or something
that I'm late to the party with breaking down. Okay,
I admit it, but I finished all five seasons.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Over this weekend.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I'm impressed that you did that.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I'm almost almost done with Handmaid's Tale. One more episode,
I think, and I'm done with that, So I don't know,
I'm open.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
What are you watching?
Speaker 16 (16:14):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So this is a new show. It's called Sirens.
Speaker 10 (16:16):
It just.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
Dropped on Netflix like a week ago. It starts Megan Fahey,
who was in The Perfect Couple who we love.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
She's actually from Massachusetts.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Kevin Bacon Billy Oh plays the billionaire Julianne Moore.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And it's so good.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
It's only five episodes, so it's so binge worthy. And
it basically looks like it takes place on Nantucka, but
they actually filmed it on Long Island. But it's about
two sisters that come to this island and work for
this billionaire couple and what happens.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Don't you have a connection to one of the cameramen.
Speaker 8 (16:51):
Someone just DM me one of our listeners her brother
was like a lead camera guy on the series.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Oh yeah, Sirens. Okay, I'm on. Yeah so good.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Yeah. Well, I mean I'd never heard of the show
until you posted it, but apparently it's everyone's loving this show.
Speaker 17 (17:06):
Good morning, Lisa. I watched Sirens too, and I thought
it was very much like White Lotus, but you nailed
it adding in the Perfect Couple. And also I just
wanted to say, how gorgeous Julianne Moore is and she's
sixty four and yeah, goals. And I certainly hope there's
the season two.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
It sets up for a season too, because it's a
shocking ending, like shocking ending.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
I might have to watch this is it? Is it
a guys? Can guys watch it?
Speaker 8 (17:37):
It's a dark comedy like it's you'll really like it. Okay,
it's really messed up. It's like the White Lotus meets
the perfect couple meets something else that I can't figure out.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Well, I love White Lotus.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, we're going to start tonight, Sirens.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I'm watching Mobland one episode left. It's really good. Billy
you started it, but the you couldn't understand what they're saying.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Well, I was really impressed because I didn't appear It's
Brosenen was in it. Saw him in the opening scene
and I'm like, oh, is that Purece Brosnan and Helen
Mirren is in it?
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Yeah she is.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And I've always loved Tom Hardy. But I can't understand
a word they're saying. And Michelle will not watch anything with.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Some You've got to watch the subtitle the Morning Morning crew.
Speaker 10 (18:14):
I just wanted to tell Billy that you have to
put the closed captioning on for Mobland, and once you do,
it's a game changer. My husband and I stayed in
Binge watched it because I have a sick hall weekend.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Yeah, it's really good. I love Tom Hardy and he
plays obviously a mobster. He's like the Fix.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
He's amazing.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Also, one thing I noticed about they use that word
the bat.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yes, Michelle noticed that, the sea word.
Speaker 18 (18:44):
It's very it's very britt Is it a British, Yeah,
it's very British.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
That doesn't mean any of them.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
So if the entire cast of Mobland knows that no
one's going to understand what they're saying, why don't they
open their mouths when they spark talk.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
That that's you know what, it's realistic. That's that's how
they talk.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Okay, a.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
Shout out to a documentary that you may not know about.
It's called Octopus and it's on Amazon Prime and Tracy
Morgan is actually in it and it's narrated by Phoebe
waller Bridge, the actress.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Shout out. My friend watched it. She said, you have
to watch it.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Is it about an octopus.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
It's about a giant Pacific octopus named Doris. He survives
in the ocean.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Okay, Oh, you know what else I watched yesterday, The
one hundred foot Wave with the.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Good Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Hey guys, welcome back to the Top five Moments of
the week. It's producer Riley from Billy and Lisa in
the morning, and we were discussing pizza because Dave Portnoy
was in the area. He was here in Massachusetts doing
his one bite pizza reviews.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
He's got a big list going.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
In fact, you've probably seen him on TikTok if you
recognize this sounds and we.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Figured we needed to join in. It's number two.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
All right, let's have some fun.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
So Dave port Noy was in town this week checking
out a few pizza places.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
He's got that thing he does online.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Called one Byite pizza reviews. He's done over a thousand
pizza places.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Wow, So which ones did he hit here?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (20:10):
So he hit Least Pizza and Pub in Foxborough. He
gave it a seven point five out of ten, edge
Brook Saloon in Norfolk seven point nine out of ten,
and then Mike's and Mike and Lenni's Pizza in Walpole
and they have a second location in Braintree. They got
a seven point seven.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah, that's sounded good. Mike and Lenny's.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
And this guy Mike and Lennie that he had been
reaching out to Dave for years, dm ing him please
come buy, please come buy, and.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
He cleanly, did you have a favorite of your own?
Speaker 8 (20:38):
I love sALS Pizza and I like Papa Gino's and
then on the Cape Crisp pizza, Oh yeah good, but yeah,
but sALS just I like a good crust and it's
just very sort of doe crunchy at the same time,
So get in big slices.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
I like meta.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Chef Douglas has four locations of media and he's famous
pizza as well as Italian food. But he's in Newton,
he's in South End, He's in East Boston on the water.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
But yeah, mita I think is great.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And I also get to give a shout out to
a Brewers Fork in Charlestown. They're famous for their pizza.
Justin you have one up there in New Hampshire.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Yeah, there's a place called Grand Finale's in Salem, New Hampshire.
They have that garlic knotted crust pizza. It's really really good. Yeah,
it's a little bit far from my house, but I
mean I grew up right down the street in Maldon. Yeah,
and Pizza Pizza was three three houses down right up
the street. Yeah, my childhood home. So I grew up
on that pizza.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
When he does cheesecake Factory of Pizza, they have flatbread.
Speaker 18 (21:38):
But I'm a self Shore girly, so I have to
go bar pizza. You know bar pizzas where it's at
so Darcy's and Quincy Honey Mustard chicken pizza next level
or if you're also in Quincy, Liberty Tavern has it's
not bar pizza, but you know they used to.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Fire the wood fire.
Speaker 18 (21:54):
Oh yeah, they have like a gold fever chicken pizza.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Nice a bar pizza. Bardoz is really good. Yeah, justin
you got talkbacks on this.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Well, I want to mention that, you know, she mentioned
the South shore Portnites all over there. He went to
Braintree brew House.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, that's the same owner as the Mike and Lenny.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
So it's just called something different.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I think it's they served maybe they serve the pizza
within them.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Yeah, well you it gave strip club vibes.
Speaker 19 (22:20):
We are at Braintree Blue House and Braintree Bar Pie.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
We had to give a show. That's an interesting looking
bar pie looked. We looked at the pictures. They'll get
more cooked on it like that. Look at the difference
that slice to that slice.
Speaker 19 (22:32):
Anyhow, walked in strip club buttes, I mean it felt
like you walked into a strip club. We actually asked, like,
what was here before because we were waiting for like, oh,
Golden Banana or Foxy Lady.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
By the way, I've.
Speaker 19 (22:47):
Been debating the Foxy Lady like set me all merch.
It's kind of cool Celtics Loto Foxy Lady. I don't
know if I trust Peaches and I got like a
dog one felt wrong. Anyways, Treehouse Worry won by everyone
knows the rules. It's very different. Cheese there once two
see what we got self Shore bar.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Pie, brain Tree. You doesn't get more that, does it?
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yeah, bar Pizza is getting more and more popular. Bar
Pizza self Shore.
Speaker 12 (23:12):
It's not it's only.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Barnos is a soft Shore thing.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
But yeah, okay, I do like the I do like
bar pizza. I like the crust, the under under crust,
crust to be crispy.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I liked that a lot.
Speaker 14 (23:24):
Yeah, I heard you guys. We're looking for favorite pizza places.
I gotta say my favorite is Riverview Pizza in Ipswich, Massachusetts.
They got bar pizza. It's crispy, it's delicious. You haven't
had it, got to check it out.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Well, that's bar pizza, not on the south Shore.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Trust it.
Speaker 18 (23:43):
I don't trust.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Well, that's a battle, you know that's going on between
north Shore south Shore pizza. That's an ongoing battle.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Well, you can't find much bar pizza outside of the.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
South Shore, it really is.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Yeah, growing up, I can't remember ever eating bar pizza.
Speaker 18 (23:56):
Justin on your CHEATNT you could have literally seven pizzas.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
That's about it.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
It's very like ye're so smart.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
The one that the one that Portnoy was showing at
the brew House was tiny. That's like an appetizer for me.
Speaker 16 (24:08):
They're saying good morning, Happy Thursday. I just want to say,
hands down, best pizza place is Fossy's and lind mass
If you're into that sweet sauce, it is the best.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
I've eaten at Fossi's. I've had that pizza. Yeah, I
was in a I was in Well, I lived in
Lynn for a while and we used to order on
Friday nights from Fossi's very good pizza.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
But it's good that they're they're not calling in with
favorites that were the old time favorites. You know that
you always heard about nothing against them. They're still fabulous.
But it's great that we have a lot of new.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Pizza place, little local places and everybody's loving them.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Ye yes, Santarpio, I mean, yeah, yeah, those are the classics.
Speaker 17 (24:48):
Favorite pizza definitely is Cape cod Pizza with extra crispy edges.
Speaker 12 (24:54):
Cape.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Now, where's that Cape?
Speaker 18 (24:55):
It's like it's we're in Brockton, but there's like two
or three locations.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's one that Cape.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
It's bar Pizza's Bar Pizza, Bar Pizza.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
They do because I think they saw it at the
Milton market Place.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, let's go to Kelly and Framingham line one.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Hey Kelly, go ahead, give us a good one.
Speaker 20 (25:15):
Hey, Giannis and Framingham.
Speaker 21 (25:17):
That's pizza.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Anywhere is your uncle's place.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Or no, no, I don't.
Speaker 20 (25:25):
Even I don't even live in Framing him anymore.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
But the drive okay, good one.
Speaker 20 (25:32):
And if you look at the v Bros Instagram always
there all right.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
When Frankie Frankie, you know, when he comes here to
visit during the holidays, they always go to Giohanny's Framingham Kids.
Yeah yeah, oh we.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Know, Framingham, Massachusetts.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Yeah, we know.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Thank you, well, we did it.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Number one moment of the week hates producer Riley from
Billy and Lisa in the Morning. And you know us,
when we get started talking about food, we will just
keep going, and so will you, because we had a
ton of calls and talkbacks saying what your favorite pizza
places were, So let's just get into it.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
So we're into pizza.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Dave Portnoy was in town reviewing pizza places in Massachusetts.
We decided to ask everybody what their favorites were.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
And Lisa we left out an obvious number.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
One honorable mentioned Lisa's Pizza and Medford.
Speaker 13 (26:16):
Oh yeah, just wondering if you ever heard that from
Lisa's Pizza and if so, how was it.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Have a great day, Love you guys.
Speaker 11 (26:23):
Pays for everything.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Lisa's Family Pizzaia in Medford or Medford summer we.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Want to order tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Yeah, We're going to order it from them for tomorrow morning.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Oh yeah, load up, make it a cheat day. Justin here.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Let's go to Welllyissa. Good morning, and Lissa, go ahead,
give us a pizza.
Speaker 20 (26:39):
C Street Pizza in north Waymouth. It's fire. Whatever you
get from there, get it well done.
Speaker 13 (26:44):
I personally get the Chicken Nashville Bacon ranch with no sauce.
Speaker 20 (26:49):
Well done you have, that's right out, Especially if you're
on Quinsy.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You might as well just take the ride over the bridge.
Speaker 21 (26:55):
It's totally worth it.
Speaker 20 (26:56):
They have a pickle pizza there too.
Speaker 21 (26:58):
It's worth it.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
That's so close to me.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Chicken Nashville. Let's go to Carrie. Carrie, give us a pizza.
Speaker 20 (27:05):
Let's go Tony and Anne's and Drake at Massachusetts.
Speaker 18 (27:08):
Oh my god, those are my parents' names.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
I need to go to.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Parents.
Speaker 20 (27:14):
They're only open three days a week. What days, Friday,
Saturday and Sunday, I think, And they do you shipp
a pizza worldwide?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Wow?
Speaker 20 (27:23):
Like it's super thick dough, sweet sauce, smoked cheese. They
won't give out their family recipe. They've been there in
Chelmsford and drink it for many, many, many many years.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
And that means they're doing well. Three days a week.
Good for them, Tony. And and let's go to Bill. Hey, Bill,
what's your pizza you eating?
Speaker 12 (27:41):
My favorite pizza is Tsorro Kuchina in Beverly, Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Oh said that name again.
Speaker 12 (27:47):
It's Tsorrow Kuchina. It's in Beverly, Massachusetts on Bridge Street.
It's only a couple of years old, and it's traditional
Italian style in crust pizza.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Okay, Beverly's good food town too. Let's go to Christine
next Christie and give us a pizza.
Speaker 19 (28:02):
Hi.
Speaker 21 (28:03):
Well, I got to represent Quincy Winnie sixteen c and
Quincy them sheet pizzas.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, oh, I know on Hancocks Straight.
Speaker 18 (28:11):
No, it's across from the Foest. It's like it's it's
some random side street.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I know, I know where it is.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Yeah, yeah, what's called again?
Speaker 21 (28:18):
Sixteen chet pizzas. They're fig and Pastuto cheeseburger. They're they're
so good.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yeah, I've heard that a lot of people like the Figina.
I love Patuto on my pizza, but don't so.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I see you're writing these down, Bill, are you going
to maybe pitch these for your television show? I'm thinking
of Pizza Special? Right, yeah, right, there's so many places. Yeah,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 22 (28:40):
Good morning morning crew. Dave actually came to my hometown
in Marshfield and tried out a pizza place called the Marsh.
I can't remember the score, but it was a huge
story here and we're on a soft shore. So shout
out to Winnie for loving us as well. Have a
great day, you guys.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
So the Marshes where in Marshfields?
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Oh all right, yeah, you know what, while you're in
Marshfield you can check.
Speaker 22 (29:05):
Out Okay, talking about so Shore Bar pizza, I'd have
to say Poopsis in Marshfield.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Don't knock the name.
Speaker 23 (29:14):
No poop I've heard of it, I've never been all right,
everybody is a pizza lover when you think about it, right,
pizza is one of the best best creations ever.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's perfect, right, it's the perfect food.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
It's the best.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Well, that's going to wrap up the top five moments
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Good morning guys, Happy Saturday.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
It's pretty Sir Riley from Billy and Lisa in the Morning,
counting down the top five moments of the week with you.
Another wet Saturday, but hopefully listening to Kiss will cheer
you up. Let's jump right into number five. So the
Karen Reid trial has become a big topic of conversation
on the Billy and Lisa Show. We have Katherine Loftus
in every week to break it down.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
So let's do just that.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
Okay, we've got attorney Catherine Loftus in the studio. We
do this every Thursday morning, we talk about the Karen
Reid trial. And again, if you've got questions for the
attorney six one, seven, nine, three eight or.
Speaker 5 (00:36):
Justin, they can send tarkbacks too.
Speaker 6 (00:38):
Yeah, you can drop your question on the iHeartRadio app.
You just listen to us on Kiss one oaight, tap
that little microphone button.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
And good morning counsel, Good morning to you.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
I want to post a question right at the outset
if you don't mind, I know, lest write our own
questions and uh so we're coming up on a pivotal
moment because the defense is about ready to present its case,
right or did they start yesterday?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
They have not started yet.
Speaker 7 (01:00):
There the Kalm Walth is on the final witness, that's
doctor Judson Welch's examination.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
He's had a lot of time, yes, and he's probably
maybe tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (01:11):
Jen attorney Lessie said at the end of the day,
I don't know if you, if anybody caught it. At
the end of the day, when the judge asked how
much longer, he said, you know, I'm about halfway through.
And it sounds like based on what he said that
we might go into Friday.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And there it's only a half day today.
Speaker 8 (01:26):
It's only a half day today, right when there's a
juror that has an appointment, that's.
Speaker 7 (01:29):
Correct, and they try to accommodate if possible.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Okay, So here's my opening question. Chunselor uh so the
defense getting set.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
To present its case.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Do you think there's any possibility that they might be
sitting on something big? This is going to break this
case wide open.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I think that's unlikely.
Speaker 7 (01:51):
It's interesting to see we don't know what the defense
is going to present this time. There was a little
bit of an inkland some of the filings earlier this
week about they supplemented the defense supplemented their list, So
it is an indication that they might.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Not call Trooper Proctor.
Speaker 7 (02:05):
The question really now is do they present the case
really against sort of what the Komalth has presented. So
we're talking about different experts, you know, attacking sort of
the brick as we talk about that the commals trying
to build, or do they go with this alternate theory,
the third party theory and the planting.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
So that's that's one to be watched.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
And is anybody going to believe anything Procter says anyway
at this point?
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You know, I mean, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
From what we've heard from the jury the first time
is that they really took that he was not a
good person, that they were disgusted by the text, but
it didn't seem to really affect substantively how they viewed
the evidence. And it's it seems like he's likely not
to be called at all this time. So it's it's
a tactic, but it's almost more helpful for the defense
(02:53):
to be able to point the finger at sort of
this boogeyman of Michael Proctor and say, like look at
the Komalt didn't even call their lead investigator instead of
putting him on and potentially the komwalth rehabilitating him.
Speaker 8 (03:04):
Can we go back to this guy Welcher for a second, Judson, Yes, okay.
So how impactful was the paint exercise that they presented
to the jury with the transfer from the tail light
to the arm.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
I mean, it's it's helpful.
Speaker 7 (03:19):
I think the overall I don't know if that specific
piece in and of itself was you know, this smoking gun. Again,
anytime we have an expert who's looking at the facts
of the case and the evidence that they have it
and they're coming to an opinion, what the jury is
doing is looking at Okay, is this person reliable? Are
they credible in their field? Should we you know, what
(03:42):
weight should we give this? There's a lot of discussion
about you know that he wore similar to John o'keith's clothes.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
This paint on his arm.
Speaker 7 (03:49):
I mean, I think it shows the sort of general
idea of where he could have been hit. But again,
nobody can say for sure what exactly happened.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
But I thought the visualization of it was impact.
Speaker 7 (04:00):
It was because in one of the questions that was
asked towards the end, I believe by Attorney Brennan was
about whether the paint went on the underside of the arm,
and it didn't and it was only on the top.
So it's the first sort of visual representation that we've
had at all in the case about what the kom
wealth actually things happened.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
Now I'm no expert, but I'm looking at those cuts
on the arm.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
I don't think.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Those cuts can be caused by a bump from a car.
Speaker 7 (04:23):
Like there were lacerations, right, So what his testimony was
that they were basically lacerations from not just the bump,
but from the break, so that the if there was
a clipping or you know, bumping, that that caused the
break and then the break caused the lacerations in the
arms as mister O'Keeffe was sort of being pushed away.
Speaker 8 (04:44):
And I loved how they basically said that he can
say that, based on what he's viewed, that a car
similar to Karen Reid's Lexus could have done this, but
you can't say that Karen Reid did.
Speaker 7 (04:57):
This, right, because that's really conclusion of fact. So just
because he did say on the stand, you know this
is what happened. He can't say that, but he can
say it basically exactly what you said. Is close to
possible that a vehicle of the same make and model
as Karen Reid's could have caused these injuries.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
And I believe that they did cause these Do they.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Really pay this guy four hundred thousand dollars it.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Seems like it.
Speaker 7 (05:19):
I'm experts, This is an expert testimony is a big
business in civil and criminal litigation.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
But it's weird that you're paying almost a half million
dollars or somebody you want to say what you have
to have them say.
Speaker 7 (05:31):
Well, the interesting thing about experts is that, I mean,
that's ultimately what it is. And that's why I think
it's always important from the observer's perspective to remember that
they are one.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
They are paid.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
You know, he testified that he has previously testified for
both the defense for the state in different jurisdictions. But
you know, ultimately, the hope is that you give an expert,
you know, the discovery of the evidence, and they come
to their own conclusion. You know, there is a world
where you can the commual could have given him everything
and he didn't come up with that theory, you know,
(06:05):
or came up to a different conclusion than they would
have to provide that to defense. But just the same
as on the other side, they'll have experts that opine
as to their theory and they'll be paid by them.
So that's why sometimes experts in a way sort of
cancel each other out, because the jury looks at it
as like, well, they're all being paid to sort of
say what each side wants them to pay.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Well, speaking of the jury, Speaking of the jury, there
are a lot of little things that go on inside
the courtroom.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
This is a tiny room. It's much smaller than it
appears on TV.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yes it is.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
So you have the weird stenographer with the mask on
her face, right, and every so often the stenographer will
like roll her eyes or look up and react to something,
and sometimes the judge will like roll herries or something.
Is the jury faced it all by that one way
or another?
Speaker 7 (06:48):
I mean, they pay attention to everything in my from
my perspective, in not every single jury, but the juries
pay attention to the lawyers, They pay attention to the defendant,
the court, the starch kerry read the stenography. Yes, today
when attorney a Lessie said he would be long as
she literally took the thing off her and her head
went back and she said, oh my god, I.
Speaker 8 (07:09):
Can I ask you a question about that device that
she was How do you not get like a rash
around your mouth?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
I don't know, I just as a as a person.
I don't know old.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
I know, I've never tried a lot of a lot
of trials. Now we have what's called the for the
record system, so it's all digitally recorded. But in big
cases they like to have a stenographer as a backup.
But I mean, think about the fact that she has
to be listening to every single person.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
It's a difficult job.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And by the way, get a friend of mine is
a stenographer and she called me she doesn't use the thing.
There are some stenographers that don't loreen. You know who
I'm talking about. There's some that don't use them at
that's right.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Hey, guys, it's producer Riley from Billy and Lisa in
the Morning counting down the top five moments of the
week with you. We had Catherine Lofta's answer all of
our questions, so let's get to yours. It's number four.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
Let's get some talkbacks in justin Well, a lot of
questions on the amount of money the state is spending
on these experts. We talked about that with cat within
a couple of minutes ago.
Speaker 9 (08:01):
Okay, so why is it okay that the States spent
like four hundred and eighty thousand dollars you know, all
these experts, but the defense was crucified for spending you know,
under thirty on their expert is just because you know,
the judge knew upfront about this.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
So I don't think it's forty. The numbers seems to
be to be going up with us to think. But
this is the thing.
Speaker 7 (08:23):
The parties get to do whatever they want, and so
it is a lot of money for an expert. Expert
witness testimony is big business and civil and criminal litigation.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
They get paid a lot of money. These are engineers.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
The question ultimately becomes sort of the comparison between the
commwealth pain aperture and the issue about the Defense paying ACA.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
The question about that was who was paying OCCA.
Speaker 7 (08:48):
It wasn't actually about the money itself, because that was
relative to this allegation that there was not supposed to
be any communication between the Defense and OCCRA. And then
there was discovered there was a bill, So it's not
actually the dollar amount that that was in contention. It
was the fact that they paid them themselves instead of
the fact, and they.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Didn't present it.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
That's correct, so right, and so it wasn't turned over
to either the court or the prosecution because they were
supposed to be you know, they started off obviously as
independent witnesses. They were hired by the United States Attorney's
Office for the federal investigation. Subsequent to that, there was
obviously communication with the defense and so, you know, but
it's it's a lot of money. It's there's no doubt
(09:31):
that the amount paid to apertures is a lot of money.
But the come wealth gets to do present their case
in the way they want and spend their money that's
allocated to them the way they want.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
And speaking of money, part of our off air conversation
with about jurors who were there for weeks and weeks
and some of them aren't getting paid. Some are, but
some aren't, so they lose income for weeks and weeks.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
That so right, So, as we were talking about the
nobody will be sad on a jury if there's a
financial hotship. So if you're going to lose income, You're
not going to be able to pay your bills or
day care. Think like that. That's called the financial hardship.
And you won't be sad on the jury. So there's
a presumption that everybody who's on the jury is either
being paid or doesn't need to be paid, and everybody
(10:10):
kind of gets flushed out the other people who would
have problems, but before they get sad.
Speaker 10 (10:14):
Wow.
Speaker 11 (10:14):
My question for Attorney Loftus is has she ever seen
the Commonwealth spend as much money as they have trying
to nail Karen Reid. It's it's unbelievable how much money
it's costing us.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
A legitimate question.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Also, imagine if it's a hung jury.
Speaker 7 (10:34):
Again that's right, and hopefully if it's a hung jury,
then that's that'd be that's the end of it, you know,
that's the goal. Yes, I mean, like I said, experts
cost a lot of money. So if you have complicated cases,
it's not unheard of that you'll have witnesses. You know,
this is an engineer, an engineering firm. I mean they're
(10:55):
build out probably at hundreds and hundreds of dollars per hour,
and there was quite extensive work, so that adds up
pretty quickly. It is a lot of money, and I
think it's a fair concern. They believe that she's guilty
and seems like they were willing.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
To But it's taxpayer money, that's correct.
Speaker 7 (11:11):
So if you think about it, it is taxpayer money.
It is allocated, so it's not as if it's so
it's you know, the deff separate issue. But the budget
is set every year obviously in July by the legislator
and each you know, the Public Defender's office, the DA's
office is allocated a set amount of money and they
get to spend it anyway they want, whether it's on experts,
whether it's on new DA's.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Things like that. But yes, it is in fact taxpayer money.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Part of me thinks you can pay a certain amount
of money that can tilt the case one way or
another based on how much you're spending versus the evidence.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Well, ultimately that's what goes to the weight of what
the testimony is from the experts, and why I always
encourage people to remember that experts opinions are just that,
their opinions that you can take, as you know, in
addition to the evidence that you see presented. But just
like the com wealth pays their expert the defense always
pays their experts too, So you essentially have two sides
who are being paid to theorize something Differently.
Speaker 12 (12:04):
If Karen Reid has found not guilty at the end
of this retrial, what's next.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
Or justice for Jonads in terms of the Commonwealth, that
would be it. If she's found not guilty across the board,
that ends the case. They won't pursue anybody else, They
won't try anybody else.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
They believe that she's guilty.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
So I'm not guilty to the Commonwealth doesn't equal innocent.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
It just means that they didn't prove it. So likely
that would be the end of it. All the civil
cases then all the civil cases.
Speaker 7 (12:33):
So for miss Reid, there's obviously the pending civil case
filed on behalf of the estate of John O'Keefe, and
then there is likely to be somewhat civil suits from
maybe some of the peripheral.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
So she could never be outside of court, Like I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
She's probably gonna be in court for a long time.
Speaker 13 (12:48):
Yeah, good morning everyone. I have been watching the Karen
Reid case for the last trial. Now this trial, the
judge just absolute annoys crap out of me. But why
does she call a sidebar every time like a lessie
gets going or you know, wants to talk to them
about what they're talking about. I mean, does she not
know how they're going to do this? What's the point
(13:10):
of the sidebar to tell him he can't ask those
questions like that. I'm just it happens every time.
Speaker 7 (13:17):
Yes, So there were there were a couple of issues
of contention yesterday. One of them was the basis for
the vois deer at the end of the day in
which the defense wants to ask doctor Walter about troop
of Paul and what information that he had prior to
review in the case. That was an issue of contention,
as you saw when that line of questions started, Hank
(13:38):
brun right away, objection, objection of projection, They go to
sideby because we don't argue the law in front of
the jury. So anytime there's any substantive discussion that needs
to be had about what can come in whether you know,
we have to remember that everything still has to be
follow the rules of evidence. Has to be admissible, competent
evidence and relevant to the case.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Can't the jury still hear what they're saying.
Speaker 7 (13:58):
They can't actually this generally know they there's a there's
a what we call a shusher that goes on. So
it's it's like a like in the courtroom that the
clerk's office presses yes so that you.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Can't hear I've never heard this before.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yes.
Speaker 5 (14:16):
That an actual machine. It's like you can buy.
Speaker 7 (14:19):
So in the in the sort of recording system, the
clerk will press the So anytime there's a sidebar, because
they're supposed to be private conversations that.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
I always thought that.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
I was like, you're sitting right there and show us
something else besides the fan, Yeah, I mean you know around.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And it's a sushar button.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 14 (14:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (14:42):
So it's like it's like in the computer system, like
in the recording system, but it will physically, it'll come
out of the speakers in the Courtum, you'll everybody will
hear in everybody, all the attorneys and the judge, we
all know you talk kind of quietly, yeah at sidebar anyway,
and then you have the shush on it.
Speaker 15 (14:58):
So that button have like a piece of duct tape
that actually says I don't I don't know, I'm.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Run a clerk. I don't know who presses the button
the clerk.
Speaker 7 (15:09):
Yeah, so the people one of the individuals who are
sitting in front of judge.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Yeah, so they'll, yes, they'll they'll press itself.
Speaker 15 (15:15):
Did they test the sugar button like before they start
the day's proceedings?
Speaker 11 (15:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Check who knew this was gonna be?
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Hey, Billy, if you know anything about the Billy and
Lisa Show, it's that we love to watch TV shows
and movies, especially Billy Costa. It's producer Riley from Billy
and Lisa in the morning counting down the top five
moments of the week with you. And after the long weekend,
we had to come back and discuss all the things
that we had been watching. It's number three, Billy, Let's
(15:49):
get into it.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
So we started talking about things we're watching, things we
should be watching. I mean, I know, I just and look,
I know you're going to send a DM or something
that I'm late to the party with breaking down. Okay,
I admit it, but I finished all five seasons.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Over this weekend.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I'm impressed that you did that.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
I'm almost almost done with Handmaid's Tale. One more episode,
I think, and I'm done with that, So I don't know,
I'm open.
Speaker 5 (16:13):
What are you watching?
Speaker 16 (16:14):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:14):
So this is a new show. It's called Sirens.
Speaker 10 (16:16):
It just.
Speaker 8 (16:18):
Dropped on Netflix like a week ago. It starts Megan Fahey,
who was in The Perfect Couple who we love.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
She's actually from Massachusetts.
Speaker 8 (16:25):
Kevin Bacon Billy Oh plays the billionaire Julianne Moore.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
And it's so good.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
It's only five episodes, so it's so binge worthy. And
it basically looks like it takes place on Nantucka, but
they actually filmed it on Long Island. But it's about
two sisters that come to this island and work for
this billionaire couple and what happens.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
Don't you have a connection to one of the cameramen.
Speaker 8 (16:51):
Someone just DM me one of our listeners her brother
was like a lead camera guy on the series.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Oh yeah, Sirens. Okay, I'm on. Yeah so good.
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Yeah. Well, I mean I'd never heard of the show
until you posted it, but apparently it's everyone's loving this show.
Speaker 17 (17:06):
Good morning, Lisa. I watched Sirens too, and I thought
it was very much like White Lotus, but you nailed
it adding in the Perfect Couple. And also I just
wanted to say, how gorgeous Julianne Moore is and she's
sixty four and yeah, goals. And I certainly hope there's
the season two.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 8 (17:28):
It sets up for a season too, because it's a
shocking ending, like shocking ending.
Speaker 6 (17:33):
I might have to watch this is it? Is it
a guys? Can guys watch it?
Speaker 8 (17:37):
It's a dark comedy like it's you'll really like it. Okay,
it's really messed up. It's like the White Lotus meets
the perfect couple meets something else that I can't figure out.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
Well, I love White Lotus.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, we're going to start tonight, Sirens.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I'm watching Mobland one episode left. It's really good. Billy
you started it, but the you couldn't understand what they're saying.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Well, I was really impressed because I didn't appear It's
Brosenen was in it. Saw him in the opening scene
and I'm like, oh, is that Purece Brosnan and Helen
Mirren is in it?
Speaker 6 (18:05):
Yeah she is.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
And I've always loved Tom Hardy. But I can't understand
a word they're saying. And Michelle will not watch anything with.
Speaker 5 (18:11):
Some You've got to watch the subtitle the Morning Morning crew.
Speaker 10 (18:14):
I just wanted to tell Billy that you have to
put the closed captioning on for Mobland, and once you do,
it's a game changer. My husband and I stayed in
Binge watched it because I have a sick hall weekend.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Yeah, it's really good. I love Tom Hardy and he
plays obviously a mobster. He's like the Fix.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
He's amazing.
Speaker 6 (18:35):
Also, one thing I noticed about they use that word
the bat.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Yes, Michelle noticed that, the sea word.
Speaker 18 (18:44):
It's very it's very britt Is it a British, Yeah,
it's very British.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
That doesn't mean any of them.
Speaker 6 (18:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
So if the entire cast of Mobland knows that no
one's going to understand what they're saying, why don't they
open their mouths when they spark talk.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
That that's you know what, it's realistic. That's that's how
they talk.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
Okay, a.
Speaker 8 (19:02):
Shout out to a documentary that you may not know about.
It's called Octopus and it's on Amazon Prime and Tracy
Morgan is actually in it and it's narrated by Phoebe
waller Bridge, the actress.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Shout out. My friend watched it. She said, you have
to watch it.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Is it about an octopus.
Speaker 8 (19:21):
It's about a giant Pacific octopus named Doris. He survives
in the ocean.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Okay, Oh, you know what else I watched yesterday, The
one hundred foot Wave with the.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
Good Yeah, awesome.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Hey guys, welcome back to the Top five Moments of
the week. It's producer Riley from Billy and Lisa in
the morning, and we were discussing pizza because Dave Portnoy
was in the area. He was here in Massachusetts doing
his one bite pizza reviews.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
He's got a big list going.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
In fact, you've probably seen him on TikTok if you
recognize this sounds and we.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Figured we needed to join in. It's number two.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
All right, let's have some fun.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
So Dave port Noy was in town this week checking
out a few pizza places.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
He's got that thing he does online.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Called one Byite pizza reviews. He's done over a thousand
pizza places.
Speaker 5 (20:07):
Wow, So which ones did he hit here?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (20:10):
So he hit Least Pizza and Pub in Foxborough. He
gave it a seven point five out of ten, edge
Brook Saloon in Norfolk seven point nine out of ten,
and then Mike's and Mike and Lenni's Pizza in Walpole
and they have a second location in Braintree. They got
a seven point seven.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Yeah, that's sounded good. Mike and Lenny's.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
And this guy Mike and Lennie that he had been
reaching out to Dave for years, dm ing him please
come buy, please come buy, and.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
He cleanly, did you have a favorite of your own?
Speaker 8 (20:38):
I love sALS Pizza and I like Papa Gino's and
then on the Cape Crisp pizza, Oh yeah good, but yeah,
but sALS just I like a good crust and it's
just very sort of doe crunchy at the same time,
So get in big slices.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
I like meta.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
Chef Douglas has four locations of media and he's famous
pizza as well as Italian food. But he's in Newton,
he's in South End, He's in East Boston on the water.
Speaker 5 (21:07):
But yeah, mita I think is great.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
And I also get to give a shout out to
a Brewers Fork in Charlestown. They're famous for their pizza.
Justin you have one up there in New Hampshire.
Speaker 6 (21:16):
Yeah, there's a place called Grand Finale's in Salem, New Hampshire.
They have that garlic knotted crust pizza. It's really really good. Yeah,
it's a little bit far from my house, but I
mean I grew up right down the street in Maldon. Yeah,
and Pizza Pizza was three three houses down right up
the street. Yeah, my childhood home. So I grew up
on that pizza.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
When he does cheesecake Factory of Pizza, they have flatbread.
Speaker 18 (21:38):
But I'm a self Shore girly, so I have to
go bar pizza. You know bar pizzas where it's at
so Darcy's and Quincy Honey Mustard chicken pizza next level
or if you're also in Quincy, Liberty Tavern has it's
not bar pizza, but you know they used to.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
Fire the wood fire.
Speaker 18 (21:54):
Oh yeah, they have like a gold fever chicken pizza.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
Nice a bar pizza. Bardoz is really good. Yeah, justin
you got talkbacks on this.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Well, I want to mention that, you know, she mentioned
the South shore Portnites all over there. He went to
Braintree brew House.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, that's the same owner as the Mike and Lenny.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
So it's just called something different.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
I think it's they served maybe they serve the pizza
within them.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
Yeah, well you it gave strip club vibes.
Speaker 19 (22:20):
We are at Braintree Blue House and Braintree Bar Pie.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
We had to give a show. That's an interesting looking
bar pie looked. We looked at the pictures. They'll get
more cooked on it like that. Look at the difference
that slice to that slice.
Speaker 19 (22:32):
Anyhow, walked in strip club buttes, I mean it felt
like you walked into a strip club. We actually asked, like,
what was here before because we were waiting for like, oh,
Golden Banana or Foxy Lady.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
By the way, I've.
Speaker 19 (22:47):
Been debating the Foxy Lady like set me all merch.
It's kind of cool Celtics Loto Foxy Lady. I don't
know if I trust Peaches and I got like a
dog one felt wrong. Anyways, Treehouse Worry won by everyone
knows the rules. It's very different. Cheese there once two
see what we got self Shore bar.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Pie, brain Tree. You doesn't get more that, does it?
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Yeah, bar Pizza is getting more and more popular. Bar
Pizza self Shore.
Speaker 12 (23:12):
It's not it's only.
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Barnos is a soft Shore thing.
Speaker 6 (23:16):
But yeah, okay, I do like the I do like
bar pizza. I like the crust, the under under crust,
crust to be crispy.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I liked that a lot.
Speaker 14 (23:24):
Yeah, I heard you guys. We're looking for favorite pizza places.
I gotta say my favorite is Riverview Pizza in Ipswich, Massachusetts.
They got bar pizza. It's crispy, it's delicious. You haven't
had it, got to check it out.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Well, that's bar pizza, not on the south Shore.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Trust it.
Speaker 18 (23:43):
I don't trust.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
Well, that's a battle, you know that's going on between
north Shore south Shore pizza. That's an ongoing battle.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Well, you can't find much bar pizza outside of the.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
South Shore, it really is.
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Yeah, growing up, I can't remember ever eating bar pizza.
Speaker 18 (23:56):
Justin on your CHEATNT you could have literally seven pizzas.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
That's about it.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
It's very like ye're so smart.
Speaker 6 (24:02):
The one that the one that Portnoy was showing at
the brew House was tiny. That's like an appetizer for me.
Speaker 16 (24:08):
They're saying good morning, Happy Thursday. I just want to say,
hands down, best pizza place is Fossy's and lind mass
If you're into that sweet sauce, it is the best.
Speaker 6 (24:21):
I've eaten at Fossi's. I've had that pizza. Yeah, I
was in a I was in Well, I lived in
Lynn for a while and we used to order on
Friday nights from Fossi's very good pizza.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
But it's good that they're they're not calling in with
favorites that were the old time favorites. You know that
you always heard about nothing against them. They're still fabulous.
But it's great that we have a lot of new.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Pizza place, little local places and everybody's loving them.
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Ye yes, Santarpio, I mean, yeah, yeah, those are the classics.
Speaker 17 (24:48):
Favorite pizza definitely is Cape cod Pizza with extra crispy edges.
Speaker 12 (24:54):
Cape.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
Now, where's that Cape?
Speaker 18 (24:55):
It's like it's we're in Brockton, but there's like two
or three locations.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
It's one that Cape.
Speaker 5 (25:01):
It's bar Pizza's Bar Pizza, Bar Pizza.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
They do because I think they saw it at the
Milton market Place.
Speaker 6 (25:07):
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, let's go to Kelly and Framingham line one.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Hey Kelly, go ahead, give us a good one.
Speaker 20 (25:15):
Hey, Giannis and Framingham.
Speaker 21 (25:17):
That's pizza.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
Anywhere is your uncle's place.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Or no, no, I don't.
Speaker 20 (25:25):
Even I don't even live in Framing him anymore.
Speaker 5 (25:27):
But the drive okay, good one.
Speaker 20 (25:32):
And if you look at the v Bros Instagram always
there all right.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
When Frankie Frankie, you know, when he comes here to
visit during the holidays, they always go to Giohanny's Framingham Kids.
Yeah yeah, oh we.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Know, Framingham, Massachusetts.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
Yeah, we know.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Thank you, well, we did it.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Number one moment of the week hates producer Riley from
Billy and Lisa in the Morning. And you know us,
when we get started talking about food, we will just
keep going, and so will you, because we had a
ton of calls and talkbacks saying what your favorite pizza
places were, So let's just get into it.
Speaker 5 (26:04):
So we're into pizza.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Dave Portnoy was in town reviewing pizza places in Massachusetts.
We decided to ask everybody what their favorites were.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
And Lisa we left out an obvious number.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
One honorable mentioned Lisa's Pizza and Medford.
Speaker 13 (26:16):
Oh yeah, just wondering if you ever heard that from
Lisa's Pizza and if so, how was it.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Have a great day, Love you guys.
Speaker 11 (26:23):
Pays for everything.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
Lisa's Family Pizzaia in Medford or Medford summer we.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Want to order tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Yeah, We're going to order it from them for tomorrow morning.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Oh yeah, load up, make it a cheat day. Justin here.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
Let's go to Welllyissa. Good morning, and Lissa, go ahead,
give us a pizza.
Speaker 20 (26:39):
C Street Pizza in north Waymouth. It's fire. Whatever you
get from there, get it well done.
Speaker 13 (26:44):
I personally get the Chicken Nashville Bacon ranch with no sauce.
Speaker 20 (26:49):
Well done you have, that's right out, Especially if you're
on Quinsy.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
You might as well just take the ride over the bridge.
Speaker 21 (26:55):
It's totally worth it.
Speaker 20 (26:56):
They have a pickle pizza there too.
Speaker 21 (26:58):
It's worth it.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
That's so close to me.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Chicken Nashville. Let's go to Carrie. Carrie, give us a pizza.
Speaker 20 (27:05):
Let's go Tony and Anne's and Drake at Massachusetts.
Speaker 18 (27:08):
Oh my god, those are my parents' names.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
I need to go to.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Parents.
Speaker 20 (27:14):
They're only open three days a week. What days, Friday,
Saturday and Sunday, I think, And they do you shipp
a pizza worldwide?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
Wow?
Speaker 20 (27:23):
Like it's super thick dough, sweet sauce, smoked cheese. They
won't give out their family recipe. They've been there in
Chelmsford and drink it for many, many, many many years.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
And that means they're doing well. Three days a week.
Good for them, Tony. And and let's go to Bill. Hey, Bill,
what's your pizza you eating?
Speaker 12 (27:41):
My favorite pizza is Tsorro Kuchina in Beverly, Massachusetts.
Speaker 5 (27:44):
Oh said that name again.
Speaker 12 (27:47):
It's Tsorrow Kuchina. It's in Beverly, Massachusetts on Bridge Street.
It's only a couple of years old, and it's traditional
Italian style in crust pizza.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
Okay, Beverly's good food town too. Let's go to Christine
next Christie and give us a pizza.
Speaker 19 (28:02):
Hi.
Speaker 21 (28:03):
Well, I got to represent Quincy Winnie sixteen c and
Quincy them sheet pizzas.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, oh, I know on Hancocks Straight.
Speaker 18 (28:11):
No, it's across from the Foest. It's like it's it's
some random side street.
Speaker 2 (28:15):
I know, I know where it is.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Yeah, yeah, what's called again?
Speaker 21 (28:18):
Sixteen chet pizzas. They're fig and Pastuto cheeseburger. They're they're
so good.
Speaker 5 (28:26):
Yeah, I've heard that a lot of people like the Figina.
I love Patuto on my pizza, but don't so.
Speaker 6 (28:31):
I see you're writing these down, Bill, are you going
to maybe pitch these for your television show? I'm thinking
of Pizza Special? Right, yeah, right, there's so many places. Yeah,
I'm just saying.
Speaker 22 (28:40):
Good morning morning crew. Dave actually came to my hometown
in Marshfield and tried out a pizza place called the Marsh.
I can't remember the score, but it was a huge
story here and we're on a soft shore. So shout
out to Winnie for loving us as well. Have a
great day, you guys.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
So the Marshes where in Marshfields?
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Oh all right, yeah, you know what, while you're in
Marshfield you can check.
Speaker 22 (29:05):
Out Okay, talking about so Shore Bar pizza, I'd have
to say Poopsis in Marshfield.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
Don't knock the name.
Speaker 23 (29:14):
No poop I've heard of it, I've never been all right,
everybody is a pizza lover when you think about it, right,
pizza is one of the best best creations ever.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
It's perfect, right, it's the perfect food.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
It's the best.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
Well, that's going to wrap up the top five moments
of the week covidly. We can wrap up these rainy
weekends soon as well. Again, it's producer Riley from Billy
and Lisa in the Morning. Thanks for spending this hour
with me. We've got big things coming on Monday. Part
of the best summer ever. Driven by Jeep, so stay
tuned for that. This one is big, but stick around
here because the Kiss Top thirty Countdown with Billy and
Justin is coming up next brand new Tate McCrae ooh,
(29:52):
I'm excited for this one, and somebody new is in
the top spot, so keep listening and have a good one.
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