May 22, 2025 • 40 mins
The Billy & Lisa crew cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show including Lisa’s Book Club recap, the tush push staying, and Katherine Loftus updating on the Karen Read trial! Listen to Billy & Lisa weekdays from 6-10AM on Kiss 108!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now best morning show in Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
It's just a great start to my day on Kiss
one away.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Okay, good morning everybody, and a happy Thursday. It is
May twenty second, but more importantly, it is Nor'easter day.
Speaker 5 (00:17):
Getting nor East done.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, this is a big one.
Speaker 6 (00:20):
It's coming.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
They're saying between noon and eight o'clock tonight is really
the rough stuff. This is driving rains wind gus possibly
fifty miles an hour. It's it's going to cause some
problems for some people out there. And by the way,
if you were planning on leaving early for your Memorial
Day weekend, it'll affect that. And we could see some
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flooding and a ferry service has been canceled for the day.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So this is the real deal. Keep in mind last
year on this very day, it was eighty nine degrees.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes, it was wow.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
How about that heading into a beautiful weekend last year?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, and it was, wasn't it?
Speaker 6 (01:00):
It was sunny and warm and nice.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Not so much this year. Not this year. Is our
guy Jason Michael from WBZ going to join us this morning.
He is nine ten, nine ten.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
We'll get the full report. He was texting me last night,
do you want me again? I'm like, yeah, he was
so excited.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, I love him. He's got to come in someday.
I want to get to know Jason Michael a little more.
It seems like a very interesting and funny guy.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Well, I'm pretty sure he listens to the show on
the podcast because he works in the morning. Yeah, so
he's you know, he's a listener. We love him, he
loves us.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
And we're a team now because Lisa and I are
on WBZ News every morning, by the way, right before
seven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And so there's that and.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Lisa's book club last night was stupendous would be a
good word.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It was standing room only.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Missed you, Bill, but I know you were at Fenway
Park doing your TV show, so.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I ended up being the mush there too.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Sixteen strikeouts. Yeah, they went for the sweep and did
not get it.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
You know, at least you're consistent, Bill.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
They should have seen me coming as soon as they
saw me sitting in the dugout in the cold rain
the door.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Yeah, with the hard hitting questions.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
What did you have for breakfast so far?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Today?
Speaker 7 (02:07):
Banana?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
There's some eggs and Bacon. I had some really good
conversations with some very cool redstars.
Speaker 8 (02:13):
Well.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
I had a really good conversation with Gregory McGuire last night,
who created Wicked, and he is quite a storyteller, and
he gave us some real gems and he gave us
some breaking news.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
What a nice guy. I had a conversation with him,
really really nice guy, gentle guy.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yes, very much.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
So it was great.
Speaker 9 (02:33):
Hey everyone, it's book Club Courtney Lisa oxme event last night.
I meant to tell you where. I got to the
mall early to feed Emma and they have these couches
and a man sat next to me and he was
trying to make Emma laugh.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
He was really nice.
Speaker 9 (02:45):
I was like, he looks so familiar. Well, when I
was getting my book signed, I was like, oh my god,
I was sitting next to Gregory maguire and he was
just a shocked to see us again.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Have a great thing. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
He was carrying around this little bag last night, like
a tope bag, And at one point I said, can
I take that for you? I'll put it, I'll tuck
it behind your chair, and he's like, Nope, you can't
take my bag because my computer's in this and this
is right now, I'm writing my memoir. And I said, really, like,
is that something that people know? And I guess no,
(03:17):
So yeah, this is the real deal.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I invited him back when the memoir comes out.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
So he never left the bag. No, he would not
part with the bag.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
We tried.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Yeah, yeah, ninety two thousand words written.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
And he said that while he was waiting for the
book club to start, he sent some of it to
his publisher.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Now did anybody show up dressed up like his characters.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
Or anything or well, Gianna came with her green sparkly
boots on and she loves Wicked like she just loves it,
and she brought all of her books and posters and
he signed everything. He was, honestly the nicest man. Really
was so generous with his time and his stories.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
In the entertainment break in a little well a little
while at six forty this morning, we'll take you there
some of the highlights from Wicked and the book club
event last week last night. Right, yes, that's coming up
at six forty this morning.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Meantime, very quickly, Lisa, for some reason is looking at
a picture of I can't even Travis Kelcey and his
hairy back.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Now, this is something that I'm shocked about because he's
dating Taylor Swift and the fact that he's not manscaping.
I mean, this is like a lot of hair on
his wad.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, he's really let himself go.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
I mean this is this is next level hair and.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
He's got He's got the hair on his back where
it's not the full back. There's a little bit of
space at the top, which is weird, and some guys
have that. Yeah, he's to get the thing.
Speaker 10 (04:37):
That I have.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
I mean I LAIDs the hair removal now, but they
have an attachment that you can shave your back with.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Why are we assuming that they both don't like it?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Like, have you seen the picture.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I did see the picture. Maybe Taylor is into it.
Some girls like a hairy guy.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
I mean, I think hair on the front I definitely
a great.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's very patchy. I think it's almost like he spent
six months in the wilderness.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Yeah, I think a hair chess is awesome. I think
this is I don't know what this is.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
This is scaring.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's jumping right off the screen. Yeah, there's just so
much of it.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yeah, it's too much.
Speaker 8 (05:09):
Okay, Now from the Planet Fitness Kiss one Away Studios.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Boy, you're back with the Villy and Lisa in the
Morning Kiss and in a.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Couple of minutes we're going to take you inside Lisa's
incredible book club last night.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But let's start with a couple of talkbacks.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Justin Well, the Billy and Lisa Show heard worldwide on
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Billy just mentioned the book club a great event.
Speaker 10 (05:43):
Hey, it's Sarah from Mein and I had such a
wonderful time at Lisa's book club last night. Lisa, it
was so wonderful to meet you. You are just as
lovely in person as you are on the radio. Justin
my boy, holding it down. It was so great to
meet you too, and I'd so much fun gossiping with
you and some of the ladies that we met. I
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met so many wonderful people and oh my gosh, the
author was just so fantastic and hung.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
On his every word.
Speaker 10 (06:10):
Thanks for such a lovely event.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Yeah, we did, we all he was a great story
Tell her, Yeah, he was fantastic.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
We have a bunch of it standing by. But Sarah
was that. We were talking with Sarah about Jordan and
Belichick because her undercover. Remember to the pageant. She did
a great job, by the way. So now the new
goal is to try to get her into the wedding
if it happens, Sarah, how are we going to do that?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Just tell Sarah for me and to throw on a
cheerleading uniform.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
That'll get her in.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
The entertainment update with a Billy Constad.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
All right at Leasta's book club last night, another packed house,
standing room only at Joson Maine in Burlington.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
A lot of wicked fans.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Lease it was you know what it was, It was wicked.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Good give us a highlight.
Speaker 11 (06:54):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
So Gregory maguire had a lot of like amazing stories
to tell, a lot of breaking news. So we're going
to go into something that he's currently working on and
no one knew and then he told us.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
You know, it's funnyly so, because I have just finished
writing draft nine of a memoir. I never thought that
I would do a memoir. But then when Hollywood gets
a hold of you and puffs up your ego, you know,
just like a piece of popcorn, you float around up
there and you think, well, maybe everybody needs snowwhere I can.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Is this breaking news that you're writing a memoir.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
Yes, my editor doesn't know about it yet, so don't
tell it.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Yeah, he's amazing. And then I asked him about visiting
the set while they were shooting the movie with Ari
and Cynthia.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
I flew out to London and was there for close
to a week.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I'd like to say I.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
Hung out and you know, got drunk with Ari and
Cynthia and Johnny. You know, that's all a big lie,
But I did. I did meet them. I did watch
them at work. I watched them film. That was there
the week that they were filming the Ozdesk ballroom scene.
And that's the scene where Alphabet is publicly humiliated and
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Glinda finally accepts her responsibility for her part in the
humiliation and in the marginalization of Alphabet. And something, something
breaks and strengthens in Alphaba, and something breaks and strengthens
in Golinda as.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Well, Arianna talks about this is her dream role. She
always wanted to play this role, so I can believe
that this was truly like a moment for her.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
It's the central moment in the film.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I think it really is the central moment in the film.
And then I asked him about the impact that Cynthia
Ribo had on the role of Alphabet.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
That was in Greece a couple of weeks ago with
about thirty teachers, and three or four of them were
black teachers. A couple of men, couple women. We were
touring the sites and one day we were sitting having
a glass of wine at the end of the day
and one woman said to me, you know what I
(09:08):
am my girlfriends, you know the part of Wicked the
movie that really gets to us And I said, oh, no,
tell me, and she said, the thing that made all
of our hearts wobble. It isn't defying gravity, it's when
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Cynthia Arrivo sings, I'm not that girl. Because every one
of us black women know what that feels like, and
we have lived with that sentiment our whole lives. So
when you ask what does what did Cynthia bring to it?
And what does she communicate. Adina sang that song beautifully.
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Anybody I've ever heard play that part plays that moment beautifully.
But there's so thing even more heartbreaking when Cynthia does
it on the screen.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
To me, I totally agree.
Speaker 10 (10:06):
It was.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Every time I watched that scene and that movie, I
just I burst into tears.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
That was a powerful moment at the book club last year.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
It was right there.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
And then there's one more. He gave us breaking news
that Elfie, which is the book that's out right now,
which is the prequel to Wicked. Here we go. This
is this being broadcast, it is we're streaming live. I see,
well you can say it.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
He told me that. Well, yeah, I'd just say it.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
I have it on fairly high authority that Cynthia Revo
is doing the audio book.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You did not hear that from me.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
He was so generous with his time and his stories.
So to Gregor, no, Bill, you need to see the movie.
You will have an ugly cry. I'm telling you so,
I should.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Watch it alone. Otherwise they'll be embarrassed.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
I think I honestly think that your wife Michelle would
love it too, Like I honestly like watch it together.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay. Meantime, what's next for the book club?
Speaker 6 (11:13):
We will next week we will tell you what's next
for the book club. There'll be one in July. At
the end of July, we're just finalizing details, and then
we'll have two in September, one in two in October,
and one in November.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I've got a lot going on, not going on meantime.
Boston Calling Festival kicks off tomorrow on the Harvard Campus.
I drove by it last night and it's all set
up with the exception of the Ferris Wheel, so they're
probably waiting until after the winds pass.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, put up the ferrist wheel. But it's big doings.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
The lineup tomorrow night includes Louke, Colmbs, Cheryl Crow, T
Payne and a TLC and the Boston Pops. Fourth the
July lineup announced yesterday, lee Anne Rimes is coming to down.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
It makes me want to watch this movie for a
tenth time. Hyoti ugly that like, really I really like
the movie. Call me whatever you want to call me. Okay,
you know Well's going to be there on the Esplanade.
Bell biv Devo. What did July on the Esplanade?
Speaker 12 (12:12):
You have to do it?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Once in your life. If you've never done the Esplanade
on the fourth, you need to do it once in
a life.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
The year No, this is the year.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Yeah anniversary.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Leslie Odom Junior from Hamilton also going to be there.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Oh he's very talented, he is amazing.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Reports this morning say the Shakira concert in New Jersey
last week may have sparked a measles outbreak. Someone infected
with measles went to the show. Oh, keep in mind,
Shakira comes to Fenway Park May twenty ninth.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
That's like a week from now.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
I'm sure they're watching her staff and all of her dancers.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Well, they're saying people who were there in New Jersey
could be seeing signs as late as June sixth.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Yeah, the incubation periods really long.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I don't really know what measles is.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
You don't want it.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
You would know I got you in.
Speaker 13 (13:06):
Measles is a highly infectious and dangerous disease. One in
ten who contracts it will need hospital care, and it
can lead to complications such as pneumonia and brain damage, and,
in the worst cases, even death.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
If you really want to know measles, Fenway Park may
measles don't lie.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Have you got him?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
You got him?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Chris Brown is out of jail in London. He was
released on six point seven million dollars bail. That's a
lot of dough.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
He's charged with a hitting a guy in the face
with a tequila bottle at a nightclub.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I hope it was worth it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah. You never want to pick up a bottle and
strike someone with him? What are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And Kim Kardashian has her law degree. She had a
big party to celebrate yesterday. She dedicated eighteen hours a week,
forty eight weeks a year for six straight years to
get her a law degree.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So yeah, good for her. She deserves a party.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
What's the difference between a hooker and a lawyer?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
The hooker will stop screwing you after you're dead. Yeah,
good for her though.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Miley Cirus's new album comes out next Friday. She went
on with Zane Lowe yesterday, says her haraspy voice is
actually caused by a real medical issue.
Speaker 14 (14:30):
I had Reiki's edema. It's abuse of the vocal cords.
So my voice always sounded like this. So I have
this very large poll up on my vocal cord, which
has given me a lot of the tone and the
texture that has made me who I am. But I
do have this Reiki's edema, and I have this large
polep on my cords and I'm not willing to sever
(14:51):
it because the chance of waking up from a surgery
and not sounding like myself is a probability.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I think her voice the way it is has done
her fun.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
I think she sounds hot, you know, yeah, the raspiness, Yeah,
I'm digging it.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
The new season of Hard Knocks will feature the Buffalo Bills,
premiering August fifth. Would have featured Bill Belichick and the
unc football team, but we all know by now Jordan
got in the way of that.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Did hold on? Did anybody see her posts last night?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
You did, and you showed me.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Yeah, Old Bay with Old Bay. So she was at
old Was that Nantucket?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think she's on Nantucket?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, So she was having dinner with Bill on the water.
So the caption is old Bay b a y with
my Old Bay b a Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
The old Bay seasoning.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
For her having like a lobster boiler.
Speaker 15 (15:40):
Yeah, they're having seafood. And it was like she you
could really see Bill, you saw like his side of
his hand, and you just saw the old Bay seasoning.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Sure it was Old Bay with my old bed. Okay,
had she not gotten in the way of U n
C being featured on Hard Knocks, it would have been
the first college football team ever featured.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
That would have been a great, great documentary.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, Pacers.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
And the next Last Night game one, Pacers won it
and overtime, thanks Georg Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Three at the Buzzerli, don't.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
Take it, they'll back pedal a free for the.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
M I watched this game. I got oprom the book flow.
It was a classic. So it was a two though
his foot was on the line sentence overtime and they
beat the Knicks. They came back and beat them. And
by the way, Tyrese Haliburton when he hit that shot,
did the Regier choke. Reggie Miller used to do a
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spike lee.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
He said, if he knew it was only a two,
he wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, yeah, if he did that, and they lost in overtime,
and he ran right over to the next bench to
do it, it's like in your face, how's that?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Shallow may thunder?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And the Timberwolves game two tonight So I was out
at Fenway Park yesterday doing some interviews with the players
and apparently the mush on the property. You know, we
it was cold, it was rainy. I had some fun
meeting some of the new players. We had some interviews
we'll feature on Dining Playbook. But yeah, because I was
on the property, the Red Sox lost to the Mets.
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And by the way, really they struck out sixteen times.
That's when you know the mush has been there like
never before disaster strikes.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So yeah, sixteen strikeouts in the game.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
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Speaker 6 (17:51):
From the Planet Fitness Kiss one Away Studios, we're back
with A Villy and Lisa in the Morning on Kiss
and we.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Are teaming up with Live Nation and their thirty dollars
ticket campaign, which by the way, kicked off yesterday. We
are giving away two tickets to four of the biggest
shows this summer at Leasta.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
What shows are we talking about?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Halsey, Kasha Ajr, And Big Time Rush And they're all
at the Xfinity Center this summer.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, all we need is a caller twenty five. It
could be you caller twenty five six, one seven, nine,
three one one one o eight. You will need the keyword,
and the keyword is tush.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I'm the one who pushes the.
Speaker 12 (18:32):
Been a Blase Tushy like push.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Push today he was like kissing her and grabbing her tush.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
And there's a reason for torsch being the keyword. The
NFL owners yesterday finally voted that the toush push can stay.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
All right. Somebody wanted to ban it. They didn't like it.
The Eagles were the best at it. But yeah, that
was a big ruling in the NFL yesterday. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Jason Kelsey, who's retired, was there fighting for it.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, yeah, why not. They kind of mastered it. Tosha
is the keyword. While we wait for college twenty five.
Justin a couple of talk back.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yeah, what an amazing event last night, Billy Winnie, I'm
sorry you guys, couldn't make it, but it was great.
It was great seeing everybody. Gregory maguire was awesome. Lisa
crushed the interview. I feel like everyone had a good time, right, Lise, Oh.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
My god, it was a next level. They said it
was the best book club ever.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I thought so.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Hi, guys, it's Angela the Scientist.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I was at Lisa's Amazing book Club last night with
my thirteen year old daughter and we had an incredible
time and we ended up winning the Halsey tickets from
donating to raising a reader, and we are so excited
and we can't wait and we just want to say
thank you five thousand, love you all.
Speaker 14 (19:45):
Thanks.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Yeah, they were screaming. They literally were screaming, yeah that
they won.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, it was so cute. And by the way, right
after eight o'clock this morning, we'll give you some of
the highlights, some of the interview from last night with
the Lisa's Book Club.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
You don't want to miss. It was truly like great stories, yeah,
and breaking news.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And Lisa mentioned it earlier. So I had to walk
Gregory to the stage, so I like a bodyguard. Yeah,
well wow, always producing over here. Yeah, So I got
him and he gathered. He was wearing a red like
velvet hat and a green velvet scarf. So I walked
him over to Lisa, and Lisa as she mentioned, he
had a bag with him. So lisays, oh, Greg, I'll
(20:22):
take that bag or Justin will take it. Oh no, no, no,
it stays with me. This is my new book ninety
two thousand words. And he did not leave his side,
and it was his memoir.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, you think he sleeps with it?
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Well right now, I mean he's working on it.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Brownparty are not how valuable that is?
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Oh, yeah, he wasn't parting with it.
Speaker 11 (20:40):
Good morning everyone, it's book club. Marsha just wanted to
say thanks again Lisa for a great night last night.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What a wonderful event.
Speaker 11 (20:48):
Gregory Maguire was amazing, What a wonderful storyteller. And he
was just amazing, sharing so many great stories with us,
and he was so approachable. My sister in law had
a great conversation with him after and I think her
writer's block is cured now. It's great to see everyone,
and thanks again, looking forward to the next one.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Yeah, he created this, I mean this is story. He
just came out of his head. And I mentioned last night,
one point seven billion dollars is tied to the Wicked franchise.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Wow. I hope he's geting a percentage of that.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Well.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Yeah, he has a house and friends, and he has kids, right,
he has three children, adopted children. We talked about his
kids during the interview and his love for them and
how they keep him so grounded.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
You can watch the whole video. It is up on
the Kiss one to Wait Facebook page. All right, and
again we'll have highlights at eight ten this morning. Meantime,
we've got Laura on the phone. She's calling in from
beautiful Duxbury. What a beautiful town, Duxbury.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Laura, it really is.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
I'm very lucky to live there.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah. You may have a little problem with the wind
this afternoon along the coastline there.
Speaker 10 (21:57):
I know.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I think we're all going to have a problem with that.
At least it's not so Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
And the good news is you are called twenty five.
But you have the keyword. It's a very critical keyword
this morning.
Speaker 16 (22:09):
The keyword is tush of course it is.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Yes, yeah, nice tushy.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
I'm a sixth grade teacher. My kids are going to.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Love that one.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Oh yeah, you always want to watch out for the tush. Yeah, yeah,
take care of the torch. Okay.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
So Laurie, you got to hang on, okay and produce
some Riley. It's going to give you all your instructions.
You've got tickets to four great shows. Imagine that.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Amazing. My teenage dot is going to lose their minds.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, the summer is all set socially.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Billy A Lisa every morning Kiss one wait.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Okay, so it's Thursday morning and the Thursday tradition at
least while the Karen Reid trial is going on, as
we have our own announced lawyer, Catherine loftus and to
answer our questions as well as yours. If you're listening
and everybody's into the Karen Reid trial, you may want
to start calling now six one seven, nine, one one eight.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You can certainly send your talkbacks to Justin. How do
they do that?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Justin have to do it on the iHeartRadio app, which
is free to download. You are listening to us on Kiss.
When I wait you have a question for Catherine, just
tap that microphone.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
That'st and good morning Catherine, Good morning everyone. What was
all the drama with the jury yesterday, so we didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Know on the front end what it seems to be.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
So for anybody who wasn't watching, when the judge came in,
she informed the jurors that she was going to have
to inquire of each of them individually, and nobody knew
what that meant.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Everybody else got sent out of the room. The media,
you know, uh, all the observers, no drors were kicked off.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
She did talk to all of them, and seats were moved,
So it sounds like maybe there were people who from
my perspective, again, this is speculation because we don't have
the information from the court that either people weren't getting
along who were sitting near each other, or maybe they
were people who were you know, in third grade, you
sit next to your friend and then she just says,
we have to break you two up. So seats were
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moved and the trial results.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Maybe they were commenting back and forth during the trial during.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
The test kind of haven't chattiness, so they're not supposed
to be talking at all, not supposed to be making
any observations or you know, sort of matter.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
But she did say to them when everything was called
back in, she did say a reminder you're not supposed
to talk about this trial?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Did they really expect people to not talk about it? Well,
I mean, who's kidding?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Who really they? You know, they're not They're not supposed.
So it's it's a difficult.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
It's one of these things that's human nature that you know,
that we hope that everybody will follow the rules of
the system and that you're not supposed to talk with
anybody elseid about it. You're not supposed to discuss it,
look at any anything online. It's difficult, especially in the
world we live in today. A lot of these rules
were made for you know, a pre internet, pre social
media world. You know, I always find it had to
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believe that when people go home, they're not talking, you know,
to their spouse or whoever.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
They might have one confidant you know about it.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
But they probably are. The other surprising thing was that
she suspended deliberations until Tuesday because they're head of schedule.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
That's right, So we yesterday we saw the neurosurgeon, doctor Wolfe,
and then finished with Christina Hanley from the State place.
Tomorrow was supposed to be a half a day and
then Friday was off. So I think given that, you know,
it was only going to be a couple of hours
in the morning. Anyway, tomorrow they figured give them the
long weekend for Memorial Day.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Come back Tuesday.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
It seems like the Commonwealth only has one witness left,
that's doctor Judson Walcher of Aperture, and I expect he'll
probably be on the stand for maybe at least one
or two days because he's sort of the substance of
the Commonweal's case and there'll be a lot of cross
examination of him.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But looks like the Cammo's gonna wrap up next week.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Call me crazy, isn't it Okay? If the trial is
ahead of schedule, it's a good thing.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Ahead of schedule, So we still have Obviously the kom
Wealth presents the case. Once they rest, the defense is
able to present their entire case in chief. Last time
it was very short. It was only a few days.
It sounds like it might be a little bit longer
this time. And then the kom Wealth, if they so choose,
has a chance to put on a rebuttal case to
the this case. So we still could be looking at
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a couple more weeks.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So we wrapped up another week. Did anything significant happen?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think there was a lot this week. There was
a lot this week.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
We had.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Probably the biggest witness was Shannon Burgess that has sort
of been very divisive on both sides. He's the individual
who is the data forensic analyst from apacher who was
scheduled to testify before doctor Walter, and he was testifying
as to what the Commonwealth believes is the timeline.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So this intersection of the different data.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
Obviously we saw on cross examination from Attorney Alessi, you know,
many hours talking about his credentials. Where did he have
a bachelor's, does he not have a bachelor's? Where did
he put that on? What CV did he put it?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Is on LinkedIn? So that was sort of the main,
you know, topic of this week.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I'd say, so was the defense contending if he's lying
about having degrees, how can you believe anything he says
on the stand. Is that what's going on? Pretty much?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Yeah, And that's what, you know, the benefit that lots
of things can be true at the same time. One
number one, you don't need a degree in every field
to be an expert. You know, certainly if you're a
if you're testifying as a it's something medical, you have
to be a doctor or legal things like that. But
in his field, do you need a bachelor's. No, But
you can't say you have a bachelor's if you don't write.
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And so what the defense was trying to argue, and
I think was fairly successful in it, is that, hey,
if you're presenting yourself as one thing and that's not
being one hundred percent honest, can we rely on the
substance of your testimony?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Now, not to just quickly, not to be petty, but
the gentleman who was lying about the degrees have the
weirdest hair I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It was like, what was going on there?
Speaker 8 (27:41):
It's like it feels like that that age where it's
in the middle where it's like you haven't quite committed
to you know, just shamed it all lot. Yeah, you know,
but I don't know. I mean, I have a lot
of hair, so I can sympathize with not wanting to
let it go.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
But I knew what Billy saying.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
It was distracting a little patch on the front and
then it was totally bald, and then hair and the back.
It was kind of going on.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Yeah, how impactful do you think the neurosurgeon was yesterday?
With the falling back and saying that he got that
from you know, really hitting his head. I mean I
thought that I thought it was impactful.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I thought it was impactful as well.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
And again with almost all of the testimony that comes
in the sort of online percepsion is very split dependent
on really what side of the eye you're on. But
I do think obviously that doesn't show that John was
hit by a car and cause that. But I think
what it does show is that the injuries that we
see that have been largely attributed by the defense, you know,
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to potentially a fight. You know what appears to be
black eyes, the raccoon ees. He explained that, you know
the type of injury how when you would fall back,
you know, the gravity takes you that you don't stop yourself.
The way that your brain essentially shakes inside your head,
it causes the fluid around your eyes to cause these
raccoon eyes. So I do think it was impactful in
terms of how the head injury actually happened. Does it
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show that he was hit by a vehicle to cause
him to call cause fall backwards, No, it doesn't. But
it's again remember we'll talk about little pieces in the puzzle,
So he was not calls for that purpose.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
It was just about the brainer.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I didn't know what's strange. So here we are, how
many years into this thing?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Three years?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Three years, we're into the second trial.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Prosecution's close to wrapping up its case, and all anybody
wants to know. I get asked on the street all
the time, sony, you think she's going to prison? That's
all anybody wants to know right now?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Is she or isn't she?
Speaker 8 (29:30):
Well, if she's convicted, she yes, well, yeah, if she's convicted,
she is. I mean, you know, I think the it's
difficult to know.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You don't know.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
What we hear from the people, the observers in the
court is that the jury is actually very attentive, that
they're paying attention, that they're taking notes.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So, you know, it all depends on what the jury thinks.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Is a lawyer, are you swayed one way or another
or you'd rather not offer.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
I think I think the com wald has I think
there's a world whish she can be convicted of the manslaughter.
I think one of the most likely outcomes is another mistrial.
To be honest, I think a not guilty across the
board is probably unlikely.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
If there's another mistrial, will they retry.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
Well, theoretically they can. The kalmult always has the ability
to keep going. I don't think that they would.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
After to Billy, there's no bombshell here. They're together certain
things and there's going to be someone on that jury
that's just not going to believe it. Now it's topic
time for the Billy and Lisa in the Morning.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Oh okay, we want to start with the phones talkbacks.
We'll go to the phones first, and we've got Catherine
Loftus here. We're talking about the read trial and we're
into our second trial. We're three years into this ordeal
and everybody is still obsessed with the Karen Reid trial.
And we're going to start in Averil and you, Margo,
do you have a question for Catherine?
Speaker 16 (30:50):
I sure do.
Speaker 17 (30:51):
Good morning, Morning Team, Good morning, Attorney Loft to the morning,
A long time, long time listener.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
First time caller, or good.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 17 (31:02):
I was watching a video yesterday that almost made me
lose sleep last night. And I don't know if anybody's
been talking about this, but during the defense's cross examination,
I believe that tech guy that said he we had
a bachelor's degree, but really didn't. I'm not sure who
he was.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
The gentleman their yeah, yeah.
Speaker 16 (31:23):
Wicked bad hair.
Speaker 17 (31:28):
You look over at Judge Bev and at one point,
when the defense is looking at the entry with the witness,
she's rubbing her right side of her cheek and looking
at the prosecution. And as she's doing that, immediately after
the prosecution yells objection, and Judge Bev has the biggest
smile on her face.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yes, the details, yes, No.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
That's been circling on the internet and I've been asked
a number of times what I think about I mean, listen,
do I ultimately do I know what that means? Do
I think that Attorney Brennan needs the judge to signal
him to object now he knows when to object and
what to do. I think that the judge and the
prosecution are in cahots. I don't can I you know,
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I know you do?
Speaker 10 (32:15):
You know?
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Personally no, I don't see it, but I understand that people,
you know, outside observers looking at it from on its
face it looks like, hey, that's weird, what's that? But ultimately,
do I think they're you know, I mean, do I
think they're colluding together to you know, against the offense.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
I would hope not.
Speaker 15 (32:34):
She just looked really like the smile was weird. Not
I understand, like it looks bad with the rubbing. But
you said he's not a new attorney, he doesn't need help.
But her smile, ye was really crazy, Like why so happy?
Speaker 8 (32:48):
She might be like I feel like she might be,
you know, going to a little delusional like the rest
of us are were watching the same thing.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Over and over it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay, go get him make a good point.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
We're all just regular people here, right, Judge bath Right, right, Judge.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Bad Yeah, let's go to Jamie right here in the
beautiful city of Medford, Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Good morning, Jamie. Question or comment for Catherine Loftus.
Speaker 16 (33:10):
Yeah. My question is there's a ton of stuff on
the internet about anti BEV being biased, and do you
see any truth to that and that she shouldn't be
trying this case and do things that affects the jury
with some of her reactions.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
You know, I don't and I listen.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
I understand that this has been a topic of conversation
since the last trial.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
There was a motion to recuse her early on.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
I think it was in the summer of twenty twenty
three with some allegations that seem to be unfounded. You know,
I think that in this case that the sort of
outside speculation, internet observations have sort of taken a toll
of its own and really on a life of its own.
And do I mean, ultimately, do I think that she
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is biased against the defense?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Do I think that she certainly is frustrated in some ways,
and that visibly shows, Yes, I do. I mean, I
think that's apparent that she has been a little bit
short with the defense at times. The objections are largely
within the legal bounds. She's been appealed to multiple times,
all the way up to the United States Supreme Court.
Her ruins have been upheld. So, you know, whether we
like it or not, the objections are largely sounded in
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the law.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
But that's what's really cool about the Internet and social
media is that all of these people are basically an
expanded jury that, yes, they're sitting in on the trial.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
Yes, yes, I know, because the outside has so much
more information than the jury actually does. The jury only
has the evidence that can come in, you know, through
relevant admissible testimony documentation. So there the jury is actually
looking at the case, I think in a very very
different way than the general public is.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You don't think they go home and check out the
opinions online.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Yesterday?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, you know, I mean I do think.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
Listen, we're all citizens, right, most of us are the
citizens of this United States, where we're founded on. It's
a democracy. We have a constitution that protects individual liberties,
and we have rules, and we hope that when you're
on a jury and you take an oath to swear
it and abide by these rules, we hope that the
jurors do that.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Can you as well?
Speaker 8 (35:16):
You know, we're lucky that we have this system. It's
not perfect, but it's better than most in the world.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Justin mister Costa, ask it differently.
Speaker 18 (35:26):
I am serving on a grand jury right now, and
we had a similar thing happen where a juror was
pulled out, spoken to privately, ultimately dismissed. So I wanted
to ask Catherine if this is something that happens frequently.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Wow, it happens.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
It's I wouldn't say it's frequent, but it's certainly not
unheard of. Again, jurors are We're all just people, right,
So you put, especially in a grand jury, you have
twenty three members who sit for you know, for three
or four months. On a jury, we have seventeen here
people sitting together every day. They're at lunch every day.
There's different kinds of personalities, you know, how it goes.
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We don't all get along. So, you know, sometimes there's
one person that kind of rubs everybody else the wrong way,
and maybe it's better if you take that person out
of the situation.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So does it happen all the time? No, But is
it completely unusual?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
No, Well, it's most likely most of the jurors have
already made up their mind, right, unless I mean that's
barring a bombshell of some sort.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
No, I mean, I I.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
Don't know some maybe some, But I do think that
most jurors really do pay attention to all of the
evidence and think about the fact that they deliberated last
time for five days, So that actually shows that they
didn't make up their mind right away. Right, If you
make up your mind, then you have a really quick verdict.
The fact that they thought about it for five days
last time shows that there was a lot of information
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from both the defense and the prosecution that they sort
of had to sell.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
All you need is one hole out right either way.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Either way, you need unanimous that you need twelve either way.
Speaker 11 (36:58):
My question for Catherine, so the day that Karen was sick,
and it was definitely Karen, but.
Speaker 17 (37:04):
You know they said something happened due to unforeseen circumstances.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Aren't they allowed to go on without her?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
That was my understanding, but.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
I could be wrong.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
So you always want the defendant to be present. She
has a right to, you know that watch the trial,
to be present and listen.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
This happens.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
It's not you know, if somebody was if there was
a falsehood being you know, presented to the court, or
if there was something else, they might say, okay, you
could zoom in or you can appear. Sometimes they take
defendants and they put them what we call behind the
dock if they're causing disruption. But generally you want the
defendant to be in the room when the trial is
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proceeding like that. That is the best course. And you know,
people do get sick. This happens all the time. Earlier
in the pretrialittigation, Attorney Brennan, they took a day off
because he wasn't feeling well, and you know, it's life.
So if you have a day or two that something
comes up, it would be the same thing with a
juror if they couldn't make it in for some reason,
you know.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I think actually everyone's been doing really well, especially even
last year too.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I mean, and it's it's a long time.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
I mean, it's a long time for all for nothing
to come up right, and everyone's stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I can't believe how long these people have gone to court,
Like every day they sit in the same seat, and
it's amazing to me.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
The process.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it takes a lot, it's
it's a huge toll on people. Not only you know,
you have to have to physically sit in the courtroom
to listen to all this. You take a year away
from your family, friends, you work, so it's a.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
It's a huge well, even the people in the courtroom
who are going, or witnesses standing by, or family members.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Who were there every day for the Okay family and
for Catherine Loftus.
Speaker 12 (38:44):
How much weight do you imagine the jury will give
the microscopic pieces of tailate in John o'keith's shirt, And
the second part of that is how can they be
dismissed by people who believe that she is being framed.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
That's a difficul So this is you know, when I
talk about the physical evidence, a lot of it is
difficult to refute. So really the only if you look
at the physical evidence the taillite pieces on the scene,
that the microscopic pieces that Christina Hanley testified to yesterday.
So basically she said, under a microscope you could see
the small, you know, tiny microscopic fragments of red plastic pieces.
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It is difficult to explain for the defense because the
only way you really can is by saying that the
evidence both of the scene is planted as well as
what's in his sweater. Whether they'll be able to present
a theory that's reasonable to a jury, I don't know,
but I think that you know, again, the jury is
not paying attention to any of the outside you know, speculation,
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what we know, so they're just looking at what's in
front of them, and I do think that's a fairly
powerful piece of evidence for the Commonwealth.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Good morning, everyone, is Lucy.
Speaker 11 (39:53):
I would like to ask Catherine Loftus what's the difference
between a mistrial, because like.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
He had come to a eplosion or a or a
an agreement, and a hung jury thank you, thank you,
So it's essentially the same thing.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
So a hung jury basically means that the jury itself
is in part of them thinks she's guilty, part of
them thinks she's not guilty. The miss trial is is
the legal term about what is actually declared. So when
we say the jury is hung, we mean that they
can't come to a decision, and because they are hung,
then a miss trial is declared. So they're they're really
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the same thing, but technically one is the legal term,
which is miss trial.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Have you come to a decision?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I know you have, Billy, mister Costa
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Okay, good morning everybody, and a happy Thursday. It is
May twenty second, but more importantly, it is Nor'easter day.
Speaker 5 (00:17):
Getting nor East done.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, this is a big one.
Speaker 6 (00:20):
It's coming.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
They're saying between noon and eight o'clock tonight is really
the rough stuff. This is driving rains wind gus possibly
fifty miles an hour. It's it's going to cause some
problems for some people out there. And by the way,
if you were planning on leaving early for your Memorial
Day weekend, it'll affect that. And we could see some
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flooding and a ferry service has been canceled for the day.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
So this is the real deal. Keep in mind last
year on this very day, it was eighty nine degrees.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Yes, it was wow.
Speaker 6 (00:54):
How about that heading into a beautiful weekend last year?
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah, and it was, wasn't it?
Speaker 6 (01:00):
It was sunny and warm and nice.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Not so much this year. Not this year. Is our
guy Jason Michael from WBZ going to join us this morning.
He is nine ten, nine ten.
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We'll get the full report. He was texting me last night,
do you want me again? I'm like, yeah, he was
so excited.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yeah, I love him. He's got to come in someday.
I want to get to know Jason Michael a little more.
It seems like a very interesting and funny guy.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
Well, I'm pretty sure he listens to the show on
the podcast because he works in the morning. Yeah, so
he's you know, he's a listener. We love him, he
loves us.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
And we're a team now because Lisa and I are
on WBZ News every morning, by the way, right before
seven o'clock.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
And so there's that and.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Lisa's book club last night was stupendous would be a
good word.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
It was standing room only.
Speaker 6 (01:45):
Missed you, Bill, but I know you were at Fenway
Park doing your TV show, so.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I ended up being the mush there too.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Sixteen strikeouts. Yeah, they went for the sweep and did
not get it.
Speaker 6 (01:55):
You know, at least you're consistent, Bill.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
They should have seen me coming as soon as they
saw me sitting in the dugout in the cold rain
the door.
Speaker 5 (02:04):
Yeah, with the hard hitting questions.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
What did you have for breakfast so far?
Speaker 5 (02:07):
Today?
Speaker 7 (02:07):
Banana?
Speaker 1 (02:09):
There's some eggs and Bacon. I had some really good
conversations with some very cool redstars.
Speaker 8 (02:13):
Well.
Speaker 6 (02:14):
I had a really good conversation with Gregory McGuire last night,
who created Wicked, and he is quite a storyteller, and
he gave us some real gems and he gave us
some breaking news.
Speaker 5 (02:25):
What a nice guy. I had a conversation with him,
really really nice guy, gentle guy.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Yes, very much.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
So it was great.
Speaker 9 (02:33):
Hey everyone, it's book Club Courtney Lisa oxme event last night.
I meant to tell you where. I got to the
mall early to feed Emma and they have these couches
and a man sat next to me and he was
trying to make Emma laugh.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
He was really nice.
Speaker 9 (02:45):
I was like, he looks so familiar. Well, when I
was getting my book signed, I was like, oh my god,
I was sitting next to Gregory maguire and he was
just a shocked to see us again.
Speaker 7 (02:55):
Have a great thing. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:57):
He was carrying around this little bag last night, like
a tope bag, And at one point I said, can
I take that for you? I'll put it, I'll tuck
it behind your chair, and he's like, Nope, you can't
take my bag because my computer's in this and this
is right now, I'm writing my memoir. And I said, really, like,
is that something that people know? And I guess no,
(03:17):
So yeah, this is the real deal.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (03:20):
I invited him back when the memoir comes out.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
So he never left the bag. No, he would not
part with the bag.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
We tried.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Yeah, yeah, ninety two thousand words written.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
And he said that while he was waiting for the
book club to start, he sent some of it to
his publisher.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Now did anybody show up dressed up like his characters.
Speaker 6 (03:36):
Or anything or well, Gianna came with her green sparkly
boots on and she loves Wicked like she just loves it,
and she brought all of her books and posters and
he signed everything. He was, honestly the nicest man. Really
was so generous with his time and his stories.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
In the entertainment break in a little well a little
while at six forty this morning, we'll take you there
some of the highlights from Wicked and the book club
event last week last night. Right, yes, that's coming up
at six forty this morning.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Meantime, very quickly, Lisa, for some reason is looking at
a picture of I can't even Travis Kelcey and his
hairy back.
Speaker 6 (04:15):
Now, this is something that I'm shocked about because he's
dating Taylor Swift and the fact that he's not manscaping.
I mean, this is like a lot of hair on
his wad.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, he's really let himself go.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
I mean this is this is next level hair and.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
He's got He's got the hair on his back where
it's not the full back. There's a little bit of
space at the top, which is weird, and some guys
have that. Yeah, he's to get the thing.
Speaker 10 (04:37):
That I have.
Speaker 5 (04:37):
I mean I LAIDs the hair removal now, but they
have an attachment that you can shave your back with.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Why are we assuming that they both don't like it?
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Like, have you seen the picture.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
I did see the picture. Maybe Taylor is into it.
Some girls like a hairy guy.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
I mean, I think hair on the front I definitely
a great.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
It's very patchy. I think it's almost like he spent
six months in the wilderness.
Speaker 6 (04:59):
Yeah, I think a hair chess is awesome. I think
this is I don't know what this is.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
This is scaring.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's jumping right off the screen. Yeah, there's just so
much of it.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yeah, it's too much.
Speaker 8 (05:09):
Okay, Now from the Planet Fitness Kiss one Away Studios.
Speaker 6 (05:14):
Boy, you're back with the Villy and Lisa in the
Morning Kiss and in a.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Couple of minutes we're going to take you inside Lisa's
incredible book club last night.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
But let's start with a couple of talkbacks.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Justin Well, the Billy and Lisa Show heard worldwide on
the iHeartRadio app, which you can download for free search
us Kiss. Want to wait. That's how you leave a
talk back when you're listening. If you want to chime
in on the show, say anything you want, just press
the microphone button and you'll get thirty seconds to check in.
Billy just mentioned the book club a great event.
Speaker 10 (05:43):
Hey, it's Sarah from Mein and I had such a
wonderful time at Lisa's book club last night. Lisa, it
was so wonderful to meet you. You are just as
lovely in person as you are on the radio. Justin
my boy, holding it down. It was so great to
meet you too, and I'd so much fun gossiping with
you and some of the ladies that we met. I
(06:03):
met so many wonderful people and oh my gosh, the
author was just so fantastic and hung.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
On his every word.
Speaker 10 (06:10):
Thanks for such a lovely event.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
Yeah, we did, we all he was a great story
Tell her, Yeah, he was fantastic.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
We have a bunch of it standing by. But Sarah
was that. We were talking with Sarah about Jordan and
Belichick because her undercover. Remember to the pageant. She did
a great job, by the way. So now the new
goal is to try to get her into the wedding
if it happens, Sarah, how are we going to do that?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Just tell Sarah for me and to throw on a
cheerleading uniform.
Speaker 7 (06:35):
That'll get her in.
Speaker 6 (06:37):
Now.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
The entertainment update with a Billy Constad.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
All right at Leasta's book club last night, another packed house,
standing room only at Joson Maine in Burlington.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
A lot of wicked fans.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Lease it was you know what it was, It was wicked.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Good give us a highlight.
Speaker 11 (06:54):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
So Gregory maguire had a lot of like amazing stories
to tell, a lot of breaking news. So we're going
to go into something that he's currently working on and
no one knew and then he told us.
Speaker 7 (07:06):
You know, it's funnyly so, because I have just finished
writing draft nine of a memoir. I never thought that
I would do a memoir. But then when Hollywood gets
a hold of you and puffs up your ego, you know,
just like a piece of popcorn, you float around up
there and you think, well, maybe everybody needs snowwhere I can.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
Is this breaking news that you're writing a memoir.
Speaker 7 (07:29):
Yes, my editor doesn't know about it yet, so don't
tell it.
Speaker 6 (07:37):
Yeah, he's amazing. And then I asked him about visiting
the set while they were shooting the movie with Ari
and Cynthia.
Speaker 7 (07:43):
I flew out to London and was there for close
to a week.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
I'd like to say I.
Speaker 7 (07:48):
Hung out and you know, got drunk with Ari and
Cynthia and Johnny. You know, that's all a big lie,
But I did. I did meet them. I did watch
them at work. I watched them film. That was there
the week that they were filming the Ozdesk ballroom scene.
And that's the scene where Alphabet is publicly humiliated and
(08:11):
Glinda finally accepts her responsibility for her part in the
humiliation and in the marginalization of Alphabet. And something, something
breaks and strengthens in Alphaba, and something breaks and strengthens
in Golinda as.
Speaker 6 (08:27):
Well, Arianna talks about this is her dream role. She
always wanted to play this role, so I can believe
that this was truly like a moment for her.
Speaker 7 (08:36):
It's the central moment in the film.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I think it really is the central moment in the film.
And then I asked him about the impact that Cynthia
Ribo had on the role of Alphabet.
Speaker 7 (08:47):
That was in Greece a couple of weeks ago with
about thirty teachers, and three or four of them were
black teachers. A couple of men, couple women. We were
touring the sites and one day we were sitting having
a glass of wine at the end of the day
and one woman said to me, you know what I
(09:08):
am my girlfriends, you know the part of Wicked the
movie that really gets to us And I said, oh, no,
tell me, and she said, the thing that made all
of our hearts wobble. It isn't defying gravity, it's when
(09:32):
Cynthia Arrivo sings, I'm not that girl. Because every one
of us black women know what that feels like, and
we have lived with that sentiment our whole lives. So
when you ask what does what did Cynthia bring to it?
And what does she communicate. Adina sang that song beautifully.
(09:54):
Anybody I've ever heard play that part plays that moment beautifully.
But there's so thing even more heartbreaking when Cynthia does
it on the screen.
Speaker 6 (10:04):
To me, I totally agree.
Speaker 10 (10:06):
It was.
Speaker 6 (10:06):
Every time I watched that scene and that movie, I
just I burst into tears.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
That was a powerful moment at the book club last year.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
It was right there.
Speaker 6 (10:14):
And then there's one more. He gave us breaking news
that Elfie, which is the book that's out right now,
which is the prequel to Wicked. Here we go. This
is this being broadcast, it is we're streaming live. I see,
well you can say it.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
He told me that. Well, yeah, I'd just say it.
Speaker 7 (10:36):
I have it on fairly high authority that Cynthia Revo
is doing the audio book.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
You did not hear that from me.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
He was so generous with his time and his stories.
So to Gregor, no, Bill, you need to see the movie.
You will have an ugly cry. I'm telling you so,
I should.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Watch it alone. Otherwise they'll be embarrassed.
Speaker 6 (11:06):
I think I honestly think that your wife Michelle would
love it too, Like I honestly like watch it together.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay. Meantime, what's next for the book club?
Speaker 6 (11:13):
We will next week we will tell you what's next
for the book club. There'll be one in July. At
the end of July, we're just finalizing details, and then
we'll have two in September, one in two in October,
and one in November.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I've got a lot going on, not going on meantime.
Boston Calling Festival kicks off tomorrow on the Harvard Campus.
I drove by it last night and it's all set
up with the exception of the Ferris Wheel, so they're
probably waiting until after the winds pass.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, put up the ferrist wheel. But it's big doings.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
The lineup tomorrow night includes Louke, Colmbs, Cheryl Crow, T
Payne and a TLC and the Boston Pops. Fourth the
July lineup announced yesterday, lee Anne Rimes is coming to down.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
It makes me want to watch this movie for a
tenth time. Hyoti ugly that like, really I really like
the movie. Call me whatever you want to call me. Okay,
you know Well's going to be there on the Esplanade.
Bell biv Devo. What did July on the Esplanade?
Speaker 12 (12:12):
You have to do it?
Speaker 1 (12:13):
Once in your life. If you've never done the Esplanade
on the fourth, you need to do it once in
a life.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
The year No, this is the year.
Speaker 6 (12:21):
Yeah anniversary.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Leslie Odom Junior from Hamilton also going to be there.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Oh he's very talented, he is amazing.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Reports this morning say the Shakira concert in New Jersey
last week may have sparked a measles outbreak. Someone infected
with measles went to the show. Oh, keep in mind,
Shakira comes to Fenway Park May twenty ninth.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
That's like a week from now.
Speaker 6 (12:48):
I'm sure they're watching her staff and all of her dancers.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Well, they're saying people who were there in New Jersey
could be seeing signs as late as June sixth.
Speaker 6 (12:57):
Yeah, the incubation periods really long.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I don't really know what measles is.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
You don't want it.
Speaker 5 (13:02):
You would know I got you in.
Speaker 13 (13:06):
Measles is a highly infectious and dangerous disease. One in
ten who contracts it will need hospital care, and it
can lead to complications such as pneumonia and brain damage, and,
in the worst cases, even death.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
If you really want to know measles, Fenway Park may
measles don't lie.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Have you got him?
Speaker 5 (13:33):
You got him?
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Chris Brown is out of jail in London. He was
released on six point seven million dollars bail. That's a
lot of dough.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
He's charged with a hitting a guy in the face
with a tequila bottle at a nightclub.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I hope it was worth it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Yeah. You never want to pick up a bottle and
strike someone with him? What are you thinking?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
And Kim Kardashian has her law degree. She had a
big party to celebrate yesterday. She dedicated eighteen hours a week,
forty eight weeks a year for six straight years to
get her a law degree.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
So yeah, good for her. She deserves a party.
Speaker 7 (14:08):
What's the difference between a hooker and a lawyer?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
The hooker will stop screwing you after you're dead. Yeah,
good for her though.
Speaker 7 (14:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Miley Cirus's new album comes out next Friday. She went
on with Zane Lowe yesterday, says her haraspy voice is
actually caused by a real medical issue.
Speaker 14 (14:30):
I had Reiki's edema. It's abuse of the vocal cords.
So my voice always sounded like this. So I have
this very large poll up on my vocal cord, which
has given me a lot of the tone and the
texture that has made me who I am. But I
do have this Reiki's edema, and I have this large
polep on my cords and I'm not willing to sever
(14:51):
it because the chance of waking up from a surgery
and not sounding like myself is a probability.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
I think her voice the way it is has done
her fun.
Speaker 5 (15:00):
I think she sounds hot, you know, yeah, the raspiness, Yeah,
I'm digging it.
Speaker 10 (15:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:05):
The new season of Hard Knocks will feature the Buffalo Bills,
premiering August fifth. Would have featured Bill Belichick and the
unc football team, but we all know by now Jordan
got in the way of that.
Speaker 5 (15:17):
Did hold on? Did anybody see her posts last night?
Speaker 1 (15:19):
You did, and you showed me.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Yeah, Old Bay with Old Bay. So she was at
old Was that Nantucket?
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I think she's on Nantucket?
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, So she was having dinner with Bill on the water.
So the caption is old Bay b a y with
my Old Bay b a Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
The old Bay seasoning.
Speaker 6 (15:38):
For her having like a lobster boiler.
Speaker 15 (15:40):
Yeah, they're having seafood. And it was like she you
could really see Bill, you saw like his side of
his hand, and you just saw the old Bay seasoning.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Sure it was Old Bay with my old bed. Okay,
had she not gotten in the way of U n
C being featured on Hard Knocks, it would have been
the first college football team ever featured.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
That would have been a great, great documentary.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Yeah, Pacers.
Speaker 4 (16:05):
And the next Last Night game one, Pacers won it
and overtime, thanks Georg Tyrese Haliburton.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Three at the Buzzerli, don't.
Speaker 7 (16:17):
Take it, they'll back pedal a free for the.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
M I watched this game. I got oprom the book flow.
It was a classic. So it was a two though
his foot was on the line sentence overtime and they
beat the Knicks. They came back and beat them. And
by the way, Tyrese Haliburton when he hit that shot,
did the Regier choke. Reggie Miller used to do a
(16:41):
spike lee.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
He said, if he knew it was only a two,
he wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Yeah, yeah, if he did that, and they lost in overtime,
and he ran right over to the next bench to
do it, it's like in your face, how's that?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Shallow may thunder?
Speaker 4 (16:53):
And the Timberwolves game two tonight So I was out
at Fenway Park yesterday doing some interviews with the players
and apparently the mush on the property. You know, we
it was cold, it was rainy. I had some fun
meeting some of the new players. We had some interviews
we'll feature on Dining Playbook. But yeah, because I was
on the property, the Red Sox lost to the Mets.
(17:14):
And by the way, really they struck out sixteen times.
That's when you know the mush has been there like
never before disaster strikes.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
So yeah, sixteen strikeouts in the game.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
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Speaker 6 (17:51):
From the Planet Fitness Kiss one Away Studios, we're back
with A Villy and Lisa in the Morning on Kiss
and we.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Are teaming up with Live Nation and their thirty dollars
ticket campaign, which by the way, kicked off yesterday. We
are giving away two tickets to four of the biggest
shows this summer at Leasta.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
What shows are we talking about?
Speaker 6 (18:13):
Halsey, Kasha Ajr, And Big Time Rush And they're all
at the Xfinity Center this summer.
Speaker 4 (18:17):
Yeah, all we need is a caller twenty five. It
could be you caller twenty five six, one seven, nine,
three one one one o eight. You will need the keyword,
and the keyword is tush.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I'm the one who pushes the.
Speaker 12 (18:32):
Been a Blase Tushy like push.
Speaker 6 (18:36):
Push today he was like kissing her and grabbing her tush.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (18:42):
And there's a reason for torsch being the keyword. The
NFL owners yesterday finally voted that the toush push can stay.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
All right. Somebody wanted to ban it. They didn't like it.
The Eagles were the best at it. But yeah, that
was a big ruling in the NFL yesterday. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
Jason Kelsey, who's retired, was there fighting for it.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Yeah, yeah, why not. They kind of mastered it. Tosha
is the keyword. While we wait for college twenty five.
Justin a couple of talk back.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yeah, what an amazing event last night, Billy Winnie, I'm
sorry you guys, couldn't make it, but it was great.
It was great seeing everybody. Gregory maguire was awesome. Lisa
crushed the interview. I feel like everyone had a good time, right, Lise, Oh.
Speaker 6 (19:22):
My god, it was a next level. They said it
was the best book club ever.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
I thought so.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
Hi, guys, it's Angela the Scientist.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
I was at Lisa's Amazing book Club last night with
my thirteen year old daughter and we had an incredible
time and we ended up winning the Halsey tickets from
donating to raising a reader, and we are so excited
and we can't wait and we just want to say
thank you five thousand, love you all.
Speaker 14 (19:45):
Thanks.
Speaker 6 (19:46):
Yeah, they were screaming. They literally were screaming, yeah that
they won.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, it was so cute. And by the way, right
after eight o'clock this morning, we'll give you some of
the highlights, some of the interview from last night with
the Lisa's Book Club.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
You don't want to miss. It was truly like great stories, yeah,
and breaking news.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And Lisa mentioned it earlier. So I had to walk
Gregory to the stage, so I like a bodyguard. Yeah,
well wow, always producing over here. Yeah, So I got
him and he gathered. He was wearing a red like
velvet hat and a green velvet scarf. So I walked
him over to Lisa, and Lisa as she mentioned, he
had a bag with him. So lisays, oh, Greg, I'll
(20:22):
take that bag or Justin will take it. Oh no, no, no,
it stays with me. This is my new book ninety
two thousand words. And he did not leave his side,
and it was his memoir.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, you think he sleeps with it?
Speaker 6 (20:33):
Well right now, I mean he's working on it.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Brownparty are not how valuable that is?
Speaker 6 (20:38):
Yep?
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Oh, yeah, he wasn't parting with it.
Speaker 11 (20:40):
Good morning everyone, it's book club. Marsha just wanted to
say thanks again Lisa for a great night last night.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What a wonderful event.
Speaker 11 (20:48):
Gregory Maguire was amazing, What a wonderful storyteller. And he
was just amazing, sharing so many great stories with us,
and he was so approachable. My sister in law had
a great conversation with him after and I think her
writer's block is cured now. It's great to see everyone,
and thanks again, looking forward to the next one.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
Yeah, he created this, I mean this is story. He
just came out of his head. And I mentioned last night,
one point seven billion dollars is tied to the Wicked franchise.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Wow. I hope he's geting a percentage of that.
Speaker 7 (21:23):
Well.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Yeah, he has a house and friends, and he has kids, right,
he has three children, adopted children. We talked about his
kids during the interview and his love for them and
how they keep him so grounded.
Speaker 8 (21:34):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (21:34):
You can watch the whole video. It is up on
the Kiss one to Wait Facebook page. All right, and
again we'll have highlights at eight ten this morning. Meantime,
we've got Laura on the phone. She's calling in from
beautiful Duxbury. What a beautiful town, Duxbury.
Speaker 7 (21:48):
Laura, it really is.
Speaker 6 (21:50):
I'm very lucky to live there.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Yeah. You may have a little problem with the wind
this afternoon along the coastline there.
Speaker 10 (21:57):
I know.
Speaker 5 (21:58):
I think we're all going to have a problem with that.
At least it's not so Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
And the good news is you are called twenty five.
But you have the keyword. It's a very critical keyword
this morning.
Speaker 16 (22:09):
The keyword is tush of course it is.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
Yes, yeah, nice tushy.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
I'm a sixth grade teacher. My kids are going to.
Speaker 7 (22:17):
Love that one.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Oh yeah, you always want to watch out for the tush. Yeah, yeah,
take care of the torch. Okay.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
So Laurie, you got to hang on, okay and produce
some Riley. It's going to give you all your instructions.
You've got tickets to four great shows. Imagine that.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Amazing. My teenage dot is going to lose their minds.
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, the summer is all set socially.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Billy A Lisa every morning Kiss one wait.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Okay, so it's Thursday morning and the Thursday tradition at
least while the Karen Reid trial is going on, as
we have our own announced lawyer, Catherine loftus and to
answer our questions as well as yours. If you're listening
and everybody's into the Karen Reid trial, you may want
to start calling now six one seven, nine, one one eight.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You can certainly send your talkbacks to Justin. How do
they do that?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
Justin have to do it on the iHeartRadio app, which
is free to download. You are listening to us on Kiss.
When I wait you have a question for Catherine, just
tap that microphone.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
That'st and good morning Catherine, Good morning everyone. What was
all the drama with the jury yesterday, so we didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Know on the front end what it seems to be.
Speaker 8 (23:22):
So for anybody who wasn't watching, when the judge came in,
she informed the jurors that she was going to have
to inquire of each of them individually, and nobody knew
what that meant.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Everybody else got sent out of the room. The media,
you know, uh, all the observers, no drors were kicked off.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
She did talk to all of them, and seats were moved,
So it sounds like maybe there were people who from
my perspective, again, this is speculation because we don't have
the information from the court that either people weren't getting
along who were sitting near each other, or maybe they
were people who were you know, in third grade, you
sit next to your friend and then she just says,
we have to break you two up. So seats were
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moved and the trial results.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Maybe they were commenting back and forth during the trial during.
Speaker 8 (24:04):
The test kind of haven't chattiness, so they're not supposed
to be talking at all, not supposed to be making
any observations or you know, sort of matter.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
But she did say to them when everything was called
back in, she did say a reminder you're not supposed
to talk about this trial?
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Did they really expect people to not talk about it? Well,
I mean, who's kidding?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Who really they? You know, they're not They're not supposed.
So it's it's a difficult.
Speaker 8 (24:26):
It's one of these things that's human nature that you know,
that we hope that everybody will follow the rules of
the system and that you're not supposed to talk with
anybody elseid about it. You're not supposed to discuss it,
look at any anything online. It's difficult, especially in the
world we live in today. A lot of these rules
were made for you know, a pre internet, pre social
media world. You know, I always find it had to
(24:48):
believe that when people go home, they're not talking, you know,
to their spouse or whoever.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
They might have one confidant you know about it.
Speaker 6 (24:53):
But they probably are. The other surprising thing was that
she suspended deliberations until Tuesday because they're head of schedule.
Speaker 8 (25:00):
That's right, So we yesterday we saw the neurosurgeon, doctor Wolfe,
and then finished with Christina Hanley from the State place.
Tomorrow was supposed to be a half a day and
then Friday was off. So I think given that, you know,
it was only going to be a couple of hours
in the morning. Anyway, tomorrow they figured give them the
long weekend for Memorial Day.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Come back Tuesday.
Speaker 8 (25:20):
It seems like the Commonwealth only has one witness left,
that's doctor Judson Walcher of Aperture, and I expect he'll
probably be on the stand for maybe at least one
or two days because he's sort of the substance of
the Commonweal's case and there'll be a lot of cross
examination of him.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
But looks like the Cammo's gonna wrap up next week.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Call me crazy, isn't it Okay? If the trial is
ahead of schedule, it's a good thing.
Speaker 8 (25:41):
Ahead of schedule, So we still have Obviously the kom
Wealth presents the case. Once they rest, the defense is
able to present their entire case in chief. Last time
it was very short. It was only a few days.
It sounds like it might be a little bit longer
this time. And then the kom Wealth, if they so choose,
has a chance to put on a rebuttal case to
the this case. So we still could be looking at
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a couple more weeks.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
So we wrapped up another week. Did anything significant happen?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think there was a lot this week. There was
a lot this week.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
We had.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
Probably the biggest witness was Shannon Burgess that has sort
of been very divisive on both sides. He's the individual
who is the data forensic analyst from apacher who was
scheduled to testify before doctor Walter, and he was testifying
as to what the Commonwealth believes is the timeline.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
So this intersection of the different data.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
Obviously we saw on cross examination from Attorney Alessi, you know,
many hours talking about his credentials. Where did he have
a bachelor's, does he not have a bachelor's? Where did
he put that on? What CV did he put it?
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Is on LinkedIn? So that was sort of the main,
you know, topic of this week.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
I'd say, so was the defense contending if he's lying
about having degrees, how can you believe anything he says
on the stand. Is that what's going on? Pretty much?
Speaker 8 (26:57):
Yeah, And that's what, you know, the benefit that lots
of things can be true at the same time. One
number one, you don't need a degree in every field
to be an expert. You know, certainly if you're a
if you're testifying as a it's something medical, you have
to be a doctor or legal things like that. But
in his field, do you need a bachelor's. No, But
you can't say you have a bachelor's if you don't write.
(27:17):
And so what the defense was trying to argue, and
I think was fairly successful in it, is that, hey,
if you're presenting yourself as one thing and that's not
being one hundred percent honest, can we rely on the
substance of your testimony?
Speaker 4 (27:29):
Now, not to just quickly, not to be petty, but
the gentleman who was lying about the degrees have the
weirdest hair I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It was like, what was going on there?
Speaker 8 (27:41):
It's like it feels like that that age where it's
in the middle where it's like you haven't quite committed
to you know, just shamed it all lot. Yeah, you know,
but I don't know. I mean, I have a lot
of hair, so I can sympathize with not wanting to
let it go.
Speaker 6 (27:54):
But I knew what Billy saying.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
It was distracting a little patch on the front and
then it was totally bald, and then hair and the back.
It was kind of going on.
Speaker 6 (28:01):
Yeah, how impactful do you think the neurosurgeon was yesterday?
With the falling back and saying that he got that
from you know, really hitting his head. I mean I
thought that I thought it was impactful.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I thought it was impactful as well.
Speaker 8 (28:15):
And again with almost all of the testimony that comes
in the sort of online percepsion is very split dependent
on really what side of the eye you're on. But
I do think obviously that doesn't show that John was
hit by a car and cause that. But I think
what it does show is that the injuries that we
see that have been largely attributed by the defense, you know,
(28:36):
to potentially a fight. You know what appears to be
black eyes, the raccoon ees. He explained that, you know
the type of injury how when you would fall back,
you know, the gravity takes you that you don't stop yourself.
The way that your brain essentially shakes inside your head,
it causes the fluid around your eyes to cause these
raccoon eyes. So I do think it was impactful in
terms of how the head injury actually happened. Does it
(28:59):
show that he was hit by a vehicle to cause
him to call cause fall backwards, No, it doesn't. But
it's again remember we'll talk about little pieces in the puzzle,
So he was not calls for that purpose.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
It was just about the brainer.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
I didn't know what's strange. So here we are, how
many years into this thing?
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Three years?
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Three years, we're into the second trial.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Prosecution's close to wrapping up its case, and all anybody
wants to know. I get asked on the street all
the time, sony, you think she's going to prison? That's
all anybody wants to know right now?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Is she or isn't she?
Speaker 8 (29:30):
Well, if she's convicted, she yes, well, yeah, if she's convicted,
she is. I mean, you know, I think the it's
difficult to know.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
You don't know.
Speaker 8 (29:39):
What we hear from the people, the observers in the
court is that the jury is actually very attentive, that
they're paying attention, that they're taking notes.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
So, you know, it all depends on what the jury thinks.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Is a lawyer, are you swayed one way or another
or you'd rather not offer.
Speaker 8 (29:55):
I think I think the com wald has I think
there's a world whish she can be convicted of the manslaughter.
I think one of the most likely outcomes is another mistrial.
To be honest, I think a not guilty across the
board is probably unlikely.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
If there's another mistrial, will they retry.
Speaker 8 (30:10):
Well, theoretically they can. The kalmult always has the ability
to keep going. I don't think that they would.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
After to Billy, there's no bombshell here. They're together certain
things and there's going to be someone on that jury
that's just not going to believe it. Now it's topic
time for the Billy and Lisa in the Morning.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Oh okay, we want to start with the phones talkbacks.
We'll go to the phones first, and we've got Catherine
Loftus here. We're talking about the read trial and we're
into our second trial. We're three years into this ordeal
and everybody is still obsessed with the Karen Reid trial.
And we're going to start in Averil and you, Margo,
do you have a question for Catherine?
Speaker 16 (30:50):
I sure do.
Speaker 17 (30:51):
Good morning, Morning Team, Good morning, Attorney Loft to the morning,
A long time, long time listener.
Speaker 7 (30:58):
First time caller, or good.
Speaker 6 (31:01):
Thank you.
Speaker 17 (31:02):
I was watching a video yesterday that almost made me
lose sleep last night. And I don't know if anybody's
been talking about this, but during the defense's cross examination,
I believe that tech guy that said he we had
a bachelor's degree, but really didn't. I'm not sure who
he was.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
The gentleman their yeah, yeah.
Speaker 16 (31:23):
Wicked bad hair.
Speaker 17 (31:28):
You look over at Judge Bev and at one point,
when the defense is looking at the entry with the witness,
she's rubbing her right side of her cheek and looking
at the prosecution. And as she's doing that, immediately after
the prosecution yells objection, and Judge Bev has the biggest
smile on her face.
Speaker 6 (31:50):
Yes, the details, yes, No.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
That's been circling on the internet and I've been asked
a number of times what I think about I mean, listen,
do I ultimately do I know what that means? Do
I think that Attorney Brennan needs the judge to signal
him to object now he knows when to object and
what to do. I think that the judge and the
prosecution are in cahots. I don't can I you know,
(32:13):
I know you do?
Speaker 10 (32:15):
You know?
Speaker 8 (32:16):
Personally no, I don't see it, but I understand that people,
you know, outside observers looking at it from on its
face it looks like, hey, that's weird, what's that? But ultimately,
do I think they're you know, I mean, do I
think they're colluding together to you know, against the offense.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
I would hope not.
Speaker 15 (32:34):
She just looked really like the smile was weird. Not
I understand, like it looks bad with the rubbing. But
you said he's not a new attorney, he doesn't need help.
But her smile, ye was really crazy, Like why so happy?
Speaker 8 (32:48):
She might be like I feel like she might be,
you know, going to a little delusional like the rest
of us are were watching the same thing.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Over and over it.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Okay, go get him make a good point.
Speaker 6 (32:58):
We're all just regular people here, right, Judge bath Right, right, Judge.
Speaker 4 (33:01):
Bad Yeah, let's go to Jamie right here in the
beautiful city of Medford, Massachusetts.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Good morning, Jamie. Question or comment for Catherine Loftus.
Speaker 16 (33:10):
Yeah. My question is there's a ton of stuff on
the internet about anti BEV being biased, and do you
see any truth to that and that she shouldn't be
trying this case and do things that affects the jury
with some of her reactions.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
You know, I don't and I listen.
Speaker 8 (33:26):
I understand that this has been a topic of conversation
since the last trial.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
There was a motion to recuse her early on.
Speaker 8 (33:34):
I think it was in the summer of twenty twenty
three with some allegations that seem to be unfounded. You know,
I think that in this case that the sort of
outside speculation, internet observations have sort of taken a toll
of its own and really on a life of its own.
And do I mean, ultimately, do I think that she
(33:57):
is biased against the defense?
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I don't.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Do I think that she certainly is frustrated in some ways,
and that visibly shows, Yes, I do. I mean, I
think that's apparent that she has been a little bit
short with the defense at times. The objections are largely
within the legal bounds. She's been appealed to multiple times,
all the way up to the United States Supreme Court.
Her ruins have been upheld. So, you know, whether we
like it or not, the objections are largely sounded in
(34:21):
the law.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
But that's what's really cool about the Internet and social
media is that all of these people are basically an
expanded jury that, yes, they're sitting in on the trial.
Speaker 8 (34:31):
Yes, yes, I know, because the outside has so much
more information than the jury actually does. The jury only
has the evidence that can come in, you know, through
relevant admissible testimony documentation. So there the jury is actually
looking at the case, I think in a very very
different way than the general public is.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
You don't think they go home and check out the
opinions online.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
Yesterday?
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Well, you know, I mean I do think.
Speaker 8 (34:57):
Listen, we're all citizens, right, most of us are the
citizens of this United States, where we're founded on. It's
a democracy. We have a constitution that protects individual liberties,
and we have rules, and we hope that when you're
on a jury and you take an oath to swear
it and abide by these rules, we hope that the
jurors do that.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Can you as well?
Speaker 8 (35:16):
You know, we're lucky that we have this system. It's
not perfect, but it's better than most in the world.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Justin mister Costa, ask it differently.
Speaker 18 (35:26):
I am serving on a grand jury right now, and
we had a similar thing happen where a juror was
pulled out, spoken to privately, ultimately dismissed. So I wanted
to ask Catherine if this is something that happens frequently.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Wow, it happens.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
It's I wouldn't say it's frequent, but it's certainly not
unheard of. Again, jurors are We're all just people, right,
So you put, especially in a grand jury, you have
twenty three members who sit for you know, for three
or four months. On a jury, we have seventeen here
people sitting together every day. They're at lunch every day.
There's different kinds of personalities, you know, how it goes.
(36:05):
We don't all get along. So, you know, sometimes there's
one person that kind of rubs everybody else the wrong way,
and maybe it's better if you take that person out
of the situation.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
So does it happen all the time? No, But is
it completely unusual?
Speaker 1 (36:20):
No, Well, it's most likely most of the jurors have
already made up their mind, right, unless I mean that's
barring a bombshell of some sort.
Speaker 7 (36:27):
No, I mean, I I.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
Don't know some maybe some, But I do think that
most jurors really do pay attention to all of the
evidence and think about the fact that they deliberated last
time for five days, So that actually shows that they
didn't make up their mind right away. Right, If you
make up your mind, then you have a really quick verdict.
The fact that they thought about it for five days
last time shows that there was a lot of information
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from both the defense and the prosecution that they sort
of had to sell.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
All you need is one hole out right either way.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
Either way, you need unanimous that you need twelve either way.
Speaker 11 (36:58):
My question for Catherine, so the day that Karen was sick,
and it was definitely Karen, but.
Speaker 17 (37:04):
You know they said something happened due to unforeseen circumstances.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
Aren't they allowed to go on without her?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
That was my understanding, but.
Speaker 7 (37:14):
I could be wrong.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
So you always want the defendant to be present. She
has a right to, you know that watch the trial,
to be present and listen.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
This happens.
Speaker 8 (37:23):
It's not you know, if somebody was if there was
a falsehood being you know, presented to the court, or
if there was something else, they might say, okay, you
could zoom in or you can appear. Sometimes they take
defendants and they put them what we call behind the
dock if they're causing disruption. But generally you want the
defendant to be in the room when the trial is
(37:44):
proceeding like that. That is the best course. And you know,
people do get sick. This happens all the time. Earlier
in the pretrialittigation, Attorney Brennan, they took a day off
because he wasn't feeling well, and you know, it's life.
So if you have a day or two that something
comes up, it would be the same thing with a
juror if they couldn't make it in for some reason,
you know.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
I think actually everyone's been doing really well, especially even
last year too.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
I mean, and it's it's a long time.
Speaker 8 (38:08):
I mean, it's a long time for all for nothing
to come up right, and everyone's stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (38:12):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
I can't believe how long these people have gone to court,
Like every day they sit in the same seat, and
it's amazing to me.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
The process.
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, it's it takes a lot, it's
it's a huge toll on people. Not only you know,
you have to have to physically sit in the courtroom
to listen to all this. You take a year away
from your family, friends, you work, so it's a.
Speaker 4 (38:33):
It's a huge well, even the people in the courtroom
who are going, or witnesses standing by, or family members.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
Who were there every day for the Okay family and
for Catherine Loftus.
Speaker 12 (38:44):
How much weight do you imagine the jury will give
the microscopic pieces of tailate in John o'keith's shirt, And
the second part of that is how can they be
dismissed by people who believe that she is being framed.
Speaker 8 (38:59):
That's a difficul So this is you know, when I
talk about the physical evidence, a lot of it is
difficult to refute. So really the only if you look
at the physical evidence the taillite pieces on the scene,
that the microscopic pieces that Christina Hanley testified to yesterday.
So basically she said, under a microscope you could see
the small, you know, tiny microscopic fragments of red plastic pieces.
(39:22):
It is difficult to explain for the defense because the
only way you really can is by saying that the
evidence both of the scene is planted as well as
what's in his sweater. Whether they'll be able to present
a theory that's reasonable to a jury, I don't know,
but I think that you know, again, the jury is
not paying attention to any of the outside you know, speculation,
(39:44):
what we know, so they're just looking at what's in
front of them, and I do think that's a fairly
powerful piece of evidence for the Commonwealth.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Good morning, everyone, is Lucy.
Speaker 11 (39:53):
I would like to ask Catherine Loftus what's the difference
between a mistrial, because like.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
He had come to a eplosion or a or a
an agreement, and a hung jury thank you, thank you,
So it's essentially the same thing.
Speaker 8 (40:09):
So a hung jury basically means that the jury itself
is in part of them thinks she's guilty, part of
them thinks she's not guilty. The miss trial is is
the legal term about what is actually declared. So when
we say the jury is hung, we mean that they
can't come to a decision, and because they are hung,
then a miss trial is declared. So they're they're really
(40:31):
the same thing, but technically one is the legal term,
which is miss trial.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Have you come to a decision?
Speaker 2 (40:39):
I know you have, Billy, mister Costa
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