May 29, 2025 • 38 mins
The Billy & Lisa crew cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show including a happy birthday to our favorite meteorologist, and Katherine Loftus joining us in studio to answer our Karen read trial questions. Listen to Billy & Lisa weekdays from 6-10AM on Kiss 108!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, best morning show in Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Just a great start to my day on kithe Away.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Okay, welcome in everybody, and a happy Thursday to you.
Is today any special day? Like I know yesterday was
a National Hamburger Day? We had some fun with that.
Is today the National anything Day?
Speaker 5 (00:20):
It's always National something day? They have a day for everything.
I'll look up right now for you, so you have
a national day.
Speaker 6 (00:26):
Before we get going with the show.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You know, Winnie every morning comes in with their own
little show sheet.
Speaker 6 (00:31):
Most of the time we ignore it.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
But I happen to notice this story and here's the headline,
lace woman catches her cheating husband with an electric toothbrush.
Now I feel the need to read deeper into this.
Speaker 6 (00:47):
Okay, good one. Okay.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So a woman in the UK caught her husband cheating
after noticing odd activity on their electric toothbrush app. The
married mother of two was using the app to track
her kids brushing habits when she saw the toothbrush was
used at strange times, like when her kids were at
(01:10):
school or her husband was supposed to be at work.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Wow, I love her.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Interesting story.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah right, that's why I was drawn to it, and
you know, I sat down like in two seconds later
I looked at when he showed sheet, which I rarely do.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 7 (01:30):
I didn't know that you could have an app to
track brushing habits.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I didn't either, But apparently both she and the husband
knew about toothbrush habits.
Speaker 8 (01:40):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I don't really want to know what he was doing
with the toothbrush. No, okay, so I'll just put that aside.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
It's National Alligator Day, okay, there you go, or National
Biscuit Day. I like biscuits, all right, Okay.
Speaker 9 (01:54):
Okay, wait, the alligators get their own day.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Why shouldn't they mag magnificent creatures they really are. It's funny.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I had a nightmare about an alligator.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I did too, really, Yeah, I was in chased. Yeah,
I had one too, Like I think it was last night.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
You had what a dream about alligator?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
An alligator in my dropes?
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (02:15):
Really?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, I'm not joking.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Wow, I have Russell what I alligated?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's so weird.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yeah, would you say it's a National biscuit to him?
Reminds me of the phrase, honey, get your biscuits in
the oven and bring your buns to.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Bed the classic.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yeah, I have a weird mood today.
Speaker 10 (02:38):
You're mood?
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
All I know is I'm excited Fifth Harmony is reuniting.
They are I didn't even know that.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Yeah, that's huge to me.
Speaker 9 (02:48):
Yeah, we do have a birthday shout out though, real quick.
I want to start with if we can.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
Thank you good morning Morning show crew.
Speaker 8 (02:55):
This is Brian, Jason Michael's other half.
Speaker 11 (02:58):
I am just calling in today to wish Jason a happy,
happy birthday and to say he's the best meteorologist in
all of Boston. So happy birthday, Jason, hope you have
the best day ever.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Bye, guys, have a great morning.
Speaker 11 (03:16):
I got to.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Tell you I want Brian as a boyfriend very at
like a very very nice boy.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
He's very attentive, and he's very proud of Jason. Yeah
that's your wife not so much.
Speaker 9 (03:29):
Well, Billy's why in my wife, it's like we think
we're so cool, and they're like, yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Matter what I say, no matter what I want to
talk about, she rolls the eyes.
Speaker 9 (03:40):
But we have to say happy birthday.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Hey, Jason, how you doing. Listen? I know you're super busy.
You got a lot going on.
Speaker 12 (03:50):
I really hate to bother you, but well there's something
I've been meaning to tell you, and I'm afraid it
just can't wait any longer.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Happy birthday too, Yeah, birthday.
Speaker 9 (04:04):
To you, Jason Michaels. Happy birthday, dear Jason.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Wow, birthday two.
Speaker 9 (04:21):
So you guys will be talking to Jason right.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Before seven o'clock every morning, Lisa and I on the
WBZ TV news with the Paula and Chris and Jason
is the meteorologist. So happy birthday, Jason Michaels.
Speaker 9 (04:32):
I was talking to Jason yesterday. He will be coming
in very soon, possibly next week, maybe the week after,
and he's very excited.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
I got him. Wow. Very cool.
Speaker 9 (04:43):
Yeah, he loves you guys.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
We love him, and Brian loves him. I gotta tell you,
Brian is in love with Jason and I'm loving that.
Speaker 11 (04:50):
Ye.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Yeah, what a hot couple.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Philly is so jealous.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Yeah, we love to have that kind of attention.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Maybe maybe a gay man in your life, Lisa, NI,
a nice gaming in your life too.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I've always believed that if I decided to make that
turn someday, I would be a really nice gay man.
You still have time, you never know. They say, you know, okay,
maybe we should change topics. But happy birthday, Jason, and
we'll talk to you in a few minutes right before
seven o'clock every ding.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Yeah, what a hot couple. I told you I was
feeling very weird today.
Speaker 9 (05:39):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
A hot couple.
Speaker 10 (05:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
From the Planet Fitness, Kiss one Away Studios, we're back
with Villy and Lisa in the morning. Kiss Now the
entertainment update with the Villy copstad.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah, we're going right into it this morning. Hayley Bieber
is cashing in big time. I'm on her road makeup line,
selling it for close to a billion dollars at least.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Okay, I saw this story yesterday and it's funny because
producer Riley and I were having a conversation about ELF
Cosmetics yesterday because they advertise on kiss and on our Heart,
so they do, and we were talking about the ads
and how much we like the brand. The brand is
it stands for ies lip Face Elf and it sold
it like Target, Walmart, all to Beauty. They will be
selling in Sephora in the fall. But yeah, so this
(06:30):
billion dollar deal is huge. She's going to stay on
as the founder and as sort of like an influencer
because that's what they're buying. But the CEO of ELF
said that Road further diversifies our portfolio with a fast
growing brand that makes the best of prestige accessible. So
they really like how many followers that Haley has. But
(06:53):
it's also a brand that you know you can afford. Yeah,
so that's why they're buying it.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Now here's my question. Do you know many people who
have used Road to make up?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (07:03):
So Road again has been doing well enough and they
see growth.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's why they bought it.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
Selena Gomez's line is very popular, very popular. So I
would say those two lines and then fenty the Rihanna
brand are the top three. But again, I think they're
seeing growth opportunity with Haley and plus this gets them
out of their Remember, we kept saying like Justin Bieber
(07:32):
has money.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Problems, spent all the money right?
Speaker 7 (07:34):
Well then well now I think right, But he wasn't
with her last night. She was at a celebratory dinner
and he wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Oh god, did you see?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
He did post a lot about the company.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
But I personally I love ELF, Like, yeah, it's great,
it's great. I mean the price, it's like two bucks.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
You get something for two dollars?
Speaker 11 (07:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Oh yeah, like the line like Target, I mean Target, TJ,
max Ye, pick out shadow or whatever.
Speaker 11 (08:01):
Two.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
Yeah, She's the breadwinner now right, Justin and Haley. What
a hot couple. Congratulations a hot couple.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Okay, So the new Miley Cyrus album comes out tomorrow.
She had a listening party last night in Los Angeles
and was already, by the way, talking about her next album.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
My next album is about to be extremely experimental, so
we'll have fun with that.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Something beautiful.
Speaker 9 (08:34):
It's just the appetizer.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Extremely experimental.
Speaker 9 (08:42):
Does that means like death metal?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And by the way, during the event Los Angeles last night,
a couple got engaged.
Speaker 11 (08:50):
Your love.
Speaker 9 (08:59):
You guys, if you want to, Oh, there you go
Chateau Marmont. See where the event was. Loves that place.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, she's always there. Boy, that place has a history.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Have you ever been there?
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (09:17):
I have.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I was at a party. I forget who it was for.
It was during like a record label thing or something,
and it was at the time where a lot of
sketchy stuff was going on at Chateau Marmont.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
It does have like a history of past.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, so you're at a party, you're sipping your drink
and you're just looking around. I wonder what happened in
this room? Yes, yeah, interesting place and I love this
next story. So Mike White, who created The White Lotus
also wrote the movie School of Rock, is going to
be one of the competitors in Survivor the fiftieth season.
(09:52):
They announced the lineup this week. Now, this fiftieth season
doesn't even go on until the next year. But yeah,
he I'm bitted in season thirty seven too. For me,
I'm a Survivor obsessive fanatic. Everybody in my business wants
the Oscar.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
It's like you.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Losers like I want to win Survivor.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Yeah, so we give it another shot season fifty.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
I mean that's cool and all, But is this going
to affect the next season of The White Lotus because
he has to write the next season, he has to
scout the location.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Well, supposedly they've already scouted the location.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Oh do we nowhere? Well, remember there was a hint
that possibly Egypt.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yes, Egypt.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
I don't think so, because it's only thirty days or
forty days or whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And honestly, like he should be done with by.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
That written it right?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Uh just announced Sabena Computer is in line to star
in the Mama Mia three movie. Don't forget Sabrina covers
Abba and Mama Mia songs on her.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
You know it's weird.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I think I'd really like a Sabrina Carpenter concerto.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I would much rather see her and me and than
Amanda Seifried. I cannot. Amanda Sifried drives me up a wall.
I don't know why. I can't tell you why this
is random.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I have to don't don't get her fame at all?
Speaker 10 (11:22):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Why don't you give her much thought? Yes?
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Would she replaced Ted? I was like for what I
was like for She was in Ted too. She ruined
it for me. I loved Ted the original one with me.
Then you added Amandairied.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I hate it.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, she doesn't bring anything to the table.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Wasn't she in a Channing Tatum movie?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Dear John, Dear John, annoy me and Dear John?
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Could you ever have respect for me?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
That I remembered the movie Dear John, with Channing Tatum
and Amanda Seyfried.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
How did that just happen? Wow?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
There's talk of a possible Fifth Harmony reunion, but not
with Camille le Cabo. If it happens, it's going to
be a foursome. Okay, Fourth Harmony possibly, all right, you
got some Fifth Harmony in their brother.
Speaker 10 (12:14):
Of course, Danger Down weren't there, yeah, lass alah blah blah. See.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
I think that's a mistake for Camilla not to do all.
Speaker 10 (12:26):
Right again, Danger Down weren't there, yeah, lass alah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
Well you you have a storied history with Fifth Harmony. No,
you really don't know with Fifth Harmony. You mention them again.
Speaker 13 (12:46):
I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Never thought they had.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
An ounce of talent.
Speaker 13 (12:50):
You've seen them several times, completely talent. I actually hosted
Fifth Harmony's debut at the Square one Mall and Sagas and.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I'm telling you our shows. Yeah, they were banging into
each other. They didn't know where to go.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
He said they were so nice, and every time they
would come backstage, they always remembered all of our.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Names, and I thought that was impressive.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, was nice. Every time.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
She was so nice.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, weren't they on the elevator or the jingle Ball
Destiny's Child?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
It was literally five years ago.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Child really really Destiny's Beyonce right on an elevator with
me and Lisa and Matt Siegel and Matt thought they
were waitresses.
Speaker 9 (13:39):
Well, I guess fifth Domony won't be doing our shows anymore.
Wow or what's or what's her name?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Please?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Welcome back to the show. Our friend Amanda Siefred. Everybody
was scratch her right off?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Oh so Cassie Ventura, Ditty's ex star witness by the way,
against Ditty in the trial, had a baby boy yesterday,
two weeks after testifying against the Diddy for her Yeah,
and Barbara Walters documentary is coming to Hulu. It premieres
June twenty third on Hulu. They dropped the first trailer yesterdays.
(14:14):
I was never beautiful.
Speaker 14 (14:16):
If I'd been a dog, I mean maybe they wouldn't
have put me on television, But I mean, nobody ever
put me on because I was beautiful of glamorous.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
She was fearless, and sometimes she got under people's skin.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Do drugs in front of your child?
Speaker 9 (14:29):
My god?
Speaker 12 (14:31):
Question?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And then suddenly she would just throw a hardball out
of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Mother, What do so many people hate you?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Each and every one of us has people that love
us and people that hate us.
Speaker 14 (14:42):
No, not anybody has people who hate them.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
She was amazing and she was from Brookline.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, I loved her.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Pionair for women.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, she was solid, really really good what she did.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
So the Patriots the latest signing wide receiver Steffan Diggs,
caught on tape on a with a baggie of pink
powder a bunch of women on board. Digs by the way,
didn't show up for the Patriots ot as this past week.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Coach veryberly, the.
Speaker 9 (15:10):
Message will be the same for all our players that
we were trying to make great decisions and any conversations
that I've had with Stefan who remain between him and
I and.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
The club.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Optional.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
I know it's more.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
About the pink substance on the yacht.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It could be candy possibly, we don't know what it is.
Speaker 9 (15:28):
Well, he also was with Cardi b his girlfriend obviously
on the yacht, but he had he was surrounded by
the women and he was making them call him daddy
all on video.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah, his wife right there.
Speaker 9 (15:40):
Yeah, I thought they were going strong. I don't Billy
did too.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
A couple.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Not so much bo NBA playoffs here we go thunder
last night eliminate the Timberwolves. They wait for the winner
of the Pacers Knicks series that could happen tonight. By
the way, Pacers lead that series three games, won NHL Playoffs.
The Panthers eliminate the Hurricanes last night. They wait for
the winner of the Oilers Stars series. Oilers lead that
series three games one they play tonight, And finally, Terry
(16:10):
Bradshaw blasting Aaron Rodgers this week, furious that Rogers could
possibly sign with the Steelers.
Speaker 10 (16:18):
That's a joke.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
That is just to me as a joke. What are
you gonna bring him in for one year?
Speaker 10 (16:22):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 9 (16:24):
That guy needs to stay in California and go thank
you we're and juvon't bark and whisk it to the
gods out there.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I had to go over and introduce myself to it.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
He's I had to go, Hi you, Aaron. I'm Terry Bradshaw.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
I know he knows me, but I just felt like
I better tell him who I am.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
You know, you walk in there and you get in his.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Presence and you feel like it's gonna start snowing. Now
there's Dave Fortnoyd touring Pizza places in Massachusetts this week.
We are gonna deal with this at eight ten this
morning on the Billy and Lisa Morning Show. We're gonna
want to know all of your all time favorite pizza place.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
He went to Foxboro, Norfolk and Walpole. Well, they have
two locations, the Walpole it's the same company.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, think about your favorite pizzas. We'll deal with it
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Speaker 10 (17:25):
Er danger gown work, danger gon work. Yeah, lass A
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Speaker 14 (17:33):
From the Planet's Fitness Kiss one Away Studios.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
We're back with a Villy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 11 (17:39):
Kiss.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
All right, let's go this summer.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Ever, we've got a shot at the tickets to see
Post Malone and Jelly Roll at Gillette Stadium this weekend.
And by the way, you also qualify for the grand
prize which would be given away tomorrow morning on this show.
That would be floor seats for the big show that
you let this weekend, so we need to call it
twenty five at sixty one seven nine three one one.
(18:03):
This is all driven by Jeep, right, it is we
love Jeep six one seven eight And you will need
the keyword, and the keyword is billion. Okay, billion, that's
a good key word for this morning.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
It is certainly is for the Beavers this morning. Billion
is the keyword.
Speaker 9 (18:25):
So the rain looks like it's going to be in
the morning and move out by the afternoon on Saturday. Perfect,
So looks like you'll be okay for the show at night.
And then don't forget post Belon's having that tailgate party
in the parking lot of Gillette. That's a free event.
His tattoo artist is going to be there.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
No way.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
If you want to get a tattoo by the same
guy that did post these, you can't.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Wow. Yeah, there's added value right there.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
It's pretty good. That starts at noon, so you can
head out early, hit the party, and then hit the
show after.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
The talkbacks are wide open on this Thursday morning. Thank
you for everyone for checking in. You can always leave
a message that's called a talk back on the show.
You listen to Kiss want to wait on the free
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little microphone there and it comes right into me. You
can say anything you want. We don't care.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Good morning.
Speaker 15 (19:10):
I wanted to call and wish my very very amazing
son a very happy twelve birthday, Shane. You are amazing
and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Happy birthday, Shane, Happy birthday, good kid.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Why is Billy laughing? God, you've got the giggles.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
He really does well, he knows. I know what he
wants me to play.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
It's like I know, yeah, Okay, Well it makes sense.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
I'm in his head.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Man.
Speaker 9 (19:46):
We were talking about Sabrina Carpenter possibly doing Mama Mia
and Billy's entertainment report.
Speaker 14 (19:51):
Good morning, This isn't a call from Burlington. You were
just talking about Sabrina Carpenter. I'm actually bringing my daughter
to Madison Square Garden in your city for her sixth
birthday and her first concert ever to go see Sabrina Carpenter,
and we are so excited. We have bonded over one
of her older songs called Mona Lisa, and it's really
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been a good time. It's been fun. So we can't
wait to see Sabrina in New York because she's not
coming to Boston. Have a good day.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
That's a great show, mother daughter show carpenter. It's not no,
I mean, yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
That's nice that they bond over that and she's bringing
her right, but I wouldn't call it so cute.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Welcome, Welcome back, Winnie.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
But joy and positivity wherever she goes.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I'm sorry, but every step of the way judging No,
I'm sure she's a great moment.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I'm not saying anything. I'm just like, oh, that's my mother.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
She should probably maybe have a talk with the daughter ahead.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
That's a taste thing, could be a little yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
A couple of yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well yeah. The lyrics are suggestive, of.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Course, but the performance outshines it, you know, totally.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, when she's ex physician.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Okay, well all right, well whatever, all right, you know.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
You know what, let's just go to Star. How's that?
Speaker 10 (21:13):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Is that really your name?
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Star? It is really my name? Are you a.
Speaker 15 (21:20):
Parent?
Speaker 3 (21:21):
That's a good name today?
Speaker 10 (21:22):
I am no, you think of it?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
And now you're a headliner for this evening. Please welcome
in a hut tub Star. Uh, where are you from?
Speaker 8 (21:35):
I have much more money.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Where are you calling from? Star Attleborough?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Okay, well, you're a star this morning.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
This is a good show.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
This, this is an amazing day Star this this this
show at Gillette.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Absolutely absolutely, I'm very excited.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Who you're going to bring?
Speaker 14 (22:00):
Oh see that it's going.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
To be a toss up by the kid of the boyfriend.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Oh oh okay, Winny. Any thoughts on this one.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I think she well, I think she should bring the boyfriend.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Bring the boyfriend on Saturday night. Yeah, and get matching tats.
Speaker 14 (22:14):
Right, Maybe I'm about that.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Okay, hopefully he is too.
Speaker 10 (22:21):
Star.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Hold on, do not hang up Producer Riley. She's very nice.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
She's gonna want thank you guys.
Speaker 11 (22:26):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
I have a ball.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Saturday, and we want to thank Jeep there for the
last summer ever, driven by Jeep, Billy and Lisa.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Okay, we've got attorney Catherine Loftus in the studio. We
do this every Thursday morning. We talk about the Karen
Reid trout. And again, if you've got questions for the
attorney six one, seven, nine, three.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Eight or justin, they can send tarkbacks too. Yeah, you
can drop your question on the iHeartRadio app. You just
listen to us on Kiss one O eight. Tap that
little microphone button and good morning counsel, Good morning to you.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I want to post a question right at the outsit
if you don't mind, I know our own questions and
uh so we're coming up on a pivotal moment because
the defense is about ready to present its case, right
or did they start yesterday?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
They have not started yet, so they are the kalm
walth Is on their final witness that stuck to Judson Welcher.
He's cross examination, he's had a lot of time, yes,
and he's like maybe tomorrow again. Attorney Lessie said, at
the end of the day, I don't know if you
if anybody caught it. At the end of the day,
when the judge asked how much longer, he said, you know,
I'm about halfway through. And it sounds like based on
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what he said, that we might go into Friday.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
And there it's only a half day today. It's only
a half day today. Why would happen There's a juror
that has an appointment, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And they try to accommodate if possible.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah, okay, So here's my opening question, counselor uh So,
the defense getting set to present its case, do you
think there's any possibility that they might be sitting on
something big, this is going to break this case wide open.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I think that's unlikely. It's interesting to see we don't
know what the defense is going to present this time.
There was a little bit of an inkland some of
the filings earlier this week about they supplemented the defense
supplemented their list, so it is an indication that they
might not call Trooper Procta. The question really now is
do they present the case really against sort of what
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the kom Wealth has presented. So we're talking about different experts,
you know, attacking sort of the brick as we talk
about that the commas trying to build, or do they
go with this alternate theory, the third party theory and
the planting. So that's that's one to be watched.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And is anybody going to believe anything Procter says anyway
at this point?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
You know, I mean, that's an interesting question. From what
we've heard from the jury the first time, is that
they really took that he was not a good person,
that they were disgusted by the text, but it didn't
seem to really affect substantively how they viewed the evidence,
and it's it seems like he's likely not to be
called at all this time. So it's it's a tactic,
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but it's almost more helpful for the defense to be
able to point the finger at sort of this boogeyman
of Michael Proctor and say, like, look at the Kamal
didn't even call the lead investigator instead of putting him
on and potentially the Komals rehabilitating him.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Can we go back to this guy Welcher for a second, Judson, Yes, okay,
So how impactful was the paint exercise that they presented
to the jury with the transfer from the tail light
to the arm.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I mean, it's it's helpful. I think the overall I
don't know if that specific piece in and of itself
was you know, this smoking gun. Again, anytime we have
an expert who's looking at the facts of the case
and the evidence that they have it and they're coming
to an opinion, what the jury is doing is looking at, Okay,
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is this person reliable? Are they credible in their field?
Should we you know, what weight should we give this?
There's a lot of discussion about you know that he
wore similar to John o'keith's clothes. This paint on his arm,
I mean, I I think it shows the sort of
general idea of where he could have been hit. But again,
nobody can say for sure what exactly happened.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
But I thought the visualization of it was impactful.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It wasn't because in one of the questions that was
asked towards the end, I believe by Attorney Brennan, was
about whether the paint went on the underside of the arm,
and it didn't and it was only on the top.
So it's the first sort of visual representation that we've
had at all in the case about what the kom
wealth actually things happened.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Now I'm no expert, but I'm looking at those cuts
on the arm. I don't think those cuts can be
caused by a bump from a car.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Like there were lacerations, right, So what his testimony was
that they were basically lacerations from not just the bump,
but from the brake, so that the if there was
a clipping or you know, bumping, that that caused the
break and then the brake caused the lacerations. In the
arms as mister O'Keefe was sort of being pushed away.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
And I loved how they basically said that he can
say that, based on what he's viewed, that a car
similar to Karen Reid's Lexus could have done this, But
you can't say that Karen Reid did this.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right, because that's really a conclusion of fact. Just because
he did say on the stand, you know, this is
what happened. He can't say that, but he can say
it basically exactly what you said. Is close to possible
that a vehicle of the same make and model as
Karen Reid's could have caused these injuries. And I believe
that they did cause.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
These They really paid this guy four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
It seems like it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I'm experts.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
This is an expert testimony is a big business in
civil and criminal litigation, but it.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Seems weird that you're paying almost a half million dollars
for somebody you want to say what you have to
have him say.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, the interesting thing about experts is that, I mean,
that's ultimately what it is. And that's why I think
it's always important from the observer's perspective to remember that
they are one. They are paid. You know, he testified
that he has previously testified for both the defense for
the state in different jurisdictions. But you know, ultimately the
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hope is that you give an expert, you know, the
discovery of the evidence, and they come to their own conclusion.
You know, there is a world where you can the
comus could have given him everything and he didn't come
up with that theory, you know, or came up to
a different conclusion than they would have to provide that
to defense. But just the same as on the other side,
they'll have experts that opine as to their theory and
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they'll be paid by them. So that's why sometimes experts
in a way sort of cancel each other out, because
the jury looks at it as like, well, they're all
being paid to sort of say what each side wants
them to pay.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Well, speaking of the jury, Speaking of the jury, there
are a lot of little things that go on inside
the courtroom. This is a tiny room. It's much smaller
than it appears on TV. So you have the weird
stenographer with the mask on her face, right, and every
so often the stenographer will like roll her eyes or
look up and react to something and sometimes the judge
will like roll horriz or something. Is the jury phased
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it all by that one way or another.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I mean they pay attention to everything in my from
my perspective, in not every single jury, but the juris
pay attention to the lawyers, they pay attention to the defendant,
the court. The starcher read the stenography yesterday after when
Attorney Lessie said he would be long as she literally
took the thing offer mouth and her head went back
and she said, oh my god, I.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Can ask you a question about that device that she
was How do you not get like a rash around
your mouth?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I don't know, I just as a as a person.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I know, I've never tried a lot of a lot
of trials. Now we have what's called the for the
rocket system, so it's all digitally recorded. But in big
cases they like to have a stenographer as a backup.
But I mean, think about the fact that she has
to be listening to every single person. It's a difficult job.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And by the way, get a friend of mine is
a stenographer and she called me she doesn't use the
thing that there are some stenographers that don't loreen. You
know who I'm talking about there's some that don't use them.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That's right now.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
It's topic time for the Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
It's one of my favorite things we do.
Speaker 11 (30:00):
Lease.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
So we sit here every Thursday with Attorney Catherine Loftus
and we break down the Karen Reed trial, and we
take calls and questions from listeners and talkbacks and such
and and we have the conversation on air. But then
there's the conversation we have off the air, which I
really think we could put what I would love to
put on the air, but anyway, I don't know. Let's
(30:21):
get some talkbacks in justin well.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
A lot of questions on the amount of money the
state is spending on these experts. We talked about that
with Katherine a couple of minutes ago.
Speaker 12 (30:29):
Okay, so why is it okay that the states spent
like four hundred and eighty thousand dollars, you know, all
these experts. But the defense was crucified for spending you know,
under thirty on their experts, just because you know, the
judge knew upfront about this.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
So I don't think it's forty. The number seems to
be to be going up Whichi's thinking. But this is
the thing. The patties get to do whatever they want,
and so it is a lot of money for an expert.
Expert witness testimony is big business and civil and criminal litigation.
They get paid a lot of money. These are engineers.
The question ultimately becomes sort of the comparison between the
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Commonwealth paying aperture and the issue about the defense Ocer.
The question about that was who was paying Occer. It
wasn't actually about the money itself, because that was relative
to this allegation that there was not supposed to be
any communication between the defense and OCCER, and then there
(31:29):
was discovered there was a bill. So it's not actually
the dollar amount that that was in contention. It was
the fact that they paid them themselves instead of the fence,
and they didn't present it. That's correct, so right, and
so it wasn't turned over to either the court or
the prosecution because they were supposed to be you know,
they started off obviously as independent witnesses. They were hired
(31:49):
by the United States Attorney's Office for the federal investigation.
Subsequent to that, there was obviously communication with the defense,
and so, you know, but it's a lot of money.
No doubt that the amount paid to apertures is a
lot of money. But the common Wealth gets to do
present their case in the way they want and spend
their money that's allocated to them the way they want.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
And speaking of money, part of our off air conversation
was about jurors who were there for weeks and weeks
and some of them aren't getting paid. Some are, but
some aren't, so they lose income for weeks and weeks.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That so right, So as we were talking about, nobody
will be sad on a jury if there's a financial hartship.
So if you're going to lose income, you're not going
to be paid, able to pay your bills or dake here,
things like that. That's called the financial hartship, and you
won't be sad on the jury. So there's a presumption
that everybody who's on the jury is either being paid
or doesn't need to be paid, and everybody kind of
(32:39):
gets flushed out the other people who would have problems,
but before they get sad.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Wow. My question for Attorney Loftus is has she ever
seen the Commonwealth spend as much money as they have
trying to nail Karen Reid it's it's unbelievable how much
money it's costing of a legitimate question.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Awesome, if it's a hung jury again, that's right, and
hopefully if it's a hung jury, then that's that'll be
that's the end of it, you know, that's the goal.
The yes. I mean, like I said, experts cost a
lot of money. So if you have complicated cases, it's
not unheard of that you'll have witnesses. You know, this
is an engineer, an engineering firm. I mean, they're build
(33:24):
out probably at hundreds and hundreds of dollars per hour,
and there was quite extensive work, so that adds up
pretty quickly. It is a lot of money, and I
think it's a fair concern. They believe that she's guilty
and seems like they were willing to run.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
It's a taxpayer money, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So if you think about it, it is taxpayer money.
It is allocated, so it's not as if it's so
it's you know, the diff separate issue. But the budget
is set every year obviously in July by the legislator
and each you know, the Public Defender's Office, the DA's
office is allocated a set amount of money and they
get to spend it anyway they want, whether it's on experts,
whether it's on New DA's things like that. But yes,
(34:01):
it is in fact taxpayer money.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Part of me thinks you can pay a certain amount
of money that can tilt the case one way or
another based on how much you're spending versus the evidence.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, ultimately that's what goes to the weight of what
the testimony is from the experts, and why I always
encourage people to remember that experts opinions are just that,
their opinions that you can take, as you know, in
addition to the evidence that you see presented. But just
like the Commonwealth pays their expert the defense always pays
their experts too, So you essentially have two sides who
are being paid to theorize something Differently.
Speaker 12 (34:33):
If Karen Reid has found not guilty at the end
of this freetrial, what's next for justice for Jonathans.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
In terms of the commonwealth, that would be it. If
she's found not guilty across the board, that ends the case.
They won't pursue anybody else, They won't try anybody else.
They believe that she's guilty. So I'm not guilty to
the commonwealth doesn't equal innocent. It just means that they
didn't prove it, so likely.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
That would be the end of it.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
The civil cases stem then all the civil cases. So
for for Mits Reid, there is obviously the pending civil
case filed on behalf of the estate of John o'keeith,
and then there is likely to be somewhat civil suits
from maybe some of the peripherals.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
So she could never be outside of court, like I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
She's probably gonna be in court for a long time.
Speaker 16 (35:17):
Yeah, good morning everyone. I have been watching the Karen
Reid case for the last trial. Now this trial, the
judge just absolutely annoys crap out of me. But why
does she call a sidebar every time like Alessie gets
going or you know, wants to talk to them about
what they're talking about. I mean, does she not know
how they're going to do this? What's the point of
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the sidebar to tell him he can't.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Ask those questions like that.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
I'm just it happens every time.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yes, So there were there were a couple of issues
of contention yesterday. One of them was the basis for
the Voa deer at the end of the day, in
which the defense wants to ask doctor Walter about troop
of Paul and what information that he had prior to
reviewing the case. That was an issue of contention, as
you saw when that line of questions started, Hankbrun right
(36:07):
away objection of projection, of projection, they go to sideby
because we don't argue the law in front of the jury.
So anytime there's any substantive discussion that needs to be
had about what can come in whether you know, we
have to remember that everything still has to be follow
the rules of evidence, has to be admissible, competent evidence
and relevant to the case.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Can't the jury still hear what they're saying?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
They can't? Actually this generally no, they there's a there's
a what we call a shusher that goes on. So
it's it's like a like in the courtroom that the
clerk's office presses yes so that you can't hear I've
never heard before, yes yes machine.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
It's like you can buy.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
So in the in the sort of recording system, the
clerk will press the So anytime there's a sidebar, because
they're supposed to be private conversations, that's that.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
I was like, the joy is sitting right.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
There and show us something else besides the fan. Yeah,
I mean, you know, really move it around.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
And it's a susar button.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah yeah. So it's like it's like in the computer system,
like in the recording system, but it will physically will
come out of the speakers in the Courtum, you'll everybody
will hear in everybody, all the attorneys and the judge.
We all know you talk kind of quietly, yeah at
sidebar anyway, and then you have the shush on it.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
So that does button have like a piece of duct
tape that actually says I don't I don't know, am.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Not a clerk, I don't know who presses the button?
The clerk?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, so the so the people one of the individuals
who are sitting in front of the judge, so they'll, yes,
they'll they'll press it.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
They test the suar button like before they start the.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Day's I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Check who knew this was going to be?
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Hey, Billy, Oh all right, thank you Katine Lotus for
joining us. We'll be back next Thursday, right,
Wow, best morning show in Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Just a great start to my day on kithe Away.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Okay, welcome in everybody, and a happy Thursday to you.
Is today any special day? Like I know yesterday was
a National Hamburger Day? We had some fun with that.
Is today the National anything Day?
Speaker 5 (00:20):
It's always National something day? They have a day for everything.
I'll look up right now for you, so you have
a national day.
Speaker 6 (00:26):
Before we get going with the show.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
You know, Winnie every morning comes in with their own
little show sheet.
Speaker 6 (00:31):
Most of the time we ignore it.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
But I happen to notice this story and here's the headline,
lace woman catches her cheating husband with an electric toothbrush.
Now I feel the need to read deeper into this.
Speaker 6 (00:47):
Okay, good one. Okay.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
So a woman in the UK caught her husband cheating
after noticing odd activity on their electric toothbrush app. The
married mother of two was using the app to track
her kids brushing habits when she saw the toothbrush was
used at strange times, like when her kids were at
(01:10):
school or her husband was supposed to be at work.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Wow, I love her.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Interesting story.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
Yeah right, that's why I was drawn to it, and
you know, I sat down like in two seconds later
I looked at when he showed sheet, which I rarely do.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 7 (01:30):
I didn't know that you could have an app to
track brushing habits.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
I didn't either, But apparently both she and the husband
knew about toothbrush habits.
Speaker 8 (01:40):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
I don't really want to know what he was doing
with the toothbrush. No, okay, so I'll just put that aside.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
It's National Alligator Day, okay, there you go, or National
Biscuit Day. I like biscuits, all right, Okay.
Speaker 9 (01:54):
Okay, wait, the alligators get their own day.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Why shouldn't they mag magnificent creatures they really are. It's funny.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I had a nightmare about an alligator.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I did too, really, Yeah, I was in chased. Yeah,
I had one too, Like I think it was last night.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
You had what a dream about alligator?
Speaker 3 (02:13):
An alligator in my dropes?
Speaker 6 (02:14):
Okay?
Speaker 9 (02:15):
Really?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Yeah, I'm not joking.
Speaker 6 (02:17):
Wow, I have Russell what I alligated?
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's so weird.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Yeah, would you say it's a National biscuit to him?
Reminds me of the phrase, honey, get your biscuits in
the oven and bring your buns to.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Bed the classic.
Speaker 6 (02:35):
Yeah, I have a weird mood today.
Speaker 10 (02:38):
You're mood?
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
All I know is I'm excited Fifth Harmony is reuniting.
They are I didn't even know that.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
Yeah, that's huge to me.
Speaker 9 (02:48):
Yeah, we do have a birthday shout out though, real quick.
I want to start with if we can.
Speaker 6 (02:52):
Thank you good morning Morning show crew.
Speaker 8 (02:55):
This is Brian, Jason Michael's other half.
Speaker 11 (02:58):
I am just calling in today to wish Jason a happy,
happy birthday and to say he's the best meteorologist in
all of Boston. So happy birthday, Jason, hope you have
the best day ever.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
Bye, guys, have a great morning.
Speaker 11 (03:16):
I got to.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Tell you I want Brian as a boyfriend very at
like a very very nice boy.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
He's very attentive, and he's very proud of Jason. Yeah
that's your wife not so much.
Speaker 9 (03:29):
Well, Billy's why in my wife, it's like we think
we're so cool, and they're like, yeah, no.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
Matter what I say, no matter what I want to
talk about, she rolls the eyes.
Speaker 9 (03:40):
But we have to say happy birthday.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Hey, Jason, how you doing. Listen? I know you're super busy.
You got a lot going on.
Speaker 12 (03:50):
I really hate to bother you, but well there's something
I've been meaning to tell you, and I'm afraid it
just can't wait any longer.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Happy birthday too, Yeah, birthday.
Speaker 9 (04:04):
To you, Jason Michaels. Happy birthday, dear Jason.
Speaker 6 (04:10):
Wow, birthday two.
Speaker 9 (04:21):
So you guys will be talking to Jason right.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Before seven o'clock every morning, Lisa and I on the
WBZ TV news with the Paula and Chris and Jason
is the meteorologist. So happy birthday, Jason Michaels.
Speaker 9 (04:32):
I was talking to Jason yesterday. He will be coming
in very soon, possibly next week, maybe the week after,
and he's very excited.
Speaker 6 (04:41):
I got him. Wow. Very cool.
Speaker 9 (04:43):
Yeah, he loves you guys.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
We love him, and Brian loves him. I gotta tell you,
Brian is in love with Jason and I'm loving that.
Speaker 11 (04:50):
Ye.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
Yeah, what a hot couple.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Philly is so jealous.
Speaker 6 (04:55):
Yeah, we love to have that kind of attention.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Yeah, me too.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Maybe maybe a gay man in your life, Lisa, NI,
a nice gaming in your life too.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
I've always believed that if I decided to make that
turn someday, I would be a really nice gay man.
You still have time, you never know. They say, you know, okay,
maybe we should change topics. But happy birthday, Jason, and
we'll talk to you in a few minutes right before
seven o'clock every ding.
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Yeah, what a hot couple. I told you I was
feeling very weird today.
Speaker 9 (05:39):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6 (05:40):
A hot couple.
Speaker 10 (05:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Okay.
Speaker 7 (05:43):
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Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yeah, we're going right into it this morning. Hayley Bieber
is cashing in big time. I'm on her road makeup line,
selling it for close to a billion dollars at least.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
What's going on?
Speaker 7 (06:07):
Okay, I saw this story yesterday and it's funny because
producer Riley and I were having a conversation about ELF
Cosmetics yesterday because they advertise on kiss and on our Heart,
so they do, and we were talking about the ads
and how much we like the brand. The brand is
it stands for ies lip Face Elf and it sold
it like Target, Walmart, all to Beauty. They will be
selling in Sephora in the fall. But yeah, so this
(06:30):
billion dollar deal is huge. She's going to stay on
as the founder and as sort of like an influencer
because that's what they're buying. But the CEO of ELF
said that Road further diversifies our portfolio with a fast
growing brand that makes the best of prestige accessible. So
they really like how many followers that Haley has. But
(06:53):
it's also a brand that you know you can afford. Yeah,
so that's why they're buying it.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Now here's my question. Do you know many people who
have used Road to make up?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (07:03):
So Road again has been doing well enough and they
see growth.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's why they bought it.
Speaker 7 (07:11):
Selena Gomez's line is very popular, very popular. So I
would say those two lines and then fenty the Rihanna
brand are the top three. But again, I think they're
seeing growth opportunity with Haley and plus this gets them
out of their Remember, we kept saying like Justin Bieber
(07:32):
has money.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
Problems, spent all the money right?
Speaker 7 (07:34):
Well then well now I think right, But he wasn't
with her last night. She was at a celebratory dinner
and he wasn't there.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
Oh god, did you see?
Speaker 5 (07:44):
He did post a lot about the company.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
But I personally I love ELF, Like, yeah, it's great,
it's great. I mean the price, it's like two bucks.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
You get something for two dollars?
Speaker 11 (07:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (07:55):
Oh yeah, like the line like Target, I mean Target, TJ,
max Ye, pick out shadow or whatever.
Speaker 11 (08:01):
Two.
Speaker 9 (08:02):
Yeah, She's the breadwinner now right, Justin and Haley. What
a hot couple. Congratulations a hot couple.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Okay, So the new Miley Cyrus album comes out tomorrow.
She had a listening party last night in Los Angeles
and was already, by the way, talking about her next album.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
My next album is about to be extremely experimental, so
we'll have fun with that.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Something beautiful.
Speaker 9 (08:34):
It's just the appetizer.
Speaker 4 (08:38):
Extremely experimental.
Speaker 9 (08:42):
Does that means like death metal?
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (08:45):
And by the way, during the event Los Angeles last night,
a couple got engaged.
Speaker 11 (08:50):
Your love.
Speaker 9 (08:59):
You guys, if you want to, Oh, there you go
Chateau Marmont. See where the event was. Loves that place.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah, she's always there. Boy, that place has a history.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Have you ever been there?
Speaker 6 (09:17):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (09:17):
I have.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
I was at a party. I forget who it was for.
It was during like a record label thing or something,
and it was at the time where a lot of
sketchy stuff was going on at Chateau Marmont.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
It does have like a history of past.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
Yeah, so you're at a party, you're sipping your drink
and you're just looking around. I wonder what happened in
this room? Yes, yeah, interesting place and I love this
next story. So Mike White, who created The White Lotus
also wrote the movie School of Rock, is going to
be one of the competitors in Survivor the fiftieth season.
(09:52):
They announced the lineup this week. Now, this fiftieth season
doesn't even go on until the next year. But yeah,
he I'm bitted in season thirty seven too. For me,
I'm a Survivor obsessive fanatic. Everybody in my business wants
the Oscar.
Speaker 6 (10:08):
It's like you.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Losers like I want to win Survivor.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Yeah, so we give it another shot season fifty.
Speaker 9 (10:14):
I mean that's cool and all, But is this going
to affect the next season of The White Lotus because
he has to write the next season, he has to
scout the location.
Speaker 7 (10:21):
Well, supposedly they've already scouted the location.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Oh do we nowhere? Well, remember there was a hint
that possibly Egypt.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Yes, Egypt.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
I don't think so, because it's only thirty days or
forty days or whatever.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
And honestly, like he should be done with by.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
That written it right?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
Uh just announced Sabena Computer is in line to star
in the Mama Mia three movie. Don't forget Sabrina covers
Abba and Mama Mia songs on her.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
You know it's weird.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I think I'd really like a Sabrina Carpenter concerto.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I would much rather see her and me and than
Amanda Seifried. I cannot. Amanda Sifried drives me up a wall.
I don't know why. I can't tell you why this
is random.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
I have to don't don't get her fame at all?
Speaker 10 (11:22):
I don't.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
Why don't you give her much thought? Yes?
Speaker 5 (11:26):
Would she replaced Ted? I was like for what I
was like for She was in Ted too. She ruined
it for me. I loved Ted the original one with me.
Then you added Amandairied.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
I hate it.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Yeah, she doesn't bring anything to the table.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
Wasn't she in a Channing Tatum movie?
Speaker 1 (11:43):
Dear John, Dear John, annoy me and Dear John?
Speaker 6 (11:48):
Could you ever have respect for me?
Speaker 4 (11:49):
That I remembered the movie Dear John, with Channing Tatum
and Amanda Seyfried.
Speaker 6 (11:55):
How did that just happen? Wow?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
There's talk of a possible Fifth Harmony reunion, but not
with Camille le Cabo. If it happens, it's going to
be a foursome. Okay, Fourth Harmony possibly, all right, you
got some Fifth Harmony in their brother.
Speaker 10 (12:14):
Of course, Danger Down weren't there, yeah, lass alah blah blah. See.
Speaker 7 (12:23):
I think that's a mistake for Camilla not to do all.
Speaker 10 (12:26):
Right again, Danger Down weren't there, yeah, lass alah blah blah.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
Well you you have a storied history with Fifth Harmony. No,
you really don't know with Fifth Harmony. You mention them again.
Speaker 13 (12:46):
I gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Never thought they had.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
An ounce of talent.
Speaker 13 (12:50):
You've seen them several times, completely talent. I actually hosted
Fifth Harmony's debut at the Square one Mall and Sagas and.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
I'm telling you our shows. Yeah, they were banging into
each other. They didn't know where to go.
Speaker 7 (13:08):
He said they were so nice, and every time they
would come backstage, they always remembered all of our.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Names, and I thought that was impressive.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
Yeah, was nice. Every time.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
She was so nice.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
Yeah, weren't they on the elevator or the jingle Ball
Destiny's Child?
Speaker 1 (13:24):
It was literally five years ago.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
Child really really Destiny's Beyonce right on an elevator with
me and Lisa and Matt Siegel and Matt thought they
were waitresses.
Speaker 9 (13:39):
Well, I guess fifth Domony won't be doing our shows anymore.
Wow or what's or what's her name?
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Please?
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Welcome back to the show. Our friend Amanda Siefred. Everybody
was scratch her right off?
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Oh so Cassie Ventura, Ditty's ex star witness by the way,
against Ditty in the trial, had a baby boy yesterday,
two weeks after testifying against the Diddy for her Yeah,
and Barbara Walters documentary is coming to Hulu. It premieres
June twenty third on Hulu. They dropped the first trailer yesterdays.
(14:14):
I was never beautiful.
Speaker 14 (14:16):
If I'd been a dog, I mean maybe they wouldn't
have put me on television, But I mean, nobody ever
put me on because I was beautiful of glamorous.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
She was fearless, and sometimes she got under people's skin.
Speaker 4 (14:28):
Do drugs in front of your child?
Speaker 9 (14:29):
My god?
Speaker 12 (14:31):
Question?
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And then suddenly she would just throw a hardball out
of nowhere.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Mother, What do so many people hate you?
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Each and every one of us has people that love
us and people that hate us.
Speaker 14 (14:42):
No, not anybody has people who hate them.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
She was amazing and she was from Brookline.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, yeah, I loved her.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Pionair for women.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
Yeah, she was solid, really really good what she did.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
So the Patriots the latest signing wide receiver Steffan Diggs,
caught on tape on a with a baggie of pink
powder a bunch of women on board. Digs by the way,
didn't show up for the Patriots ot as this past week.
Speaker 6 (15:09):
Coach veryberly, the.
Speaker 9 (15:10):
Message will be the same for all our players that
we were trying to make great decisions and any conversations
that I've had with Stefan who remain between him and
I and.
Speaker 6 (15:19):
The club.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Optional.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
I know it's more.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
About the pink substance on the yacht.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
It could be candy possibly, we don't know what it is.
Speaker 9 (15:28):
Well, he also was with Cardi b his girlfriend obviously
on the yacht, but he had he was surrounded by
the women and he was making them call him daddy
all on video.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Yeah, his wife right there.
Speaker 9 (15:40):
Yeah, I thought they were going strong. I don't Billy
did too.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
A couple.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Not so much bo NBA playoffs here we go thunder
last night eliminate the Timberwolves. They wait for the winner
of the Pacers Knicks series that could happen tonight. By
the way, Pacers lead that series three games, won NHL Playoffs.
The Panthers eliminate the Hurricanes last night. They wait for
the winner of the Oilers Stars series. Oilers lead that
series three games one they play tonight, And finally, Terry
(16:10):
Bradshaw blasting Aaron Rodgers this week, furious that Rogers could
possibly sign with the Steelers.
Speaker 10 (16:18):
That's a joke.
Speaker 6 (16:19):
That is just to me as a joke. What are
you gonna bring him in for one year?
Speaker 10 (16:22):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 9 (16:24):
That guy needs to stay in California and go thank
you we're and juvon't bark and whisk it to the
gods out there.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
I had to go over and introduce myself to it.
Speaker 6 (16:33):
He's I had to go, Hi you, Aaron. I'm Terry Bradshaw.
Speaker 10 (16:36):
I know he knows me, but I just felt like
I better tell him who I am.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
You know, you walk in there and you get in his.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Presence and you feel like it's gonna start snowing. Now
there's Dave Fortnoyd touring Pizza places in Massachusetts this week.
We are gonna deal with this at eight ten this
morning on the Billy and Lisa Morning Show. We're gonna
want to know all of your all time favorite pizza place.
Speaker 7 (17:00):
He went to Foxboro, Norfolk and Walpole. Well, they have
two locations, the Walpole it's the same company.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
Yeah, think about your favorite pizzas. We'll deal with it
at a ten this morning. And we're brought to you
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Speaker 10 (17:25):
Er danger gown work, danger gon work. Yeah, lass A
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Speaker 14 (17:33):
From the Planet's Fitness Kiss one Away Studios.
Speaker 7 (17:36):
We're back with a Villy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 11 (17:39):
Kiss.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
All right, let's go this summer.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Ever, we've got a shot at the tickets to see
Post Malone and Jelly Roll at Gillette Stadium this weekend.
And by the way, you also qualify for the grand
prize which would be given away tomorrow morning on this show.
That would be floor seats for the big show that
you let this weekend, so we need to call it
twenty five at sixty one seven nine three one one.
(18:03):
This is all driven by Jeep, right, it is we
love Jeep six one seven eight And you will need
the keyword, and the keyword is billion. Okay, billion, that's
a good key word for this morning.
Speaker 6 (18:20):
It is certainly is for the Beavers this morning. Billion
is the keyword.
Speaker 9 (18:25):
So the rain looks like it's going to be in
the morning and move out by the afternoon on Saturday. Perfect,
So looks like you'll be okay for the show at night.
And then don't forget post Belon's having that tailgate party
in the parking lot of Gillette. That's a free event.
His tattoo artist is going to be there.
Speaker 10 (18:40):
No way.
Speaker 9 (18:41):
If you want to get a tattoo by the same
guy that did post these, you can't.
Speaker 6 (18:44):
Wow. Yeah, there's added value right there.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
It's pretty good. That starts at noon, so you can
head out early, hit the party, and then hit the
show after.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (18:53):
Yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Uh.
Speaker 9 (18:54):
The talkbacks are wide open on this Thursday morning. Thank
you for everyone for checking in. You can always leave
a message that's called a talk back on the show.
You listen to Kiss want to wait on the free
iHeartRadio app. You have something to say, you tap the
little microphone there and it comes right into me. You
can say anything you want. We don't care.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Good morning.
Speaker 15 (19:10):
I wanted to call and wish my very very amazing
son a very happy twelve birthday, Shane. You are amazing
and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Happy birthday, Shane, Happy birthday, good kid.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Why is Billy laughing? God, you've got the giggles.
Speaker 9 (19:32):
He really does well, he knows. I know what he
wants me to play.
Speaker 7 (19:35):
It's like I know, yeah, Okay, Well it makes sense.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
I'm in his head.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
Man.
Speaker 9 (19:46):
We were talking about Sabrina Carpenter possibly doing Mama Mia
and Billy's entertainment report.
Speaker 14 (19:51):
Good morning, This isn't a call from Burlington. You were
just talking about Sabrina Carpenter. I'm actually bringing my daughter
to Madison Square Garden in your city for her sixth
birthday and her first concert ever to go see Sabrina Carpenter,
and we are so excited. We have bonded over one
of her older songs called Mona Lisa, and it's really
(20:13):
been a good time. It's been fun. So we can't
wait to see Sabrina in New York because she's not
coming to Boston. Have a good day.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
That's a great show, mother daughter show carpenter. It's not no,
I mean, yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (20:29):
That's nice that they bond over that and she's bringing
her right, but I wouldn't call it so cute.
Speaker 9 (20:36):
Welcome, Welcome back, Winnie.
Speaker 8 (20:39):
But joy and positivity wherever she goes.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I'm sorry, but every step of the way judging No,
I'm sure she's a great moment.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
I'm not saying anything. I'm just like, oh, that's my mother.
Speaker 9 (20:51):
She should probably maybe have a talk with the daughter ahead.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
That's a taste thing, could be a little yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
A couple of yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Well yeah. The lyrics are suggestive, of.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Course, but the performance outshines it, you know, totally.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Yeah, when she's ex physician.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Okay, well all right, well whatever, all right, you know.
Speaker 9 (21:10):
You know what, let's just go to Star. How's that?
Speaker 10 (21:13):
Hey?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Is that really your name?
Speaker 10 (21:15):
Star? It is really my name? Are you a.
Speaker 15 (21:20):
Parent?
Speaker 3 (21:21):
That's a good name today?
Speaker 10 (21:22):
I am no, you think of it?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
And now you're a headliner for this evening. Please welcome
in a hut tub Star. Uh, where are you from?
Speaker 8 (21:35):
I have much more money.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
Where are you calling from? Star Attleborough?
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Okay, well, you're a star this morning.
Speaker 6 (21:47):
This is a good show.
Speaker 4 (21:48):
This, this is an amazing day Star this this this
show at Gillette.
Speaker 11 (21:54):
Absolutely absolutely, I'm very excited.
Speaker 6 (21:57):
Who you're going to bring?
Speaker 14 (22:00):
Oh see that it's going.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
To be a toss up by the kid of the boyfriend.
Speaker 6 (22:04):
Oh oh okay, Winny. Any thoughts on this one.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
I think she well, I think she should bring the boyfriend.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Bring the boyfriend on Saturday night. Yeah, and get matching tats.
Speaker 14 (22:14):
Right, Maybe I'm about that.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Okay, hopefully he is too.
Speaker 10 (22:21):
Star.
Speaker 4 (22:21):
Hold on, do not hang up Producer Riley. She's very nice.
Speaker 6 (22:25):
She's gonna want thank you guys.
Speaker 11 (22:26):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
I have a ball.
Speaker 7 (22:28):
Saturday, and we want to thank Jeep there for the
last summer ever, driven by Jeep, Billy and Lisa.
Speaker 4 (22:35):
Okay, we've got attorney Catherine Loftus in the studio. We
do this every Thursday morning. We talk about the Karen
Reid trout. And again, if you've got questions for the
attorney six one, seven, nine, three.
Speaker 9 (22:46):
Eight or justin, they can send tarkbacks too. Yeah, you
can drop your question on the iHeartRadio app. You just
listen to us on Kiss one O eight. Tap that
little microphone button and good morning counsel, Good morning to you.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I want to post a question right at the outsit
if you don't mind, I know our own questions and
uh so we're coming up on a pivotal moment because
the defense is about ready to present its case, right
or did they start yesterday?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
They have not started yet, so they are the kalm
walth Is on their final witness that stuck to Judson Welcher.
He's cross examination, he's had a lot of time, yes,
and he's like maybe tomorrow again. Attorney Lessie said, at
the end of the day, I don't know if you
if anybody caught it. At the end of the day,
when the judge asked how much longer, he said, you know,
I'm about halfway through. And it sounds like based on
(23:33):
what he said, that we might go into Friday.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
And there it's only a half day today. It's only
a half day today. Why would happen There's a juror
that has an appointment, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
And they try to accommodate if possible.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yeah, okay, So here's my opening question, counselor uh So,
the defense getting set to present its case, do you
think there's any possibility that they might be sitting on
something big, this is going to break this case wide open.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
I think that's unlikely. It's interesting to see we don't
know what the defense is going to present this time.
There was a little bit of an inkland some of
the filings earlier this week about they supplemented the defense
supplemented their list, so it is an indication that they
might not call Trooper Procta. The question really now is
do they present the case really against sort of what
(24:21):
the kom Wealth has presented. So we're talking about different experts,
you know, attacking sort of the brick as we talk
about that the commas trying to build, or do they
go with this alternate theory, the third party theory and
the planting. So that's that's one to be watched.
Speaker 4 (24:35):
And is anybody going to believe anything Procter says anyway
at this point?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
You know, I mean, that's an interesting question. From what
we've heard from the jury the first time, is that
they really took that he was not a good person,
that they were disgusted by the text, but it didn't
seem to really affect substantively how they viewed the evidence,
and it's it seems like he's likely not to be
called at all this time. So it's it's a tactic,
(25:01):
but it's almost more helpful for the defense to be
able to point the finger at sort of this boogeyman
of Michael Proctor and say, like, look at the Kamal
didn't even call the lead investigator instead of putting him
on and potentially the Komals rehabilitating him.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Can we go back to this guy Welcher for a second, Judson, Yes, okay,
So how impactful was the paint exercise that they presented
to the jury with the transfer from the tail light
to the arm.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I mean, it's it's helpful. I think the overall I
don't know if that specific piece in and of itself
was you know, this smoking gun. Again, anytime we have
an expert who's looking at the facts of the case
and the evidence that they have it and they're coming
to an opinion, what the jury is doing is looking at, Okay,
(25:47):
is this person reliable? Are they credible in their field?
Should we you know, what weight should we give this?
There's a lot of discussion about you know that he
wore similar to John o'keith's clothes. This paint on his arm,
I mean, I I think it shows the sort of
general idea of where he could have been hit. But again,
nobody can say for sure what exactly happened.
Speaker 7 (26:07):
But I thought the visualization of it was impactful.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
It wasn't because in one of the questions that was
asked towards the end, I believe by Attorney Brennan, was
about whether the paint went on the underside of the arm,
and it didn't and it was only on the top.
So it's the first sort of visual representation that we've
had at all in the case about what the kom
wealth actually things happened.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Now I'm no expert, but I'm looking at those cuts
on the arm. I don't think those cuts can be
caused by a bump from a car.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Like there were lacerations, right, So what his testimony was
that they were basically lacerations from not just the bump,
but from the brake, so that the if there was
a clipping or you know, bumping, that that caused the
break and then the brake caused the lacerations. In the
arms as mister O'Keefe was sort of being pushed away.
Speaker 7 (26:54):
And I loved how they basically said that he can
say that, based on what he's viewed, that a car
similar to Karen Reid's Lexus could have done this, But
you can't say that Karen Reid did this.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Right, because that's really a conclusion of fact. Just because
he did say on the stand, you know, this is
what happened. He can't say that, but he can say
it basically exactly what you said. Is close to possible
that a vehicle of the same make and model as
Karen Reid's could have caused these injuries. And I believe
that they did cause.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
These They really paid this guy four hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
It seems like it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I'm experts.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
This is an expert testimony is a big business in
civil and criminal litigation, but it.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
Seems weird that you're paying almost a half million dollars
for somebody you want to say what you have to
have him say.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Well, the interesting thing about experts is that, I mean,
that's ultimately what it is. And that's why I think
it's always important from the observer's perspective to remember that
they are one. They are paid. You know, he testified
that he has previously testified for both the defense for
the state in different jurisdictions. But you know, ultimately the
(28:01):
hope is that you give an expert, you know, the
discovery of the evidence, and they come to their own conclusion.
You know, there is a world where you can the
comus could have given him everything and he didn't come
up with that theory, you know, or came up to
a different conclusion than they would have to provide that
to defense. But just the same as on the other side,
they'll have experts that opine as to their theory and
(28:23):
they'll be paid by them. So that's why sometimes experts
in a way sort of cancel each other out, because
the jury looks at it as like, well, they're all
being paid to sort of say what each side wants
them to pay.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Well, speaking of the jury, Speaking of the jury, there
are a lot of little things that go on inside
the courtroom. This is a tiny room. It's much smaller
than it appears on TV. So you have the weird
stenographer with the mask on her face, right, and every
so often the stenographer will like roll her eyes or
look up and react to something and sometimes the judge
will like roll horriz or something. Is the jury phased
(28:57):
it all by that one way or another.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
I mean they pay attention to everything in my from
my perspective, in not every single jury, but the juris
pay attention to the lawyers, they pay attention to the defendant,
the court. The starcher read the stenography yesterday after when
Attorney Lessie said he would be long as she literally
took the thing offer mouth and her head went back
and she said, oh my god, I.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
Can ask you a question about that device that she
was How do you not get like a rash around
your mouth?
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I don't know, I just as a as a person.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
I know, I've never tried a lot of a lot
of trials. Now we have what's called the for the
rocket system, so it's all digitally recorded. But in big
cases they like to have a stenographer as a backup.
But I mean, think about the fact that she has
to be listening to every single person. It's a difficult job.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
And by the way, get a friend of mine is
a stenographer and she called me she doesn't use the
thing that there are some stenographers that don't loreen. You
know who I'm talking about there's some that don't use them.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
That's right now.
Speaker 7 (29:55):
It's topic time for the Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
It's one of my favorite things we do.
Speaker 11 (30:00):
Lease.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
So we sit here every Thursday with Attorney Catherine Loftus
and we break down the Karen Reed trial, and we
take calls and questions from listeners and talkbacks and such
and and we have the conversation on air. But then
there's the conversation we have off the air, which I
really think we could put what I would love to
put on the air, but anyway, I don't know. Let's
(30:21):
get some talkbacks in justin well.
Speaker 9 (30:23):
A lot of questions on the amount of money the
state is spending on these experts. We talked about that
with Katherine a couple of minutes ago.
Speaker 12 (30:29):
Okay, so why is it okay that the states spent
like four hundred and eighty thousand dollars, you know, all
these experts. But the defense was crucified for spending you know,
under thirty on their experts, just because you know, the
judge knew upfront about this.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
So I don't think it's forty. The number seems to
be to be going up Whichi's thinking. But this is
the thing. The patties get to do whatever they want,
and so it is a lot of money for an expert.
Expert witness testimony is big business and civil and criminal litigation.
They get paid a lot of money. These are engineers.
The question ultimately becomes sort of the comparison between the
(31:08):
Commonwealth paying aperture and the issue about the defense Ocer.
The question about that was who was paying Occer. It
wasn't actually about the money itself, because that was relative
to this allegation that there was not supposed to be
any communication between the defense and OCCER, and then there
(31:29):
was discovered there was a bill. So it's not actually
the dollar amount that that was in contention. It was
the fact that they paid them themselves instead of the fence,
and they didn't present it. That's correct, so right, and
so it wasn't turned over to either the court or
the prosecution because they were supposed to be you know,
they started off obviously as independent witnesses. They were hired
(31:49):
by the United States Attorney's Office for the federal investigation.
Subsequent to that, there was obviously communication with the defense,
and so, you know, but it's a lot of money.
No doubt that the amount paid to apertures is a
lot of money. But the common Wealth gets to do
present their case in the way they want and spend
their money that's allocated to them the way they want.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
And speaking of money, part of our off air conversation
was about jurors who were there for weeks and weeks
and some of them aren't getting paid. Some are, but
some aren't, so they lose income for weeks and weeks.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
That so right, So as we were talking about, nobody
will be sad on a jury if there's a financial hartship.
So if you're going to lose income, you're not going
to be paid, able to pay your bills or dake here,
things like that. That's called the financial hartship, and you
won't be sad on the jury. So there's a presumption
that everybody who's on the jury is either being paid
or doesn't need to be paid, and everybody kind of
(32:39):
gets flushed out the other people who would have problems,
but before they get sad.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Wow. My question for Attorney Loftus is has she ever
seen the Commonwealth spend as much money as they have
trying to nail Karen Reid it's it's unbelievable how much
money it's costing of a legitimate question.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Awesome, if it's a hung jury again, that's right, and
hopefully if it's a hung jury, then that's that'll be
that's the end of it, you know, that's the goal.
The yes. I mean, like I said, experts cost a
lot of money. So if you have complicated cases, it's
not unheard of that you'll have witnesses. You know, this
is an engineer, an engineering firm. I mean, they're build
(33:24):
out probably at hundreds and hundreds of dollars per hour,
and there was quite extensive work, so that adds up
pretty quickly. It is a lot of money, and I
think it's a fair concern. They believe that she's guilty
and seems like they were willing to run.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
It's a taxpayer money, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
So if you think about it, it is taxpayer money.
It is allocated, so it's not as if it's so
it's you know, the diff separate issue. But the budget
is set every year obviously in July by the legislator
and each you know, the Public Defender's Office, the DA's
office is allocated a set amount of money and they
get to spend it anyway they want, whether it's on experts,
whether it's on New DA's things like that. But yes,
(34:01):
it is in fact taxpayer money.
Speaker 4 (34:03):
Part of me thinks you can pay a certain amount
of money that can tilt the case one way or
another based on how much you're spending versus the evidence.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Well, ultimately that's what goes to the weight of what
the testimony is from the experts, and why I always
encourage people to remember that experts opinions are just that,
their opinions that you can take, as you know, in
addition to the evidence that you see presented. But just
like the Commonwealth pays their expert the defense always pays
their experts too, So you essentially have two sides who
are being paid to theorize something Differently.
Speaker 12 (34:33):
If Karen Reid has found not guilty at the end
of this freetrial, what's next for justice for Jonathans.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
In terms of the commonwealth, that would be it. If
she's found not guilty across the board, that ends the case.
They won't pursue anybody else, They won't try anybody else.
They believe that she's guilty. So I'm not guilty to
the commonwealth doesn't equal innocent. It just means that they
didn't prove it, so likely.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
That would be the end of it.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
The civil cases stem then all the civil cases. So
for for Mits Reid, there is obviously the pending civil
case filed on behalf of the estate of John o'keeith,
and then there is likely to be somewhat civil suits
from maybe some of the peripherals.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
So she could never be outside of court, like I mean.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
She's probably gonna be in court for a long time.
Speaker 16 (35:17):
Yeah, good morning everyone. I have been watching the Karen
Reid case for the last trial. Now this trial, the
judge just absolutely annoys crap out of me. But why
does she call a sidebar every time like Alessie gets
going or you know, wants to talk to them about
what they're talking about. I mean, does she not know
how they're going to do this? What's the point of
(35:39):
the sidebar to tell him he can't.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Ask those questions like that.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
I'm just it happens every time.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Yes, So there were there were a couple of issues
of contention yesterday. One of them was the basis for
the Voa deer at the end of the day, in
which the defense wants to ask doctor Walter about troop
of Paul and what information that he had prior to
reviewing the case. That was an issue of contention, as
you saw when that line of questions started, Hankbrun right
(36:07):
away objection of projection, of projection, they go to sideby
because we don't argue the law in front of the jury.
So anytime there's any substantive discussion that needs to be
had about what can come in whether you know, we
have to remember that everything still has to be follow
the rules of evidence, has to be admissible, competent evidence
and relevant to the case.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Can't the jury still hear what they're saying?
Speaker 2 (36:27):
They can't? Actually this generally no, they there's a there's
a what we call a shusher that goes on. So
it's it's like a like in the courtroom that the
clerk's office presses yes so that you can't hear I've
never heard before, yes yes machine.
Speaker 6 (36:46):
It's like you can buy.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
So in the in the sort of recording system, the
clerk will press the So anytime there's a sidebar, because
they're supposed to be private conversations, that's that.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
I was like, the joy is sitting right.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
There and show us something else besides the fan. Yeah,
I mean, you know, really move it around.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
And it's a susar button.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah yeah. So it's like it's like in the computer system,
like in the recording system, but it will physically will
come out of the speakers in the Courtum, you'll everybody
will hear in everybody, all the attorneys and the judge.
We all know you talk kind of quietly, yeah at
sidebar anyway, and then you have the shush on it.
Speaker 4 (37:27):
So that does button have like a piece of duct
tape that actually says I don't I don't know, am.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Not a clerk, I don't know who presses the button?
The clerk?
Speaker 2 (37:38):
Yeah, so the so the people one of the individuals
who are sitting in front of the judge, so they'll, yes,
they'll they'll press it.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
They test the suar button like before they start the.
Speaker 6 (37:48):
Day's I don't know.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
Check who knew this was going to be?
Speaker 9 (37:57):
Hey, Billy, Oh all right, thank you Katine Lotus for
joining us. We'll be back next Thursday, right,
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