June 5, 2025 • 40 mins
The Billy & Lisa Show cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show including todays temperature, and the Karen Read trial! Listen to Billy & Lisa weekdays from 6-10AM on Kiss 108!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now this morning show in Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's just a great start to my day on.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Kiss run Away.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Oh okay, Billy cost they're gonna do the show from
in here.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Bud, Well, he's getting his headphones.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
He's running into my studio. Least. Oh he's running back.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Oh, we got a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I got to hit the button and he goes headphones
and walks out.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
All right here he is three two one, Hello, testing
one too.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
I'm sorry, Okay, it's been a very busy morning.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well, you know what, it's hot.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
It's very hot. That's what I wanted to start with.
But I have a question Lisa, because well you're our
meteorologists on the Billy and Lisa Morning Show. Are you
the closest thing we have to one? They're talking about
the haze. Now, I haven't really felt or seen the
evidence of the haze.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Not today, but yesterday I definitely felt it. There was
a haze. It was filtered sun.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
But do you think to some degree they have exaggerated, you.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
Mean from the wildfires from Canada? Yes, yesterday they didn't.
It was definitely around. Today, not so much. It's actually
bright and beautiful but we might see a little.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Bit this afternoon to watch out for them.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
But again, it's going to be like it's gonna be hot,
like low nineties.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
It was hazy in Salem, New hamp.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, it was definitely very hazy.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Okay again with the Hayes. Okay, so it was very
hazy in New Hampshire, justin Yeah. Did it affect your
day at all?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Not really, but you know, I was in the pool.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Yeah, I wanted I wanted it to be like today,
like bright sunshine.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
You want to see blue skies. Yeah, kind of cloudy.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, it's going to be very hot today, I mean
in the nineties.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Well so hot that they actually suspended the Karen Reid
trial today for the Jerseys.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
That'ame to me that was the excuse yesterday.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
I've been caught a million times in my life, more
times than I can count, never been canceled because.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
It's yeah right.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The one I'll say is that is a very old courthouse.
I don't know they had it.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Because of the fan. Fan they have a fan.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Think of the irony of the Karen Reid trial suspending
proceedings because of the heat when all you see watching
coverage of the trial is the giant fan in the ceiling.
That's a little piece of irony.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I think, really that man's not doing anything up there.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
But anyway, Yeah, there's no testimony, but we do have
Catherine Loftus coming in. What time is she coming in?
Speaker 6 (02:26):
She'll be for topic time, so seven fifteen and then
seven forty, So get your Karen Reid questions ready, leave
us a talkbacker, give us a call because she's coming in.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, it was a pretty crazy week. I mean they
tried to get a mistrial declared earlier this week in
that court rund.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
There was a lot of tension this week. Yeah, a
lot of back and forth.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
But my favorite witness was on the stand yesterday, the
plow driver Lucky.
Speaker 8 (02:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Why I love significant of him because he claims that
he did not see anything when he went by. He
was plowing all night for the town and he claims
that he never saw anything on the front lawn.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Well, of course you didn't. It was a blinding it
actually it was.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
It actually wasn't.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
And the meteorologists that they had on the stand weeks
ago kind of gave the timeline of when the snow
really started to heat up and it really wasn't that
bad in the early morning.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
It was at least really dark, and I think he
was concentrating on plowing.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I honestly think he's one of the most compelling witnesses
I've seen.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I really believe him.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Okay, so he didn't see the body on.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
The ground, he didn't for what he said he did not.
Speaker 9 (03:28):
Yes, I believe that that's true. And also, like Lisa said,
it wasn't snowing that much at the time that he
went by, and when it is snowing, there's street light
that actually is brighter because the lights were reflecting off
the snow, so it's not pitch black like people are.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I'm just saying any went by multiple times. Yeah, yeah,
he did.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Okay, all right, well, Catherine Loftus will commence, You'll have
your answers. But I think it's getting close to winding down.
There seems to be some suggestion the defense isn't going
to be calling that many witnesses.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Karen said that it could be Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh next tuesday, the John app yeah, she said, more
or less.
Speaker 7 (04:04):
Yeah, so wait, it could go to the verdict by
next week, I mean to the jerry by next week.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Yeah, yeah, I have a question I'll ask Katherine. I'll
ask it right now, and I'll ask it again when
Catherine comes in the studio. What time is she coming
in seven to ten this morning? Why not call Proctor
and instead call his friend? Okay, good question. Proctor's the
one we want to hear from. He's the one who
(04:29):
blew the entire case. He was fired for blowing the
entire case. I wanted to hear from him again. But anyway,
that's coming up with Catherine Loftus. So, like Lisa said,
get your questions ready or you talk backs. They can
send them into you right now, right justin always.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
They're always open. That's the beautiful thing about the iHeart app.
It doesn't have to be in the morning right now,
can be any time of day. Just open the iHeart apps.
Kiss one to wait, tap that little microphone.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Best Summer Ever, continues on the Billy and Lease some
morning show this morning. You want to be listening on
the iHeart app. And if you hear a Weekends song,
you just send us a talk back. It's that easy.
You get tickets to see the Weekend out at your
Lede stadia.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah. I came in this morning.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
I was reviewing all the talkbacks from yesterday after the show. Uh,
there's so many, so many good ones. I don't I'm
glad it's not our job to to pick it would
pick whose job is it? By the way, that would
be you know, upper management. Sure, people that don't speak
to us, which is just as well. They're they're too
(05:28):
powerful for exactly. And the Sabrina Carpenter songs coming out
tonight at eight o'clock. Are we going to have a
clip coming up in the entertainment there's no clip, nothing,
but they are saying the song is about you know who?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Oh Barry, Oh, move past him.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I know she's written was taste about him too.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
I mean, I don't know, but she did write on
the teas that this song is about you.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
That was a direct shot at if it's about him.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Him, and we're talking about a homely kid.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, he is a homely kid.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Guys, it wouldn't be my choice.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah. You know who's not homely? Chris Martin and he's available.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Oh my god, so great. We have to talk about
this and.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
We will coming up in the entertainment. Yeah, there's a
breakup in our news this morning. Anyway, entertainment is coming
up next so please hang in with us. We're gonna
have a lot of fun.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
Les go from the Planet Fitness, Kiss Rue Away Studios.
We're back with Villy and Lisa in the morning on
Kiss Now the Entertainment Update with a Villy codstep.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Okay, so the Best Summer Ever continues on the show
this morning. You need to be listening on the iHeart app.
When you hear a Weekend song, you send a talk
back and we'll pick another winner. By the way, at
nine ten this morning. The Weekend has two shows next week,
how at you Let's Stadium, Huge Show, Huge Tour. Meantime,
the new Sabrina Carpenter song Manchild drops tonight at eight o'clock.
(06:57):
We will have it tomorrow morning as part of New
Music Friday. And I guess speculation is the song is
about her ex Barry Keyogan.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's the speculation.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
How long has it been since they broke up a while, Yeah,
but we don't know what's going on, you know, since
they broke up, maybe they tried to get back together.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
We don't know what's happening, you know, Barry Kyogan.
Speaker 10 (07:21):
Okay, so maybe Barry isn't the best looking guy, but
we all saw the end of Saltburn, I mean, come on.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, honestly, that would make me still not want.
Speaker 11 (07:30):
To die.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Impressed really, but I know you didn't see at the
end he dances around fully naked.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, if anything, it made me shrivel up in.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Is Barry Keyogan someone that people want to see naked?
Speaker 7 (07:44):
I actually I'm surprised. I mean, I'm a heterosexual male,
but I thought he was. The women were into him.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Now I didn't. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know they weren't.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I remember you.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And then he told that show and then he pulled
Sabrina he.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Did Yeah, I don't know. He danced naked Timurd on
the dance floor.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Great song, great song. He was He was fine. It
wasn't like he wasn't fine.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
But when he's not even he's not really your type
though either, No.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's not even true. I can first, I don't know
I have a type, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 12 (08:15):
Well, yeah, I think we all know. Yeah there's a
type okay, but very sort of like more my type.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And I have to say that. Yeah he was fine.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, it doesn't stand out, doesn't stand out right to you?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's fine?
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, whatever, whatever you could have left
the pants on.
Speaker 13 (08:41):
Yeah, well, you know who is Lisa's type? Oh my god,
Chris Martin from Coldplay. Remember this moment between Lisa and
Chris Martin from Coldplay checking incredibly relaxed.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I can't even Yeah, I just I adore him.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
He's on the mark. I know.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
After eight years, this is the final final he they
broke up to Coda Johnson.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
They broke up like a year or two ago.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I remember we were talking about it and then they
got back together.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So I don't know what the deal is.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
He's out there, I know, but I'm telling you what
happened eight years together.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Weren't there always rumors about them breaking up getting back together?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They did.
Speaker 9 (09:21):
Yeah, but I'm a firm believer if you don't get
married or engaged with him like two three years, like
you're not, He's just not going to because what's the
hold up?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
They were so cute together.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Oh well, it isn't cold Play coming to town.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
They are in July two shows at Gillette.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
So I have my request in with McCabe to get
tickets because I really want to go to the show,
and I have a request to interview Chris Martin again.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
We have to bring this back fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
It's got to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
It has to happen.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Yeah, oh my, I'm really we all have to like
rally around this.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
A relaxing and.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Very therapeutic catch.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I think he could use some therapy right now.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I can help with Wow. So the trailer for the
Wicked for Good movie hits theaters November twenty first, but
the trailer arrived in theaters yesterday. We have it right,
We're like a cold he like to see dramas.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
To No Distant.
Speaker 14 (10:31):
Kansas.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
It brought me back. I was like welling up again. Really, yeah,
you have to see this movie. I know it's not
in your wheelhouse, no, but it is a beautifully shot movie.
And their friendship is next level, and Cynthia rebo is
like her passion for that role Alphaba is next level.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Well, okay, but I have to ask you a movie
theater question because you are basically the spokesperson for Showcase Cinemas.
I am so people flock to theaters just to see
the trailer that minutes later was going to be streaming.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Yes, but there are going to be some new things
in part two, there's some new songs.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Right right, but again the trailer in theaters and then
you go home.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I don't know this is this is it's big for
a lot.
Speaker 9 (11:22):
Of people, Gianna and McKay, who both works of course Jiana, Yeah, yeah,
she's the big Wicked.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
She told me because I had Gregory maguire at my
book club a few weeks ago, and he created Wicked.
He wrote the book that this whole thing came from Okay,
and she was there and she told him that, and
she told me that this is like the movie that
she goes to when she's It's like her feel good
movie for her comfort movie.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Okay, And I love that for her.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Bill just wouldn't go to the theater to see the trailer.
He would wait until it hit YouTube.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Well, it's yeah, because it's out there right now. If
you want to see the trailer.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, I guess if you're a true fancying and early
seeing it first is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Then you can go to the movie right after.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Exists.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I would love to be that excited.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
About the passion that I really Before Kanye West went crazy,
I went to the theater he had a screening of
an album released thing he did, and I went to
the theater to watch it because I was a big fan.
Well then right after it was released everywhere and everyone
could see it.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's because you.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Feel a part of something that's right, that's bigger than yourself,
but it's like a collective energy that people can share.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And that was a Nazi So well, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Talking about Kanye yeahs change yeah, Bill.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
What would move your needle?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I don't know. I would love to know. You know,
I really have to spend time thinking about the one
thing that would move my needle that much.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
You know, what would move my needle is going to
the Cold Place show and interviewing Chrismas.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
We're going to make this happen.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
There's passion project.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
It doesn't happen, but kid needs to be fired. Can
we work that out? We should make that a condition anyway.
Benson Boone went on Foullin last night talking about his
tour that comes to the TD Garden September second, by.
Speaker 15 (13:09):
Far, the biggest tour I've ever done, and it's a
big moment for me for people to just know who
I am. You go to the show and this is
by far the best performance I will ever up to
this point in my life put on and it's a
full line show. I might even change my outfit during
the show. But I'm really excited to just put myself
(13:31):
into the world and let people just see who Benson
Boone really is.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
So is he gonna have a series of jumpsuits?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Is he giving up the jumpsuit? I hope that the
boy shorts or something?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Benson Boone's entire tour sold out in nine seconds, which
is bizarre. And the new Mariah Carey album comes out tomorrow.
The first single is type Dangerous and She's still looking
for dangers? He hasn't she been looking for danger her
entire career?
Speaker 9 (14:05):
Well, I mean it's gift ninety vibes at the time, yeah, yeh.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Luke combs this week posting a cover of Teddy Swims
song Lose Control.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Don't you know?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Come? We next to me, Come fall in upon in
front of me?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Can't you see.
Speaker 16 (14:35):
Come?
Speaker 5 (14:38):
So, Lisa, does that move your needle?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Not really, not as much.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I'm still trying to decide what would Nothing's going okay,
So here's the deal with the Karen retrial. Okay, Our
in house lawyer Catherine Loftus will join us in the
studio this morning to break down the Karen retrial. This
week's testimony again, if you're just waking up. The trial
will not happen today because of the high heat, but yesterday,
by accident, I couldn't help but notice that Kelly Rippa
(15:11):
is an obsessed fan of the Karen Reid trial.
Speaker 17 (15:14):
I had fun without you.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Oh sure, well.
Speaker 14 (15:17):
Let me guess the Karen retrial.
Speaker 18 (15:20):
Yes, I watched the retrial, of the retrial, of the
coverage of erect Did you glean anything from yesterday's coverage?
Speaker 14 (15:28):
Nothing new?
Speaker 17 (15:29):
I just literally watched court TV all night.
Speaker 14 (15:32):
What are you going to do when the trial is
over in a couple of.
Speaker 17 (15:35):
Weeks, I'm going to roll into whatever the next trial
is that they're going to serve.
Speaker 14 (15:40):
Yes, you should go to law school.
Speaker 17 (15:42):
I you know what I said to myself, I really
did miss my calling. Yes as a judge, jury edge attorney, and.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I would say executioner.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Well, anyway, Loftis joins US seven fifteen this morning, So
get your questions ready. Latest list Forbes list of self
made female billionnaires is out. Oprah is still topping the
list at three point one billion. Kim Kardashian next with
the one point seven Bill, Taylor's with one point six,
Rihanna one billion, and Madonna eight hundred and fifty million.
(16:15):
Beyonce is next then, yet she's on the cover.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh so she's not even making it. She's not even
officially a billionaire.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
And she's not even a billion well together with her
and Jay z are, but she's on the cover.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Where's Kylie Jenner on that list?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
She's on the list. I saw her on the list.
Tyson Ritter is the lead singer of All American Rejects. Yeah,
and he's on OnlyFans Now to promote the band's new single,
Easy Come, Easy Go and Justin. Have they been performing
in backyards now, people's backyards?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yes, they have.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Instead of doing a tour, they've been showing up at parties,
people's backyards and doing live concerts.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Actually a really cool idea.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
They're heading out on tour of the Jonas Brothers in
the Fall.
Speaker 19 (17:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
All American reject.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Yeah, Buddy Rejects, and I'm hanging with Billy Costa speaking
of Only Fans, Only Fans, Star Bonnie Blue.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Oh God, or doing this story, you will.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Have sex with two thousand men in just one day,
and that blessed event will take place June fifteen.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
She's going to be in a box out in public
where people can see her, where you can go by
and pet her. That's what she's saying. I didn't tell
Billy to do this story. I showed him the story.
I didn't know he was going to add it in.
But okay, when.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I walked into your studio, you were laser focused on
the video of the interview with Bonnie Blue.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
How about this?
Speaker 7 (17:49):
I was my internet for This company does not block
any website, but I was curious to see what the
sign up would look like. I was doing research and development.
It blocked me. It wouldn't let me go. iHeart blocked
me from going to the sign up for the bond,
and I can go to any other site. I've never
been blocked. It's the first time.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Other porn sites. Are you looking up during work?
Speaker 7 (18:09):
There's been other research and development projects going on.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I have my own studio, you know. But anyway, Bonnie
Blue is coming up.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Yeah, and don't forget Scooper Bowl final day today. The
Scooper Bowl and Adult Night is tonight, and I hear
Barney Blue will be there. No stop, it got stop
cancer for God to laugh, shaking her.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Head like what Yeah, any questions?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
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Kiss?
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When I wait studios, We're back with a Villy and
Lisa in the morning on Kiss.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Yeah, we've got a lot going on this morning, but
let's get some talkbacks in ingesin.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Well, you mentioned Coldplay in the Entertainment Report. They coming
to Gillette in July. Hopefully Lisa will be in the
in the house, hopefully interviewing Chris Martin. That would be cool,
but yeah, that's gonna be a big show.
Speaker 20 (19:27):
So I would do anything going to go to cold Play.
I called this morning and the lady said that you
guys probably won't do any cold Play tickets even though
it is like a month away. It is kind of
far away.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I know you guys are given away.
Speaker 20 (19:37):
The weekend tickets if you listen on Kiss Went Away,
which I listened all the time. I love you guys,
but I I literally need to know if you guys
are given away cold Play tickets because I need to
mentally and physically prepare so I can buy them, Like
I need to be the first person to call, Like
I need to win these tickets so bad, like I
need them.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Lisa, she may be a bigger fan than you.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Wow, I don't know about that now, and I we
totally get it. So are we getting Coldplay tickets away?
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Not as of right now, but that could change. Oh,
the show's in July.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
It's a little bit of waste, right, It's like mid July.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
We mentioned earlier. Chris Martin is available.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
He broke off his engagement with Dakota Johnson.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
I think it's because he knew he was coming back
to Boston and he's never forgotten to sit down interview
with Lisa.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Yeah, I will say, you know, not as of right now,
but you gotta listen. You gotta listen to Kiss One Away.
Speaker 10 (20:29):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
You never know what we're going to be given away.
So there's that.
Speaker 21 (20:31):
Under related But what is Billy Cass's skin cartine in
every Instagram video I see of the man, he looks
so good. How sure your secrets? Oh?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Let her know? Bill, You and I have a coat
of armor that protects our bodies from the outside world.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
It's our skin.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
We wash it with soap and water.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, Billy washes a lot with soap and water.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Yeah, you know, I don't think you want to follow
my regimen.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
You do have nice skin.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
I must just be an oily person because I take
hot showers several times a day and I washed with
a bar of soap. My wife, Michelle yells at me
every day. What are you washing your face with a
bar of soap? Isn't that what everybody washes their face with?
I guess not.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Is it Dove?
Speaker 5 (21:26):
And I don't use creams a lot.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Do you use Dove Dove soap by Dove soap?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
I use Dove soap too. It is really good, the
green one. It's moisturizing. No, I use the white one.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
I was reading the other day something for oily skin
or if you have you know, skin issues on your face. Yeah,
I'm not joking either. Putting your face in ice cold
water every day? I don't really help with your skin.
That's from one of the top plastic surgeons in the world.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Can I use inflammation, Yeah, sure.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
See there's actually viral videos of people doing that. They
get a bowl, put ice in it and they dunk
their face in it. Yeah, there's actually benef to that. Well,
I might try that. That sounds very refreshing.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, well, that's a nice compliment. She gave you very nice.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Thank you very much, thank you. Yeah, good morning.
Speaker 22 (22:09):
It's the Mayor of the South n Now I'm no
Catherine Loftis, but I'll tell you why they canceled court
today for Karen Reid. It's the ear conditioners. There's about
one hundred people in the courtroom and when they turn
on the ear conditioners, they can't hear the witnesses. So
that's why there's no trial today. So everybody stay cool
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and Catherine Loftis, I believe that plowdriver have a great day.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Me too, Lucky the plow driver.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I don't get the plow driver.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
He was my favorite witness in the last trial. Wow,
just because he's so pure and honest.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, the guy is out pitch black. It's in the
middle of the night, it's in the middle of a blizzard.
He's focusing on plowing the street. He's not going to
notice something in the dark.
Speaker 23 (22:55):
Not sure.
Speaker 9 (22:56):
He said, I'm looking consot looking for people, animals or
cars that don't see me.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
He actually did hit like a like a portable basketball
net or something.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
That night that he testified.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
Okay, yeah, he said he's always looking around. That's like
when he's doing because he doesn't want to hit anything.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Okay, not just sound stupid. So if let's say hypothetically
the body wasn't there, what does that mean that.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
She couldn't have hit him, because where would the body
be two in the morning.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
The body was supposed to be there if she had him.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Can we go back to the air conditioning thing on
why court was canceled today? Soth me get this straight.
They spent four hundred and eighty thousand dollars on experts
the prosecution, but they can't get the air conditioning to
be quieter.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Different budget, baby.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I know, but still it does.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
All the local guy in and he puts a new
filter in, the filter is probably clogged. That's all that
happens with an air conditioner.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
If to cancel core in the filters. That doesn't make
sense to me.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's gonna bet they're canceled court tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
No, no, it goes Yeah, I could the temes go down.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Boy, I've sat in very hot courtrooms, very hot, and
jail cells. Well that's a different story.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Very hot. It was never canceled because of the heat.
Speaker 19 (24:07):
It's hot.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeah, there's no court and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Okay to Karen Reid trot. By the way, it's a
day off in the trial today because it's a little
hot out, so they're not going to be in this
Is that.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Normal to do that?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It's not normal? But no fix.
Speaker 11 (24:26):
Serperia is a very it's a historic building. It's very old.
A lot of these court has houses have these like
old shaky windows with acs make a lot of noise.
And I think because there's so much online coverage of
the case, it probably would be fine in some ways,
you know, in the courtroom, but for us at home
listening in the feed and things, it would be distracting
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a little bit.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Ye all comes becomes so precious, haven't we. It's a
little hot normalness.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
So regarding the cancelation of the Karen retrial because of
the heat, I'm a fifth grade school teacher with eleven
year old twenty five of them stinky bodies with no ac.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Can they kids a school today?
Speaker 11 (25:15):
I always think it's terrible that they don't have a
season the schools teaches. It's tough, yeah, but I think
I mean, overall, it's a decision. They all generally all
make it together. I think because of in most cases
we wouldn't see this, but I think in this particular
set of circumstances, you know, it's this is not the
norm for anything relatives to the Karen Read case. Nothing
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is normal here.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
But she keeps saying, well, we're running ahead of schedule.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yes, yes, I know a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
You know it does.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
But I think in terms of what when the jury
WASNN paneled and being picked, they gave them an estimate
of like how long we think testimony is going to go?
How long deliberations? So whatever they told the jury, it
seems like they're probably probably not too far ahead of schedule,
but at least close to.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
It, and said that they could rest on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
So I think we're only going to hear it from
a few more witnesses, probably just experts at this point
from the defense, and then we'll see if the Commonwealth
puts a rebuttal case on.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
If they do, it would be very brief.
Speaker 11 (26:13):
I think it would only be relative to likely doctor Walcher,
Rabati and Aka and then potentially a dog expert.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
That voice right there is the voice of Attorney Catherine
Loftus who joins us in studio every Thursday morning to
recap the Karen Reid trial. And I don't know if
you are listening on the way in this morning, but
it turns out Kelly Rippa is addicted to the Karen
Reid trial.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
My mo mom told me that this morning.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
She said, I heard Kelly Rippa, so it must have
been she heard it from you guys. So Kelly, give
me a call. I had fun without you.
Speaker 14 (26:48):
Oh sure, let me guess the Karen retrial.
Speaker 18 (26:52):
Yes, I watched the retrial, of the retrial, of the
coverage of rerec Did.
Speaker 14 (26:58):
You glean anything from the from yesterday's coverage? Nothing new?
Speaker 17 (27:01):
I just literally watched court TV all night.
Speaker 14 (27:05):
What are you going to do when the trial is
over in a couple of.
Speaker 17 (27:07):
Weeks, I'm going to roll into whatever the next trial
is that they're going to serve me, Yes, you should
go to law school. I you know what I said
to myself, I really did miss my calling as a judge,
jury edge attorney.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah, I would say executioner as well.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
That's good Mark.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I wonder if she watched the first trial or if
this is all new for her.
Speaker 11 (27:31):
I would bet I have found sort of the coverage
of this case the second time around is much more national,
and there's a lot of people who didn't watch the
first trial and only have come in now and sort
of like, oh, you know, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You know, there's not going on with it.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well, she didn't hear Proctor?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I want to ask that that
was lame to me. So you don't call on Proctor,
who's evil, but you call in his friend.
Speaker 11 (27:56):
So so this is a very this is trial strat, right,
So Hank Brennan doesn't call him because theoretically he has
somebody else to testify to everything that Proctor did, because
there's always another trooper with him, right, and he doesn't
allow the defense to use him to you know, cross
examine him aggressively just like they did the first time.
We saw exactly what happened. So that puts the onus
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on the defense to decide do we want to call
him or not, and they've decided we don't want to
call him. We don't want to you know, there's a
number of risks. I've talked about it on my page.
Not my objection if you want to break down. And
so then they just introduced the text messages through the
through the friend and Hank Brennan actually is the one
who read them.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
So it's really interesting.
Speaker 11 (28:37):
You know, what I think we see here different than
Trial number one, is very very high skilled lawyering on
both sides. So the two sides are constantly reacting to
you know, we're not playing check as anymore, we're playing chess.
And Hank Brennan is you know, really an equal to
Alan Jackson in Alessian Unetti. So this sort of volley
back and forth about what do we do now he
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didn't call him? Do we talk about it?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Now one of the big hindhlines this past week was
the defense requesting a mistrial. Did the defense really think
that that judge was going to give them a mistrial?
Speaker 11 (29:11):
Well, I don't think they could have thought that on
that basis, because I think it's there was not a
sound foundation in the law. I mean, listen, the argument
was the question to doctor Russell from Hank Brennan was about,
you know, did you know that there wasn't any dog DNA?
Did you take this into consideration. She has previously testified
at her Voadia hearings that she did know this and
did take it into consideration.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
The objection was that.
Speaker 11 (29:33):
Because it didn't come in in the Comwell's case in chief,
that it constituted a mistrial shouldn't come in. You know,
I think that it's unpopular just to caveat that. I
think it is a little bit of an indication that
they have some concern that there's a potential for conviction
and they're looking for potentially a way out.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
The judge won't even allow the defense and objection that
think she's going to allow them a mistrial.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
I mean, I mean ultimately, and I know that you know,
there's a lot of critique of the judge and the decisions. Ultimately,
each decision has to come down to whether there's you know,
it's meritorious based on the legal argument. And the legal
argument to me here was clear that you know you
have the right to cross exams.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Just like think about it.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
If the komwall said it was a dog bite, would
the defense be able to get up and say, but
you didn't did you know that there was no dog DNA?
Of course they would. That's a that's a permissible line
of inquiry for cross. But it was certainly it was
a vociferous argument.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Right now, it's topic time for the Billy and Lisa
in the morning.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Yeah, the topic time every Thursday morning is the Karen
Reid trial. We have our own in the house lawyer
Catherine Loftus. Note my objection is where they find you, right.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
That's right, all platforms note my objection.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Okay, and you get to call in your question six
one seven, nine three one one one Wait, Lisa one.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
So we need to talk about Lucky the plow driver
and how impactful his testimony was, yes or no?
Speaker 11 (30:55):
Yeah, I mean I think he's a very credible witness.
He comes across as somebody who's you know, just from
the doing his genuine genuine you know, I think he
genuinely didn't see anybody there that night. Ultimately it goes
to you know, the weight of the testimony, and the
Jerry will look at again each individual witness, and they'll say,
did he actually not see something? The question really is
did he not see a body because there wasn't a
(31:16):
body there? Or did he not see a body because
he wasn't looking, you know, and didn't see you know.
There's two sort of possibilities from that, but I thought
he was definitely a beneficial witness for the defense for
sual officer.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
All right, let's go to Olivia in Boston. Olivia, you
have a question for Attorney Loftus.
Speaker 19 (31:33):
Oh hi, I'm so excited to talk to you guys.
I actually, on a side note, I did meet Alan
Jackson last week, but regarding the at Boston Logan Airport, actually.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Wow, do you know?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Okay, Olivia, I.
Speaker 19 (31:50):
Have photo eminence. But anyways, my questions regarding the witness,
Kelly Deaver or should I say Dever and how her
kind of how her like hostility and combativeness affects, you know,
the testimony at large, and even Alan Jackson's response to it,
(32:11):
and like, would that have been a better opportunity for
him to kind of let her be the bad guy
and play nice because I feel like she really did
not make herself look good or for the prosecution.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 11 (32:24):
I don't think she came across well either way when
she was so she was called by the defense and
then cross examined by the Commonwealth. You know, she was
pretty combative and hostile both times. And I think that's
actually a really good point to you know, showcases that
she Attorney Jackson almost didn't need to go aggressively at
her because she really did it herself. She took pains
(32:45):
to go out of her way not to answer questions,
you know, things that that are Listen. It's clear she
doesn't want to be there. She doesn't want to be testifying.
She you know, said something at one point she's changing
her story. This is a way to testify to that
in a manner her that's you know, not you not
combat of But she just painted herself in a very you.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Know, poor poor light. I kind of liked her.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
The process.
Speaker 16 (33:14):
She's good morning, team, I'm looking forward to listening to
Catherine Loftus again today. Could you please ask her? Does
she think that Higgins or any of the Alberts are
going to be on the stand. I hope they are.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Have a good.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Day, good morning. I don't think so.
Speaker 11 (33:36):
So we heard from Karen read yesterday outside and she
anticipates that they'll wrap up with their testimony by Tuesday.
So obviously we have a day off today, so that's
only Friday, Monday, and Tuesday. I expect it's going to
be at least the two ACA witnesses, doctor Wolf and
doctor Wrenchler, and then likely doctor Lopisado, who is the neuropathologist,
(33:56):
And I think that might be it. So I don't
think we're not gonna hear from Michael Pro, We're not
going to hear from Brian Higgins, We're not going to
hear from Brian Albert. You know, it really goes to
showcase how different a trial can be if you have
the second chance to do it, and sort of the
strategy that Attorney Brennan had in presenting the Comwall's case,
and what it does is it forces the defense mid
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trial to you know, to sort of reevaluate. And that's
what when you see good lawyers on both sides, this
is what you see sort of this volley back and
forth and game time decisions do we call this person,
do we not call this person?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
How they going to help us out? Were going to hurt?
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Those witnesses were the meat of the first trial.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
They were, well, and that's what's fascinating.
Speaker 11 (34:37):
You know, if you had told us six months ago
that none of these witnesses were be called, we'd be shocked.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
It was the meat and the drama and the aha moment, yes.
Speaker 11 (34:45):
The first trial, which we haven't had. That's right, No,
we haven't had that at all. So what Attorney Brennan did,
he really really, in many ways, kind of boxed the
defense in by limiting who he called. He didn't call
Adam Leley in the first trial essentially handed up the
the case to the defense. With all these witnesses, you
just put them on the stand and then they were
eviscerated one by one by one. Hank Brennan didn't allow
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that to happen. And so what that does is for us,
the defense, to say, do we want to call them
on our own and then let Brennan cross them? And
so they've made a strategic decision not to do that.
Speaker 24 (35:15):
Good morning everyone. I am following the car trial. I
was doing it last trial, I'm doing it this trial.
I Chattel lot with like Channel ten or whatever. I'm streaming.
It's like a little family now. But is it me?
Speaker 23 (35:29):
Or is Hank being really being too people like meaner
than JACKXM. Like when you asked that a dog expert
if her she had a bad memory, I saw her
mouth just fall open. But he's just literally irritating me.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
I think it feels a little bit to me sometimes
that it's it is both sides. It depends on which
side on the IIA. So the aggressive cross examination by
Alessi or Jackson. You know, if you're on the free
carrys side, you really like it and then you hate
Brennan and sort of vice versa. From my perspective, this
is what cross is supposed to be. It's always aggressive.
(36:04):
The whole entire point as an attorney is to annoy
somebody and get under this skin so much break you
literally basically break them down on the winn says, And
there's all different ways of doing that. Not everyone is
you know, Alan Jackson is like bombask and you know
fast and how to write at you. Hank Brendan is
a little bit more. You know, he's got like the
nasally old voice and that kind of thing. It's a
(36:25):
different style, but ultimately the goal is all the same
to break them fluster.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Yes, you get another one just actually I actually, yes,
that's witty.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
Do you feel like because if we've seen both trials
we had Adam Reley, I don't want to crap on him.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
He's probably a nice person.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
He was so monotone and had really no passion that
I think that Hank has more of a voice. You're
thinking he's more aggressive where Alli was just not like
just gave it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, we really heard the same.
Speaker 11 (36:51):
You know, inflection and tone really does matter in terms
of lawyering and how you ask the question, like which
words you focus on? Disney voice go up to you?
Is it a cute usory? Is it not you being gentle?
You know you look like even with doctor Russell Invoidia,
Hank Brennan was very aggressive with her verbally.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He wasn't so much that you know, he was a
little bit softer.
Speaker 11 (37:10):
He handles her, you know, kind of with kid gloves,
as you would say, but you you are able to
discern what he's trying to get across. With Adam Lalley,
it sort of was the same across the board.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Very did you lose your memory? That would have been him, right,
memory right, right, right, just.
Speaker 11 (37:25):
The same and so and so the jury doesn't know
what are we supposed to be focusing on. You know,
the job as a lawyer is through the not only
what your questions are, but how you ask the questions
to get the jury.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
This is what I want you to think, and this
is what I want you to focus on.
Speaker 19 (37:39):
What is the good lawyer?
Speaker 9 (37:43):
Experts are experts, and both sides present experts say.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
That five times fast.
Speaker 19 (37:50):
How was juror supposed to decide which experts is correct?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
That's a really good question.
Speaker 11 (37:57):
So, you know, I think the most poe thing that
I try to impress upon people watching these trials is
that sometimes you have experts who are of different sort
of degree. So in trial number one, we had say,
Trooper Paul and AKA right. So from just sort of
like on the on its face, we have two different
sort of one seems more credible than the other.
Speaker 22 (38:18):
Right.
Speaker 11 (38:18):
But in this instance we have Aperture and Judson Waltcha
who's a PhD accident reconstructionist, and then we're gonna have
AKA a lot of times, what happens is if you
have two qualified experts who are looking at the same
data and come to completely different conclusions, they almost cancel
each other out. Because if you can't pick one over
the other, and so then what happens is they go
back to the evidence that they can you know, okay,
(38:40):
we can all look at this and let's make a decision.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
We're going to take everything else.
Speaker 11 (38:44):
And so that's what happens with a lot of witnesses
is they essentially cancel each other out and the jury
focuses on what they have left.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Wow, you must remember if it doesn't quit fit, you
must have But you're convinced there will be a third trial, right.
Speaker 11 (39:00):
No, no, no, oh god, no, Billy, let's not put
that energy into the world right now.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Okay, I don't know if I can stomach covering it there.
Speaker 11 (39:09):
No, I mean I think, listen, I think there's a
I think there's a real likelihood that there's another mistrial
on count number two. You know, I don't think I
think it'll be similar to the first time. There's not
guilty on the murder likely and not guilty on the
leaving the scene because those also those all required to
get into your mental state, right the manslaughter. I think
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she has a chance of being convicted, but there's also
a very high chance of a mistrial.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
Wow, another trial Billy.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I hope not.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
They should not.
Speaker 11 (39:39):
If they it's my position, I'll put it on the
reck now. If there is a mistrial from a jury,
it's it's the wrong thing to do to retry her.
If they're the comment, they should not retry her if
you can. If you don't have a verdict after two trials,
then that means that people can't decide. Then it's up
in the end.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Yeah, let's go to Johnny Online one.
Speaker 14 (39:55):
Remember these words, if it doesn't fit, you must have quit.
Speaker 13 (40:00):
He was the lawyer classical classic
Now this morning show in Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
It's just a great start to my day on.
Speaker 3 (00:06):
Kiss run Away.
Speaker 4 (00:09):
Oh okay, Billy cost they're gonna do the show from
in here.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Bud, Well, he's getting his headphones.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
He's running into my studio. Least. Oh he's running back.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Oh, we got a lot going on.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I got to hit the button and he goes headphones
and walks out.
Speaker 4 (00:23):
All right here he is three two one, Hello, testing
one too.
Speaker 5 (00:27):
I'm sorry, Okay, it's been a very busy morning.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Well, you know what, it's hot.
Speaker 5 (00:33):
It's very hot. That's what I wanted to start with.
But I have a question Lisa, because well you're our
meteorologists on the Billy and Lisa Morning Show. Are you
the closest thing we have to one? They're talking about
the haze. Now, I haven't really felt or seen the
evidence of the haze.
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Not today, but yesterday I definitely felt it. There was
a haze. It was filtered sun.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
But do you think to some degree they have exaggerated, you.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
Mean from the wildfires from Canada? Yes, yesterday they didn't.
It was definitely around. Today, not so much. It's actually
bright and beautiful but we might see a little.
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Bit this afternoon to watch out for them.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
But again, it's going to be like it's gonna be hot,
like low nineties.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
It was hazy in Salem, New hamp.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, it was definitely very hazy.
Speaker 5 (01:19):
Okay again with the Hayes. Okay, so it was very
hazy in New Hampshire, justin Yeah. Did it affect your
day at all?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Not really, but you know, I was in the pool.
Speaker 6 (01:30):
Yeah, I wanted I wanted it to be like today,
like bright sunshine.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
You want to see blue skies. Yeah, kind of cloudy.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, it's going to be very hot today, I mean
in the nineties.
Speaker 6 (01:41):
Well so hot that they actually suspended the Karen Reid
trial today for the Jerseys.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
That'ame to me that was the excuse yesterday.
Speaker 7 (01:50):
I've been caught a million times in my life, more
times than I can count, never been canceled because.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
It's yeah right.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The one I'll say is that is a very old courthouse.
I don't know they had it.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Because of the fan. Fan they have a fan.
Speaker 5 (02:05):
Think of the irony of the Karen Reid trial suspending
proceedings because of the heat when all you see watching
coverage of the trial is the giant fan in the ceiling.
That's a little piece of irony.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
I think, really that man's not doing anything up there.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
But anyway, Yeah, there's no testimony, but we do have
Catherine Loftus coming in. What time is she coming in?
Speaker 6 (02:26):
She'll be for topic time, so seven fifteen and then
seven forty, So get your Karen Reid questions ready, leave
us a talkbacker, give us a call because she's coming in.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Yeah, it was a pretty crazy week. I mean they
tried to get a mistrial declared earlier this week in
that court rund.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
There was a lot of tension this week. Yeah, a
lot of back and forth.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
But my favorite witness was on the stand yesterday, the
plow driver Lucky.
Speaker 8 (02:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (02:47):
Why I love significant of him because he claims that
he did not see anything when he went by. He
was plowing all night for the town and he claims
that he never saw anything on the front lawn.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Well, of course you didn't. It was a blinding it
actually it was.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
It actually wasn't.
Speaker 6 (03:02):
And the meteorologists that they had on the stand weeks
ago kind of gave the timeline of when the snow
really started to heat up and it really wasn't that
bad in the early morning.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
It was at least really dark, and I think he
was concentrating on plowing.
Speaker 6 (03:17):
I honestly think he's one of the most compelling witnesses
I've seen.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I really believe him.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Okay, so he didn't see the body on.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
The ground, he didn't for what he said he did not.
Speaker 9 (03:28):
Yes, I believe that that's true. And also, like Lisa said,
it wasn't snowing that much at the time that he
went by, and when it is snowing, there's street light
that actually is brighter because the lights were reflecting off
the snow, so it's not pitch black like people are.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
I'm just saying any went by multiple times. Yeah, yeah,
he did.
Speaker 5 (03:47):
Okay, all right, well, Catherine Loftus will commence, You'll have
your answers. But I think it's getting close to winding down.
There seems to be some suggestion the defense isn't going
to be calling that many witnesses.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Karen said that it could be Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
Oh next tuesday, the John app yeah, she said, more
or less.
Speaker 7 (04:04):
Yeah, so wait, it could go to the verdict by
next week, I mean to the jerry by next week.
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Yeah, yeah, I have a question I'll ask Katherine. I'll
ask it right now, and I'll ask it again when
Catherine comes in the studio. What time is she coming
in seven to ten this morning? Why not call Proctor
and instead call his friend? Okay, good question. Proctor's the
one we want to hear from. He's the one who
(04:29):
blew the entire case. He was fired for blowing the
entire case. I wanted to hear from him again. But anyway,
that's coming up with Catherine Loftus. So, like Lisa said,
get your questions ready or you talk backs. They can
send them into you right now, right justin always.
Speaker 7 (04:44):
They're always open. That's the beautiful thing about the iHeart app.
It doesn't have to be in the morning right now,
can be any time of day. Just open the iHeart apps.
Kiss one to wait, tap that little microphone.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Best Summer Ever, continues on the Billy and Lease some
morning show this morning. You want to be listening on
the iHeart app. And if you hear a Weekends song,
you just send us a talk back. It's that easy.
You get tickets to see the Weekend out at your
Lede stadia.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Yeah. I came in this morning.
Speaker 7 (05:07):
I was reviewing all the talkbacks from yesterday after the show. Uh,
there's so many, so many good ones. I don't I'm
glad it's not our job to to pick it would
pick whose job is it? By the way, that would
be you know, upper management. Sure, people that don't speak
to us, which is just as well. They're they're too
(05:28):
powerful for exactly. And the Sabrina Carpenter songs coming out
tonight at eight o'clock. Are we going to have a
clip coming up in the entertainment there's no clip, nothing,
but they are saying the song is about you know who?
Speaker 6 (05:42):
Oh Barry, Oh, move past him.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
I know she's written was taste about him too.
Speaker 7 (05:49):
I mean, I don't know, but she did write on
the teas that this song is about you.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
That was a direct shot at if it's about him.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
Him, and we're talking about a homely kid.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Yeah, he is a homely kid.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Guys, it wouldn't be my choice.
Speaker 5 (06:03):
Yeah. You know who's not homely? Chris Martin and he's available.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Oh my god, so great. We have to talk about
this and.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
We will coming up in the entertainment. Yeah, there's a
breakup in our news this morning. Anyway, entertainment is coming
up next so please hang in with us. We're gonna
have a lot of fun.
Speaker 8 (06:22):
Les go from the Planet Fitness, Kiss Rue Away Studios.
We're back with Villy and Lisa in the morning on
Kiss Now the Entertainment Update with a Villy codstep.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
Okay, so the Best Summer Ever continues on the show
this morning. You need to be listening on the iHeart app.
When you hear a Weekend song, you send a talk
back and we'll pick another winner. By the way, at
nine ten this morning. The Weekend has two shows next week,
how at you Let's Stadium, Huge Show, Huge Tour. Meantime,
the new Sabrina Carpenter song Manchild drops tonight at eight o'clock.
(06:57):
We will have it tomorrow morning as part of New
Music Friday. And I guess speculation is the song is
about her ex Barry Keyogan.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That's the speculation.
Speaker 5 (07:10):
How long has it been since they broke up a while, Yeah,
but we don't know what's going on, you know, since
they broke up, maybe they tried to get back together.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
We don't know what's happening, you know, Barry Kyogan.
Speaker 10 (07:21):
Okay, so maybe Barry isn't the best looking guy, but
we all saw the end of Saltburn, I mean, come on.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Yeah, honestly, that would make me still not want.
Speaker 11 (07:30):
To die.
Speaker 7 (07:32):
Impressed really, but I know you didn't see at the
end he dances around fully naked.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Yeah, if anything, it made me shrivel up in.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Is Barry Keyogan someone that people want to see naked?
Speaker 7 (07:44):
I actually I'm surprised. I mean, I'm a heterosexual male,
but I thought he was. The women were into him.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Now I didn't. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't know they weren't.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
I remember you.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And then he told that show and then he pulled
Sabrina he.
Speaker 6 (07:56):
Did Yeah, I don't know. He danced naked Timurd on
the dance floor.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Great song, great song. He was He was fine. It
wasn't like he wasn't fine.
Speaker 7 (08:07):
But when he's not even he's not really your type
though either, No.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
That's not even true. I can first, I don't know
I have a type, but I appreciate it.
Speaker 12 (08:15):
Well, yeah, I think we all know. Yeah there's a
type okay, but very sort of like more my type.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
And I have to say that. Yeah he was fine.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, it doesn't stand out, doesn't stand out right to you?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
It's fine?
Speaker 9 (08:36):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, whatever, whatever you could have left
the pants on.
Speaker 13 (08:41):
Yeah, well, you know who is Lisa's type? Oh my god,
Chris Martin from Coldplay. Remember this moment between Lisa and
Chris Martin from Coldplay checking incredibly relaxed.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I can't even Yeah, I just I adore him.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
He's on the mark. I know.
Speaker 6 (09:01):
After eight years, this is the final final he they
broke up to Coda Johnson.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
They broke up like a year or two ago.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
I remember we were talking about it and then they
got back together.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
So I don't know what the deal is.
Speaker 6 (09:13):
He's out there, I know, but I'm telling you what
happened eight years together.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Weren't there always rumors about them breaking up getting back together?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
They did.
Speaker 9 (09:21):
Yeah, but I'm a firm believer if you don't get
married or engaged with him like two three years, like
you're not, He's just not going to because what's the
hold up?
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I don't understand it.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
They were so cute together.
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Oh well, it isn't cold Play coming to town.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
They are in July two shows at Gillette.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
So I have my request in with McCabe to get
tickets because I really want to go to the show,
and I have a request to interview Chris Martin again.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
We have to bring this back fifteen years.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
It's got to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
It has to happen.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
Yeah, oh my, I'm really we all have to like
rally around this.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
A relaxing and.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Very therapeutic catch.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
I think he could use some therapy right now.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
I can help with Wow. So the trailer for the
Wicked for Good movie hits theaters November twenty first, but
the trailer arrived in theaters yesterday. We have it right,
We're like a cold he like to see dramas.
Speaker 10 (10:27):
To No Distant.
Speaker 14 (10:31):
Kansas.
Speaker 6 (10:38):
It brought me back. I was like welling up again. Really, yeah,
you have to see this movie. I know it's not
in your wheelhouse, no, but it is a beautifully shot movie.
And their friendship is next level, and Cynthia rebo is
like her passion for that role Alphaba is next level.
Speaker 5 (10:56):
Well, okay, but I have to ask you a movie
theater question because you are basically the spokesperson for Showcase Cinemas.
I am so people flock to theaters just to see
the trailer that minutes later was going to be streaming.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Yes, but there are going to be some new things
in part two, there's some new songs.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
Right right, but again the trailer in theaters and then
you go home.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
I don't know this is this is it's big for
a lot.
Speaker 9 (11:22):
Of people, Gianna and McKay, who both works of course Jiana, Yeah, yeah,
she's the big Wicked.
Speaker 6 (11:28):
She told me because I had Gregory maguire at my
book club a few weeks ago, and he created Wicked.
He wrote the book that this whole thing came from Okay,
and she was there and she told him that, and
she told me that this is like the movie that
she goes to when she's It's like her feel good
movie for her comfort movie.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
Okay, And I love that for her.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Bill just wouldn't go to the theater to see the trailer.
He would wait until it hit YouTube.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Well, it's yeah, because it's out there right now. If
you want to see the trailer.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
Yeah, I guess if you're a true fancying and early
seeing it first is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Then you can go to the movie right after.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Exists.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
I would love to be that excited.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
About the passion that I really Before Kanye West went crazy,
I went to the theater he had a screening of
an album released thing he did, and I went to
the theater to watch it because I was a big fan.
Well then right after it was released everywhere and everyone
could see it.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
It's because you.
Speaker 6 (12:25):
Feel a part of something that's right, that's bigger than yourself,
but it's like a collective energy that people can share.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
And that was a Nazi So well, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Talking about Kanye yeahs change yeah, Bill.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
What would move your needle?
Speaker 5 (12:40):
I don't know. I would love to know. You know,
I really have to spend time thinking about the one
thing that would move my needle that much.
Speaker 6 (12:49):
You know, what would move my needle is going to
the Cold Place show and interviewing Chrismas.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
We're going to make this happen.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
There's passion project.
Speaker 5 (12:56):
It doesn't happen, but kid needs to be fired. Can
we work that out? We should make that a condition anyway.
Benson Boone went on Foullin last night talking about his
tour that comes to the TD Garden September second, by.
Speaker 15 (13:09):
Far, the biggest tour I've ever done, and it's a
big moment for me for people to just know who
I am. You go to the show and this is
by far the best performance I will ever up to
this point in my life put on and it's a
full line show. I might even change my outfit during
the show. But I'm really excited to just put myself
(13:31):
into the world and let people just see who Benson
Boone really is.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
So is he gonna have a series of jumpsuits?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Is he giving up the jumpsuit? I hope that the
boy shorts or something?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Right.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Benson Boone's entire tour sold out in nine seconds, which
is bizarre. And the new Mariah Carey album comes out tomorrow.
The first single is type Dangerous and She's still looking
for dangers? He hasn't she been looking for danger her
entire career?
Speaker 9 (14:05):
Well, I mean it's gift ninety vibes at the time, yeah, yeh.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Luke combs this week posting a cover of Teddy Swims
song Lose Control.
Speaker 6 (14:13):
Don't you know?
Speaker 5 (14:17):
Come? We next to me, Come fall in upon in
front of me?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Can't you see.
Speaker 16 (14:35):
Come?
Speaker 5 (14:38):
So, Lisa, does that move your needle?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Not really, not as much.
Speaker 5 (14:44):
I'm still trying to decide what would Nothing's going okay,
So here's the deal with the Karen retrial. Okay, Our
in house lawyer Catherine Loftus will join us in the
studio this morning to break down the Karen retrial. This
week's testimony again, if you're just waking up. The trial
will not happen today because of the high heat, but yesterday,
by accident, I couldn't help but notice that Kelly Rippa
(15:11):
is an obsessed fan of the Karen Reid trial.
Speaker 17 (15:14):
I had fun without you.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Oh sure, well.
Speaker 14 (15:17):
Let me guess the Karen retrial.
Speaker 18 (15:20):
Yes, I watched the retrial, of the retrial, of the
coverage of erect Did you glean anything from yesterday's coverage?
Speaker 14 (15:28):
Nothing new?
Speaker 17 (15:29):
I just literally watched court TV all night.
Speaker 14 (15:32):
What are you going to do when the trial is
over in a couple of.
Speaker 17 (15:35):
Weeks, I'm going to roll into whatever the next trial
is that they're going to serve.
Speaker 14 (15:40):
Yes, you should go to law school.
Speaker 17 (15:42):
I you know what I said to myself, I really
did miss my calling. Yes as a judge, jury edge attorney, and.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
I would say executioner.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Well, anyway, Loftis joins US seven fifteen this morning, So
get your questions ready. Latest list Forbes list of self
made female billionnaires is out. Oprah is still topping the
list at three point one billion. Kim Kardashian next with
the one point seven Bill, Taylor's with one point six,
Rihanna one billion, and Madonna eight hundred and fifty million.
(16:15):
Beyonce is next then, yet she's on the cover.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Oh so she's not even making it. She's not even
officially a billionaire.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
And she's not even a billion well together with her
and Jay z are, but she's on the cover.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Where's Kylie Jenner on that list?
Speaker 5 (16:31):
She's on the list. I saw her on the list.
Tyson Ritter is the lead singer of All American Rejects. Yeah,
and he's on OnlyFans Now to promote the band's new single,
Easy Come, Easy Go and Justin. Have they been performing
in backyards now, people's backyards?
Speaker 4 (16:49):
Yes, they have.
Speaker 7 (16:50):
Instead of doing a tour, they've been showing up at parties,
people's backyards and doing live concerts.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Actually a really cool idea.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
They're heading out on tour of the Jonas Brothers in
the Fall.
Speaker 19 (17:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
All American reject.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Yeah, Buddy Rejects, and I'm hanging with Billy Costa speaking
of Only Fans, Only Fans, Star Bonnie Blue.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Oh God, or doing this story, you will.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Have sex with two thousand men in just one day,
and that blessed event will take place June fifteen.
Speaker 7 (17:26):
She's going to be in a box out in public
where people can see her, where you can go by
and pet her. That's what she's saying. I didn't tell
Billy to do this story. I showed him the story.
I didn't know he was going to add it in.
But okay, when.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
I walked into your studio, you were laser focused on
the video of the interview with Bonnie Blue.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
How about this?
Speaker 7 (17:49):
I was my internet for This company does not block
any website, but I was curious to see what the
sign up would look like. I was doing research and development.
It blocked me. It wouldn't let me go. iHeart blocked
me from going to the sign up for the bond,
and I can go to any other site. I've never
been blocked. It's the first time.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Other porn sites. Are you looking up during work?
Speaker 7 (18:09):
There's been other research and development projects going on.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
I have my own studio, you know. But anyway, Bonnie
Blue is coming up.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Yeah, and don't forget Scooper Bowl final day today. The
Scooper Bowl and Adult Night is tonight, and I hear
Barney Blue will be there. No stop, it got stop
cancer for God to laugh, shaking her.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
Head like what Yeah, any questions?
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Is it a cardboard box, it's glass.
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When I wait studios, We're back with a Villy and
Lisa in the morning on Kiss.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Yeah, we've got a lot going on this morning, but
let's get some talkbacks in ingesin.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Well, you mentioned Coldplay in the Entertainment Report. They coming
to Gillette in July. Hopefully Lisa will be in the
in the house, hopefully interviewing Chris Martin. That would be cool,
but yeah, that's gonna be a big show.
Speaker 20 (19:27):
So I would do anything going to go to cold Play.
I called this morning and the lady said that you
guys probably won't do any cold Play tickets even though
it is like a month away. It is kind of
far away.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
I know you guys are given away.
Speaker 20 (19:37):
The weekend tickets if you listen on Kiss Went Away,
which I listened all the time. I love you guys,
but I I literally need to know if you guys
are given away cold Play tickets because I need to
mentally and physically prepare so I can buy them, Like
I need to be the first person to call, Like
I need to win these tickets so bad, like I
need them.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Lisa, she may be a bigger fan than you.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Wow, I don't know about that now, and I we
totally get it. So are we getting Coldplay tickets away?
Speaker 7 (20:02):
Not as of right now, but that could change. Oh,
the show's in July.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
It's a little bit of waste, right, It's like mid July.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
We mentioned earlier. Chris Martin is available.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
He broke off his engagement with Dakota Johnson.
Speaker 5 (20:16):
I think it's because he knew he was coming back
to Boston and he's never forgotten to sit down interview
with Lisa.
Speaker 7 (20:23):
Yeah, I will say, you know, not as of right now,
but you gotta listen. You gotta listen to Kiss One Away.
Speaker 10 (20:29):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
You never know what we're going to be given away.
So there's that.
Speaker 21 (20:31):
Under related But what is Billy Cass's skin cartine in
every Instagram video I see of the man, he looks
so good. How sure your secrets? Oh?
Speaker 4 (20:49):
Let her know? Bill, You and I have a coat
of armor that protects our bodies from the outside world.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
It's our skin.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
We wash it with soap and water.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Yeah, Billy washes a lot with soap and water.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
Yeah, you know, I don't think you want to follow
my regimen.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
You do have nice skin.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
I must just be an oily person because I take
hot showers several times a day and I washed with
a bar of soap. My wife, Michelle yells at me
every day. What are you washing your face with a
bar of soap? Isn't that what everybody washes their face with?
I guess not.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
Is it Dove?
Speaker 5 (21:26):
And I don't use creams a lot.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Do you use Dove Dove soap by Dove soap?
Speaker 6 (21:32):
I use Dove soap too. It is really good, the
green one. It's moisturizing. No, I use the white one.
Speaker 7 (21:37):
I was reading the other day something for oily skin
or if you have you know, skin issues on your face. Yeah,
I'm not joking either. Putting your face in ice cold
water every day? I don't really help with your skin.
That's from one of the top plastic surgeons in the world.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Can I use inflammation, Yeah, sure.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
See there's actually viral videos of people doing that. They
get a bowl, put ice in it and they dunk
their face in it. Yeah, there's actually benef to that. Well,
I might try that. That sounds very refreshing.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Yeah, well, that's a nice compliment. She gave you very nice.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Thank you very much, thank you. Yeah, good morning.
Speaker 22 (22:09):
It's the Mayor of the South n Now I'm no
Catherine Loftis, but I'll tell you why they canceled court
today for Karen Reid. It's the ear conditioners. There's about
one hundred people in the courtroom and when they turn
on the ear conditioners, they can't hear the witnesses. So
that's why there's no trial today. So everybody stay cool
(22:29):
and Catherine Loftis, I believe that plowdriver have a great day.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Me too, Lucky the plow driver.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I don't get the plow driver.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
He was my favorite witness in the last trial. Wow,
just because he's so pure and honest.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, the guy is out pitch black. It's in the
middle of the night, it's in the middle of a blizzard.
He's focusing on plowing the street. He's not going to
notice something in the dark.
Speaker 23 (22:55):
Not sure.
Speaker 9 (22:56):
He said, I'm looking consot looking for people, animals or
cars that don't see me.
Speaker 6 (23:00):
He actually did hit like a like a portable basketball
net or something.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
That night that he testified.
Speaker 9 (23:07):
Okay, yeah, he said he's always looking around. That's like
when he's doing because he doesn't want to hit anything.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Okay, not just sound stupid. So if let's say hypothetically
the body wasn't there, what does that mean that.
Speaker 9 (23:19):
She couldn't have hit him, because where would the body
be two in the morning.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
The body was supposed to be there if she had him.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah, yeah, yep.
Speaker 7 (23:27):
Can we go back to the air conditioning thing on
why court was canceled today? Soth me get this straight.
They spent four hundred and eighty thousand dollars on experts
the prosecution, but they can't get the air conditioning to
be quieter.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Different budget, baby.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I know, but still it does.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
All the local guy in and he puts a new
filter in, the filter is probably clogged. That's all that
happens with an air conditioner.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
If to cancel core in the filters. That doesn't make
sense to me.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
It's gonna bet they're canceled court tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
No, no, it goes Yeah, I could the temes go down.
Speaker 7 (23:58):
Boy, I've sat in very hot courtrooms, very hot, and
jail cells. Well that's a different story.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Very hot. It was never canceled because of the heat.
Speaker 19 (24:07):
It's hot.
Speaker 4 (24:07):
Yeah, there's no court and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Okay to Karen Reid trot. By the way, it's a
day off in the trial today because it's a little
hot out, so they're not going to be in this
Is that.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Normal to do that?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It's not normal? But no fix.
Speaker 11 (24:26):
Serperia is a very it's a historic building. It's very old.
A lot of these court has houses have these like
old shaky windows with acs make a lot of noise.
And I think because there's so much online coverage of
the case, it probably would be fine in some ways,
you know, in the courtroom, but for us at home
listening in the feed and things, it would be distracting
(24:47):
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Ye all comes becomes so precious, haven't we. It's a
little hot normalness.
Speaker 10 (24:54):
So regarding the cancelation of the Karen retrial because of
the heat, I'm a fifth grade school teacher with eleven
year old twenty five of them stinky bodies with no ac.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Can they kids a school today?
Speaker 11 (25:15):
I always think it's terrible that they don't have a
season the schools teaches. It's tough, yeah, but I think
I mean, overall, it's a decision. They all generally all
make it together. I think because of in most cases
we wouldn't see this, but I think in this particular
set of circumstances, you know, it's this is not the
norm for anything relatives to the Karen Read case. Nothing
(25:36):
is normal here.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
But she keeps saying, well, we're running ahead of schedule.
Speaker 5 (25:39):
Yes, yes, I know a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
You know it does.
Speaker 11 (25:44):
But I think in terms of what when the jury
WASNN paneled and being picked, they gave them an estimate
of like how long we think testimony is going to go?
How long deliberations? So whatever they told the jury, it
seems like they're probably probably not too far ahead of schedule,
but at least close to.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
It, and said that they could rest on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 11 (26:03):
So I think we're only going to hear it from
a few more witnesses, probably just experts at this point
from the defense, and then we'll see if the Commonwealth
puts a rebuttal case on.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
If they do, it would be very brief.
Speaker 11 (26:13):
I think it would only be relative to likely doctor Walcher,
Rabati and Aka and then potentially a dog expert.
Speaker 5 (26:21):
That voice right there is the voice of Attorney Catherine
Loftus who joins us in studio every Thursday morning to
recap the Karen Reid trial. And I don't know if
you are listening on the way in this morning, but
it turns out Kelly Rippa is addicted to the Karen
Reid trial.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
My mo mom told me that this morning.
Speaker 11 (26:40):
She said, I heard Kelly Rippa, so it must have
been she heard it from you guys. So Kelly, give
me a call. I had fun without you.
Speaker 14 (26:48):
Oh sure, let me guess the Karen retrial.
Speaker 18 (26:52):
Yes, I watched the retrial, of the retrial, of the
coverage of rerec Did.
Speaker 14 (26:58):
You glean anything from the from yesterday's coverage? Nothing new?
Speaker 17 (27:01):
I just literally watched court TV all night.
Speaker 14 (27:05):
What are you going to do when the trial is
over in a couple of.
Speaker 17 (27:07):
Weeks, I'm going to roll into whatever the next trial
is that they're going to serve me, Yes, you should
go to law school. I you know what I said
to myself, I really did miss my calling as a judge,
jury edge attorney.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Yeah, I would say executioner as well.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
That's good Mark.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I wonder if she watched the first trial or if
this is all new for her.
Speaker 11 (27:31):
I would bet I have found sort of the coverage
of this case the second time around is much more national,
and there's a lot of people who didn't watch the
first trial and only have come in now and sort
of like, oh, you know, there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
You know, there's not going on with it.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Well, she didn't hear Proctor?
Speaker 5 (27:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I want to ask that that
was lame to me. So you don't call on Proctor,
who's evil, but you call in his friend.
Speaker 11 (27:56):
So so this is a very this is trial strat, right,
So Hank Brennan doesn't call him because theoretically he has
somebody else to testify to everything that Proctor did, because
there's always another trooper with him, right, and he doesn't
allow the defense to use him to you know, cross
examine him aggressively just like they did the first time.
We saw exactly what happened. So that puts the onus
(28:17):
on the defense to decide do we want to call
him or not, and they've decided we don't want to
call him. We don't want to you know, there's a
number of risks. I've talked about it on my page.
Not my objection if you want to break down. And
so then they just introduced the text messages through the
through the friend and Hank Brennan actually is the one
who read them.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
So it's really interesting.
Speaker 11 (28:37):
You know, what I think we see here different than
Trial number one, is very very high skilled lawyering on
both sides. So the two sides are constantly reacting to
you know, we're not playing check as anymore, we're playing chess.
And Hank Brennan is you know, really an equal to
Alan Jackson in Alessian Unetti. So this sort of volley
back and forth about what do we do now he
(28:58):
didn't call him? Do we talk about it?
Speaker 2 (29:00):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Now one of the big hindhlines this past week was
the defense requesting a mistrial. Did the defense really think
that that judge was going to give them a mistrial?
Speaker 11 (29:11):
Well, I don't think they could have thought that on
that basis, because I think it's there was not a
sound foundation in the law. I mean, listen, the argument
was the question to doctor Russell from Hank Brennan was about,
you know, did you know that there wasn't any dog DNA?
Did you take this into consideration. She has previously testified
at her Voadia hearings that she did know this and
did take it into consideration.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
The objection was that.
Speaker 11 (29:33):
Because it didn't come in in the Comwell's case in chief,
that it constituted a mistrial shouldn't come in. You know,
I think that it's unpopular just to caveat that. I
think it is a little bit of an indication that
they have some concern that there's a potential for conviction
and they're looking for potentially a way out.
Speaker 5 (29:51):
The judge won't even allow the defense and objection that
think she's going to allow them a mistrial.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
I mean, I mean ultimately, and I know that you know,
there's a lot of critique of the judge and the decisions. Ultimately,
each decision has to come down to whether there's you know,
it's meritorious based on the legal argument. And the legal
argument to me here was clear that you know you
have the right to cross exams.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Just like think about it.
Speaker 11 (30:13):
If the komwall said it was a dog bite, would
the defense be able to get up and say, but
you didn't did you know that there was no dog DNA?
Of course they would. That's a that's a permissible line
of inquiry for cross. But it was certainly it was
a vociferous argument.
Speaker 8 (30:27):
Right now, it's topic time for the Billy and Lisa
in the morning.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
Yeah, the topic time every Thursday morning is the Karen
Reid trial. We have our own in the house lawyer
Catherine Loftus. Note my objection is where they find you, right.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
That's right, all platforms note my objection.
Speaker 5 (30:44):
Okay, and you get to call in your question six
one seven, nine three one one one Wait, Lisa one.
Speaker 6 (30:49):
So we need to talk about Lucky the plow driver
and how impactful his testimony was, yes or no?
Speaker 11 (30:55):
Yeah, I mean I think he's a very credible witness.
He comes across as somebody who's you know, just from
the doing his genuine genuine you know, I think he
genuinely didn't see anybody there that night. Ultimately it goes
to you know, the weight of the testimony, and the
Jerry will look at again each individual witness, and they'll say,
did he actually not see something? The question really is
did he not see a body because there wasn't a
(31:16):
body there? Or did he not see a body because
he wasn't looking, you know, and didn't see you know.
There's two sort of possibilities from that, but I thought
he was definitely a beneficial witness for the defense for
sual officer.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
All right, let's go to Olivia in Boston. Olivia, you
have a question for Attorney Loftus.
Speaker 19 (31:33):
Oh hi, I'm so excited to talk to you guys.
I actually, on a side note, I did meet Alan
Jackson last week, but regarding the at Boston Logan Airport, actually.
Speaker 4 (31:45):
Wow, do you know?
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Okay, Olivia, I.
Speaker 19 (31:50):
Have photo eminence. But anyways, my questions regarding the witness,
Kelly Deaver or should I say Dever and how her
kind of how her like hostility and combativeness affects, you know,
the testimony at large, and even Alan Jackson's response to it,
(32:11):
and like, would that have been a better opportunity for
him to kind of let her be the bad guy
and play nice because I feel like she really did
not make herself look good or for the prosecution.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 11 (32:24):
I don't think she came across well either way when
she was so she was called by the defense and
then cross examined by the Commonwealth. You know, she was
pretty combative and hostile both times. And I think that's
actually a really good point to you know, showcases that
she Attorney Jackson almost didn't need to go aggressively at
her because she really did it herself. She took pains
(32:45):
to go out of her way not to answer questions,
you know, things that that are Listen. It's clear she
doesn't want to be there. She doesn't want to be testifying.
She you know, said something at one point she's changing
her story. This is a way to testify to that
in a manner her that's you know, not you not
combat of But she just painted herself in a very you.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Know, poor poor light. I kind of liked her.
Speaker 4 (33:12):
The process.
Speaker 16 (33:14):
She's good morning, team, I'm looking forward to listening to
Catherine Loftus again today. Could you please ask her? Does
she think that Higgins or any of the Alberts are
going to be on the stand. I hope they are.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Have a good.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Day, good morning. I don't think so.
Speaker 11 (33:36):
So we heard from Karen read yesterday outside and she
anticipates that they'll wrap up with their testimony by Tuesday.
So obviously we have a day off today, so that's
only Friday, Monday, and Tuesday. I expect it's going to
be at least the two ACA witnesses, doctor Wolf and
doctor Wrenchler, and then likely doctor Lopisado, who is the neuropathologist,
(33:56):
And I think that might be it. So I don't
think we're not gonna hear from Michael Pro, We're not
going to hear from Brian Higgins, We're not going to
hear from Brian Albert. You know, it really goes to
showcase how different a trial can be if you have
the second chance to do it, and sort of the
strategy that Attorney Brennan had in presenting the Comwall's case,
and what it does is it forces the defense mid
(34:18):
trial to you know, to sort of reevaluate. And that's
what when you see good lawyers on both sides, this
is what you see sort of this volley back and
forth and game time decisions do we call this person,
do we not call this person?
Speaker 2 (34:30):
How they going to help us out? Were going to hurt?
Speaker 5 (34:31):
Those witnesses were the meat of the first trial.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
They were, well, and that's what's fascinating.
Speaker 11 (34:37):
You know, if you had told us six months ago
that none of these witnesses were be called, we'd be shocked.
Speaker 6 (34:42):
It was the meat and the drama and the aha moment, yes.
Speaker 11 (34:45):
The first trial, which we haven't had. That's right, No,
we haven't had that at all. So what Attorney Brennan did,
he really really, in many ways, kind of boxed the
defense in by limiting who he called. He didn't call
Adam Leley in the first trial essentially handed up the
the case to the defense. With all these witnesses, you
just put them on the stand and then they were
eviscerated one by one by one. Hank Brennan didn't allow
(35:07):
that to happen. And so what that does is for us,
the defense, to say, do we want to call them
on our own and then let Brennan cross them? And
so they've made a strategic decision not to do that.
Speaker 24 (35:15):
Good morning everyone. I am following the car trial. I
was doing it last trial, I'm doing it this trial.
I Chattel lot with like Channel ten or whatever. I'm streaming.
It's like a little family now. But is it me?
Speaker 23 (35:29):
Or is Hank being really being too people like meaner
than JACKXM. Like when you asked that a dog expert
if her she had a bad memory, I saw her
mouth just fall open. But he's just literally irritating me.
Speaker 11 (35:44):
I think it feels a little bit to me sometimes
that it's it is both sides. It depends on which
side on the IIA. So the aggressive cross examination by
Alessi or Jackson. You know, if you're on the free
carrys side, you really like it and then you hate
Brennan and sort of vice versa. From my perspective, this
is what cross is supposed to be. It's always aggressive.
(36:04):
The whole entire point as an attorney is to annoy
somebody and get under this skin so much break you
literally basically break them down on the winn says, And
there's all different ways of doing that. Not everyone is
you know, Alan Jackson is like bombask and you know
fast and how to write at you. Hank Brendan is
a little bit more. You know, he's got like the
nasally old voice and that kind of thing. It's a
(36:25):
different style, but ultimately the goal is all the same
to break them fluster.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Yes, you get another one just actually I actually, yes,
that's witty.
Speaker 9 (36:33):
Do you feel like because if we've seen both trials
we had Adam Reley, I don't want to crap on him.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
He's probably a nice person.
Speaker 9 (36:39):
He was so monotone and had really no passion that
I think that Hank has more of a voice. You're
thinking he's more aggressive where Alli was just not like
just gave it's nothing.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, we really heard the same.
Speaker 11 (36:51):
You know, inflection and tone really does matter in terms
of lawyering and how you ask the question, like which
words you focus on? Disney voice go up to you?
Is it a cute usory? Is it not you being gentle?
You know you look like even with doctor Russell Invoidia,
Hank Brennan was very aggressive with her verbally.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
He wasn't so much that you know, he was a
little bit softer.
Speaker 11 (37:10):
He handles her, you know, kind of with kid gloves,
as you would say, but you you are able to
discern what he's trying to get across. With Adam Lalley,
it sort of was the same across the board.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Very did you lose your memory? That would have been him, right,
memory right, right, right, just.
Speaker 11 (37:25):
The same and so and so the jury doesn't know
what are we supposed to be focusing on. You know,
the job as a lawyer is through the not only
what your questions are, but how you ask the questions
to get the jury.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
This is what I want you to think, and this
is what I want you to focus on.
Speaker 19 (37:39):
What is the good lawyer?
Speaker 9 (37:43):
Experts are experts, and both sides present experts say.
Speaker 6 (37:49):
That five times fast.
Speaker 19 (37:50):
How was juror supposed to decide which experts is correct?
Speaker 2 (37:56):
That's a really good question.
Speaker 11 (37:57):
So, you know, I think the most poe thing that
I try to impress upon people watching these trials is
that sometimes you have experts who are of different sort
of degree. So in trial number one, we had say,
Trooper Paul and AKA right. So from just sort of
like on the on its face, we have two different
sort of one seems more credible than the other.
Speaker 22 (38:18):
Right.
Speaker 11 (38:18):
But in this instance we have Aperture and Judson Waltcha
who's a PhD accident reconstructionist, and then we're gonna have
AKA a lot of times, what happens is if you
have two qualified experts who are looking at the same
data and come to completely different conclusions, they almost cancel
each other out. Because if you can't pick one over
the other, and so then what happens is they go
back to the evidence that they can you know, okay,
(38:40):
we can all look at this and let's make a decision.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
We're going to take everything else.
Speaker 11 (38:44):
And so that's what happens with a lot of witnesses
is they essentially cancel each other out and the jury
focuses on what they have left.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Wow, you must remember if it doesn't quit fit, you
must have But you're convinced there will be a third trial, right.
Speaker 11 (39:00):
No, no, no, oh god, no, Billy, let's not put
that energy into the world right now.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Okay, I don't know if I can stomach covering it there.
Speaker 11 (39:09):
No, I mean I think, listen, I think there's a
I think there's a real likelihood that there's another mistrial
on count number two. You know, I don't think I
think it'll be similar to the first time. There's not
guilty on the murder likely and not guilty on the
leaving the scene because those also those all required to
get into your mental state, right the manslaughter. I think
(39:29):
she has a chance of being convicted, but there's also
a very high chance of a mistrial.
Speaker 5 (39:34):
Wow, another trial Billy.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
I hope not.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
They should not.
Speaker 11 (39:39):
If they it's my position, I'll put it on the
reck now. If there is a mistrial from a jury,
it's it's the wrong thing to do to retry her.
If they're the comment, they should not retry her if
you can. If you don't have a verdict after two trials,
then that means that people can't decide. Then it's up
in the end.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Yeah, let's go to Johnny Online one.
Speaker 14 (39:55):
Remember these words, if it doesn't fit, you must have quit.
Speaker 13 (40:00):
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