May 1, 2025 • 39 mins
The Billy & Lisa crew cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show including the weird weather, swingers and Katherine Loftus joining us to discuss the Karen Read trial! Listen to Billy & Lisa weekdays from 6-10AM on Kiss 108!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, best morning show in Boston.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
Billy and Lisa in the morning. It's just a great
start to my day on Kids Away.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Hey, good morning everybody, and a happy Thursday. It is Thursday,
and it is the first day of May. It's May Day, Justine.
We have been waiting, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Certain days right on this show that we wait for
for the dumbest possible reasons. Just the weekend here, May Day,
May Day.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Yeah, we've been waiting for May. And it's going to
rain this weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You're riding.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Totally, and it's gonna get really cold again.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Agent boy to New England.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
The ups and the downs.
Speaker 6 (00:46):
Every time I put my ugs, I can take them
back out. Oh yeah, I have like my ugs to
walk the dog or whatever, like my slip ons.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
You know, don't put your winter clothes.
Speaker 7 (00:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (00:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
My wife Michelle yesterday right was I saw them stacked
after she was putting all the comfortable, the comfortable blankets
from the living room and everything away. And I'm like,
we live in New England. It's not going to stay
warm and milk.
Speaker 8 (01:09):
It could be cold through June. It's going to be
in the fifties on Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh yeah, I could use a blanket right now. It's
cold in here.
Speaker 8 (01:17):
God, I'll just walk around the sales department. There's a
lot of little you know, as you.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Notice, they keep it so cold in this building in
the wintertime. Lisa and I notice every morning if you
look on the back of every single chair, there's a
giant sales office outside our studio, and every chair has
six or seven layers of blankets and winter jackets. Cold.
Speaker 9 (01:41):
Huh, oh yeah, it's very cold.
Speaker 10 (01:45):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
My nipples are hard as a rock right now. Oh great,
I'm just.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Saying, okay, did you just say that?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Anyway? Happy may everybody happy? The sky is bizarre.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
It's still a pretty day today.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah. So Karen Reid trial. We're gonna have Catherine Loftus
in this morning. We have her in live every Thursday
now and it's gotten interesting because they're suggesting that the
key witness, Jen McCabe is lying all over herself on
the stand.
Speaker 8 (02:17):
Well, she contradicted herself between the Grand Jerry testimony and
what she said yesterday.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
But Catherine will be in at seven ten this morning, right.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yeah, we have plenty to talk about with her.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You'll have her the whole hour. Yep, boy, what is
that like to have. She's been on the stand this
one woman, Jen McCabe, seven hours over two days, and
there is a day off today, but she's going to
be back on the stand again tomorrow.
Speaker 11 (02:40):
Good morning, it's the day of the South Then. Well,
Carlos came over to give me my massage yesterday and
it's official. I'm officially sucked into the Karen Rea trout.
It was on the TV and I couldn't stop watching it.
I can't wait till Catherine Loftus comes on. I love
her accent. One thing about that Jen mcay cabe, But
all I could say about her is what a liar.
(03:04):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Everyone, Wow, who's Carlos?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
That's his messuse?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Oh, the mayor of the South End has a male
messuse come to the house.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, he talks about him a lot. He comes to
the house and rubs him down. The Mary gets all excited.
My nipples are right now.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I'll tell you the mayor definitely has a four
story townhouse right with an elevator. He definitely has an elephantors.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Living the dream.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (03:34):
But I will say about Jimmy cabe, it must be
so nerve wracking, just as a oh, Yeah, person that's
not used to this kind of stuff. And I know
she you know she did it last year testified, but
it still can't be fun. She's being cross examined by
an Alan Jackson, who is just so good at what
he does.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Have you noticed they both are taking a softer approach
this time. Yes, it's not as combative as it was
last year. I will say yesterday was the first day
where I really was honed in, like because she is
a very polarizing person that you actually really want to
listen to what she's saying.
Speaker 8 (04:07):
Oh, she's very vocal about the I hit him, I
hit him. Oh yeah, double down on.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That, which she didn't say in the first trial. But
she's tough. I mean to sit there for those This guy,
this is what he does for a living. His job,
Jack is to take her apart.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes, and she's standing for him.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yeah. Yeah, Well question Tromp, get your questions in. You
can do it right now. I already have some questions
for Catherine on the talkbacks on the iHeart app. Just
press that red little microphone there and leave your question you.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
No one else is going on on this show live
this morning. My buddy Steve D Filippo, who owns the
Davio's restaurants, is a coming in and I believe he's
bringing food when Davio's one of the premier restaurants all
over Boston and New England. Davio's is celebrating forty years. Wow,
forty years. Did you tell me least that he did
(04:58):
the weather on Far twenty five yesterday? Somebody told me.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
That he did.
Speaker 6 (05:03):
Yeah, yeah, I mean justin som yesterday.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
That is so cool. And he's coming off a big
ski accident. I mean he broke ribs, he dislocated his knee,
broke his shoulder like a bad ski accident. He's probably
still going to be in a sling when he gets
in here this morning. He wasn't in one yesterday on TV.
Really no, he looks sling. Okay, good for him. He's recovering.
But yeah, Steve's coming by by the way tomorrow. Andy
(05:29):
Husband's world champion barbecue chef from the Smoke Shop Restaurants.
He just opened a brand new one of Wooburn. He's
coming by with barbecue.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
Well, he'll be at your Meat to Eat Billy Costa
event at Walmyron a few weeks right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
May fourteenth Meat to Eat with Billy at All Modern
at at the Market Street Mall in Linfield. Okay, so
we got a lot going on this morning. Okay, so
let's get going from.
Speaker 12 (05:55):
The Planet Fitness Kiss One Away Studios. But we're back
with a Villa and Lisa in the Morning.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
I'm kiss We certainly are back. And by the way,
today is the first day of May and we're very
excited about that. But justin let's get a couple of
talk backs in before the entertainment report.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
You know, we appreciate everybody listening to the show. We
are one big family that everyone is a part of.
We would appreciate if you would join the show and
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You listen to Kiss One to wait Billy Lisa in
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us know what you're doing.
Speaker 13 (06:30):
Hey, morning crew, it's your girl Sarah from Maine. It
is a beautiful sunny thirty six degrees up here. I
am just on my porch with my dog Winnie, and
I'm about to get in my ice bath, and I
thought that I would just drop a note before six
thirty to say good morning, love you all and I
hope you have a wonderful day.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Thanks Sarah from Maine.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
She's so nice?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Is Sarah? Single? Ice bath?
Speaker 7 (06:57):
I know?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Huh? Hopping in early in the morning, thirty degrees up there.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's actually easier to do an ice bath when it's
colder out. You wouldn't think. So it's tougher when the
weather's warmer, right.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Because your body's already climatized.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Correct. Yeah, So if it's you know, sixty, seventy or eighty,
it's it's a lot harder.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, a good word, Lisa climatized.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, yeah, my girl's wicked. Smot.
Speaker 14 (07:17):
What up, morning, crew? No, the caddy here calling in
from Las Vegas, Nevada. They ended up needing me, so
it's working out. I met a very attractive female staff
member at the golf club who ended up giving her
number to me.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
That was fun.
Speaker 14 (07:33):
Might hit the strip later with the boys and see
what happens. You know what they say, what happened in
Vegas stays in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
So there we go, and that is what they say.
But remember what happens in Vegas days in Vegas, except
for herpes.
Speaker 12 (07:48):
People'll come back with you now the entertainment update with
the Billy Cops.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, the herpees always comes back with you.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Be safe about that.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Still waiting for their next opponent, they get the winner
of the knixt Piston series. By the way, that series
resumes tonight with the game six the Celtics. Next round
it kicks off next week right here in Boston. May
fifth and seventh will be the first two games of
the series. Red Sox lost in ten innings last night.
And how about this. A Pirates fan fell from the
(08:19):
stands at last night's game and is in critical condition
this morning. Here's the Pirates.
Speaker 15 (08:25):
Gah, both our medical staff, the Cub's medical staff, ms
everybody that got to the gentleman, even though it's three
hundred and fifty feet a wire or whatever it is.
And then the fact of how went down and laying
motionless were like all the play's going on. I mean,
Craig saw it.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I saw it.
Speaker 15 (08:40):
We both got out there. I think the Empires saw it.
Unfortunate because of the way the ball kicked. It's extremely unfortunate.
I mean that's an understatement.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Oh boy. By the way, remember the weird story about
the guy who fell out of John Elway's golf cart.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
He died, but it wasn't at it. But it wasn't
at a golf event.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
No, it is that the stage coach for rest of
all right, I believe. Yeah, they were cruising around lost
control again, careful Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
John always hanging out the stagecoach.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Interesting Yeah, I kind of thought so too. Yeah you
go John, No good for him?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, uh so.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
The Falcons defensive coordinator whose son made that prank call
to Chador Sanders during the NFL Draft is being fined
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and he is apologizing.
Speaker 16 (09:25):
My actions have not protecting confidential data were inexcusable. My
son's actions were absolutely inexcusable, and for that we are
both deeply sorry. The NFL has taken action, and I
fully respect the punishment. Going forward, I promised my son
and I work hard to demonstrate we are better than this.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And what's the sun's punishment. He's the one that made
the prank call.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Damn kids, he's twenty one.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Like he's twenty one though, Like I'm sorry, Like he's
he should know better, He should know better.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, he shouldn't be allowed to skate.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah he should.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
He should have been at that press conference apologize.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, well the dad should have made him apologize. That's
the right thing to do anyway. Charles Barkley the latest
to comment on the Bill Belichick Jordan Hudson, I call
it the hot mess here is.
Speaker 17 (10:13):
This is a very slippery subject for me because Bill's
one of my really good friends. I don't I'm not
sure what's going on. Uh, you know, he's been a
great friend for me for a long time. We've been
friends since he coached for the Browns. I think he
got to be very careful right now. This is starting
(10:33):
to be on a very slippery slope. From what I'm hearing,
It's starting to be a very slippery slope. And I
never talk about people's personal relationship. That's that's another rule
I got. But I will admit I'm a little concerned
with some of the stuff that's going on, and I
might actually reach out to him and make sure everything's good.
But I am concerned from what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
By the way, Belichick did release the statement yesterday. It
was in full support of Joy, but strangely the statement
came through a unc.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Yeah, I think it's interesting that he's using the UNC
communications department to make a statement about a private.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Project, which is his book.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
But he did say that he did clearly communicate with
his publicist at Simon and Schuster that any promotional interviews
that he participated in would agree to focus solely on
the contents of the book. So that was the statement
that he made yesterday, and then CBS News came out
with their own statement saying, when we agreed to speak
with mister Belichick, it was for a wide ranging interview.
There were no preconditions or limitations to this conversation. That
(11:33):
was confirmed repeatedly with his publisher before the interview took place.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
What do we believe, CBS CBS.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I would think that Jordan, who was controlling everything, would
have been the first one to say, yeah, you know,
we're not talking about this or that.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, she had a lot to say during the interview,
why not say it now? Meantime, there's another report this morning,
and this is the one I care about. It's suggesting
that Jordan has amassed a massive real estate portfolio since
meeting Belichick.
Speaker 8 (12:03):
Yeah, according to real litor dot Com, she's purchased three
multifamily homes in the Greater Boston area since December of
twenty twenty three, one in two and two town homes
in Dorchester and one in Roxbury.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Wow, a couple of houses on Nantucket.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
I'm a cottage in Harwich that she also purchased in
October of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Didn't you buy two or three in one weekend?
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (12:25):
She did.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Those those are the ones in Dorchester and Roxbury.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Is better than a pension? What am I doing wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Like that?
Speaker 8 (12:32):
That's that's that's a lot of money. That's a lot
after just dating.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And it's probably an understatement. It sounds like it's a
lot more than nine million based on the number of
properties they're talking about.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
They're saying it's a mass to nine million dollars in
real estate. Yeah, so if they break up tomorrow, she's
Gucci because I think you told me, Lisa, they're all
just her name.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
They are there. It's an LLC.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Not only that I saw there are more than twenty
companies that she's running through. Belichick, Oh my go wow.
This goes beyond gold digger. This is something else. This
is like psychosis.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
And he was fighting about the Nantucket house with Linda like,
let her have it, this girl after a few years.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Wow, I'm shocked. Yeah, I love this one. Ben Affleck
went on Travis and Kelsey Travis Kelcey is a new
New Heights podcast yesterday and talked about the greatest day
of his life with the exception of the birth of
his children, and it was when he was on a
vacation and somehow got to play catch with Tom Brady.
Speaker 18 (13:32):
I'm sure I disgraced every receiver that's ever run around
to this day, aside from the birth.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Of my children. They're the greatest.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
For two days I was on the.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
I think they thought I was lying to him, so
they got But it was like the nicest thing and
he's ever done for me, and I lived a full
life of dreams.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Right in that whatever it was our playing cash.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now, I know what you're all saying to yourself, including
the listeners this morning. You're saying to yourself right now.
Ben has a sixty five million dollar mansion. Why can't
he have a better microphone in his house?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It's so bad he cares that he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's like that the whole time, right.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
The whole time he was underwater. He was on the
Turn Show, a couple of years ago. It was the
same thing. He just doesn't care.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so easy to just get
a better microphone or a better signal in your sixty
five million dollar man.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
Well, it makes you listen more intently because you have
to really listen.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, I love Ben. How about this? This one surprises me.
Barbara streisand has an album on the way with a
lot of different people featured on the album Ariana Grande,
Mariah Carey, Sam Smith, Paul McCartney. Hozier is on the
album What What Just Anyway, that album's on the way. Meantime,
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the Selina Gomesbini Blanco Deluxe album is out tomorrow. The
new Insurance on Old Phone drops at eleven o'clock this morning,
and the new Doja Cat song Lose My Mind from
the new Brad Pitt f one movie is Brad Pitt
f one Driver.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah that looks good.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, So the movie itself will be out June twenty seventh,
and there's a new Roadhouse two movie coming. Guy Ritchie
is going to direct at this time. Jake Jillenhall is
definitely back. And finally, Andre Agassi won the US Open
Pickleball championship in Naples. Now I need to tell behind
(15:45):
the scenes the championship. The US Open is held at
the Community Center, which I belong to in Naples.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Fifty there.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Oh yeah, Michelle and I actually went to the US
Open Pickleball Championship about a year, maybe even two years ago.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
I'm happy for Andre and fifty five. His partner's eighteen.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
He's the champion.
Speaker 18 (16:07):
Myself as somebody that you know, I'm a searcher and
I'm a journeyer, and I'm a person that likes to learn,
and I'm a curious person. And so if you just
reverse that that side of it, you know, I love
the idea of somebody be able to being able to
learn and you know, ten minutes what might have taken me,
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you know, ten years. So in that respect, you know,
I hope to I always hope to impact people.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Do you remember his hair when he played tennis, he
had the long blonde hair. Now he's bald, He's completely bald.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I just kind of look him up because I mean
I read his Yeah, you should read his book.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Yah, book's really good.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
He talks about he really had a hard time losing
his hair, like when he was playing.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Tennis because his hair was his life.
Speaker 8 (16:53):
So much anxiety. Yeah, yeah, I really.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Liked that book. Yeah, I'm thinking Lisa's Andrea Agascy.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
They were amazing thirty chio million in prising when you
played a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Oh no, he was number one in the world, was
really big.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, right to the money.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Oh yeah. And by the way, he's from Vegas. He
grew up in Vegas.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Wonrying so much about him in the.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Imagine the irony though, beautiful locks of hair, but then
it was falling out. Yeah, and he's completely balls. It's
not like he shaved his head. His hair is gone.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah. Well he owns it. Yeah yeah, you got to
own it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And he looks fabulous both ways with and without the hair.
He married Brooks Shields. Oh yeah, Oh I didn't know.
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Speaker 17 (18:00):
She's a Meglomania.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
She's a gold bigger, always ready.
Speaker 19 (18:04):
To attack the unsuspected man.
Speaker 17 (18:07):
Her weapons are her looks, her personality.
Speaker 12 (18:10):
Are you from the Planet's Fitness Kiss one Away Studios,
We're back with a Villy and Lisa in the morning
on Kiss one.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So I know this is gonna sound crazy, but I'm
kind of fascinated by swingers me too. Right, every time
you see a story about swingers, right, you think, wow,
this is fascinating, But it really does exist. In fact,
there's a swingers club in Connecticut. Didn't it just shut down.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
With They actually had a name. It was called the
Wicked Fun Club.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
It was a private swingers club in Plymouth, Connecticut and
it was ordered to shut down following a town meeting
on Tuesday because it's thirty feet away from a Baptist church.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Wow, So what do you suppose goes down in the club?
You know what goes down? Bill swinging sacs. I just
I'm fascinated by it.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
So it was at LISTA. It was like an open club.
It was an opening club.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
Yeah, and it was in the category of adult youth
studying that the club's own description of consenting adults engaging
in adult sexual activities, and that's why town officials and
church members said that they it needed to be shut down.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
They definitely engage in adult sexual activities and.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
It's a violation of zoning regulation.
Speaker 13 (19:25):
I know.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I just always thought to myself, they're kind of underground.
You know, they don't publicize what it is.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Well, the fact that they have a name and everything.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah, odd, like don't they don't Swingers have like a
code like things pine apple?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well, swingers Swingers existence used to be very underground, but
now they're all over social media too. They've got like
social media sites that they meet and greet and everything.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Right, Well there are apps, yeah, there are apps.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Now Yeah, here I am and here I come.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Yeah, Which is is like people can live their life.
I have no judgment on anybody. Do whatever you want
as long as you're not and anybody exactly fine with me,
you know, different strokes, different folks.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
No, I'm slightly entertained by it, but I would never
I could.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I wouldn't either.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
No, I couldn't, not for me, But like I couldn't
go out with my wife Michelle knowing that we're going
to swing.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Weren't you approached by somebody once though the two of you?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yes, yeah, okay, but I know that. Look, I know
that if if we were to consent to something like that, right,
I know for a fact, I know myself, okay, I
would never be able to look at my wife again.
One of us would have to move out just the
next morning.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
It just seems like a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, like, yeah, well, I mean human nature. Right away,
you're thinking, well, is he better than me?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah? Well you're a one woman guy, right, Yeah, yeah,
you don't want to share anything?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, I don't want to, you know, knock on the
door and there she is with like feet in the air.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
Yeah, just like, okay, I'm not you know, that's a visual.
I'm sorry, it's not for me.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
I thought we're all done, you know, It's like, no,
I couldn't possibly.
Speaker 17 (21:18):
So.
Speaker 12 (21:19):
Last week I was at an adult's only, all inclusive
resort and I heard that it's like a swinger's thing.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So I was kind of panicked, and every.
Speaker 13 (21:31):
Time anybody gave me like a look that was a
little bit longer than.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
Maybe it should have been, I would just immediately look
away because I what would.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I don't even know what I would do.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
That's a nightmare that you book herself into an all
inclusive and you don't know that that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, what were those famous resorts heism? Hedonism was one
of them all. I visited one one day. I know
that sounds weird, but no. I was there on a
vacation and didn't realize that right next door on the
other side of the fence on the beach was Hedonism.
And so my wife at the time and I as
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a joke, said, oh, let's go get a tour bizarre.
I mean, you know, literally on the other side of
the fence fence the same beach. Once we got on
the other side and we had a tour guide for Hedonism,
Like everybody's playing volleyball naked, like just everything's bouncing around,
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and like then they took us into the club that
was the nightclub that everybody would gather at night, and
I'm like, oh my god, you know you can't even
get into it, but you could just sense the bodily
fluids all over the room. Yeah, it was like, yeah,
what am I even talking about?
Speaker 19 (22:55):
God?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Every morning?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I wait, okay, we're back at the Karen Reid trial
is in full swing. It's a day off in the
trial today, but I think Jen McCabe is going to
be back on the stand again tomorrow and every Thursday
we have our own in house lawyer. Are we paying
you or something?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I love?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I have to tell you. I have listened to you
guys since I was a little kid. So just the
pure fact that I'm on here as your legal expert
is enough payment.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, maybe we should give her a billion lease in
the morning hoodie or something.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Today.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I'm making college hype, right my objective?
Speaker 5 (23:31):
We love college.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
This morning, this hit me that you know we have
you in so regularly because the Karen Reid trial is
so popular in people's minds. It's almost like once a
week we put you on the witness stand.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I'm okay with it, Okay, ask away.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Uh this Jen McCabe. Everybody keeps saying, key witness, key witness,
key witness. Is she making a difference at all?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
She's making less of a difference. I think this time
than last time. The first time we saw the trial,
you know, everybody was sort of focused on what she's
going to say. We know that Alan Jackson is going
to go at her really aggressively this time. You know,
there's not as many surprises. We sort of know what
the questions are that are coming. She's certainly more well
prepared this time. She looks more relaxed. She's answering questions,
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you know, in sort of a more direct fashion.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
Can you take us behind the scenes of that coaching,
like how much coaching would she have gotten?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So you can't coach like you know, we use the
word coaching, but it's really you can't coach a witness.
So there's no coaching from the prosecution. There is prep
in so she talks about the fact that you know,
they went over testimony. As a prosecutor, you cannot tell
a witness what to do, what to say. This is
how you want to answer. But I am sure she
has had you know, she has her own private counsel.
Attorney Reddington represents her previously did. And you know, as
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an attorney, if you have a witness going understand, your
advice is basically, you know, take a deep breath. They're
going to try to get under your skin. That's Alan
Jackson's number one goal is get under your skin. If
you can avoid letting him get under your skin, and reacting.
You're going to present a lot lot better, you know,
just tell the truth, even if it's not favorable. And
I think whoever is giving her advice, she took it
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and it seems to be working.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Here's the thing that keeps crossing my mind with trials
like this one. Jen McCabe, for instance, Okay, over two
or three days, she's been on the stand for seven hours.
She's going to be back on the stand tomorrow. It
seems like a job. Shouldn't they get paid? I mean,
she didn't do anything wrong, She's got to put all
this time in and the witness stand has to have
a lawyer. I mean it seems crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Well, the great state of the Camo of the Massachusetts
does pay if you ask, witnesses can get paid. I
think it's somewhere in the realm of thirty or forty
dollars that you know, if you have to.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Get total, that doesn't that doesn't even pay for it.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
Like a blowout she had nice, yeah, I mean she
presented very different.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
She presented very differently, even just physically. She didn't seem
as stressed. She's you know, and that reads to the jury,
whether you know, how intentional or not. We want to
you know how we want to evaluate it, but it
definitely plays to the jury.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
And it's Karen's lawyer's job to break her down, right,
But they haven't done that yet.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, I think they have in some ways. The question
is how significant are those ways. There's clearly things that
Alan Jackson was able to catch her, and you know,
they're questioning about the dog. Was you know, how could
you have not heard this? German shepherd questions about when
the federal investigators, which they can't reference, but they're alluding
to them. You know that she told them she called
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you know, I think two people, but she really called
five people, so there's small inconsistencies.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
He's catching her in and she said she used a
fake name.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
She's a fake name, right, yeah, to whom to investigator?
So apparently it was the probably the FBI agents, most
likely they're not named in court. But what she said was, well,
there were two people, and generally the Feds do come,
you know, in playing clothes and without badges or anything.
And she thought that they were salespeople. So she said,
oh no, that's not me.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Here was the other part I didn't really get. She
was talking yesterday on the stand about when she went
in the high and up the stairs and into the
bedroom to wake there. Who was it the the a
couple up out of a dead sleep?
Speaker 15 (27:11):
What?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, and this is as everything was going on outside
the house.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
But also that has something to do with the dog too, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So that's what one of the lines of question that
I think was effective. It just brings kind of this
question to the Jerry's mind of you know, is it realistic?
Is there any way that you could sleep through this
kind of chaos outside? You know, it's wowed. There's lights on,
there are no sirens because there's no necessity for sirens,
you know. And I think there's there's two ways to
look at that is one, it seems a little odd.
(27:39):
It's pretty chaotic right outside on your front lawn. You know,
you don't hear it seems suspicious. What inferences can we
draw On the other side the kom walls going to say,
you know, use your common sense. It was a blizzard.
It's five o'clock in the morning, the wind's whipping, and
everybody was drinking until two thirty in the morning. So
those are the two basically, you know, during.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
That testimony, I'm thinking at own. No, they were under
the cover saying quiet, quiet, don't say anything, Pretend you're asleep.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And that's what and that's what Al jests. That's what
the defense wants you to believe, you know. And that
goes with the dog Chloe and that Jemma Cape testified
that she didn't see it. Now did she not see it?
Was it not there? Was she in a state of
traumer and she just doesn't remember whether it was there
or not. You know, those are all questions that ultimately
the jury can decide what weight to give each piece
of evidence.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Well, I was always thinking, somebody starts walking up the
stairs into my home at night, in the middle of
the night, and Titus sleeps in the bed with us.
You know, Titus is certainly no attack dog, but he's
gonna bark for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I mean, I think it's reasonable, for the most part,
for most dogs to unless you have a really docile
dog to back if somebody comes in the house in
the middle of the night. So you know, whether what
she said was the dog could have been there. I
don't know. I just don't have a memory of it.
What the question is, what does that actually mean? Was
the dog actually not there or was it there?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
And she doesn't. We got to take a break.
Speaker 12 (28:56):
Now it's topic time with Billy and Lisa, and yes.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It is, and we call this segment calls for Catherine.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I like it. I don't know, maybe making a regular thing.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Catherine Loftus is our so called the in house lawyer
that talks about and comments on the Karen Reid trial
which is going on. This is a big week with
the key witness of Jen McKay. But it's a day
off from the trial.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Today it's law Day. Apparently as a lawyer, I should
know what laude is, but I think it might be new.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well, congratulations counselor it's law day. Let's start with the
Brianne in Fall River. Briann, you have a question for
a counsel of Loftus.
Speaker 20 (29:37):
Yes, good morning. I was wondering if you think that
Jen forgetting a lot of the details this time around,
or at least it seems like she's forgetting all of that,
is going to come back and kind of bite her,
so to speak, with her credibility.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I think that there are small pieces of credibility that
you know when you attack them. As a defense attorney,
Alan Jackson is doing. There's certainly a active right. It's
not that the questioning that sort of the answers that
she's getting caught in things that are slightly different than
the first time, a little bit off. It certainly allows
the defense to make the argument, hey, this is not
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a credible witness, and therefore you should not trust anything
else she says. The question then becomes like the jury
looks at overall, if we're able to catch her in
an inconsistency, does that mean okay, everything she says is
off the table, or are we able to somehow you know,
think well, well, maybe she made the mistake this way.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I like when she said, you know, we're all like
normal moms here, we're not used to this, which really
softened things, right.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I think. So there were there were a number of
things she said, you know about when the when the
police came and she said, well, I hadn't brush my
teeth and I knew I had to go you know,
another time I had to go back to the house
and break it to the kids. She definitely there were
there were some instances, as myself a forty one year
old mom, that that made sense and you sort of okay,
that feels relatable, and I think ultimately, when we think
(31:02):
about how to assess witness credibility and what the jury
is going to look at, they don't just look at
one thing. Right. If there's a bombshell, like you're caught
line and something so significant that it just takes all
credibility away, that's one thing. But when you get caught
in a couple of things, is the jury going to say, well,
now we shouldn't believe anything she says? I think that's unlikely.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I keep waiting for the bombshell. I don't think.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
I don't know there's going to be.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I don't think round two. I don't think we're going
to have the same as we did Ron one.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Let's go to Kathy and need him. Kathy a question
for a counselor loftus. Oh hi, yes, I was wondering,
do you think that this trial would be.
Speaker 17 (31:41):
As big if if the parties were reversed and Karen
was the victim?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
That's an interesting question. I think that, you know, being
totally honest, I think that this case hook on a
life of its own because it has a lot of
sort of the factors in a good storyline. You know,
we have a Boston police officer victim. We have a
criminal defendant who's you know, a pretty you know why
(32:09):
that factors into it. She's you know, middle upper class educated,
All of the parties don't really fit the stereotypical criminal system.
And then on top of it, you have all the
allegations of corruption. So I think it's almost like a
perfect storm of why the case has guided so much attention.
I don't know that it would be the same. It
would probably be a different kind of evaluation if the
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roles were reversed, but it certainly has all the makings
of a good story.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
You know, earlier, at least it was talking about the
witnesses being coached by the lawyers. Does anybody coach the lawyers?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Well, we all talk as attorneys. We talk with each other, right,
so if you're whether you're in a DA's office, if
you're on the defense side, I mean, even civil lawyers,
we all bounce things off. When I don't know something
or I need help, I go to a lawyer who
knows better than I do or has been through something.
So in a way, yes, they do. They ask each
other questions. You know, how do you think I should
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ask this? Should I go at her, you know, softly,
should I go a little bit more aggressively?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
They rehearse it right like behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, both the prosecution and the defense. They have their
whole line of questioning set up, their openings. They closing
is like those are well well run.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Okay, let's go to Kim in West Roxbury. Kim, you
have a question on the red trial.
Speaker 10 (33:25):
Ah, yes, I just I am curious And I've read
a couple of people who've posted this on social media.
When Tim McCabe went to her sister's house and saw
the dead body on the front LAWNE, wouldn't your first
instinct why into your sibling's house to make sure that
they were okay? But yet she never did not until
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the police officer asked her to go in.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, I think it is a good point. And that's
one of those things again that goes to the jury
is advised by the judge at the end of this
to use your common sense, right, So just use what
you think would be a reason reaction. And I think
there's two ways to evaluate that. I think some people
look at that and say, how could you not go
inside right away? On the other hand. You have Jim McCabe,
carry Robins, Karen Reid finding a body on the front lawn,
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you know, per their testimony, you know, and whether you
credit it or not, they say, you know, they heard
her saying I hit him, I hit him so and
you know that he didn't come in the house. So
I think it's really difficult. All of us can sort
of piggyback what would we have done in hindsight. Shouldn't
you go in, shouldn't you come out? Shouldn't you say
it this way? But when you're in the midst of
a traumatic situation, I think it's really difficult to say.
(34:35):
What you know? Is there one right thing to do
over the other? I'm not sure that.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I'm going to tell you those are some sound sleepers. Boy,
I would give anything for that for just one night.
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I'm one of those sounds sleeper. So that's why I
can buy it.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Just a question how long can can Jackson go with
with cave and cross?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
And then I love how long he's taken him.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
I'm just curious, is there a time limit to a cross?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
There is very judge specific in this case, there's no
time limits. So she set time limits for opening statements
and closing arguments. But that's essentially it. You know, there's
other courts. If you go down a federal court, there's
judges there who will say, you know, you have an
hour for cross examination or thirty minutes for this witness.
So you have to be very, very particular. There's a
lot of leeway here. Obviously, you know, there was the
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direct examination by Hank Brennan of Jen McCay was pretty
extensive in and of itself, and so you want to
allow the defense to have that same time. And then
of course after cross we'll have Hank Brennan get back
up do redirect, and then Alan Jackson will do recross again.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
I have a question about pace of the trial, given
like the last couple of weeks, where do you see
this sort of ending.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
I think it's getting it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I think it's moving a little bit quicker than last time.
It seems to be the cases coming in a little
bit more succinct and clear and concise. However, we do
have a lot of experts still to come, both from
the Commonwealth and from the defense, and generally experts a
little time heavy, you know, they take a lot of
hours to explain the specifics and then the cross examination.
(36:00):
So I would say we're probably still into June. I'm
hoping beginning of June as the opposed to end of
June like last time, but I would say some probably
someplace in the middle of June.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Just another question.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Comes off McCabe as disingenuous. I mean, she's saying she
doesn't remember anything from any of these conversations with numerous
police officers, but she remembers her bade them two conversations
with Karen Raid that night. So it just comes across
as she's you know, obviously leaving stuff out.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So that's that's certainly what the defense wants the jury
to get from her, you know, cross examination and what
she's saying. The question ultimately is that, you know, I've
been talking a lot about this lately, is is what
is the juror thinking? Because the jurors are really in
the best position, they're the most objective. They're not paying
attention to the case. They're not like us, you know,
talking about it every day. They're not listening to analysis
(36:52):
and you know, possing every single word. They have the
witness right in front of them at the moment, they
have the notes to take, and so I think that
again it's going to come down to what the juris think.
Do they think that some of her inconsistencies are so
significant as to, you know, find her uncredible.
Speaker 19 (37:09):
My question for the Karen Read trial is more of
the judicial system. It seems as though whenever Karen's lawyer
asks a question or something, someone says objection and the
judge says abstained and then she said it's in the
first word. You said, why are there words they can't say?
(37:31):
And what are they? And how does that work?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
So most of the objections that are happening that you see,
especially the ones where they don't go to sidebar. If
you hear an objection and then they go to side by,
this probably more of a lengthy argument. Generally, the objections
are going to be hearsay, leading or speculation, and largely
the participants, so that's the judge, the clerk, the defense
(37:54):
attorney of the prosecution all know when the what the
objection is. And so you can either the judge you
need the systein it, or she can overrule it. If
she sustains it and the party wants to be further heard,
then they have to go to sidebar. But those are
the general objections. There's more, of course, but the normal ones.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Doesn't it seem like the judge is always on the
verge of falling asleep? Is that just my impression? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, you know I think that, to be totally honest,
I think the judge is at a really tough spot
in this. I don't know that there's any wins that
can come out of it. Obviously she's under an immense
amount of scrutiny herself, and it's her job to not
only control the courtroom, but you know what comes into
the courtroom. You know, allowed the defense their ability to
present the case, but still follow you know, within the rules.
(38:41):
So you know she's I don't envy her position.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, because it's not like you see on TV.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
In a real court, it's very tedious.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
It just drags on, it doesn't I think it's you know,
it's it's important for people to realize that it's not.
When I was working in the DA's office, Dean Conley,
I worked under you always talk about the CSI effect
that people think it's, you know, this snappy up and down,
fast paced. It's not a lot of it is very slow,
very monotonous, and it's not quite as you know, enjoyable
(39:12):
as something, all
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Right, So we're going to get you back next Thursday,
Next Thursday,
Wow, best morning show in Boston.
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Billy and Lisa in the morning. It's just a great
start to my day on Kids Away.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Hey, good morning everybody, and a happy Thursday. It is Thursday,
and it is the first day of May. It's May Day, Justine.
We have been waiting, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Certain days right on this show that we wait for
for the dumbest possible reasons. Just the weekend here, May Day,
May Day.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Yeah, we've been waiting for May. And it's going to
rain this weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
You're riding.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Totally, and it's gonna get really cold again.
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Agent boy to New England.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
The ups and the downs.
Speaker 6 (00:46):
Every time I put my ugs, I can take them
back out. Oh yeah, I have like my ugs to
walk the dog or whatever, like my slip ons.
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You know, don't put your winter clothes.
Speaker 7 (00:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (00:54):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
My wife Michelle yesterday right was I saw them stacked
after she was putting all the comfortable, the comfortable blankets
from the living room and everything away. And I'm like,
we live in New England. It's not going to stay
warm and milk.
Speaker 8 (01:09):
It could be cold through June. It's going to be
in the fifties on Monday.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Oh yeah, I could use a blanket right now. It's
cold in here.
Speaker 8 (01:17):
God, I'll just walk around the sales department. There's a
lot of little you know, as you.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Notice, they keep it so cold in this building in
the wintertime. Lisa and I notice every morning if you
look on the back of every single chair, there's a
giant sales office outside our studio, and every chair has
six or seven layers of blankets and winter jackets. Cold.
Speaker 9 (01:41):
Huh, oh yeah, it's very cold.
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Oh.
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My nipples are hard as a rock right now. Oh great,
I'm just.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Saying, okay, did you just say that?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Anyway? Happy may everybody happy? The sky is bizarre.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
It's still a pretty day today.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah. So Karen Reid trial. We're gonna have Catherine Loftus
in this morning. We have her in live every Thursday
now and it's gotten interesting because they're suggesting that the
key witness, Jen McCabe is lying all over herself on
the stand.
Speaker 8 (02:17):
Well, she contradicted herself between the Grand Jerry testimony and
what she said yesterday.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
But Catherine will be in at seven ten this morning, right.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Yeah, we have plenty to talk about with her.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
You'll have her the whole hour. Yep, boy, what is
that like to have. She's been on the stand this
one woman, Jen McCabe, seven hours over two days, and
there is a day off today, but she's going to
be back on the stand again tomorrow.
Speaker 11 (02:40):
Good morning, it's the day of the South Then. Well,
Carlos came over to give me my massage yesterday and
it's official. I'm officially sucked into the Karen Rea trout.
It was on the TV and I couldn't stop watching it.
I can't wait till Catherine Loftus comes on. I love
her accent. One thing about that Jen mcay cabe, But
all I could say about her is what a liar.
(03:04):
Have a great day.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Everyone, Wow, who's Carlos?
Speaker 4 (03:09):
That's his messuse?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Oh, the mayor of the South End has a male
messuse come to the house.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Yeah, he talks about him a lot. He comes to
the house and rubs him down. The Mary gets all excited.
My nipples are right now.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I'll tell you the mayor definitely has a four
story townhouse right with an elevator. He definitely has an elephantors.
Speaker 5 (03:32):
Living the dream.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (03:34):
But I will say about Jimmy cabe, it must be
so nerve wracking, just as a oh, Yeah, person that's
not used to this kind of stuff. And I know
she you know she did it last year testified, but
it still can't be fun. She's being cross examined by
an Alan Jackson, who is just so good at what
he does.
Speaker 6 (03:50):
Have you noticed they both are taking a softer approach
this time. Yes, it's not as combative as it was
last year. I will say yesterday was the first day
where I really was honed in, like because she is
a very polarizing person that you actually really want to
listen to what she's saying.
Speaker 8 (04:07):
Oh, she's very vocal about the I hit him, I
hit him. Oh yeah, double down on.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That, which she didn't say in the first trial. But
she's tough. I mean to sit there for those This guy,
this is what he does for a living. His job,
Jack is to take her apart.
Speaker 7 (04:22):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yes, and she's standing for him.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yeah. Yeah, Well question Tromp, get your questions in. You
can do it right now. I already have some questions
for Catherine on the talkbacks on the iHeart app. Just
press that red little microphone there and leave your question you.
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Davio's restaurants, is a coming in and I believe he's
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That he did.
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That is so cool. And he's coming off a big
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But yeah, Steve's coming by by the way tomorrow. Andy
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Speaker 13 (06:30):
Hey, morning crew, it's your girl Sarah from Maine. It
is a beautiful sunny thirty six degrees up here. I
am just on my porch with my dog Winnie, and
I'm about to get in my ice bath, and I
thought that I would just drop a note before six
thirty to say good morning, love you all and I
hope you have a wonderful day.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
Thanks Sarah from Maine.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
She's so nice?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Is Sarah? Single? Ice bath?
Speaker 7 (06:57):
I know?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Huh? Hopping in early in the morning, thirty degrees up there.
Speaker 4 (07:01):
It's actually easier to do an ice bath when it's
colder out. You wouldn't think. So it's tougher when the
weather's warmer, right.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Because your body's already climatized.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Correct. Yeah, So if it's you know, sixty, seventy or eighty,
it's it's a lot harder.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, a good word, Lisa climatized.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
Yeah, yeah, my girl's wicked. Smot.
Speaker 14 (07:17):
What up, morning, crew? No, the caddy here calling in
from Las Vegas, Nevada. They ended up needing me, so
it's working out. I met a very attractive female staff
member at the golf club who ended up giving her
number to me.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
That was fun.
Speaker 14 (07:33):
Might hit the strip later with the boys and see
what happens. You know what they say, what happened in
Vegas stays in Vegas.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
So there we go, and that is what they say.
But remember what happens in Vegas days in Vegas, except
for herpes.
Speaker 12 (07:48):
People'll come back with you now the entertainment update with
the Billy Cops.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Yeah, the herpees always comes back with you.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
Be safe about that.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Still waiting for their next opponent, they get the winner
of the knixt Piston series. By the way, that series
resumes tonight with the game six the Celtics. Next round
it kicks off next week right here in Boston. May
fifth and seventh will be the first two games of
the series. Red Sox lost in ten innings last night.
And how about this. A Pirates fan fell from the
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stands at last night's game and is in critical condition
this morning. Here's the Pirates.
Speaker 15 (08:25):
Gah, both our medical staff, the Cub's medical staff, ms
everybody that got to the gentleman, even though it's three
hundred and fifty feet a wire or whatever it is.
And then the fact of how went down and laying
motionless were like all the play's going on. I mean,
Craig saw it.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I saw it.
Speaker 15 (08:40):
We both got out there. I think the Empires saw it.
Unfortunate because of the way the ball kicked. It's extremely unfortunate.
I mean that's an understatement.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Oh boy. By the way, remember the weird story about
the guy who fell out of John Elway's golf cart.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
He died, but it wasn't at it. But it wasn't
at a golf event.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
No, it is that the stage coach for rest of
all right, I believe. Yeah, they were cruising around lost
control again, careful Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
John always hanging out the stagecoach.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Interesting Yeah, I kind of thought so too. Yeah you
go John, No good for him?
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Yeah, uh so.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
The Falcons defensive coordinator whose son made that prank call
to Chador Sanders during the NFL Draft is being fined
two hundred and fifty thousand dollars and he is apologizing.
Speaker 16 (09:25):
My actions have not protecting confidential data were inexcusable. My
son's actions were absolutely inexcusable, and for that we are
both deeply sorry. The NFL has taken action, and I
fully respect the punishment. Going forward, I promised my son
and I work hard to demonstrate we are better than this.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And what's the sun's punishment. He's the one that made
the prank call.
Speaker 4 (09:48):
Damn kids, he's twenty one.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
Like he's twenty one though, Like I'm sorry, Like he's
he should know better, He should know better.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Yeah, he shouldn't be allowed to skate.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
Yeah he should.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
He should have been at that press conference apologize.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Yeah, well the dad should have made him apologize. That's
the right thing to do anyway. Charles Barkley the latest
to comment on the Bill Belichick Jordan Hudson, I call
it the hot mess here is.
Speaker 17 (10:13):
This is a very slippery subject for me because Bill's
one of my really good friends. I don't I'm not
sure what's going on. Uh, you know, he's been a
great friend for me for a long time. We've been
friends since he coached for the Browns. I think he
got to be very careful right now. This is starting
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to be on a very slippery slope. From what I'm hearing,
It's starting to be a very slippery slope. And I
never talk about people's personal relationship. That's that's another rule
I got. But I will admit I'm a little concerned
with some of the stuff that's going on, and I
might actually reach out to him and make sure everything's good.
But I am concerned from what I'm hearing.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
By the way, Belichick did release the statement yesterday. It
was in full support of Joy, but strangely the statement
came through a unc.
Speaker 8 (11:03):
Yeah, I think it's interesting that he's using the UNC
communications department to make a statement about a private.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Project, which is his book.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
But he did say that he did clearly communicate with
his publicist at Simon and Schuster that any promotional interviews
that he participated in would agree to focus solely on
the contents of the book. So that was the statement
that he made yesterday, and then CBS News came out
with their own statement saying, when we agreed to speak
with mister Belichick, it was for a wide ranging interview.
There were no preconditions or limitations to this conversation. That
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was confirmed repeatedly with his publisher before the interview took place.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
What do we believe, CBS CBS.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I would think that Jordan, who was controlling everything, would
have been the first one to say, yeah, you know,
we're not talking about this or that.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, she had a lot to say during the interview,
why not say it now? Meantime, there's another report this morning,
and this is the one I care about. It's suggesting
that Jordan has amassed a massive real estate portfolio since
meeting Belichick.
Speaker 8 (12:03):
Yeah, according to real litor dot Com, she's purchased three
multifamily homes in the Greater Boston area since December of
twenty twenty three, one in two and two town homes
in Dorchester and one in Roxbury.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Wow, a couple of houses on Nantucket.
Speaker 8 (12:17):
I'm a cottage in Harwich that she also purchased in
October of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
Didn't you buy two or three in one weekend?
Speaker 5 (12:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 10 (12:25):
She did.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
Those those are the ones in Dorchester and Roxbury.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Is better than a pension? What am I doing wrong.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Like that?
Speaker 8 (12:32):
That's that's that's a lot of money. That's a lot
after just dating.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
And it's probably an understatement. It sounds like it's a
lot more than nine million based on the number of
properties they're talking about.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
They're saying it's a mass to nine million dollars in
real estate. Yeah, so if they break up tomorrow, she's
Gucci because I think you told me, Lisa, they're all
just her name.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
They are there. It's an LLC.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
Not only that I saw there are more than twenty
companies that she's running through. Belichick, Oh my go wow.
This goes beyond gold digger. This is something else. This
is like psychosis.
Speaker 6 (13:04):
And he was fighting about the Nantucket house with Linda like,
let her have it, this girl after a few years.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Wow, I'm shocked. Yeah, I love this one. Ben Affleck
went on Travis and Kelsey Travis Kelcey is a new
New Heights podcast yesterday and talked about the greatest day
of his life with the exception of the birth of
his children, and it was when he was on a
vacation and somehow got to play catch with Tom Brady.
Speaker 18 (13:32):
I'm sure I disgraced every receiver that's ever run around
to this day, aside from the birth.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Of my children. They're the greatest.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
For two days I was on the.
Speaker 7 (13:47):
I think they thought I was lying to him, so
they got But it was like the nicest thing and
he's ever done for me, and I lived a full
life of dreams.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Right in that whatever it was our playing cash.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Now, I know what you're all saying to yourself, including
the listeners this morning. You're saying to yourself right now.
Ben has a sixty five million dollar mansion. Why can't
he have a better microphone in his house?
Speaker 4 (14:12):
It's so bad he cares that he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
It's like that the whole time, right.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
The whole time he was underwater. He was on the
Turn Show, a couple of years ago. It was the
same thing. He just doesn't care.
Speaker 9 (14:23):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so easy to just get
a better microphone or a better signal in your sixty
five million dollar man.
Speaker 8 (14:33):
Well, it makes you listen more intently because you have
to really listen.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, I love Ben. How about this? This one surprises me.
Barbara streisand has an album on the way with a
lot of different people featured on the album Ariana Grande,
Mariah Carey, Sam Smith, Paul McCartney. Hozier is on the
album What What Just Anyway, that album's on the way. Meantime,
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the Selina Gomesbini Blanco Deluxe album is out tomorrow. The
new Insurance on Old Phone drops at eleven o'clock this morning,
and the new Doja Cat song Lose My Mind from
the new Brad Pitt f one movie is Brad Pitt
f one Driver.
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yeah that looks good.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, So the movie itself will be out June twenty seventh,
and there's a new Roadhouse two movie coming. Guy Ritchie
is going to direct at this time. Jake Jillenhall is
definitely back. And finally, Andre Agassi won the US Open
Pickleball championship in Naples. Now I need to tell behind
(15:45):
the scenes the championship. The US Open is held at
the Community Center, which I belong to in Naples.
Speaker 5 (15:54):
Fifty there.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Oh yeah, Michelle and I actually went to the US
Open Pickleball Championship about a year, maybe even two years ago.
Speaker 8 (16:01):
I'm happy for Andre and fifty five. His partner's eighteen.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
He's the champion.
Speaker 18 (16:07):
Myself as somebody that you know, I'm a searcher and
I'm a journeyer, and I'm a person that likes to learn,
and I'm a curious person. And so if you just
reverse that that side of it, you know, I love
the idea of somebody be able to being able to
learn and you know, ten minutes what might have taken me,
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you know, ten years. So in that respect, you know,
I hope to I always hope to impact people.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Do you remember his hair when he played tennis, he
had the long blonde hair. Now he's bald, He's completely bald.
Speaker 6 (16:42):
I just kind of look him up because I mean
I read his Yeah, you should read his book.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
Yah, book's really good.
Speaker 8 (16:47):
He talks about he really had a hard time losing
his hair, like when he was playing.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Tennis because his hair was his life.
Speaker 8 (16:53):
So much anxiety. Yeah, yeah, I really.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Liked that book. Yeah, I'm thinking Lisa's Andrea Agascy.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
They were amazing thirty chio million in prising when you
played a lot of money.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
Oh no, he was number one in the world, was
really big.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, right to the money.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Oh yeah. And by the way, he's from Vegas. He
grew up in Vegas.
Speaker 6 (17:16):
Wonrying so much about him in the.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Imagine the irony though, beautiful locks of hair, but then
it was falling out. Yeah, and he's completely balls. It's
not like he shaved his head. His hair is gone.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Yeah. Well he owns it. Yeah yeah, you got to
own it.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
And he looks fabulous both ways with and without the hair.
He married Brooks Shields. Oh yeah, Oh I didn't know.
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Speaker 17 (18:00):
She's a Meglomania.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
She's a gold bigger, always ready.
Speaker 19 (18:04):
To attack the unsuspected man.
Speaker 17 (18:07):
Her weapons are her looks, her personality.
Speaker 12 (18:10):
Are you from the Planet's Fitness Kiss one Away Studios,
We're back with a Villy and Lisa in the morning
on Kiss one.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
So I know this is gonna sound crazy, but I'm
kind of fascinated by swingers me too. Right, every time
you see a story about swingers, right, you think, wow,
this is fascinating, But it really does exist. In fact,
there's a swingers club in Connecticut. Didn't it just shut down.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
With They actually had a name. It was called the
Wicked Fun Club.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
It was a private swingers club in Plymouth, Connecticut and
it was ordered to shut down following a town meeting
on Tuesday because it's thirty feet away from a Baptist church.
Speaker 1 (18:51):
Wow, So what do you suppose goes down in the club?
You know what goes down? Bill swinging sacs. I just
I'm fascinated by it.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
So it was at LISTA. It was like an open club.
It was an opening club.
Speaker 8 (19:05):
Yeah, and it was in the category of adult youth
studying that the club's own description of consenting adults engaging
in adult sexual activities, and that's why town officials and
church members said that they it needed to be shut down.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
They definitely engage in adult sexual activities and.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
It's a violation of zoning regulation.
Speaker 13 (19:25):
I know.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
I just always thought to myself, they're kind of underground.
You know, they don't publicize what it is.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Well, the fact that they have a name and everything.
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Yeah, odd, like don't they don't Swingers have like a
code like things pine apple?
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well, swingers Swingers existence used to be very underground, but
now they're all over social media too. They've got like
social media sites that they meet and greet and everything.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Right, Well there are apps, yeah, there are apps.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
Now Yeah, here I am and here I come.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
Yeah, Which is is like people can live their life.
I have no judgment on anybody. Do whatever you want
as long as you're not and anybody exactly fine with me,
you know, different strokes, different folks.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
No, I'm slightly entertained by it, but I would never
I could.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
I wouldn't either.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
No, I couldn't, not for me, But like I couldn't
go out with my wife Michelle knowing that we're going
to swing.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
Weren't you approached by somebody once though the two of you?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yes, yeah, okay, but I know that. Look, I know
that if if we were to consent to something like that, right,
I know for a fact, I know myself, okay, I
would never be able to look at my wife again.
One of us would have to move out just the
next morning.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
It just seems like a lot of pressure.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, like, yeah, well, I mean human nature. Right away,
you're thinking, well, is he better than me?
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Yeah? Well you're a one woman guy, right, Yeah, yeah,
you don't want to share anything?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Well, I don't want to, you know, knock on the
door and there she is with like feet in the air.
Speaker 9 (20:59):
Yeah, just like, okay, I'm not you know, that's a visual.
I'm sorry, it's not for me.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 9 (21:09):
I thought we're all done, you know, It's like, no,
I couldn't possibly.
Speaker 17 (21:18):
So.
Speaker 12 (21:19):
Last week I was at an adult's only, all inclusive
resort and I heard that it's like a swinger's thing.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So I was kind of panicked, and every.
Speaker 13 (21:31):
Time anybody gave me like a look that was a
little bit longer than.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
Maybe it should have been, I would just immediately look
away because I what would.
Speaker 5 (21:40):
I don't even know what I would do.
Speaker 8 (21:41):
That's a nightmare that you book herself into an all
inclusive and you don't know that that's what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, what were those famous resorts heism? Hedonism was one
of them all. I visited one one day. I know
that sounds weird, but no. I was there on a
vacation and didn't realize that right next door on the
other side of the fence on the beach was Hedonism.
And so my wife at the time and I as
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a joke, said, oh, let's go get a tour bizarre.
I mean, you know, literally on the other side of
the fence fence the same beach. Once we got on
the other side and we had a tour guide for Hedonism,
Like everybody's playing volleyball naked, like just everything's bouncing around,
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and like then they took us into the club that
was the nightclub that everybody would gather at night, and
I'm like, oh my god, you know you can't even
get into it, but you could just sense the bodily
fluids all over the room. Yeah, it was like, yeah,
what am I even talking about?
Speaker 19 (22:55):
God?
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Every morning?
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I wait, okay, we're back at the Karen Reid trial
is in full swing. It's a day off in the
trial today, but I think Jen McCabe is going to
be back on the stand again tomorrow and every Thursday
we have our own in house lawyer. Are we paying
you or something?
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I love?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
I have to tell you. I have listened to you
guys since I was a little kid. So just the
pure fact that I'm on here as your legal expert
is enough payment.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Well, maybe we should give her a billion lease in
the morning hoodie or something.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Today.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I'm making college hype, right my objective?
Speaker 5 (23:31):
We love college.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
This morning, this hit me that you know we have
you in so regularly because the Karen Reid trial is
so popular in people's minds. It's almost like once a
week we put you on the witness stand.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
I'm okay with it, Okay, ask away.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Uh this Jen McCabe. Everybody keeps saying, key witness, key witness,
key witness. Is she making a difference at all?
Speaker 2 (23:52):
She's making less of a difference. I think this time
than last time. The first time we saw the trial,
you know, everybody was sort of focused on what she's
going to say. We know that Alan Jackson is going
to go at her really aggressively this time. You know,
there's not as many surprises. We sort of know what
the questions are that are coming. She's certainly more well
prepared this time. She looks more relaxed. She's answering questions,
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you know, in sort of a more direct fashion.
Speaker 8 (24:16):
Can you take us behind the scenes of that coaching,
like how much coaching would she have gotten?
Speaker 2 (24:22):
So you can't coach like you know, we use the
word coaching, but it's really you can't coach a witness.
So there's no coaching from the prosecution. There is prep
in so she talks about the fact that you know,
they went over testimony. As a prosecutor, you cannot tell
a witness what to do, what to say. This is
how you want to answer. But I am sure she
has had you know, she has her own private counsel.
Attorney Reddington represents her previously did. And you know, as
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an attorney, if you have a witness going understand, your
advice is basically, you know, take a deep breath. They're
going to try to get under your skin. That's Alan
Jackson's number one goal is get under your skin. If
you can avoid letting him get under your skin, and reacting.
You're going to present a lot lot better, you know,
just tell the truth, even if it's not favorable. And
I think whoever is giving her advice, she took it
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and it seems to be working.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Here's the thing that keeps crossing my mind with trials
like this one. Jen McCabe, for instance, Okay, over two
or three days, she's been on the stand for seven hours.
She's going to be back on the stand tomorrow. It
seems like a job. Shouldn't they get paid? I mean,
she didn't do anything wrong, She's got to put all
this time in and the witness stand has to have
a lawyer. I mean it seems crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Well, the great state of the Camo of the Massachusetts
does pay if you ask, witnesses can get paid. I
think it's somewhere in the realm of thirty or forty
dollars that you know, if you have to.
Speaker 5 (25:37):
Get total, that doesn't that doesn't even pay for it.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
Like a blowout she had nice, yeah, I mean she
presented very different.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
She presented very differently, even just physically. She didn't seem
as stressed. She's you know, and that reads to the jury,
whether you know, how intentional or not. We want to
you know how we want to evaluate it, but it
definitely plays to the jury.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
And it's Karen's lawyer's job to break her down, right,
But they haven't done that yet.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Well, I think they have in some ways. The question
is how significant are those ways. There's clearly things that
Alan Jackson was able to catch her, and you know,
they're questioning about the dog. Was you know, how could
you have not heard this? German shepherd questions about when
the federal investigators, which they can't reference, but they're alluding
to them. You know that she told them she called
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you know, I think two people, but she really called
five people, so there's small inconsistencies.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
He's catching her in and she said she used a
fake name.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
She's a fake name, right, yeah, to whom to investigator?
So apparently it was the probably the FBI agents, most
likely they're not named in court. But what she said was, well,
there were two people, and generally the Feds do come,
you know, in playing clothes and without badges or anything.
And she thought that they were salespeople. So she said,
oh no, that's not me.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Here was the other part I didn't really get. She
was talking yesterday on the stand about when she went
in the high and up the stairs and into the
bedroom to wake there. Who was it the the a
couple up out of a dead sleep?
Speaker 15 (27:11):
What?
Speaker 1 (27:12):
Yeah, and this is as everything was going on outside
the house.
Speaker 5 (27:16):
But also that has something to do with the dog too, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So that's what one of the lines of question that
I think was effective. It just brings kind of this
question to the Jerry's mind of you know, is it realistic?
Is there any way that you could sleep through this
kind of chaos outside? You know, it's wowed. There's lights on,
there are no sirens because there's no necessity for sirens,
you know. And I think there's there's two ways to
look at that is one, it seems a little odd.
(27:39):
It's pretty chaotic right outside on your front lawn. You know,
you don't hear it seems suspicious. What inferences can we
draw On the other side the kom walls going to say,
you know, use your common sense. It was a blizzard.
It's five o'clock in the morning, the wind's whipping, and
everybody was drinking until two thirty in the morning. So
those are the two basically, you know, during.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
That testimony, I'm thinking at own. No, they were under
the cover saying quiet, quiet, don't say anything, Pretend you're asleep.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
And that's what and that's what Al jests. That's what
the defense wants you to believe, you know. And that
goes with the dog Chloe and that Jemma Cape testified
that she didn't see it. Now did she not see it?
Was it not there? Was she in a state of
traumer and she just doesn't remember whether it was there
or not. You know, those are all questions that ultimately
the jury can decide what weight to give each piece
of evidence.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Well, I was always thinking, somebody starts walking up the
stairs into my home at night, in the middle of
the night, and Titus sleeps in the bed with us.
You know, Titus is certainly no attack dog, but he's
gonna bark for sure.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
I mean, I think it's reasonable, for the most part,
for most dogs to unless you have a really docile
dog to back if somebody comes in the house in
the middle of the night. So you know, whether what
she said was the dog could have been there. I
don't know. I just don't have a memory of it.
What the question is, what does that actually mean? Was
the dog actually not there or was it there?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
And she doesn't. We got to take a break.
Speaker 12 (28:56):
Now it's topic time with Billy and Lisa, and yes.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
It is, and we call this segment calls for Catherine.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I like it. I don't know, maybe making a regular thing.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Catherine Loftus is our so called the in house lawyer
that talks about and comments on the Karen Reid trial
which is going on. This is a big week with
the key witness of Jen McKay. But it's a day
off from the trial.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Today it's law Day. Apparently as a lawyer, I should
know what laude is, but I think it might be new.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well, congratulations counselor it's law day. Let's start with the
Brianne in Fall River. Briann, you have a question for
a counsel of Loftus.
Speaker 20 (29:37):
Yes, good morning. I was wondering if you think that
Jen forgetting a lot of the details this time around,
or at least it seems like she's forgetting all of that,
is going to come back and kind of bite her,
so to speak, with her credibility.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
I think that there are small pieces of credibility that
you know when you attack them. As a defense attorney,
Alan Jackson is doing. There's certainly a active right. It's
not that the questioning that sort of the answers that
she's getting caught in things that are slightly different than
the first time, a little bit off. It certainly allows
the defense to make the argument, hey, this is not
(30:13):
a credible witness, and therefore you should not trust anything
else she says. The question then becomes like the jury
looks at overall, if we're able to catch her in
an inconsistency, does that mean okay, everything she says is
off the table, or are we able to somehow you know,
think well, well, maybe she made the mistake this way.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I like when she said, you know, we're all like
normal moms here, we're not used to this, which really
softened things, right.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
I think. So there were there were a number of
things she said, you know about when the when the
police came and she said, well, I hadn't brush my
teeth and I knew I had to go you know,
another time I had to go back to the house
and break it to the kids. She definitely there were
there were some instances, as myself a forty one year
old mom, that that made sense and you sort of okay,
that feels relatable, and I think ultimately, when we think
(31:02):
about how to assess witness credibility and what the jury
is going to look at, they don't just look at
one thing. Right. If there's a bombshell, like you're caught
line and something so significant that it just takes all
credibility away, that's one thing. But when you get caught
in a couple of things, is the jury going to say, well,
now we shouldn't believe anything she says? I think that's unlikely.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
I keep waiting for the bombshell. I don't think.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
I don't know there's going to be.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
I don't think round two. I don't think we're going
to have the same as we did Ron one.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Let's go to Kathy and need him. Kathy a question
for a counselor loftus. Oh hi, yes, I was wondering,
do you think that this trial would be.
Speaker 17 (31:41):
As big if if the parties were reversed and Karen
was the victim?
Speaker 2 (31:49):
That's an interesting question. I think that, you know, being
totally honest, I think that this case hook on a
life of its own because it has a lot of
sort of the factors in a good storyline. You know,
we have a Boston police officer victim. We have a
criminal defendant who's you know, a pretty you know why
(32:09):
that factors into it. She's you know, middle upper class educated,
All of the parties don't really fit the stereotypical criminal system.
And then on top of it, you have all the
allegations of corruption. So I think it's almost like a
perfect storm of why the case has guided so much attention.
I don't know that it would be the same. It
would probably be a different kind of evaluation if the
(32:31):
roles were reversed, but it certainly has all the makings
of a good story.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
You know, earlier, at least it was talking about the
witnesses being coached by the lawyers. Does anybody coach the lawyers?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Well, we all talk as attorneys. We talk with each other, right,
so if you're whether you're in a DA's office, if
you're on the defense side, I mean, even civil lawyers,
we all bounce things off. When I don't know something
or I need help, I go to a lawyer who
knows better than I do or has been through something.
So in a way, yes, they do. They ask each
other questions. You know, how do you think I should
(33:05):
ask this? Should I go at her, you know, softly,
should I go a little bit more aggressively?
Speaker 1 (33:09):
They rehearse it right like behind the scenes.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yeah, both the prosecution and the defense. They have their
whole line of questioning set up, their openings. They closing
is like those are well well run.
Speaker 1 (33:19):
Okay, let's go to Kim in West Roxbury. Kim, you
have a question on the red trial.
Speaker 10 (33:25):
Ah, yes, I just I am curious And I've read
a couple of people who've posted this on social media.
When Tim McCabe went to her sister's house and saw
the dead body on the front LAWNE, wouldn't your first
instinct why into your sibling's house to make sure that
they were okay? But yet she never did not until
(33:47):
the police officer asked her to go in.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
That's a good point.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, I think it is a good point. And that's
one of those things again that goes to the jury
is advised by the judge at the end of this
to use your common sense, right, So just use what
you think would be a reason reaction. And I think
there's two ways to evaluate that. I think some people
look at that and say, how could you not go
inside right away? On the other hand. You have Jim McCabe,
carry Robins, Karen Reid finding a body on the front lawn,
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you know, per their testimony, you know, and whether you
credit it or not, they say, you know, they heard
her saying I hit him, I hit him so and
you know that he didn't come in the house. So
I think it's really difficult. All of us can sort
of piggyback what would we have done in hindsight. Shouldn't
you go in, shouldn't you come out? Shouldn't you say
it this way? But when you're in the midst of
a traumatic situation, I think it's really difficult to say.
(34:35):
What you know? Is there one right thing to do
over the other? I'm not sure that.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
I'm going to tell you those are some sound sleepers. Boy,
I would give anything for that for just one night.
You know.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I'm one of those sounds sleeper. So that's why I
can buy it.
Speaker 7 (34:48):
Just a question how long can can Jackson go with
with cave and cross?
Speaker 4 (34:53):
And then I love how long he's taken him.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
I'm just curious, is there a time limit to a cross?
Speaker 2 (34:58):
There is very judge specific in this case, there's no
time limits. So she set time limits for opening statements
and closing arguments. But that's essentially it. You know, there's
other courts. If you go down a federal court, there's
judges there who will say, you know, you have an
hour for cross examination or thirty minutes for this witness.
So you have to be very, very particular. There's a
lot of leeway here. Obviously, you know, there was the
(35:18):
direct examination by Hank Brennan of Jen McCay was pretty
extensive in and of itself, and so you want to
allow the defense to have that same time. And then
of course after cross we'll have Hank Brennan get back
up do redirect, and then Alan Jackson will do recross again.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
I have a question about pace of the trial, given
like the last couple of weeks, where do you see
this sort of ending.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
I think it's getting it.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
I think it's moving a little bit quicker than last time.
It seems to be the cases coming in a little
bit more succinct and clear and concise. However, we do
have a lot of experts still to come, both from
the Commonwealth and from the defense, and generally experts a
little time heavy, you know, they take a lot of
hours to explain the specifics and then the cross examination.
(36:00):
So I would say we're probably still into June. I'm
hoping beginning of June as the opposed to end of
June like last time, but I would say some probably
someplace in the middle of June.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Just another question.
Speaker 7 (36:10):
Comes off McCabe as disingenuous. I mean, she's saying she
doesn't remember anything from any of these conversations with numerous
police officers, but she remembers her bade them two conversations
with Karen Raid that night. So it just comes across
as she's you know, obviously leaving stuff out.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
So that's that's certainly what the defense wants the jury
to get from her, you know, cross examination and what
she's saying. The question ultimately is that, you know, I've
been talking a lot about this lately, is is what
is the juror thinking? Because the jurors are really in
the best position, they're the most objective. They're not paying
attention to the case. They're not like us, you know,
talking about it every day. They're not listening to analysis
(36:52):
and you know, possing every single word. They have the
witness right in front of them at the moment, they
have the notes to take, and so I think that
again it's going to come down to what the juris think.
Do they think that some of her inconsistencies are so
significant as to, you know, find her uncredible.
Speaker 19 (37:09):
My question for the Karen Read trial is more of
the judicial system. It seems as though whenever Karen's lawyer
asks a question or something, someone says objection and the
judge says abstained and then she said it's in the
first word. You said, why are there words they can't say?
(37:31):
And what are they? And how does that work?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
So most of the objections that are happening that you see,
especially the ones where they don't go to sidebar. If
you hear an objection and then they go to side by,
this probably more of a lengthy argument. Generally, the objections
are going to be hearsay, leading or speculation, and largely
the participants, so that's the judge, the clerk, the defense
(37:54):
attorney of the prosecution all know when the what the
objection is. And so you can either the judge you
need the systein it, or she can overrule it. If
she sustains it and the party wants to be further heard,
then they have to go to sidebar. But those are
the general objections. There's more, of course, but the normal ones.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
Doesn't it seem like the judge is always on the
verge of falling asleep? Is that just my impression? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:19):
Yeah, you know I think that, to be totally honest,
I think the judge is at a really tough spot
in this. I don't know that there's any wins that
can come out of it. Obviously she's under an immense
amount of scrutiny herself, and it's her job to not
only control the courtroom, but you know what comes into
the courtroom. You know, allowed the defense their ability to
present the case, but still follow you know, within the rules.
(38:41):
So you know she's I don't envy her position.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
Yeah, because it's not like you see on TV.
Speaker 5 (38:47):
In a real court, it's very tedious.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
It just drags on, it doesn't I think it's you know,
it's it's important for people to realize that it's not.
When I was working in the DA's office, Dean Conley,
I worked under you always talk about the CSI effect
that people think it's, you know, this snappy up and down,
fast paced. It's not a lot of it is very slow,
very monotonous, and it's not quite as you know, enjoyable
(39:12):
as something, all
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Right, So we're going to get you back next Thursday,
Next Thursday,
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