The Top 25 Moments Of 2025: Moments 18-13

The Top 25 Moments Of 2025: Moments 18-13

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now that's to Billy and Lisa's top twenty five moments
of twenty twenty five kids. What do we so?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Lisa? Every morning, pretty much on the show, we deal
with topics.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
We like to call them discussions or conversations. Sometimes they're weird,
sometimes they're crazy.

Speaker 4 (00:15):
It's topic time.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's exactly.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
It can go sideways.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
And this particular morning we were talking about I don't
know how we landed on this topic, but the biggest
lies you've told as a parent, or your parent has
told you.

Speaker 5 (00:29):
There were so many ones. My parents were the biggest liars.

Speaker 6 (00:32):
You know.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
I think we've all been.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Yeah, you come to realize, Wait a minute, they were
lying to me a lot number eighteen.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Okay, this only has to do with you.

Speaker 7 (00:41):
And you used to come in and say that you
would tell your children when they were at the circus
with you that during intermission that the show was over.

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh yes, I remember this, now come on, it's over.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Yeah, you have no idea.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
Think I use this everything from Disney on ice to
the rodeo to the circus, any of those events.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
When intermission came and the lights went on, I would say,
come on, we gotta go.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
We get to eat the crowd, and I said, we
can grab a souvenir before they run out. On the
way out, you know, I'd definitely take them in the store,
grabbed the souvenir. I said, come on, we'll never get
out of the parking lot.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
We'll get a hurt. They never knew, Yeah, never knew,
never knew that it was only half.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
There was a second half.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
That's a good one.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
I think one of the first events that I took
my son to when he was probably two or three,
was I think Disney on Ice. Yeah, and you told
me that before we went. He has a hot tip.

Speaker 6 (01:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, because nothing's going to change in the second half.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
It's just more people skating around and animals skating around.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
That's true. Oh God, so many lives.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
The circus stays the same second half.

Speaker 5 (01:47):
I saw reel over the weekend and it was all
the lies your parents told you, and I checked every
single box. I believe all these were true.

Speaker 8 (01:55):
My parents, when we were young used to tell us
when they were eating lobsters that they were eating bugs,
so we wouldn't want them.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Wow, that's creative.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Well aren't they kind of like bugs the sea?

Speaker 4 (02:10):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Yeah, No, they're not the bugs.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
Of the sea. But I know what you're saying.

Speaker 5 (02:15):
No, they used to be a long time ago. They were.
They were, They weren't a delicacy. They were given to
people in prison. Prison, and then the galleys rowing the ships. Yes,
you know, the slaves.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
For lack of a better word, they would give them lobster,
and then lobster became.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
They're scavengers basically.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
What it is now. Yeah, they are scavengers. Just keep
in mind when you're having the lobster. Everything they eat
is off the is off the bottom. Yes, they're bottom feet.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
They are.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
They expense it's odd when you think of it, expensive.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Body, and they keep getting more and more expensive. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (02:50):
My mom always said that if you had the shower
on while it was thundering and lightning out.

Speaker 9 (02:55):
That you would get struck by lightning.

Speaker 7 (02:57):
So I, still eight years old, will not take a
shower if there's a storm.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Oh my god, my parents should tell me that one.

Speaker 5 (03:06):
I never heard that one. Yeah, and the pool was
a big one using water right wait, yeah, wasting the
water away?

Speaker 2 (03:14):
What are you doing in Yeah?

Speaker 4 (03:15):
You guys remember that.

Speaker 10 (03:17):
When we were younger, they would say, if you had
a dream and you died in your dream that you
would die in real life.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
I think I remember that, but I think it was
other kids that told me that, not my parents. That's
a little morbid for your parents to tell you, you know.
But one of them was about coffee, that if you
drink coffee as a kid, it will stunt your growth.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
As a parent, I still use the coffee will stunt
your growth.

Speaker 10 (03:39):
My toddler's always trying to take a sip in my coffee,
and I told him he'd shrink down like ant man
if he.

Speaker 11 (03:44):
Takes a sip in my coffee, and he still believes it.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
It's so crazy, like we teach our kids not to lie,
but then we kind of tell them lies.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
And there were so many more. I'm racking my brain
that my parents would tell me. A lot of them
related to a school or I mean, there are so many.

Speaker 12 (04:02):
So I love dogs, my dad doesn't. And a big
lie he would tell me when I was a kid,
is dead while I pet a dog. If I get
the eye booger of a dog and then rub it,
then rub my eyes, I would see black and white forever,
or I would get like blind.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
So that's a big lie.

Speaker 5 (04:24):
See, now we're just just completely making stuff up here.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I've never heard anything even resembling that one. Never heard that.

Speaker 5 (04:31):
There was one of the lists about sneezing with your
eyes open, and I kind of was speculating, I don't
think you can sneeze with your eyes open.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
I actually learned this in the college class ones.

Speaker 10 (04:40):
You physically can't sneeze with your eyes open because it's
a reflex that your eyes automatically close.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah, I believe that.

Speaker 8 (04:48):
Well.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I always was told that your heart skips a beat
when you sneeze that way, and I have sneezing jags
in the morning, so you know, my.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Heart skips a beat just regularly.

Speaker 5 (04:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (04:58):
Yeah, I have like an a rhythm.

Speaker 8 (05:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Wasn't there a song my heart skips? There is?

Speaker 5 (05:03):
I think I have the same thing, but there's a
name for it.

Speaker 2 (05:06):
Really.

Speaker 5 (05:06):
Yeah, because I had an e KG, they thought something
was wrong and they said it was that, and.

Speaker 4 (05:11):
They said, it's no big deal, it's not Yeah, it's fine.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
What pill. No, wasn't there something about warts frogs? Yeah?
They came from frogs.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Yeah, frogs.

Speaker 8 (05:22):
I used to have actually a reoccurring nightmare about swallowing
a watermelon seed and being rushed into the hospital because
my stomach was going to explode from the watermelon road
in my stomach.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
I'm telling you, I was full of fear as a
kid when I heard these things. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (05:39):
Mine was swallowing gum, like never swallow gum.

Speaker 5 (05:41):
Yeah that it was really bad for you. Just sits
and the more that you you swallowed, the more would
pile up.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yes, and we found proof to the contrary, right with
the gum swallowing.

Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah, it's a few days. It's a few days that
sits in your stomach and then it passes through.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Good morning crew.

Speaker 10 (05:57):
This is not one that was told to me, but
something that I used to tell my kids. I would
tell them when we were at the beach if they
found a sand dollar and we put it on the
dashboard of the car, it would turned into a real dollar.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Kept them busy forever, and it only cost me a
few bucks.

Speaker 2 (06:11):
Have a good day, I walk the beach.

Speaker 5 (06:18):
Let's go to Selene. I think she's back online.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Hey Selene, Hi, good morning. Hey we got you. Give
us a good one.

Speaker 7 (06:28):
So when I was little, I was told if you
pick your nose and ate year boogers, it would make
worms grow in.

Speaker 5 (06:36):
Yeah, I never heard that one, but.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
So gross?

Speaker 5 (06:42):
Oh really?

Speaker 4 (06:43):
Yeah, what's he doing now?

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Is in the hospital getting a worm removed?

Speaker 5 (06:51):
Chrissy's online one and Canton, Chrissy, you're on the air.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Go ahead, Chrissy, Chrissy.

Speaker 5 (06:59):
All right, Christy is not on the air. Okay, Let's
go to Nina in Weymouth. Line three. All right, we'll
try that one, line three.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Nina you there. Okay, we're having trouble.

Speaker 5 (07:10):
With the phones. Yeah, what's the deal with the phones today?
That's weird.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Yeah, don't do anything because something else might happen.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Okay, we won't, we won't.

Speaker 9 (07:18):
I remember when we wouldn't finish all the food on
our plate at dinner time. Our parents would always say,
you have to eat all of your food. There's children
starving in Africa, and thinking about it today, I'm like, well,
what was were you supposed to do? Send them what
we didn't finish.

Speaker 7 (07:34):
I still my parents say, that's that's me my kids. Yeah, well,
it's about wasting food, it's having right, that was sort
of the moral.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Of but they wanted to guilt you, right, young children
are starving in Africa.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Yeah, you got to eat those carrots.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (07:51):
Meanwhile, you know, unfortunately there's starving kids everywhere.

Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
Really it's about food wasting.

Speaker 8 (07:56):
Yes, anybody hear the one that if you ate food
directly from can, like canned soup or canned beans.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
That you would get lockjaw and not be able to
open your mouth.

Speaker 4 (08:07):
That's a new one.

Speaker 3 (08:08):
Yeah, that's a new one on me because most of
what we ate came out of a can.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, true, yeah.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
True, Morning Morning Show. I think you're forgetting that. A
lot of our children are listening to you guys on
buses and on car drives to school. So thanks for
blowing our cover.

Speaker 5 (08:26):
Oh I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Now that's a Billy Unlesa's top twenty five moments of
twenty twenty five on kids.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
What do we Okay?

Speaker 3 (08:34):
So we do it every year, Lease, we count down
what we thought were the twenty five standout moments of
the Billy and Lisa Morning Show. I love this particular
morning we're going to talk about because John Taffer is
from Bar Rescue and I'm a big fan of the show.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
I am too, and I'm a big fan.

Speaker 7 (08:50):
Of his exactly, and he came in he's celebrating his
new Brown Butter bourbon.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
But told some really funny stories.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Number seventeen. What do you come here to do everything?
Because this can't be your result, This can't be you
what your best? Please tell me, just like you know
what your best John, But this is you at your best, Billy.
I'm doing my best. But man, you are larger than life.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
As they say, Bar Rescue is such such a good show.

Speaker 2 (09:22):
We have another clip.

Speaker 4 (09:23):
For you, z alsoon from Attleborough.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
And this isn't a question, but I just want to
say that.

Speaker 9 (09:26):
During the pandemic, I would watch hours upon hours of
bar Rescue every single day, and so I just want
to thank.

Speaker 4 (09:34):
John for bringing me a little bit.

Speaker 2 (09:36):
Of joy and those crazy days of isolation.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Gianna, you were watching it with your boyfriend Drake last
night and you said to John, you called the show something.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Our comfort show. His name is Jake by the Love
for show, It's our comfort show.

Speaker 7 (09:49):
He put it on last night without even knowing that
you were coming in this morning.

Speaker 5 (09:53):
Wow.

Speaker 13 (09:54):
So he was flabbergasted when.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
I told her you you were set up for today.
I was set up for today, John. It's always good
to see. It was a two years ago already, But you.

Speaker 14 (10:02):
Were last year, Billy. It's been a crazy year for me,
but it's always good to see you, my friend.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
This is great John. By the way, he's back in Boston.
He's celebrating his new bourbon brown up butter Bourbon.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yep, you happen to bring anyway.

Speaker 14 (10:13):
We did it, of course, see you without come on,
it's bourbon time on the Billy and leads the show.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
I got to tell you, watching the show makes me
dizzy because I can't even imagine how much production goes.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Into bar rescue. Yeah, you know, I was.

Speaker 14 (10:29):
I was mentioning briefly to you earlier that you know,
we traveled the crew of about fifty seven and so
it's five trucks.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
When we go to a city.

Speaker 14 (10:37):
We have to do three bars in each city to
make the economics worth because it's so expensive to bring
everybody in. Once we do that first night, I show
up at about six o'clock at night. I get it
literally about a sixty second briefing. This is John and
George are in debt, this amount, they're ready to kill
each other. Blah blah blah, they're losing such amount of money.
I go in and do recon. I don't know what's
going to happen. Till I go in there. Billy, I've

(10:57):
never met these people. I've never been in this placement.
Some of them's all real. Yeah, so it's all real.
I'm not ahead of you, and I think that's why
I bar the rest of your successful I'm finding it
out when you're finding so when recon ends. What people
don't know is I take all the employees, I put
them all in vans in the parking lot, and I
designed the bar that night. So I'm given the demographic report,

(11:19):
a competitive report. I look at my verticals, my horizontals.
I don't know how many sports bars are in the area,
how many this or in that area, how many of
that in your era? So I come up with the
concept that night. The next morning, when we show up,
what you see on television is training and stress tests.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
On day two.

Speaker 14 (11:34):
What you don't see is we're approving the barstools, the
wallpapers were putting together today. You've got to work with
interior designers.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
I'm in the middle of everything. Nothing happens that I'm
unaware of. Do you have your own interior designers that
trouble with you.

Speaker 15 (11:46):
I do.

Speaker 14 (11:46):
I have a designer we call an art director, and
I have a production team of about twelve just in
the art department for remodel. So then what will happen
is at the end of day too. All the logos
are the signed companies, the recipe is in the food
orders and the beverage orders, the furniture's ordered.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Here's a little secret.

Speaker 14 (12:03):
If you look at Bar Rescue, the bar stools almost
never match because when you need sixty bar stools overnight,
you can only get twelve of this, six of these,
nine of those, you can't get sixty at the same game.
Look at the episodes, you'll see I try to put
the yellow ones on one side and the green on
the other, or mix them up.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
I try to make it make sense.

Speaker 14 (12:23):
But when you're remodeling it and that quickly, you deal
with what you get. So at the end of stress test,
everybody goes home, they're not allowed to come back to
the bar, and we start construction. So we build it
the night of day two all day day three. That's
why we train off site Billy, because we're building it
on site, So we train them at another location and

(12:44):
then the fourth day, that afternoon we reveal it to them.
So we do build it in thirty six hours and
what you see in bar Rescue is pretty much day one,
day two, day three, day four, as it happens.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
But here's the deal.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
You also have to play the part of a family
therapist alive because I've watched a lot of episodes and
it seems like the family owned restaurants or bars or whatever.
It seems like most of the families have one failed
member that's just screwing up the whole thing, and you've
got to sit down with that person, sit down with

(13:17):
the family, make it all work. And a lot of
times you'll give the failed member more responsibilities, but you
have to make sure that everybody's on board with that.

Speaker 14 (13:26):
Well, you know, when somebody isn't caring and not working,
it could be a lot of reasons, and I believe
I need to find the primal reason. What is the
primal instinct that's causing them to shut down. It could
be lack of pride. It could be that somebody is
stifling them. Yeah, could be they don't have confident. What
the heck is it that's causing them to do that? Yeah,
I got to figure that out, and I got no

(13:46):
time to do it. So that's the trick. Once I
find out what it is that's causing them to do it.
Lack of motivation because he felt unimportant, made him feel important.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Have you ever had to fire a family member? Oh? Absolutely?

Speaker 14 (13:59):
And you know what I tell family is, you know,
in the business, you're not a family, You're a team.
You see, families protect each other in weakness. Little Johnny's trying.
They have little Johnny at break Little Johnny doesn't feel
good today.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Right, that's a family. You protect each other weakness. That's
exactly what you don't want in a business.

Speaker 14 (14:14):
So I say, be a family outside inside, be a team.
If you strike out, you get benched, right, Billy, Yeah, sure,
big difference than a family. Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
If you were to think of all the places you've
done and revamped and everything in families and bar owners
that you've met and spent time with, is there one
that stands out that whenever you're hanging out with somebody
at a bar having some of your brown butter bourbon,
that you say, you won't believe the worst thing that
ever happened to me, the worst place I had to do.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Is there one?

Speaker 14 (14:43):
Yeah, there's one that always strikes me as the most powerful,
you know, spirits on Bourbon is a very successful rescue.
They made millions and millions of dollars. It's a great story,
but it's not a family. It's two partners. There was
a family in South Carolina. They owned a bar called Characters.
You might remember with this one. And in Characters, they
had their whole staff in like the most ridiculous Halloween

(15:08):
style costumes. In one of them was Marilyn Monroe and
others Burt Reynolds and and we're just so tacky and awful.
And there was a daughter who cried all day every
day because her brother just beat the hell out of
her because she couldn't do anything right, and the parents
were stuck in this awful situation. That was Charlie a
Helen guy remember Andrea, Yes, and Alexander was their last name.

(15:33):
And I put in moon Runners based on the original
days of Moonshine. Oh yeah, they would go and they
would do it during the darkness of the moon is
when they would bring the moonshine down the mountain and stuff.
We put it together, and we and we fixed the
family along the process.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
And the daughter's life dramatically changed.

Speaker 14 (15:52):
The brother respected the daughter, the parents were just enthralled
by the entire thing. Now I can tell them, I
communicate with them off and they just opened two new
locations at the same time. Good for them, and they're
doing terrific. And when you fix a family, Billy, it
feels so good. I mean the bricks and mortar building
a bar. Ayeah, that's great. But that's not why I
do it. Yeah, you know, I do it because I

(16:14):
want to look in their eyes and feel like I
made a difference to somebody or some family.

Speaker 2 (16:18):
And that's really a powerful thing to that.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Well, the minute we said you were going to have
you on, we've been getting talkbacks and we've been getting calls.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
People want to talk to John Taffer. We get some
right here.

Speaker 6 (16:27):
Hi, John, big fan of yours.

Speaker 8 (16:28):
Your show is always on at my house every Sunday.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
You're yelling, brings me joy. I have a question for you.
What would you say the grossest thing you've ever seen
an employee do before? Thanks? Oh oh boy. There's a
couple I want to be. There's a clean show.

Speaker 14 (16:45):
But I found a used piece of sexual apparatus behind
the bar once.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
That was a shocker.

Speaker 14 (16:52):
I went in to do recon in the bar in Austin, Texas,
called headhunters, and I did recon with my wife and
she was wearing open toe heels and the cockroaches were walking.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Across our feet on her. And we had a shut
down production. It had a Class five infestation.

Speaker 14 (17:09):
We had to shut down production, tempt the building fumigated
or you know, fog it out and then go back in.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
And it was a class five infestation. It was unbelievable.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
And now you've got to deal with the town and
with permitting, and you've got to clean it up and
have it reinspected.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
Oh my god.

Speaker 14 (17:25):
And we have a production schedule, and now we're behind
in schedule, so the next bar has to push back
two weeks and then but you know, that was a
pretty disgusting one.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
You know, what you do is another one. We can't
back and have some brown butter bourbon. That's what I shouldn't.

Speaker 5 (17:36):
Well, you're not going to drink that, are you. He
opened the bottle gianna. He can't drink that on the air.
He gets drunk on one step. Okay, there we go,
we go.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Oh my god, Oh he's doing it.

Speaker 5 (17:46):
Oh we're doomed.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Stuff delicious, right.

Speaker 10 (17:53):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
It almost made me swear on the air for the
first time man got some color in your face, now, bro.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Now back to Billy and Lisa's Top twenty five moments
of twenty twenty five on Kiss one O eight.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
So it's kinking about Halloween tradition on the Billy and
Lisa Morning Show. And Halloween comes around, we have Maureene
Hancock him in the.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
Studio right exactly.

Speaker 7 (18:17):
She connects with spirits and people that you want to
reconnect with you've died.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
So Maureen came in right.

Speaker 7 (18:23):
Before Halloween, and I have to tell you this time around,
it was like out of this world.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
How like spot On she was You're scary.

Speaker 5 (18:31):
I think I got the most chills of any segment
during this one right here.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Number sixteen, Let's go.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
To Tracy on the phone from Boston. Tracy say hi
to Maureen.

Speaker 13 (18:40):
Hi Tracy, Maureen, Hi, who are you hoping to hear from?

Speaker 6 (18:43):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (18:43):
You have a lot of dead people. It's like the
Verizon commercial.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
I have a lot.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
I have a lot too.

Speaker 16 (18:50):
So so you said your cousin Shirley, I can't hear
you that, Okay, So you know you say Shirley, but
all of these other people are coming through and maybe
an aunt that passed. And then was anybody like a
big bowler, like candlepins for cash?

Speaker 4 (19:08):
Oh boy, yeah, my my my grandfather Charlie.

Speaker 16 (19:13):
Wow, like big time on the leagues and all this,
And because I definitely, yeah, he was like a champion.

Speaker 13 (19:21):
He had like trophies, right, yes he did, yes.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
He did.

Speaker 16 (19:27):
Yeah, he just bowling trophies, right, don't laugh. But he
came in just because you know, it's been a very
long time obviously. And then where does the breast cancer
or female cancer connection come in.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
My cousin Shirley I just mentioned, passed away from breast
cancer and our grandmother, my grandmother, also had breast cancer.

Speaker 16 (19:49):
But she survived, so surely I was begging her, like
in my head, I was like, surely, come on, come up,
step up.

Speaker 13 (19:55):
To the plate.

Speaker 16 (19:56):
And then I heard bring up breast cancer. So she's
trying to let you know absolutely she's here. You've definitely
had visits from her, and lots of like pennies and
dimes too. They drop look at the dates too, because
they often mean something. But she just wants to make
sure that everyone knows she's like, I'm fine, and she

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never complained and she didn't tell people how.

Speaker 13 (20:18):
Bad it was right.

Speaker 12 (20:21):
Yeah, that's right, yep.

Speaker 8 (20:23):
Oh my god.

Speaker 16 (20:23):
She's like, I'm fine, never mind about me, I'm fine.
So lots of love from the heavens above.

Speaker 13 (20:28):
Thank you, So.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
You're saying, Maureen, when the spirits visit, they drop coins.

Speaker 4 (20:34):
Sometimes they do.

Speaker 16 (20:35):
Now, my nephew, who passed tragically at nineteen started leaving
nineteen eighty four pennies and dimes, and that's the year
of his birth. So I work with cancer children, and
when i'd be going into children's hospital, there'd be if
there was a child getting ready to go to heaven,
there'd be a dime on my seat and I'd be like,
no way, is this.

Speaker 13 (20:55):
Nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 16 (20:57):
Flip it over at nineteen eighty four, Like, so, I'm
just as surprised as you are.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, okay, let's go to Kim. She's in taunt and
Kim say good morning to Maureene and God.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Good morning Maureen.

Speaker 13 (21:09):
Hi Kim. Who are you hoping to hear from?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
I was hoping to hear from my mom?

Speaker 16 (21:14):
Okay, oh, you have a good gang in the heavens above.
Two because everyone came in and her mother is past. Yes, yeah,
it's probably a given, but she couldn't believe she saw
her mom and her did her.

Speaker 13 (21:28):
Dad go before her mom?

Speaker 6 (21:31):
Yes?

Speaker 13 (21:31):
Many years right?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Not No, I think within like a year. Oh jeez.

Speaker 16 (21:39):
Okay, So she's just shown me the lineup of who
was there first and then her mother and then she
saw her.

Speaker 13 (21:44):
And just yes and no she had illness.

Speaker 16 (21:47):
Yes, yes, your mom, just because she's saying, stop picturing
me sick. I don't want you to picture me sick.
And then do you have two kids?

Speaker 8 (21:57):
I have three, but I do biological to what adopted.

Speaker 16 (22:02):
So she and she watches over all these kids and
someone is Chris or cook cook cut. I keep getting
that Sierra can go ahead.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
The Christian.

Speaker 6 (22:11):
You know that's my oldest son.

Speaker 2 (22:12):
Yep.

Speaker 16 (22:13):
So she's gonna she's talking about your kids, and she's
pointing him out because she's trying, really trying to like
help him.

Speaker 13 (22:20):
She just said, he's.

Speaker 16 (22:20):
Smarter than they the teachers give him credit for smarter
than they know. So he's an old soul you know that, right?

Speaker 4 (22:28):
Oh yeah, yes, you too, yep.

Speaker 16 (22:31):
So your mom she's very factual, like I'm here, you
don't need a medium, save your money.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
So listen.

Speaker 13 (22:40):
Lots of love from the heavens above, Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
Take care.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Let's go to Kristin now in Derry, New Hampshire, Christian
say hi to Maureen.

Speaker 13 (22:50):
Hi, Maureene, Hi, Kristin. Who are you hoping to hear from.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
My mom?

Speaker 13 (22:55):
Oh? So is your mom kind of private?

Speaker 10 (23:00):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (23:01):
So she's very strong.

Speaker 16 (23:02):
But she literally said, really, Kristen on the radio, I can't.

Speaker 4 (23:07):
She just can't.

Speaker 13 (23:08):
So but I love like she's kind of.

Speaker 16 (23:10):
A wise guy gal as well. And then I heard
don't picture me sick? And also, what's the Florida connection
or down south?

Speaker 14 (23:25):
She always wanted to move down south?

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Oh wow?

Speaker 16 (23:28):
But I feel like too, like someone's going to ask
you to go because Florida is coming up big time
and you know, possibly February and March. Oh she's saying,
you need to bring Mariene Hancock with you, right, I'm
just kidding.

Speaker 13 (23:43):
But see she doesn't.

Speaker 16 (23:44):
She's literally like, I'm here, you need to trust it.
I do feel like she had illness. Did she have
trouble like breathing, coughing?

Speaker 4 (23:55):
I'm not really sure she passed suddenly from a drug overdose.

Speaker 16 (23:58):
Oh okay, so possibly I just kept getting like like
I couldn't breathe and that kind of thing. But you
know what, I have to go to your grandmother as well,
and someone's like Mary Margaret.

Speaker 13 (24:12):
I know, what's a common name, but I keep hearing
the m Do you know.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
My mom's name is Margaret?

Speaker 13 (24:18):
Your mom is Margaret.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Wow.

Speaker 16 (24:20):
So she's trying to make things up to you. So
please know that, like she you signed up for a
heavy life contract. You know that, and you are a survivor,
and she is so proud of you. So take that
right into your heart and lots of love from the
heavens above.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (24:38):
Okay, let's take another call. You want to do a
couple of talk back shows?

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Just they've got so many. Let's do one more call?
All right, Alice, final call, Say hello to Marien.

Speaker 16 (24:50):
Hilease one eight hundred collect call from heaven.

Speaker 13 (24:54):
Who are you hoping to hear from?

Speaker 17 (24:57):
My dad?

Speaker 13 (24:58):
Okay? So wow? So who had?

Speaker 8 (25:02):
So?

Speaker 16 (25:02):
I just saw an antique car or he pulled up
in one and did anyone have like a corvette?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
My dad said that he was like a teenager.

Speaker 13 (25:15):
Well, you know, sometimes they'll come through young like look
at me, look at me. You know, I'm young again?

Speaker 2 (25:20):
And find got the corvette?

Speaker 16 (25:22):
And he got the Corvette, so it's an upgrade. But wow,
and so he's he's definitely strong. He just said he
went downhill very quickly. Do you understand that? Yeah, he
just said, I can't believe this happened. Like he's just
all about family and new kids. And where does the
five come in? Like is he one and five? Is

(25:43):
there five kids?

Speaker 12 (25:44):
He is five?

Speaker 16 (25:46):
So there's a wire here in the studio and it
has a big five on it, and he kept pointing
to it and talking about his family.

Speaker 13 (25:54):
So has it not been that long for him?

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Like three?

Speaker 6 (25:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (25:59):
He passed into oh.

Speaker 13 (26:00):
Just in July. Okay, because literally I got chills.

Speaker 16 (26:03):
And when you get the chills everybody, that's called the quickening,
and that's the spirit body. But it also tells me
like this hasn't been long. But he goes like this,
I'm fine. Do you want some lottery numbers?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
What are you looking for?

Speaker 13 (26:16):
Is he funny? Like dry?

Speaker 5 (26:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (26:20):
And Daddy's little girl, that's what he said about you.

Speaker 16 (26:22):
And hey, was it you who put the hand through
glass when you were young?

Speaker 9 (26:29):
I actually think it was me.

Speaker 11 (26:30):
I was really really young.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
I was crawling on a picture for him.

Speaker 16 (26:34):
Yeah, he just keeps going back to younger years.

Speaker 13 (26:37):
Do you see that?

Speaker 16 (26:37):
Because he's doing his life review now. But please know
he absolutely hears you. You're gonna have the dream. You're
just trying too hard. Lots of love from the heavens above.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Now that's Billy and Lisa's top twenty five moments of
twenty twenty five.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
Kids, What do wait?

Speaker 15 (26:53):
All?

Speaker 6 (26:54):
Right?

Speaker 7 (26:54):
Top moments of twenty twenty five include author Jeff Benedict.
So he wrote The Dinist, that book which they turned
into the Apple TV ten part series that we all
watched about the Patriots and the Crafts and Brady and Belichick.

Speaker 4 (27:08):
It was huge.

Speaker 7 (27:08):
So he did My book Club, and he had such
insight about how he was embedded with the Patriots for
like two years. He had unlimited access to conversations and
to discussions.

Speaker 4 (27:21):
He took us inside, he really did. And this is
an amazing interview, number fifteen.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
So, Jeff, I got to make a point here if
you don't mind, Okay, I know New York Times Bestseller,
Emmy Award winner, Right, I'm not mistaken, right, keep going
hundreds of stories and essays. And you did Lebron James,
you did Tiger Woods obviously The Dynasty. But you know what, Jeff,

(27:47):
you haven't done Lisa Dunovan's book Club yet.

Speaker 7 (27:51):
Welcome to the Octagon exact the mother of all book club.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
I was waiting for the punchline.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
Now you got it.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, Well, thank you so much, Jeff for doing this,
Lisa doing a fabulous shop with the book club, and
I think you're really really going to enjoy the experience.

Speaker 6 (28:09):
I can't wait, really looking forward to it. I think
it's tremendous and it's also great just because it's right
the heart of Boston. So as a new Englander, I'm looking.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
Forward to it.

Speaker 7 (28:20):
The link is up, registrations are rolling in, I'm told,
so we're going to fill this thing up.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
In the next hour or two. It will be sold out.

Speaker 7 (28:26):
But I mean, Jeff, we as a group here, we
would come in and watch the docuseries The Dynasty on
Apple TV, and then we would come in and just
talk about it, right.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
Yeah, because there were so many parts that just gave
us so many questions and I got a lot of
chills during the docu series. Justin you want to play
a clip from the Brady Revenge Tour that season.

Speaker 4 (28:50):
It was like a song from Taylor Swift. He was like,
look what you made me do.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
A year fba.

Speaker 15 (29:03):
You know, I'm all baby said that for a long
time pulling for us anyway.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
Pretty drill first beginning touchdown, This dude is on another
level to begin with. I'm scared his hell of Brady
right now.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
You can tell he was angry and we're like, the
king is back here he goes, watch her get pissed off.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
And go, Jeff, do you still get the chills when
you watch or hear some of this?

Speaker 15 (29:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (29:42):
Actually I do.

Speaker 10 (29:43):
I mean.

Speaker 6 (29:43):
One of the things that was for me at least,
that was really satisfying and fun about making the documentary
that was different than the book is that we got
to use music like we use Taylor Swift, the Rolling Stones,
David Bowie, Freddie Mercury as a way to really bring
emotion and power to some of the scenes in the film.
That it's obviously a very different medium than the book.

(30:06):
The book will always be probably the thing I love
the most because I spent a few years with the
Patriots team writing that book while Tom was in his
final two seasons in New England. By the time we
made the documentary, Tom was gone and things were different,
but it was just an opportunity to do something on
television that you can't do.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
On the page.

Speaker 7 (30:28):
One of the things that we talked about a lot
when we were watching it was that it seemed like
it was a little harsh on Belichick.

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Would you agree with that?

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Not really?

Speaker 6 (30:39):
I mean I think I actually thought we were pretty
soft on Bill. I think what's jarring for people though,
and the reason I understand why some people think that,
and that's a feeling that's actually pretty limited to New
England and particularly like hardcore Pats fans, but is that

(31:00):
you're seeing Bill on television in an environment that you
never see him in before. Bill doesn't really do interviews.
He does press conferences and he kind of has a
stick that he does in a press conference. In this situation,
he was in a very foreign environment. He's sitting in
an interview chair being asked questions that he's really never
had to deal with before, and so he looks very stiff,

(31:23):
he looks uncomfortable, and the fact is he was stiff
and uncomfortable in that environment. But I think if you
look at the series in its totality, what you do
see is you see who Bill is he was a
very tough, taciturned successful football coach who had a huge
part in why the Patriots were so dominant for twenty years.

(31:45):
And then you contrast that with Tom, who's kind of
the other half of that equation, and their personalities are
very different, but the way they came together, it's pretty
remarkable what they achieved. But I mean, look, you're seeing
Bill as Bill in the series.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
So did you get calls or email or text from
Bill or from Robert or from Tom the first time
they saw the docuseries?

Speaker 5 (32:11):
No, no, no, I mean I would never.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
I mean I definitely heard a lot. Well, you know, look,
you get to know people as I was in this
thing for five or six years, right, I mean, I
worked on these two things back to back. I went
from the book to the series, so like five or
six years of my life was invested in telling the
Dynasty story in two different mediums. And you get to

(32:35):
know people pretty well and the organization well. And I
feel like I know that organization really well and the
people who are in it and have a tremendous amount
of respect for everything that was done there, starting with
the crafts and how they built it and sustained it
over that twenty years. It's a remarkable run. By the way,

(32:56):
no team is going to catch them. The Chiefs, in
my opinion, used to have very little chance of ever
replicating what the Patriots did. Now.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
The Aaron Hernandez chapter must have been a difficult for
you to navigate.

Speaker 6 (33:12):
I mean, as a storyteller, it really wasn't that hard.
Look a ton has been written and said about that case.
And the nice thing is I wasn't writing a book
about Aaron Hernandez, nor would I want to. It's a
predepressing subject. However, if you're going to write a definitive
history of the Patriots dynasty over a twenty year period,
you can't just kind of skip over that like it

(33:33):
didn't happen. It's a part of the dynasty that actually
happens right in the middle of the two Super Bowl runs,
the first run in the early two thousands and then
the back end run in.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
The late twenty teens.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
Hernand sits right in the middle of that, and that's
kind of a little bit of a dark spot. And
so I mean I covered it in the book. Over
like a couple of chapters in the series we dealt
with that whole thing within one episode.

Speaker 3 (34:02):
I can't even imagine the relationship between you and the
videographers and the editors taking your story, putting it to film,
putting it to pictures. It just seems like such a
complicated process.

Speaker 5 (34:15):
It is.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
That's why it took over five years.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Now, that's a really Unleash's Top twenty five Romans of
twenty twenty five on Kuth.

Speaker 8 (34:25):
What do we so?

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Lisa Michelle and I my wife and I have had
two trips to Africa in the last year, and when
I went the second time, I was I think it
was this past October. We had an experience that was
absolutely life changing, mind blowing.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
It turns out elephants a one.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Of a very few species that actually have ceremonies funeral
services for somebody from their herd that may have been
you know, poached or injured or e been killed.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
And the two of you actually got to experience this ceremony.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
We watched it develop and we watched it happen.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
I'm getting chills again just thinking about it, but it
was an amazing moment for us.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
In the Bush in Africa Number fourteen.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
I've saved one story because I thought this was the
most outstanding story and experience.

Speaker 5 (35:21):
Is it going to be as dirty as the lion
story from earlier?

Speaker 2 (35:25):
No, I did that one earlier. Yes, lions got it
out of the way.

Speaker 17 (35:29):
Yeah, thanks Billy for that. Just trying to enjoy my night,
enjoy my dinner. And what do I see when I
open up Instagram? Just two lions going at it. So
thanks night, ruined meal ruined, Thanks Billy.

Speaker 7 (35:43):
He said it to everybody in his contact us, right,
let yeah, oh I thought you posted that to everybody
he did.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
Oh, okay, all right, he opened his Instagram he follows Billy.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Okay, So I have to say when I saw it,
I looked at it and I was like, are you
really posting this? Is this really happening for people that
don't know.

Speaker 5 (36:01):
If you go to Billy's Instagram, he posted a video
of two lions.

Speaker 4 (36:04):
You know, fornicating doing it. Feline fornication.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah, that's the term we've come up for.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yes, thanks to Chris from WBZ TV this morning.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah. Now you have to understand we didn't go looking
for it.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean we were out there in the wild and
you pull up to certain areas because you got word
there might be some lions or you follow the tracks,
and these guides that take you around every single day,
they know track from track. They know if it's a hyena,
they know if it's a leopard, a cheetah, an elephant,
you know, bushbuck, whatever. So we pulled up to this

(36:37):
area where there were, in fact, a pride of lions,
and closer we got very close to these two because
it was the first time we had ever seen a
lion and a lioness together. And apparently they travel once
they hook up, they travel.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
And very quickly.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
I'll just tell you we learned while watching them have
sex that they have sex every fifteen minutes for two
full days.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
Yeah, that's just to make sure it sticks, like it
just makes sure.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
I don't know, and I really didn't want to ask
for any more information on it.

Speaker 7 (37:05):
But they're doing a job, right, it's it's it's to
make sure that the species continues to move ahead, right,
So that's why they do it over and over exactly.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Justin when you study had marital problems and Billy, you
know that was affecting it.

Speaker 9 (37:21):
I thought you were going to talk about the two
Second Mountains.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
No, no, no, that's a.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Separate issue, you know, what's funny lice? When I saw
the lions and the lion and the lioness, you know,
having showtime.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yeah, I thought of Justin really yeah, And I even
texted him, I said, I don't know why Justin, but
the first thing I thought of was you, because he
was so jack with testosterone.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Okay, he thinks you have like just like quickie stuff
he's obsessed with.

Speaker 5 (37:50):
See, Okay, that's not can you not? Can you get
to the elephant story. You're spending way too long? Okay,
I'm already in the doghouse because of the camper.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Okay, so all right, listen this sore. When you're on safari,
you leave early morning. Every morning, they wake you up
at four point thirty with coffee with a little knock
on the door, and they're armed because it's.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
Still dark out.

Speaker 3 (38:11):
And you go on a morning safari, and then you
come back for a couple of hours, you chill, you
have lunch, and then you go on an afternoon safari.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
So and what happens is.

Speaker 3 (38:19):
Your cruise around the bush, you know you're going into
and out to, and they have these watering holes scattered everywhere.
And I should mention the conservation people this is very cool.
They actually have pumps that pump water constantly into these
watering holes because the animals really depend on it and
their families and their bucks.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
So anyway, we pulled.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
Up to one of the watering holes that we went
to quite frequently, and it was way out, it was
like two hours out into the bush, and.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
We suddenly realized.

Speaker 3 (38:51):
And the one thing I told the gods even my
first trip to Africa, I said, one thing I never
want to see is a kill. I never want to
see an animal being attacked by another animal. I would
never recover from that. So, by accident, we pulled up
by the watering hole and we saw that a baby
elephant had been killed by a lion, and two or

(39:13):
three lions were still lying nearby the caucass. And so
then what happens is animals gradually start coming to the
watering hole, and you can see them from far away,
like herds of elephants approaching with their babies and everything else.
And then giraffes will come in and they need to
get a drink of water too, and this goes on

(39:33):
all day. Zebra and Wilderby's they all come in for
their drinks and they seem to get along everybody and
the hippos are in the middle of the watering hole.
So anyway, we see the carcass, and this was the
most emotional moment of the entire trip. One of the
herds of elephants came in and they kept getting closer
and closer to the carcass. They actually chased the lions away,

(39:55):
which isn't an easy thing to do. They don't give
up their meat. They up this one herd of elephants,
and after a couple of minutes, you started getting a sense.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
And none of us spoke because you have to be quiet.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
None of us spoke in the jeep, but we all
got a sense at the same time that this must
be I'm getting chills, this must be the baby elephant's mother.
And sure enough, the guy said, yeah, here's what's happening here.
Because the group of elephants, young and old, gathered around
the carcass and the mother elephant would appeared to be

(40:30):
the mother, you could feel the sadness and we all
looked at each other and we whispered.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Oh my god, this is a memorial service.

Speaker 3 (40:40):
Yeah, Like it was like a church service, and it
was very organized where they put all the baby elephants.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
In the middle. They are very protective of the babies.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
The elephants in the middle so that the lions couldn't
get to the babies, and the mother was leaning over
the carcass and they do everything with their trunks. The
trunks are extremely sensitive, and you can tell that the
mother elephant was basically blessing the child with the trunk, yeah,
and would sniff it and then curl it up into

(41:10):
a knot almost like so she could keep the scent
of her child as a memory.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
I'm telling you, you didn't need anyone to narrate. You
didn't need anyone to tell you.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
After a couple of minutes, you knew exactly what was
going on, and the lions were smart enough to stay
away because the mother elephant also chased the lions away
from the car because as if to say, leave her
alone or leave the baby alone, and lions, it's the
only thing they fear in the wild or the elephants.

Speaker 5 (41:37):
Yeah, you said that, the jungle, but they're afraid of
the elephants.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
Yeah, lions owned the night, as they say out there.
But anyway, we sat quietly and watched and I'm telling
you justin. We were as close as Lisa and I
and Riley are to you right now watching this go down.

Speaker 4 (41:53):
How long did it last?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Oh? Half hour? It just went on and you could
just hear the silent.

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Clicks of the camera slowly walk away like yes it.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
Yeah, because there was one point where one of the
lions tried to get back to and the mother again.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Chased it away.

Speaker 5 (42:08):
It's like a funeral.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Yes, it was a funeral. By the way, you can
go to my Instagram and you can see this video.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
You can see everything we posted, I mean videos of
all different types of animals doing different.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Things, different experiences.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
It's a magical place what we witnessed, basically, and this
hit me when I was flying home the circle of life.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Now back to billion Lisa's top twenty five moments of
twenty twenty five on Kiss one O eight.

Speaker 3 (42:34):
So let's face it, at the Karen Reid trial dominated
the news and people's conversations for almost a year or
even longer, right, l Yeah.

Speaker 4 (42:43):
Because we went through two trials.

Speaker 7 (42:45):
So we had the opportunity, through my son Max and
his best friend Asa, to connect with one of the
attorneys for Karen Reid, David Yanetti, so it's weird that
that's how we got David.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Was through my son Max and he came into the studio.
She did number thirteen.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
Daveanettie, Welcome, Consolor, Thank you so much for having me
is here. Karen Reid, one of Karen Reid's lawyers. And
you know, there are some interviews that we just get
so excited about. So like for the last ten minutes,
you know, we're all coming in and out of the studio.
We're asking you questions, we're having conversations and anyway, we're
thrilled that you were able to come in on the
show this morning. But the way you got here is

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a little unusual, and I think we touched upon it
outside the studio. Lisa Dunovan's son Max A Max, how
you doing? His buddy asa funny kid. Turns out is
related to you in some way.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
Yeah, so he's.

Speaker 15 (43:41):
It's my wife's family.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
So you know his mom, whom Emily Franklin.

Speaker 15 (43:46):
I've known her for you know, twenty thirty years. You know,
the family's very close. She's the one who you know,
asked if I would come on. I can't say no
to Emily.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
You would have said no to us.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
We've been working on this for a year.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
No comment, Okay, So I don't even know where to start.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
So off the air outside the studio, Lisa brought up
an important point, and that is when the verdict.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Came down, you cried.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
Yeah, you were well up.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
And my question for you, counselor, is were you crying
happy tears for the verdict or were you crying happy
tears that it was over a little both.

Speaker 15 (44:35):
I was very relieved that it was not another hung jury. Uh,
you know, given the way the evidence came in, I
was not concerned really about a conviction on one of
the homicide charges. I didn't think they had it. I
had confidence the jury would agree with us, but I

(44:55):
was concerned that maybe there was a holdout or two,
you know, because we had just been through a hung jury,
and so part of it is, you know, I'm thinking
I can't do this again.

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Trial three.

Speaker 15 (45:08):
I mean, you know I would have, but boy, that
would have been a daunting prospect. But you know, the
other aspect of it is, you know, you put three
and a half years of your life into something. You know,
you develop relationships with, you know, your client and your
co counsul and you're all going to war together. And
then you know when when it's finally over, and you know,

(45:29):
we got the verdict that we had been working toward
and hoping for for so long.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah, you know, I just I wasn't prepared for the
emotions that I had.

Speaker 15 (45:41):
You know, I go back and watch the clip and
it's like I start to smile and then it just
kind of comes over me and I couldn't help but
tear up. You know, I've said, I'm you know, I'm
a little embarrassed that that's the first time that a
client has had to comfort me.

Speaker 2 (45:59):
After and then it was off to Barcelona, right.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
We're a talkbacker that said that you have it justin
because I don't think he had a chance to hear it,
but I said, really, it's like.

Speaker 11 (46:11):
To hear Davey Nettie on the show. This morning last
month when we were in Barcelona, we turned around and
he was at the dinner table immediately behind us. He
took a few minutes to say, hello, what a nice man,
and what a well deserved vacation he and his wife
are having.

Speaker 15 (46:28):
They were the sweetest people. Yeah, I mean, you know,
I have this it's like, you know, fifteen minutes of fame.
You know, it's very temporary, but because of the exposure
the case has. You know, when I go out in public,
I'm off and recognized and I love it. You know,
I know this is going to dissipate, so but I'm

(46:50):
enjoying it while it's going on. But I didn't expect
In Barcelona there was you know, a table full of
you know, a family, and I thought they were looking
at me. Funny. I was like, this's not a chance
they know who I am. But turns out they were
from the Boston area and there's very very very sweet people.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Well I'm guessing that verdict it's pretty good for business.
On David, I don't talk about my other clients.

Speaker 7 (47:24):
Can we go back to the very beginning and when
you got that phone call from Karen Reid?

Speaker 4 (47:29):
What was it about the story that made you want
to take the case?

Speaker 15 (47:34):
Well, I mean, you know what I do is people
people are in trouble and they call me, and it's
rare that I would refuse to take a case.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
So you know what, what what struck me was I had.

Speaker 15 (47:47):
A different impression of Karen than you know who. She
actually turned out to be a very sweet voice on
the phone. She sounded confused, she sounded scared. You know,
this is not anything she ever had been through in
her life. And I think her head was spending. But

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she sounded really young to me. So you know, my
first thought is, this is, you know, maybe a woman
who's like in her late teens or early twenties. And
you know, boy, she turned out to be, you know,
quite different.

Speaker 2 (48:21):
And this was this phone call was in the middle
of the night pretty much right, well, it was on
a weekend, so it was.

Speaker 15 (48:27):
On the Sunday of like the biggest blizzard weekend we
had had, right and so you know this, I'm walking
around my you know, living room with a cup of
coffee and nobody's outside, nobody's doing anything. And yeah, and
I get this call and I happen to pick it up.
And that that doesn't often happen, I mean, on the weekends.

(48:50):
We have an answering service. Yeah, you know, but but
I had the calls forwarded to my cell phone.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
And you know I got her.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
Well, as it happens, the blizzard became a big part
of the story, correct at the trials, I mean, and
that night and everything. So you say, she sounded young.
Did you get a sense of how immediate her danger was,
like the situation she was in.

Speaker 15 (49:14):
Well, sure, I mean, you know, she suspected what she
might be accused of in light of the contact that
she had had with the police. So you know, I
did expect and you know, prepared for the fact that
charges would be taken out.

Speaker 8 (49:32):
I was just.

Speaker 15 (49:34):
Surprised at the charges that they chose to take out.
My feeling from the beginning was, even if they thought
that there was a collision between her car and John O'Keefe,
which I think we showed a trial, there wasn't. But
even if they thought that, my read on the cases,
at most, this was a motor vehicle homicide, and you know,

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they went right after her right from May one with
manslaughter charge and then and she.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Was the only one they suspected that she was the
only suspect.

Speaker 15 (50:04):
Well, I mean, you know, obviously it came out in time.
I didn't know that at the time, but it came
out in time that you know, they they just focused
on her, in my view, and you know, that was
certainly part of our defense.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
We're talking with the Davenetti, one of Karen Reid's lawyers,
I've got so many questions, Lisa, You've got a ton
of questions.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
Go ahead.

Speaker 7 (50:24):
We were talking about the difference between the first trial
and the second trial, and when you found out that
Brennan would be a part of the second trial, what
you know, what were what were you guys talking about
when that came out?

Speaker 4 (50:37):
So are you thinking?

Speaker 15 (50:39):
You know?

Speaker 2 (50:39):
I had two parallel thoughts.

Speaker 15 (50:42):
One was I was surprised, excuse me, that the district
attorney hired somebody from outside.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Their office to prosecute the case.

Speaker 15 (50:53):
I mean, that's an office with dozens of lawyers, and
my thought is my first thought was they don't have
anybody there that they trust to handle the case, So
it was surprising to me. The second thought was that,
you know, we had a big fight on our hands
for trial too. You know, I didn't know Hank Brennan personally,

(51:15):
but we have a lot of mutual colleagues and acquaintances,
and he has an excellent representation as an reputation, I
should say, as an excellent trial lawyer.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
So you know, we we were ready for a big fight.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
Going back to that original phone call, you couldn't have
imagined in a million years what that case was going
to turn into a fascination people had with these trials.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
No way to predict that, you know.

Speaker 15 (51:46):
I mean, anytime there's an alleged homicide of a police officer,
it's a big news case. So you're ready for that,
but you're not ready orienticipate painting. I should say, what
this case ultimately became.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
What was it like walking into the courtroom every day?
I mean, it was a very crazy scene. It's it's
it's surreal.

Speaker 15 (52:10):
I mean, as a criminal defense attorney, you know, you'd
sooner be vilified than cheered, right, We're not used to that.
But in this case, the public was overwhelmingly on our side.
You know, to be walking into court with people, you know,
cheering your name and uh, you know, asking you to

(52:31):
stop and pose for selfies and autographs.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
It's it's surreal.

Speaker 3 (52:35):
But I have to imagine that had to be tough
on the other side. I would imagine that it was,
you know, because there is a victim there. There's only
one dead person, of course, and and it is a tragedy.

Speaker 15 (52:51):
I mean, you know, but by I don't, I didn't
know John O'Keefe, but I've yet to meet somebody who
says anything bad about him. Yeah, Yeah, his story is
incredible and you know, taking on his niece and his nephew.
A selfless person and it's a tragedy that he's gone.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
During the interviews, I think in one of the docu
series or something talked about I forget what you called it,
but like the working space where you folks would get
together and you spend so much time together banging heads
and comparing notes and everything else.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
In fact, during the trial and watching the docu series.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
I was kind of imagining it like scenes from that
movie A Few Good Men with Jack Nicholson and they're
yelling and screaming in the apartment and everything about what
to say, what to do.

Speaker 5 (53:38):
With the trial? What was that like?

Speaker 2 (53:40):
The whole working space so to say, I mean, you know,
it's very intense.

Speaker 15 (53:45):
You know, you don't often have a trial that lasts
for two or three months. Where you are, you know,
working with colleagues with whom you don't have a prior
relationship really, and you know, everybody is you know, the
alpha dog. Everybody is used to being in charge and

(54:05):
now you have to share, you know, decision making and
you know, be deferential to each other. But you know,
as I've said it before. We for people that didn't
know each other going into the trial, we got along
incredibly well. And there was a lot of you know,

(54:28):
mutual respect among all team members. And you know, realize
we're all living together in the same hotel with a
conference room that is truly a war room, you know,
with you wouldn't believe the number of binders and you know,
a conference table that's full filled of notes.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
And a lot of big cardboard boxes full of time.

Speaker 15 (54:51):
Yeah, a lot of spirited destruction discussions about strategy.

Speaker 7 (54:54):
You guys have twenty four to seven security at that
point for all of that, all of the documents.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
It's an on for you and for the team.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
So it was under lock and key.

Speaker 15 (55:04):
It was and and and you know, under surveillance by hospitals.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Sometimes I felt it goes in