December 22, 2025 • 57 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now that's Billy Unleasa's top twenty five moments of twenty
twenty five on Kids.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Wait, so, Lisa.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Every morning, pretty much on the show, we deal with topics.
We like to call them discussions or conversations. Sometimes they're weird,
sometimes they're crazy.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
It's topic time.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It's exactly.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
It can go sideways.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And this particular morning we were talking about I don't
know how we landed on this topic, but the biggest
lies you've told as a parent or your parent has
told you.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
There were so many ones. My parents were the biggest liars.
Speaker 6 (00:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I think we've all been Yeah, you come to realize,
Wait a minute, they were lying to me a lot
number eighteen.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Okay, this only has to do with you.
Speaker 7 (00:42):
And you used to come in and say that you
would tell your children when they were at the circus
with you that during intermission that the show was over.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Oh yes, I remember this.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Come on, it's over. Yeah, you have no idea.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I use this everything from Disney on ice to the
rodeo to the circus, any of those events. When intermission
came and the lights went on, I would say, come on,
we gotta go. We get to beat the crowd. And
I said, we can grab a souvenir before they run out,
and on the way out, you know, I'm definitely taking
them in the store, grabbed the souvenir, I said, come on,
(01:18):
we'll never get out of the parking lot. We get
a hurry. They never knew. Yeah, never knew, never knew
that it was only half. There was a second half.
That's a good one.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I think one of the first events that I took
my son to when he was probably two or three,
was I think Disney on Ice. Yeah, and you told
me that before we went. He has a hot tip.
Speaker 8 (01:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, because nothing's going to change in the second half.
It's just more people skating around and animals skating around.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh God, so many lives circus stays the same second half.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
I saw reel over the weekend and it was all
the lies your parents told you, and I checked every
single box. I believed all these were true.
Speaker 9 (01:56):
My parents, when we were young, used to tell us
when they were eating loves that they were.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Eating bugs, so we wouldn't them.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Wow, that's creative.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Well, aren't they kind of like bugs crusta sea?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, No, they're not.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
The bugs of the sea.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But I know what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
No, they used to be a long time ago. They were,
they were, They weren't a delicacy.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
They were given to prison, ye, prison, and then the
galleys rowing the ships, yes, you know, the slaves. For
lack of a better word, they would give them lobster,
and then lobster became.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
They're scavengers basically what it is now.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, they are scavengers. Just keep in mind when you're
having the lobster. Everything they eat is off the is
off the bottom. Yes, their bottom feeder. They are. They
are expense it's odd when you think of it. Expensive body,
Oh my, and they keep getting more and more expensive. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (02:51):
My mom always said that if you had the shower
on while it was thundering and lightning out that you
would get struck by lightning. So I, still, twenty eight
years old, will not take a shower if there's a storm.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Oh my god, my parents to tell me that one.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I never heard that one.
Speaker 8 (03:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
And the pool was a big one, using water right, well, yeah,
wasting the waterway?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
What are you doing in there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
You guys remember that.
Speaker 9 (03:18):
When we were younger, they would say, if you had
a dream and you died in your dream that you
would die in real life.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Oh, I think I remember that, but I think it
was other kids that told me that, not my parents.
That's a little morbid for your parents to tell you,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
But one of them was.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
About coffee, that if you drink coffee as a kid,
it will stunt your growth.
Speaker 10 (03:36):
As a parent, I still use the coffee will stunt
your growth.
Speaker 11 (03:40):
My ddler's always trying to take a sip in my coffee,
and I told him he'd shrink down like ant man
if he takes a sup in my coffee, and he
still believes it.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It's so crazy, like we teach our kids not to lie,
but then we kind of tell them lies.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And there were so many more. I'm racking my brain
that my parents would tell me. A lot of them
related to school or I mean, there are so many.
Speaker 12 (04:03):
So I love dogs, my dad doesn't.
Speaker 13 (04:06):
And a big lie he would tell me when I
was a kid, is dead while I pet a dog.
Speaker 14 (04:11):
If I get the eye booger of a dog and
then rub it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Then rub my eyes, I would see.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Black and white forever, or I would get like blind.
Speaker 12 (04:23):
So that's a big lie.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
See now we're just just completely making stuff up here.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I've never heard anything. I've been resembling that one.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Never heard that. There was one of the lists about
sneezing with your eyes open. I kind of was speculating.
I don't think you can sneeze with your eyes open.
Speaker 12 (04:39):
I actually learned this in the college class ones.
Speaker 11 (04:41):
You physically can't sneeze with your eyes open because it's
a reflex that your eyes automatically close.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (04:47):
I believe that.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
Well.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I always was told that your heart skips a beat
when you sneeze that way, and I have sneezing jags
in the morning, so you know.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
My heart skips a beat just regularly. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
have like an rhythm.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Wasn't there a song my heart skips? There is?
Speaker 5 (05:04):
I think I have the same thing, but there's a
name for it. Really Yeah, because I had an e
KG they thought something was wrong and they said it
was that.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And said it's no big deal, it's not Yeah, it's fine,
what pill?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
No, I'm just wasn't there something about wartz? Yeah? They
came from frogs.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, frogs.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I used to have actually a reoccurring nightmare about swallowing
a watermelon seed and being brushed into the hospital because
my stomach was going to explode from the watermelon grow
in my stomach.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I'm telling you, I was full of fear as a
kid when I heard these things.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
One was swallowing gum, like never swallow gum.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Yeah that it was really bad for you. Just sits
and the more that you you swallowed, the more would
pile up. Yes, and we found proof to the contrary.
Right with the gum swallowing. It's a few days. It's
a few days that sits in your stomach and then
it passes through.
Speaker 8 (05:55):
Good morning crew.
Speaker 11 (05:57):
This is not one that was told to me, but
something that I used to tell my kids. I would
tell them when we were at the beach if they
found a sand dollar and we put it on the
dashboard of the car, it would turned into a real dollar.
Kept them busy forever, and it only cost me a
few bucks. Have a good day.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Oh my god, I love that walking the beach.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Let's go to Selene. I think she's back online.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Hey Selene, Hi, good morning.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Hey we got you. Give us a good one.
Speaker 10 (06:29):
So when I was little, I was told if you
pick your nose and ate year boogers, it would make
worms grow in your helmet.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah I never heard that one, but.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So gross.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Oh really?
Speaker 12 (06:44):
Yeah, what's he doing now?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
He's in the hospital getting a worm removed.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Chrissy's online one and can't and Chrissy, you're on the air.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Go ahead, Chrissy, Chrissy.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
All right, Chrissy is not on the air. Okay, let's
go to Nina in Weymouth. Line three. All right, we'll
try that one, line three.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Nina you there. Okay, we're having trouble.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
With the phones.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, what's the deal with the phones today? That's weird.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, don't do anything because something else might happen.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Okay, we won't.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We won't.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
I remember when we wouldn't finish all the food on
our plate at dinner time.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
Our parents would always say, you have to eat all
of your food.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
There's children starving in Africa, And thinking about it today,
I'm like, well, what was were you supposed to do?
Send them what we didn't finish.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
I still say my parents say, that's that's me my kids.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, well, it's.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
About wasting food, it's having right, that was sort.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Of the moral of but they wanted to guilt you, right,
young children are starving in Africa. Yeah, you got to
eat those carrots. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Meanwhile, you know, unfortunately there's starving kids everywhere.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Really it's about food wasting.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Did anybody hear the one that if you ate food
directly from the can, like canned soup or canned beans,
that you would get lockjaw, you'll be able to.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Open your mouth.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
That's a new one.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, that's a new one on me because most of
what we ate came out of a can. Yeah.
Speaker 12 (08:14):
True, yeah, true, Morning Morning Show.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
I think you're forgetting that.
Speaker 12 (08:18):
A lot of our children are listening.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
To you guys on buses.
Speaker 12 (08:22):
And on car drives to school.
Speaker 9 (08:25):
So thank you for.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Rowing our cover.
Speaker 10 (08:29):
Now that's to Billy and Lisa's top twenty five moments
of twenty twenty five kids.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What do we Okay?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So we do it every year, least we count down
what we thought were the twenty five standout moments of
the Billy and Lisa Morning Show. I love this particular
morning we're going to talk about because John Taffer is
from Bar Rescue and I'm a big fan of the show.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I am too, and I'm a big fan.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Of his exactly, and he came in.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
He's celebrating his new brown butter bourbon, but told some
really funny stories.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Number seventeen.
Speaker 15 (08:58):
What do you come here to do every day?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because this can't be your result, this can't be at
your best. Please tell me, just like you know what
your best.
Speaker 15 (09:10):
John, But this is you at your best. Billy.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I'm doing my best. But man, you are larger than life.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
As they say, Bar Rescue is such such a good show.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
We have another clip for it alson from Attleborough.
Speaker 12 (09:25):
And this isn't a question, but I just want to say.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
That during the pandemic, I would watch hours upon hours
of bar Rescue every single day, and so I just
want to thank.
Speaker 11 (09:35):
John for bringing me a little bit of joy and
those crazy days of isolation.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Gianna, you were watching it with your boyfriend Drake last
night and you said that John, you called the show something.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Our comfort show. His name is Jake by the Life
for show, It's our comfort show.
Speaker 9 (09:50):
He put it on last night without even knowing that
you were coming in this morning.
Speaker 12 (09:54):
Wow, So he was flabbergasted when.
Speaker 15 (09:57):
I told her you you were set up for today.
Speaker 12 (09:59):
I was set up for today.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
John. It's always good to see it. Was it two years.
Speaker 15 (10:02):
Ago already last year, Billy It's been a crazy year
for me, but it's always good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
This is great John. By the way, it's back in Boston.
He's celebrating his new bourbon Brown Butter Bourbon you happen
to bring.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Anyway, we did it. Come on, it's bourbon time on
the Billy. At least the show.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I got to tell you, Watching the show makes me
dizzy because I can't even imagine how much production goes
into bar rescue.
Speaker 15 (10:29):
Yeah, you know, I was. I was mentioning briefly to
you earlier that you know, we traveled the crew of
about fifty seven and so it's five trucks. When we
go to a city. We have to do three bars
in each city to make the economics worth because it's
so expensive to bring everybody in. Once we do that
first night, I show up at about six o'clock at night.
I get it literally about a sixty second briefing. This
(10:50):
is John and George are in debt, this amount, they're
ready to kill each other, blah blah blah, they're losing
such amount of money. I go in and do recon.
I don't know what's going to happen. T I go
in there, billy, I've never met these people. I've never
been in this placement for some of them.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
All.
Speaker 15 (11:02):
Yeah, so it's all real. I'm not ahead of you,
and I think that's why I borrow the rest of your
successful I'm finding it out when you're finding so when
recon ends. What people don't know is I take all
the employees, I put them all in vans in the
parking lot, and I design the bar that night. So
I'm giving the demographic report a competitive report. I look
at my verticals, my horizontals. I don't know how many
(11:23):
sports bars are in the area, how many of this
are in that area, how many of that in the era.
So I come up with the concept that night. The
next morning when we show up, what you see on
television is training and stress test. On day two. What
you don't see is we're approving the barstools, the wallpapers
are putting together.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
To say, you've got to work with interior designers.
Speaker 15 (11:41):
I'm in the middle of everything. Nothing happens that I'm
unaware of.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Do you have your own interior designers in trouble with you?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I do.
Speaker 15 (11:47):
I have a designer we call an art director, and
I have a production team of about twelve just in
the art department for remodel. So then what will happen
is at the end of day too. All the logos
are the sign company, the recipes and the food orders
and the beverage orders, the furniture's ordered. Here's a little secret.
If you look at bar Rescue, the barstools almost never
(12:07):
match because when you need sixty barstools overnight, you can
only get twelve of this, six of these, nine of those,
you can't get sixty at the same game.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
On some inside stuff.
Speaker 15 (12:18):
Now look at the episodes, you'll see I try to
put the yellow ones on one side and the green
on the other, or I mix them up. I try
to make it make sense. But when you're remodeling and
that quickly, you deal with what you get. So at
the end of stress test, everybody goes home, they're not
allowed to come back to the bar and we start construction.
So we build it the night of day two all
day day three. That's why we train off site Billy,
(12:41):
because we're building it on site, So we train them
at another location and then the fourth day, that afternoon
we reveal it to them. So we do build it
in thirty six hours and what you see in bar
rescue is pretty much day one, day two, day three,
day four, as it happens.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
But here's the deal. You also have to play the
part of a family therapist a lot because I've watched
a lot of episodes and it seems like the family
owned restaurants or bars or whatever. It seems like most
of the families have one failed member that's just screwing
up the whole thing, and you've got to sit down
(13:16):
with that person, sit down with the family, make it
all work. And a lot of times you'll give the
failed member more responsibility, yes, but you have to make
sure that everybody's on board with that.
Speaker 15 (13:27):
Well. You know, when somebody isn't caring and not working,
it can be a lot of reasons. And I believe
I need to find the primal reason. What is the
primal instinct that's causing them to shut down. It could
be lack of pride, It could be that somebody is
stifling them, could be they don't have confident. What the
heck is it that's causing them to do that? Yeah,
I got to figure that out, and I got no
(13:47):
time to do it. So that's the trick. Once I
find out what it is that's causing them to do it.
Lack of motivation because he felt unimportant made him feel important.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Have you ever had to fire a family member?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Oh?
Speaker 15 (13:58):
Absolutely? You know what I tell families. You know, in
the business, you're not a family, you're a team. You see,
families protect each other in weakness. And little Johnny's trying
to have little Johnny at break. Little Johnny doesn't feel
good today. Right, that's a family. You protect each other weakness.
That's exactly what you don't want in the business. So
I say, be a family outside inside, be a team.
If you strike out, you get benched, right, Billy, Yeah, sure,
(14:21):
big difference than a family.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
If you were to think of all the places you've
done and revamped and everything in families and bar owners
that you've met and spent time with, is there one
that stands out there whenever you're hanging out with somebody
at a bar having some of your brown butter bourbon,
that you say, you won't believe the worst thing that
ever happened to me, the worst place I had to do.
Is there one?
Speaker 15 (14:43):
Yeah, there's one that always strikes me as the most powerful,
you know, spirits on bourbon is a very successful rescue.
They made millions and millions of dollars. It's a great story,
but it's not a family. It's two partners. There was
a family in South Carolina. They owned a bar called Character.
You might remember this one. And in Characters, they had
their whole staff in like the most ridiculous Halloween style
(15:09):
costumes in the world.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
One of it was.
Speaker 15 (15:11):
Marilyn Monroe and others Burt Reynolds and and it was
just so tacky and awful. And there was a daughter
who cried all day every day because her brother just
beat the hell out of her because she couldn't do
anything right. And the parents were stuck in this awful situation.
That was Charlie, a Helen Guy Andrea Yes, and Alexander
(15:33):
was their last name. And I put in moon Runners,
based it on the original days of Moonshine, and they
would go and they would do it during the darkness
of the moon is when they would bring the moonshine
down the mountain and stuff. We put it together, and
we and we fixed the family along the process, and
the daughter's life dramatically changed. The brother respected the daughter,
(15:54):
the parents were just enthralled by the entire thing. Now
I can tell them. I communicy with them often. They
just opened two new locations at the same time. Good
for them, and they're doing terrific. And when you fix
a family, Billy, it feels so good. I mean the
bricks and mortar building a Baryeah, that's great. But that's
not why I do it. Yeah, you know, I do
it because I want to look in their eyes and
(16:15):
feel like I made a difference to somebody or some family.
And that's really a powerful thing to that.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Well, the minute we said you were going to have
you on, we've been getting talkbacks and we've been getting calls.
People want to talk to John Taffer. We get some
right here.
Speaker 14 (16:28):
Hi, John, big fan of yours. Your show is always
on at my house every Sunday. You're yelling, brings me joy.
I have a question for you. What would you say
the grossest thing you've ever seen an employee do before?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Thanks? Oh, there's a couple.
Speaker 15 (16:44):
I want to be. There's a clean show. But I
found a used piece of sexual apparatus behind the bar once.
That was a shocker. I went in to do recon
in the bar in Austin, Texas called Headhunters and I
did recont with my wife and she was wearing open
toe heels and the cockroaches were walking across feet on her. Yeah,
(17:06):
we had a shut down production. It had a Class
five infestation. We had a shut down production tent. The
building fumigated or you know, fog it out and then
go back in. And it was a Class five infestation.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And now you've got to deal with the town and
with permitting, and you've got to clean it up and
have it reinspected.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Oh my god.
Speaker 15 (17:25):
And we have a production schedule, and now we're behind
in schedule, so the next bar has to push back
two weeks and then But you know, that was a
pretty disgusting one.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
You know what you do? It is another one. We
can't back and have some brown butter bourbon.
Speaker 15 (17:35):
That's what I shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Well, you're not going to drink that, are you. He
opened the bottle Gianna.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
He can't drink down on the air.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
He gets drunk on one step.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Okay, there we go.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh my god, Oh he's doing it.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh we're doomed.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Good stuff delicious right follow.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
It almost made me swear on the air for the
first time.
Speaker 15 (17:59):
Got some color in your face.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Now, now back to Billy.
Speaker 10 (18:04):
And Lisa's top twenty five moments of twenty twenty five kids,
what do.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
We Halloween tradition on the Billy and Lisa Morning Show.
And Halloween comes around, we have a Maureene Hancock him
in the studio right exactly.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
She connects with spirits and people that you want to
reconnect with and you've died.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
So Maureen came in right.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
Before Halloween, and I have to tell you this time
around it was like out of this world.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
How like spot On she was?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You're scary.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
I think I got the most chills of any segment.
And during this one right here, number sixteen, let's go
to Tracy on the phone from Boston. Tracy say hi
to Maureen.
Speaker 12 (18:39):
Hi Tracy, Maureen, Hi, who are you hoping to hear from?
Speaker 9 (18:43):
Oh?
Speaker 13 (18:43):
You have a lot of dead people. It's like the
Verizon commercial.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I have a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I have a lot too.
Speaker 13 (18:50):
So so you said your cousin Shirley.
Speaker 12 (18:53):
I can't hear you that, Okay.
Speaker 13 (18:55):
So you know you say Shirley, But all of these
other people are coming through and maybe an aunt that passed,
and then was anybody like a big bowler like candlepins
for cash.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Oh boy, yeah, my.
Speaker 13 (19:10):
My my grandfather Charlie, Wow, like big time on the
leagues and all this, and because I definitely yeah, he
was like a champion.
Speaker 12 (19:21):
He had like trophies, right, yes he did, yes.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
He did.
Speaker 12 (19:27):
Yeah, he just bowling trophies, right, don't laugh. But he came.
Speaker 13 (19:31):
In just because you know, it's been a very long
time obviously. And then where does the breast cancer or
female cancer connection come in.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
My cousin Shirley I just mentioned, passed away from breast
cancer and our grandmother, my grandmother also had breast cancer, but.
Speaker 13 (19:49):
She survived, so surely I was begging her, like in
my head, I was like, surely, come on, come up,
step up.
Speaker 12 (19:55):
To the plate. And then I heard bring up breast cancer.
Speaker 13 (19:58):
So she's trying to let you know absolutely she's here.
You've definitely had visits from her, and lots of like
pennies and dimes too. They drop look at the dates too,
because they often mean something. But she just wants to
make sure that everyone knows she's like, I'm fine, and
she never complained and she didn't tell people.
Speaker 11 (20:18):
How bad it was, right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 13 (20:22):
Yep, Oh my gosh, She's like, I'm fine, never mind
about me, I'm fine. So lots of love from the
heavens above.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Thank you, so you're saying, Maureen, when the spirits visit,
they drop coins.
Speaker 12 (20:34):
Sometimes they do.
Speaker 13 (20:35):
Now, my nephew, who passed tragically at nineteen, started leaving
nineteen eighty four pennies and dimes, and that's the year
of his birth. So I work with cancer children, and
when i'd be going into children's hospital, they'd be if
there was a child getting ready to go to heaven,
there'd be a dime on my seat and I'd be like,
no way, is this nineteen eighty four? Flip it over
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a nineteen eighty four Like so, I'm just as surprised
as you are.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, okay, let's go to Kim. She's in Tarnt and
Kim say good morning to Maureene and God.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Good morning Maureen.
Speaker 12 (21:09):
Hi Kim. Who are you hoping to hear from?
Speaker 10 (21:12):
I was hoping to hear from my mom.
Speaker 13 (21:14):
Okay, oh, you have a good gang in the heavens above.
Two because everyone came in and her mother is past. Yes, yeah,
it's probably a given, but she couldn't believe she saw
her mom and her did her dad go before her mom.
Yeah many years right, not.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
No, I think within like a year.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Oh jeez.
Speaker 13 (21:38):
Okay, So she's just shown me the lineup of who
was there first and then her mother, and then she
saw her and just yes and no she had illness. Yes, yeah,
your mom, just because she's saying, stop picturing me sick.
I don't want you to picture me sick. And then
do you have two kids?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I have three, but I do biological to what adopted.
Speaker 13 (22:02):
So she and she watches over all these kids, and
someone is Chris or cook cook cut.
Speaker 12 (22:07):
I keep getting that Sierra canne go.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Ahead, the Christian. You know that's my oldest son.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yep.
Speaker 13 (22:13):
So she's gonna she's talking about your kids, and she's
pointing him out because she's trying really trying to like
help him. She just said he's smarter than they the
teachers give him credit for smarter than they know.
Speaker 12 (22:24):
So he's an old soul you know that, right?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Oh yeah, yes too, yep.
Speaker 12 (22:31):
So your mom she's very factual, like I'm here.
Speaker 13 (22:34):
You don't need a medium, save your money.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So listen.
Speaker 12 (22:40):
Lots of love from the heavens above.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Thank you, thank you, take care. Let's go to Christian
now in Derry, New Hampshire. Christian say hi to Maureen, Hi, Maureene, Hi.
Speaker 12 (22:51):
Kristin, who are you hoping to hear from.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
My mom?
Speaker 12 (22:55):
Oh? So is your mom kind of private?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (23:00):
So she's very strong. But she literally said, really, Kristen
on the radio, I can't. She just can't.
Speaker 13 (23:08):
So but I love that she's kind of a wise
guy gal as well. And then I heard don't picture
me sick? And also, what's the Florida connection or down south?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
She always wanted to move down south? Oh wow?
Speaker 13 (23:28):
But I feel like too, like someone's going to ask
you to go because Florida is coming up big time
and you know, possibly February and March. Oh she's saying
you need to bring Mariene Hancock with you. Right, I'm
just kidding. But see she doesn't. She's literally like, I'm here,
you need to trust it. I do feel like she
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had illness. Did she have trouble like breathing, coughing?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I'm not really sure she passed suddenly from a drug overdose.
Speaker 12 (23:58):
Oh okay, so possibly I.
Speaker 13 (24:01):
Just kept getting like like I couldn't breathe and that
kind of thing. But you know what, I have to
go to your grandmother as well.
Speaker 12 (24:09):
And someone's like Mary Margaret. I know, what's a common name,
but I keep him in the m Do you know.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
My mom's name is Margaret?
Speaker 12 (24:18):
Your mom is Margaret.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Wow.
Speaker 13 (24:20):
So she's trying to make things up to you. So
please know that, like she you signed up for a
heavy life contract. You know that, and you are a
survivor and she is so proud of you. So take
that right into your heart and lots of love from
the heavens above.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Okay, let's take another call. You want to do a
couple of talk back shows, just they've got so many.
Let's do one more call? All right, Alice, final call,
say hello to Marien.
Speaker 12 (24:50):
Hileas one eight hundred collect call from heaven. Who are
you hoping to hear?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
From?
Speaker 15 (24:57):
My dad?
Speaker 12 (24:58):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (24:59):
So?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Wow?
Speaker 12 (25:01):
So who had?
Speaker 6 (25:02):
So?
Speaker 13 (25:02):
I just saw an antique car or he pulled up
in one and did anyone have like a Corvette?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
My dad says he was like a teenager.
Speaker 13 (25:15):
Well, you know, sometimes they'll come through young like look
at me, look at me.
Speaker 12 (25:19):
You know, I'm young again.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And he got the Corvette.
Speaker 12 (25:21):
And he got the Corvette, so it's an upgrade.
Speaker 13 (25:24):
But wow, and so he's he's definitely strong. He just
said he went downhill very quickly. Do you understand that? Yeah,
he just said, I can't believe this happened. Like he's
just all about family and new kids, and where does
the five come in?
Speaker 16 (25:42):
Like?
Speaker 12 (25:42):
Is he one? And five? Is the five kids?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
He is five?
Speaker 13 (25:46):
So there's a wire here in the studio and it
has a big five on it and he kept pointing
to it and talking about his family.
Speaker 12 (25:54):
So has it not been that long for him? Like
three years?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
He passed into Oh.
Speaker 12 (26:00):
Just in July? Okay, because literally I got chills.
Speaker 13 (26:03):
And when you get the chills everybody, that's called the quickening,
and that's the spirit body. But it also tells me
like this hasn't been long. But he goes like this,
I'm fine. Do you want some lottery numbers?
Speaker 12 (26:14):
What are you looking for? Is he funny? Like dry?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (26:19):
Yeah, and Daddy's little girl. That's what he said about you.
Speaker 13 (26:22):
And Hey, was it you who put the hand through
glass when you were young?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I actually think it was me.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
I was really really young.
Speaker 15 (26:31):
I was crawling on a picture for him.
Speaker 13 (26:33):
Yeah, he just keeps going back to younger years. You
see that, because he's doing his life review now. But
please know he absolutely hears you. You're gonna have the dream.
You're just trying too hard. Lots of love from the
heavens above.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Start laughing with Billy Elita before you get in your car.
Clay Kiss one o eight on the new I Heard
radio app on your phone.
Speaker 17 (26:55):
Nucking room, Christmas Street at Christmas fun harm.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Little go wrong way.
Speaker 16 (27:03):
You can't see every chips to stop.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Rocket around Christmas tree.
Speaker 17 (27:11):
Let the Christmas be hear it. Bring later We'll have
some fucking fire and.
Speaker 12 (27:18):
Will do some caroling.
Speaker 17 (27:22):
You will get us said or me old feeling when
you hear they sing and let me jolly.
Speaker 12 (27:32):
Does with but also pop honey.
Speaker 17 (27:35):
He rocket around the Christmas tree.
Speaker 12 (27:38):
Have a happy a hology. Everyone dances veryly.
Speaker 17 (27:45):
In the new old passioned way. You will get sat
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little feeling when you hate.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Busying.
Speaker 17 (28:24):
Let's be Johnnys with bottles of hot honey, he talking
or rutten Christmas tree.
Speaker 12 (28:32):
Have a happy husding everyone. That's it very in the news.
Speaker 13 (28:40):
Fo fat shine.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Now Ma'sidilly Unleasa's Top twenty five moments of twenty twenty
five and Kids.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
One Weight All Right Top Moments of twenty twenty five
include author Jump Out the Deck. So he wrote The Dynasty,
that book which they turned into the Apple TV ten
part series that we all watched about the Patriots and
the Crafts and Brady and Belichick.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
It was huge.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
So he did My book club and he had such
insight about how he.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Was embedded with the Patriots for like two years.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
He had unlimited access to conversations and to discussions in time.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
He really did. And this is an amazing interview number fifteen.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So, Jeff, I got to make a point here if
you don't mind, Okay, I know New York Times Bestseller,
Emmy Award winner, right, I'm not mistaken, right, keep going
hundreds of stories and essays. And you did Lebron James,
you did Tiger Woods, obviously The Dynasty. But you know what, Jeff,
(29:49):
you haven't done Lisa Dunovan's book Club yet.
Speaker 18 (29:53):
Welcome to the Octagonakay, the mother of all book club.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
I was waiting for the punchline. Now you got it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, Well, thank you so much, Jeff for doing this.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Lisa's doing a fabulous shop with the book club, and
I think you're really really going to enjoy the experience.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
I can't wait, really looking forward to it. I think
it's tremendous and it's also great just because it's right
in the heart of Boston. So as a new Englander,
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
The link is up, registrations are rolling in, I'm told,
so we're going to fill this thing up in the
next hour or two. It will be sold out. But
I mean, Jeff, we as a group here, we would
come in and watch the docuseries The Dynasty on Apple TV,
and then we would come in and just talk about it, right.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, because there were so many parts that just gave
us so many questions and I got a lot of
chills during the docu series justin you want to play
a clip from the Brady Revenge Tour.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
That season, It was like a song from Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
He was like, look what you made me do?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
It was an fa year.
Speaker 18 (31:06):
Tamal Baby said that for a long time, not pooling
for us anyway, pretty bro.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Fresh beginning touchdown.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
This dude is on another level.
Speaker 15 (31:21):
To begin with. I'm scared as hell of Brady right now.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You can tell he was angry, baby, and we're like,
the king is back here he goes. Watch him get
pissed off and go, Jeff, do you still get the
chills when you watch or hear some of this?
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Yeah? Actually I do. I mean one of the things
that for me at least, that was really satisfying and
fun about making the documentary that was different than the
book is that we got to use music like we
use Taylor Swift, The Rolling Stones, David Bowie, Freddie Mercury
as a way to really bring emotion and power to
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some of the scenes in the film. That it's obviously
a very different medium than the book. The book will
always be probably the thing I love the most because
I spent a few years with the Patriots team writing
that book while Tom was in his final two seasons
in New England. By the time we made the documentary,
Tom was gone and things were different. But it was
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just an opportunity to do something on television that you
can't do on the page.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
One of the things that we talked about a lot
when we were watching it was that it seemed like
it was a little harsh on Belichick.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Not really, I mean, I think I actually thought we
were pretty soft on Bill. I think what's jarring for
people though, and the reason I understand why some people
think that, and that's a feeling that's actually pretty limited
to New England and particularly like hardcore Pats fans, but
(33:01):
is that you're seeing Bill on television in an environment
that you never see him in before. Bill doesn't really
do interviews. He does press conferences and he kind of
has a stick that he does in a press conference.
In this situation, he was in a very foreign environment.
He's sitting in an interview chair being asked questions that
he's really never had to deal with before, and so
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he looks very stiff, he looks uncomfortable, and the fact
is he was stiff and uncomfortable in that environment. But
I think if you look at the series in its totality,
what you do see is you see who Bill is.
He was a very tough, taciturned successful football coach who
had a huge part in why the Patriots were so
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dominant for twenty years. And then you contrast that with Tom,
who's kind of the other half of that equation, and
their personalities are very different, but the way they came together,
it's pretty remarkable what they achieved. But I mean, look,
you're seeing Bill as Bill in the series.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
So did you get calls or email or text from
Bill or from Robert or from Tom the first time
they saw the docuseries.
Speaker 8 (34:13):
No, no, no, I mean I would never. I mean
I definitely heard a lot. Well, you know, look, you
get to know people as I was in this thing
for five or six years, right, I mean, I worked
on these two things back to back. I went from
the book to the series, So like five or six
years of my life was invested in telling the Dynasty
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story in two different mediums. And you get to know
people pretty well and the organization well. And I feel
like I know that organization really well and the people
who are in it and have a tremendous amount of
respect for everything that was done there, starting with the
crafts and how they built it and sustained it over
that twenty years. It's a remarkable run. By the way,
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no team is going to catch them. Yefs, in my opinion,
at least, had very little chance of ever replicating what
the Patriots did.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Now, the Aaron Hernandez chapter must have been a difficult
for you to navigate.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
I mean, as a storyteller, it really wasn't that hard. Look,
a ton has been written and said about that case.
And the nice thing is I wasn't writing a book
about Aaron Hernandez, nor would I want to. It's a
pretty depressing subject. However, if you're going to write a
definitive history of the Patriots dynasty over a twenty year period,
you can't just kind of skip over that like it
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didn't happen. It's a part of the dynasty that actually
happens right in the middle of the two Super Bowl runs,
the first run in the early two thousands and then
the back end run in the late twenty teens. Hernande
sits right in the middle of that, and that's kind
of a little bit of a dark spot. And so,
I mean, I covered it in the book over like
(35:57):
a couple of chapters. In the series, we dealt with
that whole thing within one episode.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I can't even imagine the relationship between you and the
videographers and the editors taking your story, putting it to film,
putting it to pictures. It just seems like such a
complicated process.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It is.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
That's why it took over five years.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Now mat to billion.
Speaker 10 (36:24):
Lisa's Top twenty five moments of twenty twenty five on
Kiss one Oe.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
So Lisa Michelle and I my wife and I have
had two trips to Africa in the last year, and
when I went the second time I was I think
it was this past October. We had an experience that
was absolutely life changing, mind blowing. It turns out elephants
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one of a very few species that actually have ceremonies
funeral services for somebody from their heard that may have
been you know, poached or injured or even killed.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
And the two of you actually got to experience this ceremony.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
We watched it develop and we watched it happen. I'm
getting chills again just thinking about it. But it was
an amazing moment for us in the bush in Africa
number fourteen. I've saved one story because I thought this
was the most outstanding story and experience of the whole trick.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Is it going to be as dirty as the lion
story from earlier?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
No, I did that one earlier. Yes, lions got it
out of the way. Yeah, thanks Billy for that.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Just trying to enjoy my night, enjoy my dinner.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
And what do I see when I open up Instagram?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Just two lions going at it.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
So thanks night, ruined meal ruined, Thanks Billy.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
He said it to everybody in his contact list, right least.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, oh, I thought you posted that to everybody he did.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Oh, okay, all right, he opened his Instagram he follows Billy.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Okay, So I have to say when I saw it,
I looked at it and I was like, are you
really posting this? Is this really happening?
Speaker 5 (38:03):
So people that don't know, if you go to Billy's Instagram,
he posted a video of two lions.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
You know, fornicating doing it. Feline fornication.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, that's the term we've come up for.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yes, thanks to Chris from WBZ TV this morning.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Now you have to understand we didn't go looking for it.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I mean we were out there in the wild and
you pull up to certain areas because you got word
there might be some lions, or you follow the tracks,
and these guides that take you around every single day.
They know track from track, They know if it's a hyena,
they know if it's a leopard, a cheetah, an elephant,
you know, bushbuck, whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
So we pulled up to this area.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Where there were, in fact, a pride of lions, and
closer we got very close to these two because it
was the first time we had ever seen a lion
and a lioness together, and apparently they travel once they
hook up, they travel and very quickly. I'll just tell
you we learned while watching them have sex that they
have sex every fifteen minutes for two full day.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah, make sure it sticks like it just makes sure.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I don't know, and I really didn't want to ask
for any more information on it.
Speaker 7 (39:08):
But they're doing a job, right, it's it's it's to
make sure that the species continues to move ahead, right,
So that's why they do it over and over exactly.
Speaker 11 (39:17):
Justin, when you said he had marital problems and billy Is,
you know, was affecting it, I thought you were going
to talk about the two second mountings.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
No, no, no, that's a separate issue.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
You know what's funny, lice. When I saw the lions,
the lion and the lion ass, you know, having show time, Yeah,
I thought of Justin really yeah, And I even texted him.
I said, I don't know why, Justin, but the first
thing I thought of was you, because he was so
jacked up with testosterone.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Okay, he thinks you have like just like quickie stuff.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
He's obsessed with sex. Okay, that's not can you not?
Can you get to the elephant story you're spending tooth? Okay,
I'm already in the doghouse because of the camper. Okay,
so all right, listen to this sore. When you're on safari,
you leave early morning.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Every morning, they wake you up at four point thirty
with coffee, with a little knock on the door, and
they're armed because it's still dark out. And you go
on a morning safari and then you come back for
a couple of hours, you chill, you have lunch, and
then you go on an afternoon safari. So and what
happens is your cruise around the bush, you know you're
going into and out to and they have these watering
holes scattered everywhere. And I should mention the conservation people
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this is very cool. They actually have pumps that pump
water constantly into these watering holes because the animals really
depend on it and their families and their box. So anyway,
we pulled up to one of the watering holes that
we went to quite frequently, and it was way out.
It was like two hours out into the bush, and
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we suddenly realized and the one thing I told the
gods even my first trip to Africa. I said, one
thing I never want to see is a kill. I
never want want to see an animal being attacked by
another animal. I would never recover from that. So by
accident we pulled up by the watering hole and we
saw that a baby elephant had been killed by a lion,
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and two or three lions were still lying nearby the caucass.
And so then what happens is animals gradually start coming
to the watering hole, and you can see them from
far away, like herds of elephants approaching with their babies
and everything else. And then giraffes will come in and
they need to get a drink of water too, and
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this goes on all day. Zebra and wilderbysts, they all
come in for their drinks and they seem to get
along everybody. And the hippos are in the middle of
the watering hole. So anyway, we see the carcass, and
this was the most emotional moment of the entire trip.
One of the herds of elephants came in and they
kept getting closer and closer to the carcass. They actually
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chased the lions away, which isn't an easy thing to do.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
They don't give up their meat.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
So they came up this one herd of elephants, and
after a couple of minutes, you started getting a sense.
And none of us spoke, because you have to be quiet.
None of us smoke in the jeep, but we all
got a sense at the same time that this must
be I'm getting chills, this must be the baby elephant's mother.
And sure enough, the guy said, yeah, here's what's happening here.
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Because the group of elephants young and old, gathered around
the carcass and the mother elephant would appeared to be
the mother. You could feel the sadness and we all
looked at each other and we whispered, oh my god,
this is a memorial service. Yeah, Like it was like
(42:44):
a church service. And it was very organized where they
put all the baby elephants in the middle. They are
very protective of the babies. The elephants in the middle
so that the lions couldn't get to the babies, and
the mother was leaning over the carcass, and they do
everything with their bunks. The trunks are extremely sensitive, and
you can tell that the mother elephant was basically blessing
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the child with the trunk.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, and would sniff it and then curl it.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Up into a knot, almost like so she could keep
the scent of her child as a memory. I'm telling you,
you didn't need anyone to narrate. You didn't need anyone
to tell you. After a couple of minutes, you knew
exactly what was going on, and the lions were smart
enough to stay away because the mother elephant also chased
the lions away from the car because as if to say,
(43:34):
leave her alone or leave the baby alone, and lions
it's the only thing they fear in the wild or
the elephants. Yeah you said that the German, but they're
afraid of the elephants. Yeah, lions owned the night, as
they say. But anyway, we sat quietly and watched, and
I'm telling you justin we were as close as Elisa
and I and Riley are to you right now watching
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this go down.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
How long did it last?
Speaker 8 (43:57):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Half hour? It just went on and you can just
hear silent.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Clicks of the camera slowly walk away like yes it yeah, Because.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
There was one point where one of the lions tried
to get back to and the mother again chased it away.
It's like a funeral yes, it was a funeral. By
the way, you can go to my Instagram and you
can see this video. You can see everything we posted,
I mean videos of all different types of animals doing
different things, different experiences. It's a magical place what we witnessed, basically,
and this hit me when I was flying home the
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circle of life.
Speaker 10 (44:31):
Now back to Billy and Lisa's top twenty five moments
of twenty five kids.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
So, let's face it, the Karen Reid trial dominated the
news and people's conversations for almost a year or even longer, right,
l Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Because we went through two trials.
Speaker 7 (44:47):
So we had the opportunity, through my son Max and
his best friend Asa, to connect with one of the
attorneys for Karen read David Yanetti.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
So it's weird that that's how we got David was
through my son Max.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
And he came into the studios. He did number thirteen.
Dave Ianettie, Welcome, Consolor, Thank you so much for having me.
Is here. Cavien Reid, one of Karen Reid's lawyers. And
you know, there are some interviews that we just get
so excited about, so like for the last ten minutes,
you know, we're all coming in and out of the studio,
we're asking you questions, we're having conversations and anyway, we're
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thrilled that you were able to come in on the
show this morning. But the way you got here is
a little unusual, and I think we touched upon it
outside the studio. Lisa Dunovan son Max A Max, how
you do it? His buddy asa funny kid, turns out
is related to you in some way.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Yeah, so he's.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
It's my wife's family.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
So you know his mom, whom Emily Franklin.
Speaker 18 (45:48):
I've known her for you know, twenty thirty years. You know,
the family's very close. She's the one who, you know,
asked if I would come on. I can't say no
to Emily.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
You would have said to us.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
For a year.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Okay, So I don't even know where to start. So
off the air outside the studio, Lisa brought up an
important point, and that is when the verdict came down,
you cried, Yeah, you were well up. And my question
for you, counselor, is were you crying happy tears for
(46:30):
the verdict or were you crying happy tears that it
was over a.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Little of both.
Speaker 18 (46:37):
I was very relieved that it was not another hung jury.
Speaker 8 (46:41):
Uh.
Speaker 18 (46:42):
You know, given the way the evidence came in, I
was not concerned really about a conviction on one of
the homicide charges. I didn't think they had it. I
had confidence the jury would agree with us, but I
was concerned that maybe there was a holdout or two,
you know, because we had just been through a hung jury,
(47:03):
and so part of it is, you know, I'm thinking,
I can't do this again trial three. I mean, you
know I would have, but boy, that would have been
a daunting prospect. But you know, the other aspect of
it is, you know, you put three and a half
years of your life into something. You know, you develop
relationships with you know, your client and your co counsul,
(47:25):
and you're all going to war together. And then you know,
when when it's finally over and you know, we got
the verdict that we had been working toward and hoping
for for so long. Yeah, you know, I just I
wasn't prepared for the emotions that I had. You know,
I go back and watch the clip and it's like
(47:46):
I start to smile and then it just kind of
comes over me and I couldn't help but tear up.
You know, I've said I'm you know, I'm a little
embarrassed that that's the first time that a client has
had to comfort me.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
And then it was off to Barcelona. Right, We're a
talkbacker that said that you have a justin because I
don't think he had a chance to hear it, but
I said, really, it's like.
Speaker 16 (48:13):
To hear Davey Nettie on the show this morning last
month when we were in Barcelona, we turned around and
he was at the dinner table immediately behind us. He
took a few minutes to say, hello, what a nice man,
and what a well deserved vacation he and his wife
are having.
Speaker 18 (48:31):
They were the sweetest people. Yeah, I mean, you know,
I have this. It's like, you know, fifteen minutes of fame.
You know, it's very temporary, but because of the exposure
the case has. You know, when I go out in public,
I'm off and recognized and I love it. You know,
I know this is going to dissipate, so but I'm
(48:52):
enjoying it while it's going on. But I didn't expect
in Barcelona and there was you know, a table full
of you know, a family, and I thought they were
looking at me. Funny.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I was like, this is not a chance they know
who I am.
Speaker 18 (49:05):
But turns out they were from the Boston area and
there's very very, very sweet people.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Well I'm guessing that verdict it's pretty good for business, David.
I don't talk about my other clients.
Speaker 7 (49:26):
Can we go back to the very beginning and when
you got that phone call from Karen Reid? What was
it about the story that made you want to take
the case?
Speaker 18 (49:36):
Well, I mean, you know what I do is people
people are in trouble and they call me, and it's
rare that I would refuse to take a case. So,
you know what, what what struck me was I had
a different impression of Karen than you know who. She
actually turned out to be a very sweet voice on
(49:58):
the phone. She sounded confused, she sounded scared. You know,
this is not anything she ever had been through in
her life, and I think her head was spending. But
she sounded really young to me. So you know, my
first thought is this is, you know, maybe a woman
who's like in her late teens or early twenties. And
(50:20):
you know, boy, she turned out to be, you know,
quite different. And this was this phone call was in
the middle of the night, pretty much right, Well, it
was on a weekend, so it was on the Sunday
of like the biggest blizzard weekend. We had hand right,
and so you know this, I'm walking around my you know,
(50:41):
living room with a cup of coffee and nobody's outside,
nobody's doing anything, and yeah, and I get this call
and I happen to pick it up. And that that
doesn't often happen. I mean on the weekends we have
an answering service. Yeah, you know, but but I had
the calls forwarded to my cell phone, and you know,
I got her.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
As it happens, the blizzard became a big part of
the story, correct at the trials, I mean, you know
that night and everything. So you say she sounded young.
Did you get a sense of how immediate her.
Speaker 18 (51:13):
Danger was, like the situation she was in, Well, sure,
I mean, you know, she suspected what she might be
accused of in light of the contact that she had
had with the police. So you know, I did expect
and you know, prepared for the fact that charges would
(51:33):
be taken out.
Speaker 6 (51:34):
I was just.
Speaker 18 (51:36):
Surprised at the charges that they chose to take out.
My feeling from the beginning was even if they thought
that there was a collision between her car and John O'Keeffe,
which I think we showed a trial there wasn't. But
even if they thought that, my read on the cases,
at most, this was a motor vehicle homicide. And you know,
(51:58):
they went right after a from mayy one with manslaughter
charges and then and she was the.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Only one they suspected that she was the only suspect.
Speaker 18 (52:06):
Well, I mean, you know, obviously it came out in time.
I didn't know that at the time, but it came
out in time that you know, they just focused on
her in my view, and you know that was certainly
part of our defense.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
We're talking with the Davinetti, one of Karen Reid's lawyers.
I've got so many questions, Lisa, You've got a ton
of questions. Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (52:26):
We were talking about the difference between the first trial
and the second trial, and when you found out that
Brennan would be a part of the second trial.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
What you know, what were what were you guys talking
about when that came out? So are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (52:41):
You know, I had two parallel thoughts.
Speaker 18 (52:44):
One was I was surprised, excuse me, that the district
attorney hired somebody from outside their.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Office to prosecute the case.
Speaker 18 (52:55):
I mean, that's an office with dozens of lawyers, and
my thought is my first thought was they don't have
anybody there that they trust to handle the case. So
it was surprising to me. The second thought was that,
you know, we had a big fight on our hands
for trial too. You know, I didn't know Hank Brennan personally,
(53:18):
but we have a lot of mutual colleagues and acquaintances,
and he has an excellent representation as an reputation I
should say, as an excellent trial lawyer. So you know,
we we were ready for a big fight.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Going back to that original phone call, you couldn't have
imagined in a million years what that case was going
to turn into a fascination people had with these trials.
Speaker 5 (53:46):
No way to predict that, you know.
Speaker 18 (53:48):
I mean, anytime there's an alleged homicide of a police officer,
it's a big news case. So you're ready for that,
but you're not ready or anticipating, I should say, what
this case ultimately became.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
What was it like walking into the courtroom every day.
I mean it was a very crazy scene' it's it's surreal.
Speaker 18 (54:12):
I mean, as a criminal defense attorney, you know, you'd
sooner be vilified than cheered, right, We're not used to that.
But in this case, the public was overwhelmingly on our side.
You know, to be walking into court with people, you know,
cheering your name and uh, you know, asking you to
(54:34):
stop and pose for selfies and autographs, it's it's surreal.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
But I have to imagine that had to be tough
on the other side. I would imagine that it was,
you know, because there is a victim there. There's only
one dead person, of.
Speaker 18 (54:50):
Course, and it and it is a tragedy, I mean,
you know, but by I don't, I didn't know John O'Keeffe,
but I've yet to meet somebody who says anything bad
about him.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (55:04):
Yeah, his story is incredible and you know, taking on
his niece and his nephew, a selfless person, and it's
a tragedy that he's gone.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
During the interviews, I think in one of the docu
series or something talked about I forget what you called it,
but like the working space where you folks would get
together and you spend so much time together banging heads
and comparing notes and everything else. In fact, during the
trial and watching the docu series, I was kind of
imagining it like scenes from that movie A Few Good
(55:35):
Men with Jack Nicholson and they're yelling and screaming in
the apartment and everything about what to say, what to
do with the trial? What was that like?
Speaker 2 (55:42):
The whole working space so to say, I.
Speaker 18 (55:44):
Mean, you know, it's very intense. You know, you don't
often have a trial that lasts for two or three
months where you are, you know, working with colleagues with
whom you don't have a prior relationship really, and you know,
everybody is you know, the alpha dog. Everybody is used
(56:05):
to being in charge and now you have to share,
you know, decision making and you know, be deferential to
each other. But you know, as I've said it before,
we for people that didn't know each other going into
the the trial, we got along incredibly well. And there
(56:28):
was a lot of you know, mutual respect among all
team members. And you know, realize we're all living together
in the same hotel with a conference room that is
truly a war room, you know, with you wouldn't believe
the number of binders and you know, a conference table
that's full filled of notes and.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
A lot of big cardboard boxes full of time.
Speaker 18 (56:52):
Yeah, a lot of spirited destruction, discussions about strategy.
Speaker 7 (56:57):
You guys have twenty four to seven security at that
point for all of that, all of the documents, and
and for you and for the team.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
So it was under lock and key.
Speaker 18 (57:07):
It was and and and you know, under surveillance by hospitals.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
Sometimes I follow goes in hospital
Now that's Billy Unleasa's top twenty five moments of twenty
twenty five on Kids.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Wait, so, Lisa.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Every morning, pretty much on the show, we deal with topics.
We like to call them discussions or conversations. Sometimes they're weird,
sometimes they're crazy.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
It's topic time.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It's exactly.
Speaker 4 (00:18):
It can go sideways.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
And this particular morning we were talking about I don't
know how we landed on this topic, but the biggest
lies you've told as a parent or your parent has
told you.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
There were so many ones. My parents were the biggest liars.
Speaker 6 (00:33):
You know.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
I think we've all been Yeah, you come to realize,
Wait a minute, they were lying to me a lot
number eighteen.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Okay, this only has to do with you.
Speaker 7 (00:42):
And you used to come in and say that you
would tell your children when they were at the circus
with you that during intermission that the show was over.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Oh yes, I remember this.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Come on, it's over. Yeah, you have no idea.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I use this everything from Disney on ice to the
rodeo to the circus, any of those events. When intermission
came and the lights went on, I would say, come on,
we gotta go. We get to beat the crowd. And
I said, we can grab a souvenir before they run out,
and on the way out, you know, I'm definitely taking
them in the store, grabbed the souvenir, I said, come on,
(01:18):
we'll never get out of the parking lot. We get
a hurry. They never knew. Yeah, never knew, never knew
that it was only half. There was a second half.
That's a good one.
Speaker 5 (01:26):
I think one of the first events that I took
my son to when he was probably two or three,
was I think Disney on Ice. Yeah, and you told
me that before we went. He has a hot tip.
Speaker 8 (01:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Yeah, because nothing's going to change in the second half.
It's just more people skating around and animals skating around.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Oh God, so many lives circus stays the same second half.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
I saw reel over the weekend and it was all
the lies your parents told you, and I checked every
single box. I believed all these were true.
Speaker 9 (01:56):
My parents, when we were young, used to tell us
when they were eating loves that they were.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Eating bugs, so we wouldn't them.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Wow, that's creative.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Well, aren't they kind of like bugs crusta sea?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Yeah, No, they're not.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
The bugs of the sea.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
But I know what you're saying.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
No, they used to be a long time ago. They were,
they were, They weren't a delicacy.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
They were given to prison, ye, prison, and then the
galleys rowing the ships, yes, you know, the slaves. For
lack of a better word, they would give them lobster,
and then lobster became.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
They're scavengers basically what it is now.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, they are scavengers. Just keep in mind when you're
having the lobster. Everything they eat is off the is
off the bottom. Yes, their bottom feeder. They are. They
are expense it's odd when you think of it. Expensive body,
Oh my, and they keep getting more and more expensive. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (02:51):
My mom always said that if you had the shower
on while it was thundering and lightning out that you
would get struck by lightning. So I, still, twenty eight
years old, will not take a shower if there's a storm.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Oh my god, my parents to tell me that one.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I never heard that one.
Speaker 8 (03:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:08):
And the pool was a big one, using water right, well, yeah,
wasting the waterway?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
What are you doing in there? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
You guys remember that.
Speaker 9 (03:18):
When we were younger, they would say, if you had
a dream and you died in your dream that you
would die in real life.
Speaker 5 (03:25):
Oh, I think I remember that, but I think it
was other kids that told me that, not my parents.
That's a little morbid for your parents to tell you,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
But one of them was.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
About coffee, that if you drink coffee as a kid,
it will stunt your growth.
Speaker 10 (03:36):
As a parent, I still use the coffee will stunt
your growth.
Speaker 11 (03:40):
My ddler's always trying to take a sip in my coffee,
and I told him he'd shrink down like ant man
if he takes a sup in my coffee, and he
still believes it.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It's so crazy, like we teach our kids not to lie,
but then we kind of tell them lies.
Speaker 3 (03:55):
And there were so many more. I'm racking my brain
that my parents would tell me. A lot of them
related to school or I mean, there are so many.
Speaker 12 (04:03):
So I love dogs, my dad doesn't.
Speaker 13 (04:06):
And a big lie he would tell me when I
was a kid, is dead while I pet a dog.
Speaker 14 (04:11):
If I get the eye booger of a dog and
then rub it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Then rub my eyes, I would see.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Black and white forever, or I would get like blind.
Speaker 12 (04:23):
So that's a big lie.
Speaker 5 (04:25):
See now we're just just completely making stuff up here.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I've never heard anything. I've been resembling that one.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
Never heard that. There was one of the lists about
sneezing with your eyes open. I kind of was speculating.
I don't think you can sneeze with your eyes open.
Speaker 12 (04:39):
I actually learned this in the college class ones.
Speaker 11 (04:41):
You physically can't sneeze with your eyes open because it's
a reflex that your eyes automatically close.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 12 (04:47):
I believe that.
Speaker 8 (04:48):
Well.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I always was told that your heart skips a beat
when you sneeze that way, and I have sneezing jags
in the morning, so you know.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
My heart skips a beat just regularly. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
have like an rhythm.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
Wasn't there a song my heart skips? There is?
Speaker 5 (05:04):
I think I have the same thing, but there's a
name for it. Really Yeah, because I had an e
KG they thought something was wrong and they said it
was that.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
And said it's no big deal, it's not Yeah, it's fine,
what pill?
Speaker 3 (05:16):
No, I'm just wasn't there something about wartz? Yeah? They
came from frogs.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, frogs.
Speaker 6 (05:22):
I used to have actually a reoccurring nightmare about swallowing
a watermelon seed and being brushed into the hospital because
my stomach was going to explode from the watermelon grow
in my stomach.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
I'm telling you, I was full of fear as a
kid when I heard these things.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
One was swallowing gum, like never swallow gum.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Yeah that it was really bad for you. Just sits
and the more that you you swallowed, the more would
pile up. Yes, and we found proof to the contrary.
Right with the gum swallowing. It's a few days. It's
a few days that sits in your stomach and then
it passes through.
Speaker 8 (05:55):
Good morning crew.
Speaker 11 (05:57):
This is not one that was told to me, but
something that I used to tell my kids. I would
tell them when we were at the beach if they
found a sand dollar and we put it on the
dashboard of the car, it would turned into a real dollar.
Kept them busy forever, and it only cost me a
few bucks. Have a good day.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Oh my god, I love that walking the beach.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Let's go to Selene. I think she's back online.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Hey Selene, Hi, good morning.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Hey we got you. Give us a good one.
Speaker 10 (06:29):
So when I was little, I was told if you
pick your nose and ate year boogers, it would make
worms grow in your helmet.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Yeah I never heard that one, but.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
So gross.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
Oh really?
Speaker 12 (06:44):
Yeah, what's he doing now?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
He's in the hospital getting a worm removed.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Chrissy's online one and can't and Chrissy, you're on the air.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
Go ahead, Chrissy, Chrissy.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
All right, Chrissy is not on the air. Okay, let's
go to Nina in Weymouth. Line three. All right, we'll
try that one, line three.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Nina you there. Okay, we're having trouble.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
With the phones.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Yeah, what's the deal with the phones today? That's weird.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Yeah, don't do anything because something else might happen.
Speaker 5 (07:17):
Okay, we won't.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
We won't.
Speaker 7 (07:19):
I remember when we wouldn't finish all the food on
our plate at dinner time.
Speaker 8 (07:23):
Our parents would always say, you have to eat all
of your food.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
There's children starving in Africa, And thinking about it today,
I'm like, well, what was were you supposed to do?
Send them what we didn't finish.
Speaker 7 (07:35):
I still say my parents say, that's that's me my kids.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Yeah, well, it's.
Speaker 7 (07:41):
About wasting food, it's having right, that was sort.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Of the moral of but they wanted to guilt you, right,
young children are starving in Africa. Yeah, you got to
eat those carrots. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Meanwhile, you know, unfortunately there's starving kids everywhere.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
Really it's about food wasting.
Speaker 8 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
Did anybody hear the one that if you ate food
directly from the can, like canned soup or canned beans,
that you would get lockjaw, you'll be able to.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Open your mouth.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
That's a new one.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Yeah, that's a new one on me because most of
what we ate came out of a can. Yeah.
Speaker 12 (08:14):
True, yeah, true, Morning Morning Show.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
I think you're forgetting that.
Speaker 12 (08:18):
A lot of our children are listening.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
To you guys on buses.
Speaker 12 (08:22):
And on car drives to school.
Speaker 9 (08:25):
So thank you for.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
Rowing our cover.
Speaker 10 (08:29):
Now that's to Billy and Lisa's top twenty five moments
of twenty twenty five kids.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
What do we Okay?
Speaker 3 (08:35):
So we do it every year, least we count down
what we thought were the twenty five standout moments of
the Billy and Lisa Morning Show. I love this particular
morning we're going to talk about because John Taffer is
from Bar Rescue and I'm a big fan of the show.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I am too, and I'm a big fan.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Of his exactly, and he came in.
Speaker 7 (08:53):
He's celebrating his new brown butter bourbon, but told some
really funny stories.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
Number seventeen.
Speaker 15 (08:58):
What do you come here to do every day?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Because this can't be your result, this can't be at
your best. Please tell me, just like you know what
your best.
Speaker 15 (09:10):
John, But this is you at your best. Billy.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
I'm doing my best. But man, you are larger than life.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
As they say, Bar Rescue is such such a good show.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
We have another clip for it alson from Attleborough.
Speaker 12 (09:25):
And this isn't a question, but I just want to say.
Speaker 6 (09:27):
That during the pandemic, I would watch hours upon hours
of bar Rescue every single day, and so I just
want to thank.
Speaker 11 (09:35):
John for bringing me a little bit of joy and
those crazy days of isolation.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Gianna, you were watching it with your boyfriend Drake last
night and you said that John, you called the show something.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Our comfort show. His name is Jake by the Life
for show, It's our comfort show.
Speaker 9 (09:50):
He put it on last night without even knowing that
you were coming in this morning.
Speaker 12 (09:54):
Wow, So he was flabbergasted when.
Speaker 15 (09:57):
I told her you you were set up for today.
Speaker 12 (09:59):
I was set up for today.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
John. It's always good to see it. Was it two years.
Speaker 15 (10:02):
Ago already last year, Billy It's been a crazy year
for me, but it's always good to see you, my friend.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
This is great John. By the way, it's back in Boston.
He's celebrating his new bourbon Brown Butter Bourbon you happen
to bring.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Anyway, we did it. Come on, it's bourbon time on
the Billy. At least the show.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
I got to tell you, Watching the show makes me
dizzy because I can't even imagine how much production goes
into bar rescue.
Speaker 15 (10:29):
Yeah, you know, I was. I was mentioning briefly to
you earlier that you know, we traveled the crew of
about fifty seven and so it's five trucks. When we
go to a city. We have to do three bars
in each city to make the economics worth because it's
so expensive to bring everybody in. Once we do that
first night, I show up at about six o'clock at night.
I get it literally about a sixty second briefing. This
(10:50):
is John and George are in debt, this amount, they're
ready to kill each other, blah blah blah, they're losing
such amount of money. I go in and do recon.
I don't know what's going to happen. T I go
in there, billy, I've never met these people. I've never
been in this placement for some of them.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
All.
Speaker 15 (11:02):
Yeah, so it's all real. I'm not ahead of you,
and I think that's why I borrow the rest of your
successful I'm finding it out when you're finding so when
recon ends. What people don't know is I take all
the employees, I put them all in vans in the
parking lot, and I design the bar that night. So
I'm giving the demographic report a competitive report. I look
at my verticals, my horizontals. I don't know how many
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sports bars are in the area, how many of this
are in that area, how many of that in the era.
So I come up with the concept that night. The
next morning when we show up, what you see on
television is training and stress test. On day two. What
you don't see is we're approving the barstools, the wallpapers
are putting together.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
To say, you've got to work with interior designers.
Speaker 15 (11:41):
I'm in the middle of everything. Nothing happens that I'm
unaware of.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Do you have your own interior designers in trouble with you?
Speaker 3 (11:47):
I do.
Speaker 15 (11:47):
I have a designer we call an art director, and
I have a production team of about twelve just in
the art department for remodel. So then what will happen
is at the end of day too. All the logos
are the sign company, the recipes and the food orders
and the beverage orders, the furniture's ordered. Here's a little secret.
If you look at bar Rescue, the barstools almost never
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match because when you need sixty barstools overnight, you can
only get twelve of this, six of these, nine of those,
you can't get sixty at the same game.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
On some inside stuff.
Speaker 15 (12:18):
Now look at the episodes, you'll see I try to
put the yellow ones on one side and the green
on the other, or I mix them up. I try
to make it make sense. But when you're remodeling and
that quickly, you deal with what you get. So at
the end of stress test, everybody goes home, they're not
allowed to come back to the bar and we start construction.
So we build it the night of day two all
day day three. That's why we train off site Billy,
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because we're building it on site, So we train them
at another location and then the fourth day, that afternoon
we reveal it to them. So we do build it
in thirty six hours and what you see in bar
rescue is pretty much day one, day two, day three,
day four, as it happens.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
But here's the deal. You also have to play the
part of a family therapist a lot because I've watched
a lot of episodes and it seems like the family
owned restaurants or bars or whatever. It seems like most
of the families have one failed member that's just screwing
up the whole thing, and you've got to sit down
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with that person, sit down with the family, make it
all work. And a lot of times you'll give the
failed member more responsibility, yes, but you have to make
sure that everybody's on board with that.
Speaker 15 (13:27):
Well. You know, when somebody isn't caring and not working,
it can be a lot of reasons. And I believe
I need to find the primal reason. What is the
primal instinct that's causing them to shut down. It could
be lack of pride, It could be that somebody is
stifling them, could be they don't have confident. What the
heck is it that's causing them to do that? Yeah,
I got to figure that out, and I got no
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time to do it. So that's the trick. Once I
find out what it is that's causing them to do it.
Lack of motivation because he felt unimportant made him feel important.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Have you ever had to fire a family member?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Oh?
Speaker 15 (13:58):
Absolutely? You know what I tell families. You know, in
the business, you're not a family, you're a team. You see,
families protect each other in weakness. And little Johnny's trying
to have little Johnny at break. Little Johnny doesn't feel
good today. Right, that's a family. You protect each other weakness.
That's exactly what you don't want in the business. So
I say, be a family outside inside, be a team.
If you strike out, you get benched, right, Billy, Yeah, sure,
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big difference than a family.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
If you were to think of all the places you've
done and revamped and everything in families and bar owners
that you've met and spent time with, is there one
that stands out there whenever you're hanging out with somebody
at a bar having some of your brown butter bourbon,
that you say, you won't believe the worst thing that
ever happened to me, the worst place I had to do.
Is there one?
Speaker 15 (14:43):
Yeah, there's one that always strikes me as the most powerful,
you know, spirits on bourbon is a very successful rescue.
They made millions and millions of dollars. It's a great story,
but it's not a family. It's two partners. There was
a family in South Carolina. They owned a bar called Character.
You might remember this one. And in Characters, they had
their whole staff in like the most ridiculous Halloween style
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costumes in the world.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
One of it was.
Speaker 15 (15:11):
Marilyn Monroe and others Burt Reynolds and and it was
just so tacky and awful. And there was a daughter
who cried all day every day because her brother just
beat the hell out of her because she couldn't do
anything right. And the parents were stuck in this awful situation.
That was Charlie, a Helen Guy Andrea Yes, and Alexander
(15:33):
was their last name. And I put in moon Runners,
based it on the original days of Moonshine, and they
would go and they would do it during the darkness
of the moon is when they would bring the moonshine
down the mountain and stuff. We put it together, and
we and we fixed the family along the process, and
the daughter's life dramatically changed. The brother respected the daughter,
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the parents were just enthralled by the entire thing. Now
I can tell them. I communicy with them often. They
just opened two new locations at the same time. Good
for them, and they're doing terrific. And when you fix
a family, Billy, it feels so good. I mean the
bricks and mortar building a Baryeah, that's great. But that's
not why I do it. Yeah, you know, I do
it because I want to look in their eyes and
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feel like I made a difference to somebody or some family.
And that's really a powerful thing to that.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Well, the minute we said you were going to have
you on, we've been getting talkbacks and we've been getting calls.
People want to talk to John Taffer. We get some
right here.
Speaker 14 (16:28):
Hi, John, big fan of yours. Your show is always
on at my house every Sunday. You're yelling, brings me joy.
I have a question for you. What would you say
the grossest thing you've ever seen an employee do before?
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Thanks? Oh, there's a couple.
Speaker 15 (16:44):
I want to be. There's a clean show. But I
found a used piece of sexual apparatus behind the bar once.
That was a shocker. I went in to do recon
in the bar in Austin, Texas called Headhunters and I
did recont with my wife and she was wearing open
toe heels and the cockroaches were walking across feet on her. Yeah,
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we had a shut down production. It had a Class
five infestation. We had a shut down production tent. The
building fumigated or you know, fog it out and then
go back in. And it was a Class five infestation.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
It was unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
And now you've got to deal with the town and
with permitting, and you've got to clean it up and
have it reinspected.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Oh my god.
Speaker 15 (17:25):
And we have a production schedule, and now we're behind
in schedule, so the next bar has to push back
two weeks and then But you know, that was a
pretty disgusting one.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
You know what you do? It is another one. We
can't back and have some brown butter bourbon.
Speaker 15 (17:35):
That's what I shouldn't.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Well, you're not going to drink that, are you. He
opened the bottle Gianna.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
He can't drink down on the air.
Speaker 5 (17:42):
He gets drunk on one step.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
Okay, there we go.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Oh my god, Oh he's doing it.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
Oh we're doomed.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Good stuff delicious right follow.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
It almost made me swear on the air for the
first time.
Speaker 15 (17:59):
Got some color in your face.
Speaker 4 (18:00):
Now, now back to Billy.
Speaker 10 (18:04):
And Lisa's top twenty five moments of twenty twenty five kids,
what do.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
We Halloween tradition on the Billy and Lisa Morning Show.
And Halloween comes around, we have a Maureene Hancock him
in the studio right exactly.
Speaker 7 (18:17):
She connects with spirits and people that you want to
reconnect with and you've died.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
So Maureen came in right.
Speaker 7 (18:23):
Before Halloween, and I have to tell you this time
around it was like out of this world.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
How like spot On she was?
Speaker 3 (18:30):
You're scary.
Speaker 5 (18:31):
I think I got the most chills of any segment.
And during this one right here, number sixteen, let's go
to Tracy on the phone from Boston. Tracy say hi
to Maureen.
Speaker 12 (18:39):
Hi Tracy, Maureen, Hi, who are you hoping to hear from?
Speaker 9 (18:43):
Oh?
Speaker 13 (18:43):
You have a lot of dead people. It's like the
Verizon commercial.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
I have a lot.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I have a lot too.
Speaker 13 (18:50):
So so you said your cousin Shirley.
Speaker 12 (18:53):
I can't hear you that, Okay.
Speaker 13 (18:55):
So you know you say Shirley, But all of these
other people are coming through and maybe an aunt that passed,
and then was anybody like a big bowler like candlepins
for cash.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Oh boy, yeah, my.
Speaker 13 (19:10):
My my grandfather Charlie, Wow, like big time on the
leagues and all this, and because I definitely yeah, he
was like a champion.
Speaker 12 (19:21):
He had like trophies, right, yes he did, yes.
Speaker 2 (19:26):
He did.
Speaker 12 (19:27):
Yeah, he just bowling trophies, right, don't laugh. But he came.
Speaker 13 (19:31):
In just because you know, it's been a very long
time obviously. And then where does the breast cancer or
female cancer connection come in.
Speaker 9 (19:42):
My cousin Shirley I just mentioned, passed away from breast
cancer and our grandmother, my grandmother also had breast cancer, but.
Speaker 13 (19:49):
She survived, so surely I was begging her, like in
my head, I was like, surely, come on, come up,
step up.
Speaker 12 (19:55):
To the plate. And then I heard bring up breast cancer.
Speaker 13 (19:58):
So she's trying to let you know absolutely she's here.
You've definitely had visits from her, and lots of like
pennies and dimes too. They drop look at the dates too,
because they often mean something. But she just wants to
make sure that everyone knows she's like, I'm fine, and
she never complained and she didn't tell people.
Speaker 11 (20:18):
How bad it was, right, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 13 (20:22):
Yep, Oh my gosh, She's like, I'm fine, never mind
about me, I'm fine. So lots of love from the
heavens above.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Thank you, so you're saying, Maureen, when the spirits visit,
they drop coins.
Speaker 12 (20:34):
Sometimes they do.
Speaker 13 (20:35):
Now, my nephew, who passed tragically at nineteen, started leaving
nineteen eighty four pennies and dimes, and that's the year
of his birth. So I work with cancer children, and
when i'd be going into children's hospital, they'd be if
there was a child getting ready to go to heaven,
there'd be a dime on my seat and I'd be like,
no way, is this nineteen eighty four? Flip it over
(20:57):
a nineteen eighty four Like so, I'm just as surprised
as you are.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Yeah, okay, let's go to Kim. She's in Tarnt and
Kim say good morning to Maureene and God.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Good morning Maureen.
Speaker 12 (21:09):
Hi Kim. Who are you hoping to hear from?
Speaker 10 (21:12):
I was hoping to hear from my mom.
Speaker 13 (21:14):
Okay, oh, you have a good gang in the heavens above.
Two because everyone came in and her mother is past. Yes, yeah,
it's probably a given, but she couldn't believe she saw
her mom and her did her dad go before her mom.
Yeah many years right, not.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
No, I think within like a year.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Oh jeez.
Speaker 13 (21:38):
Okay, So she's just shown me the lineup of who
was there first and then her mother, and then she
saw her and just yes and no she had illness. Yes, yeah,
your mom, just because she's saying, stop picturing me sick.
I don't want you to picture me sick. And then
do you have two kids?
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I have three, but I do biological to what adopted.
Speaker 13 (22:02):
So she and she watches over all these kids, and
someone is Chris or cook cook cut.
Speaker 12 (22:07):
I keep getting that Sierra canne go.
Speaker 8 (22:10):
Ahead, the Christian. You know that's my oldest son.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
Yep.
Speaker 13 (22:13):
So she's gonna she's talking about your kids, and she's
pointing him out because she's trying really trying to like
help him. She just said he's smarter than they the
teachers give him credit for smarter than they know.
Speaker 12 (22:24):
So he's an old soul you know that, right?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Oh yeah, yes too, yep.
Speaker 12 (22:31):
So your mom she's very factual, like I'm here.
Speaker 13 (22:34):
You don't need a medium, save your money.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
So listen.
Speaker 12 (22:40):
Lots of love from the heavens above.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Thank you, thank you, take care. Let's go to Christian
now in Derry, New Hampshire. Christian say hi to Maureen, Hi, Maureene, Hi.
Speaker 12 (22:51):
Kristin, who are you hoping to hear from.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
My mom?
Speaker 12 (22:55):
Oh? So is your mom kind of private?
Speaker 6 (23:00):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (23:00):
So she's very strong. But she literally said, really, Kristen
on the radio, I can't. She just can't.
Speaker 13 (23:08):
So but I love that she's kind of a wise
guy gal as well. And then I heard don't picture
me sick? And also, what's the Florida connection or down south?
Speaker 3 (23:25):
She always wanted to move down south? Oh wow?
Speaker 13 (23:28):
But I feel like too, like someone's going to ask
you to go because Florida is coming up big time
and you know, possibly February and March. Oh she's saying
you need to bring Mariene Hancock with you. Right, I'm
just kidding. But see she doesn't. She's literally like, I'm here,
you need to trust it. I do feel like she
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had illness. Did she have trouble like breathing, coughing?
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I'm not really sure she passed suddenly from a drug overdose.
Speaker 12 (23:58):
Oh okay, so possibly I.
Speaker 13 (24:01):
Just kept getting like like I couldn't breathe and that
kind of thing. But you know what, I have to
go to your grandmother as well.
Speaker 12 (24:09):
And someone's like Mary Margaret. I know, what's a common name,
but I keep him in the m Do you know.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
My mom's name is Margaret?
Speaker 12 (24:18):
Your mom is Margaret.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Wow.
Speaker 13 (24:20):
So she's trying to make things up to you. So
please know that, like she you signed up for a
heavy life contract. You know that, and you are a
survivor and she is so proud of you. So take
that right into your heart and lots of love from
the heavens above.
Speaker 8 (24:36):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
Okay, let's take another call. You want to do a
couple of talk back shows, just they've got so many.
Let's do one more call? All right, Alice, final call,
say hello to Marien.
Speaker 12 (24:50):
Hileas one eight hundred collect call from heaven. Who are
you hoping to hear?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
From?
Speaker 15 (24:57):
My dad?
Speaker 12 (24:58):
Okay?
Speaker 8 (24:59):
So?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Wow?
Speaker 12 (25:01):
So who had?
Speaker 6 (25:02):
So?
Speaker 13 (25:02):
I just saw an antique car or he pulled up
in one and did anyone have like a Corvette?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
My dad says he was like a teenager.
Speaker 13 (25:15):
Well, you know, sometimes they'll come through young like look
at me, look at me.
Speaker 12 (25:19):
You know, I'm young again.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
And he got the Corvette.
Speaker 12 (25:21):
And he got the Corvette, so it's an upgrade.
Speaker 13 (25:24):
But wow, and so he's he's definitely strong. He just
said he went downhill very quickly. Do you understand that? Yeah,
he just said, I can't believe this happened. Like he's
just all about family and new kids, and where does
the five come in?
Speaker 16 (25:42):
Like?
Speaker 12 (25:42):
Is he one? And five? Is the five kids?
Speaker 3 (25:44):
He is five?
Speaker 13 (25:46):
So there's a wire here in the studio and it
has a big five on it and he kept pointing
to it and talking about his family.
Speaker 12 (25:54):
So has it not been that long for him? Like
three years?
Speaker 3 (25:59):
He passed into Oh.
Speaker 12 (26:00):
Just in July? Okay, because literally I got chills.
Speaker 13 (26:03):
And when you get the chills everybody, that's called the quickening,
and that's the spirit body. But it also tells me
like this hasn't been long. But he goes like this,
I'm fine. Do you want some lottery numbers?
Speaker 12 (26:14):
What are you looking for? Is he funny? Like dry?
Speaker 2 (26:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 12 (26:19):
Yeah, and Daddy's little girl. That's what he said about you.
Speaker 13 (26:22):
And Hey, was it you who put the hand through
glass when you were young?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
I actually think it was me.
Speaker 10 (26:30):
I was really really young.
Speaker 15 (26:31):
I was crawling on a picture for him.
Speaker 13 (26:33):
Yeah, he just keeps going back to younger years. You
see that, because he's doing his life review now. But
please know he absolutely hears you. You're gonna have the dream.
You're just trying too hard. Lots of love from the
heavens above.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
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Clay Kiss one o eight on the new I Heard
radio app on your phone.
Speaker 17 (26:55):
Nucking room, Christmas Street at Christmas fun harm.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
Little go wrong way.
Speaker 16 (27:03):
You can't see every chips to stop.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Rocket around Christmas tree.
Speaker 17 (27:11):
Let the Christmas be hear it. Bring later We'll have
some fucking fire and.
Speaker 12 (27:18):
Will do some caroling.
Speaker 17 (27:22):
You will get us said or me old feeling when
you hear they sing and let me jolly.
Speaker 12 (27:32):
Does with but also pop honey.
Speaker 17 (27:35):
He rocket around the Christmas tree.
Speaker 12 (27:38):
Have a happy a hology. Everyone dances veryly.
Speaker 17 (27:45):
In the new old passioned way. You will get sat
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little feeling when you hate.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Busying.
Speaker 17 (28:24):
Let's be Johnnys with bottles of hot honey, he talking
or rutten Christmas tree.
Speaker 12 (28:32):
Have a happy husding everyone. That's it very in the news.
Speaker 13 (28:40):
Fo fat shine.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Now Ma'sidilly Unleasa's Top twenty five moments of twenty twenty
five and Kids.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
One Weight All Right Top Moments of twenty twenty five
include author Jump Out the Deck. So he wrote The Dynasty,
that book which they turned into the Apple TV ten
part series that we all watched about the Patriots and
the Crafts and Brady and Belichick.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
It was huge.
Speaker 7 (29:10):
So he did My book club and he had such
insight about how he.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Was embedded with the Patriots for like two years.
Speaker 7 (29:19):
He had unlimited access to conversations and to discussions in time.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
He really did. And this is an amazing interview number fifteen.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
So, Jeff, I got to make a point here if
you don't mind, Okay, I know New York Times Bestseller,
Emmy Award winner, right, I'm not mistaken, right, keep going
hundreds of stories and essays. And you did Lebron James,
you did Tiger Woods, obviously The Dynasty. But you know what, Jeff,
(29:49):
you haven't done Lisa Dunovan's book Club yet.
Speaker 18 (29:53):
Welcome to the Octagonakay, the mother of all book club.
Speaker 8 (30:00):
I was waiting for the punchline. Now you got it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, Well, thank you so much, Jeff for doing this.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Lisa's doing a fabulous shop with the book club, and
I think you're really really going to enjoy the experience.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
I can't wait, really looking forward to it. I think
it's tremendous and it's also great just because it's right
in the heart of Boston. So as a new Englander,
I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 7 (30:22):
The link is up, registrations are rolling in, I'm told,
so we're going to fill this thing up in the
next hour or two. It will be sold out. But
I mean, Jeff, we as a group here, we would
come in and watch the docuseries The Dynasty on Apple TV,
and then we would come in and just talk about it, right.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Yeah, because there were so many parts that just gave
us so many questions and I got a lot of
chills during the docu series justin you want to play
a clip from the Brady Revenge Tour.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
That season, It was like a song from Taylor Swift.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
He was like, look what you made me do?
Speaker 5 (31:01):
It was an fa year.
Speaker 18 (31:06):
Tamal Baby said that for a long time, not pooling
for us anyway, pretty bro.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Fresh beginning touchdown.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
This dude is on another level.
Speaker 15 (31:21):
To begin with. I'm scared as hell of Brady right now.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
You can tell he was angry, baby, and we're like,
the king is back here he goes. Watch him get
pissed off and go, Jeff, do you still get the
chills when you watch or hear some of this?
Speaker 8 (31:44):
Yeah? Actually I do. I mean one of the things
that for me at least, that was really satisfying and
fun about making the documentary that was different than the
book is that we got to use music like we
use Taylor Swift, The Rolling Stones, David Bowie, Freddie Mercury
as a way to really bring emotion and power to
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some of the scenes in the film. That it's obviously
a very different medium than the book. The book will
always be probably the thing I love the most because
I spent a few years with the Patriots team writing
that book while Tom was in his final two seasons
in New England. By the time we made the documentary,
Tom was gone and things were different. But it was
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just an opportunity to do something on television that you
can't do on the page.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
One of the things that we talked about a lot
when we were watching it was that it seemed like
it was a little harsh on Belichick.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
Would you agree with that?
Speaker 8 (32:41):
Not really, I mean, I think I actually thought we
were pretty soft on Bill. I think what's jarring for
people though, and the reason I understand why some people
think that, and that's a feeling that's actually pretty limited
to New England and particularly like hardcore Pats fans, but
(33:01):
is that you're seeing Bill on television in an environment
that you never see him in before. Bill doesn't really
do interviews. He does press conferences and he kind of
has a stick that he does in a press conference.
In this situation, he was in a very foreign environment.
He's sitting in an interview chair being asked questions that
he's really never had to deal with before, and so
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he looks very stiff, he looks uncomfortable, and the fact
is he was stiff and uncomfortable in that environment. But
I think if you look at the series in its totality,
what you do see is you see who Bill is.
He was a very tough, taciturned successful football coach who
had a huge part in why the Patriots were so
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dominant for twenty years. And then you contrast that with Tom,
who's kind of the other half of that equation, and
their personalities are very different, but the way they came together,
it's pretty remarkable what they achieved. But I mean, look,
you're seeing Bill as Bill in the series.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
So did you get calls or email or text from
Bill or from Robert or from Tom the first time
they saw the docuseries.
Speaker 8 (34:13):
No, no, no, I mean I would never. I mean
I definitely heard a lot. Well, you know, look, you
get to know people as I was in this thing
for five or six years, right, I mean, I worked
on these two things back to back. I went from
the book to the series, So like five or six
years of my life was invested in telling the Dynasty
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story in two different mediums. And you get to know
people pretty well and the organization well. And I feel
like I know that organization really well and the people
who are in it and have a tremendous amount of
respect for everything that was done there, starting with the
crafts and how they built it and sustained it over
that twenty years. It's a remarkable run. By the way,
(34:58):
no team is going to catch them. Yefs, in my opinion,
at least, had very little chance of ever replicating what
the Patriots did.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Now, the Aaron Hernandez chapter must have been a difficult
for you to navigate.
Speaker 8 (35:14):
I mean, as a storyteller, it really wasn't that hard. Look,
a ton has been written and said about that case.
And the nice thing is I wasn't writing a book
about Aaron Hernandez, nor would I want to. It's a
pretty depressing subject. However, if you're going to write a
definitive history of the Patriots dynasty over a twenty year period,
you can't just kind of skip over that like it
(35:35):
didn't happen. It's a part of the dynasty that actually
happens right in the middle of the two Super Bowl runs,
the first run in the early two thousands and then
the back end run in the late twenty teens. Hernande
sits right in the middle of that, and that's kind
of a little bit of a dark spot. And so,
I mean, I covered it in the book over like
(35:57):
a couple of chapters. In the series, we dealt with
that whole thing within one episode.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I can't even imagine the relationship between you and the
videographers and the editors taking your story, putting it to film,
putting it to pictures. It just seems like such a
complicated process.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
It is.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
That's why it took over five years.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Now mat to billion.
Speaker 10 (36:24):
Lisa's Top twenty five moments of twenty twenty five on
Kiss one Oe.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
So Lisa Michelle and I my wife and I have
had two trips to Africa in the last year, and
when I went the second time I was I think
it was this past October. We had an experience that
was absolutely life changing, mind blowing. It turns out elephants
(36:50):
one of a very few species that actually have ceremonies
funeral services for somebody from their heard that may have
been you know, poached or injured or even killed.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
And the two of you actually got to experience this ceremony.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
We watched it develop and we watched it happen. I'm
getting chills again just thinking about it. But it was
an amazing moment for us in the bush in Africa
number fourteen. I've saved one story because I thought this
was the most outstanding story and experience of the whole trick.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Is it going to be as dirty as the lion
story from earlier?
Speaker 3 (37:28):
No, I did that one earlier. Yes, lions got it
out of the way. Yeah, thanks Billy for that.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Just trying to enjoy my night, enjoy my dinner.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
And what do I see when I open up Instagram?
Speaker 5 (37:40):
Just two lions going at it.
Speaker 8 (37:41):
So thanks night, ruined meal ruined, Thanks Billy.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
He said it to everybody in his contact list, right least.
Speaker 4 (37:49):
Yeah, oh, I thought you posted that to everybody he did.
Speaker 5 (37:52):
Oh, okay, all right, he opened his Instagram he follows Billy.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Okay, So I have to say when I saw it,
I looked at it and I was like, are you
really posting this? Is this really happening?
Speaker 5 (38:03):
So people that don't know, if you go to Billy's Instagram,
he posted a video of two lions.
Speaker 4 (38:07):
You know, fornicating doing it. Feline fornication.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
Yeah, that's the term we've come up for.
Speaker 4 (38:13):
Yes, thanks to Chris from WBZ TV this morning.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Now you have to understand we didn't go looking for it.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
I mean we were out there in the wild and
you pull up to certain areas because you got word
there might be some lions, or you follow the tracks,
and these guides that take you around every single day.
They know track from track, They know if it's a hyena,
they know if it's a leopard, a cheetah, an elephant,
you know, bushbuck, whatever.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
So we pulled up to this area.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Where there were, in fact, a pride of lions, and
closer we got very close to these two because it
was the first time we had ever seen a lion
and a lioness together, and apparently they travel once they
hook up, they travel and very quickly. I'll just tell
you we learned while watching them have sex that they
have sex every fifteen minutes for two full day.
Speaker 4 (39:00):
Yeah, make sure it sticks like it just makes sure.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
I don't know, and I really didn't want to ask
for any more information on it.
Speaker 7 (39:08):
But they're doing a job, right, it's it's it's to
make sure that the species continues to move ahead, right,
So that's why they do it over and over exactly.
Speaker 11 (39:17):
Justin, when you said he had marital problems and billy Is,
you know, was affecting it, I thought you were going
to talk about the two second mountings.
Speaker 5 (39:28):
No, no, no, that's a separate issue.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
You know what's funny, lice. When I saw the lions,
the lion and the lion ass, you know, having show time, Yeah,
I thought of Justin really yeah, And I even texted him.
I said, I don't know why, Justin, but the first
thing I thought of was you, because he was so
jacked up with testosterone.
Speaker 4 (39:49):
Okay, he thinks you have like just like quickie stuff.
Speaker 5 (39:52):
He's obsessed with sex. Okay, that's not can you not?
Can you get to the elephant story you're spending tooth? Okay,
I'm already in the doghouse because of the camper. Okay,
so all right, listen to this sore. When you're on safari,
you leave early morning.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
Every morning, they wake you up at four point thirty
with coffee, with a little knock on the door, and
they're armed because it's still dark out. And you go
on a morning safari and then you come back for
a couple of hours, you chill, you have lunch, and
then you go on an afternoon safari. So and what
happens is your cruise around the bush, you know you're
going into and out to and they have these watering
holes scattered everywhere. And I should mention the conservation people
(40:30):
this is very cool. They actually have pumps that pump
water constantly into these watering holes because the animals really
depend on it and their families and their box. So anyway,
we pulled up to one of the watering holes that
we went to quite frequently, and it was way out.
It was like two hours out into the bush, and
(40:52):
we suddenly realized and the one thing I told the
gods even my first trip to Africa. I said, one
thing I never want to see is a kill. I
never want want to see an animal being attacked by
another animal. I would never recover from that. So by
accident we pulled up by the watering hole and we
saw that a baby elephant had been killed by a lion,
(41:15):
and two or three lions were still lying nearby the caucass.
And so then what happens is animals gradually start coming
to the watering hole, and you can see them from
far away, like herds of elephants approaching with their babies
and everything else. And then giraffes will come in and
they need to get a drink of water too, and
(41:35):
this goes on all day. Zebra and wilderbysts, they all
come in for their drinks and they seem to get
along everybody. And the hippos are in the middle of
the watering hole. So anyway, we see the carcass, and
this was the most emotional moment of the entire trip.
One of the herds of elephants came in and they
kept getting closer and closer to the carcass. They actually
(41:57):
chased the lions away, which isn't an easy thing to do.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
They don't give up their meat.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
So they came up this one herd of elephants, and
after a couple of minutes, you started getting a sense.
And none of us spoke, because you have to be quiet.
None of us smoke in the jeep, but we all
got a sense at the same time that this must
be I'm getting chills, this must be the baby elephant's mother.
And sure enough, the guy said, yeah, here's what's happening here.
(42:23):
Because the group of elephants young and old, gathered around
the carcass and the mother elephant would appeared to be
the mother. You could feel the sadness and we all
looked at each other and we whispered, oh my god,
this is a memorial service. Yeah, Like it was like
(42:44):
a church service. And it was very organized where they
put all the baby elephants in the middle. They are
very protective of the babies. The elephants in the middle
so that the lions couldn't get to the babies, and
the mother was leaning over the carcass, and they do
everything with their bunks. The trunks are extremely sensitive, and
you can tell that the mother elephant was basically blessing
(43:08):
the child with the trunk.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Yeah, and would sniff it and then curl it.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
Up into a knot, almost like so she could keep
the scent of her child as a memory. I'm telling you,
you didn't need anyone to narrate. You didn't need anyone
to tell you. After a couple of minutes, you knew
exactly what was going on, and the lions were smart
enough to stay away because the mother elephant also chased
the lions away from the car because as if to say,
(43:34):
leave her alone or leave the baby alone, and lions
it's the only thing they fear in the wild or
the elephants. Yeah you said that the German, but they're
afraid of the elephants. Yeah, lions owned the night, as
they say. But anyway, we sat quietly and watched, and
I'm telling you justin we were as close as Elisa
and I and Riley are to you right now watching
(43:55):
this go down.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
How long did it last?
Speaker 8 (43:57):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Half hour? It just went on and you can just
hear silent.
Speaker 4 (44:02):
Clicks of the camera slowly walk away like yes it yeah, Because.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
There was one point where one of the lions tried
to get back to and the mother again chased it away.
It's like a funeral yes, it was a funeral. By
the way, you can go to my Instagram and you
can see this video. You can see everything we posted,
I mean videos of all different types of animals doing
different things, different experiences. It's a magical place what we witnessed, basically,
and this hit me when I was flying home the
(44:29):
circle of life.
Speaker 10 (44:31):
Now back to Billy and Lisa's top twenty five moments
of twenty five kids.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
So, let's face it, the Karen Reid trial dominated the
news and people's conversations for almost a year or even longer, right,
l Yeah.
Speaker 4 (44:45):
Because we went through two trials.
Speaker 7 (44:47):
So we had the opportunity, through my son Max and
his best friend Asa, to connect with one of the
attorneys for Karen read David Yanetti.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
So it's weird that that's how we got David was
through my son Max.
Speaker 3 (45:00):
And he came into the studios. He did number thirteen.
Dave Ianettie, Welcome, Consolor, Thank you so much for having me.
Is here. Cavien Reid, one of Karen Reid's lawyers. And
you know, there are some interviews that we just get
so excited about, so like for the last ten minutes,
you know, we're all coming in and out of the studio,
we're asking you questions, we're having conversations and anyway, we're
(45:21):
thrilled that you were able to come in on the
show this morning. But the way you got here is
a little unusual, and I think we touched upon it
outside the studio. Lisa Dunovan son Max A Max, how
you do it? His buddy asa funny kid, turns out
is related to you in some way.
Speaker 5 (45:41):
Yeah, so he's.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
It's my wife's family.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
So you know his mom, whom Emily Franklin.
Speaker 18 (45:48):
I've known her for you know, twenty thirty years. You know,
the family's very close. She's the one who, you know,
asked if I would come on. I can't say no
to Emily.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
You would have said to us.
Speaker 8 (46:05):
For a year.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Okay, So I don't even know where to start. So
off the air outside the studio, Lisa brought up an
important point, and that is when the verdict came down,
you cried, Yeah, you were well up. And my question
for you, counselor, is were you crying happy tears for
(46:30):
the verdict or were you crying happy tears that it
was over a.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
Little of both.
Speaker 18 (46:37):
I was very relieved that it was not another hung jury.
Speaker 8 (46:41):
Uh.
Speaker 18 (46:42):
You know, given the way the evidence came in, I
was not concerned really about a conviction on one of
the homicide charges. I didn't think they had it. I
had confidence the jury would agree with us, but I
was concerned that maybe there was a holdout or two,
you know, because we had just been through a hung jury,
(47:03):
and so part of it is, you know, I'm thinking,
I can't do this again trial three. I mean, you
know I would have, but boy, that would have been
a daunting prospect. But you know, the other aspect of
it is, you know, you put three and a half
years of your life into something. You know, you develop
relationships with you know, your client and your co counsul,
(47:25):
and you're all going to war together. And then you know,
when when it's finally over and you know, we got
the verdict that we had been working toward and hoping
for for so long. Yeah, you know, I just I
wasn't prepared for the emotions that I had. You know,
I go back and watch the clip and it's like
(47:46):
I start to smile and then it just kind of
comes over me and I couldn't help but tear up.
You know, I've said I'm you know, I'm a little
embarrassed that that's the first time that a client has
had to comfort me.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
And then it was off to Barcelona. Right, We're a
talkbacker that said that you have a justin because I
don't think he had a chance to hear it, but
I said, really, it's like.
Speaker 16 (48:13):
To hear Davey Nettie on the show this morning last
month when we were in Barcelona, we turned around and
he was at the dinner table immediately behind us. He
took a few minutes to say, hello, what a nice man,
and what a well deserved vacation he and his wife
are having.
Speaker 18 (48:31):
They were the sweetest people. Yeah, I mean, you know,
I have this. It's like, you know, fifteen minutes of fame.
You know, it's very temporary, but because of the exposure
the case has. You know, when I go out in public,
I'm off and recognized and I love it. You know,
I know this is going to dissipate, so but I'm
(48:52):
enjoying it while it's going on. But I didn't expect
in Barcelona and there was you know, a table full
of you know, a family, and I thought they were
looking at me. Funny.
Speaker 3 (49:03):
I was like, this is not a chance they know
who I am.
Speaker 18 (49:05):
But turns out they were from the Boston area and
there's very very, very sweet people.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Well I'm guessing that verdict it's pretty good for business, David.
I don't talk about my other clients.
Speaker 7 (49:26):
Can we go back to the very beginning and when
you got that phone call from Karen Reid? What was
it about the story that made you want to take
the case?
Speaker 18 (49:36):
Well, I mean, you know what I do is people
people are in trouble and they call me, and it's
rare that I would refuse to take a case. So,
you know what, what what struck me was I had
a different impression of Karen than you know who. She
actually turned out to be a very sweet voice on
(49:58):
the phone. She sounded confused, she sounded scared. You know,
this is not anything she ever had been through in
her life, and I think her head was spending. But
she sounded really young to me. So you know, my
first thought is this is, you know, maybe a woman
who's like in her late teens or early twenties. And
(50:20):
you know, boy, she turned out to be, you know,
quite different. And this was this phone call was in
the middle of the night, pretty much right, Well, it
was on a weekend, so it was on the Sunday
of like the biggest blizzard weekend. We had hand right,
and so you know this, I'm walking around my you know,
(50:41):
living room with a cup of coffee and nobody's outside,
nobody's doing anything, and yeah, and I get this call
and I happen to pick it up. And that that
doesn't often happen. I mean on the weekends we have
an answering service. Yeah, you know, but but I had
the calls forwarded to my cell phone, and you know,
I got her.
Speaker 3 (51:00):
As it happens, the blizzard became a big part of
the story, correct at the trials, I mean, you know
that night and everything. So you say she sounded young.
Did you get a sense of how immediate her.
Speaker 18 (51:13):
Danger was, like the situation she was in, Well, sure,
I mean, you know, she suspected what she might be
accused of in light of the contact that she had
had with the police. So you know, I did expect
and you know, prepared for the fact that charges would
(51:33):
be taken out.
Speaker 6 (51:34):
I was just.
Speaker 18 (51:36):
Surprised at the charges that they chose to take out.
My feeling from the beginning was even if they thought
that there was a collision between her car and John O'Keeffe,
which I think we showed a trial there wasn't. But
even if they thought that, my read on the cases,
at most, this was a motor vehicle homicide. And you know,
(51:58):
they went right after a from mayy one with manslaughter
charges and then and she was the.
Speaker 3 (52:03):
Only one they suspected that she was the only suspect.
Speaker 18 (52:06):
Well, I mean, you know, obviously it came out in time.
I didn't know that at the time, but it came
out in time that you know, they just focused on
her in my view, and you know that was certainly
part of our defense.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
We're talking with the Davinetti, one of Karen Reid's lawyers.
I've got so many questions, Lisa, You've got a ton
of questions. Go ahead.
Speaker 7 (52:26):
We were talking about the difference between the first trial
and the second trial, and when you found out that
Brennan would be a part of the second trial.
Speaker 4 (52:35):
What you know, what were what were you guys talking
about when that came out? So are you thinking?
Speaker 3 (52:41):
You know, I had two parallel thoughts.
Speaker 18 (52:44):
One was I was surprised, excuse me, that the district
attorney hired somebody from outside their.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
Office to prosecute the case.
Speaker 18 (52:55):
I mean, that's an office with dozens of lawyers, and
my thought is my first thought was they don't have
anybody there that they trust to handle the case. So
it was surprising to me. The second thought was that,
you know, we had a big fight on our hands
for trial too. You know, I didn't know Hank Brennan personally,
(53:18):
but we have a lot of mutual colleagues and acquaintances,
and he has an excellent representation as an reputation I
should say, as an excellent trial lawyer. So you know,
we we were ready for a big fight.
Speaker 3 (53:35):
Going back to that original phone call, you couldn't have
imagined in a million years what that case was going
to turn into a fascination people had with these trials.
Speaker 5 (53:46):
No way to predict that, you know.
Speaker 18 (53:48):
I mean, anytime there's an alleged homicide of a police officer,
it's a big news case. So you're ready for that,
but you're not ready or anticipating, I should say, what
this case ultimately became.
Speaker 3 (54:06):
What was it like walking into the courtroom every day.
I mean it was a very crazy scene' it's it's surreal.
Speaker 18 (54:12):
I mean, as a criminal defense attorney, you know, you'd
sooner be vilified than cheered, right, We're not used to that.
But in this case, the public was overwhelmingly on our side.
You know, to be walking into court with people, you know,
cheering your name and uh, you know, asking you to
(54:34):
stop and pose for selfies and autographs, it's it's surreal.
Speaker 3 (54:38):
But I have to imagine that had to be tough
on the other side. I would imagine that it was,
you know, because there is a victim there. There's only
one dead person, of.
Speaker 18 (54:50):
Course, and it and it is a tragedy, I mean,
you know, but by I don't, I didn't know John O'Keeffe,
but I've yet to meet somebody who says anything bad
about him.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (55:04):
Yeah, his story is incredible and you know, taking on
his niece and his nephew, a selfless person, and it's
a tragedy that he's gone.
Speaker 3 (55:14):
During the interviews, I think in one of the docu
series or something talked about I forget what you called it,
but like the working space where you folks would get
together and you spend so much time together banging heads
and comparing notes and everything else. In fact, during the
trial and watching the docu series, I was kind of
imagining it like scenes from that movie A Few Good
(55:35):
Men with Jack Nicholson and they're yelling and screaming in
the apartment and everything about what to say, what to
do with the trial? What was that like?
Speaker 2 (55:42):
The whole working space so to say, I.
Speaker 18 (55:44):
Mean, you know, it's very intense. You know, you don't
often have a trial that lasts for two or three
months where you are, you know, working with colleagues with
whom you don't have a prior relationship really, and you know,
everybody is you know, the alpha dog. Everybody is used
(56:05):
to being in charge and now you have to share,
you know, decision making and you know, be deferential to
each other. But you know, as I've said it before,
we for people that didn't know each other going into
the the trial, we got along incredibly well. And there
(56:28):
was a lot of you know, mutual respect among all
team members. And you know, realize we're all living together
in the same hotel with a conference room that is
truly a war room, you know, with you wouldn't believe
the number of binders and you know, a conference table
that's full filled of notes and.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
A lot of big cardboard boxes full of time.
Speaker 18 (56:52):
Yeah, a lot of spirited destruction, discussions about strategy.
Speaker 7 (56:57):
You guys have twenty four to seven security at that
point for all of that, all of the documents, and
and for you and for the team.
Speaker 2 (57:05):
So it was under lock and key.
Speaker 18 (57:07):
It was and and and you know, under surveillance by hospitals.
Speaker 2 (57:14):
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