May 15, 2025 • 37 mins
The Billy & Lisa crew cover a whole bunch of topics during today’s show including settling our bet, and Katherine Loftus is back in studio to explain the Karen Read trial! Listen to Billy & Lisa weekdays from 6-10AM on Kiss 108!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now this morning show in Boston, Billy and Lisa in
the Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Just a great start to my day on kids.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Oh good morning, everybody. Was that my girl Lola Young
right there?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
It was it was.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I love her. She's got the strongest English accent I've
ever heard. I can't understand a word she says when
she speaks, but I love her music.
Speaker 5 (00:19):
Yeah, but when she sings you can understand everything.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Isn't that odd?
Speaker 5 (00:23):
It is?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah, I love her. She's very good. Hey, guys, welcome
in Go Celtics. Okay, we knew they were going to
come back.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Right I did. I could feel it.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
To prove a point.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
They grabbed the game last night in really good fashion.
I mean everybody played well. The defense was extraordinary. How
about that guy Luke Cornett.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Huh he came out of nowhere. I know, wo man
right off the bench.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well, he's a big dude, he is, So he showed
up for sure.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
So I'm here at home watching the Celtics game.
Speaker 7 (00:53):
Go sees when the camera pans and who.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Do I seem?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Okay, baby shout.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I legitimately wanted to go back to the office last
night and start the show.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I know Lisa comes in this morning, says I wanted
to go on last night. We needed to pay off
on the bet. So yeah, Lisa and Justin won the
bet on Charalaway, will he or won't he be at
the game in Boston Winnie and I lose. I paid
Justin last night. I paid Lisa the show mon.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
He didn't pay me.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
We only had to pay.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
We were the wait twenty and twenty. No, no, it
was we were.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
It was only ten each, always an issue.
Speaker 8 (01:33):
No, no, because I want I would like to talk back
to uh like talk back in. We said, oh, if
we put ten in, that's forty dollars, like twenty and twenty.
So if you keep your ten that you're going to
put in, you just get ten dollars.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah, I'm just waiting for your venmo, but I'm.
Speaker 8 (01:48):
Only giving ten dollars each. Five are you going to
get I'm not going to be each ten. No, that
was not the bet.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
The bet was, well, hold on, you're saying you're only
giving ten Yes, no, the bets each.
Speaker 8 (02:00):
No, the bet was that we all put ten dollars
in a kiddie and then and then whoever wins takes twenty.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
That was the bet that was explained on air.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Are you really arguing over.
Speaker 8 (02:12):
I'm arguing because I was doing to adjustin and you
inserted yourself, mister mush, and now I owe money I
would have won.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
You are the mush.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
We're still waiting for the money winning.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, I'll get you, yeah, regardless of you know what,
I've already given you twenty and now I'll give Lisa
twenty and that settles everything.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Okay, then I don't have to give anything.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, that's where it's gonna go an.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Amazing Yeah what I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I love all of this.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
I was ready to give my ten dollars.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
No, no, no, no. Did you think for a minute
that Whinnie would shell out money.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
No.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I texted you last night and she said, no, that's
a lie.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
That's why. And you know that I said, I pay
you tomorrow when we get paid. I have no money.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You saw my bank accounts?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, all I know.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Anyway, the bet was that Timothy Shallo May would or
would not be there. Remember from the other day.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
It's just common sense. We hold the team.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Are you sure you want to take this bet?
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Yes, Okay, we're not going to give him away. A
bunch of Nicks.
Speaker 9 (03:11):
We did it.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
We gave it to one Knicks fan.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
We did.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
It's just common sense.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Not so much.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
It was actually common sense for Justin and I.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
It's just common sense.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It made so much sense that he was there. Yes,
all is I can never watch another Timothy Challameay movie.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
And the fact that he posted about it too. Justin
was like next level.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Oh, we were at Billy's event, which is great, amazing.
We would jump the show was going on with Billy
and Mike Rocket and Andy Husbands, Lisa jumping.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Do you realized Charge was there?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
He posted courts out.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Oh god, he had work boots on.
Speaker 10 (03:50):
Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Break out the old Tims.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
But you're right that we were at your event, and
I was literally on my knees, like like literally like Chester,
are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I didn't see all that going on in the back
of the room.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Guys, you were interviewing Mike Rockett.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, thank you to all modern part
of the wayfair empire. I had my first what could
be more meat to eat with Billy events and it
was great. Andy Husbands and the Smoke Shops was there
and he was great. Thank you Andy. He brought some
great brisket, Oh my god, and his corn bread and
(04:31):
Mike Rocket and the team from Salem Maonaforn Hotel had
one of the best Ahi tuna dishes I've ever tried.
And they had lobster roll so it was a lot
of fun. Thank you to everybody who came up.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
And ninety plus sellers.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Oh good wine. Oh, I went right to the wine.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Yep, I had too. I finally had a glass of
wine at an event I never like. I'm always working
very finally had a glass of wine.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I poured myself a glass of wine before the bartender
even got there. They're great, broke into a bottle, So yeah,
thank you for that. Meantime, back to Chala May Randy
who used to work on this show, right, he was
our stunt guy. He started as an intern for us
for me. Actually came to two Olympic Games with me,
(05:15):
Atlanta and Australia.
Speaker 11 (05:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
He now is one of the owners of Big Night
Entertainment and of course card Ball, my son's company, Card
Vault by Tom Brady.
Speaker 9 (05:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He was sitting right behind Chala May last night.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, he's all all over like the New York Post
and all the national you know, outlets.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So I gotta I'm gonna text him this morning, tell
him he's gotta come on the show.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Listeners were sending me videos of Randy right next to him.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Last night's were Okay, here we go. Producer Riley pulled
the bet. Let's see what it was from the other He.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Goes into the pool and the winners each get ten.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Okay, ye.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Get twenty?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Right, he goes in, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Because we'll be back two and two.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Oh y, so we have to give each of you ten?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yes, yes, so ten bucks each?
Speaker 11 (06:01):
No?
Speaker 6 (06:01):
No, did you hear it?
Speaker 8 (06:02):
Forty goes into the pool and the winters each get
twenty because there was four of us.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
You missed that part.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Oh yeah, well I give you if.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
We all put in a pool like ten until you
get your ten back and then you double your money.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
You get it twenty. She's got attend and you get twenty.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
What are you all?
Speaker 8 (06:15):
BILLI and I I owe I owe ten dollars to
the pool. So either five to you and Lisa, or
just a tenant like Billy gave Lisa ten, and I
gave you a ten and year whole.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I've already shelled out forty.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Yeah, so I guess you have aver, you're covered.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Sorry, everything's fair.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Everything's fair. Oh don't worry about me.
Speaker 12 (06:33):
Now.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
You know what I have to say is shut it down.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Shut it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
From the Planet Fitness, Kiss one Away Studios. Well we're
back with the Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Kiss Hey guys, So welcome back and happy Thursday. So
very early this morning, Lisa Dunnoman came in. She says
to me, you know, you know Lisa Dunovan, She's been
all over the world, right.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And she comes in she said, Bill, I got to
tell you something. I was at the best event I've
ever been to in my entire life yesterday.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Well, it was the most beautiful event I've ever seen.
It was the party in the park. It's a benefit
for the Emerald Necklace, which is all of our public
park systems in Boston. It's really important to raise money
to keep them beautiful because that's what we use. Like
we walk in the park. It's gorgeous and makes the
city so much better. I'm telling you, I've never seen
a crowd more beautiful in my entire life. The dresses,
the hats. People had hats made for them in different countries,
(07:25):
and a woman from Columbia was there and she had
a giannet from Columbia. It was like the clost event.
Ever I had a fresh floral almost like a fascinator. Yeah,
that was all fresh flowers. It was really gorgeous. And
shout out to David de Chico who does all the
floral design for this event. I've honestly like I've never
(07:46):
seen anything like it.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We've got one of those fascinators at home. That's something else.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
So but.
Speaker 13 (07:52):
Morning is a shout out to Lisa. I have met
her yesterday at party in the Park. Great organization helping
our park stagery and stay accessible to everyone. She did
a fantastic job and raise a lot of money for
a great cause.
Speaker 9 (08:06):
Have a great day.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Run And what were the men wearing like tails?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Some of them were wearing hats like derby hats, you
know what I mean, or like straw hats. Yeah, they
weren't as like, you know, over the top.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But yeah. And we had a great event last night
in Lynnfield at Market Street in Lynnfield at All Modern,
which by the way is part of the Wayfair Empire.
Just a beautiful set up last night. I want to
thank chef Andy Husbands from Smoke shops and Mike Rocket
from the Salem Waterfront Hotel. I want to thank everybody
for coming out. It was nice. We had a lot
of fun, a couple of glasses of wine.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
And ninety plus sellers yeaheah. They were in full full
form last night.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
It was It was a great night. We had a
great time. And I want to give a shout out
to one of our listeners. Her name is Melanie. Melanie
is five years old. Oh, and she showed up to
the event and she made me this draw this piece
of art that I'm holding. I know you can't see this,
but it's a big piece of construction paper with all
kinds of drawings and stickers.
Speaker 14 (09:02):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
So she made it for me and showed up to
the event to give it to me. So shout out
to her Melanie, and her mom's in the army serving currently.
Speaker 11 (09:10):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Thank you to her mom for her service. Thank you
for listening to us. Sunkiss went await, Melanie, Thank.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You for coming out last night. Melanie a five year old.
That's awesome listening to us.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
You know, it's just common sense.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Now the entertainment update with a Billy God set.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'll be playing that for the next.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Man. The Celtics came up big last night. The defense
came up big last night. Seltz beat the Knicks in
Game five. Derek White team highed thirty four points.
Speaker 11 (09:40):
But I want to go home and so we understand
that it's only goats tougher.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
We haven't done anything yet. Just gotta find a way
to go to New York and win a game. Jalen
Brown twenty six points, eight rebounds, twelve us is.
Speaker 14 (09:53):
I appreciate the fans that showed up tonight. You know,
it was a great atmosphere. It was loud, you know,
and uh, I it's easy to kind of write things off,
but we still got basketball to be played. You know,
I believe in his group, so you know, don't count
us out just yet.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, Coach Missoula, the team stepped up big time.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
We did what was necessary to do what we need
to do to get back to New York.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So I mad made winning plays on both engula floor. Yeah,
gotta imagine Jason Tatum watching the game, right. He actually
posted a picture from his hospital bed yesterday, which was
very cool. And by the way, the surgeon who did
the Achilles surgery, doctor Martin O'Malley, also did Kobe Bryant,
Tiger Woods and Kevin Durant.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Oh wow, he used to go too.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
They got him in there quick.
Speaker 12 (10:37):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah, they did right up.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
They fell right out.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Shout outs to doctor Martin O'Malley. ESPN spoke to Tatum's dad,
who was coaching the team overseas when Tatum got injured.
Speaker 12 (10:50):
Jason ended up giving him a call once he was
able to. They cried on the phone together and Jason
was asking him, why me, Dad, why me? Why does
this have to happen to me? And he said, son,
this is this is God's will. You're young, You're gonna
get through this.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah. Game five in New York tomorrow night and New
York fans, by the way, is a big write up
in the Post this morning calling Boston the worst city
in America. Where's people, worse culture, worst sports team. They
hate us because they ain't us, Okay, just saying meantime.
Celebrities in the building last night, Timothy Challa May and
(11:29):
Dave portnoy I couldn't believe it hosting a live event.
Lisa walks in she and ingested her in the back
of the room last night celebrating jumping up and down
because they saw La May courtside. Do you know what?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Winnie had this in the bag?
Speaker 15 (11:45):
Here, poor Winnie, she had the bet in the bag.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And then the mush shows up and hitches his.
Speaker 9 (11:52):
Wagon to her.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Exactly, wait, what a game though?
Speaker 10 (11:55):
I can't take this anymore.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Oh, that's literally what happened. It was just you know,
when he was just winning an eye.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, what have we learned? The mush still lives?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Business costs the next time I want to make a.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Bet Portnoy Court's side. In a hypothetical Portnoy was asked
what would happen say if he and Taylor Swift were
fighting for the same seat.
Speaker 16 (12:20):
The schedule for the series comes out. I say, hey,
I can get there for game five. Can you reserve
two for me for Game five? Yup date? Now they're
all booked. Taylor Swift calls two hours before the game.
We have no tickets. They're not moving me. They'd be
like they someone else, make it move. But if it
comes down to me and Taylor at that at that spot,
they're not kicking me out.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Do you think that's true, bing Bong, I mean he
believes that to be true.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Imagine if he got the seats over Taylor Swift to
just texture bing bong, bing bong if needed. Of course,
Game seven would be back here in Boston Monday night,
eight o'clock tip off. Rihanna has a new song coming
out tomorrow. It's her first in three years, part of
The New Spurfs Smurf's movie soundtrack called Friend of Mine.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, it's being described as a listening experience. That's how
it was described to me. Wow, I don't know what
that means.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
But her next album is still in the works. Meantime,
The Weekend's new movie, Hurry Up Tomorrow, comes out tomorrow.
The Weekend is in it with Barrick Ye Yogan and
Jenna Ortega and The Weekend Big Jenna Ortega fan.
Speaker 11 (13:30):
Jenna, I've been a fan of We've had some mutual
working friends, Kevin who is a producer on X also
producer on our film. Kevin Terry, who passed away very
close with us. He had showed me her work Yeah
and X Scream. Everything she's done. She's always just been
more than a star, just an emotional performer that I've
always wanted to you know that I saw for Anima.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Justin you anxiously awaiting this movie.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Not so much. Okay, now, after the Idol, I'm not
really a big fan of his acting. Maybe he'll surprise me.
I don't know why he's going back to acting. The
Idol was probably one of the worst shoots shows.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I've ever Got You a bomb? Oh my god, it was
just so awful.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
It was really awkward to watch.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
He's so creepy.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah. Yeah, And by the way, the character that he
played in the Idol has a lot of similarities to Diddy.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Oh right, yes, oh boy. Tate McCrae's new song with
Morgan Walland comes out tomorrow. Reports say it's more anticipated
than any other Morgan Walland song ever. We'll see, we'll
get it tomorrow. How about Tate McCrae in Germany this
week doing a cover of Taylor Swift's The One.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I really like Tate McCray but sometimes I don't know
what the hell she's saying.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I didn't she said to had a word of what
she said.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
There, And I don't know the song.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
Like, when you know the lyrics, you can kind of
like make it out. But I've never heard this song before.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Hey, how about this? Netflix is bringing back star Search.
Remember that Ed McMahon. It was a weekly talent show
that ran from the eighties into the nineties, launched the
arrears of everybody from Dave Chappelle to Beyonce, Justin Timberlake,
even a very young Britney spears.
Speaker 11 (15:14):
She's this little girl that put out a voice of
like an.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Eighteen year old.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
She's doing musicals, remember when she was a little girl
like that.
Speaker 16 (15:26):
I love getting dressed up, I love the candy, and
I love scaring people.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Isn't that ironic though, a little bit?
Speaker 8 (15:34):
When I say that five or whatever? Ten, she sounds
like she's eighteen. Now she's forty. She sounds like she's five.
Speaker 10 (15:38):
Yeah, and then it's coloring right now, I like to
color in her choice.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Well, she didn't have a childhood, yeah, because she was childhood.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
She's regressed considerably.
Speaker 10 (15:49):
Yeah, eighteen the money.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah. Jennifer Lopez injured her face while working and rehearsing
for the American Music Awards coming up later this month.
Big gash on her face. She needed ditches. Uh, and
she's going to be hosting the show and performing.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Did she trip and fall?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
She's not saying. They're not giving any details yet.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Dance or something hit her.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
She would literally have the where you work.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
And TMZ last night aired a special on Justin Bieber
called what Happened to Justin Bieber? Uh, here's TMZ's Harry Levin.
Speaker 17 (16:26):
We have talked to a lot of people in Bieber's camp,
and not just peripheral people, people who know, and we've
talked to people in Scooter Bronze camp. So you know,
it has bled over into finances his marriage. You know,
there are all sorts of allegations about drug use. He's
had drug issues in the past, and we explore.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
All of it.
Speaker 17 (16:48):
But the short answer to your story is he is
struggling some.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
That way on the breakup. By the way, the special
suggests that Bieber owed Scooter Brat on millions, It wasn't
Scooter Braun who owned Justin Bieber Millions. Did I call
Harvey Harry there for a second, did I thought?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
So?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Jay Shetty is in Boston tonight. He's at the Box
Center Wang Theater. We had him on the show recently.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
We did, Yeah, I'm going to the show tonight.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Oh you are going?
Speaker 16 (17:16):
I am.
Speaker 15 (17:19):
No, I know.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
All this stuff just kind of landed in my lap
all at the same time. So, yeah, when's the last
time you went home? I was home last night after.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Your Yeah, and he has a group meditation I think
right before the show.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah, I'm really curious to see what the show's all about.
So that's where I'm going.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
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Speaker 2 (17:55):
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Speaker 3 (18:04):
Hey guys, so welcome back. Happy Thursday. Congratulations to the
Celtics and to Celtics fans. Big win for the Celts
last night in Game five. Game six tomorrow night back
in New York, and then if there's a Game seven,
it'll be right here in Boston Monday night.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yes, did you say if needed?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, I mean, you gotta be honest. You know, I'm
not being a doubter, but I'm just saying, if it's needed,
it's mathematic right.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Billy is the mush.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
He just said, if needed, Game seven will be in Boston, Billy,
Game seven will be in Boston. Not if needed.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
God, she's right. Game seven gonna be back here in Boston.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
There we go, Yeah, there we go, Big Bong.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, we're gonna have the repeat Monday night, the repeat
for your world champion Boston Celtics. Let's go pick it up. Okay, Donovan,
Donovan's always been the doubter. No, I haven't.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I might be the only one who's been like they
can do it.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
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Speaker 9 (19:54):
I was studying abroad in Sweden in college and I
ruptured my achilles ten and playing volleyball and it was
the worst pain that I've ever felt in my life.
And it was a complete tear, and I had two
different casts, and I was in pet forever and in Sweden.
It was pretty interesting. But yeah, wo big recovery time.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, that's often it's among the worst injuries. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
So Kobe Bryant returned in eight months from his achilles
achilles rupture. Kevin Durant eighteen months.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
It just depends, It just depends.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, what's his name, Aaron Rodgers. He was ready to
go in four months. Yeah, well he was high and
different kind he was talking about. He was high.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Didn't he say he literally did like mushrooms?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Oh no, no, no, he just did like he did
like you know, treatments and stuff. He did alternative alternative treatments.
But you know, I mean he takes ay aahuawsca.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Well okay, yeah, but that's not what healed him. That's
more like for the spiritual tream whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Okay, Oh, you're done.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I don't know, are we?
Speaker 7 (21:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I didn't know if you had another talk pack to
throw in.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Oh, I have plenty you want to keep going? Oh yeah, okay,
this is.
Speaker 18 (21:07):
Less checking in last day at Budapest. Beautiful city, beautiful
people and lots of history. If you ever have a
chance to visit here, you should. I've been very relaxed
and catching up on my podcast. Then I will be
able to do that this weekend on our way to Italy.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Oh LEAs, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Last ye?
Speaker 9 (21:29):
Now?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I'm glad we extended the talkback, see because that was
our first talkbacker from Budapest.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
I'm pretty sure Less and his wife live in Italy
or like Pa in Italy own.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, and we don't know Less's story.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
We don't know. But he does travel a lot, he
told us before.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I think it's that his wife works, can work from
home remotely. Maybe he does too. And they live and
I think, like she said, Italy and they travel.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Are you saying there's a chance Less is a plus one?
Speaker 18 (21:58):
Well?
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I think they both do well when they both decided
to just try.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
My grandmother was from Hungry. I didn't know that card Hungarian.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
So you're Polish and Hungarian. Wow, I thought was in India.
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Okay, I don't know if I would.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
We need to give sabbaticals globe.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
It's just common sense.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Kiss.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Okay. Another day in the Karen Reid trial. Yesterday, and
every Thursday morning, we bring in our in house attorney counselor,
Catherine A. Loftis So good morning.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
Catherine, Good morning everyone.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Quick story. I was out the other day with my
uh note, my objection baseball had on, and at least
two or three people said, oh my god, do you
know her? So, yes, she's a friend of ours.
Speaker 10 (22:59):
She I love it, thank you for wearing it.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, you've got some good merch. Quick question on yesterday's proceedings. Okay,
did the judge call reads lawyer in a hole?
Speaker 10 (23:11):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Obviously this has been circulating around. It's really difficult. There's
something that gets caught on audio somewhere.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Who it is, what exactly what it says. I don't
think it's clear.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Justin do you have the clip? I need to be
heard at sidebard. I will hear you.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Someone said it, Yeah, someone said it.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Now I think that was like a two hour sidebar,
like it's out of control.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Well, yeah, what's without a sidebars?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So the problem is the reason why they have to
go to sidebar with everything is Massachusetts, we don't argue
the law in front of the jury. So anytime there's
an objection that needs like a substantive argument, you have
to do it at sidebar. But the problem is everything
is so contentious in this case. So you know, there's
so many times that they have to go to sydebard.
It always seems to happen that it's before a break,
before a launch. So then it just leads into you know,
(24:02):
you often see it, maybe it's ten thirty, ten forty five.
You see them go to sidebar, and then they say
We're just going to take the break now because the
sidebars are so extensive.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
I have a question. Something unique happened this week. Karen
Reid got sick, Yes, she was not in court. How
does that? How is that handled? If someone has a
link the illness or like, do they have to prove
to the court that they're sick?
Speaker 7 (24:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I mean generally, as offices of the court, as attorneys,
if we make a representation to the judge that you know,
our client is sick, can't come in, generally they'll take that,
you know, that information from us as a good faith basis.
You know, there's always times it depends. This is a
murder trial. She's shown up for every single court date,
and sometimes things in life happen. Sometimes people get sick,
(24:44):
Sometimes the lawyer gets sick, or the judge gets sick.
If it's something different, you know, in a different kind
of case where a client doesn't you know, has shown
not shown up multiple times, the judge might say, hey,
we need some proof or we're going to issue a warrant.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
But that's certainly not the case in tust with mister.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Follow, will you allow does the defendant have to be
in the.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Courtroom the defendant has a right to be She has
to be present.
Speaker 10 (25:08):
She can't just you know, not come.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Sometimes what happens is, you know, if there's issue with
the defendant, sometimes they keep them, you know, behind in
the dock or things like that. But generally you have
to be in the coorum. That's usually only if there's
a security issue or something like that.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Can they zoom in to trial?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
No, no, you know, there might be some circumstance where
they allowed it, but as a general rule, no, you
need to be there in person.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I have another cool story in terms of the obsession
people have with the Karen reidtrial. I went for a
haircut yesterday. Laurie, if you're out there, hello, Laurie. And
Laurie and her sister are so obsessed with the Karen reidtrial.
I'm sitting there getting a haircut and she has a
giant laptop on the counter right in front of my chair,
(25:53):
like she does not stop watching the trial for a
single minute. So I'm sitting there. That's when I saw
the judge possibly call the lawyer in a hole, and
then there was a two hour sidebar.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Quite frankly, I don't know how any of us are
get in any real work done, because it seems like
we're all doing the same thing, you know, watching and working,
watching and working.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I read somewhere yesterday that the jury was surprised looking
when Heartnett testified that she never tested the swabs from
the solo cups, like what's going on there?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
She tested one, she said she didn't test them all
because she was told that they came from essentially the
same place. So they don't always test every single sample
that they get. If it comes, you know, from one
specific location, they'll usually test one or two pieces, things
like that. But you know, that's certainly something. The question becomes,
how you know, how relevant is the blood? Obviously this
(26:46):
is going to be at least some of its John O'Keeffe's.
But they get to make the argument, the defense now
that if you didn't test it, couldn't have you know,
gleaned some results that were somebody else. So that's one one.
You know, when we talk about when we talk about
the bricks build a wall of reasonable doubt, these are
the things that they're trying to poke holes in one
at a time.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
But I guess the jury, you know that visibly thought
it was kind of peculiar.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Well, it seems, you know, because if you think about,
what's the point of taking all the samples if you're
not going to test them. So that's you know, again,
that's one of these things that maybe they're not maybe
it's not a purposeful you know act, but does it
open the door to you know, wait, something else might
might have been there that you didn't test.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Well, I think it's without question the investigation was kind
of botched. I mean, this is like small time you know,
gang that couldn't shoot straight kind of a thing.
Speaker 10 (27:37):
Yeah, well, and I think I think, I mean.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Right, I mean with the little red cups and the leaf.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Blower and you find out they didn't test them.
Speaker 17 (27:47):
Hold.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Now it's topic time for the Billy and Lisa in
the morning.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
And we do it every Thursday morning after the Karen
Reid trought. Thursday morning, we have Catherine Loftus are in
house legal expro especially on the read case in with us.
We take your calls. By the way, we have a
couple of open lines six one, seven, nine one one.
Oh wait if you get correct questions for Catherine justin talkbacks.
Speaker 15 (28:11):
When you talk to Catherine Loftus today, could you ask
her about Brian Higgins when he was at the sally
Port around one thirty is or whatever time it was.
They showed in the video his hand looked red and swollen.
I don't know if that's being discussed, if that looks
(28:32):
like a possibility from a fight. I'm curious to know.
So please ask her.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Okay, I ask you, Catherine loftus the swollen hand, what's
up with that?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
That's the first I've actually heard of it. I know
there's obviously been a lot of discussion around the video,
you know, the fact that there was you know, he
was on the phone, he allegedly went there to move
cause did he move? Cause That's the first I've heard,
and so I'll have to go back and take a
look at it. The only way we're really going to
hear more about Brian Higgins as if the defense calls them.
It's pretty it seems pretty certain at this point that
(29:03):
the call Walls is not going to call him as
one of their witnesses. They certainly don't need him to
prove any of the charges that they have against Karen Reid.
So I would say that's a to be determined based
on whether the defense calls him and what they ask him.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Well, maybe it was swollen from lifting the drink up.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
And I think I think he's a key I think
he's a key witness, I just for the trial. Like,
there's a lot of stuff about him that people you know.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
So if he definitely, he's definitely a big part of
the conversation. But if you think about it from the
Calmwalls perpectives, so they're the ones who approve, you know,
it's their job to present their case and present the
witnesses that they think they need to prove the case
in order to prove her responsible of the manslaughter. Because
I really think the second degree is off the table
and it's not worth diving into that deeply. What does
(29:52):
Brian Higgins actually at Does he testify to anything that
you know, meets one of the elements for manslaughter. No,
but he certainly goes go to the defense theory, which
is Hank Burndon is really going this in a very
it's a risky but it's an interesting trial strategy. Basically,
he's saying, Hey, last time we defended ourselves against the
(30:13):
defense theory. This time we're just going to try to
prove our case. If you want to believe Brian Haggins
and Brian Albert. You can call them in your case,
so it'll be interesting.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
What did you make of the niece's testimony yesterday? Was
there any significance to it?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So we didn't actually we did hear. I didn't hear
it myself. We obviously got this second hand because she's
a miner. There's no video or no audio recording. What
she was called to testify to was really relative to
the nature of the conversation, between the nature of the
relationship between John and Karen towards the end, as well
as the interaction with Karen that morning. You know, I
think it's difficult because she obviously does give some insight
(30:48):
into what was happening that morning, you know, the statements
Karen was making. She's really the first person who sees
her after she you know, comes back from thirty four.
Fair of you, but also you know, it's it seems
but based on all reports that it's very clear, you know,
she has real, you know, feelings of anger towards Karen.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
And it's difficult.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I think anytime somebody who is a young person who
has been through this much trauma has to get up
on the stand and testify.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
But you know, very brave of her to do something.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And she was fourteen at the time. Seventeen Now justin talkback.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I just want to say, we have some issues here.
The phone lines are down.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, you know how something is going on.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
I thought it was weird and I was trying to
I was like, that's weird.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
Tut.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
You're down everywhere all the radio stations. So we're working
on that. That means the only way to hit us
up is through the talkbacks. Yeah, not through the phones. Nope,
we can't hit us on the phone. Some of the
talkbacks on the hired Apple right, No.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Never.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I have a question.
Speaker 15 (31:46):
Does Karen ever get her car back once the trial
is over?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So so it stays in evidence until the litigation is done.
Basically theoretically she could if it's not guilty, but probably
some bad energy.
Speaker 10 (32:03):
I don't know what she'd want to do with it.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Well, she could just.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Sell it it. Yeah, they put it up for auction.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
They Probably.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
She needs the money.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Like a fundraising galli Yeah, Bill, yeah, give give me.
I'm available.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Raising good money.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
I never heard Karen Reid say she saw John O'Keefe
go in the house until this week, and that contradicts
what she's saying that I hit him, I hit him,
I hit him. Is anyone questioning that?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yes, And so we haven't seen as much of the
as many of the statements from Karen read just yet
and again the way the COMMA has presented it is
a little bit more strategic this time. So what they've
done is presented all of her statements from these various
media interviews saying, you know, I said yeah, I could
have said I hit him. I thought, you know, he
was in kind of the spot where I left him.
(33:01):
Also the fact that when she was first questioned by
the state police and asked did he go in the house,
she said no. And so what Attorney Brennan is going
to try to do is now likely present the different
pieces of not testimony she calls it her testimony, but
the media interviews in which she says she saw him
go up the driveway. And of note, I think is
(33:25):
in each interview that she gives, which starts with the
dateline interview first and early fall of twenty twenty three,
I think she says, you know, I saw him walk
up the driveway, and then in the next interview, it's
I saw him walk up the driveway and you know,
kind of hand near the door. In the next interview,
it's walk up the driveway headed poke to the head
in the house. And then I think the last one
she says she sees him go all the way in.
(33:46):
So what they're the Komalth is going to try to
point out that this is sort of this conscious effort
to change the narrative about what happened that night.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So, you know what fascinates me the most about this
trial what years in and I get the impression that
nothing's been proven.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Well, you know, the difficult thing with criminal cases, I
think people often feel like there's going to be this
answer that's clear for everybody, and generally that's not the
way it happens. If there's you know, unless something's caught
on video or there is literally an eyewitness, you know,
testimony that says I saw a right that most criminal cases,
there really always is this rum of did they do it?
(34:29):
Do we know for sure? Is there ever really an answer?
And the closest we can get is the criminal justice
system as we have it, which is to prove the
case beyond reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
It's all about doubt or not period. I mean basically,
there's no smoking gun.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
There's no smoking gun. And then most honestly believe, most
of the time in criminal cases, there isn't a smoking gun.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
It's stringing together pieces of evidence that's right to like
paint a picture that's right.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
So it's little pieces, you know, It's there isn't ever
generally one big piece of evidence that you go aha
towards the komwall thought towards the defense. It's you taking
all these pieces of information. What the jury's job is
to do is to look at them as a whole,
not say one equals you know, A equals B. It's okay,
we have all of these pieces of evidence. This one
we think seems more reliable than this. So do we
(35:17):
get to beyond a reasonable doubt with all of those
pieces of evidence?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And if an aha moment hasn't happened yet, it's probably
never going to happen during this truck.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I think we had the aha aha moments the first trial,
you know, when we heard the text from Michael proct
and things like that. But I don't know that there's
going to be any new testimonial evidence that comes in
that we didn't hear the first time.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Talkback Justin Boo was Brian Higgings talking to on the
phone at one thirty morning.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Once that.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Good question.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
It's a good question, you know, my we don't have
any answer, and at least as of right now, and
he hasn't been called, so he has been able to
get asked that question directly. You know, My question is
they clearly have from the federal investigation. We have the
fact that you know there were all these butt dials,
these calls. You know we heard trial number one about
(36:05):
that Brian al but and Brian Higgins had like a
twenty second call sometime after two o'clock in the morning.
So it would be it's hard for me to believe
that they don't also know who we called it one
thirty since they have all those other phone calls.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
My defense callum.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You know, I think it's interesting if they want to
point the finger at him again in order to get
to the third party jury instruction, which is where they
want to be. They want the judge to tell the
jury you can consider these alternatives.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
They need to.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
They need more than what's been presented by the komos
so in order to meet the motive, intended opportunity. That's
the standard in order to meet the third party culpriate prong.
I think they have to call Brian Higgins.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
All right, Catherine again, no smoking guns, no aha, moments.
Is just another trial three years in and we don't
know anything for sure. That's right, okay, and it's a
same evidence, new jury and okay, so thanks for coming in.
We'll do it again Thursday. In the meantime, what's coming up?
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Justin No, I want to say, we got to get
Karen Reid's car to auction. Oh, I'm all have you hosted?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
We're going to offer up several increments. If you feel
like making the donation quick and easy, just put your
hand in the air and we will constantly put the
money in the man
Now this morning show in Boston, Billy and Lisa in
the Morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Just a great start to my day on kids.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Oh good morning, everybody. Was that my girl Lola Young
right there?
Speaker 4 (00:11):
It was it was.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I love her. She's got the strongest English accent I've
ever heard. I can't understand a word she says when
she speaks, but I love her music.
Speaker 5 (00:19):
Yeah, but when she sings you can understand everything.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Isn't that odd?
Speaker 5 (00:23):
It is?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah, I love her. She's very good. Hey, guys, welcome
in Go Celtics. Okay, we knew they were going to
come back.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
Right I did. I could feel it.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
To prove a point.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
They grabbed the game last night in really good fashion.
I mean everybody played well. The defense was extraordinary. How
about that guy Luke Cornett.
Speaker 5 (00:42):
Huh he came out of nowhere. I know, wo man
right off the bench.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Well, he's a big dude, he is, So he showed
up for sure.
Speaker 6 (00:50):
So I'm here at home watching the Celtics game.
Speaker 7 (00:53):
Go sees when the camera pans and who.
Speaker 6 (00:56):
Do I seem?
Speaker 4 (00:59):
Okay, baby shout.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
I legitimately wanted to go back to the office last
night and start the show.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I know Lisa comes in this morning, says I wanted
to go on last night. We needed to pay off
on the bet. So yeah, Lisa and Justin won the
bet on Charalaway, will he or won't he be at
the game in Boston Winnie and I lose. I paid
Justin last night. I paid Lisa the show mon.
Speaker 5 (01:25):
He didn't pay me.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
We only had to pay.
Speaker 6 (01:27):
We were the wait twenty and twenty. No, no, it
was we were.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
It was only ten each, always an issue.
Speaker 8 (01:33):
No, no, because I want I would like to talk back
to uh like talk back in. We said, oh, if
we put ten in, that's forty dollars, like twenty and twenty.
So if you keep your ten that you're going to
put in, you just get ten dollars.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Yeah, I'm just waiting for your venmo, but I'm.
Speaker 8 (01:48):
Only giving ten dollars each. Five are you going to
get I'm not going to be each ten. No, that
was not the bet.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
The bet was, well, hold on, you're saying you're only
giving ten Yes, no, the bets each.
Speaker 8 (02:00):
No, the bet was that we all put ten dollars
in a kiddie and then and then whoever wins takes twenty.
Speaker 6 (02:06):
That was the bet that was explained on air.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Are you really arguing over.
Speaker 8 (02:12):
I'm arguing because I was doing to adjustin and you
inserted yourself, mister mush, and now I owe money I
would have won.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
You are the mush.
Speaker 5 (02:19):
We're still waiting for the money winning.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, I'll get you, yeah, regardless of you know what,
I've already given you twenty and now I'll give Lisa
twenty and that settles everything.
Speaker 6 (02:30):
Okay, then I don't have to give anything.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Yeah, that's where it's gonna go an.
Speaker 6 (02:33):
Amazing Yeah what I love it. I love it.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I love all of this.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
I was ready to give my ten dollars.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
No, no, no, no. Did you think for a minute
that Whinnie would shell out money.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
No.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
I texted you last night and she said, no, that's
a lie.
Speaker 6 (02:48):
That's why. And you know that I said, I pay
you tomorrow when we get paid. I have no money.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You saw my bank accounts?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, all I know.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
Anyway, the bet was that Timothy Shallo May would or
would not be there. Remember from the other day.
Speaker 6 (03:03):
It's just common sense. We hold the team.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
Are you sure you want to take this bet?
Speaker 6 (03:08):
Yes, Okay, we're not going to give him away. A
bunch of Nicks.
Speaker 9 (03:11):
We did it.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
We gave it to one Knicks fan.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
We did.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
It's just common sense.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Not so much.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
It was actually common sense for Justin and I.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
It's just common sense.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
It made so much sense that he was there. Yes,
all is I can never watch another Timothy Challameay movie.
Speaker 5 (03:29):
And the fact that he posted about it too. Justin
was like next level.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Oh, we were at Billy's event, which is great, amazing.
We would jump the show was going on with Billy
and Mike Rocket and Andy Husbands, Lisa jumping.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Do you realized Charge was there?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
He posted courts out.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Oh god, he had work boots on.
Speaker 10 (03:50):
Yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Break out the old Tims.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
But you're right that we were at your event, and
I was literally on my knees, like like literally like Chester,
are you kidding?
Speaker 3 (04:06):
I didn't see all that going on in the back
of the room.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
Guys, you were interviewing Mike Rockett.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah yeah, so yeah, thank you to all modern part
of the wayfair empire. I had my first what could
be more meat to eat with Billy events and it
was great. Andy Husbands and the Smoke Shops was there
and he was great. Thank you Andy. He brought some
great brisket, Oh my god, and his corn bread and
(04:31):
Mike Rocket and the team from Salem Maonaforn Hotel had
one of the best Ahi tuna dishes I've ever tried.
And they had lobster roll so it was a lot
of fun. Thank you to everybody who came up.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
And ninety plus sellers.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Oh good wine. Oh, I went right to the wine.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Yep, I had too. I finally had a glass of
wine at an event I never like. I'm always working
very finally had a glass of wine.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I poured myself a glass of wine before the bartender
even got there. They're great, broke into a bottle, So yeah,
thank you for that. Meantime, back to Chala May Randy
who used to work on this show, right, he was
our stunt guy. He started as an intern for us
for me. Actually came to two Olympic Games with me,
(05:15):
Atlanta and Australia.
Speaker 11 (05:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
He now is one of the owners of Big Night
Entertainment and of course card Ball, my son's company, Card
Vault by Tom Brady.
Speaker 9 (05:23):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He was sitting right behind Chala May last night.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yeah, he's all all over like the New York Post
and all the national you know, outlets.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So I gotta I'm gonna text him this morning, tell
him he's gotta come on the show.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
Listeners were sending me videos of Randy right next to him.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Last night's were Okay, here we go. Producer Riley pulled
the bet. Let's see what it was from the other He.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
Goes into the pool and the winners each get ten.
Speaker 6 (05:47):
Okay, ye.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Get twenty?
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Right, he goes in, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Because we'll be back two and two.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Oh y, so we have to give each of you ten?
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Yes, yes, so ten bucks each?
Speaker 11 (06:01):
No?
Speaker 6 (06:01):
No, did you hear it?
Speaker 8 (06:02):
Forty goes into the pool and the winters each get
twenty because there was four of us.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
You missed that part.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
Oh yeah, well I give you if.
Speaker 8 (06:08):
We all put in a pool like ten until you
get your ten back and then you double your money.
Speaker 6 (06:12):
You get it twenty. She's got attend and you get twenty.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
What are you all?
Speaker 8 (06:15):
BILLI and I I owe I owe ten dollars to
the pool. So either five to you and Lisa, or
just a tenant like Billy gave Lisa ten, and I
gave you a ten and year whole.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
I've already shelled out forty.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
Yeah, so I guess you have aver, you're covered.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Sorry, everything's fair.
Speaker 6 (06:30):
Everything's fair. Oh don't worry about me.
Speaker 12 (06:33):
Now.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
You know what I have to say is shut it down.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Shut it.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
From the Planet Fitness, Kiss one Away Studios. Well we're
back with the Billy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Kiss Hey guys, So welcome back and happy Thursday. So
very early this morning, Lisa Dunnoman came in. She says
to me, you know, you know Lisa Dunovan, She's been
all over the world, right.
Speaker 7 (06:55):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
And she comes in she said, Bill, I got to
tell you something. I was at the best event I've
ever been to in my entire life yesterday.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Well, it was the most beautiful event I've ever seen.
It was the party in the park. It's a benefit
for the Emerald Necklace, which is all of our public
park systems in Boston. It's really important to raise money
to keep them beautiful because that's what we use. Like
we walk in the park. It's gorgeous and makes the
city so much better. I'm telling you, I've never seen
a crowd more beautiful in my entire life. The dresses,
the hats. People had hats made for them in different countries,
(07:25):
and a woman from Columbia was there and she had
a giannet from Columbia. It was like the clost event.
Ever I had a fresh floral almost like a fascinator. Yeah,
that was all fresh flowers. It was really gorgeous. And
shout out to David de Chico who does all the
floral design for this event. I've honestly like I've never
(07:46):
seen anything like it.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
We've got one of those fascinators at home. That's something else.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
So but.
Speaker 13 (07:52):
Morning is a shout out to Lisa. I have met
her yesterday at party in the Park. Great organization helping
our park stagery and stay accessible to everyone. She did
a fantastic job and raise a lot of money for
a great cause.
Speaker 9 (08:06):
Have a great day.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Run And what were the men wearing like tails?
Speaker 5 (08:10):
Some of them were wearing hats like derby hats, you
know what I mean, or like straw hats. Yeah, they
weren't as like, you know, over the top.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
But yeah. And we had a great event last night
in Lynnfield at Market Street in Lynnfield at All Modern,
which by the way is part of the Wayfair Empire.
Just a beautiful set up last night. I want to
thank chef Andy Husbands from Smoke shops and Mike Rocket
from the Salem Waterfront Hotel. I want to thank everybody
for coming out. It was nice. We had a lot
of fun, a couple of glasses of wine.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
And ninety plus sellers yeaheah. They were in full full
form last night.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
It was It was a great night. We had a
great time. And I want to give a shout out
to one of our listeners. Her name is Melanie. Melanie
is five years old. Oh, and she showed up to
the event and she made me this draw this piece
of art that I'm holding. I know you can't see this,
but it's a big piece of construction paper with all
kinds of drawings and stickers.
Speaker 14 (09:02):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
So she made it for me and showed up to
the event to give it to me. So shout out
to her Melanie, and her mom's in the army serving currently.
Speaker 11 (09:10):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Thank you to her mom for her service. Thank you
for listening to us. Sunkiss went await, Melanie, Thank.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
You for coming out last night. Melanie a five year old.
That's awesome listening to us.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
You know, it's just common sense.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Now the entertainment update with a Billy God set.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'll be playing that for the next.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Man. The Celtics came up big last night. The defense
came up big last night. Seltz beat the Knicks in
Game five. Derek White team highed thirty four points.
Speaker 11 (09:40):
But I want to go home and so we understand
that it's only goats tougher.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
We haven't done anything yet. Just gotta find a way
to go to New York and win a game. Jalen
Brown twenty six points, eight rebounds, twelve us is.
Speaker 14 (09:53):
I appreciate the fans that showed up tonight. You know,
it was a great atmosphere. It was loud, you know,
and uh, I it's easy to kind of write things off,
but we still got basketball to be played. You know,
I believe in his group, so you know, don't count
us out just yet.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Yeah, Coach Missoula, the team stepped up big time.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
We did what was necessary to do what we need
to do to get back to New York.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
So I mad made winning plays on both engula floor. Yeah,
gotta imagine Jason Tatum watching the game, right. He actually
posted a picture from his hospital bed yesterday, which was
very cool. And by the way, the surgeon who did
the Achilles surgery, doctor Martin O'Malley, also did Kobe Bryant,
Tiger Woods and Kevin Durant.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Oh wow, he used to go too.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
They got him in there quick.
Speaker 12 (10:37):
Huh.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah, they did right up.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
They fell right out.
Speaker 5 (10:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Shout outs to doctor Martin O'Malley. ESPN spoke to Tatum's dad,
who was coaching the team overseas when Tatum got injured.
Speaker 12 (10:50):
Jason ended up giving him a call once he was
able to. They cried on the phone together and Jason
was asking him, why me, Dad, why me? Why does
this have to happen to me? And he said, son,
this is this is God's will. You're young, You're gonna
get through this.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Yeah. Game five in New York tomorrow night and New
York fans, by the way, is a big write up
in the Post this morning calling Boston the worst city
in America. Where's people, worse culture, worst sports team. They
hate us because they ain't us, Okay, just saying meantime.
Celebrities in the building last night, Timothy Challa May and
(11:29):
Dave portnoy I couldn't believe it hosting a live event.
Lisa walks in she and ingested her in the back
of the room last night celebrating jumping up and down
because they saw La May courtside. Do you know what?
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Winnie had this in the bag?
Speaker 15 (11:45):
Here, poor Winnie, she had the bet in the bag.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And then the mush shows up and hitches his.
Speaker 9 (11:52):
Wagon to her.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Exactly, wait, what a game though?
Speaker 10 (11:55):
I can't take this anymore.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Oh, that's literally what happened. It was just you know,
when he was just winning an eye.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Yeah, what have we learned? The mush still lives?
Speaker 6 (12:07):
Business costs the next time I want to make a.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Bet Portnoy Court's side. In a hypothetical Portnoy was asked
what would happen say if he and Taylor Swift were
fighting for the same seat.
Speaker 16 (12:20):
The schedule for the series comes out. I say, hey,
I can get there for game five. Can you reserve
two for me for Game five? Yup date? Now they're
all booked. Taylor Swift calls two hours before the game.
We have no tickets. They're not moving me. They'd be
like they someone else, make it move. But if it
comes down to me and Taylor at that at that spot,
they're not kicking me out.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
Do you think that's true, bing Bong, I mean he
believes that to be true.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Imagine if he got the seats over Taylor Swift to
just texture bing bong, bing bong if needed. Of course,
Game seven would be back here in Boston Monday night,
eight o'clock tip off. Rihanna has a new song coming
out tomorrow. It's her first in three years, part of
The New Spurfs Smurf's movie soundtrack called Friend of Mine.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yeah, it's being described as a listening experience. That's how
it was described to me. Wow, I don't know what
that means.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
But her next album is still in the works. Meantime,
The Weekend's new movie, Hurry Up Tomorrow, comes out tomorrow.
The Weekend is in it with Barrick Ye Yogan and
Jenna Ortega and The Weekend Big Jenna Ortega fan.
Speaker 11 (13:30):
Jenna, I've been a fan of We've had some mutual
working friends, Kevin who is a producer on X also
producer on our film. Kevin Terry, who passed away very
close with us. He had showed me her work Yeah
and X Scream. Everything she's done. She's always just been
more than a star, just an emotional performer that I've
always wanted to you know that I saw for Anima.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Justin you anxiously awaiting this movie.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Not so much. Okay, now, after the Idol, I'm not
really a big fan of his acting. Maybe he'll surprise me.
I don't know why he's going back to acting. The
Idol was probably one of the worst shoots shows.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I've ever Got You a bomb? Oh my god, it was
just so awful.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
It was really awkward to watch.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
He's so creepy.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Yeah. Yeah, And by the way, the character that he
played in the Idol has a lot of similarities to Diddy.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Oh right, yes, oh boy. Tate McCrae's new song with
Morgan Walland comes out tomorrow. Reports say it's more anticipated
than any other Morgan Walland song ever. We'll see, we'll
get it tomorrow. How about Tate McCrae in Germany this
week doing a cover of Taylor Swift's The One.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
I really like Tate McCray but sometimes I don't know
what the hell she's saying.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I didn't she said to had a word of what
she said.
Speaker 6 (14:42):
There, And I don't know the song.
Speaker 8 (14:44):
Like, when you know the lyrics, you can kind of
like make it out. But I've never heard this song before.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Hey, how about this? Netflix is bringing back star Search.
Remember that Ed McMahon. It was a weekly talent show
that ran from the eighties into the nineties, launched the
arrears of everybody from Dave Chappelle to Beyonce, Justin Timberlake,
even a very young Britney spears.
Speaker 11 (15:14):
She's this little girl that put out a voice of
like an.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Eighteen year old.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
She's doing musicals, remember when she was a little girl
like that.
Speaker 16 (15:26):
I love getting dressed up, I love the candy, and
I love scaring people.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
Isn't that ironic though, a little bit?
Speaker 8 (15:34):
When I say that five or whatever? Ten, she sounds
like she's eighteen. Now she's forty. She sounds like she's five.
Speaker 10 (15:38):
Yeah, and then it's coloring right now, I like to
color in her choice.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
Well, she didn't have a childhood, yeah, because she was childhood.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
She's regressed considerably.
Speaker 10 (15:49):
Yeah, eighteen the money.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yeah. Jennifer Lopez injured her face while working and rehearsing
for the American Music Awards coming up later this month.
Big gash on her face. She needed ditches. Uh, and
she's going to be hosting the show and performing.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
Did she trip and fall?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
She's not saying. They're not giving any details yet.
Speaker 6 (16:09):
Dance or something hit her.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
She would literally have the where you work.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
And TMZ last night aired a special on Justin Bieber
called what Happened to Justin Bieber? Uh, here's TMZ's Harry Levin.
Speaker 17 (16:26):
We have talked to a lot of people in Bieber's camp,
and not just peripheral people, people who know, and we've
talked to people in Scooter Bronze camp. So you know,
it has bled over into finances his marriage. You know,
there are all sorts of allegations about drug use. He's
had drug issues in the past, and we explore.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
All of it.
Speaker 17 (16:48):
But the short answer to your story is he is
struggling some.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
That way on the breakup. By the way, the special
suggests that Bieber owed Scooter Brat on millions, It wasn't
Scooter Braun who owned Justin Bieber Millions. Did I call
Harvey Harry there for a second, did I thought?
Speaker 7 (17:07):
So?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Jay Shetty is in Boston tonight. He's at the Box
Center Wang Theater. We had him on the show recently.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
We did, Yeah, I'm going to the show tonight.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
Oh you are going?
Speaker 16 (17:16):
I am.
Speaker 15 (17:19):
No, I know.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
All this stuff just kind of landed in my lap
all at the same time. So, yeah, when's the last
time you went home? I was home last night after.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Your Yeah, and he has a group meditation I think
right before the show.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Yeah, I'm really curious to see what the show's all about.
So that's where I'm going.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
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Speaker 2 (17:55):
York From the Planet's fitness Kiss one Away Studios, Y're
back with a Villy and Lisa in the morning.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
Hey guys, so welcome back. Happy Thursday. Congratulations to the
Celtics and to Celtics fans. Big win for the Celts
last night in Game five. Game six tomorrow night back
in New York, and then if there's a Game seven,
it'll be right here in Boston Monday night.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yes, did you say if needed?
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Well, I mean, you gotta be honest. You know, I'm
not being a doubter, but I'm just saying, if it's needed,
it's mathematic right.
Speaker 6 (18:28):
Billy is the mush.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
He just said, if needed, Game seven will be in Boston, Billy,
Game seven will be in Boston. Not if needed.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
God, she's right. Game seven gonna be back here in Boston.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
There we go, Yeah, there we go, Big Bong.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah, we're gonna have the repeat Monday night, the repeat
for your world champion Boston Celtics. Let's go pick it up. Okay, Donovan,
Donovan's always been the doubter. No, I haven't.
Speaker 5 (18:57):
I might be the only one who's been like they
can do it.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Oh hey, look at this we got to do. It's
time for the ticket tag for Boston calling three day
VIP passes. We'll get a call on name Lisa, this lineup,
give it to them again.
Speaker 5 (19:09):
Okays, miss it's everyone from lukecom, Chryl crow, T Paine,
Dave Matthews Band, tlc Avril, Levine, Fallout Boy, just to
name a couple.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
All in one weekend, Memorial Day weekend.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
Yeah, it's like the perfect way to spend your Memorial
Day weekend.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
And you're a VIP. So I'm going to call the
name right now at Carrie O'Toole twenty eight at Kerry
O'Toole twenty eight. You've got fifteen minutes to call us
back in the meantime, justin you get some docbacks in there.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
I do. I just want to add that if you
are trying to win these vip passes, it is not
too late. You can go to the Kiss Instagram and
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seven ten, we'll announce another name for the Boston Calling
vip passes. Just want to throw that out there for
people that don't know that. Just tuned in.
Speaker 9 (19:54):
I was studying abroad in Sweden in college and I
ruptured my achilles ten and playing volleyball and it was
the worst pain that I've ever felt in my life.
And it was a complete tear, and I had two
different casts, and I was in pet forever and in Sweden.
It was pretty interesting. But yeah, wo big recovery time.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, that's often it's among the worst injuries. It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
So Kobe Bryant returned in eight months from his achilles
achilles rupture. Kevin Durant eighteen months.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
It just depends, It just depends.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, what's his name, Aaron Rodgers. He was ready to
go in four months. Yeah, well he was high and
different kind he was talking about. He was high.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Didn't he say he literally did like mushrooms?
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Oh no, no, no, he just did like he did
like you know, treatments and stuff. He did alternative alternative treatments.
But you know, I mean he takes ay aahuawsca.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Well okay, yeah, but that's not what healed him. That's
more like for the spiritual tream whatever.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
Okay, Oh, you're done.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
I don't know, are we?
Speaker 7 (21:01):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
I didn't know if you had another talk pack to
throw in.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Oh, I have plenty you want to keep going? Oh yeah, okay,
this is.
Speaker 18 (21:07):
Less checking in last day at Budapest. Beautiful city, beautiful
people and lots of history. If you ever have a
chance to visit here, you should. I've been very relaxed
and catching up on my podcast. Then I will be
able to do that this weekend on our way to Italy.
Thank you very much.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Oh LEAs, what's going on?
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Last ye?
Speaker 9 (21:29):
Now?
Speaker 3 (21:29):
I'm glad we extended the talkback, see because that was
our first talkbacker from Budapest.
Speaker 6 (21:35):
I'm pretty sure Less and his wife live in Italy
or like Pa in Italy own.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, and we don't know Less's story.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
We don't know. But he does travel a lot, he
told us before.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
I think it's that his wife works, can work from
home remotely. Maybe he does too. And they live and
I think, like she said, Italy and they travel.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Are you saying there's a chance Less is a plus one?
Speaker 18 (21:58):
Well?
Speaker 6 (21:58):
I think they both do well when they both decided
to just try.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
That's awesome.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
My grandmother was from Hungry. I didn't know that card Hungarian.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
So you're Polish and Hungarian. Wow, I thought was in India.
Oh my god.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Okay, I don't know if I would.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
We need to give sabbaticals globe.
Speaker 6 (22:30):
It's just common sense.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
Kiss.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Okay. Another day in the Karen Reid trial. Yesterday, and
every Thursday morning, we bring in our in house attorney counselor,
Catherine A. Loftis So good morning.
Speaker 10 (22:43):
Catherine, Good morning everyone.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Quick story. I was out the other day with my
uh note, my objection baseball had on, and at least
two or three people said, oh my god, do you
know her? So, yes, she's a friend of ours.
Speaker 10 (22:59):
She I love it, thank you for wearing it.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yeah, you've got some good merch. Quick question on yesterday's proceedings. Okay,
did the judge call reads lawyer in a hole?
Speaker 10 (23:11):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Obviously this has been circulating around. It's really difficult. There's
something that gets caught on audio somewhere.
Speaker 10 (23:18):
We don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Who it is, what exactly what it says. I don't
think it's clear.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Justin do you have the clip? I need to be
heard at sidebard. I will hear you.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
Someone said it, Yeah, someone said it.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Now I think that was like a two hour sidebar,
like it's out of control.
Speaker 5 (23:39):
Well, yeah, what's without a sidebars?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
So the problem is the reason why they have to
go to sidebar with everything is Massachusetts, we don't argue
the law in front of the jury. So anytime there's
an objection that needs like a substantive argument, you have
to do it at sidebar. But the problem is everything
is so contentious in this case. So you know, there's
so many times that they have to go to sydebard.
It always seems to happen that it's before a break,
before a launch. So then it just leads into you know,
(24:02):
you often see it, maybe it's ten thirty, ten forty five.
You see them go to sidebar, and then they say
We're just going to take the break now because the
sidebars are so extensive.
Speaker 5 (24:12):
I have a question. Something unique happened this week. Karen
Reid got sick, Yes, she was not in court. How
does that? How is that handled? If someone has a
link the illness or like, do they have to prove
to the court that they're sick?
Speaker 7 (24:23):
No?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I mean generally, as offices of the court, as attorneys,
if we make a representation to the judge that you know,
our client is sick, can't come in, generally they'll take that,
you know, that information from us as a good faith basis.
You know, there's always times it depends. This is a
murder trial. She's shown up for every single court date,
and sometimes things in life happen. Sometimes people get sick,
(24:44):
Sometimes the lawyer gets sick, or the judge gets sick.
If it's something different, you know, in a different kind
of case where a client doesn't you know, has shown
not shown up multiple times, the judge might say, hey,
we need some proof or we're going to issue a warrant.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
But that's certainly not the case in tust with mister.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Follow, will you allow does the defendant have to be
in the.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Courtroom the defendant has a right to be She has
to be present.
Speaker 10 (25:08):
She can't just you know, not come.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Sometimes what happens is, you know, if there's issue with
the defendant, sometimes they keep them, you know, behind in
the dock or things like that. But generally you have
to be in the coorum. That's usually only if there's
a security issue or something like that.
Speaker 5 (25:22):
Can they zoom in to trial?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (25:25):
No, no, you know, there might be some circumstance where
they allowed it, but as a general rule, no, you
need to be there in person.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
I have another cool story in terms of the obsession
people have with the Karen reidtrial. I went for a
haircut yesterday. Laurie, if you're out there, hello, Laurie. And
Laurie and her sister are so obsessed with the Karen reidtrial.
I'm sitting there getting a haircut and she has a
giant laptop on the counter right in front of my chair,
(25:53):
like she does not stop watching the trial for a
single minute. So I'm sitting there. That's when I saw
the judge possibly call the lawyer in a hole, and
then there was a two hour sidebar.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Quite frankly, I don't know how any of us are
get in any real work done, because it seems like
we're all doing the same thing, you know, watching and working,
watching and working.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I read somewhere yesterday that the jury was surprised looking
when Heartnett testified that she never tested the swabs from
the solo cups, like what's going on there?
Speaker 1 (26:21):
She tested one, she said she didn't test them all
because she was told that they came from essentially the
same place. So they don't always test every single sample
that they get. If it comes, you know, from one
specific location, they'll usually test one or two pieces, things
like that. But you know, that's certainly something. The question becomes,
how you know, how relevant is the blood? Obviously this
(26:46):
is going to be at least some of its John O'Keeffe's.
But they get to make the argument, the defense now
that if you didn't test it, couldn't have you know,
gleaned some results that were somebody else. So that's one one.
You know, when we talk about when we talk about
the bricks build a wall of reasonable doubt, these are
the things that they're trying to poke holes in one
at a time.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
But I guess the jury, you know that visibly thought
it was kind of peculiar.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Well, it seems, you know, because if you think about,
what's the point of taking all the samples if you're
not going to test them. So that's you know, again,
that's one of these things that maybe they're not maybe
it's not a purposeful you know act, but does it
open the door to you know, wait, something else might
might have been there that you didn't test.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Well, I think it's without question the investigation was kind
of botched. I mean, this is like small time you know,
gang that couldn't shoot straight kind of a thing.
Speaker 10 (27:37):
Yeah, well, and I think I think, I mean.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Right, I mean with the little red cups and the leaf.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Blower and you find out they didn't test them.
Speaker 17 (27:47):
Hold.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Now it's topic time for the Billy and Lisa in
the morning.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
And we do it every Thursday morning after the Karen
Reid trought. Thursday morning, we have Catherine Loftus are in
house legal expro especially on the read case in with us.
We take your calls. By the way, we have a
couple of open lines six one, seven, nine one one.
Oh wait if you get correct questions for Catherine justin talkbacks.
Speaker 15 (28:11):
When you talk to Catherine Loftus today, could you ask
her about Brian Higgins when he was at the sally
Port around one thirty is or whatever time it was.
They showed in the video his hand looked red and swollen.
I don't know if that's being discussed, if that looks
(28:32):
like a possibility from a fight. I'm curious to know.
So please ask her.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Okay, I ask you, Catherine loftus the swollen hand, what's
up with that?
Speaker 1 (28:42):
That's the first I've actually heard of it. I know
there's obviously been a lot of discussion around the video,
you know, the fact that there was you know, he
was on the phone, he allegedly went there to move
cause did he move? Cause That's the first I've heard,
and so I'll have to go back and take a
look at it. The only way we're really going to
hear more about Brian Higgins as if the defense calls them.
It's pretty it seems pretty certain at this point that
(29:03):
the call Walls is not going to call him as
one of their witnesses. They certainly don't need him to
prove any of the charges that they have against Karen Reid.
So I would say that's a to be determined based
on whether the defense calls him and what they ask him.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
Well, maybe it was swollen from lifting the drink up.
Speaker 5 (29:19):
And I think I think he's a key I think
he's a key witness, I just for the trial. Like,
there's a lot of stuff about him that people you know.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
So if he definitely, he's definitely a big part of
the conversation. But if you think about it from the
Calmwalls perpectives, so they're the ones who approve, you know,
it's their job to present their case and present the
witnesses that they think they need to prove the case
in order to prove her responsible of the manslaughter. Because
I really think the second degree is off the table
and it's not worth diving into that deeply. What does
(29:52):
Brian Higgins actually at Does he testify to anything that
you know, meets one of the elements for manslaughter. No,
but he certainly goes go to the defense theory, which
is Hank Burndon is really going this in a very
it's a risky but it's an interesting trial strategy. Basically,
he's saying, Hey, last time we defended ourselves against the
(30:13):
defense theory. This time we're just going to try to
prove our case. If you want to believe Brian Haggins
and Brian Albert. You can call them in your case,
so it'll be interesting.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
What did you make of the niece's testimony yesterday? Was
there any significance to it?
Speaker 1 (30:26):
So we didn't actually we did hear. I didn't hear
it myself. We obviously got this second hand because she's
a miner. There's no video or no audio recording. What
she was called to testify to was really relative to
the nature of the conversation, between the nature of the
relationship between John and Karen towards the end, as well
as the interaction with Karen that morning. You know, I
think it's difficult because she obviously does give some insight
(30:48):
into what was happening that morning, you know, the statements
Karen was making. She's really the first person who sees
her after she you know, comes back from thirty four.
Fair of you, but also you know, it's it seems
but based on all reports that it's very clear, you know,
she has real, you know, feelings of anger towards Karen.
Speaker 5 (31:06):
And it's difficult.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
I think anytime somebody who is a young person who
has been through this much trauma has to get up
on the stand and testify.
Speaker 10 (31:13):
But you know, very brave of her to do something.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
And she was fourteen at the time. Seventeen Now justin talkback.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I just want to say, we have some issues here.
The phone lines are down.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, you know how something is going on.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
I thought it was weird and I was trying to
I was like, that's weird.
Speaker 9 (31:30):
Tut.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
You're down everywhere all the radio stations. So we're working
on that. That means the only way to hit us
up is through the talkbacks. Yeah, not through the phones. Nope,
we can't hit us on the phone. Some of the
talkbacks on the hired Apple right, No.
Speaker 5 (31:44):
Never.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I have a question.
Speaker 15 (31:46):
Does Karen ever get her car back once the trial
is over?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
So so it stays in evidence until the litigation is done.
Basically theoretically she could if it's not guilty, but probably
some bad energy.
Speaker 10 (32:03):
I don't know what she'd want to do with it.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
Well, she could just.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Sell it it. Yeah, they put it up for auction.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
You know what.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
They Probably.
Speaker 6 (32:13):
She needs the money.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Like a fundraising galli Yeah, Bill, yeah, give give me.
I'm available.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
Raising good money.
Speaker 7 (32:26):
I never heard Karen Reid say she saw John O'Keefe
go in the house until this week, and that contradicts
what she's saying that I hit him, I hit him,
I hit him. Is anyone questioning that?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Yes, And so we haven't seen as much of the
as many of the statements from Karen read just yet
and again the way the COMMA has presented it is
a little bit more strategic this time. So what they've
done is presented all of her statements from these various
media interviews saying, you know, I said yeah, I could
have said I hit him. I thought, you know, he
was in kind of the spot where I left him.
(33:01):
Also the fact that when she was first questioned by
the state police and asked did he go in the house,
she said no. And so what Attorney Brennan is going
to try to do is now likely present the different
pieces of not testimony she calls it her testimony, but
the media interviews in which she says she saw him
go up the driveway. And of note, I think is
(33:25):
in each interview that she gives, which starts with the
dateline interview first and early fall of twenty twenty three,
I think she says, you know, I saw him walk
up the driveway, and then in the next interview, it's
I saw him walk up the driveway and you know,
kind of hand near the door. In the next interview,
it's walk up the driveway headed poke to the head
in the house. And then I think the last one
she says she sees him go all the way in.
(33:46):
So what they're the Komalth is going to try to
point out that this is sort of this conscious effort
to change the narrative about what happened that night.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
So, you know what fascinates me the most about this
trial what years in and I get the impression that
nothing's been proven.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Well, you know, the difficult thing with criminal cases, I
think people often feel like there's going to be this
answer that's clear for everybody, and generally that's not the
way it happens. If there's you know, unless something's caught
on video or there is literally an eyewitness, you know,
testimony that says I saw a right that most criminal cases,
there really always is this rum of did they do it?
(34:29):
Do we know for sure? Is there ever really an answer?
And the closest we can get is the criminal justice
system as we have it, which is to prove the
case beyond reasonable doubt.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
It's all about doubt or not period. I mean basically,
there's no smoking gun.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
There's no smoking gun. And then most honestly believe, most
of the time in criminal cases, there isn't a smoking gun.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
It's stringing together pieces of evidence that's right to like
paint a picture that's right.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
So it's little pieces, you know, It's there isn't ever
generally one big piece of evidence that you go aha
towards the komwall thought towards the defense. It's you taking
all these pieces of information. What the jury's job is
to do is to look at them as a whole,
not say one equals you know, A equals B. It's okay,
we have all of these pieces of evidence. This one
we think seems more reliable than this. So do we
(35:17):
get to beyond a reasonable doubt with all of those
pieces of evidence?
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And if an aha moment hasn't happened yet, it's probably
never going to happen during this truck.
Speaker 5 (35:24):
Now.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
I think we had the aha aha moments the first trial,
you know, when we heard the text from Michael proct
and things like that. But I don't know that there's
going to be any new testimonial evidence that comes in
that we didn't hear the first time.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Talkback Justin Boo was Brian Higgings talking to on the
phone at one thirty morning.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Once that.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Good question.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
It's a good question, you know, my we don't have
any answer, and at least as of right now, and
he hasn't been called, so he has been able to
get asked that question directly. You know, My question is
they clearly have from the federal investigation. We have the
fact that you know there were all these butt dials,
these calls. You know we heard trial number one about
(36:05):
that Brian al but and Brian Higgins had like a
twenty second call sometime after two o'clock in the morning.
So it would be it's hard for me to believe
that they don't also know who we called it one
thirty since they have all those other phone calls.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
My defense callum.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You know, I think it's interesting if they want to
point the finger at him again in order to get
to the third party jury instruction, which is where they
want to be. They want the judge to tell the
jury you can consider these alternatives.
Speaker 10 (36:32):
They need to.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
They need more than what's been presented by the komos
so in order to meet the motive, intended opportunity. That's
the standard in order to meet the third party culpriate prong.
I think they have to call Brian Higgins.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
All right, Catherine again, no smoking guns, no aha, moments.
Is just another trial three years in and we don't
know anything for sure. That's right, okay, and it's a
same evidence, new jury and okay, so thanks for coming in.
We'll do it again Thursday. In the meantime, what's coming up?
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Justin No, I want to say, we got to get
Karen Reid's car to auction. Oh, I'm all have you hosted?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
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