July 28, 2025 • 15 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right when he throw on those headphones. Hi everybody,
Hi Winny.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I hope you had a fantastic weekend, me or the
people everybody. But I'm looking at you right now in
my studio.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Which did have a weekend. I know you had a
good weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I had a great weekend. I had a couple of
really good weekends. You have Shinedown concert and Fendway this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Your son has had great weekends.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yeah, I know, he's only eight to I know this
is this is the beginning, not the beginning, but this
is I don't I've never done this with him, taken
him to this.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So much of it it fell that way.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
The Red Sox was planned for months. That was something
I had asked Billy for a long time ago. The
Shinedown happened on a whim. And you know, when the
lead singer of the band says, hey, get your personal invite,
then you go. But I know, I know, I think
it was you or someone said, you know, the next
show that you bring him to and you're in the
general audience, he's gonna be like, when are we going backstage? Yep, yep,
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yeah that's coming. So but yeah, we had a great weekend.
We went to Fenway. It was really great. He loves
the Dodgers. He loves sho heeo Tani, so that was
really cool. We had great seats. Shout out to Billy
on that and shout out to the cost of Boys
in general. Because Chris had texted me earlier in the
week about something else and then I didn't know that
he had a connection to do anything. I go. But
he's a baseball player fan, so I said, oh, I'm
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going to the game. And then he said, oh, I'll
get you on field for batting practice.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Ye, another park that your kid got.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Okay, don't hate on my side.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, I'm not. I think it's great.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I'm just saying you're going to have a skewed version
of reality if you don't be careful.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I know. I try to educate him. This isn't how
it goes.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
No, I talked to him. I do, and he doesn't.
He doesn't fully get it, you know, he doesn't really
get it. Like he asked me this weekend if I
was a celebrity, and I'm like no, and he goes, Okay, well,
who's a celebrity. So then I started naming actual celebrities,
and I go, but you know, Billy cost is a celebrity,
which he is, you know, And I'm like, I'm not.
I'm just a dad.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
You're known.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm known a little bit, You're known a little bit.
But I went to Fenway Park and no one came
up to me and said, are you justin? I'm just
dad taking his kid to the game, right, That's all
I am. So anyway, what'd you do anything good to up? Note? Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
What did we do? We went?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Don't say you went out to dinner?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, what did we do? Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
No? Friday we stayed in, which is kind of nice.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Saturday we went to Providence.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You're a big Rhode Island person.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I live there for like three months. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
That was That's a memory you don't want.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I don't want.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I don't want to have.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
What do we do Saturday Day? I don't know? Just
random shit.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
We just had like a chill weekend. We were in
bed yesterday till like one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, that's I missed those days.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And then we like went back to bed till like three.
It was just like we I was like, we need
to get out of bed like we need to get
like we need to but you.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Get up and watch TV, right, yeah, and then you
lay down and watch TV. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But then then we fell asleep.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
We felt like we got up at like seven or
eight yesterday and then we were like laying in bed
until one o'clock. We fell back to sleep. We were
doing whatever watching TV?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Were you being active?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Obviously?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Of course what were you watching?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
We watched that yesterday morning.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
We watched that documentary about the guy the dentist watch
it from Philly that murdered his wife in Zimbabe No,
in Zambia at National Park. I think it would be
the one that Billy went to because he wanted the
mistress the mission.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So, I mean the theme was.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
This guy who was a narcissist and basically he was
making I mean, first of all, he shot his finger
off so that he could say he couldn't practice anymore
because he was a dentist. So he was getting thirty
thousand dollars a month in disability right not tax, and
then doing work at night.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
For cash right oh, under the table, under the table.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Then when his partners figured they were doing that, they
threatened him to leave. They're going to call the police
for embezzlement, opened up a practice cross street next week,
So then he's getting it on both sides.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right. He has a mistress of like fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It was like a dental hygienis for him, and she's like,
I'm done, Like I don't want like I'm not your
side bitch anymore. But he didn't want to divorce his
first wife because he didn't want to split the money.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Did she know the hygienis that he killed his wife
or that he was planning.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
To well, she said that. They said she gave him
ultimatum to get rid of the wife, but like not
to leave her. Whoa who knows because then.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
They moved to Arizona, and an Arizona's bartender heard him say,
I killed my wife for.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You, So she definitely knew.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So she knew.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I don't know she knew before or after. So she's
in jail right now too.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Creep.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, so I sold Billy's going back to Africa in October,
so I'm better have his head in a swivel.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah. So I used to be really obsessed with the
crime shows, specifically, what do you call that investigation?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, no, forensic files. Yes, yeah, and they'll have marathons
on still on. I'll watch it and every episode is
the same thing. It's that exact exact story.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Oh and I.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Started my boyfriend. He's never seen making a murderer, so
we started it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yes, Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And he was like, you've already seen I go. It's
been like so long, I don't remember having it.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So we're still in jail.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I know.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
It's not on episode four where it starts to get weird,
like is the nephew making shit up?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Like because at the first one he goes, this is
kind of slow.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I'm like, they have to set it up when that
he was falsely in prison first, but.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Then the real crime. I don't know. I still don't day.
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I don't know either. I thought they were going to
get out and then they didn't. All I know is
the kid just loves WrestleMania.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
But do you think that when Stephen Avery had so
much to lose that point, because he was gonna be
going for that big loss.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Why would he murder that girl? It just doesn't it
doesn't add up in all of his time for not
violent before that.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I know, yes, he was accused of a violent crime
that he didn't do, but he was he the crimes
that he did immediately do were not violent.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, I just feel bad for the uh the kid.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, he's specials.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
He's definitely on the spectator are putting. I mean, like,
tell us about that the shot in the head. Yeah,
we shot him in the head, like you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I seem that it could have been coerced. But then
I don't know, it's you don't know, it's like the
Karen Reid thing. It's like did she do it? And
then they're like no, there's no way she did it.
Then you're like, wait, maybe she didn't. She was drunk,
you know, And.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I know, but like this, I'm like thinking, I'm like,
you're about to probably get millions of dollars and you're
gonna kill the photographer for the for the for the car.
And then how this it gave me car read flashbacks
about how the key was ever so placed in his
bedroom that no one saw it first and I was
just sitting there like and the cops said, yeah, I
didn't see the key at first. But then when the
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two crooked cops that were an investigation for the first
false imprisonment found it there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It was me that was like, yeah, the show was huge.
It was twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I believe it's crazy that it was so long ago.
I thought it was COVID. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I thought it was no way before.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But they they did a fallow up season at twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, did I watch that?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I forget it's ten they're both ten episodes.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah. I don't think he's ever going to get get out.
You might Steven Able not only.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Was he special needs, but he's definitely I mean he's
not all there.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
No, I mean their whole family, like the smart one.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's the dumbest person, like in a room like you, Like,
they're just not a bright family.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah. Imagine doing all that time then getting out and
going right back.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
God, I was reading actually about the Idaho college killer
and Coburger. Then yeah, man, he's going to the worst prison,
which rightly so he should be put to death, honestly.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Like one again, random act of violence.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
You don't know these people like you, you know, just
you just stuck out a.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Apartment.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That's just a psycho, right, And even during the witness
impact statements, when he was there, he just sat there
for fucking how long was it two hours or something?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, some of them were what was the good line?
I saw?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
If you weren't a pedal like you didn't attack them,
there sleep a pedophile phile kid would have kicked your
ass yep.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And then then there was the one about you're gonna
get big d in prison.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh yeah, the mom, Yeah, you get some big dick
for president. Yeah. No, yeah, there was a lot. I
mean it was so gruesome, those poor children, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Think you know, they always say that, they always say that,
and he deserves everything, right, he deserves to get Yeah,
typically it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
You don't get rape like that. There's not a lot
of rape going on.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean there is, but not always.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
No does not rape, right, it's just you got.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh yeah, there's a lot of that going on, a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Of like cho like a lot of guys that they're
gay for the day.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, they just horny, and you know what, they don't
have a woman. Woman. What's the one that you did
in jail at one time?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Eighteen months?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
How was that for you?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It was fine, but it wasn't state president. It was county.
So there was none of that going on. But even
even in state prison, like all my friends went to
state prison and they didn't really see it that much.
You didn't see it. But again, some of these prisons,
the one that Coburg is going to is vicious in.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The same state.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Sometimes they move them around. They don't always say.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Even federal they do federal that you move from state
to state, but in state they could, they could move
them around the state. There was a state crime. But yeah,
I don't know if that always happens, but that he
should be put to death. Honestly, well death the death
penalty thing. I am for it, but then I get
torn about it because then I think about people that
are innocent.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well, I also think it's the easy way out.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It is, but then they got to pay for him
to live for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That's true too, but like it's like, oh, we're gonna
give him what, You're gonna kill him so he's have
the success, you know, feel the consequence of his actions.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
But some of these people live instead of getting the
death penalty, they get life in prison and they live
in Okay, lives, yeah, in prison. But Colburg is gonna
be put away for like twenty three hours a day.
They're not gonna be able to get Narro him. I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, he's not gonna be in general pop.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
No or high profile.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You're bored and they've got TV or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Sometimes they do. Yeah, they have TVs in the cells. Yeah,
it sucks because when I went to the first time
I went to bill Rica House of Corrections, there were
huge riots in the nineties and they tore the place down.
So they used to have TVs like in the day room,
but when I got there, there were none. Please talk
about it all the time. I know it is tough. Anyway,
(10:07):
It's a brand new week on the after Show. If
you missed the after shows last week, we had a
really couple of really good episodes Maddie from Power of
Recovery and Dame or In and.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Nurse Fiona, Hi Justin and Winnie.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
It's Angela the Scientist. I just listened to the EPP
with Nurse Fiona and it was so good. I could
have listened to like another hour of her. Everything she
talks about makes so much sense and I want it all.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I got to go.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Make some appointments, but yeah, we should have her on
a lot.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Okay, love you guys.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah she was great, chanted, all the questions, all the medspot.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
She's an n piece so she knows a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, she definitely smots. Go check that out. And of
course Power of Recovery.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I love my time with Maddie and Jami and those
are my guys.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah yeah, very cool, very cool. And also when he
talked about her love.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Of Costco, Hi, Winnie and Justin, this is Cheryl. I'm
a longtime listener. I really enjoy the podcast, so thank you.
Quick note to Winnie. I was listening this morning in
the car and I heard you talk about hot.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Dogs from Costco.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Guess what you probably don't know this, but anybody is
allowed to go to the food court and get food
from Costco. Don't have to have them and your hot
dog and have a great day.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
No, not true.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
If they changed it, probably about a year or two ago.
Oh yeah, no, I'm sorry, I don't know. I forget
her name.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I don't want to like come at you, but you're wrong,
trust me. If that was the case, I wouldn't I
wouldn't eve talk about getting a Costco card.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I would just go get the food. You cannot. You cannot,
you cannot, Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
The only I think you can get there without a
Costco caar is liquor. Because they want to, they want
to get the booze hotails.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
They don't because the one fifty.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Those great food deals are for Costco card people, because
it's like you're paying into it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, getting a doll fifty.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Hot dog, you're not. How don't you have a Costco endorsement?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Well, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
All weekend I kept trying to convince my boyfriend for
us to go call. He said, we're not going to Costal.
I go, why can't we go to Costco? I'm like,
you're killing my Costco dream.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I don't even know where they're.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
There's like three me, there's Avon, there's dead Um, and
then I think there's Sharon's anyone.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
There's three within Like, I don't know. All I know
is that my.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Boyfriend has killing my cross room. He's like, we're not
a big family. You don't need like this part of
big families.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
There's one in Danvers, there's one in Everett, right down
the street.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's I buy like toy paper in bulk, I buy
well it's like, yeah, I buy plenty of ship. Well,
I don't buy a lot of perishables in bulk, but
I'll always need like toy paper or paper towel.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Or so maybe this weekend I'm going to convince him
to take me to Costco. It's hard. He's a hard
crack with that.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
The clothes man's a simple man.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
He really is, right, he's really simple.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
It's like good and annoying sometimes, okay, because I feel
like I want a hot dog.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Although I did get a hot dog. I went.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
We went to h Smart which is in Quinsy. It's
like an Asian market, but they have a food court
and they have.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Cong they have like you know those Asian are they
like Korean hot dogs?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I don't know that is those of the many hot dogs.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Like Korean corn dog like they have like oh all right,
I got a regular one that was just a regular corner.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He was good.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Did the cloth man make the typical like hot dog joke? No,
I have a hot talk for you.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No, he's so he's not. He's like no, no, no, he's
like give it some time.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
No, he's honestly, like he barely even cusses in front
of me. I'm shocked when he says fuck like he
never like, he's just such a gentleman.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You guys are like opposites.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We attract in the attract. I'm loud, he's reserved.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, you're definitely loud and very aggressive.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Okay, aggressive a little bit.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Sometimes you know what someone's got, although I will say
since being with the cloth Fan, the aggression has lessened.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm a lover girl, Okay, I just I've always been
a love girl.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I've ever been loved right right? Well, that's wow. Is
that a song lyric?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I know, but that's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I'm really into this. I can't we can't play the
song because we can't play music. We can't play music
that reminds me.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I'm good about to edit the second half of the podcast.
We didn't do any music in the nine in the
last hour, right, not that I can recall.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I don't believe so. But I'm really into this Frank
Ocean song from a few years ago. It's called wise Man.
Do you know this song? So check it out. It's
really good.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Frank Ocean is great, but he every he doesn't do.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Every does nothing. Yeah, he does nothing. So those are
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back tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Great.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So, yeah, we've been liter shit killing ourselves.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I know.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It reminds me of that time when it was just you,
me and Billy. We had like of like six weeks
where we like were just doing everything. Yeah, because I
love I mean like Riley does a lot of like
the little things that like we we know how to do.
It just is like time consuming for us.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Even even just now, I got an email from one
of the sales girls and she's justin, can you go
pull this audio? I literally just responded back, added Riley
to the email and goes, yep, Riley can help those
little things.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
That she little things like that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Not to take away what she does. She's great, but
it's things that it's like they're not hard. It's just
like I don't have time consuming.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Anyway, we're back with the new week for the after show.
Thank you for listening, thank you for joining if you did,
and we'll talk tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Bye.
All right when he throw on those headphones. Hi everybody,
Hi Winny.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hello.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
I hope you had a fantastic weekend, me or the
people everybody. But I'm looking at you right now in
my studio.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Which did have a weekend. I know you had a
good weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
I had a great weekend. I had a couple of
really good weekends. You have Shinedown concert and Fendway this weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Your son has had great weekends.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yeah, I know, he's only eight to I know this
is this is the beginning, not the beginning, but this
is I don't I've never done this with him, taken
him to this.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So much of it it fell that way.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
The Red Sox was planned for months. That was something
I had asked Billy for a long time ago. The
Shinedown happened on a whim. And you know, when the
lead singer of the band says, hey, get your personal invite,
then you go. But I know, I know, I think
it was you or someone said, you know, the next
show that you bring him to and you're in the
general audience, he's gonna be like, when are we going backstage? Yep, yep,
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yeah that's coming. So but yeah, we had a great weekend.
We went to Fenway. It was really great. He loves
the Dodgers. He loves sho heeo Tani, so that was
really cool. We had great seats. Shout out to Billy
on that and shout out to the cost of Boys
in general. Because Chris had texted me earlier in the
week about something else and then I didn't know that
he had a connection to do anything. I go. But
he's a baseball player fan, so I said, oh, I'm
(01:18):
going to the game. And then he said, oh, I'll
get you on field for batting practice.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
So that was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Ye, another park that your kid got.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Okay, don't hate on my side.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, I'm not. I think it's great.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I'm just saying you're going to have a skewed version
of reality if you don't be careful.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
I know. I try to educate him. This isn't how
it goes.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
No, I talked to him. I do, and he doesn't.
He doesn't fully get it, you know, he doesn't really
get it. Like he asked me this weekend if I
was a celebrity, and I'm like no, and he goes, Okay, well,
who's a celebrity. So then I started naming actual celebrities,
and I go, but you know, Billy cost is a celebrity,
which he is, you know, And I'm like, I'm not.
I'm just a dad.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
You're known.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm known a little bit, You're known a little bit.
But I went to Fenway Park and no one came
up to me and said, are you justin? I'm just
dad taking his kid to the game, right, That's all
I am. So anyway, what'd you do anything good to up? Note? Uh?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
What did we do? We went?
Speaker 1 (02:15):
Don't say you went out to dinner?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Okay, what did we do? Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:19):
No? Friday we stayed in, which is kind of nice.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Saturday we went to Providence.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You're a big Rhode Island person.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
I live there for like three months. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
That was That's a memory you don't want.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I don't want.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
I don't want to have.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
What do we do Saturday Day? I don't know? Just
random shit.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
We just had like a chill weekend. We were in
bed yesterday till like one o'clock.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, that's I missed those days.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
And then we like went back to bed till like three.
It was just like we I was like, we need
to get out of bed like we need to get
like we need to but you.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
Get up and watch TV, right, yeah, and then you
lay down and watch TV. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But then then we fell asleep.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
We felt like we got up at like seven or
eight yesterday and then we were like laying in bed
until one o'clock. We fell back to sleep. We were
doing whatever watching TV?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Were you being active?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Obviously?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Of course what were you watching?
Speaker 2 (03:16):
We watched that yesterday morning.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
We watched that documentary about the guy the dentist watch
it from Philly that murdered his wife in Zimbabe No,
in Zambia at National Park. I think it would be
the one that Billy went to because he wanted the
mistress the mission.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
So, I mean the theme was.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
This guy who was a narcissist and basically he was
making I mean, first of all, he shot his finger
off so that he could say he couldn't practice anymore
because he was a dentist. So he was getting thirty
thousand dollars a month in disability right not tax, and
then doing work at night.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
For cash right oh, under the table, under the table.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Then when his partners figured they were doing that, they
threatened him to leave. They're going to call the police
for embezzlement, opened up a practice cross street next week,
So then he's getting it on both sides.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Right. He has a mistress of like fifteen years.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
It was like a dental hygienis for him, and she's like,
I'm done, Like I don't want like I'm not your
side bitch anymore. But he didn't want to divorce his
first wife because he didn't want to split the money.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Did she know the hygienis that he killed his wife
or that he was planning.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
To well, she said that. They said she gave him
ultimatum to get rid of the wife, but like not
to leave her. Whoa who knows because then.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
They moved to Arizona, and an Arizona's bartender heard him say,
I killed my wife for.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
You, So she definitely knew.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So she knew.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
I don't know she knew before or after. So she's
in jail right now too.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Creep.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Yeah, so I sold Billy's going back to Africa in October,
so I'm better have his head in a swivel.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
Yeah. So I used to be really obsessed with the
crime shows, specifically, what do you call that investigation?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah, no, forensic files. Yes, yeah, and they'll have marathons
on still on. I'll watch it and every episode is
the same thing. It's that exact exact story.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Oh and I.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Started my boyfriend. He's never seen making a murderer, so
we started it.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yes, Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And he was like, you've already seen I go. It's
been like so long, I don't remember having it.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
So we're still in jail.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I know.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
It's not on episode four where it starts to get weird,
like is the nephew making shit up?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Like because at the first one he goes, this is
kind of slow.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I'm like, they have to set it up when that
he was falsely in prison first, but.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Then the real crime. I don't know. I still don't day.
I don't know what happened.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
I don't know either. I thought they were going to
get out and then they didn't. All I know is
the kid just loves WrestleMania.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
But do you think that when Stephen Avery had so
much to lose that point, because he was gonna be
going for that big loss.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Why would he murder that girl? It just doesn't it
doesn't add up in all of his time for not
violent before that.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I know, yes, he was accused of a violent crime
that he didn't do, but he was he the crimes
that he did immediately do were not violent.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah, I just feel bad for the uh the kid.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, he's specials.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
He's definitely on the spectator are putting. I mean, like,
tell us about that the shot in the head. Yeah,
we shot him in the head, like you know what
I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I seem that it could have been coerced. But then
I don't know, it's you don't know, it's like the
Karen Reid thing. It's like did she do it? And
then they're like no, there's no way she did it.
Then you're like, wait, maybe she didn't. She was drunk,
you know, And.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
I know, but like this, I'm like thinking, I'm like,
you're about to probably get millions of dollars and you're
gonna kill the photographer for the for the for the car.
And then how this it gave me car read flashbacks
about how the key was ever so placed in his
bedroom that no one saw it first and I was
just sitting there like and the cops said, yeah, I
didn't see the key at first. But then when the
(06:27):
two crooked cops that were an investigation for the first
false imprisonment found it there.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
It was me that was like, yeah, the show was huge.
It was twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
I believe it's crazy that it was so long ago.
I thought it was COVID. I don't know why.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
I thought it was no way before.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
But they they did a fallow up season at twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, did I watch that?
Speaker 2 (06:47):
I forget it's ten they're both ten episodes.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Yeah. I don't think he's ever going to get get out.
You might Steven Able not only.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Was he special needs, but he's definitely I mean he's
not all there.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
No, I mean their whole family, like the smart one.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
It's the dumbest person, like in a room like you, Like,
they're just not a bright family.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah. Imagine doing all that time then getting out and
going right back.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
God, I was reading actually about the Idaho college killer
and Coburger. Then yeah, man, he's going to the worst prison,
which rightly so he should be put to death, honestly.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
Like one again, random act of violence.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
You don't know these people like you, you know, just
you just stuck out a.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Apartment.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
That's just a psycho, right, And even during the witness
impact statements, when he was there, he just sat there
for fucking how long was it two hours or something?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Yeah, some of them were what was the good line?
I saw?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
If you weren't a pedal like you didn't attack them,
there sleep a pedophile phile kid would have kicked your
ass yep.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
And then then there was the one about you're gonna
get big d in prison.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Oh yeah, the mom, Yeah, you get some big dick
for president. Yeah. No, yeah, there was a lot. I
mean it was so gruesome, those poor children, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Think you know, they always say that, they always say that,
and he deserves everything, right, he deserves to get Yeah,
typically it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
You don't get rape like that. There's not a lot
of rape going on.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean there is, but not always.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
No does not rape, right, it's just you got.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh yeah, there's a lot of that going on, a lot.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Of like cho like a lot of guys that they're
gay for the day.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, they just horny, and you know what, they don't
have a woman. Woman. What's the one that you did
in jail at one time?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Eighteen months?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
How was that for you?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It was fine, but it wasn't state president. It was county.
So there was none of that going on. But even
even in state prison, like all my friends went to
state prison and they didn't really see it that much.
You didn't see it. But again, some of these prisons,
the one that Coburg is going to is vicious in.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The same state.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Sometimes they move them around. They don't always say.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Even federal they do federal that you move from state
to state, but in state they could, they could move
them around the state. There was a state crime. But yeah,
I don't know if that always happens, but that he
should be put to death. Honestly, well death the death
penalty thing. I am for it, but then I get
torn about it because then I think about people that
are innocent.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Well, I also think it's the easy way out.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
It is, but then they got to pay for him
to live for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
That's true too, but like it's like, oh, we're gonna
give him what, You're gonna kill him so he's have
the success, you know, feel the consequence of his actions.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
But some of these people live instead of getting the
death penalty, they get life in prison and they live
in Okay, lives, yeah, in prison. But Colburg is gonna
be put away for like twenty three hours a day.
They're not gonna be able to get Narro him. I
don't think.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah, he's not gonna be in general pop.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
No or high profile.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
You're bored and they've got TV or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Sometimes they do. Yeah, they have TVs in the cells. Yeah,
it sucks because when I went to the first time
I went to bill Rica House of Corrections, there were
huge riots in the nineties and they tore the place down.
So they used to have TVs like in the day room,
but when I got there, there were none. Please talk
about it all the time. I know it is tough. Anyway,
(10:07):
It's a brand new week on the after Show. If
you missed the after shows last week, we had a
really couple of really good episodes Maddie from Power of
Recovery and Dame or In and.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Nurse Fiona, Hi Justin and Winnie.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
It's Angela the Scientist. I just listened to the EPP
with Nurse Fiona and it was so good. I could
have listened to like another hour of her. Everything she
talks about makes so much sense and I want it all.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
I got to go.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Make some appointments, but yeah, we should have her on
a lot.
Speaker 5 (10:37):
Okay, love you guys.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Yeah she was great, chanted, all the questions, all the medspot.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
She's an n piece so she knows a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, she definitely smots. Go check that out. And of
course Power of Recovery.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
I love my time with Maddie and Jami and those
are my guys.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Yeah yeah, very cool, very cool. And also when he
talked about her love.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Of Costco, Hi, Winnie and Justin, this is Cheryl. I'm
a longtime listener. I really enjoy the podcast, so thank you.
Quick note to Winnie. I was listening this morning in
the car and I heard you talk about hot.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Dogs from Costco.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
Guess what you probably don't know this, but anybody is
allowed to go to the food court and get food
from Costco. Don't have to have them and your hot
dog and have a great day.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Thanks.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
No, not true.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
If they changed it, probably about a year or two ago.
Oh yeah, no, I'm sorry, I don't know. I forget
her name.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I don't want to like come at you, but you're wrong,
trust me. If that was the case, I wouldn't I
wouldn't eve talk about getting a Costco card.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
I would just go get the food. You cannot. You cannot,
you cannot, Okay.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
The only I think you can get there without a
Costco caar is liquor. Because they want to, they want
to get the booze hotails.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
They don't because the one fifty.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Those great food deals are for Costco card people, because
it's like you're paying into it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, getting a doll fifty.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Hot dog, you're not. How don't you have a Costco endorsement?
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Well, it's so funny.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
All weekend I kept trying to convince my boyfriend for
us to go call. He said, we're not going to Costal.
I go, why can't we go to Costco? I'm like,
you're killing my Costco dream.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I don't even know where they're.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
There's like three me, there's Avon, there's dead Um, and
then I think there's Sharon's anyone.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
There's three within Like, I don't know. All I know
is that my.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Boyfriend has killing my cross room. He's like, we're not
a big family. You don't need like this part of
big families.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
There's one in Danvers, there's one in Everett, right down
the street.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
It's I buy like toy paper in bulk, I buy
well it's like, yeah, I buy plenty of ship. Well,
I don't buy a lot of perishables in bulk, but
I'll always need like toy paper or paper towel.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Or so maybe this weekend I'm going to convince him
to take me to Costco. It's hard. He's a hard
crack with that.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
The clothes man's a simple man.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
He really is, right, he's really simple.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
It's like good and annoying sometimes, okay, because I feel
like I want a hot dog.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Although I did get a hot dog. I went.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
We went to h Smart which is in Quinsy. It's
like an Asian market, but they have a food court
and they have.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Cong they have like you know those Asian are they
like Korean hot dogs?
Speaker 1 (13:06):
I don't know that is those of the many hot dogs.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Like Korean corn dog like they have like oh all right,
I got a regular one that was just a regular corner.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
He was good.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Did the cloth man make the typical like hot dog joke? No,
I have a hot talk for you.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
No, he's so he's not. He's like no, no, no, he's
like give it some time.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
No, he's honestly, like he barely even cusses in front
of me. I'm shocked when he says fuck like he
never like, he's just such a gentleman.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
You guys are like opposites.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We attract in the attract. I'm loud, he's reserved.
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, you're definitely loud and very aggressive.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Okay, aggressive a little bit.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Sometimes you know what someone's got, although I will say
since being with the cloth Fan, the aggression has lessened.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
I'm a lover girl, Okay, I just I've always been
a love girl.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
I've ever been loved right right? Well, that's wow. Is
that a song lyric?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
I know, but that's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
I'm really into this. I can't we can't play the
song because we can't play music. We can't play music
that reminds me.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I'm good about to edit the second half of the podcast.
We didn't do any music in the nine in the
last hour, right, not that I can recall.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I don't believe so. But I'm really into this Frank
Ocean song from a few years ago. It's called wise Man.
Do you know this song? So check it out. It's
really good.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Frank Ocean is great, but he every he doesn't do.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
Every does nothing. Yeah, he does nothing. So those are
talkbacks that we played. You can leave us at talk
about you can join the show, join the conversation. We'll
play it back the next podcast, but you have to
be on the iHeart app. So listening to the appter
show on the iHeart app. Tap the microphone tomorrow. She's
back tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Great.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
So, yeah, we've been liter shit killing ourselves.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
I know.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
It reminds me of that time when it was just you,
me and Billy. We had like of like six weeks
where we like were just doing everything. Yeah, because I
love I mean like Riley does a lot of like
the little things that like we we know how to do.
It just is like time consuming for us.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Even even just now, I got an email from one
of the sales girls and she's justin, can you go
pull this audio? I literally just responded back, added Riley
to the email and goes, yep, Riley can help those
little things.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
That she little things like that.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Not to take away what she does. She's great, but
it's things that it's like they're not hard. It's just
like I don't have time consuming.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Anyway, we're back with the new week for the after show.
Thank you for listening, thank you for joining if you did,
and we'll talk tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Bye.
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