November 6, 2025 • 32 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, friends, welcome to the After Show podcast. It is Thursday.
Today is November sixth I'm justin welcome in. Thank you
to everybody who's been reaching out. Not yet McCabe.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Deserve an applause. Thank you for you.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I was going to give you a big intro, but
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
McCabe is here a highly requested guest.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Is that true people want me?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm not making that up. I know.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I know Lynn, our listener, Lynn is messaging me.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yes, but several other people because I've been doing this
kind kind of new thing where you know, sometimes I
talk myself.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I know I listened almost every day.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Really, Yes, you're my fucking hero.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, but thank you everybody who's been leaving talkbacks. Give
me some feedback. I'm really having fun with this. You know,
it's been a transition and everything, but I'm having fun.
I love doing it and I love hearing from all
of you.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
McCabe. We did have Santy on earlier this week.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Oh I did not hear that.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You got to listen to that one. That one's really
good because you know he's a little weird.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Go back, we go way back. Very hired me.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Is that true. Have to listen.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
He hired it. I tell the whole story.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Justin I just wanted to call and say that you've
been doing an amazing job with the After Show. All
of your special guests have been amazing. I don't know
how you did it, but you actually made Santi seem normal.
He's a little strange on the jam and show, but
(01:21):
it was good to see that side of him. Keep
up the good work. You are awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Thank you, you are too. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I like that Santi's brand is odd.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
He is an odd fellow, but in real life. He mean,
he's the same off and on air, but he's actually
a really, really smart I was gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Say he's like the most remarkably normal person who works here. Yeah,
and that's a compliment, yeah, because there's not a lot
of normal people who work in this building.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
A lot of it goes back to his character from
years ago, the crazy Kulo. He was the stunt guy. Yeah,
he to do the crazy stuff. So yeah, and then
yesterday we had producer Riley was on.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh she's back. I heard her first one. She did great.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
She came back again because a talkbacker wanted some behind
the scenes and what it takes to produce a morning show.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So I had her love the.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Pause with Riley. Also, I'm laughing at you calling yourself
a grandpa, and she says, you just kidded.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Life lessons when.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
She's with you, and it's just funny how you went
from living on the streets a drug addict to handing
out life lessons. Look at you.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Justin That is fascinating how that happens. Yeah, when Riley, Well, Riley,
we drive together two events.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Know you're going to say to work, No, I know
you live close. How let you do that?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I come in earlier. Oh that's right, I get it
in there out four, So I leave my house at
three twenty.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
That would be weird too. Write every day for forty
five minutes. Yeah, you see her for a whole work day,
that would be a little weird. I could do it, though.
I had an uber driver the other day who we
were going to a show. I got an uber from
my house a ten minute Uber wasted money, but I
don't know how. But we got talking about commutes and
stuff and he was like, yeah, I used to work
in Medford and the commute was really crazy. Back in
(03:00):
the day. I was like, Oh, I work at Medford
and it's not that bad now. And he lived in Boston.
I live in Boston and I was like, he kept talking,
He's like, yeah, I worked at one Cabot Road.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
That's where we are.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I was like, where did you work? And he worked
at some office here and I was telling me he
worked on the South Shore and he would carpool with
people every day from work. I'm like, I could never
do that. I love. I don't think I could be
in a car with you for an hour and then
be in the workplace for eight hours a day. Yeah,
that's marriage.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, the drive to work time is my quiet time.
It's my meditation. I do have WBZ on just for
the news. Yeah, I listened on the way in. But
I like the quiet time. But when I'm with Riley
in the car and I pick her up, you know,
she asked questions about life, about the career, her career,
and we talk and yeah, she sees me as this
like father figure, which makes me feel old.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
But Taylor Swift song on the album.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I almost made that connection yesterday during the podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I don't know what the song's about, so I don't
know if we want to make that because she was
very big suggestive on that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yes, she was. Well, it was a play on George
Michael's side, which I do like that song.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I'd like it the original, yeah, obviously an original song. Yeah,
but everyone, every gay person was excited because they were like, oh,
she's gonna actually like remake that song or something. It
was a bit of a letter nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I know.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I know what you mean. I thought the same thing.
But thank you for coming in, McCabe.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So many things I want to ask you about. Okay,
we'll start it. The first one. Can we talk about
where you were born? Yeah, we could talk about that.
You're adopted.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I was.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You know what would be really funny. It's like if
we did a contest to guess where I was born,
because nobody would get it. So now, if you're listening
to this right now, yes, I want you to write
down your guests or like, DM it to us. No,
talk back, talk back it. That's right on it. Talk
back mafia it to us right now, and then when
we reveal it in two minutes. Okay, see if you
got it right? Okay, No, they can't do that. It's
(04:56):
pre recorded. Yeah, I know, but it's just listening throughout
the thing. I can hear people.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Oh, they can play along. Yeah, okay, so we're not
going to run the show.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Okay, So you were born in another country, that's right,
And can we say how old you are?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, I'm twenty nine, twenty.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Nine okay, so twenty nine years. Hold on, I'm good
at math. Hold on, it's twenty five to twenty five,
nineteen ninety six. Whoa, that's when you were born.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, so you're born in this other country, different country, yes,
and you were in an orphanage.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I was literally an orphanage, no idea. Wait. The story
is that my parents were very young, like high school
age kids, from a very prominent family in this city.
It's not a big city in this country that's not America,
but sizable, and the parents made the girl get rid
(05:47):
of me and they didn't want to wow, but parents
made her prominent family though. Yeah, so I could be
an air. I could be an air to something. You
could be an air to the country i'm from. I
don't know if I want to be an air. I
was going to make that joke, And the funniest part
of that is that like I was born there. I
(06:08):
was there as a one year old, and there's like
horrible orphanage where they like fed as potatoes in the
water that the potatoes were boiled in. It's not funny,
like it was really Is that what your parents told you?
It's yes, I've seen video of it. There's a video.
I have a video. It's crazy, no way, yeah, like
run down, like typical movie orphanage. And I was only
(06:29):
there for a year, but was like like on my
deathbed as a one year old because so malnourished. And
my mom literally went from Connecticut where we were, where
she's from, to the country which is.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Very Fause so your parents are married and they want
to have a child, they want to get a child,
adopt a child, why do they choose that country?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I think it was cheapest at the time. If you can,
there's a lot of people my age who came from
this country at the time. So if you are around
in nineteen ninety six, in that you might you might
be able to know who it is. I will also
say that in the Obama era, a sanction on this
country was no more adoptions from it.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Oh he shut it down. Yeah, so I'm a I'm
a unicorn. That's can't get me anymore. So there's not
even to this day, to this day, the sanctions are
still I'm sure. Wow, Okay, you can't get a kid
from there, So your parents go to this country. They
go to They Now the internet really wasn't popular then,
so they have to fly and pick you like a
like a dog.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
They they did like video service. They would send videos
and like papers and photos, and so they saw she
went over one one time and did like a tour.
She was picking between two. Oh, isn't that crazy? Yeah,
so I could have had a brother in air quotes,
But what do you mean she could have adopted to
(07:55):
take two? Oh, she wanted to adopt to but you
know that costs money to adopt a kid in a
lot of money, even the cheap adoptions, right, So it
wasn't in the budget.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So she picked you.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I'm just why wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'm picturing a baby McCabe, a little a little baby.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Mcad thing, little ball of me.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, so she they adopt you. They bring you to Connecticut,
that's right. Yeah, And where'd you grow up?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Not in Connecticut, No, New York, Yeah, an upstate New
York up nowhere.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, what's the name of the town.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
If you know where Binghamton is, it's to the left
of the a little bit like thirty miles to the left.
And by left I mean west Okay country, New York,
middle of now middle south of New York. Yeah, just
crazy like okay, West Virginia feeling.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Isn't it where Maddie in the Morning grew up to
kind of I went to college, I should say, yeah,
he went to college.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I think in Oneana, Yeah, which is true, middle of nowhere.
I'm a little closer to Pa but yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Okay, so growing up with your parents, now, your parents
adopted you at an older age.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Were like my dad was like fifty something because he's
in his eighties now.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, So at what age do they tell you that
you're adopted.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
From the start? That's the thing I know. I couldn't
imagine it any other way. Like I've known from day one,
and I've always been fine with it because I'm lucky
in that my parents. I don't really see the other
people as parents because I didn't know them like they
are biologically my parents. The people in that other country.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You're not going searching for that I'm not going searching.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I have you do the test, right, No, no, no, no,
I don't want to know anything. Okay, and it's probably
bad because I should know things for my health, but
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I don't know genetic things, heart problems, things like that.
I get you, okay. So you know you're adopted, You
grow up in New York, you had a good childhood.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Great amazing parents. That's I mean, that's part of the
reason why I'm very happy with them. They're they're the best.
They supported me and through all of it.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And so now they're up there in age right.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, so I go back there every couple weeks help
them out. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So I should mention a lot of times when Billy
plugs the mccabes coming up next, we'll say here and
you're not here. That's a lot of times you are
up in New York with your parents. You know, the
health things going on, and you're there.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
You're the air exactly, you're their the heir to the
family whatever that means.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Are they on a farm. No, no farm.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
They're in the middle of nowhere, but no farm.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Okay, So let's fast forward now because this is so cool.
So you get into radio as a young kid. You
love radio, Yeah, is that true?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Tiny little thing? Yeah, you loved it, So I know
how it happened. There was a an online radio show.
Do you remember aol To dial up internet service? We
have that growing up, and my parents got the kids
version of it. They paid the extra like six ninety
nine a month for it. And on the home page
of kol kids online there's a radio show. This wacky
(10:52):
British guy named Brick Adams, who I still mildly connected to,
would host this two hour radio show after school and
there's a camera in the studio. I thought that was
so fucking cool, like him hitting the buttons and shit,
and I was like, I got to do that. I
was literally like nine years old, so I like, I
would like set up a fake studio in my room.
And then eventually there were these there's a chat room
(11:16):
like on the stream, and I connected with a bunch
of them and we started doing like online radio. And
then I'd call the local night show and in my
market every day annoy them.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, you used to call the radio station and say
you wanted a job, and then eventually they gave you
a job.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Right, Eventually I got both of the pop stations in
my hometown to be like, yeah, we want to hire you,
but you're eleven years old. Oh my god, not eleven.
I'm exaggerating, but no, I'd so to fast forward a
tiny bit. The first job I got I interviewed for
I think when I was fifteen, I couldn't work yet.
(11:51):
I had to like wait a year, it'd be sixteen
to worry. Yeah, to get my real like working papers.
You could do farm work if you were fourteen, and
you can risk your life, yeah, exactly, like a radio station.
And my mom not only brought me, drove me to
the interview with the GM and the OM of the market,
but the GM made her sit in on the inter Well.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You were a minor, yeah yeah, And the.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Whole thing was like at the end of the year,
you can you can do this because you're going to
be old enough. But the GM was this old marine,
scary guy from Arkansas. He could always scream all the time.
He was the best. Sometimes is transition so old there
it is? Yeah, yeah, he doesn't work there anymore. But
he like looked me and my mother in the eye
(12:39):
and said if her grade gold down one little but
out of here, that's what he sounded.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Oh wow, okay, so they hired you to do what.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
My first job was running the NASCAR races on the
classic rock station on the board. Yes, so the the
Motor Racing Network would say we're going to break for
top of hour and then I would hit the button
and they would say we're me go to commercials and
I would hit the button.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I did that for like six hours a day. If
there was like a rain delay or some shit, it'd
be longer. And this is why I love my parents
to death and I'll do anything for them. I still
couldn't drive when I started because I couldn't. I didn't
have a license. Yeah, my dad wouldn't drive me to
the job and then sit there with me.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
He would.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, he'd sit there in the Classic Rock.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Sport studio supportive parents.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's insane. Yeah, well paid NASCAR, like all loved NASCAR fans,
but it's so boring on the radio's listening to.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
That, Oh my god. But out there it was huge because.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
We had Watkins Glen like it's a massive like it's
one of the big race tracks.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Okay, I heard of this a road track.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
It's the only road track I think so racing fans
love it.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
How much were you being paid? Do you remember? Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It was state minimum wage as it still isn't most
radio stations for that job. Yeah, so what it was like,
I want to say six twenty five? Yeah, maybe seven
to twenty five maybe seven, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That makes it.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And that was the case through most of my career,
and like came to iHeart actually like everything was.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, I had a thought when you were talking about
the AOL. I had never heard of KOL. We had
AOL when I was a kid, teenager, and my parents
probably should have had that because I was dialing up
and going on the internet and downloading.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Porn and I mean I was doing that too, to
be very clear. Yeah, you could just go to Internet
Explorer and go to Google bu yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And then infect your your parents' computer was exactly. It
was spyware and all that stuff. Okay, okay. So then
you go to college, you do radio and college where
do you go to college?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I went to Elmira College. It was I took I
did radio all throughout the last couple of years, all
through high school and at the end of my senior year,
the night guy on the Pop station got another dui.
It was like the last straw.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And then they called me during the school play. I
was running and they said, how fast can you be
at the radio station. I said, I'll be right there,
and then I started doing nights about like the last
few months of my senior year of high school. I
was going to college in Princeton, New Jersey. Not at Princeton.
There's a college called Rider that I was going to,
and I.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Can't have a lot. Do you able to just not
give that correction?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I went to Princeton in Princeton, Yeah, but I canceled
that and went to the school that was just in
the in my hometown.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Do you have any of this audio of you calling
in as a kid?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I have a whole entire audio file, serious, every single
point in my life.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Will you bring that back when you come on the
after show so people can hear it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I've never played it for anyone, really, Yeah, it's really
it's also like fifteen minutes long. I've been doing this
for a while now.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, but I mean just a little bit of a sample.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, yeah, it'd be really funny to reveal that at
some point.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Okay, and when are you going to reveal the country
that you were born in?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
You want to do it now?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Because I have like a joke, you know, I know, yeah,
I have a joke lined up for when you said
where it was.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I was thinking about it last night. I have a joke.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeh. Well, here's the big reveal.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I was born in Russia.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Born in Russia, and if you weren't adopted by your
lovely parents, you could be in Ukraine fighting right now.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
That's not a joke. That's true.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I know, well I shouldn't have said joke, but that's
a true statement.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yes, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of things that I
would probably be experiencing that are bad.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Listen to a podcast recently and this guy was explaining
the difference between American military and other countries like Russia
and North Korea and China. And one advantage, if you
will use that word, that they have is the control,
the mind control over their people in their military. For example,
(16:40):
when Russia invaded Ukraine, Okay, there was a pilot, now,
very educated man, well educated pilot, and they told him
that he was going to fly into Ukraine and when
he got there, the Ukrainians were going to be ready
to go, and they were going to surrender because they
were going to be happy that Russia was coming in
and taking over. And so this, yeah, he's no idea.
(17:01):
So this pilot, he's excited to do this, excited. You
know what he brought with him. He packed his bag
to go. He brought fifty condoms because he had it
in his mind that there would be at least fifty
Ukrainian women that will be so.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Happyful and thankful.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Wow. Yes, I'm throwing myself at you think us.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yes, And so then he got there and obviously it's
been a different story. I mean, how long has the
war been going on forever? Yes, point, So that could
have been you, not the pilot, but somebody that.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I think I would be a pilot. I think it'd
be great, that'd be sick. You have literally take over
for Romeo again.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Oh, Romeo used to work on Kiss Now Jeff Blue
pilot pilot. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
But I'm sure because I I'm doing it and I'm
not you, I'm sure you have thought.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
About the what ifs? Oh yeah, all the time, Like
what would you be doing?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Even know, I imagine, like I think everything is in
life is kind of half fate based and half you
know your your willpower and you control it. So I
kind of imagine I would maybe be in media. I'm
kind because I can't shut up and I just love music.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You're very smart. We call you the doogie howser of radio.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I guess I am. But so I imagine maybe i'd
be like on a state propaganda show.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
You okay, okay, with Glad. You were Glad.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I joke that I kind of look like him, like
a little mildly like pudgier version of him.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Hey, I could, Well, he has a shaved head, so
it's hard to picture, but I could see that.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Back okay, back to the radio. Just to fast forward here.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
You get through college, you start working in radio, you
work your way up from on air to off air
program director.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
You, I know, you have several stops all you really
have literally.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
All Like I was in Elmira back then, I was
even like the cluster engineer.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
So from my point of view, when I met McCabe,
you were working. You became the program director of New
Hampshire Portsmouth.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
See when I was seven, it's it's still on. I
actually still work with the station.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You do.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, well, you work like a national level.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
How many stations do you work with nationally?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh? Work with like all of the pop stations. Yeah,
in some way fifty. Oh, there's like eighty five pop
stations or more. There might be a one hundred or so.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So mcay's a big deal, not just hair a Kiss,
but also nationally. He's doing all this other things. But
when I first met you, Dylan, our boss is your boss?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
You work with Dylan.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
He said to me, there's this kid coming in that
is going to replace me one day. He said something
like that, And I go, can we tell him that?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Now? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I know what?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
When?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
When's what? What? One day?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah? And so he didn't say kid.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I think because I thought you were a man, not
that you are not a man, but I thought you
were ill you.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Were started there at like maybe I think twenty one.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Okay, maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
So here's this guy coming in that's gonna replace Dylan,
supposed to be this brilliant radio mind.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And there's this little dwee maybe you walk in And
I remember I said to I don't know who it was.
I go, what is is this a joke? Like? Who
is this is a.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Very different person? Back then too, like I was still
finding myself.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, every way, yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Every single way. Yeah, my favorite. I remember it every day.
I think Whennie said it on this podcast. The first
time I met her was at a jingle Ball, like
maybe twenty seventeen or eighteen, and she she was always
saying to me. I turned to Justin, I was like,
who the fuck is this little nerd?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, and I was like, I think she'd gave the.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Pictures from that from that jingle Ball and I'm like,
who the fuck was that little nerse?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I know, I know, so funny. So then you
were then you got promoted to Baltimore. Yeah, right, you
were program directed and I went down and ran our
pop station there and then they fired you.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Then they fired on election Day twenty twenty, twenty twenty. Yeah.
I was at a cabin in the woods. Every year
I try to do like a disconnect trip, and I
would always do it November when I was down there,
because it was nice, like you'd go out in the
woods and hike and disconnect for a while by yourself,
by myself. Psychopath, I know, but you should try it,
(20:54):
not so much.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Do you bring your phone? Yes? You bring your phone, yes,
just in case a bear attacks exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, but uh yeah, I got I got laid off
during COVID most people did. But yeah, that happened, and
I went away and I like, wut off my phone?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
What did you do? Like how long before they hired
you back?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It was like a day.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I was like, oh, was that quick?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, they called me like I think it was later,
maybe later in the day that they laid me off
that they were like, hey, we actually have something we
want to offer you again. And initially I was actually like,
I don't want to do that. And that's when I
basically was like, I don't want to do that job.
I'm going to go disconnect in the woods. It's election day.
I'm it's highly stressed already. Yeah, And so I disconnected,
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I like almost disconnected my phone, and everybody was blowing
me up, like saying to come back. So eventually we
worked something out and I came back at that this
this national job I have, which was really different back then,
and part of it was I could live anywhere, and
obviously I'm getting the fuck out of Baltimore. Everything you
hear about that city is true.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
By the way, do you ever watch The Wire?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
One of my favorite show.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's not for me.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
He never went down to the projects from the show
I have, Yes, the board of up houses.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's real, it's scary, it's really odd, but it's odd
because there's parts of that city that are actually really nice.
The neighborhood I lived in is actually still one of
my favorite neighborhoods I've lived in. I think it's Federal
Hill if anyone wants to google it. But yeah, everything
in that show is real.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So so like even the layft that just happened here,
you know it happens every year, right, not just here everywhere.
But when that happens, you know what that even though
you're back, you know what that feeling is like.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, you never see it coming.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah, it's crazy. So the
high you back on National and then what what year
did you come back to here to kiss twenty twenty two?
It was three years last month, and so they sent
you back here. Correct me if I'm wrong to assist Dylan.
Dylan is the program director, but he also does a
lot of national things too.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
He's a really big deal in our company.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, he oversees the entire pot format. That's crazy, like
everything that happens on any of the stations goes through him.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
A statement was made to me once a while. I'll
never forget it, and I want you to confirm or
deny if this is true. They said to me that Dylan,
in his position, he makes decisions on music and what
music goes on and when music comes off, that he
could potentially make a decision on a song that could
potentially move it up and up or down.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
The music charts.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, that's definitely, that's true. It's like just it's an
influenced thing. Yeah, for sure. I mean that's kind of
that's like Dylan for sure, But it's also a Kiss
one oh eight thing. Like this is one of the
biggest radio stations out there. The amount of people who
look at what we do and then and not copy it,
but like they know, we put a lot of research
and a lot of thought, and every little decision on
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this radio station has been thought out. Every tiny little
thing you hear has been thought out. So people will
look at Kiss one oh eight and see what we do,
and they look at like Z one hundred and New
York and Kiss in LA and Kiss in Chicago, and
they'll do things on their own station based on that.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
We set the standard exactly essentially, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Dylan does oversee every pop station. So yeah, in theory,
he could be like, you have to do this, but
he's not doing that. Nobody's doing that, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, so you so you do your national stuff, but
then you also assist him here. So basically I say,
m cave's my boss. He goes, no, I'm not. Essentially
you are in a way because I go to you
for all my kiss stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's like less of a boss. It's more of a
like just we get the shit done, yeah kind of
aspect of it. Yeah, and I'm just like the doer. Yeah,
that's really it.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
So before we run out of time, because Billy's going
to be knocking on my door on a second. What
I love about you is a couple of things. I
love your personality. You're very cheerful. Plus you're very Yeah,
you're just a nice dude. You're a good person. I'm
drawn to good people, right, you too. Yes, I spent
a lot of years with bad people. I cherish the
good ones. You're one of the good ones. That's one.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Number two.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I love that you go to so many shows, and
not just that We've talked about this on the show,
but you live your dream.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, right, like I live my dream and you live
your dream. You love music, you love radio, you love entertainment,
you love all that stuff and you get to do
it every single day and you own it. Oh yeah,
how many shows last year?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Oh? Hundreds? I actually I have a spreadsheet because I'm
a genuine psychopath. I love data, and I just updated
it on my way home the other day. I think
I'm getting up to six hundred total artists, shows, performances
seen in your life, in my life of twenty nine years,
do you count doubles? Yeah, okay, that's like total if
(25:34):
somebody had sang in front of me, an artist saying
for me, I'm writing it down.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah. And it's so funny you go to the biggest shows,
but then you also go to these shows that I'm like,
where the fuck is mccae.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Here's the thing, Like, Boston's really underrated music city right now.
I think it, like, based on my knowledge of it,
is it used to be a massive music town, like
a rock city. So many big rock stations and a
huge pop sty city with Kiss one O eight like
setting the standard for a lot of these big hits
back in the day. But there are so many colleges
(26:08):
here that, especially on the indie, alternative and pop scenes,
You've got a lot of like in touch, young kids
listening to what's next in music. And I live in
the South End with like very close to Berkeley, and
obviously everyone there is a young music head. They have
(26:29):
they have their own venue that I'll walk into sometimes
at Berkeley. Yeah, and my favorite part is Berkeley has
these little pop up shows in their cafeteria in one
of the dorms, And sometimes I'll be like walking back
from Fenway and I'll see a crowd and I'll ask, like,
what's happening here, and they'll be like, oh, it's just
a calf show is what they call them, a show
in the cafeteria, and I'll literally like sneak in and
(26:51):
see and they're unreal, it's.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Crazy, or girl like it'll be seconds bands, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Us love all of it. And you know why I
do all this ship, especially the big shows and the
medium shows that we do thankfully get access to, is
because you never know what it's going to go away.
Like I say yes to everything because I never know tomorrow.
Who knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
That's true. Live it up. You are the definition of
living it up.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah, and also you also the other thing is that
your parents are in New York and you're here. You
don't have any other family here. You know, kids, thankfully, thankfully.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I don't know how you do that everyone with the
kids and all that.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
It's a lot. It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
When you're wondering why you don't see me out of
events that much. It's the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
When we get you out to a show, we have
to shine Down. That's the only show we ever been.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
To that was great. I know what's another show that
we can go to.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'll go to whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Really, I'm trying to go well, trying to go to
the Ray Kwan mob deep show.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I don't want to do.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Like Baltimore all over again.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Okay, before we go, I want to end with a
hot take from you, if you will indulge in me. Okay,
the hot take from a cave is that because I
want you to explain this very quickly.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I'm going to tell you the Taylor Swift album, the
new one. Oh, I don't think it's a hot take. Okay,
you're not a fan.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
No, I think it's fine.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
You think it's fine.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, I don't. I don't it didn't.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Care about it, Okay, you don't hate it. But it
came in below your expectations.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Is that remarkably below?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Okay, that's what I want you to producer.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Riley and I talk about all the time. She's a
number one Swifty. She mildly agrees, but she hype. She
being Taylor hyped this album up so much. I like Taylor.
I listened to the albums. I enjoy her. I'm never
like buying all the way into all the shit she does,
but I did for this album because I have a
lot of people in my life who are passionate about her.
I'm like, I'm gonna be there and listen and get involved.
(28:48):
I listened to that podcast she did with Travis and
the other guy, Jason Kelsey, and it made me so
hype for the album. I was so pumped. She was like,
this is gonna be reputation bangers. In nineteen eighty nine,
shell Back in Max mart Max Mart like, you can't
make a bad album with those people, And then she
made an album that was not bangers. Right, there's one
(29:10):
maybe banger on it. We played on Kiss I Fit
is good opal Lite, you know, like op Open Light
is Me Part two. It's so corny. Then she is
the queen of corn in every era she's had in
a good way. This one is like it was like
somebody gave her the Internet for the first time, like
(29:30):
girl Boss too Close to the Sun, who says that, like,
what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I mean that does come off as corny. But see
this is a hot take because I listened to the
album and I'm like, well, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It may it is a hot take, I guess in
our kiss when to Wait community. But there's a lot
of people who don't like it really or who find
it mid even my my friend. I got dinner with
a friend last night who's a number one swifty and
he ranked it in the middle.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, it's not that it's not that it's a bad album,
it's just it's not what she hyped it out exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And that's why I think I got annoyed about it, Okay,
because I was expecting nineteen eighty nine in reputation.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
See it from my point of view, like Folklore, I'm
not listen. I'm not a big Taylor Swift fan, but
I listen to all music, right, yeah, and Taylor's was
obviously a flagship artist here a Kiss, so I space
special attention to her.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
But Folklore when that came out, I was.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Like, yeah, I didn't get it the first I didn't
do it for years probably, yeah, until people were like,
you have to actually just like let your like expectations
down on her. That's the thing I always get. I
always forgets. I have expectations of artists, like I didn't
like the last Beyonce era because my expectation of her
is crazy in love with the country album. Yeah, we'll
never get that again.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
No, you know, no.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Now and listen, I say this all the time about music,
and I'm sure you can agree with this. There's not
so much timeless music as there once was.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, right, it's really interesting new music.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Friday comes a bunch of new songs. Some stick around,
most don't.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, you know right now, it's a it's a what's
the word, It's like mass, it's masses, like you put
out a ship ton of music every week and hope
one sticks.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
It's not you do one thing, yeah, and you put
that one thing out. You know, it's all about numbers.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Now, it's a different game, different game.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
It's hard. I would not want to be any person
actively working.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, but then you have like your sombers, like Sombers
on the Rise. He's got a good couple of good songs.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You know, knows how many sombers are not with a
major label, who never get heard by a major label,
And are you know, stuck in the streaming ethos which
does There's a million songs like every week that come
out on the on the streaming platforms. There's so many,
and it's getting higher and higher. With AI, I could
do a whole week's worth of episod.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Well you know what, you come back? Can you?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Will you come back with your old recordings for the
A have to show army. Yeah, it'll be fun to look,
all right, pull them up. Well, we'll get those on
for you. But thank you, McCabe.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, we learned a lot. Get paid for this, you
know you.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Do not get paid for this.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
But if you want to leave a talk back and
give her a response to this podcast or any questions
you have from a cabe. You can do that on
the iHeart app only. You can stream this podcast on
several different streaming platforms, but the iHeartRadio app is the
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the easiest one to listen to, the easiest one. Leave
a talk back, let us know. And tomorrow I'm gonna
have another surprise. Yes, I'm not gonna say yeah, I'm
(32:20):
not gonna.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Say hell yet.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Is that person? That person's on the show tomorrow too,
right for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
They're gonna be on the show tomorrow because this some
thing's happening. Nothing bad, but you know, there's gonna be
some whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Lisa is going on vacation.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
This is going on vacation.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
We can say that, we can say that. I said, okay,
so you don't create so you're not creating mass pandemonium?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Or should I just say it then? No?
Speaker 6 (32:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay, all right, yeah tomorrow special guests, make sure you
tune in. Bye McCabe, Bye,
Okay, friends, welcome to the After Show podcast. It is Thursday.
Today is November sixth I'm justin welcome in. Thank you
to everybody who's been reaching out. Not yet McCabe.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Deserve an applause. Thank you for you.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I was going to give you a big intro, but
it's okay.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
McCabe is here a highly requested guest.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Is that true people want me?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I'm not making that up. I know.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I know Lynn, our listener, Lynn is messaging me.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Yes, but several other people because I've been doing this
kind kind of new thing where you know, sometimes I
talk myself.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I know I listened almost every day.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Really, Yes, you're my fucking hero.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Yeah, but thank you everybody who's been leaving talkbacks. Give
me some feedback. I'm really having fun with this. You know,
it's been a transition and everything, but I'm having fun.
I love doing it and I love hearing from all
of you.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
McCabe. We did have Santy on earlier this week.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Oh I did not hear that.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
You got to listen to that one. That one's really
good because you know he's a little weird.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Go back, we go way back. Very hired me.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Is that true. Have to listen.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
He hired it. I tell the whole story.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Justin I just wanted to call and say that you've
been doing an amazing job with the After Show. All
of your special guests have been amazing. I don't know
how you did it, but you actually made Santi seem normal.
He's a little strange on the jam and show, but
(01:21):
it was good to see that side of him. Keep
up the good work. You are awesome.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Thank you, you are too. Thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I like that Santi's brand is odd.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
He is an odd fellow, but in real life. He mean,
he's the same off and on air, but he's actually
a really, really smart I was gonna.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Say he's like the most remarkably normal person who works here. Yeah,
and that's a compliment, yeah, because there's not a lot
of normal people who work in this building.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
A lot of it goes back to his character from
years ago, the crazy Kulo. He was the stunt guy. Yeah,
he to do the crazy stuff. So yeah, and then
yesterday we had producer Riley was on.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Oh she's back. I heard her first one. She did great.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
She came back again because a talkbacker wanted some behind
the scenes and what it takes to produce a morning show.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
It's a lot.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
So I had her love the.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Pause with Riley. Also, I'm laughing at you calling yourself
a grandpa, and she says, you just kidded.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
Life lessons when.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
She's with you, and it's just funny how you went
from living on the streets a drug addict to handing
out life lessons. Look at you.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Justin That is fascinating how that happens. Yeah, when Riley, Well, Riley,
we drive together two events.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
Know you're going to say to work, No, I know
you live close. How let you do that?
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I come in earlier. Oh that's right, I get it
in there out four, So I leave my house at
three twenty.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
That would be weird too. Write every day for forty
five minutes. Yeah, you see her for a whole work day,
that would be a little weird. I could do it, though.
I had an uber driver the other day who we
were going to a show. I got an uber from
my house a ten minute Uber wasted money, but I
don't know how. But we got talking about commutes and
stuff and he was like, yeah, I used to work
in Medford and the commute was really crazy. Back in
(03:00):
the day. I was like, Oh, I work at Medford
and it's not that bad now. And he lived in Boston.
I live in Boston and I was like, he kept talking,
He's like, yeah, I worked at one Cabot Road.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
That's where we are.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I was like, where did you work? And he worked
at some office here and I was telling me he
worked on the South Shore and he would carpool with
people every day from work. I'm like, I could never
do that. I love. I don't think I could be
in a car with you for an hour and then
be in the workplace for eight hours a day. Yeah,
that's marriage.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Well, the drive to work time is my quiet time.
It's my meditation. I do have WBZ on just for
the news. Yeah, I listened on the way in. But
I like the quiet time. But when I'm with Riley
in the car and I pick her up, you know,
she asked questions about life, about the career, her career,
and we talk and yeah, she sees me as this
like father figure, which makes me feel old.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
But Taylor Swift song on the album.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
I almost made that connection yesterday during the podcast.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I don't know what the song's about, so I don't
know if we want to make that because she was
very big suggestive on that.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yes, she was. Well, it was a play on George
Michael's side, which I do like that song.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I'd like it the original, yeah, obviously an original song. Yeah,
but everyone, every gay person was excited because they were like, oh,
she's gonna actually like remake that song or something. It
was a bit of a letter nothing.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
I know.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
I know what you mean. I thought the same thing.
But thank you for coming in, McCabe.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So many things I want to ask you about. Okay,
we'll start it. The first one. Can we talk about
where you were born? Yeah, we could talk about that.
You're adopted.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I was.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You know what would be really funny. It's like if
we did a contest to guess where I was born,
because nobody would get it. So now, if you're listening
to this right now, yes, I want you to write
down your guests or like, DM it to us. No,
talk back, talk back it. That's right on it. Talk
back mafia it to us right now, and then when
we reveal it in two minutes. Okay, see if you
got it right? Okay, No, they can't do that. It's
(04:56):
pre recorded. Yeah, I know, but it's just listening throughout
the thing. I can hear people.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Oh, they can play along. Yeah, okay, so we're not
going to run the show.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
Okay, So you were born in another country, that's right,
And can we say how old you are?
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Yes, I'm twenty nine, twenty.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Nine okay, so twenty nine years. Hold on, I'm good
at math. Hold on, it's twenty five to twenty five,
nineteen ninety six. Whoa, that's when you were born.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Yeah, so you're born in this other country, different country, yes,
and you were in an orphanage.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
I was literally an orphanage, no idea. Wait. The story
is that my parents were very young, like high school
age kids, from a very prominent family in this city.
It's not a big city in this country that's not America,
but sizable, and the parents made the girl get rid
(05:47):
of me and they didn't want to wow, but parents
made her prominent family though. Yeah, so I could be
an air. I could be an air to something. You
could be an air to the country i'm from. I
don't know if I want to be an air. I
was going to make that joke, And the funniest part
of that is that like I was born there. I
(06:08):
was there as a one year old, and there's like
horrible orphanage where they like fed as potatoes in the
water that the potatoes were boiled in. It's not funny,
like it was really Is that what your parents told you?
It's yes, I've seen video of it. There's a video.
I have a video. It's crazy, no way, yeah, like
run down, like typical movie orphanage. And I was only
(06:29):
there for a year, but was like like on my
deathbed as a one year old because so malnourished. And
my mom literally went from Connecticut where we were, where
she's from, to the country which is.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Very Fause so your parents are married and they want
to have a child, they want to get a child,
adopt a child, why do they choose that country?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
I think it was cheapest at the time. If you can,
there's a lot of people my age who came from
this country at the time. So if you are around
in nineteen ninety six, in that you might you might
be able to know who it is. I will also
say that in the Obama era, a sanction on this
country was no more adoptions from it.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Oh he shut it down. Yeah, so I'm a I'm
a unicorn. That's can't get me anymore. So there's not
even to this day, to this day, the sanctions are
still I'm sure. Wow, Okay, you can't get a kid
from there, So your parents go to this country. They
go to They Now the internet really wasn't popular then,
so they have to fly and pick you like a
like a dog.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
They they did like video service. They would send videos
and like papers and photos, and so they saw she
went over one one time and did like a tour.
She was picking between two. Oh, isn't that crazy? Yeah,
so I could have had a brother in air quotes,
But what do you mean she could have adopted to
(07:55):
take two? Oh, she wanted to adopt to but you
know that costs money to adopt a kid in a
lot of money, even the cheap adoptions, right, So it
wasn't in the budget.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
So she picked you.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
I'm just why wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I'm picturing a baby McCabe, a little a little baby.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Mcad thing, little ball of me.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah, so she they adopt you. They bring you to Connecticut,
that's right. Yeah, And where'd you grow up?
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Not in Connecticut, No, New York, Yeah, an upstate New
York up nowhere.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, what's the name of the town.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
If you know where Binghamton is, it's to the left
of the a little bit like thirty miles to the left.
And by left I mean west Okay country, New York,
middle of now middle south of New York. Yeah, just
crazy like okay, West Virginia feeling.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Isn't it where Maddie in the Morning grew up to
kind of I went to college, I should say, yeah,
he went to college.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I think in Oneana, Yeah, which is true, middle of nowhere.
I'm a little closer to Pa but yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Okay, so growing up with your parents, now, your parents
adopted you at an older age.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Were like my dad was like fifty something because he's
in his eighties now.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, So at what age do they tell you that
you're adopted.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
From the start? That's the thing I know. I couldn't
imagine it any other way. Like I've known from day one,
and I've always been fine with it because I'm lucky
in that my parents. I don't really see the other
people as parents because I didn't know them like they
are biologically my parents. The people in that other country.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
You're not going searching for that I'm not going searching.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I have you do the test, right, No, no, no, no,
I don't want to know anything. Okay, and it's probably
bad because I should know things for my health, but
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I don't know genetic things, heart problems, things like that.
I get you, okay. So you know you're adopted, You
grow up in New York, you had a good childhood.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Great amazing parents. That's I mean, that's part of the
reason why I'm very happy with them. They're they're the best.
They supported me and through all of it.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And so now they're up there in age right.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, so I go back there every couple weeks help
them out. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So I should mention a lot of times when Billy
plugs the mccabes coming up next, we'll say here and
you're not here. That's a lot of times you are
up in New York with your parents. You know, the
health things going on, and you're there.
Speaker 6 (10:12):
You're the air exactly, you're their the heir to the
family whatever that means.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Are they on a farm. No, no farm.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
They're in the middle of nowhere, but no farm.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
Okay, So let's fast forward now because this is so cool.
So you get into radio as a young kid. You
love radio, Yeah, is that true?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Tiny little thing? Yeah, you loved it, So I know
how it happened. There was a an online radio show.
Do you remember aol To dial up internet service? We
have that growing up, and my parents got the kids
version of it. They paid the extra like six ninety
nine a month for it. And on the home page
of kol kids online there's a radio show. This wacky
(10:52):
British guy named Brick Adams, who I still mildly connected to,
would host this two hour radio show after school and
there's a camera in the studio. I thought that was
so fucking cool, like him hitting the buttons and shit,
and I was like, I got to do that. I
was literally like nine years old, so I like, I
would like set up a fake studio in my room.
And then eventually there were these there's a chat room
(11:16):
like on the stream, and I connected with a bunch
of them and we started doing like online radio. And
then I'd call the local night show and in my
market every day annoy them.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Yeah, you used to call the radio station and say
you wanted a job, and then eventually they gave you
a job.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Right, Eventually I got both of the pop stations in
my hometown to be like, yeah, we want to hire you,
but you're eleven years old. Oh my god, not eleven.
I'm exaggerating, but no, I'd so to fast forward a
tiny bit. The first job I got I interviewed for
I think when I was fifteen, I couldn't work yet.
(11:51):
I had to like wait a year, it'd be sixteen
to worry. Yeah, to get my real like working papers.
You could do farm work if you were fourteen, and
you can risk your life, yeah, exactly, like a radio station.
And my mom not only brought me, drove me to
the interview with the GM and the OM of the market,
but the GM made her sit in on the inter Well.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
You were a minor, yeah yeah, And the.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Whole thing was like at the end of the year,
you can you can do this because you're going to
be old enough. But the GM was this old marine,
scary guy from Arkansas. He could always scream all the time.
He was the best. Sometimes is transition so old there
it is? Yeah, yeah, he doesn't work there anymore. But
he like looked me and my mother in the eye
(12:39):
and said if her grade gold down one little but
out of here, that's what he sounded.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Oh wow, okay, so they hired you to do what.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
My first job was running the NASCAR races on the
classic rock station on the board. Yes, so the the
Motor Racing Network would say we're going to break for
top of hour and then I would hit the button
and they would say we're me go to commercials and
I would hit the button.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I did that for like six hours a day. If
there was like a rain delay or some shit, it'd
be longer. And this is why I love my parents
to death and I'll do anything for them. I still
couldn't drive when I started because I couldn't. I didn't
have a license. Yeah, my dad wouldn't drive me to
the job and then sit there with me.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
He would.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Yeah, he'd sit there in the Classic Rock.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Sport studio supportive parents.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's insane. Yeah, well paid NASCAR, like all loved NASCAR fans,
but it's so boring on the radio's listening to.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
That, Oh my god. But out there it was huge because.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
We had Watkins Glen like it's a massive like it's
one of the big race tracks.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
Okay, I heard of this a road track.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
It's the only road track I think so racing fans
love it.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
How much were you being paid? Do you remember? Uh?
Speaker 2 (13:46):
It was state minimum wage as it still isn't most
radio stations for that job. Yeah, so what it was like,
I want to say six twenty five? Yeah, maybe seven
to twenty five maybe seven, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
That makes it.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
And that was the case through most of my career,
and like came to iHeart actually like everything was.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Yeah, I had a thought when you were talking about
the AOL. I had never heard of KOL. We had
AOL when I was a kid, teenager, and my parents
probably should have had that because I was dialing up
and going on the internet and downloading.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
Porn and I mean I was doing that too, to
be very clear. Yeah, you could just go to Internet
Explorer and go to Google bu yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
And then infect your your parents' computer was exactly. It
was spyware and all that stuff. Okay, okay. So then
you go to college, you do radio and college where
do you go to college?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I went to Elmira College. It was I took I
did radio all throughout the last couple of years, all
through high school and at the end of my senior year,
the night guy on the Pop station got another dui.
It was like the last straw.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
It happens.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
And then they called me during the school play. I
was running and they said, how fast can you be
at the radio station. I said, I'll be right there,
and then I started doing nights about like the last
few months of my senior year of high school. I
was going to college in Princeton, New Jersey. Not at Princeton.
There's a college called Rider that I was going to,
and I.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Can't have a lot. Do you able to just not
give that correction?
Speaker 2 (15:17):
I went to Princeton in Princeton, Yeah, but I canceled
that and went to the school that was just in
the in my hometown.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Do you have any of this audio of you calling
in as a kid?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I have a whole entire audio file, serious, every single
point in my life.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Will you bring that back when you come on the
after show so people can hear it.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
I've never played it for anyone, really, Yeah, it's really
it's also like fifteen minutes long. I've been doing this
for a while now.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
Yeah, but I mean just a little bit of a sample.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, yeah, it'd be really funny to reveal that at
some point.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Okay, and when are you going to reveal the country
that you were born in?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
You want to do it now?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Because I have like a joke, you know, I know, yeah,
I have a joke lined up for when you said
where it was.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
I was thinking about it last night. I have a joke.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeh. Well, here's the big reveal.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I was born in Russia.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Born in Russia, and if you weren't adopted by your
lovely parents, you could be in Ukraine fighting right now.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
That's not a joke. That's true.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
I know, well I shouldn't have said joke, but that's
a true statement.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Yes, yeah, yeah. There's a lot of things that I
would probably be experiencing that are bad.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Listen to a podcast recently and this guy was explaining
the difference between American military and other countries like Russia
and North Korea and China. And one advantage, if you
will use that word, that they have is the control,
the mind control over their people in their military. For example,
(16:40):
when Russia invaded Ukraine, Okay, there was a pilot, now,
very educated man, well educated pilot, and they told him
that he was going to fly into Ukraine and when
he got there, the Ukrainians were going to be ready
to go, and they were going to surrender because they
were going to be happy that Russia was coming in
and taking over. And so this, yeah, he's no idea.
(17:01):
So this pilot, he's excited to do this, excited. You
know what he brought with him. He packed his bag
to go. He brought fifty condoms because he had it
in his mind that there would be at least fifty
Ukrainian women that will be so.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
Happyful and thankful.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Wow. Yes, I'm throwing myself at you think us.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yes, And so then he got there and obviously it's
been a different story. I mean, how long has the
war been going on forever? Yes, point, So that could
have been you, not the pilot, but somebody that.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I think I would be a pilot. I think it'd
be great, that'd be sick. You have literally take over
for Romeo again.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Oh, Romeo used to work on Kiss Now Jeff Blue
pilot pilot. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
But I'm sure because I I'm doing it and I'm
not you, I'm sure you have thought.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
About the what ifs? Oh yeah, all the time, Like
what would you be doing?
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Even know, I imagine, like I think everything is in
life is kind of half fate based and half you
know your your willpower and you control it. So I
kind of imagine I would maybe be in media. I'm
kind because I can't shut up and I just love music.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You're very smart. We call you the doogie howser of radio.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
I guess I am. But so I imagine maybe i'd
be like on a state propaganda show.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
You okay, okay, with Glad. You were Glad.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
I joke that I kind of look like him, like
a little mildly like pudgier version of him.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
Hey, I could, Well, he has a shaved head, so
it's hard to picture, but I could see that.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Back okay, back to the radio. Just to fast forward here.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
You get through college, you start working in radio, you
work your way up from on air to off air
program director.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
You, I know, you have several stops all you really
have literally.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
All Like I was in Elmira back then, I was
even like the cluster engineer.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
So from my point of view, when I met McCabe,
you were working. You became the program director of New
Hampshire Portsmouth.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
See when I was seven, it's it's still on. I
actually still work with the station.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
You do.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Yeah, well, you work like a national level.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
How many stations do you work with nationally?
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Oh? Work with like all of the pop stations. Yeah,
in some way fifty. Oh, there's like eighty five pop
stations or more. There might be a one hundred or so.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
So mcay's a big deal, not just hair a Kiss,
but also nationally. He's doing all this other things. But
when I first met you, Dylan, our boss is your boss?
Speaker 3 (19:16):
You work with Dylan.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
He said to me, there's this kid coming in that
is going to replace me one day. He said something
like that, And I go, can we tell him that?
Speaker 2 (19:26):
Now? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
I know what?
Speaker 5 (19:28):
When?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
When's what? What? One day?
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Yeah? And so he didn't say kid.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I think because I thought you were a man, not
that you are not a man, but I thought you
were ill you.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Were started there at like maybe I think twenty one.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Okay, maybe. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
So here's this guy coming in that's gonna replace Dylan,
supposed to be this brilliant radio mind.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
And there's this little dwee maybe you walk in And
I remember I said to I don't know who it was.
I go, what is is this a joke? Like? Who
is this is a.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Very different person? Back then too, like I was still
finding myself.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, every way, yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Every single way. Yeah, my favorite. I remember it every day.
I think Whennie said it on this podcast. The first
time I met her was at a jingle Ball, like
maybe twenty seventeen or eighteen, and she she was always
saying to me. I turned to Justin, I was like,
who the fuck is this little nerd?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yeah, and I was like, I think she'd gave the.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Pictures from that from that jingle Ball and I'm like,
who the fuck was that little nerse?
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, I know, I know, so funny. So then you
were then you got promoted to Baltimore. Yeah, right, you
were program directed and I went down and ran our
pop station there and then they fired you.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Then they fired on election Day twenty twenty, twenty twenty. Yeah.
I was at a cabin in the woods. Every year
I try to do like a disconnect trip, and I
would always do it November when I was down there,
because it was nice, like you'd go out in the
woods and hike and disconnect for a while by yourself,
by myself. Psychopath, I know, but you should try it,
(20:54):
not so much.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Do you bring your phone? Yes? You bring your phone, yes,
just in case a bear attacks exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Yeah, but uh yeah, I got I got laid off
during COVID most people did. But yeah, that happened, and
I went away and I like, wut off my phone?
Speaker 3 (21:10):
What did you do? Like how long before they hired
you back?
Speaker 2 (21:13):
It was like a day.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I was like, oh, was that quick?
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, they called me like I think it was later,
maybe later in the day that they laid me off
that they were like, hey, we actually have something we
want to offer you again. And initially I was actually like,
I don't want to do that. And that's when I
basically was like, I don't want to do that job.
I'm going to go disconnect in the woods. It's election day.
I'm it's highly stressed already. Yeah, And so I disconnected,
(21:38):
I like almost disconnected my phone, and everybody was blowing
me up, like saying to come back. So eventually we
worked something out and I came back at that this
this national job I have, which was really different back then,
and part of it was I could live anywhere, and
obviously I'm getting the fuck out of Baltimore. Everything you
hear about that city is true.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
By the way, do you ever watch The Wire?
Speaker 2 (21:59):
No?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
One of my favorite show.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
That's not for me.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
He never went down to the projects from the show
I have, Yes, the board of up houses.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's real, it's scary, it's really odd, but it's odd
because there's parts of that city that are actually really nice.
The neighborhood I lived in is actually still one of
my favorite neighborhoods I've lived in. I think it's Federal
Hill if anyone wants to google it. But yeah, everything
in that show is real.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
So so like even the layft that just happened here,
you know it happens every year, right, not just here everywhere.
But when that happens, you know what that even though
you're back, you know what that feeling is like.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Yeah, it's insane. Yeah, you never see it coming.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah, it's crazy. So the
high you back on National and then what what year
did you come back to here to kiss twenty twenty two?
It was three years last month, and so they sent
you back here. Correct me if I'm wrong to assist Dylan.
Dylan is the program director, but he also does a
lot of national things too.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
He's a really big deal in our company.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yeah, he oversees the entire pot format. That's crazy, like
everything that happens on any of the stations goes through him.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
A statement was made to me once a while. I'll
never forget it, and I want you to confirm or
deny if this is true. They said to me that Dylan,
in his position, he makes decisions on music and what
music goes on and when music comes off, that he
could potentially make a decision on a song that could
potentially move it up and up or down.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
The music charts.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yeah, that's definitely, that's true. It's like just it's an
influenced thing. Yeah, for sure. I mean that's kind of
that's like Dylan for sure, But it's also a Kiss
one oh eight thing. Like this is one of the
biggest radio stations out there. The amount of people who
look at what we do and then and not copy it,
but like they know, we put a lot of research
and a lot of thought, and every little decision on
(23:46):
this radio station has been thought out. Every tiny little
thing you hear has been thought out. So people will
look at Kiss one oh eight and see what we do,
and they look at like Z one hundred and New
York and Kiss in LA and Kiss in Chicago, and
they'll do things on their own station based on that.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
We set the standard exactly essentially, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Dylan does oversee every pop station. So yeah, in theory,
he could be like, you have to do this, but
he's not doing that. Nobody's doing that, you know.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, so you so you do your national stuff, but
then you also assist him here. So basically I say,
m cave's my boss. He goes, no, I'm not. Essentially
you are in a way because I go to you
for all my kiss stuff.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's like less of a boss. It's more of a
like just we get the shit done, yeah kind of
aspect of it. Yeah, and I'm just like the doer. Yeah,
that's really it.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
So before we run out of time, because Billy's going
to be knocking on my door on a second. What
I love about you is a couple of things. I
love your personality. You're very cheerful. Plus you're very Yeah,
you're just a nice dude. You're a good person. I'm
drawn to good people, right, you too. Yes, I spent
a lot of years with bad people. I cherish the
good ones. You're one of the good ones. That's one.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Number two.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
I love that you go to so many shows, and
not just that We've talked about this on the show,
but you live your dream.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, right, like I live my dream and you live
your dream. You love music, you love radio, you love entertainment,
you love all that stuff and you get to do
it every single day and you own it. Oh yeah,
how many shows last year?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Oh? Hundreds? I actually I have a spreadsheet because I'm
a genuine psychopath. I love data, and I just updated
it on my way home the other day. I think
I'm getting up to six hundred total artists, shows, performances
seen in your life, in my life of twenty nine years,
do you count doubles? Yeah, okay, that's like total if
(25:34):
somebody had sang in front of me, an artist saying
for me, I'm writing it down.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah. And it's so funny you go to the biggest shows,
but then you also go to these shows that I'm like,
where the fuck is mccae.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Here's the thing, Like, Boston's really underrated music city right now.
I think it, like, based on my knowledge of it,
is it used to be a massive music town, like
a rock city. So many big rock stations and a
huge pop sty city with Kiss one O eight like
setting the standard for a lot of these big hits
back in the day. But there are so many colleges
(26:08):
here that, especially on the indie, alternative and pop scenes,
You've got a lot of like in touch, young kids
listening to what's next in music. And I live in
the South End with like very close to Berkeley, and
obviously everyone there is a young music head. They have
(26:29):
they have their own venue that I'll walk into sometimes
at Berkeley. Yeah, and my favorite part is Berkeley has
these little pop up shows in their cafeteria in one
of the dorms, And sometimes I'll be like walking back
from Fenway and I'll see a crowd and I'll ask, like,
what's happening here, and they'll be like, oh, it's just
a calf show is what they call them, a show
in the cafeteria, and I'll literally like sneak in and
(26:51):
see and they're unreal, it's.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Crazy, or girl like it'll be seconds bands, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Us love all of it. And you know why I
do all this ship, especially the big shows and the
medium shows that we do thankfully get access to, is
because you never know what it's going to go away.
Like I say yes to everything because I never know tomorrow.
Who knows what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
That's true. Live it up. You are the definition of
living it up.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:19):
Yeah, and also you also the other thing is that
your parents are in New York and you're here. You
don't have any other family here. You know, kids, thankfully, thankfully.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I don't know how you do that everyone with the
kids and all that.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
It's a lot. It's a lot.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
When you're wondering why you don't see me out of
events that much. It's the kids.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
When we get you out to a show, we have
to shine Down. That's the only show we ever been.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
To that was great. I know what's another show that
we can go to.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I'll go to whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Really, I'm trying to go well, trying to go to
the Ray Kwan mob deep show.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I don't want to do.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Like Baltimore all over again.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Okay, before we go, I want to end with a
hot take from you, if you will indulge in me. Okay,
the hot take from a cave is that because I
want you to explain this very quickly.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
I know.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I'm going to tell you the Taylor Swift album, the
new one. Oh, I don't think it's a hot take. Okay,
you're not a fan.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
No, I think it's fine.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
You think it's fine.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Yeah, I don't. I don't it didn't.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Care about it, Okay, you don't hate it. But it
came in below your expectations.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Is that remarkably below?
Speaker 3 (28:24):
Okay, that's what I want you to producer.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Riley and I talk about all the time. She's a
number one Swifty. She mildly agrees, but she hype. She
being Taylor hyped this album up so much. I like Taylor.
I listened to the albums. I enjoy her. I'm never
like buying all the way into all the shit she does,
but I did for this album because I have a
lot of people in my life who are passionate about her.
I'm like, I'm gonna be there and listen and get involved.
(28:48):
I listened to that podcast she did with Travis and
the other guy, Jason Kelsey, and it made me so
hype for the album. I was so pumped. She was like,
this is gonna be reputation bangers. In nineteen eighty nine,
shell Back in Max mart Max Mart like, you can't
make a bad album with those people, And then she
made an album that was not bangers. Right, there's one
(29:10):
maybe banger on it. We played on Kiss I Fit
is good opal Lite, you know, like op Open Light
is Me Part two. It's so corny. Then she is
the queen of corn in every era she's had in
a good way. This one is like it was like
somebody gave her the Internet for the first time, like
(29:30):
girl Boss too Close to the Sun, who says that, like,
what are you doing?
Speaker 1 (29:36):
I mean that does come off as corny. But see
this is a hot take because I listened to the
album and I'm like, well, it's pretty good.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
It may it is a hot take, I guess in
our kiss when to Wait community. But there's a lot
of people who don't like it really or who find
it mid even my my friend. I got dinner with
a friend last night who's a number one swifty and
he ranked it in the middle.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Okay, it's not that it's not that it's a bad album,
it's just it's not what she hyped it out exactly.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
And that's why I think I got annoyed about it, Okay,
because I was expecting nineteen eighty nine in reputation.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
See it from my point of view, like Folklore, I'm
not listen. I'm not a big Taylor Swift fan, but
I listen to all music, right, yeah, and Taylor's was
obviously a flagship artist here a Kiss, so I space
special attention to her.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
But Folklore when that came out, I was.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
Like, yeah, I didn't get it the first I didn't
do it for years probably, yeah, until people were like,
you have to actually just like let your like expectations
down on her. That's the thing I always get. I
always forgets. I have expectations of artists, like I didn't
like the last Beyonce era because my expectation of her
is crazy in love with the country album. Yeah, we'll
never get that again.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
No, you know, no.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
Now and listen, I say this all the time about music,
and I'm sure you can agree with this. There's not
so much timeless music as there once was.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Yeah, right, it's really interesting new music.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
Friday comes a bunch of new songs. Some stick around,
most don't.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Yeah, you know right now, it's a it's a what's
the word, It's like mass, it's masses, like you put
out a ship ton of music every week and hope
one sticks.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
It's not you do one thing, yeah, and you put
that one thing out. You know, it's all about numbers.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Now, it's a different game, different game.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
It's hard. I would not want to be any person
actively working.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Yeah, but then you have like your sombers, like Sombers
on the Rise. He's got a good couple of good songs.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
You know, knows how many sombers are not with a
major label, who never get heard by a major label,
And are you know, stuck in the streaming ethos which
does There's a million songs like every week that come
out on the on the streaming platforms. There's so many,
and it's getting higher and higher. With AI, I could
do a whole week's worth of episod.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Well you know what, you come back? Can you?
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Will you come back with your old recordings for the
A have to show army. Yeah, it'll be fun to look,
all right, pull them up. Well, we'll get those on
for you. But thank you, McCabe.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yeah, we learned a lot. Get paid for this, you
know you.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
Do not get paid for this.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
But if you want to leave a talk back and
give her a response to this podcast or any questions
you have from a cabe. You can do that on
the iHeart app only. You can stream this podcast on
several different streaming platforms, but the iHeartRadio app is the
only one you can leave a talk back on, probably
the easiest one to listen to, the easiest one. Leave
a talk back, let us know. And tomorrow I'm gonna
have another surprise. Yes, I'm not gonna say yeah, I'm
(32:20):
not gonna.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Say hell yet.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Is that person? That person's on the show tomorrow too,
right for a little bit.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
They're gonna be on the show tomorrow because this some
thing's happening. Nothing bad, but you know, there's gonna be
some whatever.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Lisa is going on vacation.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
This is going on vacation.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
We can say that, we can say that. I said, okay,
so you don't create so you're not creating mass pandemonium?
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Or should I just say it then? No?
Speaker 6 (32:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Okay, all right, yeah tomorrow special guests, make sure you
tune in. Bye McCabe, Bye,
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