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We welcome Matty and Damon from Power of Recovery back to the After Show.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, all right, here we go. It's a little
crazy here in the After Show studios. Welcome in, everybody,
justin Winnie after Show Podcast Special guests back again, Maddie
Powers and Damon from Power of Recovery. Uh, they've been
coming in like once a month. Welcome in, guys.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Hey, how you doing?

Speaker 1 (00:15):
Justin doing good? Now we have a microphone that's missing,
so this is great. Damon and Winnie have to share
a mike. Get nice and close.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
I just put my bizzel line into Wow.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
This is uh. I hope someone familiar to me, just
so you know.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, it's sharing mike.

Speaker 4 (00:30):
Yeah, two of us close like this, you know.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yeah, it's it's like we were just talking about that
off the before we started about being clean freaks, and
you know some of the things that we did, Winnie
in active addiction. Not so clean, right, not so clean?
You're good than Matt. You here?

Speaker 4 (00:44):
Good?

Speaker 3 (00:45):
What's what's going on? Manny good?

Speaker 4 (00:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
I'm just checking the headphone.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Okay, he's sitting it down, he's standing up. He doesn't
know hold on, So.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I want to so intro them or whatever you're doing.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, no, I did. Maddie and Damon, they're back.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, he's doing all right.

Speaker 4 (00:59):
Why do you hold being selfish?

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah? How is she like she's gripped? How is she
gripping it? Yeah, she's gripping. She's got a boyfriend.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Now, I'll just.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Let me just tell you when he knows around her
way around a microphone and more. I'm just saying, but yeah,
I was saying. I was on vacation this past week.
Maddie and Damon and I went to Provincetown with Billy
on his boat. So you know, we're riding up, come
on in this, Tara Tara. Tara joins, joining the after show.
So we're on the boat driving h going to Pee

(01:35):
Town and Billy's wife, Michelle, who's the loveliest person ever,
but she's like into like organic things. She's giving this
whole speech about water and the type of spring water
that you should be drinking, never tap water, you know,
and minerals and all this stuff. And I'm listening to
her and she's like telling me justin no, you're into health,
you need to drink this type of water. So after

(01:57):
like ten minutes, I just looked at her and I go, Michelle,
I used to be in Boston. Dope sick, and I
would try to get money to get a bag of
heroin okay, And when I finally got it, I didn't
have water to use it to inject, so I would
just reach down and draw the water from the puddle
on the street and injected in my arm. I'm really
not worried yet about the type of water. Then I'm drinking.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
And that's only because he couldn't get to the back
of a toilet.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
That's true.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Yeah, well you went into the bathroom of the toilet,
I just went, right, what, dude.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
I actually have a store. I don't. I can't. It's
so bad, I can't even tell you really, are you sure? Okay?
So I was with a kid one time and we
were very sick, very in the depths of addiction, and
we only had one syringe. So we got the stuff
and he said, I'm going to go into the bathroom
from public bathroom first and I'll come out and give

(02:52):
it to you. So he goes, and he comes out, boom,
gives it to me. We're done. Fast forward about maybe
a week or so later, I show up to detox.
I checked myself in and I started getting really sick
and turning like yellow almost. I was like, really sick.
So they were doing some tests on me or whatever.
Turns out I had hepatitis B. I ended up seeing

(03:15):
him again. Yeah, so I checked out or whatever, and
I ended up running into him later on and I'm like, God,
I got so sick or whatever, and he goes, I
gotta be honest with you, this is really disgusting. He
had gone into the bathroom and there was a guy
in the bathroom. Going to the bathroom, he had to
wait for the stall, so the guy did flush one time,
but then he went in and just took it right

(03:36):
from the toilet water and used it and then gave
it to me. Okay, that's what active addiction is. That's
the horrors that sometimes need to be told. I know
the winner, you can't the worst of all time. I've
never told her that one. I've told you.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
I said in a meeting last night, I direct newcomers
to certain few meetings, and I said, don't worry, guys.
Never in the history of NA have I ever told
an elder member a story And they gasped.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Never once. It's not gonna happen. Yeah, if they do,
they don't belong in this meeting.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yep. Yeah, it's crazy, that's what it is. Yeah, but
now look at we're free just for today. I was,
I was sick, I was jaundice yellow. Yeah, it was
really bad.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
You know what I said to him, I go, I go, Prian,
you couldn't have gave it a second flush. And I
didn't want to ask him, like was there things in there?

Speaker 4 (04:38):
No?

Speaker 3 (04:38):
No, but literally use ship water to enacting yourself.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
And I didn't know. I had no idea.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
I tell those of my story, you want to hear
a bad one?

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Is it worse than that I need? Okay? Oh boy,
way worse.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Okay, way worse.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
It was Thanksgiving night. It was Thanksgiving night. I finally
get my forty dollars. It's around six pm. This is
before you could buy syringes and CVSS. This is before
all of that. You couldn't just go get a syringe.

Speaker 4 (05:06):
So she doesn't know that you can do that.

Speaker 5 (05:08):
You know when you're out there, all right, Well, so
you used to use it. It looks like a fish
hook by the end of two, but you'd keep that
thing forever. You turn into what what we used to
call a needle surgeon. You'd put wax in your eard
to get it going. It's just I'm just telling you,
all right, I get to Chelsea Square, there's a guy there.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
I said, make forty in a clean pin. That's all
I asked for. I get down there. He goes, yeah,
it's all. I got to use it once. He has HIV.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Yep a true, did you know?

Speaker 5 (05:47):
Of course everybody knew it. Okay, And I rinted out
water once and used it, no bleach. Nothing came to
about six months later in detox, and now I turned
into the health nazi.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
You know how that you gonna get to this artice
right away? Six months? Thank god? Nothing?

Speaker 5 (06:06):
But that's what act of addictional duty you you knowing,
I knowingly.

Speaker 4 (06:11):
Did that, so my mind similar. So I got one.
The very first time I used drugs intravenously, I was
with another a woman, and she said, this is my needle.
This is the one I let everybody use. And I
went without hesitation. Okay, but like notdy, it didn't even
you know what I mean, It's just not even a pause.

(06:32):
Just you know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (06:33):
You don't think that you're gonna make it the next
couple months, so it really don't matter, like if you
had a toothache and they go, oh, we could fill
a cap, pull it, pull it.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Let me go.

Speaker 5 (06:45):
It don't matter because you don't. You'd never think that
you're gonna make it out.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I actually want to ask this is a good segue.

Speaker 6 (06:54):
I wanted to ask three of you because last week
or two weeks ago, I us behind an MBTA bus
and they have, you know, those safe spots. Now you
can you know, shoot up or get high with someone
in the same I guess building she was.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Going to say she saw you on the side of
the bux No.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
No, no, it was saying like your your your chances
of dying are you know when you get alone or high?

Speaker 4 (07:18):
Right?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (07:19):
What do you guys think of that? As three?

Speaker 6 (07:22):
You know former addicts or people in recovery where there
is now places that they are basically saying it's it's
safe to shoot up here.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Well, Maddie, you this is your field.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, looking at Stacey, you don't even want to touch
this thing with a ten football. We were we were
cut from a different cloth when we started around here,
right like we didn't. Yeah, we've grown so much with
harm reduction and things of that, and that's exactly what
that is. So we're we're far closer to that side
of the fence than we were when we first opened,
Like we opened with soba houses and we didn't even

(07:58):
have knocking anything in the houses. We didn't. We thought
it was like permission, like we were giving permission for
people to use because we had the life saving mechanism there.
But we've come to realize that that's not the case.
I don't know how far we've come about safe injection sites,
but at the end of the day, it's proven to
be safer some days.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
Odd job is just to keep you alive till tomorrow
and give you another shot.

Speaker 2 (08:22):
That's what it comes down to.

Speaker 5 (08:23):
Like when we first started around here, it's complete abstinence.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
Blah blah blah. That hold spiel, you know it.

Speaker 5 (08:30):
I know, Yeah, Now you got to see it differently.
We're going to keep you alive today, maybe you'll get
it tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
And I do agree with that. But one of my
issues is when I got clean, when I was going
in and out of detoxes. Every time it would be,
you know, go to a further treatment or wherever you go,
get to a meeting, raise your hand, ask for help,
like that's what you do, and it's gotten so bad
with the deaths and overdoses that now detoxes they just

(08:58):
give you medic sub boxing. Right, So what happens is
maybe they are promoting meetings, but not as much so
in my area of meetings, it's declined rapidly, and we
attribute that to detox is not saying hey, you need
to go out. It's here, here's a prescription.

Speaker 5 (09:14):
Definitely has gotten to do oversaturation of meetings.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
This that the third But.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
Programs were run different back then. One strike, you're out,
Like all right, you use you gotta go.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
This that all of us.

Speaker 5 (09:29):
Have carried out black trash bags down the street because
of one mistake.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Where else in life does that happen? Right nowhere? So
we have it a little different in our spot, Like, well.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Can I ask you like your you have sober houses?

Speaker 4 (09:44):
Right?

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Is there like a three strikes you're out?

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Two strikes, there's a no strike, you're out?

Speaker 4 (09:49):
Right.

Speaker 5 (09:50):
We tried to help you that you relapsed today. It's
a person by person basis. So like if you've been
in the house six months in you just relapse this
weekend depending on the substance.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
Okay, let's go, let's get some help today. And more times.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Than not, that person's in detox that day. If you're
on ohbeits and shooting Fatanohl, I can't put you back
in that house with fifteen other people who are clean.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
It just it won't work.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
So they decide whether they want treatment or they have
another place to.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Go, which is what I love about what Maddie and
Damon do Power Recovery and their sober houses. A lot
of times, what happens is we've seen the story over
and over with these sober houses, is it becomes about
the money, and so when someone relapses, they'll let them stay,
not offer them help as long as they pay their
rent because they start making money. And then before you
know it, it goes to absolute shit.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
Well, that person relapses that day and we say get out,
go get out. Now what they're just using now they're
more apt to die. So now Damon comes in, Then
what can I do for you?

Speaker 2 (11:01):
We know all this.

Speaker 5 (11:05):
More often than not they'll choose to go to treatment.
Sometimes we'll even save your bed while you're gone, depending
on how long you've been there. Sometimes you might drink
on Saturday night after being clean nine months. We're not
sending you all the way back to detox and start
that whole thing over.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Let's see if we can catch it.

Speaker 5 (11:25):
Now you get to bounce back, hit ninety and ninety,
do the whole thing, and let's see if we.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Can get it. It happens, it works. You got to
treat everybody different.

Speaker 6 (11:34):
I can ask another question also, I know Justin's stance
on this, but I'm curious about you guys. Justin's always
talked about some of his friends in recovery that do
you like either take edibles or smoke weed. Now you
start smoking weed and because it's legal and all that shit,
and Justin's doesn't really associate with those people where you say,
like you don't really lean on them the way they
used to and you don't hang out. They leave recovery

(11:56):
essentially because in your mind, they leave recovery right because
you're I still love them, you're completely sober. But now
that people are using I guess the Cali sober you
know term, or they're you know, they're, oh, I'm I'm
sober from you know, hard drugs. But like you know,
I smoke weed or I you know, I drink on Saturdays.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
They keep the same date recovery day, like.

Speaker 6 (12:16):
Do you like with like edibles or weed or something
like that, or you know, or drinking or something like that.
Like I would say more like weed because I think
drinking is almost considered even more like in recovery, like, oh,
you can't get drunk, but.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
If you get a little, if you have a little weed,
like there's.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
No issue medicinally.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
Yeah, I'm curious because it's now so accessible. Like when
I tell you my aunt just had major back surgery.
She's in her mid sixties. She is like the fucking
virgin Mary. Doesn't drink, doesn't do any drugs, doesn't swear
like but like none of the harder yeah, really worry.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
None of the drugs were working. None of the hard
drugs were working for her.

Speaker 6 (12:54):
And we suggested medicial you know, use of marijuana, the edibles,
and she he swears by them now to go to
sleep or when she has pain issues. And I'm just wondering,
when you have, say even somebody in recovery that is
having chronic pain or have like is that how do
you feel about that?

Speaker 4 (13:12):
Me? Well, either both here he is good. Hey, listen,
you're on fire over here. I'm gonna let you feel
for me.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
It's different I'm complete abstinence. Nothing has gone in here.

Speaker 5 (13:23):
I know I'm sitting with two other guys complete abstinence.
If that person is bettering their life on a daily
basis and they're okay with it, I'm okay with it.
It doesn't mean I'm gonna sit down and write step
work with you or I will. Actually, it don't matter
to me. Whatever you think is okay for you. Who
the hell am I to tell you anything? If you're

(13:47):
asking me specifically on specifically how to stay clean, like
I do, I can navigate you towards that. The other
stuff I don't know. But if you're living better today
than you did yesterday, all the power to you. Like
if you I personally cannot do that.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, I'm with Maddie. I used to be super strict
about this earlier recovery because I was like recovery man.
My sponsor actually has a good line when he tells
his story. He was three different people, three different men
in recovery. At first, he was attic man, right, had
the worst stories. You know what I mean, I did
this many drugs, That's all he talked about. And then
he did some work on himself. Then he became recovery man, right,

(14:26):
all about recovery, speaking everywhere like that was his thing,
and then eventually, after doing more work on himself, he
just became human. Yeah, you know, and early on that's
how I was. But now I feel exactly like Maddie, like,
whatever you're doing, do it, it doesn't work for me.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Correctah with dot a dota.

Speaker 4 (14:42):
I mean personally, I'm complete abstinence, right, it don't work
for me any other way. And what you mentioned when
you talk about marijuana, it's the one thing where I'm like,
I'll be near a car and smell and I'm like,
it still has some appeal to me. But I know
for me personally, I just can't get involved. I'm too
scared what it could potentially be for me on the
other side of it, the way I'm built, it's not

(15:05):
gonna be enough for me. It won't. It won't say,
it'll satisfy and urge for a certain period of time,
and then I'm just afraid of what the next piece
of it is. But with like both of these guys
are saying, listen to each his own, I'm not here
to judge you about how you manage quote unquote, y'all
recovery if we if you will, but you know, for me,
I do it a certain way and and and it's
pretty much the same way that Justin's done it and

(15:25):
and that Maddie does it. We we just kind of
fine with what you want to do. And if it's working,
for listen, if it doesn't pay your life, and if
it doesn't, you want some help, And like like Maddie said,
or Justin, if you want to know how we do it,
exactly what I did, I'm happy to offer that information
and share my exact journey with you. But you know,
if if if edibles is getting you through the day

(15:46):
or whatever it is, and you're still living a pretty
good life, so be it.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
Yeah, it's it's so true. I'm not like kicking your
door down, like you gotta stop smoking weed.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
If you're built like me, I don't suggest it.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Well, that's that's totally accurate.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Well, he'll tell you.

Speaker 5 (16:06):
Even after I got the hip hip surgery and I
had to go under and they had me on pain
meds in the hospital, and like, I instantly turned back
to that other guy immediately. I was high and I
loved it, and I didn't care about my hip, and
I wanted more pain meds.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
That's all I wanted was more pain meds.

Speaker 4 (16:25):
It was like a switch flipped on the kid and literally.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
After not putting anything in my body for over fifteen
and a half years.

Speaker 2 (16:33):
So I went home with non narcotic pain blocker and
I'm okay, but new miracle.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
If I did.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Not go home with that, I wouldn't be here. So wait,
we're talking to this new company, Vertex.

Speaker 4 (16:48):
Vertex is the is the company that created the Gynatics.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
I was on Gynaviics.

Speaker 1 (16:55):
This is a non narcotic medication.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Catic medication, non opioid pain.

Speaker 4 (17:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
In uh, what's it called Gynavics? It just was FDA approved.
In like, we're talking, we're talking with the people, and
I forget one.

Speaker 5 (17:11):
Somebody who isn't recovering addict said, well, how are you
going to know it's gonna work?

Speaker 2 (17:17):
I said, that's easy.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
I said, Monday, I'm getting my surgery. If I rob
your house by Friday, it didn't work.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Wow, oh yeah, I'm looking at it right now.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
This is gat from Monday to Wednesday. I was a mess.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
In my last dose Wednesday, I was taking them to
get high.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
I wanted to get high. I get no shame in
saying that.

Speaker 5 (17:40):
So Monday I had the surgery. Thursday, I was on
a walker in a men's meeting in Lynn Wow, saying
I wanted because I still wanted to get high. Thursday
and Friday and Saturday. It just don't go away. It's
not like a cold. It's never going away.

Speaker 6 (17:56):
Well, it's funny that you say that. Be like with
the whole you know, taking medas and after a surgery.
I got my tonsed out a few years ago and
I was at my mom's house for like the week,
you know, recovering and hard. Nephew passed away with a
heroin overdose, but he started off with pay meds because
he was a college athlete, fucked his shoulder up.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
And they just gave him winny.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
No, thirteen year old kid in the history as ever
woke up and said, Hey, I think I'm gonna shoot
heroin today.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Right, It's never.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Happened, but I was like, I'm like twenty eight, right,
And they gave me whatever they don't know, whatever pain
meds they give you the are opioids or you know,
and my mother literally gave me like one or two,
told me there was none left.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
And I was, I was crying. My throat hurt so bad.
She literally wouldn't give him to me.

Speaker 6 (18:40):
She gave me talent all and told me to go
to you know, oh, you know, sleepreast whatever, you know,
popsicles and she literally like, I mean, at this point,
you know, I've never had really any issues.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
And she was like she threw she hadn't did not
want me to touch them.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Nobody's immune from this.

Speaker 5 (18:55):
Yeah, she gave you them for so many days in
a row you would have had withdraw.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
It's your body. It becomes chemically dependent on the substance.
There's nothing you can do about it. And there's like
he said, no thirteen year old, but there's no twenty
eight year old who went and said I'm going to
have surgery and stop become an opioid addict.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
And it just by the time you figure it out
that you have a problem, it's too late.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's got you. You become what do.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
They tell you back in the day, once you become
a pickle, you the same thing.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
No, when you once you because you start, once you
become a pickle, you can't go back. So that's what happens.
We're all pickles.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
If you will I can't tell you the exact day.

Speaker 5 (19:36):
I'm sure he can't know. He can't pass the point
of no return. It was just one day.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
That was my life. M that was it. I'm a
full blown addic.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
But it's also about a progression, right, It's a progressive disease,
you know. If I look back, and I'm sure it's
the same with them. It starts with the drinking and
the weed and the pills and the coke in the club, drugs,
and then eventually it's like, oh, well, you know now
I'm on painkill as well. I'll do heroin, but I'll
only sniff it. I'll never shoot it up. And then
you start shooting it up, you never do anything again.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
And if you want to blow your mind, that's just
the drugs, that's just the drug symptom.

Speaker 2 (20:10):
I should started waiting.

Speaker 4 (20:12):
I was gonna hate. I was gonna say that too,
for me before even his would have bet.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Gambling, yeah, gambling, yeah.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Back in the day when I was when I'll say
my age a little bit here, when you could go
to the store for your parents back then and get cigarettes.
You get is a singer, take it easy? You can
still so I look up, you could get you could
get you know what I mean, scratch ticket cigarettes like
some of them would even let you bring liqu a home.
Do you feel like you don't mean if they knew you?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
So as long as he tied his horse up.

Speaker 3 (20:42):
He died a five year old, but he's seventy two.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
That's wild. I'm the handsomest guy in this room. I'll
have you know.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
You could be old to be handsome. I didn't say
that you're ugly. I said that you're old.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
And he's a great dancer too. Do you know that
what I meant you?

Speaker 4 (20:59):
Guys?

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Oh, he was holding back there rain Yeah, well yeah
whatever called now mix mixed it was the Rain Reunion.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
Yeah, he had his little water in his hands.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
He was holding back. You should see him at the
n A dance into my whole family. Oh yeah, your
sister give yeah.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Big bake. That's that's baked.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, I know. The whole was a giant Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.
It was a great time.

Speaker 4 (21:32):
And his and his and his sister. His brother in
law's wife is is like me, she's tiny.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Oh okay, So the guys are here to record some commercials.
We're in overdose Awareness Month in August. Then September is
National Recovery Month.

Speaker 3 (21:48):
Recovery month.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Yeah, yeah, my birthday is in September.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
By the way, yes, I'll look at you.

Speaker 6 (21:55):
So what a good ear on the Ball's your birthday?

Speaker 4 (21:59):
December? On the first, let's go.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Sah, I'm sad girl? How what not?

Speaker 5 (22:05):
How?

Speaker 2 (22:05):
Leo?

Speaker 3 (22:05):
What's your birthday?

Speaker 2 (22:06):
April twelve?

Speaker 3 (22:07):
Okay, so your eries?

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I am that makes sense?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
You know why?

Speaker 4 (22:12):
You know?

Speaker 3 (22:14):
I'm really not.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
No, No, I'm really not.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I'm really not anybody that.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Can tell you what as soon as your birthday. The
only reason I.

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Know is because I'm sad and my sister's in aries.
That's the only reason why I know.

Speaker 4 (22:27):
I let's try this on Tara. What's your be day? Second?
Go ahead, Scorpio.

Speaker 1 (22:32):
But she's on the purpose. She did it on purpose,
And how the hell do you know?

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Justin that she's on the.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Because I'm twenty second, so I'm on the cusp of
virgo and I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:43):
I have no idea about this.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, speaking of Winny's birthday. Before we carry on here,
I want to tell you about something. If you missed
the show today, we talked about this. So Winnie has
a boyfriend she's been dating for about six months.

Speaker 4 (22:57):
To a year.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
They're very happy and everything. His birthday is coming up, okay,
and it's his first birthday in the relationship, so she
you know, wants to get make him happy and get
him some nice gifts. But she admitted that her birthday
and Christmas are both in December. Okay, so she needs
to make sure that she, you know, does well enough

(23:18):
with the gifts for his birthday so that he will
return the favor at the same caliber for her.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
So so let me be a timeout. I can speak
to this probably better than anybody because I'm a December baby.
So the beauty of what you have is December first you,
without a doubt, there's zero excuse, no offense to mister
boyfriend out the zero excuse for him to not take
care of you. I know, it is what it is

(23:45):
on December baby. That's the only reason I'm marrying them.
I get it. Yeah, I identify with that. You know,
my poor daughter Christmas.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
Eve feels billy. No one gives a ship. No, It's true.
And then the one president takes care of both things.

Speaker 4 (23:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (23:58):
Now, no, he I know he's very anti birthday for him,
but he's like, oh, for your birthday, will go out like,
I'll get.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Your presents, but he goes, I don't need anything.

Speaker 4 (24:06):
Like.

Speaker 6 (24:06):
He's very much like the you know that type of guy, like,
oh no, don't worry about me.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
Yeah, if you kung fu grip the mic like that.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
He's gotta spend no money, he's good. Yeah, you don't
have to worry.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
If you guys just want.

Speaker 3 (24:25):
Whatever, we're good, he said.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
If you held the dicky, I wasn't ready for all that.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Oh my god, I just admitted to shooting ship water.

Speaker 3 (24:39):
You gotta dry hair, fucking doing the craziest shade. I
can't suck dick, like, are we serious?

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Hey?

Speaker 3 (24:46):
Al right, at least I didn't shoot up with the
fucking poop.

Speaker 6 (24:49):
Water or the rain water or ask some shady person
in the side of the road for a needle that
had aids in it.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Concerned about what I I'd rather shoot water them.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Yeah, me too. Actually, justin justin be careful.

Speaker 4 (25:05):
I'll remind you about about last time we were hit
for the podcast.

Speaker 6 (25:10):
Oh yeah, I get okayrap this up.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, that was that was pretty brutal. Okay, transitioning, So
the best fun about that story with the guy coming
is like anytime I tell that story, no, no, no, smoke dude.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
Over the guy and the guy. If the guy was hot,
he would have gone through, is not. That's why he
said no, he.

Speaker 1 (25:38):
Looked like newman from Seinfeld. People that don't know the
guy came. Yeah, the guy came in fifty dollars. I
was desperate. No, it's fine, Yeah I didn't. But the
best part is when I tell the story a few times,
if people the person I'm telling it to, they go, yeah, lie,

(25:59):
and you did it right. No I didn't. I know,
I have going what the well, you know what it is.
It's that we talk about the horrors of addiction, but
then also the gifts of recovery. And that's why you
guys are here. So recovery month is September. So a
couple of things. Well, you guys just had an event
a cookout this past weekend. A yeah, I saw the pictures.

(26:21):
Looked insane. That was in Lynn. You do that every year.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
We did, and then it was a couple of years
off and it was never like this was good.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
So it's every August around.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
We tried, we tried that.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
It was it was like games and dude.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
It was unbelievable. So we had I mean, we did
it as big as we've ever done it, right, and
partly because we had some support from Vertex Pharmaceuticals, and
partly because these guys that you know, Maddie and his
brothers you know, had no expense with this thing too.
And and uh we add We had a dj We
had food, We had all sorts of different food cooking

(26:58):
on the grills as father and it was such a
family event. We had a gigantic, honestly dangerous if in
my personal opinion, bouncy house water slide. It had to be.
It had to be as high as Chris Brown was
last night about it's nuts. So we had that, and
then we had we had a face painter, we had airbrush,
we had tattoos, we had a caricature at us, We

(27:18):
had a balloon maker, We had all sorts of more games,
and a separate just bouncy house without the water slide
in the back. It was super family oriented because a
big part of what we do is is is all
becoming back with our families, like and and and and
helping other people get reunited with their families, whether it's
you know, children and sisters and brothers are parents. So
like you know, for us, it's very important to really

(27:38):
focus on that and and and and and really just
uh make sure we're what's the word I'm looking for. Yeah,
we're you know, we're really trying to ship and so yeah,
it was fantastic. Man, the city of Lynn was there
helping us out and stuff like that too. So we
that that community out there and when we have, uh

(27:58):
how many we got out there now sick six of
our houses in Lynn and that's where we started. Where
we started with Chelsea's house sober living with one house
in Linn on Strawberry Have. That's that's literally where we
had seven beds in that house and that's where we
got started. And uh and we've grown from there and
to get to Power of Recovery and all these other places.
So you know, we've been real blessed to be able

(28:19):
to give back to that community at this point. And
it was such a There was so many people there,
like people that have been impacted by addiction in different ways, right,
and not even like plenty of people that way here
that are in recovery, but a lot of community members
that that just know us from being there and.

Speaker 5 (28:34):
Even neighborhood kids just coming by grabbing a hot dog.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah yeah, Oh. They have like recovery events, say na events,
conventions or whatever, and regular people come, family members that
aren't addicts and they have the best time. Yeah, it's amazing.
And then Damon a last Damon in September, there's an
event happening that I'm going to be speaking at, Winnie,
you want to talk about that?

Speaker 4 (28:56):
Yeah, absolutely, man. We have Noma Stay Soba is a
company that we've been working with since basically from their inception,
and they're a fantastic nonprofit and and basically what they
do is is it's all wellness, the wellness portion of
you know, what you would look for in recovery. And
so their lodge focuses on yoga. They go out and

(29:17):
do different free yoga classes. They raise money to give
scholarships for people to take yoga as well as become
yoga instructors. Like it's phenomenal. They're having a huge event
on City Hall Plaza coming up in September during Recovery
Month on the seventeenth. Justin's going to be there to speak.
We'll have a table that you want to come by
and visit us. We'll have a boot set up. It's uh,

(29:37):
my boss is looking at me.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Yeah, he's excited are going to be there.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
He doesn't miss these things.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Do I leave the toilet story in or I.

Speaker 5 (29:46):
Would, honestly, on this event, i'd keep a vanilla. Yes,
definitely vanilla.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
There's gonna be a there's a large mix of people.
You're gonna have some people that are really there, just
like the holistic wellness yoga people. But you know, they're
they're an amazing community themselves. They have they have such
a an open arm approach to a lot of us
in recovery. And it's just the connections that we've made
with with the yoga community in the wellness community has

(30:13):
been phenomenal. Matty's actually spoken out a couple other events
in the past and some of those wellness fears and
things like that. So we're super excited to have Justin
on board to come joy us. You should come down
to coming Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
No, this is right. You don't You don't know this, guys,
but I actually I'm not kidding. Just started yoga yoga
every weekend.

Speaker 4 (30:31):
Let's dude, they're gonna have that day they're gonna have
the whole City Hall Plaza is gonna be filled with
yoga mats at one point.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
No, I'm not doing yoga and you just down with dog.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah you can't cop a plea, dude, you just said
you signed yoga.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
That's gonna be. That's a perfect birthday. That's gonna be
you right, some stories right themselves, So DamID. When is that.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
September seventeenth down City Hall Plaza. It's going to be
from or to eight pm.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
And that's a free event, free event.

Speaker 4 (31:02):
Just show up.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
So show up if you're in recovery or not, and
you can. I'll be there. I'll be speaking and saying
hi and everything. So awesome. All right, So we're gonna
record some commercials. Yes, uh, powero Recovery dot org for
anybody that needs help. You are a loved one and
also I wanted to ask you. So obviously we talk
a lot about Power of Recovery the Recovery Center, but
if people are looking for placement in sober living, you

(31:25):
also help with that too.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
Just call Power of Recovery you're looking for placement in dalk,
sober living, anything.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
We have the connection for you. Yeah, we can get
you anywhere you need to be.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Power Recovery dot org or damon the phone number.

Speaker 4 (31:38):
Seven eight one six two nine four six zero nine.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
I was gonna ask Maddie, but I was unsure.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I have a question.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Go ahead, okay.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
So sober living you pay it, you pay weekly? How
much is it a week for a bed? I can't
afford that.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
It's cheaper than what you pay now, much cheaper sober.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
I am sober. I mean I'm pretty so she actually is.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, yeah, I am so.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I'm a sober buddy at all.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Don't worry. Maddie already told you. It's a case by
case basic.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
I pop at Addie like once a month, but I'll
do it off.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
She'll get her she'll get her phantom tonsils out again.

Speaker 4 (32:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Yeah, it was winning. You don't get to worry about
her using anything or drinking anything. You gotta worry about
beating up the other girls.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
That actually makes a lot of sense, Yeah, it really does.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Do I have my own room?

Speaker 4 (32:21):
Yeah good, it's a little bit.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
Oh, I could do that.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
I could do that.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
This is a good option. You're always complaining about your
un I.

Speaker 3 (32:28):
Know I'm sober. I have never been in an attic.
But I literally don't do anything so great.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
There's some people that show up that that don't have
they need affordable housing.

Speaker 3 (32:39):
Really, I'm not like, I'm not all the rules. I
could do that.

Speaker 4 (32:43):
You'll have to You'll still have to follow the rules.
Like you said, there's some Maybe we don't want to
talk about supervised years. Maybe we do. I don't know
what you know.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
Okay, supervise YEARNS a week.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
I could do that.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
He wait, do you have like a like a boss
in each house?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
It's I like a man of.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
You as you can't if you have to come live
in the house first. We don't have to just take anybody.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Well, there's some training involved.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Yeah, we have a we have a search.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
We can have fun here, but we really take that
job when.

Speaker 4 (33:15):
It comes to the houses, it's super important.

Speaker 6 (33:17):
Imagine I honestly might drive them to go do drugs.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
You know, that's a I want to do a job
with me right now. That's a good point. All right, Well,
thank you guys, Paul Recovery dot Or. We love having
you and we'll have you back soon, maybe once a month.
People like it and you can always send questions for
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Speaker 3 (33:41):
Okay, I have so many every time you guys, I.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Want to see them, send them.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
But I'm saying I always have so many questions to
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Speaker 1 (33:47):
Myself, I'm so curious questions.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
I want to see you.

Speaker 3 (33:49):
Yeah, but I myself am curious because I hear stories
all the time. I'm over them, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
Some new content.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
I want new content. I want to know some new
you know this. The HIV one was great today.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
I appreciate. Can't continue with that.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, we covered the horrifying parts of the Honest to god,
She's wild, dude. Yeah, I'm glad you almost died. You
know you blindfold. It took a shot at a get
needs imagine. I work with her every day, but it
is crazy. Anyway, Thank you guys, and we'll talk tomorrow
on the after show. Bub