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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Our next guest here in the Mojo in the Morning
studios is in studio with us this morning and means
so much to me because without him, I'd be dead.
Isn't that interesting? Like you know, sometimes you sit there
and you say to yourself, You're like, oh, this person
means a lot to me, and all the person is
is somebody that maybe occasionally buys you a drink or something.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
This man saved my life.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Literally, yes, and I will tell you that his hospital
that he's at, which, by the way, all of our
listeners in not only the Metro to Trade area Toledo,
but also everybody on the west side of the state.
Michigan Medicine is where you want to go for your
heart health if you have any issues at all. Michigan Medisine.
And of course, now, oh this that's a good song.
This song is called a heart attack. This is a
(00:43):
perfect song for me. Please welcome my good friend doctor
Patel into the studio with us this morning. Doctor Patel,
who is the doctor that you want to go to
if you got in any kind of aortic aneurysm. This
is the guy you go to. And I learned that,
believe it or not from a competitive hospital. I learned
(01:04):
it when I went and did a consultation at Cleveland
Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic doctors said to me, did
you check out you have m And I'm like, boy,
this is kind of weird. It's kind of like going
to McDonald's and them telling you to go to Burger
King for the whopper, you know, And I'm like, why
are they doing this? And they said. The doctor said
to me, he goes, you got one of the best
there in your town. So and I went to doctor
Patel and the rest is all history. How are you,
(01:26):
doctor Petel? You doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Welcome to our studios. You were visited us at our
last studios. How much nicer is this place than the
last place?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Huh? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Very unique place, isn't it wild? It is?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Is that a good unique? Isn't it is? An interesting?
Like people when they come here, they're always like, wow,
this is kind of a well and then they come
in and they're like this is really interesting, like it's
the artistics stuff. But doctor Patel, I still can't believe it.
But it was two thousand and twenty one January thirteenth
(02:01):
that I had my surgery. It was a nine hour
procedure and my wife still talks about it because it
was COVID going on at that time, and she said
it was the longest nine hours of her life.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And for me, I don't remember a thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, that's the beautiful thing about anesthesia.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I know what I do.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Remember though, I remember cold Play playing as you guys
were wheeling me as it wasn't you as your people,
they were wheeling me into the operating room. I remember
seeing you in the operating room. It was cold as hell, Yes,
I mean it was what temperature do you guys keep
the operating.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Room at so when when we're actually doing the surgery,
it'll be in the low sixties.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Handle that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, well we were dressed. Yeah, We've got all kinds
of other stuff on what is.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
The reasoning for how cold it is? Why is that
so you guys don't fall asleep or what is it?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Actually, so when we stopped the heart, you we don't
want the ambient air to warm the heart. And so
one of the things that because the cold heart art
doesn't use as much nutrition, okay, and so when we're
not we're not giving it blood. Constantly, and so what
we actually do is we keep the environment cold and actually,
when you're on the heart language, can we cool your body.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Down a little bit?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It was wild and all I remember is my hand
my I was positioned in a weird way too. Like
that was another thing too, because when I woke up,
my shoulders were hurting.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Men, wasn't I was? Where was that? That was? That position?
Straight down?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Okay, it's a very uncomfortable bed.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's like really honestly, if you said to
me that's the bed I'm sleeping on, I'd be like,
give me a new hotel.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It was definitely painful.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But here's something to bring up and people don't even
when when I mentioned that I had this heart aneurysm,
that I had potential of having surgery on it, a
lot of people didn't even know you could have an
aneurysm in your heart, and it's it's a hidden killer
of a lot of people that are way younger than
even me. I've talked to twenty year olds that now
(04:00):
find out that they have an aneurism. I've talked to many,
many women and men who are our listeners that have
said that since the awareness of me talking about this.
It caused for them to go to their doctors and say, hey,
can I do a test so that I can get
checked out to see what's going on. And a lot
of people went and got calcium score tests and did
(04:21):
all kinds of stuff. I'd ask you preventative wise, one
of the biggest things is your blood pressure, right, just
making sure you don't ealivate blood pressure.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yes, so blood pressure is always important for multiple reasons,
but particularly if you've got an aneurysm, no smoking. And
then the one thing that I think is sometimes forgotten
is if somebody has a family history of an ant caniurism,
there's about a twenty percent chance their first degree relatives
will actually have it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh, which can I tell you?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Can I tell you you were the reason why my
whole family has gotten checked out and my kids are
getting checked out. But my brothers and sisters, and out
of the six of us siblings, three of.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Us are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, half of us have have some form of like
my two sisters.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Luckily, there's is.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
A small is smaller than what mine was to have
to have the surgery, but eventually one day they might
have to have that same surgery.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
If they get tested after you've thought out of me.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Wow, yeah, And I forced everybody to go do it
because to me there and this is something that U
of M is really big on. Michigan medicine is big on.
You know, a lot of things happen hereditary. You know
they're in they have you put me in touch with
people in a special department that actually tested me out,
which was awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Doctor Patel.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
If this, if it is not hereditary, excuse me. I
don't have anybody in my family who's ever had in
ortic aneurysm or you know, any heart issues. What are
though I'm a forty two year old female, what are
signs or symptoms that I should absolutely go get checked
for anything related to my heart?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
So you know, unfortunately, there are no signs or symptoms
unless something bad happens generally okay, or if it involves
the area where the aortic valve sits and the valve
is dysfunctional, and so people can get shortness of breath
or chest pains for different reasons, but most of the
time it's actually doesn't cause any symptoms, and and patients
(06:16):
are often very, very shocked that they have this diagnosis.
So for example, you know, you had this probably for
years it was growing inside of you, and it was
probably only incidentally found because you were you know, people
are looking for for other things.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Women always are the ones that we don't.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
We talk to so many women every morning, and I
want you to know that this week, Michigan Medicine and
Mojo in the Morning, we're going to you know, celebrate
the fact that it is heart month, but we're going
to celebrate the fact that we want women to become
more aware of their health. So many times, Shannon, somebody
of your age with two young kids like you will
look at you're just tired, or you know, you've got
a busy life, or the symptoms might be I got
(07:00):
I got you know, these headaches all the time, but
I get migraines all the time because my kids are
a pain in the ass, you know stuff, and a
lot of times they will discount everything until it becomes
something that they have to go in for or God forbid,
they die from it. And I think that we need
to make it more of an awareness factor that you
have to look for signs, but also you've got to
talk to your you know, primary cares and say to
(07:21):
your primary cares, hey, I want to be proactive with
and comes to this.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, So if particularly if you get older, if you've
got a smoking history, if there's definitely if there's a
family history, these aneurysms can happen anywhere in the A order,
which spans the whole body. It's the main highway for
blood and so there if you're older, for example, and
you're a smoker, particularly the abdominally order may be at risk.
(07:46):
And there's ultrasound screening that is relatively straightforward and easy
to do and that you may qualify for. So absolutely
talking to your primary care doctors is really really crucial.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
For those that are listening to us on WSNX number
one in West Michigan, will you tell them the great
news that you guys have been out there for a bit.
I think some people don't even realize that Michigan medicine
has the ability to be able to do heart health
for you out there.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Where's that at?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
So three years ago we started the newest open heart
program in the state of Michigan at University of Michigan
Health West. And it's a unique program because it's a
collaboration between Michigan Medicine and Trinity Health for the hospitals
on the west side of the state, and our cardiac
surgery faculty actually functioned both at the Trinity Hospital as
(08:39):
well as University of Michigan Health West and Grand Rapids,
and we're proud to say that the outcomes have been excellent.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
We have good partnerships out.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
There, and they're obviously tied to the Franco Cardiovascular Center,
which coincidentally is celebrating it's twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And that amazing which I'm celebrating my twenty three.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, so Mojo on the Morning celebrated in a twenty
fifth anniversary Doctor Portel, to you, to the Frankel family,
to all the people that are working at the FRANKL
Cardiovascular Center, thank you, Thank you for making us more aware.
Thank you for making and I hope that I'm a
good mouthpiece for you for giving me the ability to
be a mouthpiece for you guys, because I shout your
(09:20):
guys' names, you know, from the rafters, and I talk
about doctor I called doctor Petel's nurse Mary all the.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Time, or he got to help me.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I got a friend, or or you know, or Chris,
I call Chris Chris, I need an appointment for somebody.
So you guys have saved so many people that I
love and me number one, I.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Think it's been a pleasure taking care of you.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And I hope you guys, I hope you guys never
have to be ever seen by him. But as I
said to Juwan Howard, who's one of your patients back
in after his surgery, who you operated also on, I
said to him, I go, how does it feel to
know that you had the best of the best? And
he I mean literally thank he was a coach at
u of M at the time that he was a coach,
(10:02):
he got to actually be there and be part, be
so close.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
So I got to say, it's not just me, right,
the people at the University of Michigan, the nurses, the
people who participate in patient care or the absolute best.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And we couldn't do what we do without him.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's a team.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, is a team.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
It really is real quick because I love what I do.
I feel like this is using my voice. I feel
like God gave me the ability to do that, and
I feel like I'm operating in purpose, but you literally
are operating. How does it feel to like save people's lives, Like,
is that what you feel like is you're calling?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
What is that like?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, so it's I mean, I'm very grateful for this opportunity.
Very few people have the chance to help patients or
people get feel better. And out of everything that I've
ever done, it's you know, this doesn't feel like a
job to me, but it's it's just it's something that's
very different and very special, and I'm very grateful to
be able to.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Do it with the people that I do it with.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But this guy is a special guy. He really is.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Listen, when I first met him, I'm like, oh, you know,
he's a smart doctor or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I was like, very excited about this.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Now I've gotten to know him personally and see that
he's a family man. He's a he cares about every
single person that walks through that door.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You can see it in his eyes.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
He's amazing, and he likes wine, and he likes to
travel and always win.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Good for your heart. After Patel tell me more, it
is in very small co
Our next guest here in the Mojo in the Morning
studios is in studio with us this morning and means
so much to me because without him, I'd be dead.
Isn't that interesting? Like you know, sometimes you sit there
and you say to yourself, You're like, oh, this person
means a lot to me, and all the person is
is somebody that maybe occasionally buys you a drink or something.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
This man saved my life.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Literally, yes, and I will tell you that his hospital
that he's at, which, by the way, all of our
listeners in not only the Metro to Trade area Toledo,
but also everybody on the west side of the state.
Michigan Medicine is where you want to go for your
heart health if you have any issues at all. Michigan Medisine.
And of course, now, oh this that's a good song.
This song is called a heart attack. This is a
(00:43):
perfect song for me. Please welcome my good friend doctor
Patel into the studio with us this morning. Doctor Patel,
who is the doctor that you want to go to
if you got in any kind of aortic aneurysm. This
is the guy you go to. And I learned that,
believe it or not from a competitive hospital. I learned
(01:04):
it when I went and did a consultation at Cleveland
Clinic and the Cleveland Clinic doctors said to me, did
you check out you have m And I'm like, boy,
this is kind of weird. It's kind of like going
to McDonald's and them telling you to go to Burger
King for the whopper, you know, And I'm like, why
are they doing this? And they said. The doctor said
to me, he goes, you got one of the best
there in your town. So and I went to doctor
Patel and the rest is all history. How are you,
(01:26):
doctor Petel? You doing good?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
I'm doing great. Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Welcome to our studios. You were visited us at our
last studios. How much nicer is this place than the
last place?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Huh? Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Very unique place, isn't it wild? It is?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Is that a good unique? Isn't it is? An interesting?
Like people when they come here, they're always like, wow,
this is kind of a well and then they come
in and they're like this is really interesting, like it's
the artistics stuff. But doctor Patel, I still can't believe it.
But it was two thousand and twenty one January thirteenth
(02:01):
that I had my surgery. It was a nine hour
procedure and my wife still talks about it because it
was COVID going on at that time, and she said
it was the longest nine hours of her life.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
And for me, I don't remember a thing, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Yeah, that's the beautiful thing about anesthesia.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
I know what I do.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Remember though, I remember cold Play playing as you guys
were wheeling me as it wasn't you as your people,
they were wheeling me into the operating room. I remember
seeing you in the operating room. It was cold as hell, Yes,
I mean it was what temperature do you guys keep
the operating.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
Room at so when when we're actually doing the surgery,
it'll be in the low sixties.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
Handle that.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, well we were dressed. Yeah, We've got all kinds
of other stuff on what is.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
The reasoning for how cold it is? Why is that
so you guys don't fall asleep or what is it?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Actually, so when we stopped the heart, you we don't
want the ambient air to warm the heart. And so
one of the things that because the cold heart art
doesn't use as much nutrition, okay, and so when we're
not we're not giving it blood. Constantly, and so what
we actually do is we keep the environment cold and actually,
when you're on the heart language, can we cool your body.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Down a little bit?
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Wow?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
It was wild and all I remember is my hand
my I was positioned in a weird way too. Like
that was another thing too, because when I woke up,
my shoulders were hurting.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Men, wasn't I was? Where was that? That was? That position?
Straight down?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Okay, it's a very uncomfortable bed.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, yeah, it's like really honestly, if you said to
me that's the bed I'm sleeping on, I'd be like,
give me a new hotel.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
It was definitely painful.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
But here's something to bring up and people don't even
when when I mentioned that I had this heart aneurysm,
that I had potential of having surgery on it, a
lot of people didn't even know you could have an
aneurysm in your heart, and it's it's a hidden killer
of a lot of people that are way younger than
even me. I've talked to twenty year olds that now
(04:00):
find out that they have an aneurism. I've talked to many,
many women and men who are our listeners that have
said that since the awareness of me talking about this.
It caused for them to go to their doctors and say, hey,
can I do a test so that I can get
checked out to see what's going on. And a lot
of people went and got calcium score tests and did
(04:21):
all kinds of stuff. I'd ask you preventative wise, one
of the biggest things is your blood pressure, right, just
making sure you don't ealivate blood pressure.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Yes, so blood pressure is always important for multiple reasons,
but particularly if you've got an aneurysm, no smoking. And
then the one thing that I think is sometimes forgotten
is if somebody has a family history of an ant caniurism,
there's about a twenty percent chance their first degree relatives
will actually have it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Oh, which can I tell you?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Can I tell you you were the reason why my
whole family has gotten checked out and my kids are
getting checked out. But my brothers and sisters, and out
of the six of us siblings, three of.
Speaker 5 (04:58):
Us are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, half of us have have some form of like
my two sisters.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Luckily, there's is.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
A small is smaller than what mine was to have
to have the surgery, but eventually one day they might
have to have that same surgery.
Speaker 6 (05:12):
If they get tested after you've thought out of me.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Wow, yeah, And I forced everybody to go do it
because to me there and this is something that U
of M is really big on. Michigan medicine is big on.
You know, a lot of things happen hereditary. You know
they're in they have you put me in touch with
people in a special department that actually tested me out,
which was awesome.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Doctor Patel.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
If this, if it is not hereditary, excuse me. I
don't have anybody in my family who's ever had in
ortic aneurysm or you know, any heart issues. What are
though I'm a forty two year old female, what are
signs or symptoms that I should absolutely go get checked
for anything related to my heart?
Speaker 4 (05:54):
So you know, unfortunately, there are no signs or symptoms
unless something bad happens generally okay, or if it involves
the area where the aortic valve sits and the valve
is dysfunctional, and so people can get shortness of breath
or chest pains for different reasons, but most of the
time it's actually doesn't cause any symptoms, and and patients
(06:16):
are often very, very shocked that they have this diagnosis.
So for example, you know, you had this probably for
years it was growing inside of you, and it was
probably only incidentally found because you were you know, people
are looking for for other things.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Women always are the ones that we don't.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
We talk to so many women every morning, and I
want you to know that this week, Michigan Medicine and
Mojo in the Morning, we're going to you know, celebrate
the fact that it is heart month, but we're going
to celebrate the fact that we want women to become
more aware of their health. So many times, Shannon, somebody
of your age with two young kids like you will
look at you're just tired, or you know, you've got
a busy life, or the symptoms might be I got
(07:00):
I got you know, these headaches all the time, but
I get migraines all the time because my kids are
a pain in the ass, you know stuff, and a
lot of times they will discount everything until it becomes
something that they have to go in for or God forbid,
they die from it. And I think that we need
to make it more of an awareness factor that you
have to look for signs, but also you've got to
talk to your you know, primary cares and say to
(07:21):
your primary cares, hey, I want to be proactive with
and comes to this.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Yeah, So if particularly if you get older, if you've
got a smoking history, if there's definitely if there's a
family history, these aneurysms can happen anywhere in the A order,
which spans the whole body. It's the main highway for
blood and so there if you're older, for example, and
you're a smoker, particularly the abdominally order may be at risk.
(07:46):
And there's ultrasound screening that is relatively straightforward and easy
to do and that you may qualify for. So absolutely
talking to your primary care doctors is really really crucial.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
For those that are listening to us on WSNX number
one in West Michigan, will you tell them the great
news that you guys have been out there for a bit.
I think some people don't even realize that Michigan medicine
has the ability to be able to do heart health
for you out there.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Where's that at?
Speaker 4 (08:16):
So three years ago we started the newest open heart
program in the state of Michigan at University of Michigan
Health West. And it's a unique program because it's a
collaboration between Michigan Medicine and Trinity Health for the hospitals
on the west side of the state, and our cardiac
surgery faculty actually functioned both at the Trinity Hospital as
(08:39):
well as University of Michigan Health West and Grand Rapids,
and we're proud to say that the outcomes have been excellent.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
We have good partnerships out.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
There, and they're obviously tied to the Franco Cardiovascular Center,
which coincidentally is celebrating it's twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
And that amazing which I'm celebrating my twenty three.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Yeah, so Mojo on the Morning celebrated in a twenty
fifth anniversary Doctor Portel, to you, to the Frankel family,
to all the people that are working at the FRANKL
Cardiovascular Center, thank you, Thank you for making us more aware.
Thank you for making and I hope that I'm a
good mouthpiece for you for giving me the ability to
be a mouthpiece for you guys, because I shout your
(09:20):
guys' names, you know, from the rafters, and I talk
about doctor I called doctor Petel's nurse Mary all the.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Time, or he got to help me.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
I got a friend, or or you know, or Chris,
I call Chris Chris, I need an appointment for somebody.
So you guys have saved so many people that I
love and me number one, I.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Think it's been a pleasure taking care of you.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
And I hope you guys, I hope you guys never
have to be ever seen by him. But as I
said to Juwan Howard, who's one of your patients back
in after his surgery, who you operated also on, I
said to him, I go, how does it feel to
know that you had the best of the best? And
he I mean literally thank he was a coach at
u of M at the time that he was a coach,
(10:02):
he got to actually be there and be part, be
so close.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
So I got to say, it's not just me, right,
the people at the University of Michigan, the nurses, the
people who participate in patient care or the absolute best.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And we couldn't do what we do without him.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
It's a team.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Yeah, is a team.
Speaker 6 (10:17):
It really is real quick because I love what I do.
I feel like this is using my voice. I feel
like God gave me the ability to do that, and
I feel like I'm operating in purpose, but you literally
are operating. How does it feel to like save people's lives, Like,
is that what you feel like is you're calling?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
What is that like?
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, so it's I mean, I'm very grateful for this opportunity.
Very few people have the chance to help patients or
people get feel better. And out of everything that I've
ever done, it's you know, this doesn't feel like a
job to me, but it's it's just it's something that's
very different and very special, and I'm very grateful to
be able to.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Do it with the people that I do it with.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But this guy is a special guy. He really is.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Listen, when I first met him, I'm like, oh, you know,
he's a smart doctor or whatever.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
I was like, very excited about this.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Now I've gotten to know him personally and see that
he's a family man. He's a he cares about every
single person that walks through that door.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
You can see it in his eyes.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
It's awesome.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
He's amazing, and he likes wine, and he likes to
travel and always win.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Good for your heart. After Patel tell me more, it
is in very small co
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