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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's Mojo in the morning show. We love that you
listen to this show for many many reasons, but one
of the greatest honors is when people will say that
they listen to this show because they understand that we
try to give you are all. We try to talk
about everything that happens in our lives and you feel
like you can relate well. This morning here on the
show probably one of the more personal moments you'll ever
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hear on this radio show. And it's titled in his topics,
It's time, meaning that now is the time that he
wants to talk about it. And it's been going on
for a little bit, but Kevin, I'm gonna give you
the floor and it is all yours, all right.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I don't know how to start, but for a long
time I've I've had like the weight of truth on me,
and I feel like you kind of say, I'm going
to figure out when it's the right time to say something,
or I'll know when it's the right time to communicate,
or you hope that you receive this clarity or this
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feeling where it feels like now is the moment that
I'm ready, And I always feel like that moment never
really comes or it doesn't come in the way that
you think it will come, so you don't know what
it looks like. But over a year ago, Schrelle and
I were going through a rough patch. We separated for
a little bit of time, a few weeks, and during
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that time, she conceived a child with someone else. And
the child that y'all saw me have a gender reveal
for it, that y'all saw me on the news, for
the child that I grew to love and come to
know and understand and appreciate and call my own, in fact,
was not my biological daughter. And that sucked, for lack
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of a better term, the hardest truth that I think
I've ever heard a lot of pain, a lot of
anger at times. But we are now in a season
where you know, I'm not fully over it or fully healed.
I still have my days, but I'm at a place
now where I can talk about it.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
So that's that's what happened. Wow, Can I ask you
some questions?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I knew you would, and I know the answers to
many of these questions, but I just want figure the
listeners are gonna probably want to know, is that the
reason why you and Churrell ended up, splitting up.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's not the ultimate reason.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
There are other things that factored around that situation. It's
not the end all br reason, but it is a
huge reason, yes, that we are together.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Did you did you have any intuition about this?
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
No, I had zero. I had zero intuition. I had
zero intuition.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I made jokes, you know, just based on the color
of our scan and the color of the child scan.
But never in my mind did I ever think that
that baby wasn't mine. Yeah, I thought, you know, she
looked just like my grandmother in certain instances. She looked
just like her mom in certain instances. So never in
my mind did I ever think that that was a
possibility until until it was.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
So you went through the entire pregnancy and obviously the
birth of the baby. We shared it with our listeners
and everything, thinking that that baby was your And how
soon after Journey was born.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
So she was born in November, and then we had
a conversation that next June.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Okay, so it's about six or so months, six or
seven months.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
Yeah, how did Josiah handle the news that this baby
sister that he thought was his baby sister is not
really his baby sister?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
So that was a that was a very tough conversation
to have, and it was a very tough moment of
me actually being like trying to figure out how to
tell him. And I honestly think some of it was
I didn't want it to be true, Like the thought
of even articulating that or understanding that was something I
was so far away from. I did not want that
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to be my reality. And I think I prolonged telling
him because articulated getting telling him made it real. And
so I had her, came into his room, he was
on his computer playing roadblocks or whatever, set her on
my lap and I'm like, Joe, I got to tell
you something. And he turned around and was like the
bag not yours. And I was like no. He's like, wait,
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are you serious? And I'm like yeah, And you could
kind of see that.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Was his personality. That was his personality.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I don't think anybody had any I mean I had
become distant in the house, you know, not only distant
from our relationship, but distant from the child as well.
Joe is a very intuitive individual. I think that maybe
he picked that up and he sensed that. I think
every joke, no matter who tells it or what the
joke is has some symbolism of truth layered in there.
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But yeah, and I could see his the breath leave
his body also like I could see like a but yeah,
you know he was in therapy. I was in therapy
and he's cool.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Now, what's your relationship with Journey now? It is the
one that's not my child. I don't have a relationship
with her. How does that affect you? Not a lot.
I'm gonna be completely honest with not a lot. How
long did it take for you to feel that way?
It took a.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
While, Like I remember initially. It's so crazy and one
thing that I want to be extremely clear about. I
talked to Cherill yesterday and told her this was something
that I was going to bring up, So I'm not
I didn't want to blindside her. I don't have any
hatred or ill will towards Sheril. I think initially I did.
I was in pain, I was angry. You want somebody
to blame, and we both have fought in certain situations.
So I'm not utilizing this platform to dispiriture character. Scherill
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is an amazing person. She's an amazing woman. She's an
amazing mother, and I hope that that is what's highlighted,
not our lowest moment, so to speak. I want to
be clear in saying that, what's your question? The question
that Anna asked was about journeying what your relationship is? Oh, yeah, no,
I'm not her father. I don't have a I don't
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have a relationship with her mom. I don't have a
relationship with her.
Speaker 5 (05:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yeah, But you know what the craziest thing was, Like
I want to say, maybe a day or two or
sometime within that week I found out was Journey's first word,
her first words? Where dad at that? That was a
moment that like killed me because because you knew at
that time, Yeah, I knew at that time.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
I didn't have the test results at that time, so
we had I have been noticing, but you had a
feeling though at that time. Well, Scherilla and I had
a conversation at that time. I've been noticing a distance
in Sharill for like a couple of days or a
couple of weeks, that it was a couple of days,
and trying to understand what was creating this distance, what
was she dealing with? And just see something was wrong,
and you know, she kind of put it off. I
don't want to talk, and then came home one day,
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made like some cold garlic brigs I'm nice with that,
had like some little salmon sandwiches, put them out on
our balcony, got her favorite wine, and then sat down
and like, man, let's talk, like, let's have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
What's going on.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
And that's when she told me what happened and the
potential that it wasn't And I kind of just sat
there and was like, Okay, well let's find out. And
then you know, you actually get the test and you
fully find out an understanding.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So when she told you that, and again we got
We do need to give Charrell the most fairness in
this one here, because she has a wonderful person. She's
a wonderful mother. Absolutely in fairness, you guys, at the
time Babe, that journey was conceived, we're not together at correct,
we were separated. So you guys were separated at that time.
So and this is interesting because of this is where
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we all you know, know that this has been a
thing that has been kind of kept quiet for the
longest time. Kevin Cherrell came to Chelsea and I when
this was going on and brought to us that this
way y'all.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Y'all invited us over for dinner. We was in there
key key and laughing, and we went on the back
and he's like, all right, what's going on?
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Y'all showed up differently. We were shopping for wedding rings.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Chelsea can say that the environment and I want to say,
you know, apologize to to Fran and everybody at Lucido
because I'm thinking were about to get married and then
all of this happened in the middle of it, so
that kind of broke whatever we had going on with that.
But Chelsea could see that Cherill wasn't as happy during
that moment, and me trying to save face and like,
I don't really know at that time. I didn't have
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the results at that time, so I didn't you know.
At that point, I'm like, well, if she isn't clearly
almost stay which you were going to live the life
that we planned, prayed and dreamed about. But at that time,
when we're trying on wedding rings, I had just found
out the day before that this was even a possibility.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
I did not know that that was the timing there.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, And I want to say this that I thought
you guys were you handled everything, the breakup and everything
really well. I know that this is tough for you
it but really tough for her too, tough for your
mom because your mom and your sister and family have
grown you know, so close. But the hardest part for
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me watching you go through this was we would talk
on the radio about, you know, Kevin being a father
and he would only talk about Josiah and you would
see text messages come through and there were some people
that called and tried to say get on the air,
but we didn't have them on the air saying why
do you never mentioned Journey? And then it started becoming
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a situation where like keV sounds like a bad dad.
And the one thing that I know more than anything
about you, you are the most proud of being a
father Like that to you is the greatest thing ever.
So it had to be tough for you when you
would see listeners say something like why is Kevin not
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ever talking about Journey?
Speaker 3 (09:20):
And was it tough for you to not necessarily.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah, I mean I'm not gonna stand here like my
boy Nipsey saying try to like produce this ultimate poise
or courage or confidence like it it mattered, but it
didn't like I read it. It's not something that ever
stuck with me because I know my truth. I know
the reality, and people who aren't close to the sun
or don't have the full picture, and we'll never have
the full picture. I can't really get lost in those
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sex messages. And I also feel like, you know, I
went through a period of like shame, went through a
period of embarrassment. How could this happen to me? Sometimes
you think like cause growing up, I never like you
hear these stories. But sometimes you be like dog, like
that's not gonna be my story, Like that can't be me.
And I think when I put like it's time is
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because you know, like for me in particular, every morning, Bro,
I got this thing that I pray put my hands
on my walls, like God grant me the ability to
inspire people, grant me to opportunity to inspire people, grant
me to fear listening the charism matter what stage I'm on.
And I've always asked God to use me. Sometimes when
God use you, it'll be in the worst way that
you think possible. And oftentimes when I've saw myself being
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used quote unquote, it's been in the best way possible. Oh,
it's gonna be on the MODI in the morning show,
it's gonna be hosting a Pistons game. Well, maybe having
this platform, my life may need to look a little
messy in order for me to either have more empathy
towards the subject or be able to speak to a
population of people that aren't being spoken to right now.
So I'm finally finally out of place bro where it's like,
you know what, don't never be ashamed of your story
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of what you've gone through.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
It makes you who you are.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And I'm comfortable with who I am.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
And for those Jeter, just tune in right now because
of you might have caught this in the middle of this.
Kevin just announced on the air just a couple of
minutes ago that the baby that many of our listeners
had known that Kevin and Charell had journey is not
his child and how he found out about it, And
if you want to learn more, you can go back
and listen to the podcast when and this is posted.
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But I give you a lot of credit for holding
this until the moment was right because I think most guys,
including myself, would probably go, I just want everybody to
know that I'm not a bad day, Like I would
honestly think that to myself.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Like, but that's what speaks volumes about you and who
you are, was that you cared about everybody who was
involved in this, especially Charrell.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Yeah, listen, I do I love Sharil. I care about Sharil.
I do not want this to look like I'm bashing her,
calling her out, like Sharill is an amazing person, Like,
it's not like she cheated on me. We were separated
for a little bit and asked when this happened?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Is this something that.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, Kayla, what's up? It's Mojo in the morning.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Hi.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Well, first of.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
All, I wanted to sell Kevin. I was so sorry
what happened to him. But I caught onto this many
many months ago. I knew right away when he stopped
talking about Journey that there was a hair in the butter,
and I kind of guessed that probably Journey wasn't his.
But I bet there's a lot of people. I'm glad
he brought it up because a lot of the listeners
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probably do owe him a little bit of an apology
because they were probably you know, really coming down on
him by only talking about Joe.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
And you know, listen, I think that the people that
will say stuff and try to judge somebody, or typical
people that are going to say stuff and just try
to judge somebody. There were some comments that were in
there that honestly I deleted them as listeners to be
able to text into the show because in Lydia did
the same thing too, because I don't even want them
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to listen to us or.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
Be able to text us.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So in Kayla your intuition, a lot of people are
calling up with that same thing. I kind of had
this intuition that something was going on because it all
kind of tied back to each other. But thank you
for calling in at least admitting.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I'm glad.
Speaker 5 (13:17):
I mean, I'm glad he let the listeners know his truth.
You know, I'm glad he let us know that because
we do care about you guys all on the show,
and you know, learning that information makes it easier to
understand why he's only talking about his one child.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Yeah, thank you for the call. Appreciate it. Rachel, what's up.
It's moje on the morning.
Speaker 7 (13:39):
Hey, I just want to tell you, Kevin, that I
owe you the biggest apology for being judgmental to your struggle.
At time, I had idea that this was your truth,
and I assume, like a lot of other people, I
just made judgments that weren't fair to you and caused
me to just not like you and I that's not
fair to you. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I appreciate you for saying that, and hopefully, as people
may have the same perspective that you're gaining right now,
hopefully we can extend that same reality to everybody we
come into contact with, because everybody has a story and
it's not always what you see on the surface.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
Jess wants to talk about this because Jess's situation happened
to one of your loved ones.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
Is that your name, Jess? Or Am I not talking
to you? Jess?
Speaker 6 (14:28):
I'm sorry I was on you.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Oh there you go? OK, all right, I've done that before,
I've muted the phone. What's going on?
Speaker 6 (14:35):
I'm grown up listening to you guys. So first off,
I just want to say, keV, I appreciate you being
so vulnerable with the audience, like it just it took me,
like it took my breath away to hear you talk
about this.
Speaker 3 (14:50):
I've moved and then I recently.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
Moved back, and you know, just listening to you guys again,
I've recently, you know, learned more about TeV. So just
hearing him be authentic, very vulnerable, that just touched my heart.
But it really touched my heart because this same thing
just happened to my brother recently. And it's funny because
it was my mom's intuition. So my mom was the
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one that she just had a she just like she
wouldn't say it to my brother, but she had an
inkling and she would say things to my sisters and
I about the baby and about my brother's ex wife
and how she just really didn't think that the baby
was his. But she never said anything to him. She
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wanted to let him kind of come to that decision
on his own to get a test, and over time
he started to put pieces together and he ended up
getting a test about two years later, and unfortunately the
baby wasn't his. And I think it's interesting, Mojo, because
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you also you also said, you know, like, well, what's
your relationship with the baby now? And you know, I
think keV just point blanks that you know, there isn't one,
and unfortunately I have to agree with that. It's it's
it's sad, But I don't think the onus should be
on TeV or you know, someone like my brother to
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have a relationship with a child that's not theirs.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
How early was was it that your brother found out
about again?
Speaker 6 (16:27):
It was like two and a half years.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Okay, two and a half years is a long time,
and let me ask I want to ask Kevin that question.
If this happened so soon, if two and a half
years into a parenting and being a father, would it
have been tougher.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
I don't know if that would have been I don't
know if for sure, you know, more time, there's you know,
more experiences in a relationship, love deep in souls, harden
in the right way.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
I don't know. I can't really answer that, Ques you're
not in that situation. I guess yeah, but I would.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
The relationship between her mom and I may not have existed,
but maybe there would have been a relationship with you
daughter your Does your mom still see journey?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
The last time she said, I know she still textes
Cherrell and get pictures on all alims very very close.
Doesn't make you feel that your mom still has That
was one of the things that I communicated early on,
like whether it was my mom, whether it was my
cousins or my sister, Like I didn't want them to
feel like they had to pick a side because I'm
not only I'm not the only one that's affected by it,
you know what I'm saying. They was at the hospital
too when the baby was born. It was watching them
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and change diapers. Like, I can't expect you to just
remove any emotional attachment that you have to this beautiful job,
just as like, I'm on your side. So I communicated,
do what y'all want to do?
Speaker 3 (17:47):
So good with me?
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, buddy, this is a big info. This is a
lot to let out. You seem emotional. I can see
the tears a little bit in your eyes, and I
heard your voice crack a little bit.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I'm proud of you because I know that this has
been something that you've wanted to let go of and
get off your chest. And it's not easy. It's not
easy to come in here every day not feeling like
yourself because you feel like you've got a quote unquote
secret that doesn't allow that to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
I'm tired of.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Lying to people Like it's been through a period where
you know, you don't want to tell the truth. So
when people come up and they're like, how's journey, you
kind of got to be like, oh, she's doing good,
but inside you dying. You dying every time somebody bring
her up. Man, I'm blessed to be at the position
I am now. But again, it's you know, I have
my days. Do you still have pictures of like the
birth and everything like that. Yeah, I'm not a person
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like that delete stuff. Yeah, Like I'm like, stuffer pop
up on my phone, Like my Instagram still got everything
that had it at that time. Like it's a part
of my life. Man, I'm not trying to erase that
part of my life, but I am trying to move forward.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Well, one thing I do know for a fact is
that I know we all believe this that God puts
us in situations at the moment because of he believes
that we can handle those situations through through you know, him,
his guidance. Here's a silver There is a reason that
you were there for this birth of this baby.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
It really is in my in my mind.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
So with Josiah, his mother and I did not have
a great relationship. I did not even know that like
he was my child until he was actually born. So
I missed the entire pregnancy period. I miss being in
the delivery room. I missed a month of his life,
or maybe two months of his life. And there's such
a blessing that I was able to receive being there
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through the entire pregnancy and having every single day maybe
missing maybe one appointment or whatever the case may be,
and being there in that delivery room, Like God blessed
me with that opportunity. And I don't ignore that that's
an opportunity that not many people have access to. So
I'm very appreciative of the experience that I had and
not really dwelling on what I didn't have, being appreciative
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of what I was blessed with.
Speaker 3 (19:52):
And that's what I could take away.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Wow, that's that's awesome and beautiful that that that's case. Also,
I think that You're relationship with Josiah's mom probably grew
stronger too during this time.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I mean, when you go through stuff, you pull closer
to family. Yeah, all right, Kevin, Kevin, Kevin never an easy,
dull moment with you.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
I tell you, beg all right.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
You feel better, You feel like you've left to got
a weight off your shoulder for sure.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Tired of carrying that around.
Speaker 5 (20:22):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
All Right, I'm I'm very happy for you, all right,
Mojo in the morning,