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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome back to Eve's Sports Radio. April twenty eight, twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yes it is Derby Week.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yes it is Monday, and it's a beautiful day at
the backside of Churchill Downs. Of course, I'm always sitting
in one of Lee Wagner's restaurants. I just think I
own property in here, even though I don't, but Lee
allows me to think that I do. I'm at the
backside of the track at Wagner's restaurant. It's hustle bustle
this morning. When Anthony and this Whyn Blackburn we arrived here.
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You can reach down and touch the horses from the restaurant.
They're so close. It's unbelievable how close this restaurant is
to the actual third turn at Churchill Downs.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But welcome back to the show. It is Monday.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Phone numbers five zero, two, five seven, one, seventy nine hundred.
This is Eve's Sports Radio seven ninety kr D. We
have Shannon the Dude behind the glass. Thank you Shennon
and of course we've got all you all listening. And
what a beautiful more me at Churchill Down. Anthony, welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'm doing great this morning? I'm glad you're hyping yourself up,
telling you that you own property here, and then you
try to pull out and say that the credentials we
got were just all completely up to him, just and
this going and I didn't know work whatsoever to get
to this point.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I don't know how I feel about that blatant level
of disrespect. In four K, we don't accept.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That around here.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm setting you know that right now, okay. And from
the one that got the credentials didn't even know where
to go to the credentials, I'm look. I found all
the sweet spots because I actually read the back of
my pass and unlike somebody over here who just walks
around and doesn't know where to go, I found the
hidden gyms, all the places to go to, the walk
round Winter's Circle, you know, for my dad, for be
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the smartest guy I know. Sometimes it scared me with
the with the with the i Q choices. It looked
like me.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So Joe George, I know you, George George, you love
that start.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
George George, the man speaks the tooth Jack. I can
agree with the tooth.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I told you you to a stupid.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
And you thought I was joking about your dead. Now
you've been on the show for a while. Now you
see why I go with it. You see it now,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
You gotta sometimes you gotta be there to see it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Sometimes you might know the stove was hoigh, but you
don't know until you touch it.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
There.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Hey, George, and you've been coming here for thirty years.
But I still claim to George. I don't care. I
claim things. I claim Lee's restaurant. I claimed George your press.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Come on, George, and you're scared the horses and I'm
scared of horses.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You hit that on the head, George.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
We're getting ready to walk around very close to them
all week. But I am frightening the horses.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Everyone knows the guys. Everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Welcome back, George, up in back, beautiful time out here.
I'm sure I'll see you, George. We're gonna We're gonna
just start walking at the seven thirty mark when they
bring out the Derby and Oaks horses at the seven
forty five mark, we will be right there, George. Will
I always see you. So I'm looking forward to seeing
you again today. But here's the deal, George and Anthony.
We've got a big show tomorrow when everybody understand at
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Wagner's on the front side, now at the backside, the
front side, we'll have giveaways. We'll have money giveaways. We've
got all the trainers coming. We've got Bill Romans, Ken mcpet,
Greg Foley, Darren Rodgers, Mark Johnson, myself.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
George, We've got everybody and everybody that comes through Wagoners.
We'll have food. We're gonna have a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So make sure that everybody makes it out tomorrow morning
at Wagners.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Of course, Lee Wagner will be there. George.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Don't tell him, I claim his restaurants. George, just don't
tell him. Man keep up between us.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I got Anthony, I won't will.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Oh, I bus see. In all my defense, you know
I can sit to make the excuse. I know who
we wagoner is, but I've never met him, so I
can walk by the broad daylight. I wouldn't say a
word because I don't know what he looks like.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
George, George, So when he when he from, I don't
know who? Who told you? Without doubt.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So George and Jerry, no question, we're gonna We've got
to get into the show, and we're gonna talk a
lot about the horses, and we're going to try to
explain the experience that we're going to have as we're
walking from the restaurant. Lee's backside restaurant, lead Wagoners toward
the paddock areas, right, George, so everybody can understand the
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smell that tastes. It's different back here. Yeah, but George,
we gotta talk about what happened in the draft.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Can you uh, can you? When you said the front side,
you mean the original Leeds rest, I mean Wagoner's restaurant.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
The front side. They can't get to the backside.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
You can't get to without credentials or being a horse trainer,
a jockey, or someone who works on the backside. The
front the true original Lee's Pharmacy, where his dad and
grandfather started, is where we'll have the show tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Exactly. Yep. Okay, great call, Thank you, So guys, you're welcome.
Here's what we've got. We got the draft. And yes,
a lot like a lot of.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
People said the Schor Sanders subject kidnapped the entire NFL draft,
and it did.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It did.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
And I did allude to last week that I thought
that some of I would say, I'm gonna say antics,
but I'm gonna I'm going to prove to people that
things aren't the same.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
When people always want to say they are, I'm gonna
prove to them they're not the same.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
George, as you well know, But that Dion's antics not
his son.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That Dion's antics may have a little to do with
his son's draft position.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Like every analyst on TV, everyrochrastinator that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Does this, no one had him a fifth round. No one.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So let's just get that understanding. This is the first
time since it's been on television.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
They analyzed that. ESPN said no one had it going
into the front. No one, So let's just get that
point blank, no one.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Secondly, it's never happened to where there's been a player.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Pranked to where his number was released.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
George from one of the Atlanta Hawks coordinators, Son gave
Shador Sanders a prank phone call. I want people to
understand that that's never happened. But you're not happened to Shador.
But it's never happened.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You got me second piece, and I wanted to make
sure we understood.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yes, Dion was very vocal about where he wanted his
son to go. He never called a team out, but
he said he wanted to help his son navigate the draft.
I thought Dion was writing a check and his son
couldn't cash. Not fifth round. Even understand not fifth round.
Don't say he was a fifth round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
That's a lie. That's all there is to it. That's
a lie.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yes, reality, he was, but that's not where his talent
level nor his performance should have put him.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
But it happens.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So everyone says, well, his dad should have known better.
I'm like, okay, then arch Manning should have known better
when he said it before people jumped to conclusion and say, hey, hey,
Elon wants two super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
He did, without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I'm not taking those away, but not at the time
that his dad did not want him to go to
the Chargers. I want people to understand we're not predictors.
He did because he's a great player. Peyton Manning's a
great player, a lot of great players. But at the
time that Archie Manning publicly in front of the media
called the Chargers out saying that's not where my son's
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gonna go, is no different than Dion never said a name.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He just said he wanted to help his son navigate period.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So it's not new you all' yes, because of phones,
which I'm on right now. George, you know what, Danthy
knows it. Yes, and all the Instagram and all the
staff checks. We see more, but that doesn't mean there
is more. It's just that we see more. We don't
know how much was said back then because there weren't
these kind of asset access to television, TV, radio that
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you can do on your folks. So George, I've got
shed and Shannon, I want you all to listen and
Anthony to arch Manning, the dad talking about Eli before
the draft publicly cameras everywhere about what he was demanding.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Please play it for me, Shannon.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I will confirm what the Chargers said last night.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I will admit I was a little surprised if they
went to public to that.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Will you be happy if the Chargers end up picking
him on the Saturday?
Speaker 7 (08:46):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
As far as reasons why I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna go there.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
First choice in the two thousand and four NFL drafts,
the San Diego Charges select Eli Manning turning.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Back Mississippi to see how he's getting boot.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
All over the company.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
That's that's what's happened with this scenario here, and that's
why Archie hastens, because what's happened is.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
That now Eli is a villain.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
How I found out I was traded to the Giants
as I was kind of walking from an interview to interview,
saw a little kid just bust through the door. He goes, Man,
he's been traded to the Giants. I go, is that true?
Is anybody can anybody you know follow this up?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Is this is this real?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Or is this kid just saying it?
Speaker 8 (09:32):
San Diego Chargers and the New York Giants have exchanged
their draft picks Eli Manning and Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
AJ you said you needed a blockbuster trade for this
to happen, to get rid of That's.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
All that I needed.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So I just wanted people to know that early two thousand,
arch Manning had said not once, not twice, numerous times.
ESPN went back and checked. He said on tape at
least ten times he did not want his son going
to the Chargers. You're still the first player taking yes
two times Super.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Bowl, and I'm not knocking his talent.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm just letting people know that This wasn't the first
time that a parent that played in the league expressed
displeasure with eighteen jan Sama has never called a team's
name out.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
He said he was going to help his son navigate,
which I knew his effects of his speech and his
rhetoric would affect his son, but not to a fifth
round take draw. Come on, now, that alone.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
When the young man's son, who is a coordinator for
the Atlanta Falcons, calls him with a prank phone call, guy,
you can't get those numbers.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Of course, sa Door.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Sanders numbers out there for the criticism, so the young
man could laugh and say not, you're not getting drafted
by Atlanta and laughed and hung up with it being taped.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So now Atlanta's, oh, We're so sorry. We don't know
how it happened. This should do.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
He heard his dad saying negative things about your door, Sandy, period,
point blank.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's how it happened.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So, Georgia, I'm throwing to you first, and I'm gonna
ask you what do you think this transpired other than
let me finish with this, George, And I'm gonna give
you an anthony a chance. Guys for coach Beard Mike
Vine Sunday, I put up on my computer how many.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Players were in legal trumble before they were drafted into
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm talking about domestic abuse, I'm talking about robbery, I'm
talking about selling drugs. I'm talking about dad selling drugs
and they're in the same house with them. I'm talking
about all kind of issues that did not affect their
draft status. But Dion Sanders, who spoke in spots, it
speaks a lot, and we all knew that his rhetoric
hurt his son.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
They can accept everything else.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
There were fifty five pages, not fifty five people, fifty
five pages of incidents with players that were drafted into
that league that all of a sudden, now beyond Sanders
and his son, Shador drops to the fifth round.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
What do you think, Georgia, Well, Jerry, you also forget
forgot to bring up John Elway also him and his
dad said that he wanted to change what his son
went and they did. You know what I'm saying. So
this is something that is not new. We don't really
keep up with history. That's one of the problems that
we have in society. We think the history is that
it's not three or four days ago. It's not history anymore,
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you know what I mean. The past does matter, and
it's shown in the past that the fathers played in
the league. They decided that where they sung, well, we're
gonna say, had a big influence on where their son
went wanted to go. There's very few chances that Jerry,
when we look at the NFL and we look at
the number one passing quarterback in the country that year,
to fall that far over one hundred and sixty some
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odd players in front of you, you know, Jerry, he
may have been the third or fourth quarterback. And this
is something that I don't want to say. How do
you blame a child for what his father say? Then
why didn't we blame Larry Ball, the ball father, for
what he said about his son. He did very well
with his son, So you know, I mean, we want
to blame not the person who's perpetrating the crime, but
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somebody outside him. So I thank the Dion and what
you said about what his words we had nothing to
do with. I think the young man is capable. I
thought his resume spoke for itself. I thought the nsay
this is collusion. I thought the owners got together and
said that they didn't want this young man in the league,
and this is the way that they were going to
show other people. If you act like you're a GWN man,
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you speak up for yourself, this is how we treat you.
And I thought that was one of the problems that
the young man, because I don't believe it's bagging Jed.
When you've proven that you can do what you say.
He's been on two different levels. On every level. He
was a superstar, and most people can't do that. I mean,
if you just like the I and everybody talks about
how great a player d I was, how what he
done for the NFL, Well you show you how you
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appreciate it. You say, we don't want you to even
speak about your son and what he does, and you've
allowed other people to do it. I think it's been
very outside to the young man, Jed. But I do
believe one thing that he will rise and he will
prove a lot of people roll just like Lamar did.
You know, sometimes you it's better to prove it than
to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You know, He's got an opportunity, Yes, and I agree
with that, George.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And I'm not I am not knocking the.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Other quarterbacks that's everybody that is going to say, Oh,
and Elway was a great quarterback exactly. I mean we're
not saying that, no, but his father was influence on exactly.
But for this year's draft, no one, absolutely no what
Hanson doors.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Hand is going? And then forty four?
Speaker 7 (14:26):
And I know what can I say? Can I say
this there? I mean? What? What? What? What makes Dion's
voice so strong that the owners have to punish his
son for what his father said?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Thank you? That's the question, George exactly. So Anthony, you've
heard George's opinion, you've heard mine.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
What do you think?
Speaker 7 (14:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I think it comes down it boils onto a lot
of different circumstances. And you know what, And I wouldn't
say that myself.
Speaker 9 (14:54):
We kind of experienced the same thing, my brother and
I when we were going up in North Carolina. My
dad's opinion voice is so much strong than a lot
of the coaches, a lot of different circumstances. A lot
of the coaches wouldn't recruit us. Not because my dad
ever said anything bad. He never said anthing negative about
other coaches program schools. But I think it was that
fear factor of knowing that possibility that he could take
their job in a lot of circumstances. A lot of
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people know what he's done at Jackson State at his
time of Colorado. He has went there with his son
to bad programs on both sides of Jackson State, a
team that want to zero to eleven the year before
to win in their conference champion that year.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Same thing from Colorado, going from a losing program to
where nobody even talked about Colorado football in general period.
You can't name one person that played in Colorado in
the last twenty years of football, probably to where that
there are one of the meta programs and one of
the biggest on a l's They have great facilities, great school.
They have put themselves on the map. Even if Dean
were to leave that school, he has put enough money
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and enough effort into that program to where that Colorado
can go and survive and go get big coaches now
because of what Deion Sanders has done with that program.
Why NFL coaches dislike shad or Sanders so much? I
think this is just a personal vendetta because you can't
say that the talent is not there and it doesn't
speak brit sales because he's done it at every schools
went to. He has went in one games. But you
can sit there and say that, you know, LeVar Ball
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did the same thing with his sons.
Speaker 10 (16:09):
LaMelo and even Lonzo Ball. He used to talk all
over the place.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
He was off the walls.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But it didn't.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
In fact, their NBA drafts so there were both lottery
picks in the first round. They didn't slide out and
go to undrafted free agents. They weren't getting randomly picked
up at bets just in some summer league teams.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
They still went lottery. So why it affected so much
into football.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
I think it's because of the big reason is because
of Dion Sanders can actually coach, and he can actually
take probably ninety nine percent of the coaching jobs in
the NFL. I hate to say it, I'm not knocking
NFL coaches, but a lot of them really can't coach.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Their decision making.
Speaker 10 (16:40):
Down the stretch is very bad. Their GM management, how
they make moves and trades in the offseason is very bad.
And a lot of teams they've seen them went from
being the mecca and kind of these programs, even in
the NFL has started to.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Calm the dwindle down, and I want to sit there
and throw the Cowboys out of the bus. But the
Cowboys haven't made to a Super Bowl in like twenty years.
There's just a lot of teams out there. We'd be like,
what's somebody we could look in and bring from a
different viewpoint, a different basis to college football. Because even
Jim Harborough is playing coaching for the Chargers now. He
won a national championship at Michigan and then left the
next year to the Charges, and the Chargers had a
decent season. There's a lot of coaches that come from
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college and go to the NFL and do well. It's
not always like that, but there is cases, and I'm
and I hate to see it behind closed doors. I
don't know if the Browns were the ones that pushed
it so much about that anonyest interview that they didn't
like s Door Sanders stand that he was cocky and arrogant,
but they got based the Cleveland brown still got Sha
Door Sanders for almost like forty million dollars left and.
Speaker 10 (17:33):
When he was projected to get really I think his
contract is maybe like eight hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's no, you're right, right right, here's the George I knew.
I told Mark Clayton on air it was gonna affect you.
I thought it would affect second, third round, never fifth round.
The issue was how far he dropped no One, no
one and can say that they thought he was at
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anyone who watched college football, you would have never made
it way.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Georgia.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Yeah, but George, the problem I have is that we're
talking about what his father says. Now, come on, come
on way, you know I'm we're talking about what their
father said to the n f L. But were talking
about what Dion said to the media exactly. You know
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that that that that that all to me is just
I mean, there's no compassion. You're talking about father directs.
He tells the NFL, that's what I want you to
do to my son. But you have another father who
speaks to the media, and the NFL says, oh, you
can't speak to the media like that, and we're gonna
plunge your son. Now, now explain that. That's what I
want to explain to me. Ja That is like I
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want to know.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm gonna do this because I want people to know
because I did research it.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You will talking about didn't interview well or did not
interview with teams.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Guys, that's not the first time.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
All the players.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Just so I have to do is google your favorite
player and see if he interview with certain teams.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
He did not.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Most good players do not, so let's just put that
part to bed. They do not if they are not
the first three teams and they think their top three
picks they want interview with six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Personally, guys,
Baron Davis, we selected it. Ford did not interview with
us because he didn't want to come to Charlotte, even
though I know him well, great guy, loves Charlotte, played well.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
He did not interview with us. We still drafted. So
I just want you to understand I did this for
a Livy that's.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Not gonna say that because that happens all the time. Secondly,
not going to camp and participating, that happens all the time.
You can go through all the numerous Lamar Jackson would
not run the forty, and if you just google any
of your favorite players, they did not.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I just want people to because they're going to say
these things, George.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That's why I want them to google their favorite players
that were good enough to say.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Notice some of the criteria. Most of them said no.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Their agents told them to say no, So that's not
new George, but of jard.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I just want to finish with this.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Here's my issue is that league can take people that
have beaten women. That league can take people before they
drafted them that have sold drugs. That league can take
women that have molested people. That league can take women
that have stole things out of stores. That league can
take women that have taken men that have done all
kinds of things, take them.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Got me, but only.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Thing Shouldeorge Sanders and Deon Sanders have done. Represent themselves well.
Deon Sanders is successful. Deon Sanders has money. Deon Sanders
has a job that pays him a lot of money.
Is the only thing that he did. Yes The top
ten draft picks this year's draft want people to understand.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Go google it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
All of them, in their pre taped interviews said that
they should be the number one player taken all ten.
His men played it last yesterday. It's only reason I
know all ten and said.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That they should be.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
So.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Travis Hrschy was gonna play football. You can play both
sides of s field. Jaguars the only team that will
let him do it the only team. That's why he
traded up.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
So, guys, it is just we have to really look
at this one with open eyes because there is a
reason why. And then at the end when you've got
a kid calling someone to heckle him that he's not
being drafted and the kids dad is an administrator with
the Atlanta Falcons, Guys, you have to look at it
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with what it is. So guys, as seven twenty six,
we're gonna get to break. Now, we're gonna get back
to Churchill Downs. George and Anthony. Great show. We'll be
back in a minute. Is East Words Radio. If you
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to you all in a minute. So yep, there we go.
Excuse me for that chance. Welcome back to the sports radio.
We're at the backside of Churchill Downs. Of course, you
can smell Churchill Downs.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's a beautiful.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Smell in the morning and we're having a fantastic time.
We've got the one and only mister mcpete.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
How you doing. How you tomorrow? Yes, you know that.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Congratulations. I've been watching interviews. I'm speaking with Ki mcpete.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Great job. We've been hitting golf all the time. I'm
great man. You know that you know my son Anthony
Kimmy Pete.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
You know, of course, you know he ran the sweep
last year. We all know that Kended mcpete ran the
sweep last year.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Got your horse in the dirt.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
No, I've been watching you. Congratulations and everything that I
had your wife doing. Everybody's family good. You're looking at
all quiet.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Got dinners every night this week.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
That's all right, But you know, just keep doing a
great job. The best ambassador for Churchill Downs is Kennedy p.
You know, I appreciate you. Hopefully you didn't stick your
head in tomorrow, get to work, but yes, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
See you. Yep. So guys, we have George.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You don't know, but we've got a young lady here
that you have to bring on. It's Vanderburgh that is
called in that George is set up and please shodn't
bring her to Is that ever?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Going to sports radio? Sy How are you?
Speaker 11 (23:20):
I'm fine, Torry how are you, George.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm Jerry Eastman.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I'm gonna thought to George Williams, your friend, and then
I've got some questions at the end.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Yes, okay, yeah, in the business, yeah, Jack Jay, how
you doing? Jerry? That miss toy uh Vanderburgh. I want
to let you know she is. She is one of
the legends back of churches down. She's only ten percent
of church you're down females that trains horses. She is
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a trainer. She's an assistant trainer. Is a family business. Her
and a brother trainers out of Churchill Down now. But
her legacy, Jerry is her father and her grandfather a
hall of famous in the jack business. And they have
how her grandfather they had. I think I'm telling the right, Timmy,
if you cook Tory, tell me if i'm my wasn't
(24:12):
that your grandfather? They had a horse that one fa
yea won five hundred races in a year.
Speaker 11 (24:17):
My father he was the first to hit five hundred
wins in one.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Year one year. Jes think about that.
Speaker 11 (24:22):
Jack van Berg, Jack Vanberg derby winn also yes, yeah,
he go on a derby in eighty seven with Ali Sheeba.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Tory, let me tell you what I got the best.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I'm talking to Torry Vanderberg. I'm talking to the one
in onliness Roman. Here, Tory, that's all.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
How are you doing?
Speaker 11 (24:42):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
There you go, So, Tory, how did you get into business?
How did you start to love his business?
Speaker 11 (24:50):
Like your father and grandfather, I grew up with it.
I was at the track every day went. I'd go
to the track in the mornings before school, and then
the owners or trainers were picked me up, takes me
to the track. I could do my chores, and in
the afternoon, when I got out of school, I'd have
to go to the ladies Jockey's room, which was the
nursing station at the time, do my homework, then check
it and I could go back to do my horses.
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So I grew up going to different tracks all over
fairy Grounds in New Orleans, Detroit, DRC, Hazel Park, Arlington Park,
Race Tech. I just went where the circuit was at
with dad.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
What does it mean for you this time of the year,
the first triple crown? It's beautiful back here on the
bike side, What does it mean to you?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
What does this week do for you?
Speaker 11 (25:35):
Oh, it's beautiful. It brings back great memories.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
You see all the great horses out here working.
Speaker 11 (25:40):
They're beautiful, beautiful horses. The public should come out and
enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Actually, they get to come.
Speaker 11 (25:46):
Back here free on the and watch the horses work.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
In the morning.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, you know, I've got you know, Tori Dale Roman
is walking by me right now. I need to ask
him for a loan. Dale, I need a loan. Can
I get a little help and they'll put out nothing
but hundreds?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Now? Yes, but no, it's beautiful back here. Do you
have a barn where I can find you? I'm coming
right to you, Dal, Yes. Do you have a barn
where we can find you?
Speaker 11 (26:16):
By me?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
One? Yes?
Speaker 11 (26:18):
Well, I'm actually over at trackside the training center, right across.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
The water Stins over the old spectrum.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Yeah, we've got barn twenty six dolls. Yeah, Bardee, you're
welcome to come back here anytime.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yes, we're gonna do it, George. This week we're going
to come back and meet you. Tell me a lot Jack, though,
Tell me about Jack who started this derby winner, very
very very successful.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Why the horse business?
Speaker 11 (26:47):
He was a he was a great guy. He just
knew about a horse. He's learned it from his dad.
His dad, my grandpa Van would be able to tell
you every horse that was training on the track by name,
just by looking at him. Uh. It was absolutely unbelievable.
And my dad just took after him. Would help anybody
on the you know, anybody that needed help. And uh
was a great guy to work for it. His famous
(27:09):
thing was he paid weekly and it was very weekly.
But you've got a lot of experience in learning.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
This is something that you should tell talk to about
some of the people that your grandfather.
Speaker 11 (27:22):
Mentrice that was my dad.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
My dad did.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
Yeah, they grew up underneath him. Was Billy Myers, Frankie Brothers,
Lauren Ritelli, Mark walter Stadt, a lot of the trainers,
a lot of people on the backside had worked for
my dad.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (27:39):
He was in fact when he was training, he had
to be He started at different strings at different racetracks,
and they made him be at each string every third day.
So he built up miles on delta, but he had
to be at each string every third day. And so
he had all his assistant trainers, Billy Gallan, Joe Pelino.
A lot of the guys that are still out there
(27:59):
training has arted.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
With my dad. This is this is something that I
wanted to talk about because I know a lot of
ladies that listen to the show, and I want you
to tell me what you told me the other day
about how you look at a horse and you can
tell these a comfortable horse and you can really run
really well. You know you think they hear run wells.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
I told you when I told you to look at
the ladies are dressed to Derby dressed fine, they all
look good. Everybody's dressed sharp. Everybody has their own opinion
of them, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
You you want to.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
See that horse looking like those ladies are out there
strutting on Derby day. You want to see that horse
that he's looking out there feeling confident about himself, you know, excited,
not washed out, you know, not real calm and everything,
but just has got a just to glow about him,
you know. And uh, that's that's where you look at
the people. When you see the people, the ones that
are out there dressed up ready to go, that's what
(28:52):
you want to look at.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Those horses.
Speaker 11 (28:53):
They're shining, they're feeling good, they're enjoying, they enjoy running.
And you told me that is their ears, their yeah,
their ears popped up. That one of my friends says.
You know, they say that sometimes people think that this
is not a nice sport. But you ever see a
horse jockey fall off a horse out of the track
and that horse runs. He don't stop running. We don't
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make these guys run. He he runs and enjoys running
and doesn't want to be caught. So they they enjoy this,
They love it. And uh, you know you just see
him out there running with their ears up and they're
enjoying this.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It's sorry if you.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
All don't know who's speaking, I want to announce it again, toy,
so they'll know who's telling us all.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
This great information.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
H her from that Jack VanderBurg was a super trainer
and she's turning into one of herself.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I wanted to that was my dad.
Speaker 11 (29:40):
My dad was Jack Vipp. My dad was Jack Vanberg.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, Mary ate with my grandfather.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
So last statement before we go, what would you need
people to know about today?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Churchill Down?
Speaker 11 (29:54):
About Churchill Downs, it's a great place. It's a it's
a wonderful place to get to in the morning. You
work out here every morning and you get out here
at four four thirty and uh, you get to enjoy
the horses.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Every day.
Speaker 11 (30:04):
You wake up every morning excited to go do something.
It's new every day. And these horses, they're they're they're wonderful,
they're wonderful to be around. It's a lot there that
going into a retail business with having to deal.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
With people, but so true. Terry.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
We appreciate you coming on the sports radio and Georgie
and I are gonna okay see you.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Thank you for your okay, you.
Speaker 11 (30:29):
Give me a call come out and enjoy the horses.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
We'll do it.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Thank you, Zorry, thank you. Let me let's thank John
Hill for setting this up for both of us. I
gotta do that, ja. John Hill is the one that
made me available to toy and he's a friend of
the show and he went out of his way to
get the dumb for us. So John, we really appreciate
what you've done. And Toy, we appreciate you at the
last minute stepping in for us at for the women's
side of Churchill Down. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Thank you, toy Esports Radio. We'll talk to you all
after the break.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, well, welcome back to Eve Sports Radio. Yes we are,
it's Monday. We're on the back side of the track.
I'm sitting here standing next to Dale Roman. I just
want to make sure Shannon tell me. Can you hear
Dale Dale speak to me Shannon?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Do you hear him? Barely? Barely? Yeah? There you go.
Can you hear him now, Shannon? Shannon? Do you hear Shannon?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Golly well, we might have to wait till tomorrow, Dal,
we do. We'll see you tomorrow on the show. I
got giveaways.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I'm giving away money too, some of yours. We got
your breakfast, Tammy, the wonderful Tammy. Can't wait for del
can't wait to speak to you tomorrow. I have a
great day. I'll see you at the end of the show.
Take care yep, So guys, we're just walking on the backside.
We're interrupted.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Give up your phone, man, George, I can't give up
my phone. It's I got my ere Pozzy and I
wish I could.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
Man, won't put it, won't put to me?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
In Anthony, I didn't feel upgrade to the air pods.
That was his selections.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
And he ain't wrong airpore like he big tired when
we when we got all I guess on the outside.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, but we're all the important people now they'll be
here tomorrow though, George, we've got.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Yeah, but they had the day too though, Jerry that
the day to Wagner is on TV. J They showing
Wagner's on TV.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right now, on television tomorrow. George, don't forget.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
I'm talking about right now. Ja. I know, I know
it's all about you, but there are other people in
the world. Jay, Okay, I know that's all about you,
but that you know what I mean. But they're showing Wagners.
I just wanted you to know that.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
They just they just orbit the East planet. Just remember
that everybody rotates around me.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
Okay, well we kind of figured that out, but you know,
we just were staying that there was another planet in
your orbit. Okay, here's the.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Deal with George. I'm looking right now, Peter.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
It's twenty four Kentucky Oaks winner, Mystic Dan, the twenty
twenty four Kentucky Derby winner, were right at the barn
of ken Repete, who we spoke to earlier today. And George,
there's greatness here. That's the first sweet since I want
to say fifty two George the early fifties that he
trained and did the sweep and Kenneth will come again tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
The sweep, George, that's amazing.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
That's that's a good The triple Crown, Jerry's amazing exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
And to sit here and read the signs that say
that again just reminds you of what they accomplished last year.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Mystic Dan twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Kentucky Derby winner Torpedo Anna on Friday twenty twenty four,
Kentucky Oaks winner. And I'm just trying to tell you
if people could ever get back here, they should, GEORGI
here comes by Archie enemy.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I've got so many enemies it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Ceel, you're walking around here like he's beating you down.
It's a great ceo of Brown.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Are you I'm doing great? You know. I'm just trying
to do my show, trying to make eleven seal, trying
to follow your footsteps.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
But no, see, we're gonna be at Wagoner's tomorrow. If
you can make it by between seventy and eight, you
have trainers by kenn would be buying deal. We've got
a lot of people coming through the city STI heet
and do without a doubt, and we got to get
families together only wants to meet you White take care
of the great CEO Brown from the Curier Journal.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, this is my son, Anthony. You know you need
to meet Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Now for now for the rest of us on radio
who don't know what the heck you doing, Thank you, Jar.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
A great report.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
Okay, well this is this is ring, this is ring you.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Why aren't you back here? Why aren't you back here?
Speaker 7 (34:41):
I'm back because I got I got a shoot to
do this morning, Jerry and I do. I can't combine
both of them together. It's a time factor. You know.
When you become a legend like myself, Jerry, you don't
have time to just do all the little things that
most people do. I got big people in town. I
gotta go deal with them, and then I get with
the you know, the smaller folks like yourself. You know.
Way I can't I mister mister global, Jerry, Mister Global, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I want you to explain to people what you've seen,
how they're taking care of these horses there, and explain
to people what we're watching right now at this bar.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, of course, you know at the track. They always
this is the definition of fine dining and breathing. The
horses get catered to and taking care of better than
your own newborn child, and I think that's kind of
aire the routine that they go through here. You know,
these horses, and I hate to say it, they are
expensive one and they're very valuable, especially when it comes
(35:36):
to Kentucky Derby. You know, you're not a horse person
if you have ever been to a derby. You don't
know the value of a horse until you come to
the derby. People have dumped invests of millions of dollars
and these horses to come out here and perform even
in the best proced in shape, everything from food, diets, hair,
they get bass after they run their tracks. You know,
(35:57):
it's it's top to bottom, definitely a a ten out
of ten experience, and it's it's it's a ten out
of ten just to even see it. They got media
all around them taking pictures. It's it's crazy to think
of because before I come to the backside of the track,
it's is stuff that you just don't normally see, even
just as a normal fan who just likes going to
the derby. You really see the in depth work that
(36:17):
they do for these horses behind closed doors. It's almost
like an appet when they do all their working now
and their training specialization, getting themself prepared for the big lights.
Everyone sees the games at massive square guard, but no
one sees the work that goes on when the lights
aren't on. And this is kind of the preparation that
they go through, even for mentally and physically, the same
way that athletes do in their normal lives.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
There are people that are at.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Four in the morning with these horses taking them up
working and they're based on working.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
George. There's so much work going on out here. People
have no idea the amount of work.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
Oh, I understand, you know, I know totally. Well, well,
I'd like to call it a city within the city,
you know, to me at Churchill Downs, to the backside
of the city. Within the Churchill Downs, you know, they
have a church, they have restaurants, they have everything you
can have on the outside, Jerry, back in the back,
you know, a place to clean your clothes, I mean everything,
And it's immacling like. And they said the ground you
(37:16):
wouldn't believe it. You know, they'll come out and by
one o'clock won't be a piece of scrap, dirty or anything.
On that ground to touch them horses. And it ain't
got their own whirlpool. I mean, like like this day
it is a MacLaine. It is amazing when you see it.
You cannot believe it until you do see it, you know.
And those horses have the right of way. People are secondary,
(37:39):
you know what I mean. Do not bother the horses.
And Jerry, I tell you some messine when the horse
get loose and the horn goes off, and everybody prepares,
you know what I mean? That that is something to
see how that they prepare to harness those horses once
they do get loose, because sometimes they do get loose.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
They do everybody Right now, George is surrounded around journalism,
favored to win this year's twenty twenty five Kentucky Derby.
And I mean, George, it's a mass crowd. It's just
Camra and it's everywhere.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
And you know what's so funny about that though? And
then Jay and you know that this is a small crowd.
And compared as that we goes home. Oh the crowd
just gets bigger and bigger. Yes, yes, this is the
smallest crowd.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You'll see another level, it's another level. But Wendy it's
bumper to bumper.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
You have to have bumpers on your arms because there'll
be so many people back here looking. The best time
to come is Monday and Tuesday because by Wendesday it's
another level. George, just a whole Yeah, people please come out.
You can go to dawn of the Downs.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
I don't think they want you that don.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Of the downs. They can come out. They can watch
them from the front side. They don't let them on
the back. You can't get back.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
That's what I was gonna say. So I was gonna
say that they can watch.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
The horses work out. You'll see them clear.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
The track one hour before the derby and old horses
come out. Then you'll only see the derby and old
horses out working out, going through their regiment with their
trainers and their hot jockeys, and it's just a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
But you can come out.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
What time do they come out.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Jennys seven forty five, some fifteen, Georgia, some forty five.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
You'll see the derby and old horses.
Speaker 7 (39:20):
Yeah, they don't stay out, they don't stay out long.
That's why I wanted to give the time. They do
about two laps, maybe three at the most.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
That's all. I just want to make sure they break
a little sweat, George, and get them back in.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
But yes, you can come out. A lot of people
are always speaking about not having the opportunity because they're
talking about the cost. Well, there are things that you
can do around the derby that you can do without
spending a.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Lot of money, and this is one of them. All
you have to do is just get up in the
morning and come and experience it.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
You'll be able to see it. You'll be able to
look straight across to the backside where you see all
the barns, you see all the activity. You get to
see the horses. Bring your binoculars and you can be
as close as we are right now today.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Christ a few horses going by us right now. And George,
you don't know I'm frightening the horses. They're a beautiful preacher.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
No, there be beautiful preachers, George, But.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
You ride one is something I'll never experience. George.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
Well, I've been that, Jerry. You know. That's why they
commonly bring you and you just you you know what
I mean now, And Jerry, I tell you, once you
ride them and you hear that ground on your feet
and you hear that thunders they're going by. Man, I'm
telling that's the feeling Jerry. That is when you really
when you get up closer and they're going up in
the galloping. I mean, you got to feel that, Jay,
you got you got to get on one to ride it. Man,
(40:34):
it's it's it's a wonderful feeling. You know what I mean.
And I tell you on track side on thirty day
when them horses come by, Jerry and the thunder those
horses and the dirt that they kicking up, and the
wait that they're whooping them all that is a man,
I can't express how great feeling that is.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's not gonna happen, George.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
Well you sawt man. Well we'll get at them.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
You can get in. It's not gonna happen. Sixty six George,
I'm not getting Yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:04):
I can't understand why, Jenny, we're done, George.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Don't forget to seven to eight Wagner's Restaurant.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Get there, we'll have a great time.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
All the big time trainers, they say, Bob Bafford is
supposed to stick his head in.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
So come through. He's where it's raining. If you want
to talk to you tomorrow. We're out, bye bye.
Welcome back to Eve's Sports Radio. April twenty eight, twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Yes it is Derby Week.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yes it is Monday, and it's a beautiful day at
the backside of Churchill Downs. Of course, I'm always sitting
in one of Lee Wagner's restaurants. I just think I
own property in here, even though I don't, but Lee
allows me to think that I do. I'm at the
backside of the track at Wagner's restaurant. It's hustle bustle
this morning. When Anthony and this Whyn Blackburn we arrived here.
(00:32):
You can reach down and touch the horses from the restaurant.
They're so close. It's unbelievable how close this restaurant is
to the actual third turn at Churchill Downs.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
But welcome back to the show. It is Monday.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Phone numbers five zero, two, five seven, one, seventy nine hundred.
This is Eve's Sports Radio seven ninety kr D. We
have Shannon the Dude behind the glass. Thank you Shennon
and of course we've got all you all listening. And
what a beautiful more me at Churchill Down. Anthony, welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
How are you.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I'm doing great this morning? I'm glad you're hyping yourself up,
telling you that you own property here, and then you
try to pull out and say that the credentials we
got were just all completely up to him, just and
this going and I didn't know work whatsoever to get
to this point.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I'm going to.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I don't know how I feel about that blatant level
of disrespect. In four K, we don't accept.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That around here.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm setting you know that right now, okay. And from
the one that got the credentials didn't even know where
to go to the credentials, I'm look. I found all
the sweet spots because I actually read the back of
my pass and unlike somebody over here who just walks
around and doesn't know where to go, I found the
hidden gyms, all the places to go to, the walk
round Winter's Circle, you know, for my dad, for be
(01:52):
the smartest guy I know. Sometimes it scared me with
the with the with the i Q choices. It looked
like me.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
So Joe George, I know you, George George, you love
that start.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
George George, the man speaks the tooth Jack. I can
agree with the tooth.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I told you you to a stupid.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
And you thought I was joking about your dead. Now
you've been on the show for a while. Now you
see why I go with it. You see it now,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
You gotta sometimes you gotta be there to see it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You know.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Sometimes you might know the stove was hoigh, but you
don't know until you touch it.
Speaker 5 (02:28):
There.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Hey, George, and you've been coming here for thirty years.
But I still claim to George. I don't care. I
claim things. I claim Lee's restaurant. I claimed George your press.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Come on, George, and you're scared the horses and I'm
scared of horses.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
You hit that on the head, George.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
We're getting ready to walk around very close to them
all week. But I am frightening the horses.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Everyone knows the guys. Everybody.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Welcome back, George, up in back, beautiful time out here.
I'm sure I'll see you, George. We're gonna We're gonna
just start walking at the seven thirty mark when they
bring out the Derby and Oaks horses at the seven
forty five mark, we will be right there, George. Will
I always see you. So I'm looking forward to seeing
you again today. But here's the deal, George and Anthony.
We've got a big show tomorrow when everybody understand at
(03:20):
Wagner's on the front side, now at the backside, the
front side, we'll have giveaways. We'll have money giveaways. We've
got all the trainers coming. We've got Bill Romans, Ken mcpet,
Greg Foley, Darren Rodgers, Mark Johnson, myself.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
George, We've got everybody and everybody that comes through Wagoners.
We'll have food. We're gonna have a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
So make sure that everybody makes it out tomorrow morning
at Wagners.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Of course, Lee Wagner will be there. George.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
Don't tell him, I claim his restaurants. George, just don't
tell him. Man keep up between us.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I got Anthony, I won't will.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Oh, I bus see. In all my defense, you know
I can sit to make the excuse. I know who
we wagoner is, but I've never met him, so I
can walk by the broad daylight. I wouldn't say a
word because I don't know what he looks like.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
George, George, So when he when he from, I don't
know who? Who told you? Without doubt.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
So George and Jerry, no question, we're gonna We've got
to get into the show, and we're gonna talk a
lot about the horses, and we're going to try to
explain the experience that we're going to have as we're
walking from the restaurant. Lee's backside restaurant, lead Wagoners toward
the paddock areas, right, George, so everybody can understand the
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smell that tastes. It's different back here. Yeah, but George,
we gotta talk about what happened in the draft.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Can you uh, can you? When you said the front side,
you mean the original Leeds rest, I mean Wagoner's restaurant.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
The front side. They can't get to the backside.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
You can't get to without credentials or being a horse trainer,
a jockey, or someone who works on the backside. The
front the true original Lee's Pharmacy, where his dad and
grandfather started, is where we'll have the show tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Exactly. Yep. Okay, great call, Thank you, So guys, you're welcome.
Here's what we've got. We got the draft. And yes,
a lot like a lot of.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
People said the Schor Sanders subject kidnapped the entire NFL draft,
and it did.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
It did.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
And I did allude to last week that I thought
that some of I would say, I'm gonna say antics,
but I'm gonna I'm going to prove to people that
things aren't the same.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
When people always want to say they are, I'm gonna
prove to them they're not the same.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
George, as you well know, But that Dion's antics not
his son.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
That Dion's antics may have a little to do with
his son's draft position.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
Like every analyst on TV, everyrochrastinator that.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Does this, no one had him a fifth round. No one.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
So let's just get that understanding. This is the first
time since it's been on television.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
They analyzed that. ESPN said no one had it going
into the front. No one, So let's just get that
point blank, no one.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Secondly, it's never happened to where there's been a player.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Pranked to where his number was released.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
George from one of the Atlanta Hawks coordinators, Son gave
Shador Sanders a prank phone call. I want people to
understand that that's never happened. But you're not happened to Shador.
But it's never happened.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
You got me second piece, and I wanted to make
sure we understood.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Yes, Dion was very vocal about where he wanted his
son to go. He never called a team out, but
he said he wanted to help his son navigate the draft.
I thought Dion was writing a check and his son
couldn't cash. Not fifth round. Even understand not fifth round.
Don't say he was a fifth round draft pick.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
That's a lie. That's all there is to it. That's
a lie.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yes, reality, he was, but that's not where his talent
level nor his performance should have put him.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
But it happens.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So everyone says, well, his dad should have known better.
I'm like, okay, then arch Manning should have known better
when he said it before people jumped to conclusion and say, hey, hey,
Elon wants two super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
He did, without a doubt.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I'm not taking those away, but not at the time
that his dad did not want him to go to
the Chargers. I want people to understand we're not predictors.
He did because he's a great player. Peyton Manning's a
great player, a lot of great players. But at the
time that Archie Manning publicly in front of the media
called the Chargers out saying that's not where my son's
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gonna go, is no different than Dion never said a name.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
He just said he wanted to help his son navigate period.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So it's not new you all' yes, because of phones,
which I'm on right now. George, you know what, Danthy
knows it. Yes, and all the Instagram and all the
staff checks. We see more, but that doesn't mean there
is more. It's just that we see more. We don't
know how much was said back then because there weren't
these kind of asset access to television, TV, radio that
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you can do on your folks. So George, I've got
shed and Shannon, I want you all to listen and
Anthony to arch Manning, the dad talking about Eli before
the draft publicly cameras everywhere about what he was demanding.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Please play it for me, Shannon.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I will confirm what the Chargers said last night.
Speaker 6 (08:38):
I will admit I was a little surprised if they
went to public to that.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Will you be happy if the Chargers end up picking
him on the Saturday?
Speaker 7 (08:46):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
No.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
As far as reasons why I'm not gonna I'm not
gonna go there.
Speaker 8 (08:52):
First choice in the two thousand and four NFL drafts,
the San Diego Charges select Eli Manning turning.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Back Mississippi to see how he's getting boot.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
All over the company.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
That's that's what's happened with this scenario here, and that's
why Archie hastens, because what's happened is.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
That now Eli is a villain.
Speaker 6 (09:17):
How I found out I was traded to the Giants
as I was kind of walking from an interview to interview,
saw a little kid just bust through the door. He goes, Man,
he's been traded to the Giants. I go, is that true?
Is anybody can anybody you know follow this up?
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Is this is this real?
Speaker 6 (09:31):
Or is this kid just saying it?
Speaker 8 (09:32):
San Diego Chargers and the New York Giants have exchanged
their draft picks Eli Manning and Philip Rivers.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It's real.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
AJ you said you needed a blockbuster trade for this
to happen, to get rid of That's.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
All that I needed.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
So I just wanted people to know that early two thousand,
arch Manning had said not once, not twice, numerous times.
ESPN went back and checked. He said on tape at
least ten times he did not want his son going
to the Chargers. You're still the first player taking yes
two times Super.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Bowl, and I'm not knocking his talent.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
I'm just letting people know that This wasn't the first
time that a parent that played in the league expressed
displeasure with eighteen jan Sama has never called a team's
name out.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
He said he was going to help his son navigate,
which I knew his effects of his speech and his
rhetoric would affect his son, but not to a fifth
round take draw. Come on, now, that alone.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
When the young man's son, who is a coordinator for
the Atlanta Falcons, calls him with a prank phone call, guy,
you can't get those numbers.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Of course, sa Door.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Sanders numbers out there for the criticism, so the young
man could laugh and say not, you're not getting drafted
by Atlanta and laughed and hung up with it being taped.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
So now Atlanta's, oh, We're so sorry. We don't know
how it happened. This should do.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
He heard his dad saying negative things about your door, Sandy, period,
point blank.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's how it happened.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So, Georgia, I'm throwing to you first, and I'm gonna
ask you what do you think this transpired other than
let me finish with this, George, And I'm gonna give
you an anthony a chance. Guys for coach Beard Mike
Vine Sunday, I put up on my computer how many.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Players were in legal trumble before they were drafted into
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm talking about domestic abuse, I'm talking about robbery, I'm
talking about selling drugs. I'm talking about dad selling drugs
and they're in the same house with them. I'm talking
about all kind of issues that did not affect their
draft status. But Dion Sanders, who spoke in spots, it
speaks a lot, and we all knew that his rhetoric
hurt his son.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
They can accept everything else.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
There were fifty five pages, not fifty five people, fifty
five pages of incidents with players that were drafted into
that league that all of a sudden, now beyond Sanders
and his son, Shador drops to the fifth round.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
What do you think, Georgia, Well, Jerry, you also forget
forgot to bring up John Elway also him and his
dad said that he wanted to change what his son
went and they did. You know what I'm saying. So
this is something that is not new. We don't really
keep up with history. That's one of the problems that
we have in society. We think the history is that
it's not three or four days ago. It's not history anymore,
(12:20):
you know what I mean. The past does matter, and
it's shown in the past that the fathers played in
the league. They decided that where they sung, well, we're
gonna say, had a big influence on where their son
went wanted to go. There's very few chances that Jerry,
when we look at the NFL and we look at
the number one passing quarterback in the country that year,
to fall that far over one hundred and sixty some
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odd players in front of you, you know, Jerry, he
may have been the third or fourth quarterback. And this
is something that I don't want to say. How do
you blame a child for what his father say? Then
why didn't we blame Larry Ball, the ball father, for
what he said about his son. He did very well
with his son, So you know, I mean, we want
to blame not the person who's perpetrating the crime, but
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somebody outside him. So I thank the Dion and what
you said about what his words we had nothing to
do with. I think the young man is capable. I
thought his resume spoke for itself. I thought the nsay
this is collusion. I thought the owners got together and
said that they didn't want this young man in the league,
and this is the way that they were going to
show other people. If you act like you're a GWN man,
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you speak up for yourself, this is how we treat you.
And I thought that was one of the problems that
the young man, because I don't believe it's bagging Jed.
When you've proven that you can do what you say.
He's been on two different levels. On every level. He
was a superstar, and most people can't do that. I mean,
if you just like the I and everybody talks about
how great a player d I was, how what he
done for the NFL, Well you show you how you
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appreciate it. You say, we don't want you to even
speak about your son and what he does, and you've
allowed other people to do it. I think it's been
very outside to the young man, Jed. But I do
believe one thing that he will rise and he will
prove a lot of people roll just like Lamar did.
You know, sometimes you it's better to prove it than
to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
You know, He's got an opportunity, Yes, and I agree
with that, George.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
And I'm not I am not knocking the.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Other quarterbacks that's everybody that is going to say, Oh,
and Elway was a great quarterback exactly. I mean we're
not saying that, no, but his father was influence on exactly.
But for this year's draft, no one, absolutely no what
Hanson doors.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Hand is going? And then forty four?
Speaker 7 (14:26):
And I know what can I say? Can I say
this there? I mean? What? What? What? What makes Dion's
voice so strong that the owners have to punish his
son for what his father said?
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Thank you? That's the question, George exactly. So Anthony, you've
heard George's opinion, you've heard mine.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
What do you think?
Speaker 7 (14:47):
No?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
I think it comes down it boils onto a lot
of different circumstances. And you know what, And I wouldn't
say that myself.
Speaker 9 (14:54):
We kind of experienced the same thing, my brother and
I when we were going up in North Carolina. My
dad's opinion voice is so much strong than a lot
of the coaches, a lot of different circumstances. A lot
of the coaches wouldn't recruit us. Not because my dad
ever said anything bad. He never said anthing negative about
other coaches program schools. But I think it was that
fear factor of knowing that possibility that he could take
their job in a lot of circumstances. A lot of
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people know what he's done at Jackson State at his
time of Colorado. He has went there with his son
to bad programs on both sides of Jackson State, a
team that want to zero to eleven the year before
to win in their conference champion that year.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Same thing from Colorado, going from a losing program to
where nobody even talked about Colorado football in general period.
You can't name one person that played in Colorado in
the last twenty years of football, probably to where that
there are one of the meta programs and one of
the biggest on a l's They have great facilities, great school.
They have put themselves on the map. Even if Dean
were to leave that school, he has put enough money
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and enough effort into that program to where that Colorado
can go and survive and go get big coaches now
because of what Deion Sanders has done with that program.
Why NFL coaches dislike shad or Sanders so much? I
think this is just a personal vendetta because you can't
say that the talent is not there and it doesn't
speak brit sales because he's done it at every schools
went to. He has went in one games. But you
can sit there and say that, you know, LeVar Ball
(16:08):
did the same thing with his sons.
Speaker 10 (16:09):
LaMelo and even Lonzo Ball. He used to talk all
over the place.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
He was off the walls.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
But it didn't.
Speaker 10 (16:15):
In fact, their NBA drafts so there were both lottery
picks in the first round. They didn't slide out and
go to undrafted free agents. They weren't getting randomly picked
up at bets just in some summer league teams.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
They still went lottery. So why it affected so much
into football.
Speaker 10 (16:28):
I think it's because of the big reason is because
of Dion Sanders can actually coach, and he can actually
take probably ninety nine percent of the coaching jobs in
the NFL. I hate to say it, I'm not knocking
NFL coaches, but a lot of them really can't coach.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Their decision making.
Speaker 10 (16:40):
Down the stretch is very bad. Their GM management, how
they make moves and trades in the offseason is very bad.
And a lot of teams they've seen them went from
being the mecca and kind of these programs, even in
the NFL has started to.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
Calm the dwindle down, and I want to sit there
and throw the Cowboys out of the bus. But the
Cowboys haven't made to a Super Bowl in like twenty years.
There's just a lot of teams out there. We'd be like,
what's somebody we could look in and bring from a
different viewpoint, a different basis to college football. Because even
Jim Harborough is playing coaching for the Chargers now. He
won a national championship at Michigan and then left the
next year to the Charges, and the Chargers had a
decent season. There's a lot of coaches that come from
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college and go to the NFL and do well. It's
not always like that, but there is cases, and I'm
and I hate to see it behind closed doors. I
don't know if the Browns were the ones that pushed
it so much about that anonyest interview that they didn't
like s Door Sanders stand that he was cocky and arrogant,
but they got based the Cleveland brown still got Sha
Door Sanders for almost like forty million dollars left and.
Speaker 10 (17:33):
When he was projected to get really I think his
contract is maybe like eight hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
That's no, you're right, right right, here's the George I knew.
I told Mark Clayton on air it was gonna affect you.
I thought it would affect second, third round, never fifth round.
The issue was how far he dropped no One, no
one and can say that they thought he was at
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anyone who watched college football, you would have never made
it way.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Georgia.
Speaker 7 (18:08):
Yeah, but George, the problem I have is that we're
talking about what his father says. Now, come on, come
on way, you know I'm we're talking about what their
father said to the n f L. But were talking
about what Dion said to the media exactly. You know
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that that that that that all to me is just
I mean, there's no compassion. You're talking about father directs.
He tells the NFL, that's what I want you to
do to my son. But you have another father who
speaks to the media, and the NFL says, oh, you
can't speak to the media like that, and we're gonna
plunge your son. Now, now explain that. That's what I
want to explain to me. Ja That is like I
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want to know.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I'm gonna do this because I want people to know
because I did research it.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
You will talking about didn't interview well or did not
interview with teams.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Guys, that's not the first time.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
All the players.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Just so I have to do is google your favorite
player and see if he interview with certain teams.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
He did not.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Most good players do not, so let's just put that
part to bed. They do not if they are not
the first three teams and they think their top three
picks they want interview with six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Personally, guys,
Baron Davis, we selected it. Ford did not interview with
us because he didn't want to come to Charlotte, even
though I know him well, great guy, loves Charlotte, played well.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
He did not interview with us. We still drafted. So
I just want you to understand I did this for
a Livy that's.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Not gonna say that because that happens all the time. Secondly,
not going to camp and participating, that happens all the time.
You can go through all the numerous Lamar Jackson would
not run the forty, and if you just google any
of your favorite players, they did not.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
I just want people to because they're going to say
these things, George.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That's why I want them to google their favorite players
that were good enough to say.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Notice some of the criteria. Most of them said no.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Their agents told them to say no, So that's not
new George, but of jard.
Speaker 2 (20:04):
I just want to finish with this.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Here's my issue is that league can take people that
have beaten women. That league can take people before they
drafted them that have sold drugs. That league can take
women that have molested people. That league can take women
that have stole things out of stores. That league can
take women that have taken men that have done all
kinds of things, take them.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Got me, but only.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Thing Shouldeorge Sanders and Deon Sanders have done. Represent themselves well.
Deon Sanders is successful. Deon Sanders has money. Deon Sanders
has a job that pays him a lot of money.
Is the only thing that he did. Yes The top
ten draft picks this year's draft want people to understand.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Go google it.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
All of them, in their pre taped interviews said that
they should be the number one player taken all ten.
His men played it last yesterday. It's only reason I
know all ten and said.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That they should be.
Speaker 7 (21:00):
So.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Travis Hrschy was gonna play football. You can play both
sides of s field. Jaguars the only team that will
let him do it the only team. That's why he
traded up.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
So, guys, it is just we have to really look
at this one with open eyes because there is a
reason why. And then at the end when you've got
a kid calling someone to heckle him that he's not
being drafted and the kids dad is an administrator with
the Atlanta Falcons, Guys, you have to look at it
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with what it is. So guys, as seven twenty six,
we're gonna get to break. Now, we're gonna get back
to Churchill Downs. George and Anthony. Great show. We'll be
back in a minute. Is East Words Radio. If you
don't know, please make it out to Churchill Downs. It's
a fantastic play in the morning. They allow you to
come out and see dawn at the Downs. You can
see the horses. It's unbelievable. East Words Radio will talk
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to you all in a minute. So yep, there we go.
Excuse me for that chance. Welcome back to the sports radio.
We're at the backside of Churchill Downs. Of course, you
can smell Churchill Downs.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
It's a beautiful.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Smell in the morning and we're having a fantastic time.
We've got the one and only mister mcpete.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
How you doing. How you tomorrow? Yes, you know that.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Congratulations. I've been watching interviews. I'm speaking with Ki mcpete.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Great job. We've been hitting golf all the time. I'm
great man. You know that you know my son Anthony
Kimmy Pete.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
You know, of course, you know he ran the sweep
last year. We all know that Kended mcpete ran the
sweep last year.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Got your horse in the dirt.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
No, I've been watching you. Congratulations and everything that I
had your wife doing. Everybody's family good. You're looking at
all quiet.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Got dinners every night this week.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
That's all right, But you know, just keep doing a
great job. The best ambassador for Churchill Downs is Kennedy p.
You know, I appreciate you. Hopefully you didn't stick your
head in tomorrow, get to work, but yes, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
See you. Yep. So guys, we have George.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
You don't know, but we've got a young lady here
that you have to bring on. It's Vanderburgh that is
called in that George is set up and please shodn't
bring her to Is that ever?
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Going to sports radio? Sy How are you?
Speaker 11 (23:20):
I'm fine, Torry how are you, George.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
I'm Jerry Eastman.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I'm gonna thought to George Williams, your friend, and then
I've got some questions at the end.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
Yes, okay, yeah, in the business, yeah, Jack Jay, how
you doing? Jerry? That miss toy uh Vanderburgh. I want
to let you know she is. She is one of
the legends back of churches down. She's only ten percent
of church you're down females that trains horses. She is
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a trainer. She's an assistant trainer. Is a family business. Her
and a brother trainers out of Churchill Down now. But
her legacy, Jerry is her father and her grandfather a
hall of famous in the jack business. And they have
how her grandfather they had. I think I'm telling the right, Timmy,
if you cook Tory, tell me if i'm my wasn't
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that your grandfather? They had a horse that one fa
yea won five hundred races in a year.
Speaker 11 (24:17):
My father he was the first to hit five hundred
wins in one.
Speaker 7 (24:20):
Year one year. Jes think about that.
Speaker 11 (24:22):
Jack van Berg, Jack Vanberg derby winn also yes, yeah,
he go on a derby in eighty seven with Ali Sheeba.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Tory, let me tell you what I got the best.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I'm talking to Torry Vanderberg. I'm talking to the one
in onliness Roman. Here, Tory, that's all.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
How are you doing?
Speaker 11 (24:42):
I'm doing good?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
There you go, So, Tory, how did you get into business?
How did you start to love his business?
Speaker 11 (24:50):
Like your father and grandfather, I grew up with it.
I was at the track every day went. I'd go
to the track in the mornings before school, and then
the owners or trainers were picked me up, takes me
to the track. I could do my chores, and in
the afternoon, when I got out of school, I'd have
to go to the ladies Jockey's room, which was the
nursing station at the time, do my homework, then check
it and I could go back to do my horses.
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So I grew up going to different tracks all over
fairy Grounds in New Orleans, Detroit, DRC, Hazel Park, Arlington Park,
Race Tech. I just went where the circuit was at
with dad.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
What does it mean for you this time of the year,
the first triple crown? It's beautiful back here on the
bike side, What does it mean to you?
Speaker 2 (25:32):
What does this week do for you?
Speaker 11 (25:35):
Oh, it's beautiful. It brings back great memories.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
You see all the great horses out here working.
Speaker 11 (25:40):
They're beautiful, beautiful horses. The public should come out and
enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Actually, they get to come.
Speaker 11 (25:46):
Back here free on the and watch the horses work.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
In the morning.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, you know, I've got you know, Tori Dale Roman
is walking by me right now. I need to ask
him for a loan. Dale, I need a loan. Can
I get a little help and they'll put out nothing
but hundreds?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Now? Yes, but no, it's beautiful back here. Do you
have a barn where I can find you? I'm coming
right to you, Dal, Yes. Do you have a barn
where we can find you?
Speaker 11 (26:16):
By me?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
One? Yes?
Speaker 11 (26:18):
Well, I'm actually over at trackside the training center, right across.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
The water Stins over the old spectrum.
Speaker 11 (26:25):
Yeah, we've got barn twenty six dolls. Yeah, Bardee, you're
welcome to come back here anytime.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yes, we're gonna do it, George. This week we're going
to come back and meet you. Tell me a lot Jack, though,
Tell me about Jack who started this derby winner, very
very very successful.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Why the horse business?
Speaker 11 (26:47):
He was a he was a great guy. He just
knew about a horse. He's learned it from his dad.
His dad, my grandpa Van would be able to tell
you every horse that was training on the track by name,
just by looking at him. Uh. It was absolutely unbelievable.
And my dad just took after him. Would help anybody
on the you know, anybody that needed help. And uh
was a great guy to work for it. His famous
(27:09):
thing was he paid weekly and it was very weekly.
But you've got a lot of experience in learning.
Speaker 7 (27:17):
This is something that you should tell talk to about
some of the people that your grandfather.
Speaker 11 (27:22):
Mentrice that was my dad.
Speaker 7 (27:24):
My dad did.
Speaker 11 (27:26):
Yeah, they grew up underneath him. Was Billy Myers, Frankie Brothers,
Lauren Ritelli, Mark walter Stadt, a lot of the trainers,
a lot of people on the backside had worked for
my dad.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Uh.
Speaker 11 (27:39):
He was in fact when he was training, he had
to be He started at different strings at different racetracks,
and they made him be at each string every third day.
So he built up miles on delta, but he had
to be at each string every third day. And so
he had all his assistant trainers, Billy Gallan, Joe Pelino.
A lot of the guys that are still out there
(27:59):
training has arted.
Speaker 7 (28:00):
With my dad. This is this is something that I
wanted to talk about because I know a lot of
ladies that listen to the show, and I want you
to tell me what you told me the other day
about how you look at a horse and you can
tell these a comfortable horse and you can really run
really well. You know you think they hear run wells.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
I told you when I told you to look at
the ladies are dressed to Derby dressed fine, they all
look good. Everybody's dressed sharp. Everybody has their own opinion
of them, you know.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
You you want to.
Speaker 11 (28:29):
See that horse looking like those ladies are out there
strutting on Derby day. You want to see that horse
that he's looking out there feeling confident about himself, you know, excited,
not washed out, you know, not real calm and everything,
but just has got a just to glow about him,
you know. And uh, that's that's where you look at
the people. When you see the people, the ones that
are out there dressed up ready to go, that's what
(28:52):
you want to look at.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Those horses.
Speaker 11 (28:53):
They're shining, they're feeling good, they're enjoying, they enjoy running.
And you told me that is their ears, their yeah,
their ears popped up. That one of my friends says.
You know, they say that sometimes people think that this
is not a nice sport. But you ever see a
horse jockey fall off a horse out of the track
and that horse runs. He don't stop running. We don't
(29:13):
make these guys run. He he runs and enjoys running
and doesn't want to be caught. So they they enjoy this,
They love it. And uh, you know you just see
him out there running with their ears up and they're
enjoying this.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
It's sorry if you.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
All don't know who's speaking, I want to announce it again, toy,
so they'll know who's telling us all.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
This great information.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
H her from that Jack VanderBurg was a super trainer
and she's turning into one of herself.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
I wanted to that was my dad.
Speaker 11 (29:40):
My dad was Jack Vipp. My dad was Jack Vanberg.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Yeah, Mary ate with my grandfather.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
So last statement before we go, what would you need
people to know about today?
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Churchill Down?
Speaker 11 (29:54):
About Churchill Downs, it's a great place. It's a it's
a wonderful place to get to in the morning. You
work out here every morning and you get out here
at four four thirty and uh, you get to enjoy
the horses.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Every day.
Speaker 11 (30:04):
You wake up every morning excited to go do something.
It's new every day. And these horses, they're they're they're wonderful,
they're wonderful to be around. It's a lot there that
going into a retail business with having to deal.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
With people, but so true. Terry.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
We appreciate you coming on the sports radio and Georgie
and I are gonna okay see you.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Thank you for your okay, you.
Speaker 11 (30:29):
Give me a call come out and enjoy the horses.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
We'll do it.
Speaker 7 (30:32):
Thank you, Zorry, thank you. Let me let's thank John
Hill for setting this up for both of us. I
gotta do that, ja. John Hill is the one that
made me available to toy and he's a friend of
the show and he went out of his way to
get the dumb for us. So John, we really appreciate
what you've done. And Toy, we appreciate you at the
last minute stepping in for us at for the women's
side of Churchill Down. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Thank you, toy Esports Radio. We'll talk to you all
after the break.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, well, welcome back to Eve Sports Radio. Yes we are,
it's Monday. We're on the back side of the track.
I'm sitting here standing next to Dale Roman. I just
want to make sure Shannon tell me. Can you hear
Dale Dale speak to me Shannon?
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Do you hear him? Barely? Barely? Yeah? There you go.
Can you hear him now, Shannon? Shannon? Do you hear Shannon?
Speaker 4 (31:24):
No?
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Golly well, we might have to wait till tomorrow, Dal,
we do. We'll see you tomorrow on the show. I
got giveaways.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I'm giving away money too, some of yours. We got
your breakfast, Tammy, the wonderful Tammy. Can't wait for del
can't wait to speak to you tomorrow. I have a
great day. I'll see you at the end of the show.
Take care yep, So guys, we're just walking on the backside.
We're interrupted.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Give up your phone, man, George, I can't give up
my phone. It's I got my ere Pozzy and I
wish I could.
Speaker 7 (31:58):
Man, won't put it, won't put to me?
Speaker 3 (32:01):
In Anthony, I didn't feel upgrade to the air pods.
That was his selections.
Speaker 7 (32:10):
And he ain't wrong airpore like he big tired when
we when we got all I guess on the outside.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, but we're all the important people now they'll be
here tomorrow though, George, we've got.
Speaker 7 (32:23):
Yeah, but they had the day too though, Jerry that
the day to Wagner is on TV. J They showing
Wagner's on TV.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right now, on television tomorrow. George, don't forget.
Speaker 7 (32:33):
I'm talking about right now. Ja. I know, I know
it's all about you, but there are other people in
the world. Jay, Okay, I know that's all about you,
but that you know what I mean. But they're showing Wagners.
I just wanted you to know that.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
They just they just orbit the East planet. Just remember
that everybody rotates around me.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
Okay, well we kind of figured that out, but you know,
we just were staying that there was another planet in
your orbit. Okay, here's the.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Deal with George. I'm looking right now, Peter.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
It's twenty four Kentucky Oaks winner, Mystic Dan, the twenty
twenty four Kentucky Derby winner, were right at the barn
of ken Repete, who we spoke to earlier today. And George,
there's greatness here. That's the first sweet since I want
to say fifty two George the early fifties that he
trained and did the sweep and Kenneth will come again tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
The sweep, George, that's amazing.
Speaker 7 (33:22):
That's that's a good The triple Crown, Jerry's amazing exactly.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
And to sit here and read the signs that say
that again just reminds you of what they accomplished last year.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Mystic Dan twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
Kentucky Derby winner Torpedo Anna on Friday twenty twenty four,
Kentucky Oaks winner. And I'm just trying to tell you
if people could ever get back here, they should, GEORGI
here comes by Archie enemy.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
I've got so many enemies it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Ceel, you're walking around here like he's beating you down.
It's a great ceo of Brown.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
Are you I'm doing great? You know. I'm just trying
to do my show, trying to make eleven seal, trying
to follow your footsteps.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
But no, see, we're gonna be at Wagoner's tomorrow. If
you can make it by between seventy and eight, you
have trainers by kenn would be buying deal. We've got
a lot of people coming through the city STI heet
and do without a doubt, and we got to get
families together only wants to meet you White take care
of the great CEO Brown from the Curier Journal.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Yeah, this is my son, Anthony. You know you need
to meet Yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 7 (34:26):
Now for now for the rest of us on radio
who don't know what the heck you doing, Thank you, Jar.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
A great report.
Speaker 7 (34:35):
Okay, well this is this is ring, this is ring you.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Why aren't you back here? Why aren't you back here?
Speaker 7 (34:41):
I'm back because I got I got a shoot to
do this morning, Jerry and I do. I can't combine
both of them together. It's a time factor. You know.
When you become a legend like myself, Jerry, you don't
have time to just do all the little things that
most people do. I got big people in town. I
gotta go deal with them, and then I get with
the you know, the smaller folks like yourself. You know.
Way I can't I mister mister global, Jerry, Mister Global, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
I want you to explain to people what you've seen,
how they're taking care of these horses there, and explain
to people what we're watching right now at this bar.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yeah, of course, you know at the track. They always
this is the definition of fine dining and breathing. The
horses get catered to and taking care of better than
your own newborn child, and I think that's kind of
aire the routine that they go through here. You know,
these horses, and I hate to say it, they are
expensive one and they're very valuable, especially when it comes
(35:36):
to Kentucky Derby. You know, you're not a horse person
if you have ever been to a derby. You don't
know the value of a horse until you come to
the derby. People have dumped invests of millions of dollars
and these horses to come out here and perform even
in the best proced in shape, everything from food, diets, hair,
they get bass after they run their tracks. You know,
(35:57):
it's it's top to bottom, definitely a a ten out
of ten experience, and it's it's it's a ten out
of ten just to even see it. They got media
all around them taking pictures. It's it's crazy to think
of because before I come to the backside of the track,
it's is stuff that you just don't normally see, even
just as a normal fan who just likes going to
the derby. You really see the in depth work that
(36:17):
they do for these horses behind closed doors. It's almost
like an appet when they do all their working now
and their training specialization, getting themself prepared for the big lights.
Everyone sees the games at massive square guard, but no
one sees the work that goes on when the lights
aren't on. And this is kind of the preparation that
they go through, even for mentally and physically, the same
way that athletes do in their normal lives.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
There are people that are at.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
Four in the morning with these horses taking them up
working and they're based on working.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
George. There's so much work going on out here. People
have no idea the amount of work.
Speaker 7 (36:55):
Oh, I understand, you know, I know totally. Well, well,
I'd like to call it a city within the city,
you know, to me at Churchill Downs, to the backside
of the city. Within the Churchill Downs, you know, they
have a church, they have restaurants, they have everything you
can have on the outside, Jerry, back in the back,
you know, a place to clean your clothes, I mean everything,
And it's immacling like. And they said the ground you
(37:16):
wouldn't believe it. You know, they'll come out and by
one o'clock won't be a piece of scrap, dirty or anything.
On that ground to touch them horses. And it ain't
got their own whirlpool. I mean, like like this day
it is a MacLaine. It is amazing when you see it.
You cannot believe it until you do see it, you know.
And those horses have the right of way. People are secondary,
(37:39):
you know what I mean. Do not bother the horses.
And Jerry, I tell you some messine when the horse
get loose and the horn goes off, and everybody prepares,
you know what I mean? That that is something to
see how that they prepare to harness those horses once
they do get loose, because sometimes they do get loose.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
They do everybody Right now, George is surrounded around journalism,
favored to win this year's twenty twenty five Kentucky Derby.
And I mean, George, it's a mass crowd. It's just
Camra and it's everywhere.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
And you know what's so funny about that though? And
then Jay and you know that this is a small crowd.
And compared as that we goes home. Oh the crowd
just gets bigger and bigger. Yes, yes, this is the
smallest crowd.
Speaker 2 (38:23):
You'll see another level, it's another level. But Wendy it's
bumper to bumper.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
You have to have bumpers on your arms because there'll
be so many people back here looking. The best time
to come is Monday and Tuesday because by Wendesday it's
another level. George, just a whole Yeah, people please come out.
You can go to dawn of the Downs.
Speaker 7 (38:44):
I don't think they want you that don.
Speaker 1 (38:48):
Of the downs. They can come out. They can watch
them from the front side. They don't let them on
the back. You can't get back.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
That's what I was gonna say. So I was gonna
say that they can watch.
Speaker 2 (38:56):
The horses work out. You'll see them clear.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
The track one hour before the derby and old horses
come out. Then you'll only see the derby and old
horses out working out, going through their regiment with their
trainers and their hot jockeys, and it's just a wonderful thing.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
But you can come out.
Speaker 7 (39:11):
What time do they come out.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Jennys seven forty five, some fifteen, Georgia, some forty five.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
You'll see the derby and old horses.
Speaker 7 (39:20):
Yeah, they don't stay out, they don't stay out long.
That's why I wanted to give the time. They do
about two laps, maybe three at the most.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
That's all. I just want to make sure they break
a little sweat, George, and get them back in.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
But yes, you can come out. A lot of people
are always speaking about not having the opportunity because they're
talking about the cost. Well, there are things that you
can do around the derby that you can do without
spending a.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Lot of money, and this is one of them. All
you have to do is just get up in the
morning and come and experience it.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
You'll be able to see it. You'll be able to
look straight across to the backside where you see all
the barns, you see all the activity. You get to
see the horses. Bring your binoculars and you can be
as close as we are right now today.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Christ a few horses going by us right now. And George,
you don't know I'm frightening the horses. They're a beautiful preacher.
Speaker 7 (40:05):
No, there be beautiful preachers, George, But.
Speaker 2 (40:09):
You ride one is something I'll never experience. George.
Speaker 7 (40:13):
Well, I've been that, Jerry. You know. That's why they
commonly bring you and you just you you know what
I mean now, And Jerry, I tell you, once you
ride them and you hear that ground on your feet
and you hear that thunders they're going by. Man, I'm
telling that's the feeling Jerry. That is when you really
when you get up closer and they're going up in
the galloping. I mean, you got to feel that, Jay,
you got you got to get on one to ride it. Man,
(40:34):
it's it's it's a wonderful feeling. You know what I mean.
And I tell you on track side on thirty day
when them horses come by, Jerry and the thunder those
horses and the dirt that they kicking up, and the
wait that they're whooping them all that is a man,
I can't express how great feeling that is.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
It's not gonna happen, George.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
Well you sawt man. Well we'll get at them.
Speaker 2 (40:57):
You can get in. It's not gonna happen. Sixty six George,
I'm not getting Yeah.
Speaker 7 (41:04):
I can't understand why, Jenny, we're done, George.
Speaker 1 (41:07):
Don't forget to seven to eight Wagner's Restaurant.
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Get there, we'll have a great time.
Speaker 1 (41:12):
All the big time trainers, they say, Bob Bafford is
supposed to stick his head in.
Speaker 2 (41:17):
So come through. He's where it's raining. If you want
to talk to you tomorrow. We're out, bye bye.
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