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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back to Eve Sports Radio. Welcome back. It is
May the twenty third, twenty twenty five. It's Friday. Of course,
I just thought it was appropriate to start it with
a song honoring the falling great Ones for Memorial Day.

(00:23):
I was telling my younger son Anthony and George were
on the other line, William or Leland, I've got a
new producer today, Welcome back. Bring on the host of
today because I'm not going to stay on George. Good morning, Anthony,
good morning.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Morning.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
You got it. I'm gonna get out of here two way.
But George and I always do this, Anthony, so I
just wanted to bring you in. But guys, we know
I was telling Anthony this morning, George, he's known all
his family members that served. He just didn't know him
like I did, and like you have right because you know,
we haven't been in that situation. From his uncle Carrie,

(01:01):
to my dad, to all my dad's brothers, to my
mother's father, to all my mother's brothers, to my uncle Dip,
who was a Green Beret, who was one of the
Great's Purple Heart. His name is miss mister Evans. Stanley
Evans's dad, Millicin's dad with Fern Creek Purple Heart. Just
so people know I understand what this holiday is about.

(01:26):
We have a lot of great ones Christmas, of course, Easter,
but this one does mean something. Guys, so I wanted
to wish you all a great show. I'm stepping out, George.
If you talk about me, I'll come back on. I
just want you to know that, George.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
It's no bad thing about you. He's no bad thing
about you. Man. I'm looking forward to doing the show
and then he Man.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
I know, I let you know what. I can't let
you have all the fun, George.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
No, I know, man, good you want anyway? You know?
I mean, I had so many good jokes for you today. Man,
I feel feel bad. I'll save them yourself anyway.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
YouTube William take care of him, Jerry Eves. I've got
things I have to do today.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Love you too, My brother Peter.

Speaker 3 (02:17):
Don't listen to him, folst What he what He's what
He's What He's really just saying today is he's gonna
go to the golf range, work on a swing for
about two and a half hours, come over lunch and
take a nap on the couch.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
All right.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
He goes through days.

Speaker 3 (02:31):
More than the NBA players. Does I love giving him
a hard time about it. Don't ask about how he
played Despinay George, because he's swear up and down that
he was just steal my brother's money left and right
out there on the golf course. He's played horrible the
first four holes and the next thing you know, he
was just stealing money out of his pocket.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
I don't know because when we play in person, I've
yet to see that in those performances in person. But
when he does play with my brother, I won't deny.
I think he does play better. I don't think he
plays a good when I play with him. I don't
know what it is.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
You may have an intimidating you know, he gets a
little scared of you. As I'm saying, intimidation. You know
what I mean. You got it, you got him running. You
know what I mean. I think I think you won't
get my back. I think Frankie gives him a break.
You know what I'm saying. I think you go all out.
You want to destroy it.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I don't like to lose, but you know, in golf,
I will say I probably the one sport I've lost
more than My entire life is in golf because I'm
a slightly above average. It's not the same as basketball.
That's why I can control it a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Golf I can't.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
That's kind of sometimes it's working. Sometimes I'm the worst
golfer on the planet.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
But that's why I didn't play golf. Man, Now, I
would be bankrupt because, like you say, I'm competitive as heck,
and if I get out there and I start losing,
I'd be out there with them balls sitting every day.
So I'm just glad I don't have that bug at all.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well, somebody I didn't want to get into, I think
that this is more of your out. I think it
was yesterday. Today is the fiftieth anniversary of the Kentucky
Colonels to feeding the Indiana Pacers and the ABA Championships.
Players that were on that team. I know they had
artist Gilmore dan Issel and Louis dan Pere. You should
be just a little bit about those players because I
wasn't even alive on the Cuty Turtles who were around,

(04:17):
so I have no idea about them. I know you
know more information.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Than I did, right right, right, well, and now I'm
gonna tell you what's ironic. They were going to recreate
the A B A here in Louisbroe and around the country.
And at that time when they were going to recreate it,
and I was fortunate enough to be named the general
manner of the new team that we were gonna bring
to Louisville, even though it didn't come up come about

(04:40):
as we wanted to, but I was fortunate enough to
get the name of the m v P. I got
to go to their fiftieth anniversary with artists gil Moore,
Dan Lseel, Royan Thomas uh Uh. I got mentioned my
boy Allan Muffin from the University of Louisville. He got
to play on that. Jimmy Dan Conners was on that.
But Louis Dam I mean, you know, and what made

(05:02):
it so good You had a lot of local presents
on that team, you know what I mean. And it
was a heck of a league. And they were the
one who started the three point content, I mean really
the three point line man. And they had a red,
white and blue ball which all attention. They had Doctor
j in the league. It was a phenomenal league. Uh.
The iceman George Gervin, some of the best players that
moved over from the ABA to the NBA was during

(05:25):
that time. Man, But it was. It was a phenomenal time.
And I liked it because you had two different leagues
and that's that was a rival were within itself. You know.
We used to play out at Crawl for gym and
it was so funny because Rich brig and then would
be out there and the NBA ball players would be players,
and they would tell them, Man, we don't play with
no red, white and blue ball, you know what I mean. So,
but it was a great time, man, And the ball
players they were lively and uh, I'll tell you a

(05:48):
great study that I loved. Man, when back then they
would just buy the ball players, right. So, Moses Malone
was one of the big time high school ball players.
And that's Semester dab too. And they allowed high school
ball players to go pro. You know, they were the
first to do that.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
I don't even I don't I don't remember what year
they stopped it to where high school players you can
go straight professionally. Now I know they kind of they
kind of go around the circles of it. Now, a
lot of people were either play in a little bit.
They were playing on that G League in nineteen for
a while, some kids went overseas they just drafted. But
I know they changed the rule now. I think some
of them, I think they're close allowed if I'm not wrong,
that they can go to the draft from prep schools.

(06:27):
But obviously even with the from the prep schools and
Juco's now is different. I know they're kind of getting
the way from all those players with the COVID going
into like those fifth, sixth, and seven years. But I
know that they changed the rule to where if you
played JUCO or if you play prep school, that those
years don't count towards your NCAA eligibility, which is.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Gonna be aba, Aba, you can go straight straight. You
didn't have to worry about you know, no other league
did that. They just come and get you. And the
thing I would change you about most of the malone
he went. He decided he was going to go to
cost and go to Maryland. Uh. The ABA said, oh no,
you won't. They drove up to Maryland and they had
a Lincoln. They had an Imperial car Christler Imperial. They

(07:06):
drove up and they had the trunk full of money,
and they said, and this if you sign now, this
car and everything in it is yours. And he went
and signed in the A B A. It was a
It was a fantastic league, and they had all kinds
of crazy stories, man, and it was uh, it was
something to see, man, and that three point line and
the ball players individually. It was a great conference. And
some of your best NBA ball players left there and

(07:29):
went over to the NBA. So you know, San Antonio
was an ABA team. Them Nuggets is a ab A team.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
There were a lot. I'm glad they didn't give you
that money because that whole school will be un an
investigation right now currently.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
And I wouldn't have worried about it, but you could
believe one thing, I'd have been driving out of the
parking lot. I would have been talking out of the
parking lot.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah, you know, you have lines thing you had to
file for insurance fraud or something.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Whatever what it took. But I would have been driving
out to parking now with that car full of money. Though.
But it was a great conference, man, And I tell
you one thing that also helped escalate the ball players
getting paid too, you know, because they had to compete
out the ABA will pay them a little bit more
than the NBA will pay them a little bit more.
So it really helped the NBA ball players be able
to get a good side because up in the then,
a lot of the NBA ball players had to have

(08:20):
a second job, you know, while they were playing in
the league.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
That's true. It's getting a lot more competitive now with
with nils and money that's overseas professional. Come on, man,
there's a competitive nature in every aspect and every level
of sports, even high school. Now, I see high school
kids kneel when we're in diamond chains walking around. They're
not even in college.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (08:42):
I've seen it with my own eyes. I'm like, this
is crazy. I look at them. I'm like you were
in a dining chain. Yeah, I got a couple of them.
I'm like a couple, bro, I have one?

Speaker 2 (08:52):
But right, right? But do you think that prepares them
better for the NBA? I mean, when they get ready
to come out to do their contract, do you think
that they're more prepared? You how you think that's affecting
ball players leaving to go to the NBA, That preparation
for the NBA.

Speaker 3 (09:07):
Ooh no, that's something I actually I'm gonna save that
for when we come back from break, because that's okay,
all right, somebody do want to get into. So we're
gonna going and get into our first commercial break. The
time is seven seventeen, it is Friday. We're gonna go
ahead and take that and we'll be right back. Is
e sports radio phone numbers five oh two, five seven
one seventy nine hundred. Welcome back to the sports radio

(09:27):
phone numbers five oh two, five seven seventy nine hundred.
I know George and I were just about to dive
deep into that topic talking about how that money management
aspect for a lot of kids negotiating high school and
prep school going into college, can help negotiate their contracts
going even into the professional level. Now, I can't speak
on it for because I don't know how there really
contracts work. I don't know how they're actually fully paid. Obviously,

(09:51):
we see accusations of how they're paid all the time.
You know, some kids are projected making around two million,
three million dollars. Some kids are making five hundred to
seven hundred and fifty th dollars, which is not technically confirmed.
They could be making less, they could be making more.
That could be just a summary accumulative from their other
you know, the sponsors, endorsement deals. I know some kids
have with clothing, some have it with food, car dealerships,

(10:13):
whatever the case may be. But I hope that they're
going through these steps correctly. When it comes to negotiating
the contracts, I hope they're doing it a lot smarter
than what I'm expecting in my head. I hate to
say it. I'm not saying every kid is like this,
but I know myself at eighteen years old, if I
didn't have a strong influence for my father, myself, or
someone that would help me manage my money a lot smarter,

(10:37):
there'd be a small chance that I would definitely blow
through a lot of my money very quickly at eighteen
years old. There's just a lot of money for an
eighteen year old to have. Most it's very rare. You're
in the zero point zero one percent of eighteen year
olds that could be a multimillionaire at that age if
you don't get drafted to the NBA, and I think
that's just a lot to handle. You know, some kids
handle it well. I think some kids might go out

(10:57):
there to buy a jewelry, to buy a clothes they're driving.
You know, they're driving brand new Mercedes. It's just their
lifestyle changes. You know. Everyone's like, well, if I had
that much money, I would I wouldn't spend it on
crazy stuff. I would just still live my normal life
and just have money to account. But you know, it's
hard to say that until you actually have that money
in front of you. Then you can get to that situation.
You're like, well, you know, you're not eating a lot

(11:18):
of the noodles in the dorm room like I was,
and even my dad was at the time, that you're
eating steak and lobster. It's just that bank account and
you see those dollars in there. It just doesn't work
the same. And I think that is something that I
hope that they're at least teaching them, taking classes on.
I know, some class some states other than Kentucky, North
Carolina where I went to school, and offer finance classes

(11:39):
in high school, which I wish we would have offered here,
which I don't know why they don't do it in
every state. I think it's just just smart overall to
offer that to everyone. I mean, it's just base knowledge,
you know. I think you need to know how to
fire your taxes and need to know how your taxes
work income for one kge retirement plans. That's just the
way life is nowadays. And they don't teach you that
in high school. They'll teach you how to do a

(12:00):
math equation that you'll never see again in your entire life,
but they won't tell you how to fire your taxes,
which is just kind of silly to me a little bit.
But I hope it changes. I least I hope it
changes in Kentucky. So that's one thing I do want
to get on. But another thing I do want to
get a.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Topic of is we're talking about and can I say
something on that before you finish it up? Yeah? Well, well,
like I said, you know, you were speaking about a
young man eighteen and nineteen years old being able to
handle their money and to do with that. Well, I
can speak for it on first hand because I watched
when Derek was coming out of school and how these

(12:36):
agents work and how they come at you like piranhas,
and like I say, they don't give you a chance.
They will promote you to start spending your money because
they make more money off of you. And so you
know you're talking about an eighteen year old and a
parent that's not been experienced and I had that kind
of money. It is very traumatic for them to go
there because you know, you can easily go back up

(12:57):
really quickly because they will feed you whatever you want.
They will, in fact want you to get more than
you really need. And you have to keep up the
equations and keeping up how much you're spending really all
the time because you know they will and they will
take a percentage out of anything they do for you.
And I don't know if it's the same way on college,
but I doubt that college was providing them with agents
and that they had to you know, can take only

(13:18):
so much of a percentage out of their money and
stuff like that. I just think that's gonna be uh.
I think it's very beneficial. And like you were talking
about the financial program now this year in Kentucky, I
think they'll passed a bill that they will be teaching
in all schools how to bank and the finance and
uh your money now. So I think it's what you
say and is coming to past. And I think that

(13:39):
even those that don't play pro need to know how
to handle that money and be able to use their
money in the correct way, so it'll be beneficial to
them later on in their life. So I just wanted
to add that.

Speaker 3 (13:49):
Well, I appreciate one hundred percent. I'm glad to bringing
that here too, because it needs it needs to be
for for any for anyone coming from growing up, or
any student.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Not so.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
You're not the only ones you know, and I hate
to say it, every the old athletes. If you look
at a percentage of even wealthy people in America, a
very low percentage comes from athletes. You know, Athletes don't make.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
The world about one percent, don't about one percent.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
They really don't. They don't make the world go around.
Everything's Oh, the only way I can make it is
I become a professional athlete. And like the people that
you see then you drive by the big house in
the neighborhood, ninety nine point nine nine percent of those
people are not athletes. They probably never even played a
score in college. So don't let think app sports is
the only way that you can feel like you can
be successful or make money, because it's one hundred percent not.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
But that's one of the ways they program programming on people,
and they program you to believe that it's an easy way,
and this is the easiest way you can do. All
you got to do is run and have fun, jump
up and down and play basketball. The basketball is all
they on TV so that they can use advertisement to
sell the products. They're making the money for those people
that you're talking about on the sideline. That just making
the real money, you know what I mean, because a

(14:55):
lot of people don't understand the athlete. They're not making
the most money. They just make you think they are
because they give you, Oh, he's making three hundred million dollars,
but they don't break it down how much he gets
every annually. Every year. He doesn't get three hundred million
a year. Some people think that when they see the
three hundred million, it's annually. It's not an annual thing.

Speaker 3 (15:13):
No, that's true. Just you know, just there, don't suck
your kids thinking and to being you know, don starry acting.
It's the only way. But something else. We were just
we were just talking about the Pacers and the Kentucky
Colonels with the Avia still got to get into.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Oh man, that was a game. I was arrival with
that by that was I think.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
That was the most electrifying game that I've watched on
TV of sports. Probably I don't even want to sit
there and like it is probably my I can be
like in the last probably five years I watched NBA
basket I always gonna say my entire life, but a
statistic it was like at a nine hundred and ninety
four games, It's never happened where teams came back down
from fourteen and under two minutes.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
Never.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
I don't know if the fact that I feel like
I've seen it more happen more in college sports because
college kids kind of folding the pressure sometimes, especially you
know in the tournament, you have those little miracle runs
that small school gets trapped full court by an SEC
team that start turning the ball over, it starts scoring,
the dribbling off or foot. It happens more in college
sports because they're just not well you know, but no,

(16:23):
I just go ahead.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I just thought, well, I think the difference in college
and pros though, and is everybody in the pros level
with all somebody all American, all everything. They understand how
to play basketball a lot. There's no weak links in
uh pro ball. Most of all them players got real game.
But the thing you have in college you've got freshmen

(16:45):
you've got people who are really coming into the game.
They're really developing the game at that point. So you know,
you have advantages that you can take up of in
college more than you doing the pros. Most of the
pros are experienced players and there are a lot strong
and a lot more better than Each player is better
than the average college ball player because you may have,
like a good example with Scott, Scott's basic asset was

(17:06):
just to grab the ball and dunk it in the basket. Well,
you know you got centers now there after shooting the threes.
They can handle the ball, they can do a lot more.
They more got more attributes now than they did, uh
what between the college and the pros. So I think
that's a big difference when you watch him play college
ball players, Like you say, you got a freshman that's
never been under that pressure. You don't know what he
may do under that pressure. But a lot of pro

(17:28):
ball players they've been under the microscope all their life.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
That is true. But I know you're talking about even
with the big men of being able to stretch the
floor that I've seen so many pros and cons of
big men that can shoot now because.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, I mean but compared to college ball players.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Though, did you see the have you?

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Have you seen that?

Speaker 3 (17:46):
It's not even a video. It's like a short interview
of Michael Jordan back when he was playing, talking about
he didn't want a three point shooter because he thought
it would take away from his other skill sets that
he brought to the table. Right, it's a problem. When
he said that, I was like, I was like, you
wouldn't want to have a good three points? You nothing,
You gotta go out there and shoot like Steph Curry.
But you know they leaving your wide open. You know

(18:07):
you can knock down a shot confidently. But obviously it's
Michael Jordan and said he didn't have a confiden shoot
at three point. He probably most definitely did, but it
was still kind of threw me off.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Well, you got to look at it, and it was
a new phase at that time, and nobody shot like
stuff Curry. Nobody used a three point line. It wasn't.
It wasn't. It wasn't. The it was three point line
was to get you back in the game. It wasn't.
You know, most ball players only every maybe maybe six
a game. With a high proportion for a ball player
to shoot at that time. So I understand why he
said and he only won the fifty foot because he

(18:39):
knew he was more accurate. And back then they talked
about how accurate you was, not like that you already
chus like thirty four percent. You know, mugg go out
and missed seven seven threes and come back and hit four,
and we talked about he had a good game, you
know what I mean. But back then, you know, the
whole team they only shot thirteen threes. Well, now you
got some players to shoot thirteen threes every game, and
if you don't shoot thirteen threes, we try to forget
what's wrong with him. So the way that they used

(19:01):
the three point line then and the way they use
it now is totally a lot different. So I can't
understand why he didn't want a three point shot because
it wasn't really attricate. It was more fantastic. But what
your percentage you shot at that time, rather than how
many three pointers you hit at that time. Now people
look at the three point line is you know, if
you can't hit it, you can't play.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yeah, I mean a lot of teams say that because
the three point line has been the saving grace for
a lot of their games. Obviously Pacers last night their
three point line was their their little saving grace. Oh no,
that hit seven threes in a row, Well, he probably
ever hit seven threes aging in his career. Probably not
not trying to knock the kid, because he's a good player,
a good shooter, but realistically seven threes, let alone in

(19:41):
a playoff game with two minutes ago, you hit four
in a row. I could probably throw money on that.
That will never happen again.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
But it was a big change though. He's like I'm saying,
though the three point line now is more valuable than
on like the Olympics and the European ball players, and
when they got to see it, it wasn't used as
much as it is used now to kick game in
the game. You know what I'm saying that that's the difference.
That's That's what I'm saying that the three point line,
Like I said, as a team, as a team, you

(20:07):
might have not shot thirteen threes. You know, now you
got four or five people on the team to shoot
four or five three like Boston they shot sixty. Well
you might have the whole league and I shoot sixty
at one night. So it was a big change. And
so now now it's just a ray of life. Well
back then it was coming to life.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
It does. I think just the three point line this
is easily a way of life. I think it just
offers more opportunities.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
You know what I'm saying. It was coming into life.
It was a change, you know, it was evolving. So
when Steph Kurry came in, he changed the whole he
changed the whole platform. At that point, nobody shot like that.
When the Golden State did what they did, we'd never
seen the three point shot.

Speaker 3 (20:43):
The other players an opportunity to play at that level.

Speaker 2 (20:46):
There, you're right, there, you go.

Speaker 3 (20:48):
Is not effective. Steph Curry probably wouldn't be in the
NBA exactly right, you know, exactly right, exactly right. I probably
wouldn't have play college basketball. Three line wasn't there. That
was That was mainly what I was known for. I
wasn't finishing up.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
Seven right, right, And that's why it changed the game.
It gave a lot of people the opportunities that didn't
have the speed and stuff they to play this game.
You're so so correct, you know what I mean. And
that was a big change. And I'm not I think
and it was a good change. The ABA did it though,
but they they were doing it back in the day
too before you know, the NBA, before the merged, they
shot the three quite a bit. There were quite a

(21:21):
few great three point shoots in the ABA, as you
were talking about earlier. So you know, they they really
cultivated that that that three point line, because that's what
made like you're talking about the places, you know what
I mean, they really could shoot shoot that three.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
One hundred percent. We're gonna go ahead and get to
our second break, mister Williams. Time seven thirty three here
still Friday a twenty third because the East fourth Rader
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(21:59):
You've had some great top today, but we've hit I'm
glad that we've hit him because they needed to be
talked about. But something I do want to get into
that is coming up for a lot of local fans,
obviously U of L and UK fans, is these rosters
that they have coming in for this years and the
teams that they have set so far. So obviously, I
know that Hawthorne did commit to UK. He's a four

(22:19):
star commit that did just sign I think, not even
not even less than a week ago. They say he's
a consensus four star coming out of rival with ESPN
and twenty four to seven sports. He's sentially ranked the
number one, the number one hundred and first overall player
in twenty five. He's ranked twenty four amongst small forwards.
I haven't got to see him play or knowing much

(22:40):
about his play style and what he brings to the table,
so I gotta do some more research on him because
I know I just saw that recently obviously. And then
UVEL signed a new player as well. They signed an
African kid from NBA Africa. He's supposed to be a
good addition to the team kind of know. His name
is Mohammed Kamara. He's a four star sixty forward, which
is a great sign as of right now. And I

(23:01):
say that just because we still are uncertain about Ali
Khalifa and his eligibility coming up for the twenty five season,
which is still crazy to me. I know his red
shirt years and things did not get approved by the
NCAA at the time, I don't know, I don't understand,
and my dad did explain it to me, so I
can't say I sit here and I don't understand. So
during COVID, the short season I think that we had,

(23:22):
and maybe twenty one or twenty two when COVID was
kind of at its highest rate, is that a lot
of the players they were told to still play during
that COVID year even though it was cut short, because
they would get that extra year of LGB ability back
to keep the TV ratings up and keep that TV
deals going that they have with a lot of the
bid networks going on, which I did not know at
the time, which makes perfect sense to why a lot

(23:44):
of kids were getting that fifth and sixth year because
they did play during that short season when it was
only twelve or fourteen games, and then they get to
come back and get that extra year of eligibility and
play now and story game that year because they made
that agreement early on. Alias Khalif a red shirt of
his fresh year out of University of Ars. It played
two seasons, then transferred to BYU and then trying to
red shirt medically again, now this medical this red shirt

(24:06):
is medically the first one. I think he just red
shirted because either he was still developing young or the
rosters is super loaded up. A lot of coaches will
just readsert certain players so they don't lose that year
of eligibility when they know they're not going to play
a ton, which makes perfect sense. They have appealed it.
Will we get approved. I'm not one hundred percent sure.
I mean, I hope it does, because at this point
we've seen so many kids that are playing. They're allowed

(24:28):
on prep school and JUCO year players to still get
four years eligibility. I played in JUCO for two years,
So I just don't see why it's always such an
issue with U of L. I don't know if the
NCAA A just still has a dilemma with the University
of Louislle when it comes to certain things. I just
know for other schools it wouldn't go like this, because
even if we're talking about it now, Zakai Ziggler is
suing the NCAA for ce trying to get a fifth

(24:50):
season in a fifth year to play of eligibility, which
I don't even know why he's suiting for.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
I mean, he's nothing now, and you're not right on
the that one. Chad zigglers trying to shoot for. I
can play at Tennessee as long as I want to,
as long as they'll giving me a scholarship. That's what
he's shooting for.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
Brother's time to graduate.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Man, you don't want to leave me. You don't want
to leave some players.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
I feel like they've been college basketball for so long.
Did I play against him?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 3 (25:24):
I feel like I played against you my freshman year.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Uh my dad played against you his freshman year.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
Man, I hate to see it. I understand you. You're
trying to get the money that you feel like you deserves.
That's why a lot of these cats on those extra
season because there's a lot of money on the table.
But then comes the point in time you got to
give the younger guys coming out of high school a
chance to even go to college. A lot of these
kids dreams are getting blushed down the toilet because they're
playing thirty year olds in college basketball. It's just.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
But you know, you got to be the exceptional freshman
now to really even get a college look. Because coaches
are going in and trying to save their jobs, and
really they're not looking at really the high school ball player.
They're looking at the more experienced ball players. So you know,
the prep ball players, the JUCO ball players, the good
ball players that were smaller schools that coaches have developed,
and now you're coming in and rating the program and

(26:13):
taking them out. So you know, you've got to be
exceptional to being high school and think a big time
school is coming after you.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
You do an it's tough to say I'm glad PK
coach Pat Kelsey is still grabbing high school players. I
still like that he's doing that well. He may not
have the best record on the table even across the
ACC and NCAA because he is bringing in younger kids,
but I do love him because he's giving them a
chance and he sees the potential, the upside and growth

(26:41):
that a lot of these players have. Every player that
you're not gonna get is gonna be a transfer player.
Every player is not gonna be a one and done.
But and it sucks to say that because there's a
lot of good coaches who are gonna put their jobs
at risk giving kids an opportunity because they love the
sport and they love the passion rather than I'm gonna
go out there and just get a bunch of twenty
five year olds with a transfer them see if I
can win thirty games, win the national championship, just to

(27:03):
keep it alive. And it's what it sucks and it
is just well, it's how it is.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Now. Well you're looking at that. And as much as
you said you like what coach Kelsey's doing, and I
hate to say this, but you know, fans out fanatical.
If these young men do not work out, he'll be
looking for a job, you know what I mean. And
that's just the way it is. I mean, you almost,
I mean mull say, oh, I like what he does,
but then when he does it and it doesn't work,
we don't give him a reprieve and say, well, let's

(27:29):
give him a second chance to look at what he's
gonna do. And you gone, you I mean, it's just
a it's just a cool pill. And I think that's
one of the reasons that high school kids are not
getting a drastic because the fans say, if you don't win, coach,
we don't want you in our program.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
That is true. There's there's a lot of hot seat
comes around. It's always saying there's more money, there's more responsibility,
which is true responsibility for these kids coming to the
transferport now.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
So I'm not gonna take a chance on a young player.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Yeah, they're coming and making you know, to perform.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
Every no doubt, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
FIF point game, you don't. You have eight points now
where you foul out and fifteen minutes of plan. They
don't want that anymore. They're going to hate you when
they do, and you're gonna turn into those teams in
the NBA. Like some people say, it's hard playing for
the Knicks and hard playing for the Lakers because their
fan base is so interactive with the team and they're
so strong of an influence that it can affect how
a player plays, and it really does. It's hard playing

(28:27):
for it seems like the Knicks, and it's hard playing
for the Lakers. But if you go out there and
you play for the.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Knicks and you suck, you're gonna know well. And then
one thing I say, if they paying you that kind
of money, you supposed to grab them. Suposed to be
a superstar. You know when you walk, when you walk
into the land and the Mecca, brother, if you ain't
ready to play. When you get there, then they suposed
to brew you. They paid their money to come see you.
I've always said in college ball, when you are paid,

(28:53):
people pay their money to come see you, you are
supposed to perform because if you don't, they pay so
they have the right to bill you. You know what
I mean. So that show obligation. That show obligation when
I put my money on the line to come watch
you participate. I want to see one of you playing
on that floor. Don't don't talk about if you can't play, coach,
don't put him in. If he's in it, don't put

(29:13):
him in because I have the right to brew you
if you're not performing, because I put money on the
line for you. And now you've got this to rat
and think about this. The gamblers, they don't not this's
not brew you. They call you up and let you
know how they feel about you.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
You can't base off you can't based off the gambling addicts.
That's a whole I.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Didn't say, no, no, I didn't. I added that to
what my what I was saying. I just used that,
and then I didn't say I didn't use that. At
the program. I've talked about all the other things. People's
one pages, come see you. And then I just said
that when you gamble, because if I'm losing money, they
even doing commercials about it. If you lose, don't cause
the young man up. So it is a proven fact
that the harational young men. But I'm not saying that's

(29:54):
the attribute.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
But yeah, no, I completely understand all that aspect. It's just,
you know, it's just one of those controversies where I
get college players are getting paid. You know, I say,
like the miniature superstars, and I say, minister stupertars, just
because the contracts aren't as big as NBA. That's really
the only difference. There's not as many games, but they're

(30:16):
still getting paid quite a bit for the thirty games
you're playing in college basketball. It's only like I payed
three million dollars for thirty games. There's no way you
can turn that down. There's no way. But I want
to get into that by saying this is because you
still have to understand even though these kids are getting
paid now for money that should have been paid a
long time ago. For athletes, it should have been paid
back even when my dad was playing. When you're bringing
in a third of your revenue to your school and

(30:37):
your kids are eating remnula that night that calls sixty
cents to make. It just doesn't really add up. But
the only reason why I say this is because you
still have to understand a lot of these kids are
still seventeen eighteen years old, and I sit there and
say that it is. They're going to go out there
and they're going to have bad performing nights. That it's
just part of college sports. That's part of a developing
aspect to getting to that professional level. The ones, the

(30:58):
superstars that are drafted in those lottery picks between one
and fifteen, the reason why they go on those hot
locks is because the upside is because they don't have
those bad of knights. They're bad knights are good knights
for everybody else they're bad. Well, seventeen points, eight rebounds,
six assists for most players, that's a phenomenal night. That's
a career night for them. That's the difference between a

(31:19):
lottery first round pick. You guys who don't go on drafted,
but they're paying every Every top player in the SEC
is making a mill on one team. But I can
see her and say that the top player on South
Carolina ain't going to the draft the same as the
top player in Kentucky is, but they might be getting
paid similar amounts. That's the thing that doesn't.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
But if you if you're paying your money to go
see this player participate in this game and he plays,
he has a terrible season, you think that you you
you don't want Even the school is boring him. Even
the people who gave me a nial deal. That's boring
this cat, you know what I mean. And it just
it just prepares them what they're going to face in
the NBA. Only different it they're on TV more and
they get talked about more, but they still have the

(31:57):
obligation to go out there and start to perform. When
you're getting paid, do you would you be paying a
young man a million dollars a year branding back a
second year and he didn't perform the first year and
he didn't perform like you wanted, would you bring him back?

Speaker 3 (32:10):
There's tons of kids that are getting paid one hundred thousands,
not millions of dollars. They're never going to touch an
NBA for us anothera.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
I understand that, but that that's the chimp change money.
Now one hundred thousand dollars in the Chimp change money.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Now, there are prime examples of guys who've probably made
millions in colleges that are probably never sniff.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
In the NBA. For I would say, but they do
good for their school, they school for the right that
that's taking them far enough that we can we can
afford to pay you this kind of money because you
know only one, maybe less than a percentage of the
people go to Poe.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
You can say that a hundred Dickons has one of
the worst two year career runs at Kansas. And I'm
not saying, oh, his statistics weren't good. He went to
Kansas and they had two of their worst seasons that
they had under the Bill Silk while Hunter Dickinson was there.
So did he really go there and perform like he
was supposed to? No, he really didn't. He had a
better career before he transferred, that he did better at
Michigan than he did at Kansas, and they run back

(33:02):
for more money after the first year.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
The one thing you got to remember about that and
is that if they're willing to pay you, I'm willing
to accept your money. That's the thing. What is my
value rates to you, and that's the key. That's the key.
What what is my value to your program? And some
programs looked at you like, well, we looked at he's
not a great ball player to us, but to that
program he does some for and he generates it so
that they're willing to give him that money because they

(33:29):
don't have to, you know what I mean. But they
feel like he generates enough for our program that we're
gonna give it. And he transferred to a program to
make more money. And like you said, he didn't even
he wasn't one of the best centers to ever play
that but they paid him, and they paid him for
two years. So I'm gonna take the money, you know,
I mean, you always they're gonna be a great ball player.
It's like a lot of pro ballplayer. We say, well,

(33:49):
why did they take him? He's not really good. But
if they're gonna give me that money, and I don't
care what the fans gonna say about me, I'm gonna participate.
I'm gonna take your money.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
They gotta pay somebody to come there.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
They might there you go, there, you go getting paid.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
But before we get into it, before we dive just
a little bit deeper into it, we get to our
some of our next topics. We're gonna go to our
last commercial break here. I'm time at seven forty eight
for those who were'shing to work at eight o'cl right now.
I'll be safe getting there. They'll cause any accidents. I
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Pope numbers five oh two, five seven one. Will be
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Sports Radio. Time is seven to fifty two. Phone numbers

(34:26):
five oh two, five seven, one, seventy nine hundred. Just
a few topics I want to hit before we get
out of here this weekend. One of the things I
did want to bring up that I wanted to bring
up earlier and I forgot is that Arizona UCL leader
to meet at the end to a dome. They're honoring
in Bill Walton in one of the games later this
season in the Pac twelve former Pac twelve basketball rivals
to be exact, which is something I think is pretty interesting.

(34:48):
The game's gonna be held on November fourteenth, and we'll
honor the late Bill Walton or the former Bill Walton
being starting resides at the Bruins in college. His son
Luke Walton played for the Wildcasts and Elder Walton broadcast
games and both schools. So I think that's something that's
pretty special, pretty interesting that's going on also as well.
A couple of the transfer portals that we do want
to notify that I have signed their schools coming up

(35:10):
for this year. I know everyone was, you know, in
the worriabouts of where Beggy Flammer was gonna end to
go into the draft or if he was going to
go back to Arkansas or going to a different school,
which he did end up signing to Florida. So Boogie
Flay and the Arkansas superstar who was out most of
the season with injuries, will be going to Florida under
Todd Golden to go down there and try to be
their next superstar to fill in those shoes of Walker

(35:30):
Clayton Jr. Who is going off to the Draft this year.
Another big name that just popped up in the commitment
yesterday is the Texas check trans for Darren Williams, which
was their superstar last year for Texas Tech. He's committed
to NT State, so he is shipping on out of there.
He's going out with will Wade for McNeice McNee State,
who just took over the NC State job coming up
this year. He took that school over Kansas, Ohio State,

(35:54):
and Washington put up numbers of fifteen points, five and
a half rebounds of three and a half a sis
per game last season, which I think is a great
pick up for mcnick State. They're gonna be one of
those schools that's gonna be an awkward team to watch
in the AEC. And I don't mean awkwardis and they'll
be bad because McNee State held their own a lot
last year throughout conference and even throughout the tournament. A

(36:14):
lot of those schoues kids from McNee State are transferring
to NC State, along with transfers coming in from the
Portal and a couple of high school recruits. They're gonna
be one of those teams that you're gonna have to
watch out for on the ACC. The AEC last year
was pretty much what I'd like to say it was.
It was a cruise walk. You know, outside of Duke
and pretty much U of l last year, everybody else
was kind of bad. They're they're really bad. You know,

(36:35):
UNC wasn't good, Virginia was bad. Syracuse, Florida State, Boston College.
It was. It wasn't good. There were only three teams
in that one hundred last year, so if that says
anything for how the ACC summed up, that past season
was pretty undermining. But hopefully this year coming up, with
some of the new coaches emerging in the ACC and
transfers coming in, I hope.

Speaker 4 (36:55):
To still see I hate to say it, I still
got to see my Duke team at the top of
the ACC. I'm sorry Usla and she might hate me
for it, but that's okay. But I still want to
see Pat Kelsey be successful in the ACC. I still
want to see UFL be successful. My buddy Kshon Pryor
is on the team too, so I hope he comes
back full of healthy inness next season after chairing his
ACO last year. I know his dad's been posting stuff

(37:16):
of him working out and getting back in the gym
fully after five months post surgery, so he's looking good.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
He's moving well. Just talk to him about two weeks ago,
so good friend of mine. I hope he has a
phenomenal senior year season coming up. That's all I can say, folks.
I know this show has been filled with a lot
of stats with a lot of information. Mister Williams, I
want to thank you and doubtedly for joining me on
the show when my dad's on Low's Management in the
basement right now, drooling on himself. I'm just kidding, but

(37:44):
I hope everyone in Georgia a weekend the joys a
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We will be back on Wednesdays, will be back to
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