June 10, 2025 • 42 mins
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what today's show is going to beat. Uh, you know
it is a Murray State baseball uh. I will mention
that because it was exciting, but not yet. We have
to talk about the news Vince Merrow. At this point,
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you know, Vince Merrow has h is leaving Kentucky to
become the general manager of Louisville football in a move
that is one of the more it's not shocking, but
it's one of the more surprising moves that I can
remember in Kentucky athletics. It is it is gonna be
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one that will have ramifications for everybody for a long time,
for Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Football, for Louisville football.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
For Vince, and you know it is. Look, it'll be.
This is one of those you just say, Okay, we
can talk about this the whole show. I got all
these topics, We're not gonna get to any of them.
It's gonna be this. I'm gonna give a shout out
to Murray State. That's that's the thing. But Ryan Living
is here, Shannon, the dude is here, guys. I was
about to go to dinner. I had a friend in
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tab from the fellowship, I mean from Miami really, and
we were going to go to dinner last night and
I was gonna leave my phone at home.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I thought, this dude's here from Miami.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Shannon. Yeah, I'm not gonna take my phone out. Happenings
gonna be huge, June, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's Jude.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I've already talked to my mom earlier today. She knows,
I'm okay, I'm just gonna go ahead and uh. And
then fifteen minutes before I leave to walk out the door,
this happens, and so I have to spend the dinner going, hey, man,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I gotta deal with that, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
So here's my reaction, and then I'll go to you guys.
My reaction was not I'm not shocked he's leaving. I'm
very surprised he's going to Louisville. Now, Okay, if you
had told me in December, I actually thought at the
end of the year he was gonna go somewhere. I
didn't think he'd come back for another year. Then I
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thought Louisville was a real possibility, and I kind of
had prepared myself at the beginning of December that he
would go to Louisville. You remember, of course, our interview
which Shannon had a clip of at the Pizza Ranch
in wherever.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
That was, Iowa City, Iowa City yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Terrible interview by him at the time. Terrible interview that was.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
But he ends up staying and so I am surprised
this happens in June he goes to Louisville. I'm going
to look at it from like three different angles. First
of all, the angle for UK football. It's a big loss.
It's a loss in terms of recruiting, although it would
have been a worst loss three or four years ago
pre in Il. Yes, because in Il does do a
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little bit of what he used to do. I still
think he matters, but like it used to be, if
he had left, there wouldn't be a roster. I don't
think that's true anymore. But it does matter. But it
matters even more from a perception standpoint, right. I mean,
this was the in some ways the face of your program,
Mark Stoops, I guess is the face. But if he's
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won and Vince is one a right in my pin,
the most beloved coach, most beloved assistant UK coach ever
ever any sport period.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I donate mabe Joe B when he was assistant.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Maybe Joe B. It's a good one as maybe Leonard
Hamilton for a little while.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
But Vince by far the most beloved assistan.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, certainly since I've been doing it, most beloved assistant coach.
And he leaves, and he leaves his friend. And the
symbol like the symbolic nature of that, you can't you
can't underestimate. So that's number one. Number two is for
the Kentucky Louisville dynamic. This the rivalry Louisville gets. The
guy who took in state recruiting from Louisville, he and
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John Summer all took in state recruiting from Louisville, had
had it for a period of time. Yep, Kentucky took
it back. And not only did Kentucky take back the state,
they took Louisville. We had six or eight years where
we were getting there from Louisville, and now they take
him back. I don't know what a effect will have
on the state as a whole, but it probably shuts
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the door on the city of Louisville.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Would you agree with that.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
I would think it probably does.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I don't know about the rest of the state. We'll
have to see you knock up Louisville now Louisville's locked
up now, and I think some of these places where
we were really getting a bunch of guys like North
Harden and stuff like that, that starts to become a
little yeah for tricky third Vince. I mean, you know,
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don't him a long time considering him a good friend.
I don't really understand what Vince is doing. I don't.
I don't get it. Just on a personal level, I
don't really get it.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I know he really likes Jeff Brown, so that part
makes sense to me. And I know he was very
frustrated the last couple of years here, and that part
gets me.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
But that dude had a job here for life if
he wanted it.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Oh yes, if Mark Stoops got fired, they would have
kept Vince Mayor. Somehow, Tucky's biggest donor is maybe his
best friend.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
That's true. The athletic director really likes minutes.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
He married the president's personal assistant, you know what I mean.
Like you get pretty deep roots in the University of
Kentucky world and then you leave to go down the
street to the rival. You can't undo that. Like that's
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that's done now, Like he'll never ever be looked at
the same way again here.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Rick Patino, it took twenty years.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
For us to even and put him back in the building,
and he took a break between the two schools, right.
Vince went directly there, and as Rick Patino would tell you,
it can be really good at Louisville, it can't. They
have a lot of ways to make life really good,
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but it's not the same as it is here. They care,
but they don't care like we do. And ask Repatino
that he's the only person that's experienced both.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
True.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
You can have it really good there, but it's not
the same as owning the city of Lexington. You're one
of a bunch of things in Louisville. You're the thing here.
So I was surprised, Ryan. I think it's terrible for
UK football. I don't really understand it for Vince. And
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one of the more surprising things we've seen happen since
I've been doing this.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
You know, I purposely didn't call you last night so
we could have our conversation right now on the air. Yeah,
I'm telling you, Man caught me completely off guard. I mean,
this whole timing of this is just kind of blows
my mind a little bit.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
He just had a.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Huge recruiting weekend at Kentucky last weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He offered a guy Sunday.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I know because I know the person's family. He offered
a guy for Kentucky Sunday.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
So she had this huge recruiting weekend for the UK,
make an offer, and then the next day you're gonna leave.
Did you leave your your friend, the guy you've been
with from day one here and I'm just leaving.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
You're leaving to go to his rival.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
I mean it completely changes the landscape of UK football
completely right now?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, it does, and it's I mean you have to
wonder at some point, shann Okay, so what happened? Yeah,
I mean at the end of the day, that's what
everybody wants to know. What happened? First of all, what
are your thoughts? And then I'm gonna give you the
timeline up to what I know, because I really don't
know what's happened in the last three days.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, soh December second Pizza Ranch, when we had him on,
I think it all started there. You could tell something
was off and his demeanor when he came on and
did that interview.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I want you to pull that clip and.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I don't think that. I don't think he did himself
any favor by doing that. But it still is like
something that has been brewing for a law time, possibly
going back to that. So six seven months ago.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
It goes back before that, it goes back before And.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
This kind of honestly feels like a sinking ship at Kentucky.
When you're number two guy who is best friends with
your head coach leaves to go to your rival. I
think there's big problems going on behind the scenes. But
I have that clip. If you want to play.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Here, yeah, let me lead into the clip and then
have you play. Okay, all right, so let's go back
to the Stoops Vince relationship. Great friends, Yes, I don't
know if I would say best friends, but very good friends. Okay,
known each other forever. Relationship has always been one of friends,
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but friends who fight.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Would you agree with that? Yeah? Kind of like brothers.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
You know, you have your disagreements, but then you make up,
but cause you fight.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
A little bit more than I think most like you
and I are like brothers.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And we fought a couple times, Yeah, but we don't
fight consistent. No, then we kiss and make up. Move
on to the next one, they fight a little more
than okay, and they always have. I got a story
I'll tell later in the show. I will finally tell
the Michigan story.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Okay, just because I think we can now, right not,
But there was always a little bit of Vince didn't
think he got enough credit. Mark thought Vince got too
much publicity. Do you agree with that.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I think that's very fair.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I think it's always been Vince thought he didn't get
enough credit. Mark thought he got too much much credit.
I think that it's just that masculine like er thing, right.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I still think that it was a very good working
relationship for a long time, and then a couple of
years ago it felt like it really started to sour.
It felt like to me, a lot of the conversations
that used to be kind of half laughing about each
other became more serious. I think you got to point
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it back to about a year and a half or
two years ago, go Vince kind of got his authority
as we will take who you want in recruiting, kind
of got it taken away. Eddie Graham became especially when
it came to the portal, Eddie makes these decisions. It
culminated in last year's class of transfers, which was mostly
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an Eddie class, was disappointing some of them, yes, right,
and then I think that led Vince to kind of say, okay,
can we go back to and then being told no.
And this new class I think reflected Eddie's vision, the
one we have coming in this year, even more than
the last year's. And I think Vince saw his authority
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or his authority may not be the word, but his
kind of being the final dude on recruiting going away.
And then the lot of Stoops's new assistants have done
a lot of their own recruiting.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Nick Rouse said that Vince was told he couldn't recruit
Ohi anymore. I'm not saying that's wrong. I've never been
told that, but that could be true. I don't know.
That would seem like a bizarre decision.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
He used to kill o'hi.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I mean that used to be what he was when
he have Vince do if he's not gonna recruit o
Hot like, that's exactly what he does. But there's no
doubt to me that it had gotten to a bad point,
to the point I thought he was gonna leave.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I didn't think he was gonna go to Louisville.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
But I thought he was gonna go to one of
these other jobs Michigan, Michigan and Michigan State have always
been one I thought might happen. And then Louisville came
after him. He decided to stay. But Shannon, to your point,
I wonder if he kind of wished he had gone. Yeah,
because when he decided to stay, I asked him to
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come on the show and he did. And remember even
before this clip We're gonna play, he was kind of
hymning and halling was and so then I asked him this,
do you I mean, I do think it's just wanted
to make sure everybody's clear. You expect to be in
Lexington next year?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yes, yep, yes, I mean that convincing answer.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Hesitation says everything to me.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And you called it at the time.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I said years wrong, I don't, I don't. Something's not
on the up and up.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Here that he was not the same in that interview.
He just wasn't. He was not the same.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And you know, then, to be honest with you, we
got caught up in the Mark Pope stuff. Right December
January February, I would see Vance and talk to him,
but I really didn't talk to him about bad football
because it was like I was excited about basketball. And
then I went to Amsterdam, and I'll be honestly, I
hadn't talked with it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I actually thought to myself on Monday, you know, I
haven't talked to Vans a long time.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I don't think I talked to him since March Madness.
We saw him up Indianapolis the last time. I said,
I think that's the last time I talked to talk
to him. And so I was even thought myself, yeah,
I'm not to catch up with him. Some dumb I
didn't know it was gonna be like this, but clearly
it fell apart.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
The whole thing though about him doing the weekend, Yeah,
offering people and then leaving makes me wonder, like what
went down on Sunday of Monday exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I mean, something's had to do it. I mean it's June,
it's not December. It's weird timing.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Stuff like this usually happens in January, after the seasons
are over and the bowl seasons are over. It happens
early for insistant coaches.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So I have a really good Louisville source. So when
I saw the Louisville report. Because the Louisville.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Report beat the Thermial report. I contacted that person and said,
you know, is this happened? And the person said to me, well,
I thought it was gonna happen to December, but yeah,
I don't know anything about it now.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And then it broke twenty minutes later.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Wow, which means I think this came together really quick. Yeah,
like really, I think they've been courting for a long time,
but the decision to do it happened really cool.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Yeah, I think it's been in the works for a
long time, but why did all of a sudden it
come to a head and happen after this major recruiting weekend.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Here's what I thought was gonna happen. This is what
I thought was gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
I thought Mark was gonna coach this year, either he
was gonna have success, and then I thought Vince would
go somewhere else because Mark would have kind of had
success his way with Eddie kind of in charge of recruiting,
or Vince was gonna leave like Mark was gonna get
let go and the Vince might ended up staying here
with the next coach.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Would he even been considered for the head coach here.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
No, I don't think so, which I think also was
a frustration. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Think he would have potentially had the role he's gonna
have at Louisville here with the next coach.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
But I thought they were gonna play this year out
and see.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
What happened, and in the Mark Vince relationship in four
months they might have a completely They flipped all the
time like they might have grown close.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Again, that's true. You know, you never know you hit
it on earlier. The perception of the UK football program
now is bad. You can hear that interview with Vince.
He didn't make a bowl game. You lose Dane berryon
your starting quarterback retires from football.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
That's a bad one.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
You make a controversial move with your old line coach.
Now you lose Vince Merrill. I mean all that.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It's bad, it's best, nothing positive about it. No one
can spend this as a good thing now. Do I
think it's like crippling like it would have been four
or five years ago. Actually no, Even though I love Vince,
think he's very talented, it's a different recruiting world now.
But there's no doubt it's a terrible It's a terrible thing.
So I want to discuss more about it. We're gonna
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open up the phones at ten thirty. I want to
hear what people say, Like, are people done with Vince?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Like?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Is he like now persona non grata? What does this
do for stoops? It's wild? And uh, we'll take a break.
Mary Beck's KOSR. So do we have to call so
he call him the little dog, now, Shannon, that's what Drew.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
If Drew was here, Drew certainly would he did.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
We had some to call him the dirty dog, the
dirty dog.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
He's the dirty dog. Now he's a dirty dog, dirty dog.
I mean, we all gonna like Vance, but we all
want him to fail.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Now I'm going to boo him every game, and I
like him personally, but I am disappointed.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna he's my friend.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I'm not gonna hate the guy, but I'm not. I'm
not happy about it. And I think all these coaches
make the same mistake. They think.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Rick did the same thing. They think people are going
to follow him and it ain't happening. No, there's not
a situation. There's not one person out there. Who's gonna
start cheering for Louisville now because of Vance went there?
You can love vanc it ain't happening. I got a
bunch of questions.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Can I ask him, yes, did the ruin on the
house bill have any effect in the timing of the announcement.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
That I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I have no idea waiting, So I haven't really talked
to him. I talked to him like I texted him
when I heard the rumor. He just said something like
we're you talking about like just not not like he
was saying he did, Like my text really wasn't clear.
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And then the story broke, and you know, I thought
about asking him to come on here, but then I thought, well,
what's that gonna be? Like, yeah, you know, and the
reality is he needs to do a Louisville show. She'd
do a little show today, she'd do a louis show today.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It's not a good sign if your first show is
the Kentucky show.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
No, he should do a Louisville show because you're not
gonna be easy on him today.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I mean, like, again, he's their guy now, Yes he is, Like,
he's their guy now.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
If you gotta yeah, if you go to a Kentucky show.
It makes it like you're still there at Kentucky. You're
not at Kentucky anymore. You have to move on.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
You are.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
He's a louisvill guy now, I mean he threw L's
down for years.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
He's getting now.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
He's L's up. Like that's what you are now, Like
that's what you decided to be. Well, still, I'm still
your friend, Like I'm still gonna you know when I
see you, give you hugs to talk. I love the guy,
but you know what that's you're you're him now you're
pairing your parents. I still love pairing.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
We ain't on the scene at this point right. I've
bet Vince's listening though today.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I'm sure he is, and he knows that we all
love it. But you decided to be on that other side.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
We want you to fail now, you to lose every game, yep,
And I want you to lose every game badly.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
And that's it. Could have been any other team. You
could have gone any other team, and I would have that.
They might have been my second favorite team. But you
But you can't go to Louisville and you can't go to Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So you went to Louisville.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I told him back in December or November whenever it was,
that this was kind of perclut I said, if you
go there, I will hope you lose every game. And
I don't think you should for X, Y and Z.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Reason.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah, okay, I mean, I'm sure he had friends telling
him he should go.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
It's like, he said, that's fine, but now you're a
Louisville guy and.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
You're a louvel man.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
You know, these colors, these colors don't run right, you know.
I uh, I have friends who are awesome people. I
would never vote for them because they just like, it's
a different thing what you think and what I think. Yeah,
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the sports equivalent of that is this, and it just is.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
And by the way, everyone listening thinks the same thing. Sure,
no one's becoming a Louisville fan. No, So you know,
enjoy Captain Suntan.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Like Captain Suntan now is the louisll Jeff Ruby's gonna
be happy.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Jeff Ruby is gonna be sad.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That all goes in the same place, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Sure Jeff Ruby still happy either way.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
The general manager, though, now it has to be like,
what about our budget?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I got some more questions.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Six of the top ten high school football players in
Kentucky had already committed to Louisville.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, I don't think he. I feel Vince wouldn't have
been like recruiting.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
I don't think that they have they been telling these
recruits Vince is coming.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I mean they could have. I don't know. I mean,
I have no idea, but I know he was recruiting.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I know a person being recruited and Vince was actively
recruiting them to Kentucky this weekend, So.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I'm sure those conversations have been going on though.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I'm sure they have too, but I'm sure they have to.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And Vince has to play it straight, like he still
has to continue to do his job. Because Evince just
stopped recruiting, they'd be like, what's up, man, Like you just.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Listen, wonder we have no official visits schedule for people
from Ohio.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I literally had on my on my book yesterday that
one of the topics I wanted to talk about, and
we didn't get to it because we had important things
to talk about, like the zebra and UH and then
the cm as.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
But that in hindsight was a sign. Ride when we
have no official visits scheduled for people from Ohio, which
used to be his backyard, he used to kill it.
That sign, right, that was a sign.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Do you think the way they handled Wolford played any
factor in Vince's the frustration.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I don't think he and Wolford were like close, but
I don't think that has to do with it. Here's
one thing I will say for Mitch Barnhart and to
some extent Stoops too. They did everything over the like.
They gave him. Anytime he wanted.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
To raise, they gave it. He's the highest paid tight
end coach in the.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
C in the history of college football.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Probably.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, they did every he wanted to do this more
power to him, but they did. You can't Mitch Barnhardt
did everything he could. Every time he asked for something,
he got it. Yeah, So I don't know what else
you could have done. All right, twenty two eighty seven, Open.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Up the phones. We'll be right back. TJ. Smith, personal
injury attorney, called TJ. He'll make them pay now.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
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Speaker 3 (23:10):
Thank you to Stephen A for distracting me during that
commercial with whatever it is he's wearing on television. What
was that hat?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
He took it off. Hopefully that wasn't Hopefully he didn't
come to work. Maybe it was the other guy's hat.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Well, I told you that. You know, he saw you
and Myron wearing your cowboy hats on Broadway.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Here, so it's not a cowboy hat. And secondly, what
never mind? I mean I did what is he wearing?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
All right?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Two eighty seven? I do want to see a so
we got people on here. I want to see a
quick like what's your take? I want like thirty seconds? Okay,
because I want to get to people, So like thirty
seconds of do you do you? Do you blame Vince?
Do you blame you blame Stoopes, you blame Mit?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
You know Mitch? Or are you? Just like what's your take?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Let me ask you one thing before I go to it, though,
fan base, how do you think they feel.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
About Vince going forward?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
This was the most beloved assistant we have. If I
went and did a poll today, what would they say
about him?
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I think it's a punch to the stomach to the
fan base, and now they are gonna say exactly what
we said. You like the guy, but you want him
to go fail and forever. I think my loyalty to
Vents has changed forever. And I think a lot of
fan base probably feel the same way. You left us
to go to Louisville. I'm kind of done with you.
I like you, but I'm kind of done with you.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So you think people who have like they've done. Yeah,
I think there's gonna be a lot of people feel
that way. People are gonna be frustrated at Mark that
it happened, and they're frustrated at Mark in general.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Sure, but I think.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
They're also gonna be frustrated. This is gonna be a
weird situation. Like when Cal left. I thought both sides
ended up being better off because of it.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Yes, I agree, Shannon.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I think with this, both sides are gonna be worse
off because of it.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah, And Vince is gonna be less happy there, whether
he realizes it or not.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
And this is bad for Mark too.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
And I know how fans are going to react. I
just took an hour of calls before the let's go, Adam, go.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
For it, Adam thirty seconds put that shot clock on,
go for it.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Go hey, Matt. This was like the Hogan is the
third man, the John Seena turning heel.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I mean there's no positive he is jumping off of
sinking shit.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
I don't blame Vince.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
This is all on Mark Soops. We have heard nothing
from him. It's we are going back to the Joker
era and there's nothing stopping it. So I hope John
Summer all is online one.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
All right, let's go to Jerry. Go ahead, Jerry.
Speaker 9 (25:41):
Uh Well.
Speaker 10 (25:41):
The first thing I would say is, I don't blame
Vince a bit. I expected something like this when I
listened to Ross Ellinger on your podcast talking about that
Kentucky was against equalizing the money and that a lot
of management to basketball. Kentucky wasn't going to have the
money that other SEC schools have. And I expected something
like this. And this is the last thing that showed
him out the door. He's sorry, had to put out
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the door.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
This was it.
Speaker 10 (26:05):
And I'll give I hate Louisville, I'll give him credit
ever since the hard number, they've made football priority. We
can catch all right, all right, all right.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I do have to say this, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think that's a very valid point about there may
be worries about investment, football, et cetera. He went to Louisville, Okay,
this I understand. I understand him leaving. I can't believe
I'm the one saying this. You understand him going to Louisville.
Can't You can't go to Louisville. Uh huh, Nope, you can't.
(26:38):
I'm sorry, Like I'm a little disappointed in you, Jerry.
You're one of the biggest Louisville haters. I know the
I understand. I understand him leaving. I understand him leaving
a sinking ship Louisville. Let's not Let's not go soft
on Louisville. We did it become Okay, I hate to
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go to Louisville.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It is not. It is not okay.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
These are different colors than we had.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, who are you all, Jerry?
Speaker 6 (27:07):
You called it for ten years hating Louisville.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I mean, how many people have gone to Louisville straight
from Kentucky? Marvin Stone, Yes, Isaiah Cummings in zam Payne
and at least it was to follow his day always Dad,
That's it. I can't think of another one like you.
Two were solved Jerry, I have disappointed in you.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
You've been up a good point.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
What offense had gone to Michigan State, Man.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I would have I would have understood, and it would
all be on Mark in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yes, but the fact you.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Went to the little and you went to Louisville, it's
still some on Mark.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But he chose to go to louis agreed, Steve, Go.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
Ahead, Steve, Yeah, I'm I'm really more upset about what
this says about the state of the Kentucky football program
now and going forward. I think it's fast, bad, bad.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I don't disagree with that. I appreciate the call. It
is bad.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
It's bad in a lot of levels. It's bad that
we got this year and we feel like a sinking ship.
Mark Stoop should be Mark Stoop should honestly be on
the show today. Yes he should, And if he's not
gonna be on the show today, he needs to be
somewhere today, Like you can't just let this linger with
no comments. I mean, I hope they don't think he
can just say nothing over the course of this next week.
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I hope they don't think that's a good plan.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Now, we need to hear from our leader the fan
base needs to hear from coaching.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Come on and be like.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
We're gonna be okay, man, I got great plans. We're
gonna be better than ever site.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You know the story is straight now, then the media
is gonna create their own narrative.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
What did I say for years about cal The void
is going to be filled with something.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You want it to be filled with you.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yes, you don't want other people filling the void because
the void is gonna get filled.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
These stories are only gonna continue. Huh, Cliff, Go ahead, Cliff.
Speaker 11 (29:06):
I wanted to know if you think he was listening
to Shannon when you all were down in Somerset doing
the po and seeing how much money.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
Should going to basketball and football?
Speaker 7 (29:15):
But like, realistically, take money talk.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It is Shannon's fault. Shannon, I have a hell you
did this. You are a heel. Now go ahead, we
fish your point, sir.
Speaker 11 (29:26):
So money talks.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
How much money is he getting to be the GM?
Speaker 11 (29:29):
Is it more than what he was getting at Kentucky?
Speaker 9 (29:32):
And that's that's it.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I appreciate the call. I don't know if he maybe
he's getting more money. Uh, it can't be. I mean,
I appreciate calld they're not giving him. I mean, he's
paying one point three million dollars here.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Is he getting that probably? Maybe?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah, But I can't imagine they're giving him like two
million dollar I mean, Louell doesn't have the money to
pay their players next year.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I think it's roughly the same, is it that I've
heard and read?
Speaker 9 (29:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Yeah, this is just he chose that and it's a
three year deal, so he's got a little job security
for three years.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Maybe he didn't have job security.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
He had the job here as long as he wanted
to have it, Okay, I can tell you that. Yeah,
he would have outlasted Mark probably, so if he wanted
to be he I said this on my Twitter space.
He could have had a job as an ambassador for
the school when he didn't even want to be part
of football.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
You can think about that. But you're right, he could have.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Had a job here for life and he chose not to,
which says either it was so bad he felt like
he had to leave, or he just made a choice
that I think was poor. At the same time, though
he went to Louisville, he didn't go to Michigan State.
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He went to Louisville.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Let's not go soft, Luke. What's up, Luke?
Speaker 9 (30:55):
Say Matt.
Speaker 11 (30:57):
I went to the South Carolina game last year. I
told myself, you know, with this culture around the football program,
it'd be hard for me to go back to another
football game one. How much do you think Vince is
The rumors with Vince affected a culture last year and too.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I mean, if there's any.
Speaker 11 (31:17):
Game I want to go to, it's against Louisville this
year to boo against him and those good no good.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Now that's better. That's better, that's better. I don't blame
Vince for the culture.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I blame Mark for the culture last year. You're the
leader the Vince brought in a lot of dudes that
were a little questionable over the years that they made work. Yes,
Lynn Bowden, they made that stuff work.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
YEP.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
So I'm not gonna all of a sudden say because
last year didn't work, it was on the same guy
that's been there forever doing. Mark's in charge. If the
culture around KSR gets bad at in Ryan's fault, it's
Matt's fault, not Ryan. Even if Ryan was the person
who hired Mario and Billy when they become it's not
it's my job to keep the culture good. It's on Mark,
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So I'm not I'm not blaming Vince for the culture
of the program.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
That's on Mark.
Speaker 12 (32:15):
Mike.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
What's up, Mike, hey man? How you doing good? Okay? Uh,
I just real quick, and I'm not gonna try to
make this too long.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
But I got thirty seconds. You got to make it real.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Quick, Okay, season ticket holders starting eighty three. But Jerry
Clavern came aboard for eighty two. Actually, I love football,
love Kentucky football. I live in a little I gotta
you know. Okay, Well, anyway, the only thing I'm saying
is it always seems.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Worse shait to pull the trigger a little quick, sir.
I'll give you ten seconds to make your point quickly.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
Okay. Louisville can plug in in the A C C
and go from right in a top three team right away.
Because they don't have no competition, we will never get
that point.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
That is a good point.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
And there is a part of this where you got
a better chance to win big at Louisville than you
do Kentucky. But I don't Yeah, but you're at Louisville
let me ask you a question. How many head coaches
are gonna leave the SEC to go to the ACC.
Probably very very few, very few. So I do think
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that's true. It's easier to win at Louisville now than
it is Kentucky to win your conference.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
And maybe get a chance of the play at the player.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
You know what, coaches still are coming to the SEC.
They're not leaving the SEC. So big boy football.
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Speaker 3 (34:17):
I was worried our group had gone soft Mario when
everybody was like, it's Louisville.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
People are like saying they don't blame Vince.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, feel free to.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Be mad at Mark, feel free to be worried about
the future of the program. But this whole like, well,
I would have gone too well. Jerry then called Deaner
to be right back. What a song choice?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
What it is Kentucky Sports Radio? All right, I'm gonna
go right back to Vince. We are cooked. However, it's
a society, as Mario just proved to me. Mario just
came on this airwave.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Shannon or came on at the break and said, you
see Alex Carusto got arrested for wheed. I was like, well,
why is it not on ESPN. They're in the NBA finals.
Why would that not be on ESPN? He I don't know.
It was on Twitter. I was like, no, it's not
and I hadn't seen one. I was like, I know
that's not true. It would be on ESPN right now.
And he goes, yeah, it is, and then he looked
it up, couldn't find. He goes, women, it's on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's even Mariams. You can't believe stuff, man.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
That's what old people are supposed to do is see
it on Facebook and believe it.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
You are young.
Speaker 13 (35:21):
I was scrolling through Twitter and I've seen his mugshot
and then that was I'm.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Shore, we saw his mugshot. Photoshop photoshop. You heard ai
new thing.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Or maybe something from a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
That's exactly what it was. Yeah, so why did you
believe that? You were just quoting? Now you are in
the news.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
You can't just go around telling people that Alex Caruzzo
is getting arrested for weed.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
If it's not even on.
Speaker 13 (35:44):
Television news, I guess it was non news. It didn't happen,
at least not today. You even made it, even made
up details. He said, it happened last night after practice.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
When did you get there?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
That's what I saw in the post in Facebook.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Ninety percent of Facebook is lies.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
But we are cooked as a society when people are like.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
My he sounded so convincing to and he said it.
You know, just see you got arrested with me. Give
you an example.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
You know, I saw this story. You know, you got
all that stuff going in LA and they said they
were mobilizing marines or National Guard or.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Something to go to La.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I haven't really followed it that closely, but I saw
a picture and they were like all these marines like
sleeping on the floor, and I was like, that's awful.
That outrages me. We shouldn't be sending marines anyway, certainly
not to sleep on the floor. And then I roised
it was a picture from Afghanistan.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
In twenty twenty, and it almost got me. But you
know what I did. I look to make sure it
was right.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
A fact check, a fact check, find another source.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
You didn't fact check it. Yeah, you just cited Facebook.
You can't be doing that, all right, Jesse, go ahead,
Jesse thirty seconds.
Speaker 12 (36:56):
I just man, I just had one of the most
cathartic moments of my life. I just saw Vince Merrow
in Frankfort leaving Duncan Donuts, and I got to give
him then much better now.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Jesse, you went to the Duncan Donuts and gave L's
down to Vince Merrill's going away?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Of course, all right, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
I want to believe that. I want to believe his story.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, I wonder if there's a way to know he's
in Frankfort. He likes Dunkin Donuts though I could see.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
And Frankfort's kind of in the middle.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
I appreciate the call that's I'm gonna take you give
that more credibility than what Mario saw on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Amy, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Hey man?
Speaker 14 (37:41):
So I agree that Mark is the leader of the team,
but Vince holds a lot of power too, so he
still can be accountable for some of the culture, so
that I think he has to be blamed as well
for that second, dude, you sold your soul. If like
you said, he has a job after ARC and he
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can stay and be with Kentucky, you want ahead and
soldier soula here too early? I'm done with him?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Great? All right?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah again metaphorically, that's what I think from friendship wise,
he still my friend, but I'm won't him to go
oh and twelve Yes, when somebody wrote me on the
on this text machine here and they said, Matt, I
wish Vince the best. I hope for him to have success.
He gave us a law a good time here. I
hope for him to have success as a human being.
(38:32):
I want him to be happy. I want him to
have a great life, but I want him to lose
every game. Shannon, like every game.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I had to, you know, set Billy straight. On the
pre show. He was like, you know, no, I'm going
to be, you know, pulling for me.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
You can't pull for me. Billy's fired, You're gone.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I said the same. I like Vince as a person personally,
love the guy, but professionally, no, I'm not gonna be
cheering for him.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Professionally became the host of Louisville Sports Radio LSR. I
want him to tank in the rating. Yes, I wish
for him success in life.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
If he hosts any other well, actually, I don't want
him to tank in the ratings. I want them to
lose every game and people not want to listen because
they stink.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I still want Ryan personally to have success.
Speaker 12 (39:26):
But.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
When you coach a sports team, the success is the
success of the team, and I'm not cheering for Louisville.
I was disappointing Andy Basheer, Andy, what are you doing
wearing a Louisville hat and a Louisville show. Uh huh, okay,
you're a Kentucky fan. I understand you're the governor. You
can't go to the game and throw El's down. But
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you don't have to wear cards. You don't have to
wear Cardinals stuff. Yeah, right, that's the thing. Don't be
Hillary Clinton with the Yankees hat when you grew up
a Cubs fan like you can't do that. Am I
wrong about that?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
We're dead on. He can go to the game for Louisville.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
He can shake their hands, yes, wearing a Louisville hates
Mitch McConnell Louisville fan. I don't want to see him
in a Kentucky game in Kentucky hat. Right, you're your team.
I could guarantee you this if I was governor. You
think I'm wearing a Louisville hat. No, No, Now, I'm
not gonna L's down Louisville and I'll shake their hand,
(40:28):
and I'll advocate for their university, and I'd try to
get them in a conference that would help them because
that's good for the state.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
But am I cheering for him?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Can't. Can't same thing here. I got another question. I
gotta ask you.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
When Kentucky football was rolling vent at his's peak, why
would they take away some of that control? And not
if they took away Ohio and handle over a lot
of stuff to Eddie. Why would they do that when
they were at its peak?
Speaker 4 (40:53):
It was Nick rouse I think Nick Rousse said this.
He compared it to game of throws, and he's right
about that. There are two different leadership styles, right. There's
the we do what I say fault. I take advice,
I make the decision. That was like the Obama George W.
(41:14):
Bush leaders. I'm gonna listen to all y'all. But once
the decision's made, it's made. Then there is the I
listen to different people based on what mood I'm in, Right,
that's kind of the Biden and the Trump way of
doing it. Now, there are virtues to each of them.
There there are negatives to each of them. But when
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you're the second one, you create a game of throne
situation where everyone's jostling to be close to the leader and.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
They're kind of stabbing each other to try to get
to the leader. Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
In the first situation, you know who's in charge. There's
no stabbing each other. They're in charge.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah. In the second situation, there's always like.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
A no me, me, me and back, and then there's
like a lot of en if you read about the
Biden White House, if you read about the Trump White House,
that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
UK football has been that the last few years. It has.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
It's been a lot of jostling to who can be
Mark's favorite, and I think that's been a part.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Of the problem.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
I'll expand more on that in the next hour, because
I do think that's an issue. We'll be right back
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what today's show is going to beat. Uh, you know
it is a Murray State baseball uh. I will mention
that because it was exciting, but not yet. We have
to talk about the news Vince Merrow. At this point,
(01:11):
you know, Vince Merrow has h is leaving Kentucky to
become the general manager of Louisville football in a move
that is one of the more it's not shocking, but
it's one of the more surprising moves that I can
remember in Kentucky athletics. It is it is gonna be
(01:31):
one that will have ramifications for everybody for a long time,
for Kentucky.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Football, for Louisville football.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
For Vince, and you know it is. Look, it'll be.
This is one of those you just say, Okay, we
can talk about this the whole show. I got all
these topics, We're not gonna get to any of them.
It's gonna be this. I'm gonna give a shout out
to Murray State. That's that's the thing. But Ryan Living
is here, Shannon, the dude is here, guys. I was
about to go to dinner. I had a friend in
(01:58):
tab from the fellowship, I mean from Miami really, and
we were going to go to dinner last night and
I was gonna leave my phone at home.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I thought, this dude's here from Miami.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Shannon. Yeah, I'm not gonna take my phone out. Happenings
gonna be huge, June, what are we gonna do?
Speaker 3 (02:15):
It's Jude.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
I've already talked to my mom earlier today. She knows,
I'm okay, I'm just gonna go ahead and uh. And
then fifteen minutes before I leave to walk out the door,
this happens, and so I have to spend the dinner going, hey, man,
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I gotta deal with that, you know.
Speaker 4 (02:30):
So here's my reaction, and then I'll go to you guys.
My reaction was not I'm not shocked he's leaving. I'm
very surprised he's going to Louisville. Now, Okay, if you
had told me in December, I actually thought at the
end of the year he was gonna go somewhere. I
didn't think he'd come back for another year. Then I
(02:51):
thought Louisville was a real possibility, and I kind of
had prepared myself at the beginning of December that he
would go to Louisville. You remember, of course, our interview
which Shannon had a clip of at the Pizza Ranch
in wherever.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
That was, Iowa City, Iowa City yesterday.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Terrible interview by him at the time. Terrible interview that was.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
But he ends up staying and so I am surprised
this happens in June he goes to Louisville. I'm going
to look at it from like three different angles. First
of all, the angle for UK football. It's a big loss.
It's a loss in terms of recruiting, although it would
have been a worst loss three or four years ago
pre in Il. Yes, because in Il does do a
(03:37):
little bit of what he used to do. I still
think he matters, but like it used to be, if
he had left, there wouldn't be a roster. I don't
think that's true anymore. But it does matter. But it
matters even more from a perception standpoint, right. I mean,
this was the in some ways the face of your program,
Mark Stoops, I guess is the face. But if he's
(03:59):
won and Vince is one a right in my pin,
the most beloved coach, most beloved assistant UK coach ever
ever any sport period.
Speaker 5 (04:09):
I donate mabe Joe B when he was assistant.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Maybe Joe B. It's a good one as maybe Leonard
Hamilton for a little while.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
But Vince by far the most beloved assistan.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Yeah, certainly since I've been doing it, most beloved assistant coach.
And he leaves, and he leaves his friend. And the
symbol like the symbolic nature of that, you can't you
can't underestimate. So that's number one. Number two is for
the Kentucky Louisville dynamic. This the rivalry Louisville gets. The
guy who took in state recruiting from Louisville, he and
(04:42):
John Summer all took in state recruiting from Louisville, had
had it for a period of time. Yep, Kentucky took
it back. And not only did Kentucky take back the state,
they took Louisville. We had six or eight years where
we were getting there from Louisville, and now they take
him back. I don't know what a effect will have
on the state as a whole, but it probably shuts
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the door on the city of Louisville.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Would you agree with that.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
I would think it probably does.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
I don't know about the rest of the state. We'll
have to see you knock up Louisville now Louisville's locked
up now, and I think some of these places where
we were really getting a bunch of guys like North
Harden and stuff like that, that starts to become a
little yeah for tricky third Vince. I mean, you know,
(05:28):
don't him a long time considering him a good friend.
I don't really understand what Vince is doing. I don't.
I don't get it. Just on a personal level, I
don't really get it.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
I know he really likes Jeff Brown, so that part
makes sense to me. And I know he was very
frustrated the last couple of years here, and that part
gets me.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
But that dude had a job here for life if
he wanted it.
Speaker 4 (05:55):
Oh yes, if Mark Stoops got fired, they would have
kept Vince Mayor. Somehow, Tucky's biggest donor is maybe his
best friend.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
That's true. The athletic director really likes minutes.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
He married the president's personal assistant, you know what I mean.
Like you get pretty deep roots in the University of
Kentucky world and then you leave to go down the
street to the rival. You can't undo that. Like that's
(06:32):
that's done now, Like he'll never ever be looked at
the same way again here.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
Rick Patino, it took twenty years.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
For us to even and put him back in the building,
and he took a break between the two schools, right.
Vince went directly there, and as Rick Patino would tell you,
it can be really good at Louisville, it can't. They
have a lot of ways to make life really good,
(07:03):
but it's not the same as it is here. They care,
but they don't care like we do. And ask Repatino
that he's the only person that's experienced both.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
True.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
You can have it really good there, but it's not
the same as owning the city of Lexington. You're one
of a bunch of things in Louisville. You're the thing here.
So I was surprised, Ryan. I think it's terrible for
UK football. I don't really understand it for Vince. And
(07:35):
one of the more surprising things we've seen happen since
I've been doing this.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
You know, I purposely didn't call you last night so
we could have our conversation right now on the air. Yeah,
I'm telling you, Man caught me completely off guard. I mean,
this whole timing of this is just kind of blows
my mind a little bit.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
He just had a.
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Huge recruiting weekend at Kentucky last weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He offered a guy Sunday.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
I know because I know the person's family. He offered
a guy for Kentucky Sunday.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
So she had this huge recruiting weekend for the UK,
make an offer, and then the next day you're gonna leave.
Did you leave your your friend, the guy you've been
with from day one here and I'm just leaving.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
You're leaving to go to his rival.
Speaker 5 (08:16):
I mean it completely changes the landscape of UK football
completely right now?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Yeah, it does, and it's I mean you have to
wonder at some point, shann Okay, so what happened? Yeah,
I mean at the end of the day, that's what
everybody wants to know. What happened? First of all, what
are your thoughts? And then I'm gonna give you the
timeline up to what I know, because I really don't
know what's happened in the last three days.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
But go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
Yeah, soh December second Pizza Ranch, when we had him on,
I think it all started there. You could tell something
was off and his demeanor when he came on and
did that interview.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
I want you to pull that clip and.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
I don't think that. I don't think he did himself
any favor by doing that. But it still is like
something that has been brewing for a law time, possibly
going back to that. So six seven months ago.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
It goes back before that, it goes back before And.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
This kind of honestly feels like a sinking ship at Kentucky.
When you're number two guy who is best friends with
your head coach leaves to go to your rival. I
think there's big problems going on behind the scenes. But
I have that clip. If you want to play.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Here, yeah, let me lead into the clip and then
have you play. Okay, all right, so let's go back
to the Stoops Vince relationship. Great friends, Yes, I don't
know if I would say best friends, but very good friends. Okay,
known each other forever. Relationship has always been one of friends,
(09:40):
but friends who fight.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Would you agree with that? Yeah? Kind of like brothers.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
You know, you have your disagreements, but then you make up,
but cause you fight.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
A little bit more than I think most like you
and I are like brothers.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
And we fought a couple times, Yeah, but we don't
fight consistent. No, then we kiss and make up. Move
on to the next one, they fight a little more
than okay, and they always have. I got a story
I'll tell later in the show. I will finally tell
the Michigan story.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
Okay, just because I think we can now, right not,
But there was always a little bit of Vince didn't
think he got enough credit. Mark thought Vince got too
much publicity. Do you agree with that.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I think that's very fair.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I think it's always been Vince thought he didn't get
enough credit. Mark thought he got too much much credit.
I think that it's just that masculine like er thing, right.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I still think that it was a very good working
relationship for a long time, and then a couple of
years ago it felt like it really started to sour.
It felt like to me, a lot of the conversations
that used to be kind of half laughing about each
other became more serious. I think you got to point
(10:57):
it back to about a year and a half or
two years ago, go Vince kind of got his authority
as we will take who you want in recruiting, kind
of got it taken away. Eddie Graham became especially when
it came to the portal, Eddie makes these decisions. It
culminated in last year's class of transfers, which was mostly
(11:19):
an Eddie class, was disappointing some of them, yes, right,
and then I think that led Vince to kind of say, okay,
can we go back to and then being told no.
And this new class I think reflected Eddie's vision, the
one we have coming in this year, even more than
the last year's. And I think Vince saw his authority
(11:42):
or his authority may not be the word, but his
kind of being the final dude on recruiting going away.
And then the lot of Stoops's new assistants have done
a lot of their own recruiting.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Now.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
Nick Rouse said that Vince was told he couldn't recruit
Ohi anymore. I'm not saying that's wrong. I've never been
told that, but that could be true. I don't know.
That would seem like a bizarre decision.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
He used to kill o'hi.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I mean that used to be what he was when
he have Vince do if he's not gonna recruit o
Hot like, that's exactly what he does. But there's no
doubt to me that it had gotten to a bad point,
to the point I thought he was gonna leave.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
I didn't think he was gonna go to Louisville.
Speaker 4 (12:23):
But I thought he was gonna go to one of
these other jobs Michigan, Michigan and Michigan State have always
been one I thought might happen. And then Louisville came
after him. He decided to stay. But Shannon, to your point,
I wonder if he kind of wished he had gone. Yeah,
because when he decided to stay, I asked him to
(12:45):
come on the show and he did. And remember even
before this clip We're gonna play, he was kind of
hymning and halling was and so then I asked him this,
do you I mean, I do think it's just wanted
to make sure everybody's clear. You expect to be in
Lexington next year?
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yes, yep, yes, I mean that convincing answer.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Hesitation says everything to me.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
And you called it at the time.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I said years wrong, I don't, I don't. Something's not
on the up and up.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Here that he was not the same in that interview.
He just wasn't. He was not the same.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
And you know, then, to be honest with you, we
got caught up in the Mark Pope stuff. Right December
January February, I would see Vance and talk to him,
but I really didn't talk to him about bad football
because it was like I was excited about basketball. And
then I went to Amsterdam, and I'll be honestly, I
hadn't talked with it.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I actually thought to myself on Monday, you know, I
haven't talked to Vans a long time.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
I don't think I talked to him since March Madness.
We saw him up Indianapolis the last time. I said,
I think that's the last time I talked to talk
to him. And so I was even thought myself, yeah,
I'm not to catch up with him. Some dumb I
didn't know it was gonna be like this, but clearly
it fell apart.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
The whole thing though about him doing the weekend, Yeah,
offering people and then leaving makes me wonder, like what
went down on Sunday of Monday exactly.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
I mean, something's had to do it. I mean it's June,
it's not December. It's weird timing.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Stuff like this usually happens in January, after the seasons
are over and the bowl seasons are over. It happens
early for insistant coaches.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
So I have a really good Louisville source. So when
I saw the Louisville report. Because the Louisville.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Report beat the Thermial report. I contacted that person and said,
you know, is this happened? And the person said to me, well,
I thought it was gonna happen to December, but yeah,
I don't know anything about it now.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
And then it broke twenty minutes later.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
Wow, which means I think this came together really quick. Yeah,
like really, I think they've been courting for a long time,
but the decision to do it happened really cool.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Yeah, I think it's been in the works for a
long time, but why did all of a sudden it
come to a head and happen after this major recruiting weekend.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Here's what I thought was gonna happen. This is what
I thought was gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
I thought Mark was gonna coach this year, either he
was gonna have success, and then I thought Vince would
go somewhere else because Mark would have kind of had
success his way with Eddie kind of in charge of recruiting,
or Vince was gonna leave like Mark was gonna get
let go and the Vince might ended up staying here
with the next coach.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
Would he even been considered for the head coach here.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
No, I don't think so, which I think also was
a frustration. Yeah, but I.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Think he would have potentially had the role he's gonna
have at Louisville here with the next coach.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
But I thought they were gonna play this year out
and see.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
What happened, and in the Mark Vince relationship in four
months they might have a completely They flipped all the
time like they might have grown close.
Speaker 5 (15:57):
Again, that's true. You know, you never know you hit
it on earlier. The perception of the UK football program
now is bad. You can hear that interview with Vince.
He didn't make a bowl game. You lose Dane berryon
your starting quarterback retires from football.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
That's a bad one.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
You make a controversial move with your old line coach.
Now you lose Vince Merrill. I mean all that.
Speaker 4 (16:16):
It's bad, it's best, nothing positive about it. No one
can spend this as a good thing now. Do I
think it's like crippling like it would have been four
or five years ago. Actually no, Even though I love Vince,
think he's very talented, it's a different recruiting world now.
But there's no doubt it's a terrible It's a terrible thing.
So I want to discuss more about it. We're gonna
(16:36):
open up the phones at ten thirty. I want to
hear what people say, Like, are people done with Vince?
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Like?
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Is he like now persona non grata? What does this
do for stoops? It's wild? And uh, we'll take a break.
Mary Beck's KOSR. So do we have to call so
he call him the little dog, now, Shannon, that's what Drew.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
If Drew was here, Drew certainly would he did.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
We had some to call him the dirty dog, the
dirty dog.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
He's the dirty dog. Now he's a dirty dog, dirty dog.
I mean, we all gonna like Vance, but we all
want him to fail.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
Now I'm going to boo him every game, and I
like him personally, but I am disappointed.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna he's my friend.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
I'm not gonna hate the guy, but I'm not. I'm
not happy about it. And I think all these coaches
make the same mistake. They think.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Rick did the same thing. They think people are going
to follow him and it ain't happening. No, there's not
a situation. There's not one person out there. Who's gonna
start cheering for Louisville now because of Vance went there?
You can love vanc it ain't happening. I got a
bunch of questions.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Can I ask him, yes, did the ruin on the
house bill have any effect in the timing of the announcement.
Speaker 3 (17:47):
That I don't know.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I have no idea waiting, So I haven't really talked
to him. I talked to him like I texted him
when I heard the rumor. He just said something like
we're you talking about like just not not like he
was saying he did, Like my text really wasn't clear.
(18:08):
And then the story broke, and you know, I thought
about asking him to come on here, but then I thought, well,
what's that gonna be? Like, yeah, you know, and the
reality is he needs to do a Louisville show. She'd
do a little show today, she'd do a louis show today.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
It's not a good sign if your first show is
the Kentucky show.
Speaker 5 (18:22):
No, he should do a Louisville show because you're not
gonna be easy on him today.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
I mean, like, again, he's their guy now, Yes he is, Like,
he's their guy now.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
If you gotta yeah, if you go to a Kentucky show.
It makes it like you're still there at Kentucky. You're
not at Kentucky anymore. You have to move on.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
You are.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
He's a louisvill guy now, I mean he threw L's
down for years.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
He's getting now.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
He's L's up. Like that's what you are now, Like
that's what you decided to be. Well, still, I'm still
your friend, Like I'm still gonna you know when I
see you, give you hugs to talk. I love the guy,
but you know what that's you're you're him now you're
pairing your parents. I still love pairing.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
We ain't on the scene at this point right. I've
bet Vince's listening though today.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
I'm sure he is, and he knows that we all
love it. But you decided to be on that other side.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
We want you to fail now, you to lose every game, yep,
And I want you to lose every game badly.
Speaker 4 (19:26):
And that's it. Could have been any other team. You
could have gone any other team, and I would have that.
They might have been my second favorite team. But you
But you can't go to Louisville and you can't go to Tennessee.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
So you went to Louisville.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
I told him back in December or November whenever it was,
that this was kind of perclut I said, if you
go there, I will hope you lose every game. And
I don't think you should for X, Y and Z.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
Reason.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah, okay, I mean, I'm sure he had friends telling
him he should go.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
It's like, he said, that's fine, but now you're a
Louisville guy and.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
You're a louvel man.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
You know, these colors, these colors don't run right, you know.
I uh, I have friends who are awesome people. I
would never vote for them because they just like, it's
a different thing what you think and what I think. Yeah,
(20:32):
the sports equivalent of that is this, and it just is.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
And by the way, everyone listening thinks the same thing. Sure,
no one's becoming a Louisville fan. No, So you know,
enjoy Captain Suntan.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
Like Captain Suntan now is the louisll Jeff Ruby's gonna
be happy.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Jeff Ruby is gonna be sad.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
That all goes in the same place, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
Sure Jeff Ruby still happy either way.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
The general manager, though, now it has to be like,
what about our budget?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
I got some more questions.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Six of the top ten high school football players in
Kentucky had already committed to Louisville.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Yeah, I don't think he. I feel Vince wouldn't have
been like recruiting.
Speaker 5 (21:21):
I don't think that they have they been telling these
recruits Vince is coming.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
I mean they could have. I don't know. I mean,
I have no idea, but I know he was recruiting.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
I know a person being recruited and Vince was actively
recruiting them to Kentucky this weekend, So.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
I'm sure those conversations have been going on though.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
I'm sure they have too, but I'm sure they have to.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And Vince has to play it straight, like he still
has to continue to do his job. Because Evince just
stopped recruiting, they'd be like, what's up, man, Like you just.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
Listen, wonder we have no official visits schedule for people
from Ohio.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
I literally had on my on my book yesterday that
one of the topics I wanted to talk about, and
we didn't get to it because we had important things
to talk about, like the zebra and UH and then
the cm as.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
But that in hindsight was a sign. Ride when we
have no official visits scheduled for people from Ohio, which
used to be his backyard, he used to kill it.
That sign, right, that was a sign.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
Do you think the way they handled Wolford played any
factor in Vince's the frustration.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
I don't think he and Wolford were like close, but
I don't think that has to do with it. Here's
one thing I will say for Mitch Barnhart and to
some extent Stoops too. They did everything over the like.
They gave him. Anytime he wanted.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
To raise, they gave it. He's the highest paid tight
end coach in the.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
C in the history of college football.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Probably.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Yeah, they did every he wanted to do this more
power to him, but they did. You can't Mitch Barnhardt
did everything he could. Every time he asked for something,
he got it. Yeah, So I don't know what else
you could have done. All right, twenty two eighty seven, Open.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Up the phones. We'll be right back. TJ. Smith, personal
injury attorney, called TJ. He'll make them pay now.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
More of Kentucky Sports Radio presented by Stockton Mortgage. Here's
Matt Jones.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Thank you to Stephen A for distracting me during that
commercial with whatever it is he's wearing on television. What
was that hat?
Speaker 4 (23:17):
He took it off. Hopefully that wasn't Hopefully he didn't
come to work. Maybe it was the other guy's hat.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
Well, I told you that. You know, he saw you
and Myron wearing your cowboy hats on Broadway.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
Here, so it's not a cowboy hat. And secondly, what
never mind? I mean I did what is he wearing?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
All right?
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Two eighty seven? I do want to see a so
we got people on here. I want to see a
quick like what's your take? I want like thirty seconds? Okay,
because I want to get to people, So like thirty
seconds of do you do you? Do you blame Vince?
Do you blame you blame Stoopes, you blame Mit?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
You know Mitch? Or are you? Just like what's your take?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Let me ask you one thing before I go to it, though,
fan base, how do you think they feel.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
About Vince going forward?
Speaker 4 (24:03):
This was the most beloved assistant we have. If I
went and did a poll today, what would they say
about him?
Speaker 5 (24:08):
I think it's a punch to the stomach to the
fan base, and now they are gonna say exactly what
we said. You like the guy, but you want him
to go fail and forever. I think my loyalty to
Vents has changed forever. And I think a lot of
fan base probably feel the same way. You left us
to go to Louisville. I'm kind of done with you.
I like you, but I'm kind of done with you.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
So you think people who have like they've done. Yeah,
I think there's gonna be a lot of people feel
that way. People are gonna be frustrated at Mark that
it happened, and they're frustrated at Mark in general.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Sure, but I think.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
They're also gonna be frustrated. This is gonna be a
weird situation. Like when Cal left. I thought both sides
ended up being better off because of it.
Speaker 5 (24:44):
Yes, I agree, Shannon.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
I think with this, both sides are gonna be worse
off because of it.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah, And Vince is gonna be less happy there, whether
he realizes it or not.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
And this is bad for Mark too.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
And I know how fans are going to react. I
just took an hour of calls before the let's go, Adam, go.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
For it, Adam thirty seconds put that shot clock on,
go for it.
Speaker 7 (25:06):
Go hey, Matt. This was like the Hogan is the
third man, the John Seena turning heel.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (25:17):
I mean there's no positive he is jumping off of
sinking shit.
Speaker 8 (25:21):
I don't blame Vince.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
This is all on Mark Soops. We have heard nothing
from him. It's we are going back to the Joker
era and there's nothing stopping it. So I hope John
Summer all is online one.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
All right, let's go to Jerry. Go ahead, Jerry.
Speaker 9 (25:41):
Uh Well.
Speaker 10 (25:41):
The first thing I would say is, I don't blame
Vince a bit. I expected something like this when I
listened to Ross Ellinger on your podcast talking about that
Kentucky was against equalizing the money and that a lot
of management to basketball. Kentucky wasn't going to have the
money that other SEC schools have. And I expected something
like this. And this is the last thing that showed
him out the door. He's sorry, had to put out
(26:03):
the door.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
This was it.
Speaker 10 (26:05):
And I'll give I hate Louisville, I'll give him credit
ever since the hard number, they've made football priority. We
can catch all right, all right, all right.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I do have to say this, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I think that's a very valid point about there may
be worries about investment, football, et cetera. He went to Louisville, Okay,
this I understand. I understand him leaving. I can't believe
I'm the one saying this. You understand him going to Louisville.
Can't You can't go to Louisville. Uh huh, Nope, you can't.
(26:38):
I'm sorry, Like I'm a little disappointed in you, Jerry.
You're one of the biggest Louisville haters. I know the
I understand. I understand him leaving. I understand him leaving
a sinking ship Louisville. Let's not Let's not go soft
on Louisville. We did it become Okay, I hate to
(27:00):
go to Louisville.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
It is not. It is not okay.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
These are different colors than we had.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Yeah, who are you all, Jerry?
Speaker 6 (27:07):
You called it for ten years hating Louisville.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
I mean, how many people have gone to Louisville straight
from Kentucky? Marvin Stone, Yes, Isaiah Cummings in zam Payne
and at least it was to follow his day always Dad,
That's it. I can't think of another one like you.
Two were solved Jerry, I have disappointed in you.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
You've been up a good point.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
What offense had gone to Michigan State, Man.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I would have I would have understood, and it would
all be on Mark in my opinion.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yes, but the fact you.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
Went to the little and you went to Louisville, it's
still some on Mark.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
But he chose to go to louis agreed, Steve, Go.
Speaker 8 (27:49):
Ahead, Steve, Yeah, I'm I'm really more upset about what
this says about the state of the Kentucky football program
now and going forward. I think it's fast, bad, bad.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
I don't disagree with that. I appreciate the call. It
is bad.
Speaker 4 (28:08):
It's bad in a lot of levels. It's bad that
we got this year and we feel like a sinking ship.
Mark Stoop should be Mark Stoop should honestly be on
the show today. Yes he should, And if he's not
gonna be on the show today, he needs to be
somewhere today, Like you can't just let this linger with
no comments. I mean, I hope they don't think he
can just say nothing over the course of this next week.
(28:29):
I hope they don't think that's a good plan.
Speaker 5 (28:31):
Now, we need to hear from our leader the fan
base needs to hear from coaching.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Come on and be like.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
We're gonna be okay, man, I got great plans. We're
gonna be better than ever site.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
You know the story is straight now, then the media
is gonna create their own narrative.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
What did I say for years about cal The void
is going to be filled with something.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
You want it to be filled with you.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Yes, you don't want other people filling the void because
the void is gonna get filled.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
These stories are only gonna continue. Huh, Cliff, Go ahead, Cliff.
Speaker 11 (29:06):
I wanted to know if you think he was listening
to Shannon when you all were down in Somerset doing
the po and seeing how much money.
Speaker 9 (29:13):
Should going to basketball and football?
Speaker 7 (29:15):
But like, realistically, take money talk.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
It is Shannon's fault. Shannon, I have a hell you
did this. You are a heel. Now go ahead, we
fish your point, sir.
Speaker 11 (29:26):
So money talks.
Speaker 7 (29:27):
How much money is he getting to be the GM?
Speaker 11 (29:29):
Is it more than what he was getting at Kentucky?
Speaker 9 (29:32):
And that's that's it.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
I appreciate the call. I don't know if he maybe
he's getting more money. Uh, it can't be. I mean,
I appreciate calld they're not giving him. I mean, he's
paying one point three million dollars here.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Is he getting that probably? Maybe?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah, But I can't imagine they're giving him like two
million dollar I mean, Louell doesn't have the money to
pay their players next year.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
Yet.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
I think it's roughly the same, is it that I've
heard and read?
Speaker 9 (29:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (29:59):
Yeah, this is just he chose that and it's a
three year deal, so he's got a little job security
for three years.
Speaker 3 (30:05):
Maybe he didn't have job security.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
He had the job here as long as he wanted
to have it, Okay, I can tell you that. Yeah,
he would have outlasted Mark probably, so if he wanted
to be he I said this on my Twitter space.
He could have had a job as an ambassador for
the school when he didn't even want to be part
of football.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
You can think about that. But you're right, he could have.
Speaker 4 (30:27):
Had a job here for life and he chose not to,
which says either it was so bad he felt like
he had to leave, or he just made a choice
that I think was poor. At the same time, though
he went to Louisville, he didn't go to Michigan State.
(30:48):
He went to Louisville.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Let's not go soft, Luke. What's up, Luke?
Speaker 9 (30:55):
Say Matt.
Speaker 11 (30:57):
I went to the South Carolina game last year. I
told myself, you know, with this culture around the football program,
it'd be hard for me to go back to another
football game one. How much do you think Vince is
The rumors with Vince affected a culture last year and too.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
I mean, if there's any.
Speaker 11 (31:17):
Game I want to go to, it's against Louisville this
year to boo against him and those good no good.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
Now that's better. That's better, that's better. I don't blame
Vince for the culture.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
I blame Mark for the culture last year. You're the
leader the Vince brought in a lot of dudes that
were a little questionable over the years that they made work. Yes,
Lynn Bowden, they made that stuff work.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
YEP.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
So I'm not gonna all of a sudden say because
last year didn't work, it was on the same guy
that's been there forever doing. Mark's in charge. If the
culture around KSR gets bad at in Ryan's fault, it's
Matt's fault, not Ryan. Even if Ryan was the person
who hired Mario and Billy when they become it's not
it's my job to keep the culture good. It's on Mark,
(32:11):
So I'm not I'm not blaming Vince for the culture
of the program.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
That's on Mark.
Speaker 12 (32:15):
Mike.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
What's up, Mike, hey man? How you doing good? Okay? Uh,
I just real quick, and I'm not gonna try to
make this too long.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
But I got thirty seconds. You got to make it real.
Speaker 9 (32:28):
Quick, Okay, season ticket holders starting eighty three. But Jerry
Clavern came aboard for eighty two. Actually, I love football,
love Kentucky football. I live in a little I gotta
you know. Okay, Well, anyway, the only thing I'm saying
is it always seems.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Worse shait to pull the trigger a little quick, sir.
I'll give you ten seconds to make your point quickly.
Speaker 9 (32:56):
Okay. Louisville can plug in in the A C C
and go from right in a top three team right away.
Because they don't have no competition, we will never get
that point.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
That is a good point.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
And there is a part of this where you got
a better chance to win big at Louisville than you
do Kentucky. But I don't Yeah, but you're at Louisville
let me ask you a question. How many head coaches
are gonna leave the SEC to go to the ACC.
Probably very very few, very few. So I do think
(33:28):
that's true. It's easier to win at Louisville now than
it is Kentucky to win your conference.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
And maybe get a chance of the play at the player.
Speaker 3 (33:34):
You know what, coaches still are coming to the SEC.
They're not leaving the SEC. So big boy football.
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Speaker 3 (34:17):
I was worried our group had gone soft Mario when
everybody was like, it's Louisville.
Speaker 5 (34:23):
People are like saying they don't blame Vince.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
Yeah, feel free to.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Be mad at Mark, feel free to be worried about
the future of the program. But this whole like, well,
I would have gone too well. Jerry then called Deaner
to be right back. What a song choice?
Speaker 3 (34:41):
What it is Kentucky Sports Radio? All right, I'm gonna
go right back to Vince. We are cooked. However, it's
a society, as Mario just proved to me. Mario just
came on this airwave.
Speaker 4 (34:50):
Shannon or came on at the break and said, you
see Alex Carusto got arrested for wheed. I was like, well,
why is it not on ESPN. They're in the NBA finals.
Why would that not be on ESPN? He I don't know.
It was on Twitter. I was like, no, it's not
and I hadn't seen one. I was like, I know
that's not true. It would be on ESPN right now.
And he goes, yeah, it is, and then he looked
it up, couldn't find. He goes, women, it's on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
That's even Mariams. You can't believe stuff, man.
Speaker 4 (35:16):
That's what old people are supposed to do is see
it on Facebook and believe it.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
You are young.
Speaker 13 (35:21):
I was scrolling through Twitter and I've seen his mugshot
and then that was I'm.
Speaker 3 (35:25):
Shore, we saw his mugshot. Photoshop photoshop. You heard ai
new thing.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Or maybe something from a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
That's exactly what it was. Yeah, so why did you
believe that? You were just quoting? Now you are in
the news.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
You can't just go around telling people that Alex Caruzzo
is getting arrested for weed.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
If it's not even on.
Speaker 13 (35:44):
Television news, I guess it was non news. It didn't happen,
at least not today. You even made it, even made
up details. He said, it happened last night after practice.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
When did you get there?
Speaker 3 (36:00):
That's what I saw in the post in Facebook.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Ninety percent of Facebook is lies.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
But we are cooked as a society when people are like.
Speaker 3 (36:11):
My he sounded so convincing to and he said it.
You know, just see you got arrested with me. Give
you an example.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
You know, I saw this story. You know, you got
all that stuff going in LA and they said they
were mobilizing marines or National Guard or.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Something to go to La.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
I haven't really followed it that closely, but I saw
a picture and they were like all these marines like
sleeping on the floor, and I was like, that's awful.
That outrages me. We shouldn't be sending marines anyway, certainly
not to sleep on the floor. And then I roised
it was a picture from Afghanistan.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
In twenty twenty, and it almost got me. But you
know what I did. I look to make sure it
was right.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
A fact check, a fact check, find another source.
Speaker 3 (36:47):
You didn't fact check it. Yeah, you just cited Facebook.
You can't be doing that, all right, Jesse, go ahead,
Jesse thirty seconds.
Speaker 12 (36:56):
I just man, I just had one of the most
cathartic moments of my life. I just saw Vince Merrow
in Frankfort leaving Duncan Donuts, and I got to give
him then much better now.
Speaker 4 (37:11):
Jesse, you went to the Duncan Donuts and gave L's
down to Vince Merrill's going away?
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Of course, all right, I appreciate the call.
Speaker 5 (37:22):
I want to believe that. I want to believe his story.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Yeah, I wonder if there's a way to know he's
in Frankfort. He likes Dunkin Donuts though I could see.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
And Frankfort's kind of in the middle.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
I appreciate the call that's I'm gonna take you give
that more credibility than what Mario saw on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Amy, what do you think.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
Hey man?
Speaker 14 (37:41):
So I agree that Mark is the leader of the team,
but Vince holds a lot of power too, so he
still can be accountable for some of the culture, so
that I think he has to be blamed as well
for that second, dude, you sold your soul. If like
you said, he has a job after ARC and he
(38:01):
can stay and be with Kentucky, you want ahead and
soldier soula here too early? I'm done with him?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Great? All right?
Speaker 4 (38:11):
Yeah again metaphorically, that's what I think from friendship wise,
he still my friend, but I'm won't him to go
oh and twelve Yes, when somebody wrote me on the
on this text machine here and they said, Matt, I
wish Vince the best. I hope for him to have success.
He gave us a law a good time here. I
hope for him to have success as a human being.
(38:32):
I want him to be happy. I want him to
have a great life, but I want him to lose
every game. Shannon, like every game.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
I had to, you know, set Billy straight. On the
pre show. He was like, you know, no, I'm going
to be, you know, pulling for me.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
You can't pull for me. Billy's fired, You're gone.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I said the same. I like Vince as a person personally,
love the guy, but professionally, no, I'm not gonna be
cheering for him.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
Professionally became the host of Louisville Sports Radio LSR. I
want him to tank in the rating. Yes, I wish
for him success in life.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
If he hosts any other well, actually, I don't want
him to tank in the ratings. I want them to
lose every game and people not want to listen because
they stink.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I still want Ryan personally to have success.
Speaker 12 (39:26):
But.
Speaker 4 (39:28):
When you coach a sports team, the success is the
success of the team, and I'm not cheering for Louisville.
I was disappointing Andy Basheer, Andy, what are you doing
wearing a Louisville hat and a Louisville show. Uh huh, okay,
you're a Kentucky fan. I understand you're the governor. You
can't go to the game and throw El's down. But
(39:49):
you don't have to wear cards. You don't have to
wear Cardinals stuff. Yeah, right, that's the thing. Don't be
Hillary Clinton with the Yankees hat when you grew up
a Cubs fan like you can't do that. Am I
wrong about that?
Speaker 2 (40:02):
No?
Speaker 3 (40:03):
We're dead on. He can go to the game for Louisville.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
He can shake their hands, yes, wearing a Louisville hates
Mitch McConnell Louisville fan. I don't want to see him
in a Kentucky game in Kentucky hat. Right, you're your team.
I could guarantee you this if I was governor. You
think I'm wearing a Louisville hat. No, No, Now, I'm
not gonna L's down Louisville and I'll shake their hand,
(40:28):
and I'll advocate for their university, and I'd try to
get them in a conference that would help them because
that's good for the state.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
But am I cheering for him?
Speaker 2 (40:36):
No?
Speaker 3 (40:36):
Can't. Can't same thing here. I got another question. I
gotta ask you.
Speaker 5 (40:41):
When Kentucky football was rolling vent at his's peak, why
would they take away some of that control? And not
if they took away Ohio and handle over a lot
of stuff to Eddie. Why would they do that when
they were at its peak?
Speaker 4 (40:53):
It was Nick rouse I think Nick Rousse said this.
He compared it to game of throws, and he's right
about that. There are two different leadership styles, right. There's
the we do what I say fault. I take advice,
I make the decision. That was like the Obama George W.
(41:14):
Bush leaders. I'm gonna listen to all y'all. But once
the decision's made, it's made. Then there is the I
listen to different people based on what mood I'm in, Right,
that's kind of the Biden and the Trump way of
doing it. Now, there are virtues to each of them.
There there are negatives to each of them. But when
(41:35):
you're the second one, you create a game of throne
situation where everyone's jostling to be close to the leader and.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
They're kind of stabbing each other to try to get
to the leader. Uh huh.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
In the first situation, you know who's in charge. There's
no stabbing each other. They're in charge.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah. In the second situation, there's always like.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
A no me, me, me and back, and then there's
like a lot of en if you read about the
Biden White House, if you read about the Trump White House,
that's what happened.
Speaker 3 (42:05):
UK football has been that the last few years. It has.
Speaker 4 (42:10):
It's been a lot of jostling to who can be
Mark's favorite, and I think that's been a part.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
Of the problem.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
I'll expand more on that in the next hour, because
I do think that's an issue. We'll be right back
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