July 15, 2025 • 42 mins
Myron Medcalf joins Ryan and Shannon to talk Kentucky' All-Time starting 5 and take your calls.
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
I cap here filling in for Matt Jones. I've been
looking through fellas in the break at Kentucky's all time points,
all time scores. Yes, so yeah, Dan issel with two
one and thirty eight points, which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
In three years. He only played three years.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, no one's made that. That's ridiculous. Kenny Skott Walker yep,
who so Like I don't know what he does for
a living, but every time I've been to Rupperena, I
feel like Kenny's job is just being Kenny. That's it.
Like I just see him surrounded by groups of people
every time I go to Lexington and he's just hanging out,
(01:44):
and I hope that's his job, because you know, that's
a cool thing, That's what it's one of I've been
talking to a lot of coaches about this fellas one
of the problems with the transfer portal era that I
think people are not talking about. Number one. I think
there are a lot of kids who are not getting
their degrees and we're just not hearing about it yet,
but we will hear about it in the years ahead,
(02:06):
because there's a bunch of these guys who are they're
transferring athletically but not academically. So I wonder what happens
when a bunch of these kids are ten years from now.
If things aren't academically in order, you don't have a degree,
where does that leave you. I won't name the coach,
but a really, really prominent coach told me recently. He
(02:26):
told me, every single week, and this is an SEC coach,
every single week he gets a call from a former
player who needs money. Right, wow, Wow. Every week he
gets a call from a former player who is in
need of money. And we're not telling these stories in
the portal. But I think the other thing that I
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think people are maybe missing from the portal conversation is
a school like Kentucky. Let's say, every time I go
to a game, there are former play who come back
who are honored. But I don't think that's the real
story of Kentucky basketball. How many guys just moved back
to Kentucky when their careers were over, and maybe they're
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working a sales job, but like they're gonna be good
for life because there's a community to support them because
of them spending two, three, four years, maybe five years
at the same school. I think some of the portal
kids maybe don't understand how valuable that is. So I
was talking to time Izzo. Michigan State has this thing
(03:34):
where every summer everybody comes back, all the Michigan State
guys come back, and it's a whole thing. What is
home now for this generation of players? Man Like, I
don't know the answer to that now. Granted, if you
go to a school as a transfer and you lead
them to a Final four, you're always gonna have a
place probably right in that community. But if you go
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to a school for a year and they get bounced
into second around, you know, you're a footnote. You know
you're you're the fine print into brochure. I feel like,
so that's one thing I am curious about guys, is
without guys playing two, three, four or five years, forget
the debate about whether or not they should be allowed
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to do that and transfer. I just wonder how this
impacts them in their lives, you know, in terms of
whether they'll have the opportunity to really attach themselves to
that fan base, to that community when it's all said
and done, if they've only been there for a year.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I agree, guys like you know, Kellen Grady and Davion
Mintz that were only here for a year or two
didn't get able to, you know, feel the love of
a big March Madness run or anything like that. I
worried too about these guys that Pope just brought in.
But I think, like Angeley Aminor has decided to play
on this TBT team this week, I think that I
think that's big for these guys if maybe they come
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back and maybe want to play on that team and
feel the lof Khalil. Whitney even said that this past weekend.
He said, Man, I just want to feel the love
and earn the love back of Kentucky's basketball, you know,
I want to feel that again. I think I think
that's maybe Schmirron. Maybe as they get older, they'll maybe
want to come back and appreciate it again.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah. Well, and I think Kentucky obviously does a good
job of embracing those guys. You know, there are a
lot of maybe teams that don't necessarily have that. You
hear a lot of guys from Kentucky City. They want
to come back, They want to be a part of
the fan base, and whether it's a tvt or just
going to a game, things like that matter to them.
But I don't think it's like that across the country,
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you know, Like I don't know that the dude who's
been to you know, three schools in four years and
it's never been to a second weekend. I don't know
what the thirty five year old version does of him,
does if he needs a fresh start, you know, Like
I'm thinking more of the life stuff that I think
a lot of times are just overlooked. Man. I can't
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tell you how many players I know who were good
players at their schools and things went south in life,
and you know what, they went back to that community.
You know, they went back to that they were maybe
on the coaching staff, or I know guys who went
back to school and got their degrees and they're just
kind of hanging around the program and the program has
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embraced them. And I just think there's value in that.
And you know, I don't know what that means necessarily
kind of in the portal era, but I do think
it's something for these guys to consider. It's like, you know,
you're not gonna be twenty two to twenty three forever.
You know you're gonna be thirty one day and forty
one day, and I think having those connections can really
have value. Before we get to some of the calls
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this all time starting five with Kentucky. I've looked up
top scores of all time. We talked about Dan Eessel,
Kenny Walker, Jack Gibbons twenty thirty eight, just below Kenny Walker.
Who Ryan, that's your lock, right, Jack Gibbons. I didn't
realize Keith Bogans was fourth, the leading scoring guard in
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UK history. Is Keith Bogans?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
About that?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Keith?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I didn't realize Keith was fourth? Yeah, my goodness for
your guy, you know one. I mean he was a
year after the Tubby run, right, yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
He he His senior year was O three. I believe yeap.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
He was consistent. He was very consistent. I didn't realize
Keith Bogans was fourth. And then Tony Delk number two,
I mean number five, right below him. So here's a
guy I've never heard. I didn't know about this, you know.
So I don't know. Uh, there are a lot of
great players in Kentucky history. First, I'm hearing about Kevin Greevy.
(07:53):
Oh my, I haven't heard that name come up. Yeah,
but Kevin Greevy averaged twenty one a game for three
years in the seventies, I mean, and was a first
round pick. So I don't know I mean, that's pretty impressive.
He averaged eighteen seven twenty one nine as a sophomore,
twenty three point five as a third year guy. I mean,
(08:17):
back when we didn't have a three point line, Like,
what do you do with guys like that Fellas, Like
what do you You just ignore it because that wasn't as.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I mean, yeah, it makes you wonder, like how much
some of these guys would be averaging if they had
a three point line, you know, like those numbers at
twenty three a game could have been close to thirty
a game.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
People that are a little older than me, Myron, like
maybe people like in their early sixties, they love Kevin Greevy.
He's one of their favorite players of all time. But
he kind of gets lost in the shuffle we're talking
about these great players because I don't know, maybe because
he didn't win a championship close that one year. But
the seventy five team, I.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Mean, Kevin Greevy averaged more in his career than Jamal Mashburn,
if you average more, didn't like anybody we're talking about
other than Dan Essel. He averaged more points per game
than those guys. And I know points aren't everything, but
like that's a pretty big number. Over the course of
the career, averaged twenty one. There are many guys in
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NCAA history who've averaged twenty a game over three years.
And then he was a part of the era where
didn't play as a freshman because freshmen weren't playing, and
so he's got these three years. But my goodness, I
feel like that's something that shouldn't be overlooked as well.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know, Mashburn and Wall they have that edge too
that they came along when the program needed him to
come along, you know. They Mashburn came when when Matino
came in to help reinvent the program. Wall came when
Cal came to reinvent the program. So I think that
carries a lot of weight too. How people feel about
these all time players.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, you know, all
of these guys are all strong candidates, right.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh yeah, you can't go wrong. There's no wrong answer.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So Tayshawn, why did I Why did I feel like
Tayshawn was on the title team with Tubby? He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, his last year was O two. He came in
right after that. He was at He was the class
that came in right after they won. Okay, it's like him,
Jason Levins, Todd Tackett, Jess Kamara, and Desmond Allison. I
think was the class.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Tayshawn was also an incredible defensive player, right, Yeah, how
was it? I mean he's kind of like, you know,
for your guy, obviously played at a really high level,
developed and grew certainly at that position. But again, from
a talent perspective, Mashburn to me feels it's hard to
be to imagine putting somebody over Mashburn based on sheer
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talent and mash Burn has more career points. But I
don't know, man, this is gonna this is gonna be hard.
It's gonna be interesting to see.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Who's the be ready to do? Who's your first one?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It don't come out tomorrow. Don't know if I'm supposed
to say, I mean you, but I mean no, yeah,
come out. I don't know the rules on that stuff.
But give me a yeah, give me our first caller
on this terrific Tuesday. Who we got Let's go to Grover, Grover,
what you got on this terrific Tuesday?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Man?
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Hey, guys, uh I was a manager on the sixty
nine to seventy seventy one teams. Of course, dan Issel
is my teammate, but I got a guy to guard
who's the Ulti of League scorer Kentucky as a freshman
without a three pointer, and that's Mike Casey. Uh, Mike
Casey needs to be remembered because he was and he
(11:45):
didn't have he didn't have a three pointers. But he's
still the ulti league scorer as a freshman at UK
without a three point.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, that's pretty that's pretty amazing. Again, I'd looked up
Mike Casey because he's on that list too. Mike Casey
averaged twenty a game in sixty seven, sixty eight nineteen
and sixty eight, sixty nine seventeen in seventy seventy one.
I mean, those are those are big numbers, you know.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
And he just had to say he had he had
to set out his senior year because he was in
a bad car wreck and broke his leg in four places.
But he did come back as a senior and made
all sec And Uh, of course, being my teammate, I
always think that Mike, Mike's not Wizards anymore. But I
just wanted to mention his name.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
No, I appreciate it now Mike again, Mike's top ten
all time in Kentucky history points per game, I mean eighteen.
You know, here's another guy on that list, Fellas, who
is right below Mike Casey. We do a pat Riley
Riley average eighteen.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
A game and never gets brought up in these discussions.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
We always think of him as a coach, don't even
talk about him as a player.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
It's eighteen a game.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And I want to correct something. Grover's said that the
all time freshman leading scorer for one season as a
freshman is Malik Monk. I think Casey was then the
all time freshman leader before freshman could play varsity basketball,
But the all time overall freshman scoring leader in one
season is Malik Monk, who.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
By the way, had the the most overlooked SEC player
of the year run ever right and Malik But like
Malik put up crazy numbers and like just I think
people forget how good he was. Yeah, in the one
year that he was at Kentucky. Man like so much talent, man,
so many talented guys. Who's our next call? Judy, Hey, Judy,
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how you doing on this terrific Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
I'm great how are you all.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Doing well? Doing well? What you got for us?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I don't know what years he was there, but you
might be overlooking. I've got a biblehead of Kyle Macy.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
Ryan mentioned Macy, Ryan mentioned Macy.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Ryan mentioned Kyle Macy.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Yeah he was was fantastic. Yeah yeah, okay, well that's
what I got.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I appreciate that. I don't know, Okay, well, but you all,
you all strongly disagree about Kyle Macy though, like Ryan said,
the name and Shannon you said.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
No, no, I mean, Macy was great, And maybe part
of that is I didn't grow up watching Macy, so
I think there's also some of that bias that goes
into it as well. You know, if you go one
hunting a guy in your mind, that was your guy,
right for me, I didn't. I'm not gonna say I
grew up watching John Wall, but I got to see
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John Wall play a lot more than I saw Kyle
Macy play. So just look, you know, seeing highlights of
Macy versus remembering John Wall. In my mind, Wall was
a lot better. But you know, that's why we have
these debates, everybody to get a different opinion.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Well, and I do respect the idea of like, here's
the problem, like with with the team like Kentucky, you
have to acknowledge the past generations, right, Like this is
a program where you can't put a list up and
not have dan Issel if you want people to respect it.
At the same time, I can't just ignore the last
twenty years or fifteen years of one and done basketball
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players because they didn't stay as long, because some of
those guys were very, very good. So I think it's
about that balance right between identifying past and present. But
I think the mid the nineties guys are the hardest
ones to figure out, you know. I think that like
no one even said Antoine Walker, right, his name hasn't
come up at all, And I mean Antwoine Walker. How
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many teams can have an all time list and Antoine
Walker wouldn't be mentioned.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No pick in the draft or something eighth pick in
the draft, you.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Know, like how many guys now Granted Antoine really had
that one big ninety six, Like I think his freshman
year wasn't he was okay, he was good, but he
wasn't what he became in that second year. But I
mean a guy with a championship, a guy who was
one of the best players on that ninety sixteen. Uh,
how do you have a conversation without him? Yeah, you know,
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but we have certainly done that. Give me another call
before we go.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
To break it all, right, let's go to Tristan.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Tristan on Tuesday. How you doing so?
Speaker 8 (16:42):
So, first of all, I'm going to agree with you
all about the one, the four, and the five. I
think that's pretty much set. So that leaves the two
and the three, And I would like to submit these
two names. For the number two spot, you got to
have the greatest shooter at the history of the school,
and that's de Ron Lamb. And for the number three spot,
you got to have one of the greatest defensive ares
ever to play here in next DeAndre Liggans. To put
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them split some respect on their names.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Goodness, Myron, Myron. Yeah, tomorrow, guess who's going to be
on the show tomorrow? Doron Lamb and DeAndre Niggins both
there on the show tomorrow. How they I d just
to know.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
That he might. He must work for those guys, so
on the show. Do me a favor when they're on tomorrow,
ask them that same question, Okay, like, ask them about
their all about their starting five and who who would
be on it because you know, I mean, we're just
talking about Malik Monk again. How many guys would be
SEC Player of the Year. I think the average twenty
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a game in the SEC and you wouldn't even mention
him once, not any conversation about all time greats, like
how many probably teams would have that situation? Yeah, you know,
sure there are not many teams. So we're gonna talk
more about this. Please keep calling. I want to know
your all time teams. I'm trying to figure out my locks.
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Now back to you, that wasn't in your face live
read that was not an hour agree read.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
That wasn't an hour reading that was like that was
a DMX read. I feel like that was a little more,
a little more abrasive. We're doing this all time, starting viving.
People are tweet me and I want to get to
a company's calls before the break and then we'll keep going.
I remember being in the arena, Magic Johnson Rob Polenka
(20:03):
are representing the Lakers, and they're there because Lonzo Ball
is playing d Aaron Fox right yep, And they're both
about to go into the draft. And I even asked.
I was like talking to Magic Johns, say hey, what
do you think about these guys? He's like, man, I
can't comment whatever. And d Aaron Fox cooked Lonzo. If
you all remember that game, the Aaron was the best
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guard on the floor and there was no conversation about it.
And you know who hasn't come up in our conversation
about Aaron Fox? The Aaron Fox. And if you want
to tell me who are the fastest human beings I've
ever seen with a basketball in their hands, He's on
the short list. John wall is number one. I think
Derek Rowse is probably number two. For me, I don't
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know that you're gonna find three guys quicker than d
Aaron Fox. Right, So, but he doesn't even come up
because that's just how much talent you have, uh in
the Kentucky tree. Who's our first call. Let's go to
Bruce Bak here, Bruce, how you doing on this trip? Us?
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Great? I'm gonna throw you guys at curve. If the
criteria is athleticism, then you gotta go with like say,
say the Fab five of Michigan. They were by far
the best athletes, but yet they never won a single championship.
So I'm gonna throw this out. I'm gonna go with championships.
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And the best at Kentucky is Wayne Turner. He was
starting point guard three years in a row, or at
least got in a lot, and he had two championships
and one runner up.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Wayne's a I mean again, if it's achievements, fellow fellas, right, Like,
I mean, that's a conversation.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
There's achievements. We have to include Oscar she Way, player
of the year, led the nation, rebounding, you know.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
But never won a championship. Like Brady Brady is the
goat as a quarterback, but really is the best quarterback
physically and statistically of all time in maybe maybe touchdowns
or something like that. But now Mahomes will probably take
them over. But is it does Mahomes have to have
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seven plus championships to be considered as good as Brady.
That's all. I'm just throwing that out. I mean, what
it depends on the criteria.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's all. I mean, I appreciate it. It's all complicated, right.
I Mean, it's hard for me because there's so many
strong candidates for Wayne Turner to stand out, because there's
just there's so much competition, you know, right, But again, achievements,
it certainly matters. But I also think it can't be
the only thing that matters, right, I think in the
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conversation because yeah, John Wall didn't win it, But if
we put all the Kentucky players of all time in
the gym and you just play out, you know, put
everybody on teams, who's gonna stand out? Like John Wall
is gonna look like one of the two or three
best guys in that gym, no matter what you know,
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And probably any gym that you would put all time
teams on, I think John Wall would probably look pretty good.
We'll be back after the break m just listen to
this voice a little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
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Speaker 3 (23:33):
We all need a moment.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
He listens to Al the way you listen to Darius Rucker.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Right man, He just talking to her, He just talking
to her. You know what I mean? This is this
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He's just he again. Al Green can get you in trouble,
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Just I'm telling you, like somebody listening now, rough weekend, right,
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Al Green is here to help. We're trying to figure
out these all time teams. So there is a statistic
(25:44):
in basketball called wind shares. So wind shares, it's kind
of one of those moneyball things, but it essentially it
tries to estimate how many wins an individual player contributed
to the team's overall record in a season. And it's
important because it factors in offensive and defensive impact. You
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know what I mean, because a lot of times there
are players who don't necessarily have the gigantic numbers, but
everybody knows that they made a major impact right when
they played. Here are the top ten win shares guys
in Kentucky basketball history. Okay, in terms of and again,
(26:30):
this is a newer statistic, so I want to caution
that it started in the mid nineties. So this is
beginning with the ninety five ninety six season until now,
so I'm not ignoring guys before nineteen ninety five. The
stat didn't exist before nineteen ninety five, but during that
time span number ten, Randolph Morris, number nine, Darius Miller
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number eight, Gerald Fitch number seven, Oscar sheebwaynumber six, Keith Bogans,
number five, Scott Patgeck. What are we doing with Scott Paget, Like,
what are we doing with the ninety eight guys? Man?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, yeah, they're not even mentioned, not even brought up
in these conversations. They're not at the table at least,
Like what I mean, well, the one guy mentioned, Wayne Turner.
That's the only guy we've talked about on that ninety eighteen.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh man, that's who. It's tough. That's tough, man to
you're not even putting again, ninety eight guys. For them
not to be on that list is just it's incredible
that the talent pool is that good in Kentucky basketball
history that there's just not room for everybody. So I
(27:43):
saw Scott Paget at five, and I'm like, wait a minute,
we don't even have Scott Pageant in the conversation. He's
number five. Again, you're talking from the mid nineties until now,
Number four, Jamal mcglure, number three, Patrick Patter, number two,
Tayshaun Prince, and the number one win Shares guy. Again,
(28:06):
this is the number of wins that you contributed to
your team over the course of your career based on
your offensive and defensive impact. You guys have any guests
as to who number one is, give me your best
guess based on that criteria, who number one is?
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Gosh, Brian, do you have a guy? I mean again,
I'll say John Wall.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I'll go with Wall, John Wall, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I feel like the way the list has played out,
like the cow guys at the end of the list
and the four player year guys. So I'm gonna have
to say it's probably Wayne Turner.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Chuck has Chuck Hay's Chuck Hase number one in win
shares all time in Kentucky basketball history. Now again, it's
a newest statistic. There's a whole generation of players who
are not included in that. But Chuck has has ranked
(29:02):
over Tayshawn, over Scott Patrick, over Keith Bogan's, over Ascar
she Way and over you know all the guys who
have played since that time. But he didn't come up
at all, right, I mean, Chuck doesn't come up and
Chuck one of the best, uh rebounding pound for pound,
(29:23):
one of the best players.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Oh yeah, in.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
The last twenty five years. Like, I mean, the dude
he was listed at six foot six. How big was
Chuck A's really? I mean, was he six' four maybe you,
know maybe six.' three uh not many guys have ever
rebounded the way that. He did was just a. Tough,
guy again the numbers don't, show it but to be
a consistent double, double guy which, he was says. A
(29:48):
lot but he's also a guy where the numbers may not,
pop out but the impact on the court was. Clearly
THERE so i just think it's just kind of hard
to figure out who to put in. THIS list i
FEEL like i opened up a can of worms and
maybe made this more DIFFICULT had i not mentioned, this
RIGHT had i not said what a? People think but,
(30:11):
you know we're also getting some. Good feedback who we
got to? Call, here yeah phones.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Are loaded let's Go to Bob. And, jamestown bob are
you doing on This?
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(30:42):
high and senior high. WITH him i was right a year,
behind him and HE was I Mean, kevin greeby his
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Speaker 10 (32:33):
Right, Budd hey so here's my five AND then i
got a question. For you so my five is dan
issel yep a d Yep An, Swan, Walker okay Mashburn.
And givings and then my question is this is if
(32:55):
you Had A Mount, mount rushmore who's the four not,
including coaches you would put on? The four Mine, is
Givens mash ad and.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
IS not, I mean i appreciate. THAT call i don't you,
KNOW again i think there's a case to be made
that you have To Include. JACK gibbons i think there's
a case to be made that you have To Include.
John wall it doesn't feel like you can, include, Both
RIGHT and i think that's. The Challenge, like ryan you
(33:27):
Were saying jack has to be, On there Shannon's saying
wall has to be. On there at the end of,
THE day i FEEL like i got to. Pick one, You,
know yep you can't.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Have, both yeah that guy's list didn't really have a.
Point guard He had givens is the playing. Point guard
it's sownding like the big debate is definitely who's your?
Point guard who's your? Shooting, guard WELL and.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I think to me in this, positionless ERA like i,
don't know, YOU know i don't know that you need
true positions as much as you need the five, best
guys you KNOW what? I, mean, like yeah. Good POINT
so i, don't, Know man it's it's gonna. Be difficult
we got time for one. Morek call let's do One
more Gary, And orlando Gary, in orlando what you?
Speaker 5 (34:09):
Got hey?
Speaker 9 (34:12):
Great talkers Are?
Speaker 10 (34:12):
Your? Myron uh?
Speaker 11 (34:14):
You too getting back.
Speaker 12 (34:15):
To what you were, talking about the players that come
back and how the state takes care. Of Them joe
hall used to tell them when they came in. As
freshman he would, say guys you keep your, nose clean
stay out, of trouble go, to class come, to practice,
work hard and the State of kentucky will take care
(34:35):
of you the rest of. Your life, AND uh i
think we've seen that with a lot of players in.
The past they come back and they're leading pretty. Good
Lives And jacob tammy's doing a pretty good job for.
Us too the other thing IS is i did a
benefits show last week for a musician that had, passed
away and there was a Lot Of jimmy buffett and
(34:55):
a lot of. Country music but the guy that stole
the show was the guy that volunteered to show up,
and play and his very last Song Was. Barry white
you Know what, i'm saying have a, great.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Day, guy yeah, So Again barry white. Is another you
Gotta do Barry after marvin because that's number two. Is
coming you KNOW what? I, mean now you need two
rooms if you're gonna Ask Some berry white To your
as a matter of you have to move out of. The,
neighborhood no you gotta move to a whole different neighborhood
in a. New house we'll be back after, This break, oh,
(35:31):
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the way he. Said it won't you? Help me he, didn't,
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Love some. Algreen man this show has. Been fun talk
about the all, time team My. Cousin james always a.
(35:54):
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here yeah the end of.
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we all beg good Friends. With DraftKings but i've kind
of secretly been doing This and i'm afraid to you
admit it or it's going to backfire. On, me Yeah
but i've been betting every game For the rockies. TO
lose i mean just, two dollars but every, Single game
i've been Betting the rockies. To lose like that's a.
Smart bet it's A smart they've lost like seventy five
(37:10):
games Through The All star, break.
Speaker 7 (37:12):
Already so you've so so you've won a lot.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Of, Money, then WELL like, I said i only just
bet two dollars, A time so you win like a
dollar time. You, bet yeah you don't win a whole lot.
Of money so but That's that i've been. Doing that
but Tonight The All, Star game i'm gonna ask, you
guys the Over Under paul skiing strikeouts is one and.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
A half he starts For The.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
National, league yeah he's gonna unders one and. A half
he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Throw one how many pitches he is? Gonna throw he
mainly throw.
Speaker 7 (37:39):
One, Inning yeah i'm gonna go under.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
On that bet. The, Under yeah. I'M under, I bet
i bet.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
The under it depends on how many innings he's. Gonna
go he goes, two innings he may have to get. Two,
strikeouts yeah but you got to remember he's not going
to let him.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
The best hitters out, there too so just be.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
THROWING fastball i don't think he'll throw a lot, of
junk will he.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
PROBABLY not.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I think. It's interesting, after one it, is Interesting and
i'll be. Watching man and it was cool To See
cayle raley blast home. RUNS yesterday i mean. Pretty remarkable,
he's doing uh almost Tied with barrybond's most home runs before.
The break uh so before we get to a few
calls before the end here and, always yeah thanks, as
always you know for having. Me on let me. Fill
(38:22):
in that, Was, interesting, yeah no. Always FUN so i
got a tweet that's interesting from SOMEONE and i want
the opinion of you two. On this who coaches this all?
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Time?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Team, right YEAH that's, i mean if we're, COUNTING championships
i think you.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Go up rep's got to be, the coach even though
he coached like none of, these guys, BUT this.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
I think he still doesn't doesn't into, it though doesn't
that factor into? It NOW granted i understand the origins
and the and the success and also the, you know
kind of being credited as the godfather. OF everything i
don't know, me personally and again this is just in.
My Lifetime there's kay And. There's patino if you, tell
(39:10):
me it's just. About COACHING like i get, A coach
i get to pick to lead, a team no matter,
the situation no matter the scenario x's. And o's i'm
actually Probably picking. PATINO first i think he's. That good
but that's a fun, question too right in, all this
who who would lead? This team once you get all
(39:30):
that set so a lot of.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
The unknowns no way we Would pick patino a couple of,
years ago but now we kind of like, Him AGAIN
so i think people would maybe Argue that patino can coach.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
The team we love him or hate, him though he's
a hell of a coach regardless of what.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
YOU say, i mean one of. The, best yeah one of.
THE best i mean not many guys have, gone now
many guys have. Succeeded everywhere, and oh by, the way
he also won Like a european championship while he was away. From,
college baso not many with. That resume we got.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
A, call next who We got let's Go to joey
at the end of.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
The, show joey what's say you On This? Terrific, Tuesday
joey We? Got joey? Hear me, Go, ahead joey we got,
YOU Now, i kim can you?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Hear me we?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Got, you joey you. Got up.
Speaker 10 (40:21):
We're.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Moving on we're.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
Moving, on james.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Joe was on one of those phones you got to
put the. Minutes, On, James, james james what you got
for Us On?
Speaker 11 (40:30):
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TELL you i always listen to you And uh Matt on,
sunday MORNINGS so i really. Enjoyed that also own two,
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(40:53):
in the top, five conversation maybe you need to throw In.
Wreck Chapman maybe i'm just a little BASED because i,
You know i'll Live, in onnceboro and OF course i
went To A paulo high school where he went and
they called the House that. Rex built, SO anyway I
guess i'm a. Little dia but You know rex had
nine thousand points in his TWELVE year. Nba, CAREER.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Well i mean he it's two Years at kentucky and not,
MANY guys i mean put up those. Numbers either so.
It's interesting a lot of guys to, choose from probably
just too much. Man talent it's gonna be it'll be hard.
To pick would you Guys Put rex chapman?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
On right not in our, starting five but he definitely,
is mentioned like for the second team and third time.
Speaker 7 (41:36):
He's definitely on.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
The, bench, yeah yeah. SECOND team i think that second
team might be harder than the. First, TEAM honestly, i
mean second team is gonna be that's where you're really gonna.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Leave, out yeah at some point you get to the
cut line where they're not even on. The team, you
know you get, your starters you get your. Bench players
then you gotta have a cut line of guys that
don't make it.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
At, all wow just.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Wild stuff well this has, been, fun man. Everything appreciation
it's cool to, come in yeah and fill In For.
MATT jones i want to say something, real, QUICK man
i hope you go out and embrace everybody in, your
world in. Your life this, last week my best friend
is going through this. UNIMAGINABLE tragedy i won't mention, the
details but it was a reminder of just making sure
(42:19):
you appreciate everything that you have with you. Right now,
you know who knows what, tomorrow holds, next year all
those things that we get caught. Up in but make
sure the people in your life today know how much
they mean to, you today, not tomorrow not. Next week
and you know what put away? The drama, you know.
(42:39):
Solve it call, that person tell them you, love Them say,
i'm sorry move on with. Your lives have, a Great. Terrific,
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Speaker 3 (01:00):
I cap here filling in for Matt Jones. I've been
looking through fellas in the break at Kentucky's all time points,
all time scores. Yes, so yeah, Dan issel with two
one and thirty eight points, which is crazy.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
In three years. He only played three years.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Yeah, no one's made that. That's ridiculous. Kenny Skott Walker yep,
who so Like I don't know what he does for
a living, but every time I've been to Rupperena, I
feel like Kenny's job is just being Kenny. That's it.
Like I just see him surrounded by groups of people
every time I go to Lexington and he's just hanging out,
(01:44):
and I hope that's his job, because you know, that's
a cool thing, That's what it's one of I've been
talking to a lot of coaches about this fellas one
of the problems with the transfer portal era that I
think people are not talking about. Number one. I think
there are a lot of kids who are not getting
their degrees and we're just not hearing about it yet,
but we will hear about it in the years ahead,
(02:06):
because there's a bunch of these guys who are they're
transferring athletically but not academically. So I wonder what happens
when a bunch of these kids are ten years from now.
If things aren't academically in order, you don't have a degree,
where does that leave you. I won't name the coach,
but a really, really prominent coach told me recently. He
(02:26):
told me, every single week, and this is an SEC coach,
every single week he gets a call from a former
player who needs money. Right, wow, Wow. Every week he
gets a call from a former player who is in
need of money. And we're not telling these stories in
the portal. But I think the other thing that I
(02:49):
think people are maybe missing from the portal conversation is
a school like Kentucky. Let's say, every time I go
to a game, there are former play who come back
who are honored. But I don't think that's the real
story of Kentucky basketball. How many guys just moved back
to Kentucky when their careers were over, and maybe they're
(03:12):
working a sales job, but like they're gonna be good
for life because there's a community to support them because
of them spending two, three, four years, maybe five years
at the same school. I think some of the portal
kids maybe don't understand how valuable that is. So I
was talking to time Izzo. Michigan State has this thing
(03:34):
where every summer everybody comes back, all the Michigan State
guys come back, and it's a whole thing. What is
home now for this generation of players? Man Like, I
don't know the answer to that now. Granted, if you
go to a school as a transfer and you lead
them to a Final four, you're always gonna have a
place probably right in that community. But if you go
(03:57):
to a school for a year and they get bounced
into second around, you know, you're a footnote. You know
you're you're the fine print into brochure. I feel like,
so that's one thing I am curious about guys, is
without guys playing two, three, four or five years, forget
the debate about whether or not they should be allowed
(04:18):
to do that and transfer. I just wonder how this
impacts them in their lives, you know, in terms of
whether they'll have the opportunity to really attach themselves to
that fan base, to that community when it's all said
and done, if they've only been there for a year.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
I agree, guys like you know, Kellen Grady and Davion
Mintz that were only here for a year or two
didn't get able to, you know, feel the love of
a big March Madness run or anything like that. I
worried too about these guys that Pope just brought in.
But I think, like Angeley Aminor has decided to play
on this TBT team this week, I think that I
think that's big for these guys if maybe they come
(04:57):
back and maybe want to play on that team and
feel the lof Khalil. Whitney even said that this past weekend.
He said, Man, I just want to feel the love
and earn the love back of Kentucky's basketball, you know,
I want to feel that again. I think I think
that's maybe Schmirron. Maybe as they get older, they'll maybe
want to come back and appreciate it again.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah. Well, and I think Kentucky obviously does a good
job of embracing those guys. You know, there are a
lot of maybe teams that don't necessarily have that. You
hear a lot of guys from Kentucky City. They want
to come back, They want to be a part of
the fan base, and whether it's a tvt or just
going to a game, things like that matter to them.
But I don't think it's like that across the country,
(05:36):
you know, Like I don't know that the dude who's
been to you know, three schools in four years and
it's never been to a second weekend. I don't know
what the thirty five year old version does of him,
does if he needs a fresh start, you know, Like
I'm thinking more of the life stuff that I think
a lot of times are just overlooked. Man. I can't
(05:57):
tell you how many players I know who were good
players at their schools and things went south in life,
and you know what, they went back to that community.
You know, they went back to that they were maybe
on the coaching staff, or I know guys who went
back to school and got their degrees and they're just
kind of hanging around the program and the program has
(06:19):
embraced them. And I just think there's value in that.
And you know, I don't know what that means necessarily
kind of in the portal era, but I do think
it's something for these guys to consider. It's like, you know,
you're not gonna be twenty two to twenty three forever.
You know you're gonna be thirty one day and forty
one day, and I think having those connections can really
have value. Before we get to some of the calls
(06:42):
this all time starting five with Kentucky. I've looked up
top scores of all time. We talked about Dan Eessel,
Kenny Walker, Jack Gibbons twenty thirty eight, just below Kenny Walker.
Who Ryan, that's your lock, right, Jack Gibbons. I didn't
realize Keith Bogans was fourth, the leading scoring guard in
(07:04):
UK history. Is Keith Bogans?
Speaker 2 (07:07):
About that?
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Keith?
Speaker 3 (07:09):
I didn't realize Keith was fourth? Yeah, my goodness for
your guy, you know one. I mean he was a
year after the Tubby run, right, yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
He he His senior year was O three. I believe yeap.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
He was consistent. He was very consistent. I didn't realize
Keith Bogans was fourth. And then Tony Delk number two,
I mean number five, right below him. So here's a
guy I've never heard. I didn't know about this, you know.
So I don't know. Uh, there are a lot of
great players in Kentucky history. First, I'm hearing about Kevin Greevy.
(07:53):
Oh my, I haven't heard that name come up. Yeah,
but Kevin Greevy averaged twenty one a game for three
years in the seventies, I mean, and was a first
round pick. So I don't know I mean, that's pretty impressive.
He averaged eighteen seven twenty one nine as a sophomore,
twenty three point five as a third year guy. I mean,
(08:17):
back when we didn't have a three point line, Like,
what do you do with guys like that Fellas, Like
what do you You just ignore it because that wasn't as.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
I mean, yeah, it makes you wonder, like how much
some of these guys would be averaging if they had
a three point line, you know, like those numbers at
twenty three a game could have been close to thirty
a game.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
People that are a little older than me, Myron, like
maybe people like in their early sixties, they love Kevin Greevy.
He's one of their favorite players of all time. But
he kind of gets lost in the shuffle we're talking
about these great players because I don't know, maybe because
he didn't win a championship close that one year. But
the seventy five team, I.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Mean, Kevin Greevy averaged more in his career than Jamal Mashburn,
if you average more, didn't like anybody we're talking about
other than Dan Essel. He averaged more points per game
than those guys. And I know points aren't everything, but
like that's a pretty big number. Over the course of
the career, averaged twenty one. There are many guys in
(09:15):
NCAA history who've averaged twenty a game over three years.
And then he was a part of the era where
didn't play as a freshman because freshmen weren't playing, and
so he's got these three years. But my goodness, I
feel like that's something that shouldn't be overlooked as well.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
You know, Mashburn and Wall they have that edge too
that they came along when the program needed him to
come along, you know. They Mashburn came when when Matino
came in to help reinvent the program. Wall came when
Cal came to reinvent the program. So I think that
carries a lot of weight too. How people feel about
these all time players.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I mean, you know, all
of these guys are all strong candidates, right.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Oh yeah, you can't go wrong. There's no wrong answer.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
So Tayshawn, why did I Why did I feel like
Tayshawn was on the title team with Tubby? He wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
No, his last year was O two. He came in
right after that. He was at He was the class
that came in right after they won. Okay, it's like him,
Jason Levins, Todd Tackett, Jess Kamara, and Desmond Allison. I
think was the class.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
Tayshawn was also an incredible defensive player, right, Yeah, how
was it? I mean he's kind of like, you know,
for your guy, obviously played at a really high level,
developed and grew certainly at that position. But again, from
a talent perspective, Mashburn to me feels it's hard to
be to imagine putting somebody over Mashburn based on sheer
(10:51):
talent and mash Burn has more career points. But I
don't know, man, this is gonna this is gonna be hard.
It's gonna be interesting to see.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Who's the be ready to do? Who's your first one?
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It don't come out tomorrow. Don't know if I'm supposed
to say, I mean you, but I mean no, yeah,
come out. I don't know the rules on that stuff.
But give me a yeah, give me our first caller
on this terrific Tuesday. Who we got Let's go to Grover, Grover,
what you got on this terrific Tuesday?
Speaker 5 (11:21):
Man?
Speaker 6 (11:22):
Hey, guys, uh I was a manager on the sixty
nine to seventy seventy one teams. Of course, dan Issel
is my teammate, but I got a guy to guard
who's the Ulti of League scorer Kentucky as a freshman
without a three pointer, and that's Mike Casey. Uh, Mike
Casey needs to be remembered because he was and he
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didn't have he didn't have a three pointers. But he's
still the ulti league scorer as a freshman at UK
without a three point.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah, that's pretty that's pretty amazing. Again, I'd looked up
Mike Casey because he's on that list too. Mike Casey
averaged twenty a game in sixty seven, sixty eight nineteen
and sixty eight, sixty nine seventeen in seventy seventy one.
I mean, those are those are big numbers, you know.
Speaker 6 (12:16):
And he just had to say he had he had
to set out his senior year because he was in
a bad car wreck and broke his leg in four places.
But he did come back as a senior and made
all sec And Uh, of course, being my teammate, I
always think that Mike, Mike's not Wizards anymore. But I
just wanted to mention his name.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
No, I appreciate it now Mike again, Mike's top ten
all time in Kentucky history points per game, I mean eighteen.
You know, here's another guy on that list, Fellas, who
is right below Mike Casey. We do a pat Riley
Riley average eighteen.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
A game and never gets brought up in these discussions.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
We always think of him as a coach, don't even
talk about him as a player.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
It's eighteen a game.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And I want to correct something. Grover's said that the
all time freshman leading scorer for one season as a
freshman is Malik Monk. I think Casey was then the
all time freshman leader before freshman could play varsity basketball,
But the all time overall freshman scoring leader in one
season is Malik Monk, who.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
By the way, had the the most overlooked SEC player
of the year run ever right and Malik But like
Malik put up crazy numbers and like just I think
people forget how good he was. Yeah, in the one
year that he was at Kentucky. Man like so much talent, man,
so many talented guys. Who's our next call? Judy, Hey, Judy,
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how you doing on this terrific Tuesday.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
I'm great how are you all.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Doing well? Doing well? What you got for us?
Speaker 5 (13:56):
I don't know what years he was there, but you
might be overlooking. I've got a biblehead of Kyle Macy.
Speaker 7 (14:04):
Ryan mentioned Macy, Ryan mentioned Macy.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Ryan mentioned Kyle Macy.
Speaker 5 (14:13):
Yeah he was was fantastic. Yeah yeah, okay, well that's
what I got.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
I appreciate that. I don't know, Okay, well, but you all,
you all strongly disagree about Kyle Macy though, like Ryan said,
the name and Shannon you said.
Speaker 4 (14:34):
No, no, I mean, Macy was great, And maybe part
of that is I didn't grow up watching Macy, so
I think there's also some of that bias that goes
into it as well. You know, if you go one
hunting a guy in your mind, that was your guy,
right for me, I didn't. I'm not gonna say I
grew up watching John Wall, but I got to see
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John Wall play a lot more than I saw Kyle
Macy play. So just look, you know, seeing highlights of
Macy versus remembering John Wall. In my mind, Wall was
a lot better. But you know, that's why we have
these debates, everybody to get a different opinion.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Well, and I do respect the idea of like, here's
the problem, like with with the team like Kentucky, you
have to acknowledge the past generations, right, Like this is
a program where you can't put a list up and
not have dan Issel if you want people to respect it.
At the same time, I can't just ignore the last
twenty years or fifteen years of one and done basketball
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players because they didn't stay as long, because some of
those guys were very, very good. So I think it's
about that balance right between identifying past and present. But
I think the mid the nineties guys are the hardest
ones to figure out, you know. I think that like
no one even said Antoine Walker, right, his name hasn't
come up at all, And I mean Antwoine Walker. How
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many teams can have an all time list and Antoine
Walker wouldn't be mentioned.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
No pick in the draft or something eighth pick in
the draft, you.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Know, like how many guys now Granted Antoine really had
that one big ninety six, Like I think his freshman
year wasn't he was okay, he was good, but he
wasn't what he became in that second year. But I
mean a guy with a championship, a guy who was
one of the best players on that ninety sixteen. Uh,
how do you have a conversation without him? Yeah, you know,
(16:30):
but we have certainly done that. Give me another call
before we go.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
To break it all, right, let's go to Tristan.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Tristan on Tuesday. How you doing so?
Speaker 8 (16:42):
So, first of all, I'm going to agree with you
all about the one, the four, and the five. I
think that's pretty much set. So that leaves the two
and the three, And I would like to submit these
two names. For the number two spot, you got to
have the greatest shooter at the history of the school,
and that's de Ron Lamb. And for the number three spot,
you got to have one of the greatest defensive ares
ever to play here in next DeAndre Liggans. To put
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them split some respect on their names.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Goodness, Myron, Myron. Yeah, tomorrow, guess who's going to be
on the show tomorrow? Doron Lamb and DeAndre Niggins both
there on the show tomorrow. How they I d just
to know.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
That he might. He must work for those guys, so
on the show. Do me a favor when they're on tomorrow,
ask them that same question, Okay, like, ask them about
their all about their starting five and who who would
be on it because you know, I mean, we're just
talking about Malik Monk again. How many guys would be
SEC Player of the Year. I think the average twenty
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a game in the SEC and you wouldn't even mention
him once, not any conversation about all time greats, like
how many probably teams would have that situation? Yeah, you know,
sure there are not many teams. So we're gonna talk
more about this. Please keep calling. I want to know
your all time teams. I'm trying to figure out my locks.
Help us out after the break. TJ. Smith personal injury attorney.
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Speaker 4 (18:00):
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Speaker 3 (18:06):
Did it make sweet music like this anymore? No, you know,
I don't think they don't make sweet music. You know,
like so much of the music now is so in
your face, you know what I mean, Like it's just
it's just it's aggressive, and you know, like I like
the era of music where you can be sitting on
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your porch on a summer day and just playing that,
you know, playing some good music. Good like this is
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Speaker 4 (19:39):
Now back to you, that wasn't in your face live
read that was not an hour agree read.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
That wasn't an hour reading that was like that was
a DMX read. I feel like that was a little more,
a little more abrasive. We're doing this all time, starting viving.
People are tweet me and I want to get to
a company's calls before the break and then we'll keep going.
I remember being in the arena, Magic Johnson Rob Polenka
(20:03):
are representing the Lakers, and they're there because Lonzo Ball
is playing d Aaron Fox right yep, And they're both
about to go into the draft. And I even asked.
I was like talking to Magic Johns, say hey, what
do you think about these guys? He's like, man, I
can't comment whatever. And d Aaron Fox cooked Lonzo. If
you all remember that game, the Aaron was the best
(20:27):
guard on the floor and there was no conversation about it.
And you know who hasn't come up in our conversation
about Aaron Fox? The Aaron Fox. And if you want
to tell me who are the fastest human beings I've
ever seen with a basketball in their hands, He's on
the short list. John wall is number one. I think
Derek Rowse is probably number two. For me, I don't
(20:50):
know that you're gonna find three guys quicker than d
Aaron Fox. Right, So, but he doesn't even come up
because that's just how much talent you have, uh in
the Kentucky tree. Who's our first call. Let's go to
Bruce Bak here, Bruce, how you doing on this trip? Us?
Speaker 9 (21:07):
Great? I'm gonna throw you guys at curve. If the
criteria is athleticism, then you gotta go with like say,
say the Fab five of Michigan. They were by far
the best athletes, but yet they never won a single championship.
So I'm gonna throw this out. I'm gonna go with championships.
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And the best at Kentucky is Wayne Turner. He was
starting point guard three years in a row, or at
least got in a lot, and he had two championships
and one runner up.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Wayne's a I mean again, if it's achievements, fellow fellas, right, Like,
I mean, that's a conversation.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
There's achievements. We have to include Oscar she Way, player
of the year, led the nation, rebounding, you know.
Speaker 9 (21:57):
But never won a championship. Like Brady Brady is the
goat as a quarterback, but really is the best quarterback
physically and statistically of all time in maybe maybe touchdowns
or something like that. But now Mahomes will probably take
them over. But is it does Mahomes have to have
(22:19):
seven plus championships to be considered as good as Brady.
That's all. I'm just throwing that out. I mean, what
it depends on the criteria.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's all. I mean, I appreciate it. It's all complicated, right.
I Mean, it's hard for me because there's so many
strong candidates for Wayne Turner to stand out, because there's
just there's so much competition, you know, right, But again, achievements,
it certainly matters. But I also think it can't be
the only thing that matters, right, I think in the
(22:50):
conversation because yeah, John Wall didn't win it, But if
we put all the Kentucky players of all time in
the gym and you just play out, you know, put
everybody on teams, who's gonna stand out? Like John Wall
is gonna look like one of the two or three
best guys in that gym, no matter what you know,
(23:10):
And probably any gym that you would put all time
teams on, I think John Wall would probably look pretty good.
We'll be back after the break m just listen to
this voice a little bit.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Mm come on, al already needs a moment.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
We all need a moment.
Speaker 7 (23:34):
He listens to Al the way you listen to Darius Rucker.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Right man, He just talking to her, He just talking
to her. You know what I mean? This is this
is this, this is you. You know, it's a tough weekend,
just you and your partner sitting in the car. You're
just trying to have one of those conversations. You know.
He's just he again. Al Green can get you in trouble,
(23:57):
you can also get you out of trouble. And that's
the benefit. You just got to decide which Al Green
you need. But he's here to help. He has the solution.
You just got to find the right song. But I
just I just love that old school driving music. You
know what I'm talking about. Like, I'm a road trip guy,
So I grew up driving. I didn't we didn't fly anywhere.
(24:18):
My family got a big family, nine people, so we
were always on the road. So like that music that
you could just hit play and you could just cruise
down the highway. Nothing like it, man, And I want
to I want people to bring it back, bring bring
back sweet driving music, fell us, bring bring back road
trip music where you could just cruise, man, and just
(24:41):
enjoy your life. That's what I That's what I miss, man,
That's what I miss more than anything like. That's how
good does this sound? Felas, This is different? It hits different.
Just I'm telling you, like somebody listening now, rough weekend, right,
I get it. I've been there, trust me. You know,
rough weekend with your part, a rough week with the spouse, whatever,
(25:01):
And you're sitting there and you're like, oh man, what
I gotta do. I gotta go buy flowers chocolates. Guess what,
She's already had all the flowers and chocolates. You can
try it, but she's expecting that, you know what. She's
not expecting for you to just play this song over
the phone and not to say anything say we'll do
is all you do is just play this. Don't even
ask she's gonna say hello, don't even say hello back.
(25:23):
Just put on al Green and let it play and
just let her listen to the lyrics. That's all you
gotta do, and then hang up and give it about
thirty minutes that she digests what just happened, and things
will be Okay, I'm just telling you what I know.
Al Green is here to help. We're trying to figure
out these all time teams. So there is a statistic
(25:44):
in basketball called wind shares. So wind shares, it's kind
of one of those moneyball things, but it essentially it
tries to estimate how many wins an individual player contributed
to the team's overall record in a season. And it's
important because it factors in offensive and defensive impact. You
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know what I mean, because a lot of times there
are players who don't necessarily have the gigantic numbers, but
everybody knows that they made a major impact right when
they played. Here are the top ten win shares guys
in Kentucky basketball history. Okay, in terms of and again,
(26:30):
this is a newer statistic, so I want to caution
that it started in the mid nineties. So this is
beginning with the ninety five ninety six season until now,
so I'm not ignoring guys before nineteen ninety five. The
stat didn't exist before nineteen ninety five, but during that
time span number ten, Randolph Morris, number nine, Darius Miller
(26:53):
number eight, Gerald Fitch number seven, Oscar sheebwaynumber six, Keith Bogans,
number five, Scott Patgeck. What are we doing with Scott Paget, Like,
what are we doing with the ninety eight guys? Man?
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Yeah, yeah, they're not even mentioned, not even brought up
in these conversations. They're not at the table at least,
Like what I mean, well, the one guy mentioned, Wayne Turner.
That's the only guy we've talked about on that ninety eighteen.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh man, that's who. It's tough. That's tough, man to
you're not even putting again, ninety eight guys. For them
not to be on that list is just it's incredible
that the talent pool is that good in Kentucky basketball
history that there's just not room for everybody. So I
(27:43):
saw Scott Paget at five, and I'm like, wait a minute,
we don't even have Scott Pageant in the conversation. He's
number five. Again, you're talking from the mid nineties until now,
Number four, Jamal mcglure, number three, Patrick Patter, number two,
Tayshaun Prince, and the number one win Shares guy. Again,
(28:06):
this is the number of wins that you contributed to
your team over the course of your career based on
your offensive and defensive impact. You guys have any guests
as to who number one is, give me your best
guess based on that criteria, who number one is?
Speaker 7 (28:25):
Gosh, Brian, do you have a guy? I mean again,
I'll say John Wall.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I'll go with Wall, John Wall, Ryan.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I feel like the way the list has played out,
like the cow guys at the end of the list
and the four player year guys. So I'm gonna have
to say it's probably Wayne Turner.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Chuck has Chuck Hay's Chuck Hase number one in win
shares all time in Kentucky basketball history. Now again, it's
a newest statistic. There's a whole generation of players who
are not included in that. But Chuck has has ranked
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over Tayshawn, over Scott Patrick, over Keith Bogan's, over Ascar
she Way and over you know all the guys who
have played since that time. But he didn't come up
at all, right, I mean, Chuck doesn't come up and
Chuck one of the best, uh rebounding pound for pound,
(29:23):
one of the best players.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Oh yeah, in.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
The last twenty five years. Like, I mean, the dude
he was listed at six foot six. How big was
Chuck A's really? I mean, was he six' four maybe you,
know maybe six.' three uh not many guys have ever
rebounded the way that. He did was just a. Tough,
guy again the numbers don't, show it but to be
a consistent double, double guy which, he was says. A
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lot but he's also a guy where the numbers may not,
pop out but the impact on the court was. Clearly
THERE so i just think it's just kind of hard
to figure out who to put in. THIS list i
FEEL like i opened up a can of worms and
maybe made this more DIFFICULT had i not mentioned, this
RIGHT had i not said what a? People think but,
(30:11):
you know we're also getting some. Good feedback who we
got to? Call, here yeah phones.
Speaker 7 (30:15):
Are loaded let's Go to Bob. And, jamestown bob are
you doing on This?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
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(30:42):
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Speaker 10 (32:33):
Right, Budd hey so here's my five AND then i
got a question. For you so my five is dan
issel yep a d Yep An, Swan, Walker okay Mashburn.
And givings and then my question is this is if
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you Had A Mount, mount rushmore who's the four not,
including coaches you would put on? The four Mine, is
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IS not, I mean i appreciate. THAT call i don't you,
KNOW again i think there's a case to be made
that you have To Include. JACK gibbons i think there's
a case to be made that you have To Include.
John wall it doesn't feel like you can, include, Both
RIGHT and i think that's. The Challenge, like ryan you
(33:27):
Were saying jack has to be, On there Shannon's saying
wall has to be. On there at the end of,
THE day i FEEL like i got to. Pick one, You,
know yep you can't.
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it's sownding like the big debate is definitely who's your?
Point guard who's your? Shooting, guard WELL and.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
I think to me in this, positionless ERA like i,
don't know, YOU know i don't know that you need
true positions as much as you need the five, best
guys you KNOW what? I, mean, like yeah. Good POINT
so i, don't, Know man it's it's gonna. Be difficult
we got time for one. Morek call let's do One
more Gary, And orlando Gary, in orlando what you?
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You too getting back.
Speaker 12 (34:15):
To what you were, talking about the players that come
back and how the state takes care. Of Them joe
hall used to tell them when they came in. As
freshman he would, say guys you keep your, nose clean
stay out, of trouble go, to class come, to practice,
work hard and the State of kentucky will take care
(34:35):
of you the rest of. Your life, AND uh i
think we've seen that with a lot of players in.
The past they come back and they're leading pretty. Good
Lives And jacob tammy's doing a pretty good job for.
Us too the other thing IS is i did a
benefits show last week for a musician that had, passed
away and there was a Lot Of jimmy buffett and
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a lot of. Country music but the guy that stole
the show was the guy that volunteered to show up,
and play and his very last Song Was. Barry white
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lose i mean just, two dollars but every, Single game
i've been Betting the rockies. To lose like that's a.
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(37:10):
games Through The All star, break.
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Already so you've so so you've won a lot.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
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but Tonight The All, Star game i'm gonna ask, you
guys the Over Under paul skiing strikeouts is one and.
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mainly throw.
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One, Inning yeah i'm gonna go under.
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Speaker 2 (37:45):
The under it depends on how many innings he's. Gonna
go he goes, two innings he may have to get. Two,
strikeouts yeah but you got to remember he's not going
to let him.
Speaker 7 (37:53):
The best hitters out, there too so just be.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
THROWING fastball i don't think he'll throw a lot, of
junk will he.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
PROBABLY not.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
I think. It's interesting, after one it, is Interesting and
i'll be. Watching man and it was cool To See
cayle raley blast home. RUNS yesterday i mean. Pretty remarkable,
he's doing uh almost Tied with barrybond's most home runs before.
The break uh so before we get to a few
calls before the end here and, always yeah thanks, as
always you know for having. Me on let me. Fill
(38:22):
in that, Was, interesting, yeah no. Always FUN so i
got a tweet that's interesting from SOMEONE and i want
the opinion of you two. On this who coaches this all?
Speaker 6 (38:32):
Time?
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Team, right YEAH that's, i mean if we're, COUNTING championships
i think you.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Go up rep's got to be, the coach even though
he coached like none of, these guys, BUT this.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
I think he still doesn't doesn't into, it though doesn't
that factor into? It NOW granted i understand the origins
and the and the success and also the, you know
kind of being credited as the godfather. OF everything i
don't know, me personally and again this is just in.
My Lifetime there's kay And. There's patino if you, tell
(39:10):
me it's just. About COACHING like i get, A coach
i get to pick to lead, a team no matter,
the situation no matter the scenario x's. And o's i'm
actually Probably picking. PATINO first i think he's. That good
but that's a fun, question too right in, all this
who who would lead? This team once you get all
(39:30):
that set so a lot of.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
The unknowns no way we Would pick patino a couple of,
years ago but now we kind of like, Him AGAIN
so i think people would maybe Argue that patino can coach.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
The team we love him or hate, him though he's
a hell of a coach regardless of what.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
YOU say, i mean one of. The, best yeah one of.
THE best i mean not many guys have, gone now
many guys have. Succeeded everywhere, and oh by, the way
he also won Like a european championship while he was away. From,
college baso not many with. That resume we got.
Speaker 7 (40:00):
A, call next who We got let's Go to joey
at the end of.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
The, show joey what's say you On This? Terrific, Tuesday
joey We? Got joey? Hear me, Go, ahead joey we got,
YOU Now, i kim can you?
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Hear me we?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
Got, you joey you. Got up.
Speaker 10 (40:21):
We're.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Moving on we're.
Speaker 7 (40:22):
Moving, on james.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Joe was on one of those phones you got to
put the. Minutes, On, James, james james what you got
for Us On?
Speaker 11 (40:30):
Terrific, tuesday well for one MINE and i want to
TELL you i always listen to you And uh Matt on,
sunday MORNINGS so i really. Enjoyed that also own two,
sports stores one in orangebur One And, bowling GREEN and
i Drive back force listening TO ks r just about,
every DAY so i really enjoyed. THE show i think
(40:53):
in the top, five conversation maybe you need to throw In.
Wreck Chapman maybe i'm just a little BASED because i,
You know i'll Live, in onnceboro and OF course i
went To A paulo high school where he went and
they called the House that. Rex built, SO anyway I
guess i'm a. Little dia but You know rex had
nine thousand points in his TWELVE year. Nba, CAREER.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
Well i mean he it's two Years at kentucky and not,
MANY guys i mean put up those. Numbers either so.
It's interesting a lot of guys to, choose from probably
just too much. Man talent it's gonna be it'll be hard.
To pick would you Guys Put rex chapman?
Speaker 2 (41:31):
On right not in our, starting five but he definitely,
is mentioned like for the second team and third time.
Speaker 7 (41:36):
He's definitely on.
Speaker 3 (41:37):
The, bench, yeah yeah. SECOND team i think that second
team might be harder than the. First, TEAM honestly, i
mean second team is gonna be that's where you're really gonna.
Speaker 4 (41:45):
Leave, out yeah at some point you get to the
cut line where they're not even on. The team, you
know you get, your starters you get your. Bench players
then you gotta have a cut line of guys that
don't make it.
Speaker 7 (41:54):
At, all wow just.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Wild stuff well this has, been, fun man. Everything appreciation
it's cool to, come in yeah and fill In For.
MATT jones i want to say something, real, QUICK man
i hope you go out and embrace everybody in, your
world in. Your life this, last week my best friend
is going through this. UNIMAGINABLE tragedy i won't mention, the
details but it was a reminder of just making sure
(42:19):
you appreciate everything that you have with you. Right now,
you know who knows what, tomorrow holds, next year all
those things that we get caught. Up in but make
sure the people in your life today know how much
they mean to, you today, not tomorrow not. Next week
and you know what put away? The drama, you know.
(42:39):
Solve it call, that person tell them you, love Them say,
i'm sorry move on with. Your lives have, a Great. Terrific,
tuesday everybody
Host
Matt Jones
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