KSR Postgame UK MBB vs Oakland NCAAT 03/21/24

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome everyone.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
It is the local Tony Dealers KSR postgame show. I'm
Matt Jones here actually in the lobby where I was
for the pregame show at the Marriott in Pittsburgh, where
unfortunately this is the Oakland team hotel. There's nowhere else
I could find to go, so I'm here. So if
you hear noise in the background, that's unfortunately going to

(00:22):
be them celebrating as they certainly should do after beating
Kentucky eighty to seventy six. I just got here after
I wanted to hear the John cal Perry press conference
and the comments to reporters, and I just got back
here from there, and you know, I thought on my
walk a lot about well, what are you going to say?

(00:43):
Because there is no doubt this is not only an
inflection point, it probably is the inflection point for Kentucky
basketball and the cal Perry era. For the second time
in three years, Kentucky has lost to a high digit seed.
Since night, since the tournament went to sixty four teams,

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Kentucky has only lost in the first round four times,
and they two of them are in.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
The last three years.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
Three two seasons ago. In my opinion. It was the
worst NCAA tournament lost in UK history, and this is
probably the second worst, and it's happened in three years.
Three years ago probably the worst UK season in history.
So a pretty terrible run over the last four years.
And as I was walking here, I was trying to

(01:34):
figure out, you know, what am I gonna say? Because
there are certain times that you know, you you hit
a moment with with a fan base or with a
coach where like you just have to you just have
to say it how it is. And this is where
I think we are right now. It is all season long.

(01:56):
We said this last summer, I thought this was going
to be the most important season in the Calperi era
and you got to go back to COVID to see.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Why that is.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Since then, it's been a different col I mean, we
just have to accept it. There's no sugarcoating. It's been different.
And the list of things that have happened all of
you know, but at the end of the day, none
of it really matters if you win. If you win,
all the other stuff is secondary. Your relationship with the

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athletic director, your relationship with the media, your relationship with boosters,
your relationship, even with the fans, all of it really
doesn't matter if you win. If you win, everything will
be forgiven because you're winning. And the reality is the
simplest way to put where Kentucky basketball is right now

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is we aren't winning and we aren't winning enough, cal
Perry said in his interview on CBS, He said it
in his interview on the radio, and he said it
in the interview to the press conference. He said, I
hate that this team will be defined by this game.
I hate that because they're better than that. Well, on

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some level I agree with him because I really like
this team. But at the end of the day, the
point of UK basketball and the point of playing games
is to win.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's the point.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
The point is to get victories, the point is to
build a program, and the point is to win. It
is now. There are secondary things that are also awesome,
building relationships with fans. Cal Perry talks about helping players
reach their dreams and all of that. I'm not only four.
I think when you do that it leads to more winning.

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But at the end of the day, winning has to
be the primary thing. Winning has to be the centerpiece
of why you do it. You play to quote Herm
Edwards to win the game, and you play to build
memories and a program the fan base that they love.
And there is no place in college basketball, maybe no

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place in college athletics that cares more about a particular
thing and about winning than Kentucky Basketball. And Cal has
sat for years this place is it for everyone? And
he's right, it's not. Not everybody can do this job.
This is a different thing here. We care the most,

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thus you're paid the most. Thus there's the most pressure
on you. Period. And the reality is that at this moment,
Cali Perry, in the last four years, has failed at
the number one goal, which is winning. I talked about
this this morning, you know.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
For years, especially in the last few years, Cali Perry
excused a lot of regular season mistakes by saying, everything's
about March. March is what matters. March is what matters.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
And I always kind of hated that for him because
in the tournament, random stuff can happen. Today, a kid
who was playing Division three two seasons ago hits ten
three pointers against you. Stuff happens, but he himself has
set the standard. This is not Matt Jones, This is
not the fan base. This is John CALIPERI he has

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set the standard. March is what matters. I have my
teams ready for March and one of the things. And
as you hear this, the players for Oakland are starting
to come back in and you'll hear them in the
background because it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
But he has said for a while it's about March. March.

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, the reality is we are failing in March. And
he said this last year, and he said this year.
I don't like that the season is defined by March. Well,
you're the one that's set it up like that. It
has to be defined by something. We haven't We've won
one regular season title since twenty seventeen. We've won one
SEC tournament title since twenty seventeen. We've only won one

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SEC tournament game since twenty nineteen. We've only won one
NCAA tournament game since twenty nineteen. So we have to
define it with something, and right now we're defining it
with losing. And I hate to say this, I do
because I have a lot of affinity Contrary to what

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people believe for John cal Perry. The cal Perry era
has corresponded with my career. He has brought Kentucky, great wins,
great success, and for eight years made it about the

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most fun thing you could have as a Kentucky fan
during that period of time.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
But it's not like that now. It's not like that now.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
Now we have a fan base that tens, maybe hundreds
of thousands are listening right now, and I think ninety
seven percent ninety five percent feel the same way.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
It just can't go on like this. The situation is untenable.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
It's a relationship which has been great for a lot
of it, but it has reached the point that I
think there probably needs to be a separation. I don't
know how the UK fan base can get into another
year of being excited but also dreading what's to come.

(07:44):
Cal Perry's now in a situation that anything he says
makes most fans frustrated, anything he does makes many fans frustrated.
And this year he had a team that this fan
base loves. They love Read Shepherd, they love Rob Dillingham,
they love Antonio Reeves, they love these guys. This was

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the most excited this fan base has been on about
a team probably since twenty seventeen, if not before. This
team was beloved, and yet we lost ten games and
we lost to Oakland two years after losing to Saint Peter's.
I don't think it can continue like this. How do
we go into an offseason with what's happening? How how

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do fans continue to have interest? And how do fans
get that love and excitement they have if it's going
to be the same old thing that cheering you here
in the background, that's supposed to be us, that's supposed
to be Kentucky basketball. It's supposed to be a celebration,

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and it hasn't been long enough. And I think, if
we're honest and you go back through this, for you
history outside of when we were on probation, this has
been the least successful four year history in what matters,
which is the postseason, in Kentucky basketball history. And if

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that's the case, how do you keep going? How do
you keep doing it? I hate it. Cal's a great man.
Cal's a great coach, and I believe that, and Col's
produced a ton of amazing memories for this fan base.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
But good things end.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
And I don't know how it happens. There's thirty three
million dollars old, but I don't see how this can
go on. I don't see how you can have a
coach that has no relationship with his athletic director, no
relationship with most of his donors, no relationship with his media,
no relationship with most folks. I don't I don't know

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how you can do that and then come back and
run it back again. Callan press conference did not sound
like a guy that wants to go. He talked about
how good the freshmen were coming in next year. He
talked about how some guys may come back and maybe
that's will be what it is, and if he comes back,

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I'll root for him. I want Kentucky to win every game,
and I'll be the biggest advocate for Kentucky basketball I can.
But if I'm being honest, and I think if a
lot of people who are listening are being honest, they
know it's probably time for a change. It's probably time

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for two groups that have gone really well together, the
Kentucky fan base and John cal Perry, to just agree
to go in different directions. How that happens, I don't know,
but I think if you're asking Matt Jones, that's probably
what needs to take place. Nights like tonight in the
season of twenty twenty one and the Saint Peter's loss.

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This is not Kentucky basketball, and unfortunately we've gotten away
from it and something has to change or I don't
know how we get back on track. We'll open up
the volks eight five, nine, two eighth, twenty two eighty seven.
I'm gonna listen, you guys get through and say what
you have to say. A couple positive things. I do
want to know. Antonio Reeves twenty seven points in his

(11:30):
last game. He was great all season, he was great tonight.
Trey Mitchell had a great game in his last game
at UK. The older guys came through. But the reality
is we rely on freshman at a time. As Jay
Wright said just a few minutes ago, maybe you can't
do that anymore. Maybe with nil, guys are gonna stay longer,

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they're gonna be in school longer.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
Maybe you can't rely on freshman anymore.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
And if that's the case, I'm not sure if John
cal Perry's the coach, if you can't rely on freshmen,
because our freshmen weren't able to play tonight, and we
let a bunch of guys who I give them a
lot of credit, played well, but we literally let a
Division three player beat us no offense to him, but

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that's just not Kentucky basketball. Eight five, nine eighty seven.
We'll take a break, We'll take your calls. This will
be not a fun show, but probably a necessary one
here on the Local Toy Dealers KSR Postgame Show.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
It is the Local Toy Dealers KSR Postgame Show. I'm
not sure I could have picked a much worse environment
for this, because literally there are Oakland fans absolutely everywhere.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
It's surreal hearing the cheering in the background.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
I mean, what can you do?

Speaker 4 (12:55):
I go.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
There's the problem is there's no there are no places
around this arena. The only place is is this hotel,
and it happens to be the Oakland team hotel. So
unless I wanted to sit in the street where it's
like thirty seven degrees, this is where we have to
This is where we have.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
To do it.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
I do want to talk about a couple of things
Cal said. You know, Cal was said, and he's right
about this. Some of these guys didn't play like they
did most of the year, and we can. I'm glad
to talk about the individual players in this game. I
don't think it really matters a lot, because the reality
is it's the result that matters. So Reed Shepherd did
not play well. DJ Wagner did not play well. Rob

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Dillingham didn't play particularly well. But it doesn't matter, Like,
at the end of the day, you had to win
this game. I think you had to win both games
this weekend, but you had to win this game. So
I I mean, we can sit there and talk about
the guy that didn't play well, et cetera. I will
say this, this team looked tight as tight can be
the entire game. They look scared to play. There were
only three guys on the court. I did not think

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looks scared. Reeves did not, Mitchell did not, and Dillingham
didn't either. He didn't play great, but he didn't look scared.
Reed shepperd didn't want to shoot. Wagner looked scared. I mean,
they just did.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
And why that is.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I have theories, but I don't know. I'm not in
the locker room right so I don't know. But it
doesn't matter, Like it doesn't really matter why they did.
They looked scared, and it is what it is. You
gotta win these games. You are Kentucky. You have to
win and they didn't, and so ultimately that's all that matters.
It doesn't matter the specifics. So Cal says, you know,

(14:27):
I thought this team could win at all. Maybe they
could have. I doubt it, but maybe they could have.
But it doesn't matter. You didn't win, and you'd lost
the benefit of the doubt from the Saint Peter's game
two years ago.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Every program can have one of those.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Kentucky had never had one until Saint Peter's, but everybody
can have one. Duke lost to Lehigh, you know, it happens,
But to have two in three years, I'm sorry, Like
that can't continue. One person on the text machine rights, Matt,
do you think Cal's legacy will be a positive when
if he were to leave it will be for me? See,

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that's partially why I actually think a separation needs to occur,
because there's still a lot of good But if this
gets messy, if we did this again next year, you're
gonna get to the point that there'll be no positive legacy.
That's part of why I think there needs to be
a separation so we can at least leave on good terms,
because we're headed down the messiest road possible if we

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run this backs next year, we just are This year
could have been messy, but we ended up with these
great kids that we loved. But think about it, who
are we gonna have next year that we like as
much as we liked Oscar, that we liked as much
as we liked Rob or Antonio or read.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Like, How's it gonna be better? So that's why I
feel the way I do. All Right, who's up first? Billy?
All right?

Speaker 3 (15:50):
Mason first?

Speaker 5 (15:51):
Mason, go ahead, Mason, Hey, first off, God bless all
of BBN. God bless you fellas, God bless them kids
in locker room. God bless them everybody. I appreciate your
story about on the ESPN cafeteria.

Speaker 6 (16:04):
That was pretty cool.

Speaker 5 (16:05):
First and foremost, though, Dad going in, I'm tired of
the stat line of rebounds. Man, how many rebounds you
have to give up before we decide, Hey, we might
want to box out in rebound?

Speaker 2 (16:18):
They had eight rebounds in the first six they had
eight off, God bless you. They had eight offensive rebounds
in the first six minutes, and they were shooting poorly
at the beginning. And if we could have stopped those
offensive rebounds, I think we would have gotten the lead.
We might not have given up because they were cold
to begin with, but they got eight offensive rebounds in
the first six minutes and that was a huge part

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of keeping them in the game until the one dude
went crazy. And of course everybody's gonna talk about him.
He's a national hero right now. I mean, he's gonna
be the most face. And we did it again. A
dude off the bench. Doug Eddard was a dude off
the bench for Saint Peters. He's averaging like four points
a game at Bryant this year. And this dude, what
is his name, Billy Golkie or Gokie. I mean, you've

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made ten threes.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Ten ten.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Now, a couple of we're contested, but some of them
were open. He cooked Shepherd and Wagoner. They put Reeves
on even in the second half, and we slowed him down.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
A little, but they he cooked our freshmen.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
And then we did it against exactly what Doug Edart did,
and we did it. They did it again to us again.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
Who's next, Steve, Steve, what's up? Steve? Hey man, Hey guys,
what's going on?

Speaker 7 (17:34):
Hey?

Speaker 4 (17:34):
I'm just really just reliving my you know, the nineties
with the Cats and you know, just the glory days
and I'm trying to live that with my boys that
are growing up, and man, it's just not happening. It's

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you know, we We've been through so many good just
great eras with the with the Cats and trying to

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get my kids to to get get into that, and.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Fans just not well. It steaks. And I appreciate, I
appreciate the call. You're right, it stinks.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
And I've sat and watched two crowds full of Kentucky
fans walk away disappointed.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
In Nashville. It was awful. It was awful, and it
was bad here today too.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
We had the most people in the arena, you know,
we had We had a ton of folks there and
the place is almost empty now. And I had to
sit right in front of the Oakland section. I was
right in front of Oakland's fans. And here's what was
interesting to me. The Oakland fans talk trash to our
players all the whole game. The goal key guy talked

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trash the whole game, and our dudes said nothing. I
haven't seen him like that. We've been the most confident
team and we weren't tonight. Antonio Reeves donalk a lot
to begin with so like, it's not surprising to me
he didn't talk.

Speaker 1 (19:18):
But the dudes that usually talk on our team were silent.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
Whereas the if you just watched that game and you
didn't have the jerseys, if you were just talking body language,
you would have thought Oakland was Kentucky. Now we have
course have better athletes, but you would have thought Oakland
was Kentucky the way they were acting. Our guys were
tight again, and on some point that's on the coach, Like,
when your guys continue to be so tight that they

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can't play, that's on you, man, that's on you, It's
not on them. I heard his interview with what I
didn't think. I heard people say they thought he threw
the players on the bus. I didn't hear it as that,
But he said the players didn't play like they've played. Well,
you don't coach the way you coached when you started.
He doesn't like to hear that. But the things he

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says about the players are the same things the fans
are saying about him. You're not doing what you did
here for a long time. And if you can say
that about the players, then fans can say that, and
media can say that about you.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
It's not the same. It just isn't. Who's next, Jacob, Jacob,
what's up? Jacob?

Speaker 8 (20:30):
First time? Long time?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
Who are uh?

Speaker 6 (20:34):
Matt just completely frustrated. I kind of just knew it
was over when Justin Edwards missed a wide open dunk.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, it was.

Speaker 6 (20:47):
I mean, what can you say.

Speaker 2 (20:50):
That's actually when I thought the game was over to
to be honest, And they still had a couple of
chances after that, But when he missed that dunk, I
looked at the guy sitting next to me and I
was like, you know what, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I don't think it's happening. That was really the moment
for me.

Speaker 6 (21:04):
Yeah, we got when we get down by seven, you know,
I know we could score and make a good comeback,
but I just I kept telling my dad and my brother.
I said, I just don't think we can stop score,
stop score, stop scoring.

Speaker 9 (21:16):
And we never could.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
We couldn't stop them.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
I mean that was what we missed shots and I
think we could have had a better offensive game plan,
but we could not stop them and key possessions, and
it came down. I mean, lo, it was a one
point game. They had the ball, one point game. They
run the shot clocked down and we give up a
wide open corner.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
Three like we're gonna do.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
I mean, they the reality is, if we had won,
don't you agree we wouldn't have deserved it.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
They led the whole game.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
Yeah, I completely agree we would have stolen it.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
They we would have stolen it and you can't. And
then I appreciate the call. This isn't any on it.
This isn't on officials, This isn't on any We got
the better end of the calls. To be honest with you.
They missed free throws. How many free throws did they miss?

Speaker 1 (21:59):
Billy? They missed the bunch.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
I mean, they missed I don't know how many, but
they missed a bunch of free throws, like we kind
of would have stolen.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
If we won, but of course we didn't. Yeah, they
went thirteen of twenty three. They went thirteen or twenty
three from the free throw line. This could have been worse.
Who's next?

Speaker 3 (22:18):
Jack Gibbs threw his headset when Edwards missed that dunk.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
I think, I mean, how can you look? He's missed
so many laps. I feel bad for that kid man.
It's clearly in his head. He missed the layup early
in the game, and he missed that dunk. Let me
read a comment I got that I want to respond to.
A guy named Brad wrote me and says the worst
thing about UK losing tonight, the only thing worse than
UK losing tonight. He is the most powerful media personality

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in Kentucky calling for Cow's head. Cow didn't miss a
shot tonight. He didn't fail to guard the kid who
beat us. He put some talented young men in a
position to win the game. Brad, that's the biggest cop
out in the world. At the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
The coach is always responsible.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
And if you think about it, if we all look
in the mirror, many of us have held everyone responsible
except him. Oh it's Devin ask You. Oh it's Severe Wheeler.
Oh it's Kellyn Grady. Oh it's x Oh it's why.
Oh our seven footers aren't very good. Oh Oscar can't
shoot from there. I mean, just name it. At the

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end of the day, the only common denominator is the coach. Okay,
Devon ask You wasn't the perfect point guard for Kentucky.
Fair enough income, Severe Wheeler, Okay, that didn't work. We
still keep starting, not starting our best players. Different players.
We wouldn't put ty Ty Washington and Cason Wallace at

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point guard.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Why I don't know. We don't start dealing to him
and Shepherd? Why I don't know? Although they didn't Shepherd
didn't play great tonight.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
There's one common denominator, and that has to be the responsibility. Brad,
how many more years of losing to Saint Peter's and
Oak before you actually say it's the person that's in
charge you. The reason he's paid ten million dollars is
he won games that were awesome, And I used to

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say he deserves credit when Anthony Davis plays well and
John wall he's in charge.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
He brought him here. But then when we fail, he
deserves the blame the same way he used to deserve
the credit. Who's next?

Speaker 3 (24:27):
Rex?

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Rex? What's up? Rex?

Speaker 10 (24:30):
How's it go on?

Speaker 8 (24:31):
Mat?

Speaker 10 (24:32):
I just wanted to first off say that I have
been obviously with Kyle Perry from the from the time
that he addressed us at bidlu Mannus many years ago,
through the Championships, the elite as the great teams, the curses,
whatever it may be, we all know, let's face it,

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I've been a support with him throughout this entire season,
but after this game, we all have to conclude that
the dynamic of the entire program has changed. How can
a Division two athlete, as you said, come on, come
into an NCAA tournament game and beat our historic franchise
are one of the I mean, Charles Barkley said it

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best before the game. He said that we have we all,
if not the most historic basketball program in the country,
and that Caliperi, I mean, he has not made any
sort of change this dynamic. His personality has way, he
addressed everybody, and everything in between has gone downhill ever

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since you name it Wisconsin twenty fifteen, whatever it may be,
but we all know it's it's changed. And if you can,
if anybody can sit here and say that he has
a right to stay here, especially after this lass and
a guy who came in and made ten three point
shots against us and beats us out of the tournament

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after a great season with great players that we all love. Man,
I don't know how you can support the motives are
anything right now? I hope that all fits well the BB.

Speaker 11 (26:17):
Well.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
I appreciate the call. I mean, I can't say I
disagree with you. Bottom line all year he looked at
us and said, we're built for March. He deflected every
criticism in every game with we're built for March. And
I have done my best this year to try to
not get into the tit for tat stuff with cal

(26:39):
when it comes to the comments and the shots he
takes at fans and media, et cetera. But what he
said about every mistake or every bad situation not fouling
up three or go through the game. So we're built
for March, Well you're ozing to in the March that matters.
There's no excuse, there's no excuse.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
It's just not And I I don't know, I don't know.
I don't I don't know how you can continue down
this path. Who's next?

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Jason?

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Jason? Go ahead?

Speaker 11 (27:10):
Jason, Hey, Matt, first time, long time, maybe last time?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
What? Well? Yes, go ahead?

Speaker 11 (27:20):
Uh man, I most people hit all the points I
wanted to say, but I mean it just you just
get there's only so many times you can get a
punch to the face and not be like something's got
to change.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
You know.

Speaker 11 (27:36):
He's the one that puts the team together, he's the
one that's supposed to get him prepared and they just
come out, they play timid, and this will keep on
happening as long as you get freshmen that come in
and their first big game is the NCAA Tournament.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Well, I mean that's a big that's a bigger conversation right, Like,
that's a bigger conversation about how do you you know,
do you continue you doing it with.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Freshmen? Right? Like, that's a bigger conversation. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Jay Wright had a really interesting comment tonight about that,
basically like, we can't, we can't continue. You can't continue
to do it with freshmen because guys are going to
stay in college longer. I've always been in a thought
that you could, But nights like tonight, I'll be honest
with you, do shake my confidence in it. Because it
was our freshmen who weren't ready. Our fifthier seniors were ready,

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it was our freshmen.

Speaker 11 (28:33):
Well, I mean, if I heard it right, that dude
that hit the ten threes is like twenty four exactly.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
But he's twenty four, but he's still playing like if
he as long as he's allowed to play, which I
don't see why.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
He shouldn't, Like, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 2 (28:46):
You have to be able to match up with it,
and that dude played like an adult, and our guys
were scared, like they were timid, they.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Just were.

Speaker 11 (28:55):
Yeah. Cal always said he take talent over experience.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
But when you're and.

Speaker 11 (28:59):
That was one like two, you were out of college.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
But yeah, but I wonder if that's true anymore. And
I appreciate the call.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I wonder if you can still do that when guys
are now going to stay longer. I mean, look at
the best players in college.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Basketball this year. Who are they?

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Zach Edi, Dal't connect, Antonio Reeves, you know, the kid
at Houston. They're all seniors, they're all old. Maybe that's
what you have to do now again, and you got
to adjust like it's It's very telling to me that
Antonio Reeves and Trede Mitchell were our two dudes.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
Very telling. Who's next, Nathan, Nathan, go ahead, Nathan.

Speaker 12 (29:40):
Hey, Matt So yeah, I echo a lot of the
points to other people have been making. I just saw
a tweet from Sean Vinzel that when the three R's
were in today and twenty nine possessions, we outscored them,
and then without all three of them and the forty possessions,
we ended up losing in the aggregate, and I just

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we have a situation where the coach in the fan
base is so toxic that it's so it's plausible to
me that he actively doesn't adapt to the situation to.

Speaker 11 (30:11):
Leading into the three RS and any lineup team.

Speaker 12 (30:15):
I think that he can feels the heat of like
that's what the fans or the media are talking about.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
And I just no, I think he wants to win.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
I definitely think cal Perry wants to win, but he
wants to win his way, right Like that's the most
important thing. He wants to win his way doing what
he wants, no matter what anyone else says. I'm looking
at the stat you're saying right now. So with Reid,
Robin Reeves in and let me know this is with
Reid and rob not really playing that grade, they scored

(30:49):
thirty seven points in twenty nine possessions without those three
in together, So every other possession they scored thirty nine
in forty possessions, they had a they were they beat
Oakland when they were in, they were down seven when
they were out. There's the game, right Like, isn't that

(31:09):
the whole year right there?

Speaker 12 (31:12):
And it's just like I think, you know, most successful
people have giant egos and are super stubborn, but I
think his at such a level right now and sort
of against the fan base that he convinces himself that
leaning into like the three RS or the Benni lineups,
and like it's he convinces himself that, like he doesn't
want to adjust to those and then so now we
have a situation where he's actively kind of going against

(31:34):
the fan base, and then I think he's just gonna
stick around another few years, you know, based on that
ego and that stubbornness, And it's just I don't want
to see his legacy like, like like you mentioned earlier,
tarnished completely by how this is going to end up,
because he did amazing things here, but it's just it's
just sad all around. I have no excitement or hype
for next year, which is I think the first offseason

(31:55):
I can think of ever feeling that way in his area.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
I kind of agree with you on that. That's that's
that is to me. The thing that is the most suppressing,
to be honest with you, is it's.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Hard to fit.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
It's hard to see where the excitement comes from. Uh,
for next year, Who's next?

Speaker 3 (32:14):
Brent is next?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Eight five, nine eighty seven. Brent, go ahead, Hey.

Speaker 13 (32:21):
Guys, good to talk to you again. A couple of comments, Uh,
we just looked completely surprised by the zone. I'm not
sure what we were doing. We looked surprised by the
dude who only shoots threes. Drew called it on Your
Collins Show earlier this week. We look terrified and read
passed the ball as soon as he touched it. And

(32:41):
what breaks my heart is, I feel like we're losing
the younger generations.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
You think that's right, though, I mean, I get the
sense people are still as into it as ever.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
I mean I I mean.

Speaker 11 (32:55):
I've got I've got two.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
I've got two.

Speaker 13 (32:56):
High school boys and they are just like demoralized in March.
I came from the Mashburn generation, the Antoine Walker generation,
the generation that suffered through Billy Gillespie and experience the
Kentucky effect, the gold standard and now built for March.
And now my sons are saying, man, I don't know
if I can do this anymore. And I, ultimately, Matt
want to blame Skyler Davis for playing a wedding during

(33:18):
a possible second round matchup, and I think he put
a curse on the Kentucky podcast. So I want to
hang up and I'll listen.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
All right, I appreciate that call. Eight nine twenty two
eighty seven. Let's take a break. When we come back,
we will, you know, we'll take more of it. The
bottom line, I think all year, if he just played
the best players, maybe we're not sitting here with the loss.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Play the best players.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
You know what they never did once tonight was go
small on a team that had no no size. Our
seven footers really were not able to do a lot.
Why didn't we ever go small?

Speaker 1 (33:57):
The whole game got any worse. We'll take a break.
Be right back. It's the Local Toy Dealers KSR post
game Show.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Welcome back, and it's the Local Toy Dealers KSR post
game Show. You've heard enough from me. Let's get back
the phones. Eight five nine, eight twenty two eighty seven.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Who's up next, Bobby? Bobby? Go ahead, Bobby?

Speaker 11 (34:23):
First time?

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Long time? Who are what's up?

Speaker 11 (34:26):
I just want to say BTI sucks. But you know
what's the most sad thing is I woke up on
Thursday of the NCAA tournament half expected us to lose.
And you know, of course we did.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
You know, Drew, We're gonna lose all day. It was
crazy Drew all day. Drew has probably looked at me.
He looked at me like five times before the game
and was like, we're not gonna lose today, are we?
And I kept thinking, come on, man, like what? But
he's never liked that either, and he was like that today.

Speaker 11 (35:00):
Yeah, you know, I mean I didn't expect it to happen,
but I did. And of course it's just Sam, you know,
it's not who we are. It's not what we should be.
Hashtag Billy was better higher Billy G.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
I don't think Billy was better, but I appreciate the call.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
I yeah, remember when we I mean, we used to
take these games for granted, right, Like I mean, you
just assume, well, the first round game will be fun.
I mean, Tennessee beat Saint Peter's by like thirty today.
You know, let's not I mean, let's just quickly do
a gander around college basketball. Let's go look at the
top seats. Kansas, who's without their leading scorer, is up

(35:42):
thirteen on Sanford. Creighton three seed beats Akron by seventeen
Arizona beats Long Beach State by twenty, North Carolina beats
Wagner by twenty eight, Illinois beats Morehead by sixteen, Iowa
State beat South Dakota State by seventeen, beats McNee State
by twenty one, and Tennessee beats Saint Peter's by thirty six.

(36:08):
That was the other top seeds. Not only were the
only one that lost, we're the only one where the
game is close, We're the only one that the game
is even close, and we lost. I don't know what
it'll be like tomorrow, but that's pretty disappointing. Who's next, Kevin, Kevin,
go ahead, Kevin.

Speaker 14 (36:31):
Yeah, Matt So the first time in my life, Kentucky
basketball is all I've ever known. For the first time
in my life, tonight, I did not watch an nca
tournament game because I did not want to deal with
what might happen.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
And I think he.

Speaker 14 (36:45):
Should be given the opportunity to step down, and if
he doesn't, he should be let go thirty million whatever.
But he has a staff that is not very good.
John Welch was a fantastic higher but what else do
the people do on that staff besides recruit and I
have no idea what Bruiser Flynn does. And I'm sure
you know the actual story with John Robick, who was

(37:07):
loyal to Cal for how long. I know you probably
know the real story of what happened. But it's time
for a change, man, and I can't. I can't do
this anymore with with Kentucky basketball. I mean, my family's
known it, My kids have known. It's it's all we've
ever known. So it's it's just it's time for a change.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Well, I appreciate the call, you know. I sort of wonder,
like all year, if you if I were just look
at social media, you know, I mean, I mean, the
the fan base was to some extent divided. He doesn't.
I mean, I don't see that as much now. I
think it's kind of universal. It was interesting listening to Cal.

(37:45):
Part of me wonders if Cal even gets how down
the fan bass is I think he I genuinely, Look,
I'm not gonna claim to know Cal the last three
or four years. I really I really haven't known him
since really since COVID. I mean, when Dwayne, when Dwayne left,

(38:07):
you know, I mean, if I'm being real, Dwayne was
my connection to Cal and through Dwayne, I got to
know Cal pretty well, and so from twenty ten, Dwayne
peve being Dwayne. From twenty ten to twenty nineteen, I
talked to Cal all the time, and I think I
knew him pretty well. Then Dwayne left that twenty nineteen
twenty twenty year, I just didn't communicate with him much,

(38:29):
but the relationship was fine. I justn't never talked to
him because Dayne wasn't here. And then when I was
critical during that COVID year, I mean he I was
told by people who know him that he was upset.
He was especially upset I think the day after we
lost in the SEC Tournament to Mississippi State, when we
said that we thought he needed to make major changes.

(38:49):
And then we really haven't had a relationship since then.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
What I think was.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
Always good for Cal during those early years was he
had people who could push back on him. Everybody needs
to have somebody to say, hey, man, maybe don't do
that right. Like Drew's that guy for me when it
comes to KSR stuff. Drew can say things to me
that nobody else can because I've known him for so long,
So I'll listen to him. I mean, I'll listen to
Ryan too, but Drew will do it. Drew will say, Man,

(39:16):
don't do that. And I know that if Drew says that,
I should listen to it, because he doesn't say it
very often.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Well, Cal had those guys and they're all gone now
nobody pushes back on him.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
So I've had some conversations in recent months with folks
who are close to him who were like, Matt, we
really need to rebuild this relationship, and I always say
I'd love to, right. But what I've learned in talking
to them, they understand the situation, but Cal doesn't. He
does not understand how the fans feel. I think he

(39:53):
genuinely believes that it's like my fault or it's other people.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
No, I'm not kidding you. I think he genuinely believes
that the media is out to get him. He says
it all the time.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
He says all the time, like there's people saying out
there to get people to critics. I don't think he
realizes that a lot of the fans are much angrier
than I am. I don't think he. I don't think
he gets that. And I think it's because over the
years he's had these people who were very connected to
the fans who he would listen to, Dwayne Robic, Eric Lindsay, TJ. Bisner,

(40:29):
they're all gone now. And I think some of these
other guys they love him so much, like they won't
say anything, and so I don't think he realizes what
this fan base feels.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
And I felt like that when I heard him talk tonight.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
I mean, I know he knows we're disappointed, but he's
like talking about how you know, we still help change
family's lives, and like, that's great, but that's not what
we want to hear tonight, Billy, You know what I mean.

Speaker 15 (40:55):
We lost to Oakland, but the way that he puffs
his chest out, and you know, Tea after a win,
you don't think he listens to listen.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
I hate that.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
I have literally tried not to talk about, but every
time we win, he puffs his chest out like see
see see I hate that. But you know what I've
been like, Look, man, it's all about March. You know,
when he would puff his chest out of after wins,
I think to myself, it's all about March. The only

(41:24):
thing that's gonna matters March anyway. Well, March has now happened.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Who's next, Fred, Fred, go ahead, Fred?

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Now he hung up? Okay, go to Brandon.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
All right, Brandon, go ahead, Brandon.

Speaker 8 (41:39):
Hey Mann, first time, long time?

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Who what what's up?

Speaker 11 (41:45):
I'll try to keep it short and sweet the best
I can. I just have a few things to say
and then I'll hang it up. I'm pretty pretty down,
like the most of us, but you know, I want
to appreciate what Klen has done for us. I think
we all are very appre should have. But Kentucky Basketball,
we don't live off of what you did for us.

(42:07):
You know in twenty twelve and fifteen, this has gotten tired.
Matt and I haven't never called for this to happen.
But John Calaperry, your time is up at Kentucky.

Speaker 2 (42:22):
Thank you, appreciate the call. Who's next, Michael, Michael? Go ahead, Michael?

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Hey, what's up? Matt? Hell you Den, Bud?

Speaker 16 (42:32):
Thanks for having me on. Actually got our buddy brought
next to me. We're I'm gonna be flat out honest, man.
We were angry. There's people I know, everybody's.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Getting on here.

Speaker 16 (42:43):
They're you know, upset, We're we're flat out just angry.
How watching this game? We're excited, We're pumped up for
this team. This team we love, the fans, love the players.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
I mean with Read out there dealing hand and Reeves,
i mean Reeves.

Speaker 8 (43:05):
Reeves.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
Yeah, Reeves came back this year. You know they wanted
him back.

Speaker 16 (43:10):
And to sit and watch Mitchell and Reeves really go
off in this game, I was becoming frustrated because I'm
looking at the bench and I'm like, the bench has
got to get into this too. You've got to root
for these players out there. They're tents just like you said.
And then once that final tick hits, I'm just sitting
here in awe. I mean we're sitting here. I mean,

(43:31):
Brock's looking at me. I'm looking at him. He's he's
sick this stomach. I'm sick to my stomach. We can't
believe that everything that coach cal has set and said
over and over with the march, the march, the march,
blah blah blah, and then you sit and watch the
team that you're like, their final four potential, it's done,

(43:51):
and then we're both sitting here like.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
He's got to go.

Speaker 16 (43:54):
It's the first thing that comes in when you know,
we had a friend that sat and texts me he
said thirteenth and win percentage.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
In the past five.

Speaker 17 (44:02):
Years of SEC tournament, only fourteen teams in the SEC
one win in the SEC tournament in five years, and
the same with the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 16 (44:14):
Can't win a Champion Classic game with seven?

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Yeah, well, I mean put it like this, last four
NCAA tournaments. Let's put it like this, last four NCAA tournaments.
Guess who has the same number of wins in the
NCAA Tournament as Kentucky In the last four NCAA tournaments,
Oakland and Saint Peter's, They've won exactly as many games
as we have, and they've beaten higher seeded teams and
we beat to do it.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I mean, I mean, look ridiculous. We have to stop
acting like this stuff is normal.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
I just read you all the other one, two, three,
and four seeds that played today, and every single one
of them won by at least fifteen and we lost,
right right, And so people talk about parody and and
parody is good. And this is not to be disrespectful
to that dude, because I give that guy credit. Goalkey,
he had the game of his life and he will

(45:04):
be a hero and he deserves it.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
And it's an amazing story.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
I mean, the kid would played in a Division three
school and found his way, But we let.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
A dude from a Division three school beat us. Yeah,
and me, it's crazy, that's crazy.

Speaker 16 (45:20):
We we set and we sat and watched this uh
at the CBS Sports when Charles Barkley was just talking,
he said, you've got all Americans on your team. You're
talking about Kansas, You and C Duke Kentucky. We are
top teams. There is no reason in the world we
should go in and let a Horizon team show us
up like it. And it's no point. There's no point

(45:41):
in digging at these players. They played good Oakland did,
but when.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
You haven't, I don't blame no.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Let me tell you, I don't blame the players, and
let me and I appreciate that. I don't blame the players.
And here's why I don't blame the players, because they
haven't been the same players all four years we've been
We've been blaming players for four years. I now actually
feel kind of sorry for some of these dudes that
were here the last few years.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
I sit there and.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Think about like BJ Boston, who everybody was so down on. Well,
Bj Boston's in the NBA. BJ Boston's playing minutes for
the Clippers. So why wasn't he good here?

Speaker 1 (46:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
Maybe it wasn't BJ Boston, right, Kellen Grady that you know,
Davey A.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Mintz.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Those guys played good at other schools. They were good
for a while here. I mean, Oscar is on the
All Star team in the G League right now. You know,
Cason Wallace plays playoff minutes for the number one seed
in the in the in the West, in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
Ty tyle score forty a game in a G League game, Like, we're.

Speaker 2 (46:45):
Blaming all these other dudes, but there's one common denominator.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
So Reid didn't play well.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
But if this is ree Jepper's last game at Kentucky,
I'm not gonna feel bad about him.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
He was great when he was here. Same with Rob Dillingham.

Speaker 2 (46:57):
Rob Dillingham was great when I'm certainly not gonna be
mad at Antonio Reeves, who improved as much as any
player I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Here, am Bradshaw's number one overall player in America. Why
didn't play well here? Well?

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Maybe it's not him totally right, I mean, there's other
guys this has happened to at some point, there's only
one common denominator. We've had four seasons of this. No
players played all four of them. So that's why I
don't I'm not putting it on the players. I think
there's a couple of guys that me and too Clute
had probably put too much on them.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
You know, it might not be that. Who's next?

Speaker 3 (47:35):
Felt bad for DJ Wagner too man.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
He Dj Wagner Man, I feel bad for him.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
He was he was nervous.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I mean, there's a reason these guys, there's a reason
these guys are coming in these games nervous, and they
and and you know what that is.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
I'm not in the locker room, so I don't know,
but they are.

Speaker 15 (47:52):
It's a trickle down effect. I'll tell you right now.
It's Chase, Chase.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Chase, go ahead, Chase.

Speaker 5 (47:57):
Hey Man, hey Man.

Speaker 18 (47:59):
I just want to appreciate you have me on. I
just wanted to say I've been one of the longtime
CAL supporters and I appreciate all he's done for the program.
But I think tonight might have been the last draw
for me. I've lived in Kentucky my whole life, and
Lexington now for going on eleven years. My love for
UK sports is a huge reason of what's kept me
here in Lexington Action all these years. They just wanted

(48:19):
to be close to the program. But it's just getting
sickening to keep getting humiliated like this. It's one of
the biggest things our state has going for us nationally.
Now we don't even have Kentucky basketball to hang our
hats on on a national landscape. It's just it's not
what it should be, and it's extremely embarrassing to continue
getting put in this position. Our state just doesn't have

(48:42):
a whole lot to hang its hat on nationally, sadly,
but at Kentucky basketball is one of the main things
we have to be proud of. Just tough to be
consistently upset about the results of a bunch of eighteen
nineteen year old and a basketball court, and I just
don't know where we go from here before it really
starts mattering to the people of this state and the

(49:03):
level that you know it matters to all of us,
the level that it all matters to us currently.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
I agree with you. I agree with you, I appreciate
the call.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Let me give you two stats that I just saw
that are mind blowing versus from Corey Price in the
last one hundred and twenty five games at their university.
Let me read you the winning percentages. Rick Patino one
hundred and ten and fifteen eight offer up one hundred
and four and twenty two, Joe B. Hall ninety two
and thirty four, Tubby Smith ninety one and thirty five,

(49:33):
Eddie Sutton eighty seven and thirty nine, John cal Perry
eighty and forty six. Worst winning percentage of any coach
besides Billy Gillespie and UK history in their last one
hundred and twenty five games. Now, let me give you
one that's gonna blow your mind. Guess how many we've
just talked about, last five SEC tournaments? How many victories?

Speaker 1 (49:55):
One?

Speaker 2 (49:56):
Guess who else has one SEC tournament or excuse me,
one conference tournament win in their last four tournaments, Louisville.
How many NCAA tournament wins do we have in the
last four years?

Speaker 1 (50:08):
One? Guess who also has one win in the NCAA
tournament in the last four years, Louisville. Louisville.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Now, granted, their regular seasons have been much worse, but
when it comes to March, which is what it is.
What can you say? Eight, I'm nine twenty two eighty seven.
We'll take a break, We'll come back for the final segment.
This is the Local Toy Dealers KSR postgame Show.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
It is the Local Toy Dealers KSR postgame Show. Right now,
it's three hours since the game was played. We are Kentucky, Caliperry.
They're the number one, two and three trends in the country.
There's a lot of people nationally saying that Kentucky. Mark Titus,
who used to you know it was on the ringer,

(51:10):
Now he's on barstool says Kentucky cannot let cal coach
another game for them and still be considered a serious program.
Now that's a strong statement, but he's not the only
one that. Matt Orlanders said, I don't know if if
he can coach again. John Rostein said, I don't know
if he'll can do You know, this is just, uh,
it's just what it is, you know.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
So tomorrow's gonna be brutal.

Speaker 2 (51:33):
By the way, all those shows, like all those talking
head shows, it's all gonna be about us.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
I mean everybody.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
I hope everybody realizes, like we're the butt of the
joke tomorrow. Now, when they get to the weekend, they'll
probably have other stories. But we are the national conversation tomorrow,
and it ain't gonna be positive.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
You know. I think Cal always used to say, we
don't move the needle, we are the needle.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Well, the needle's gonna be scratching the record tomorrow because
it's about us. I mean, that's just how it's gonna be.
What's next? Rinder, Ridder, go ahead, Ridder?

Speaker 19 (52:04):
Hey lord, dogg, glad I could talk to you this
lovely Friday morning. At this point, I think the Dallas
Cowboys need to like cut dash Dak Prescott tonight so
we won't.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Be on every night to head down that way. So
but yeah, just a couple of things.

Speaker 19 (52:18):
Is like one thing, I know, it's about this game,
and even with the postgame show, like there's just like
a sense of apathy, like I love or listen in
think there'd be fireworks, like people will be mad, and
even tonight, like normally a postseason game, I'm pacing around
like I did get off the couch one time. And
I don't know if that's just kind of I was
expecting it or what we're used to, but I don't know.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
You say that.

Speaker 2 (52:39):
It's interesting you say that because and I'll let you.
I want you to finish that thought.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
But let me. I'll just talk about my own personal self. Okay.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
You know, if you've listened the show over the years,
like I usually can't stay in the arena during games
like go back. It's been hard for me to stay
in the arena in a game since the twenty twelve
Final four against Louisville.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
That's the last time like I.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
Left the arena of that game, and I've gone I've
left the arena most.

Speaker 1 (53:04):
Postseason games since. Here's what's interesting.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I sat there the whole time tonight and I never
thought about leaving. And I don't want to call it apathy,
because I wanted us to win, Believe me. I mean,
Drew and I were like sitting next to each other,
like holding each other back every time reason with you
to three, trying to not cheer on press row. But
it was almost like I kind of expected it, almost

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like like normally in a game like this, I would
have been so nervous I would have left, but for
some reason, I sat there. And I don't think it's apathy,
but I think there was just something like I guess
I was almost resigned to it before it even happened,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 19 (53:45):
No, I agree, That's what I was curious because I said,
I didn't know you had a shower if you ran
out of the or what.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
But no, Joe state.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I sat there the whole game, which I haven't done
for a tournament game in a long time. Actually, I
think the last one I did was uh like the
Tony Brook or something, and many years ago. It's been
a while.

Speaker 19 (54:03):
But yeah, my question is and I think I think
the biggest thing. We could talk about rotations, players, schemes
or whatever, but like the elephant in the room is
this buyout. If this buyout was zero dollars, it wouldn't
be like a mutual leaving.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Everyone would say he needs to be fired.

Speaker 19 (54:19):
So my thing is is, well, I think next year,
if we hang on to him, it goes from thirty
two million to twenty five million.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
That's still a lot of money. I mean, how often,
how long?

Speaker 2 (54:29):
I don't know how well that was what I was
saying at the beginning. I don't know how a separation
takes place logistically. I think this is I'll talk more
about this tomorrow. But I think this is why we're
in an untenable place. I think it costs too much
money to buy him out. I think he is stubborn
and will not want to leave without taking every dollar.

(54:54):
And so I don't know what you do. I don't
think we have the money to buy him out, and
I don't think he wants to leave. But I think
everybody is gonna be like, this can't go on. So
I don't know what happens. I don't know. I mean,
I really don't like people. As I was walking out
of the Reda, that's all anybody said, is like what
I don't know? But I don't but it can't stay

(55:16):
like this again. It's one of those things. It's like
you're in a relationship, you have three kids, they're all young,
and you're like, what do we do we have? We
have this, we have a mortgage on the house, we
can't pay off each other, Like what are we gonna do?
But we know we can't live together. And there's a
little part of that right here there, just is.

Speaker 19 (55:35):
And said my last comment is like at the time,
maybe that was a good deal. And that was the
thing that Barnart had to do. But here it is,
this is what he's in and part of Cow's jobs
to win games, and part of Barnard's job is again,
this can't go on. He has to find this money.
And like if he can beg him and say to leave,
take a biot.

Speaker 1 (55:56):
Yeah, I don't know what's gonna happen.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
I think that's a conversation probably for next week or tomorrow,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Yeah, I appreciate it.

Speaker 7 (56:03):
Call.

Speaker 2 (56:03):
I don't think there's an easy answer to this question.
I think everybody just says firing, where you're gonna get
thirty three million dollars? I mean, where's that gonna happen?
And the idea is that there's one or two donors
that will write the check. I'd like to know who
those people are, because I know some of those people,
and I don't think they're gonna be eager to do it.
I mean, let me just just put yourself, Billy, in

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the position of a really rich donor, right, and let's say,
hypothetically your relationship with cal has soured.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Are you eager to write that person a check?

Speaker 7 (56:37):
No?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Are you eager to write a person who's relationship you're not?
You don't have a good relationship with Now are you
eager to write them a check?

Speaker 10 (56:46):
Like?

Speaker 2 (56:46):
That's a hard thing to do. I mean, I you know,
Plus I don't care how much. People who get really rich,
they don't do it by being stupid and so like
given people giving people, Well, just writing checks for losing
is not an easy thing to do. Now, some people
do it. They did it at Texas A and M.

(57:07):
But you know, I don't think it's simple. Listen, Texas
A and M was able to buy that guy out
because two dudes did it. But what if those two
dudes had decided not to do it. Look, you're talking
about the decision. You're really probably talking about the decisions
of one or two people.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
You know, It's not like it's not easy. Who's next, Robert, Robert?
What's up? Robert?

Speaker 9 (57:32):
Hey, Matt, thanks for taking my call. Look, I've been
to Kentucky fan my whole life, and I graduated from
Kentucky soub believing I've been through, you know, all the
ups and downs that we've had. I have really two
brief points. First, you were discussing earlier kind of some
previous players that maybe underperformed or were kind of held
back Kentucky, Like you know BJ Bosston for example, who's

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now an NBA. You know two other names I was
thinking that came to mind as Charles and Matthews didn't
really perform lot yeah missions, yeah, yeah, that was my
second name. Had a great career at UCLA.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
We'll think about this. Antonio Reeves is just like those guys.
It's just he stayed right like like, yeah, last year,
Antonio Reeves did not play until he didn't have a
choice but to play, and then he started playing him
He goes for thirty seven in Arkansas and he and
you know, people who know Antonio's situation know, you know,
there was a period of time where he didn't look

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like he was gonna come back.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Thankfully he did. If if he didn't, I don't know
what we would have done this year, but go ahead.

Speaker 9 (58:39):
I think the same thing with like Reid and rob
this year. You know they didn't start and you can
look and say, like, oh, we could have done a
lot of different things. It's like, do you look at
them the same way if say they go to the
NBA and be great Like Dewey, wasn't an issue with
the coaching, with the relationships, who knows and briefly second point,
You know, I think the main underlying issue all season

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was our defense and rebounding. You know, pretty obvious. Do
these young guys that come in do they just get
used to this au stylid ball where they don't really well?

Speaker 2 (59:10):
I just think we had bad defense. We didn't have
a rim protector at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Yeah, we didn't have a rim protector.

Speaker 7 (59:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (59:18):
They're all skinny, they're not strong. They're getting bullied in
the paint. I mean, you can't win.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
When you But some of it is also scheme, and
I appreciate the call. Some of it scheme.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
You have a team full of guys that shoot threes,
you got you cannot give them threes. You cannot. You've
got to make them. I wish they had made it
to win. I mean, the best defense we played was
Reeves got put on the the what's this I keep
forgetting his name?

Speaker 1 (59:42):
The dude with the hit the threes, the go gol
or whatever, Yeah, go gol.

Speaker 2 (59:48):
So Reeves he had made seven Gokie, he had made seven,
and cal switched and put Reeves on him for the
first time because it had been Shepherd in Dillingham and
Wagner most of the game. He put Reeves on him
and he only had three after that, and one of
them was a shot that you have to just shake
his head. It was an amazing shot. But if you
notice at the end he missed a lot because Reeves

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actually played him better. I don't understand how from moment
one we were like that dude ain't shooting threes because
the other guy, their star player, actually didn't have a
great night, the Townsend or the guy that was a
Horizon Player of the Year, he didn't play all that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
I don't know what he finished with.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
I think he got some points down the streets with
free throw seventeen, but he at one point had like
eight in the second half. Make somebody else beat you.
I just ten threes, the old time record Billy's eleven.
He was one short.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
He did shoot a lot. Who's next, Dar, Dar, go ahead, Dar.

Speaker 8 (01:00:49):
That's up man.

Speaker 20 (01:00:50):
Uh So I know when we when we were in school,
it was like a given that we made the Sweet sixteen,
and now it's you know, not assumed at all. So
my question, I have a two part question. One is
as a small business owner, as yourself, how upset do
you get at the money that Calipari costs you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:12):
And I don't look at it like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
I mean, I don't look at it like that like
I even though I mean, look financially, us losing in
these first rounds is a is.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
A brutal blow, especially to the bar huge. I mean,
it's brutal.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
But at the end of the day, that's not what
I'm thinking of when we lose, because.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
What matters.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
I mean, I'm just tom I'm a fan first. People
can believe that or not, but you just have to.
I mean, I can't stay in the arena during these games.
And I was like this before I owned anything. I mean,
I used to remember I started doing this as a
blog when I was as part for fun, Like I
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
But does it have an effect?

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Of course it's it has a huge effect, and it's
gonna have an effect on this fan base.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Just think about this.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Think if we had gone to the final four, if
these guys did autograph tours, think about how much.

Speaker 1 (01:02:04):
Think about that. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
I'm not saying they can't still do it, but like,
think about what would have happened if Rob Dillingham and
Reed Sheppard and Antonio Reeves did an autograph tour around
the state and we were in the final four.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Like it's a it is.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
It is a massive impact on the state, on the economy,
like it just is right.

Speaker 20 (01:02:26):
So so my question is is do you think Calibari
should for as much money as he makes?

Speaker 9 (01:02:32):
Should he do anything about that to make up for that?

Speaker 20 (01:02:35):
And then my question is is I think the best
coach we've ever had, And a lot of people would
agree with Patino and with all the talkies had, do
you think there's any chance he is zero zero?

Speaker 13 (01:02:48):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
I appreciate the call that that that won't ever long summer,
that's that's never gonna happen. Let's do uh, let's do
six more because I want to go a little long
since everybody has a chance to talk, and Drew still
not here yet for us to go home.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
So let's do six more. Who's next? Dan?

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
Dan?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
What's up? Dan?

Speaker 7 (01:03:06):
Hey?

Speaker 10 (01:03:06):
How you doing, Matt?

Speaker 9 (01:03:07):
Thanks for taking the call?

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Doing good?

Speaker 21 (01:03:10):
Hey, it's really time for John Caliperry to hang up
his hat at the University of Kentucky. You know, I
was ten years old when Cali Perry came over to
Kentucky in April two thousand and nine. And you know
what an incredible time to be a part of the
Kentucky basketball program. Just incredible energy with the media and everything.
And you know, Cali Perry had a great national championship

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in twenty twelve. I can remember when fans were burning
couches and cars and the street in State Street in Lexington.
But you know, that was really the last great season
I think Kentucky had Kentucky had in its basketball history,
and we're not going to be getting another twenty twelve
season again, if we're honest under Caliperry. I've been saying

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for the last five years that Cali Perry needs to
leave the program and find a position in the NBA.
He's put about forty five players so far, I think
in the NBA, and I think that's a that's a
great place for him to go after that. And you ask,
you know, where's he gonna get the thirty three million dollars, Well,
maybe like an LA Lakers or an LA clip I mean, listen,

(01:04:18):
let's be real.

Speaker 2 (01:04:19):
The NBA doesn't I mean, with respect, and I appreciate
the call. If the NBA wanted cal he'd already have gone.
I mean, let's let's be honest, the NBA wanted cal
he'd already gone. It's the only thing he hasn't succeeded
at was the NBA. If they had wanted him, he'd
be in the NBA right now. The only time he

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came close to going was with the Cleveland Calves back
in twenty fifteen, right for the twenty fifteen season. I
think he I think he was offered that job. I
think he was close to going. He decided to stay.
That's not gonna happen now, or I mean, I say,
I maybe it would, but I think it's unlikely. Again,
this man, you think he's going to walk away from
thirty three million dollars just like like it's nothing. Plus

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the NBA again, respectfully, look at the style of basketball
we've played up to this year. It's the exact opposite
of what they do in the NBA. I mean, we've
played more of an NBA style this year, But like
the NBA, space is the floor plays guys who can shoot,
has versatile bigs who can step outside and.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
Handle the ball. That's not how we play. So like,
the NBA is not gonna want that. Who's next?

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
They also adjust their game plan in the NBA. And
I don't think I've ever seen Cal do that in midgame.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Well he didn't tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
I don't think what's next, Matt, Matt, although we did
run maybe the best out of bounds play I've ever
seen his run to cut it to three right at
the end.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Again, but that was a really good play. Too little,
too late, But Matt, it's gone.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
We go to Johnny.

Speaker 1 (01:05:47):
All right, we'll still have five more. Johnny go ahead.

Speaker 22 (01:05:51):
Hey guys, yeah, I think I must be a profit
or something. It was right before the season started. Honestly,
I didn't know much about the team. I went on
to like a message board. I don't usually do that,
and uh, and I said, look, you know, I don't
know the team. But the pattern is this.

Speaker 10 (01:06:07):
We have double digit losses.

Speaker 22 (01:06:09):
We win some, we lose some. We lose all the
big Marquee games or most of them. Uh, we don't
win the Sea.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
I hate to cut you off. I hate to cut
you off. I'll let you finish. But the guy that
hit all the threes just walked into the hotel.

Speaker 3 (01:06:21):
Oh, now, what are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
The coach and the guy who just hit all the
threes just walked in over there. All right, I'm sorry,
go ahead, sir.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
It's so good.

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Uh.

Speaker 22 (01:06:32):
But yeah, you know we're gonna We're not gonna win
the SEC regular Season Championship or the tournament.

Speaker 8 (01:06:38):
Uh.

Speaker 22 (01:06:38):
And frankly, if we make it out of the first
weekend in the n C douable A, you know, the
real tournament. According to Cal, we're lucky if we even
win a game. And man, people blasted me, called me
all kinds of crap. You know, I went to the
UK undergrad gradam from Orangeboro. You know, grew up watching
Rex playball. I mean, I bleed blue. Uh. And I
live here, and I live in Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

(01:06:59):
I'm stuck between Tar Hills and Blue Devils. And now
I got to put up with this.

Speaker 5 (01:07:03):
But I got to tell you.

Speaker 22 (01:07:04):
I mean, I love Cal. He's done good things for us.
He brought us out of the Gillispi Eira. But definitely
his time has come. And I really think that, you know,
maybe if a little soul searching, if he'll think about
it and they can come to some type of bayout.
If he really cares about Kentucky, he really cares about
our fan base and everything, like he says he does,
he'll he'll, he'll walk away. He'll do the honorable thing
and walk away, but not without a big pay at

(01:07:26):
And I don't know who does that, frankly, the athletics administration.
If they were stupid enough to sign a lifetime contract
with him or anybody else, well, then the stupid enough
to pay it out. So somebody's got to listen.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
I appreciate the call. I appreciate the call.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
There was Uh, Kyle Tucker did ask Mitch Barnhardt for
a for a comment and he.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Refused to be interviewed after the game.

Speaker 2 (01:07:48):
That's let me just say, that's not a good sign,
because if you think about the painful losses Kentucky's had
over the years, he usually gives some sort of statement
of like, you know, it's tough loss, by support the
guys sports coach. Him not speaking, I thought was a
very don't. I don't know that he's ever done that before.

(01:08:08):
I'm not sure that I ever remember him doing that.
I cannot believe by the way that we that we
have to be in the hotel while these guys are
coming back. I mean, are you kidding me? Like this
wouldn't this would be one if we were on like
ESPN or something. People wouldn't believe it, Like literally, Golkie
is like standing over.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
There that opening monologue you had. There were cheers in
the background the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:33):
I know, I mean, I hated it, but there was
nowhere else to go.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
There's no other hotel close to this arena than this one,
and I I was running out of time. I almost
walked into a bar and they were blasting, you know,
pit Bull, and I'm like, I can't do it in there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
So I had to come in here because it was
the only place I had. So who's next, Thomas, Thomas,
what's up Thomas?

Speaker 8 (01:08:54):
Nobody should blame Mitch Barnhardt is the time we signed cow,
he was at the top of the world. But I
hope on Monday morning you guys have the analytics of
how often we played our most productive five guys at
the same time in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:09:10):
No, no, no, I mean, I don't know if you
heard that I said it earlier. I don't know about
productive five. But when Reid, Rob and Reeves were in
the game together, and remember Reed did not even play well.
But when Reid, Rob and Reeves were in together, we
were plus four. And when they were out. When one
of the three of them wasn't in, we were minus eight.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
So when we.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Played our best players, which is to me, that's my
biggest complaint about the year, is not who started it,
is we didn't. We have three of the best shooters
to ever play at this school, three of the six
best percentage three point shooters that ever wore a Kentucky uniform,
and he would not play them together.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
And when he played them together.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
We scored because you can't guard all of them and
somebody would be open. And guess what at the end
of the game, when we made the run that cut
it to one and we had the ball with a
chance to lead, guess who was in the game, The
three of them together, and he just wouldn't do that.
And I don't understand.

Speaker 8 (01:10:11):
Why, because he let the old man in. I'm just
telling you, analytics don't matter anymore. When he goes takes over.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Yeah, well you're I think, and I appreciate the call.
I do think there's a big part of col that
I'll always take up for him that he wants to win.
The people say who he doesn't care about winning. He
was as down tonight as I've ever seen him in
the press conference. I mean that, like, I'm not just
saying that he was as down to night as I've
ever seen.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
But he wants to win. But Billy, he wants to
win his way.

Speaker 2 (01:10:43):
Right, It's more important to lose his way than to
win your way. And I think that is ultimately pride
goes before the fall. And I think that's a little
bit of what we add here. Three more, Who's next, Jerry?

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Jerry? What's up? Jack?

Speaker 7 (01:11:04):
I guess you're sitting there looking at Goldie's a little
bit of salt in the loan, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:08):
Yeah, no kidding, It's unbelievable. Literally, it's unbelievable that there
he I mean he's literally right over there there he goes.
Look at that hair, I mean that hair. All right,
go ahead, make sure.

Speaker 2 (01:11:19):
It's not his fault. Listen, I'm happy leave aside us with.
I mean, like, you got a what an amazing story
that kid is and the other.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
Kid his parents both played. His parents both played at Oakland.

Speaker 2 (01:11:30):
His dad was like in the photo section tonight, like
those are amazing stories.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
That's what's great about college basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
And even though we lost, they better never change this
tournament because this is what's great about it?

Speaker 7 (01:11:41):
Yeah, one hundred percent. I know they've been calling for more,
you know teams. I think that's ridiculous. But look, there's
gonna be ninety ninety five percent of the fans that
wants a change, and I think it's been a high
percentage even going into this year. And I think because

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we love this team so much and enjoy to watch
them so much, I think that has kept that, you know,
the cause for him to go at Bay because we
love I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
I agree with that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
I think he's taken a lot less criticism this year
because everyone loved those players so much.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
I agree with that.

Speaker 7 (01:12:26):
That's there's no question about that. The other thing is
the thing that has bothered me, and it has really
irked me this year more than any time in the past.
And even he's been done it for a long time.
But you know, we're not fans if we criticize.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Yeah, I hate that, and I hate it that is that.

Speaker 7 (01:12:45):
Is such a slap in the face to people. You're
talking to a guy when when I was in grade
school fifty years ago, forty five fifty years ago, I
would come in because all the games are on take
delay for the most part. So I would come in,
my mother would make me go to sleep at eight o'clock.
She'd wake me up at eleven thirty after the news

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went off. I would watch the game and me and
as a kid, I love this program. And for him
to say that I hain't got a right to criticize
him as a coach, and I never criticized the player
I coached twenty five years. So I don't criticize kids,
but coaching, and I don't like to even do that.

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But they are so many obvious things that has complete
you have to lay it at his feet. There's no
other place to be.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
There's no where else can you put it. I mean,
it's Oakland.

Speaker 2 (01:13:41):
It's Oakland and Saint Peter's man like, it's you know
what I mean, it's Oakland and Saint Peter's.

Speaker 7 (01:13:49):
Look. They play, they play a two three amba defense.
It's a matchup. It's not we were so on prepared
offensively to a pack sad. Yeah, we were, we just
was I mean that he looked like we had just
showed up three or four. Did we bowl for the
last four days? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14:11):
Yeah, And he also I think he.

Speaker 7 (01:14:13):
Was not prepared to play.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
He almost takes he almost just saying it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
He almost takes joy sometimes in telling us stuff to
make us mad, Like he'll say things like, I know
y'all aren't gonna like this, but I took him bowling,
Like I don't care that he takes him bowling, Like
it doesn't bother me.

Speaker 1 (01:14:31):
But like, why why say it like that? You know
what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:14:34):
Like, why does he do that? Why it's I agree
with you? He acts like if you criticize him, you're
not a fan. And he says that all the time.
I mean, you know how many times he has taken
something I've said and then said, if you say this,
you're not a fan.

Speaker 1 (01:14:49):
Billy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
How many times does that happen this year? I mean
how many times it's happened? Twenty times, several And it's like, yes,
I am a fan. I've said this all year. We
were here before him, and we will be here after him.
Coaches and players are are placeholders, they're important, but the

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fans are what makes this program.

Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
And I feel like he has forgotten that.

Speaker 7 (01:15:16):
The name on the front of the jersey, and this
is something I don't think he's ever really believed, but
the name on the front of the jersey, because of
who it is is just as important as the name
on the back, if not a little more. I agree,
I don't think that they've always He's always approached it
that way. This is the University of Kentucky, this Haint Memphis,

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this Haint U Mass. And that's the thing I always
respected about of Rick Patino. He was Kentucky. It was
about the brand. And you know, and I know you
guys don't like him and all that, but I.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Don't hang on just a second. I don't, Oh, you
mean Rick Patino. First, I don't. I don't. Let me
be clear, I don't dislike Cal at all. I mean,
I like you, and I don't I mean Rick.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
There was a period I probably disliked him, but I've
gotten older and at some point you realize disliking people
just to waste the time. And so I don't, to
be honest with you, I kind of hoped he made
the tournament this year.

Speaker 1 (01:16:22):
But but you're right he did, and and Cal did in.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
His early years appreciate Kentucky for being Kentucky, not just
sort of a factory for him.

Speaker 7 (01:16:33):
Yes, yes, exactly. But now you go look at the
eight years that Rick was here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
Well, I don't want versus Cal. I don't want. I
don't think that gets us anywhere.

Speaker 7 (01:16:43):
Yeah, I don't know. I'm just I just think this
is a cool thing to look at it things puts
things in perspective. And I'm I'm not advocating for Rick,
which I woke up in the morning. He was my
basketball coach. I'd be a happy guy. But but you
look at the eight year run hit us five times
more impressive when you look he started from the death

(01:17:05):
penalty in three years. He had him in a regional
championship game and he took a miracle Christiannery.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah, but I do think and and I appreciate the call.
I'm gonna take up for Cal on this. Our first
eight years were pretty impressive too. We weren't in the
death penalty, but we did mint. I mean, we did
go to the NIT with Billy, and then the next
year were the number one team in the country. So
I do think I'll put Cal's first up eight years
up with anybody I'm talking about the last four or

(01:17:32):
five years. It's like in baseball, Billy, I know you're
a baseball guy when you start paying people for what
they did when they were good. That's where you screw up.
When you play Albert Pujols thirty million dollars because he
hit all those home runs ten years ago. That's when
your franchise screws up. And that's what's happening right now.
Like I'll put his first eight or nine years up

(01:17:55):
with anybody, But the question is what are we gonna
get next year? In the history has suggested that it
ain't gonna be that great. Let's do two more. Who's next?

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Mike?

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
Speaking of Mike, shout out to Mike Golick, who just
tweeted that he was listening.

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
I think people, wow, revel in our misery right now.

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
But I would do the same thing if it was
North Carolina or Duke or Kansas.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
So I can't. I can't. I can't get upset, Mike.
Go ahead, Mike, hey man, what's going on from this team?
Who comes back next year? Yeah? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
I mean, I would have told you before the game
that there's no way Reed Shepherd would have come back.
But he had what three points? He gave up about
twenty on a dude that was a D three player.

Speaker 1 (01:18:39):
So I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:41):
As far as who comes back, Cal did leave open
that some people would come back.

Speaker 1 (01:18:46):
Let's be real. The first questions, what's gonna happen with Cal?

Speaker 2 (01:18:49):
Because Cale doesn't come back, none of these dudes will
come back, not one of them. So you're gonna be
starting over. That is that is true. You'll if Kyle
doesn't come back, you'll lose everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
So like, that's so we'll just.

Speaker 22 (01:18:59):
Say he's got out the line.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
You know, you're placing people that are leaving this year.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
But by the way, that's another thing to remember is
if Cal leaves, none of these recruits will coming. So
you do have a situation where you're gonna be starting
from scratch.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
But go ahead, I think, and he started dragging about the.

Speaker 22 (01:19:22):
NBA players that came through this school.

Speaker 2 (01:19:26):
I can't hear you. Yeah, I'm sorry, it's on. Uh well,
we'll do two different ones. I'm sorry. I mean, I
know I'd like to have heard you, but you're bluetoothing
or something like that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Who's next, Glenn, Glenn? Go ahead, Glenn, Glenn.

Speaker 23 (01:19:40):
I don't know the yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know
the financials of the university. You know, Cow's Bay is
thirty three million, but the cost of not making a
change will be far more than thirty three million. You're
gonna lose a generation of fans. I have a ten
year old son who did not watch the game tonight
because he just said, well, there gonna lose like I

(01:20:00):
did last year. That's heartbreaking to me. We're in jeopardy
of being Aye, you and I don't want to be
iyuse Kentucky. We were here before Cal, we was here
during CAL. We will be here after Cal. We've got
to make a change.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
Right now.

Speaker 23 (01:20:19):
I'll get off and listen.

Speaker 2 (01:20:21):
Well, I mean that's pretty You're pretty definitive, and that's
pretty clear.

Speaker 1 (01:20:25):
I don't need that anything. Let's do one morning. If
it's good, Billy, we'll call it an evening.

Speaker 3 (01:20:29):
Let's try another, Mike, Mike, go ahead, Mike.

Speaker 7 (01:20:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 24 (01:20:33):
Hey, So you know, I feel like most of the
calls tonight haven't been haven't been angry enough. I feel
like it's mostly been been abbath even sadness, and I
feel like there's just there's no more beating around the bush.
All right, Cal's gotta go. All right, we have to
rip the band aid off. I know it's not gonna
be It's not gonna be easy. But I feel like

(01:20:54):
the last few years we've been in that phase that
programs can be in the end of an era where
it's hard to move on from a championship coach. And
I've been saying this to my buddies for the last
few years, and.

Speaker 11 (01:21:08):
I feel like I feel like.

Speaker 24 (01:21:13):
He's not necessarily running the program into the ground, but
it's become very stale.

Speaker 1 (01:21:18):
It has become stale. I agree with that it's become stay.

Speaker 24 (01:21:21):
I think part of the and I think part of
the problem, and some of the other callers had hit
on this earlier. I think part of the problem is
the state of the program that he's built. There's just
no continuity from from from year to year.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Weather players. Now, that's not good. That's gonna be true
no matter what.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
That was true here for a long time, but it's
gonna be true everywhere with the transfer portal, the days
I have in dudes for four years, and you're sitting
like that ain't gonna happen. I mean so so yes,
I agree, there's not a lot of continuity. And that
might have been a complaint a few years ago, but
that's everywhere in college basketball now. You just got assume
that you got one year teams.

Speaker 8 (01:21:58):
That's true.

Speaker 24 (01:21:59):
But but some of the other top programs, whether it's
it's Yukon, Purdue Houston, you know, I feel like they
do have a little more than that, and I feel
like and I feel like they build their programs a
little differently. And I don't know if Kl's capable of
doing that, because whether whether guys transfer or go pro,

(01:22:19):
it's very there's just no continuity from year to year,
and it's not sustainable because like this year, for example,
this year, next year's team, whether we've got great players
or not, next year's team is not going to be
as good, as likable, as exciting as this year's team.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
And that worries me about next year's team.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
By the way, everything we liked about this year's team,
none of the guys coming next.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
Year do that kind of stuff class like it's gonna
be exactly, you know, exactly.

Speaker 24 (01:22:49):
So so you have to assume, and nothing against any
of the players coming in next year, but you have
to assume next year's team isn't gonna be as good.
And so from from the jump, like fans just aren't
gonna be as excited and that's not just and that's
not a sustainable approach to a program that all these
other top programs are doing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
All RIGHT'M about to cut you off because I got
I just had somebody walk in, and we're going we
don't have much longer we can do, so I appreciate it.
I might have Drew because he's he hasn't said anything.
I'm gonna let Drew do a minute or two. I
only have one headset, so I might have to hand
it to him. This lady right here, Drew said you
were the the centerpiece, the core of KSR, so I
put so with that pressure, just the first time you've

(01:23:31):
said something about the game, What do you think?

Speaker 25 (01:23:36):
Like many of our listeners, I'm well, a little broken,
a little sad. I'm kind of in a little a
little bit of a like a fog, like did that
really just happen? It's both unbelievable and believable that they
would lose to that team. And like I said all week,
for me, it's not it's not the zone, it's not
the three point shooter, it's not Dray Townsend, it's not
their coach of forty years, it's I don't understand what

(01:23:59):
is going on behind the scenes that I'm watching Kentucky
basketball be the team that's afraid of the team they're playing.
It just doesn't look right that Oakland is pumping their
chest when the crowd is ninety percent blue. I don't
understand why A and M has the confidence. I don't
understand why Saint Peter's had the confidence. And then it
gets to point the game when you've hit seven threes,
then you're gonna have all of the confidence. There's just

(01:24:21):
something happening, and I don't know what it is, but
Kentucky looks so tight in these games, and I don't
know if it's something Cow's telling them. I don't know
if they're filling it. I don't know what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
But it just doesn't add up.

Speaker 25 (01:24:32):
People should fear that logo, especially in the NCAA tournament,
But in these games, recently, these meaningful games, the Kentucky
that I'm watching is the one that looks scared. And
that's not how it's supposed to work. When everything is
in your favor. You have the talent, the draft picks,
the Hall of Fame coach, you've got the whole crowd,
you've got the path. You're a fifteen point favorite. I
don't understand why you're the ones that are looking scared

(01:24:53):
of the forty year old that was amazing, by the way,
not to discredit him, but that's a mid major. That's
this is not supposed to happen. Maybe a one off,
you go, holy crap, it was one of those nights.
We'll get them next year. But this is now seven
or three years in a row of just coming home
early from the tournament, and it's it's unbelievable. As a
Kentucky fan, this is what we look forward to. And

(01:25:15):
I assume we haven't figured this out yet, but when
we end the show at twelve tomorrow, I would like
to get in the car as fast as possible and
get the hell away from this city and go sit
on the couch like the rest of Big Blue Nation,
which is unfortunately, unfortunately become a tradition for us, is
watching the second weekend and the third weekend from home.
But that's what we're gonna do, and I'm not looking
forward to that. But here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:25:38):
All right, Well, I agree with all that. All right,
I'll just finish with this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
I want to be clear that you know, first of all,
thank you everybody that's listening this season. This will be
the last show we do for for the year, obviously,
but I want to be very definitive and clear with
what I think about all thisjan cal Perry has been
a great coach for the University of Kentucky. I think

(01:26:06):
he has been brought a ton of awesome memories, experiences,
and success to this school. He produced more NBA players
than anyone. He's produced a ton of talent. He's produced
the most memorable games. And on a personal level, I

(01:26:26):
am not a lawyer because John cal Perry came here
and made Kentucky basketball something that could be a career.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
But all good things come to an end.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
And as awesome of pers human as I think he is,
and as awesome a coach as I think he's been,
and as much as he's done from the state of
Kentucky from a charity perspective, from a leadership perspective, the
last four years are not Kentucky basketball. And the easiest

(01:26:58):
way in business and in life to screw up is
to make decisions based on the past and not the future.
If you're judging the past, cal Perry should be the
coach forever. But if we're being honest, and we're judging
now in the future, it's probably time for both sides

(01:27:20):
to shake their hands say thank you for all you've done.
You've made you brought Kentucky basketball back from a down
period in the late two thousands. Cal should say you
guys have helped make me the most known coach in
the country and a multi multi millionaire, and we've all

(01:27:40):
had great times.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
But it's probably time for us to each move on
to me. That's the only way this can go forward.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Otherwise we're in for an off season that will be
tumultuous and bitter. We don't need that and he doesn't
need that. So it's probably time to shake hands. In part,
thank you folks very much for listening. Congrats to Oakland,

(01:28:11):
Thanks to Billy for the whole year football and basketball
being here. We'll be around. We'll do the show tomorrow morning.
And it's springtime now. I guess I can go watch
the Reds lose. Thank you all very much. We'll see
you later. This has been the local Twitter Dealers KSR
postgame show.

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