NFL Cover Zero: Celebrating National Tight End Day?

Matt Jones and Drew Franklin start with the Packers win over the Steelers.  Jordan Love has 20 straight completions at one point.  Do QB's specifically target tight ends because it's 'National Tight Ends Day'?  The Jets and Aaron Glenn get their first win of the season with a comeback over the Bengals. The Eagles get past the Giants, but the focus is the Cam Skattebo injury. 

The Broncos cruised past the Cowboys, is it time to believe in Bo Nix?  The 'Simpsons' curse continues and Matt reveals his favorite character.  A big game from the Bills over the Panthers. Matt is really concerned for the Bears after a loss to the Ravens. When is Lamar Jackson returning? Greg Olsen noted a change in coaching strategy on close field goals.  Matt offers his condolences on the passing of Fmr Jets OL Nick Mangold. 

Looking ahead to Commanders-Chiefs on MNF, Drew wonders if the game could be a rout.  Are Eli and Peyton Manning the most popular former players? A surprising win for the Dolphins over the Falcons.  A historic performance from Myles Garrett, but the Browns lose to the Patriots. The Bucs cruise past the Saints and the Colts still look like the best team in football at 7-1!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is
a production of the NFL and iHeart Podcast. Week eight
of the Cover Zero NFL podcast is here. Only one
game ended up as a one posent possession game. Only

(00:30):
one game even kind of was exciting. A lot of
these games were over halfway through the third quarter, so
it was a good time, I think, to focus on
the other things going on rather than the games. Yeah,
we kind of knew.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
This was ahead when the schedule came out and you
had the point spreads. There was a lot of seven
and a half point spreads, which in the NFL you
don't see that very often.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
And there were six teams that were off. So this
is the one week of the year where you have
the fewest games lopsided matchups for sure.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
So even though it's kind of chalky, we knew going
into this that it just wasn't going to be a
bunch of contenders running into each other this week.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
So but nevertheless, it's still, you know, still un to do.
We had our We did Billy, our Survivor League. You
and I are both still involved, still alive. Drew has
been out for weeks, so Drew doesn't ever get to play.
But I had the Colts, you had the Patriots, and
now we both I mean we're both into Week eight.
We would be starting to sniff the money if we

(01:24):
were in this thing for real.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Right, Yeah, I already am. Now it's all about team.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
We didn't actually enter, so there's no money for us
to win.

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Well, maybe something good will come our way.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Yeah, but I would have I would love to have
done it. You know, the both of ours were very easy,
and we still a lot of good teams left, both
of us. I mean, we've been fortunate. I've used Packers, Patriots, Colts, Broncos, Ravens, Lines.
I still I still haven't used the Bills, don't use
the Eagles, doesn't use the Chiefs. You've used Jaguars, Cardinals, Bills, Colts, Chiefs, Patriots.

(01:54):
So you still have Eagles, you still have the Lions
of the Packers. So there's still a lot of.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Still a lot of games to win, exciting stuff. Yeah,
and our TD parlay. I think you were the only
one that came in this week.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yes, I had what did I have? I had the
Taylor I got Taylor got one. Drew had what ceedee
Lamb Ceedee Lamb did not get one, and you had
Caleb Williams. That's right. That was a really bad pick,
as we'll talk about. So it's now three three one
me and you. Poor Drew just can't get anything working
for you.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Hey, I had my big Harold fan and junior touchdown
for bowling gral That's right. So I actually made a
little money on a touchdown. Bed just didn't do any
good on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
All right, Well, let's start with the game that just finished.
The Packers and the Steelers step Packers go into Pittsburgh
ruin Aaron Rodgers' sentimental game. Aaron Rodgers, who showed his
softer side all week talking about how he learned so
much in Green Bay and he considers at home. He
clearly was trying to reach out to Green Bay fancy.

(02:53):
I think he wants to have that moment that all
those Green Bay legends get, and I feel like this
week was his way to try to do that, don't
you agree?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, you know, he was doing a sucking up.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Mentioned a lot of familiar faces on the side, but
I thought the reunion was ruined from the moment they
dressed in the locker room, like this is like two
iconic looks. It's the Rogers homecoming, and it didn't even
feel like it was a Rogers Packers game the way
they looked out there.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
So I took away from the from what I was
looking forward.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
What do you make about the Steelers decision to wear
those I mean, those are I understand they were throwbacks,
but some things should be left in the dust ben
in history. Those are the ugliest uniforms of all time. Honestly,
the pants, I thought they were naked from like it
looked like that, It looked it looked obscene to to
the to the naked eye. I think sometimes you should

(03:42):
just leave the past in the past. And those Steelers
uniform they do them every couple of years, and I
hate them.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
It's more of a situational read the room, like these
are photos that are gonna last forever. It's Rogers versus
the Packers, and you chose to dress them up like
a bumblebee. Even the Packers weren't even wearing their normal uniforms.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
So it's like this big game you're gonna get is
gonna be in the blond Melon yes video.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
So when they play these highlights forever, and I'm sure
they will it's gonna look ridiculous because they watch what
they chose to wear. But also this is more we saw.
This is when Rogers was looking a little older because
they're getting pressure on him. He wasn't looking very mobile.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Bunch of times. This was really the first game in
this this era, this iteration of Aaron Rodgers the Steelers,
when where he looked like age had hit him. He
had I think sack three times. But also he just
he was a step slow. They you know, they were
up sixteen to seven, and then the Packers just dominate
in the second half. Jordan loved twenty straight completions. I

(04:39):
was surprised Drew when they said they didn't know if
it was the record that no one has ever, Like
they don't have the record for most completions in a row.
They know it ties Brett Favre, but they don't know
if it beats the other people. I find that interesting,
Like they just feels like they have all the other stats.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
How do they not have the record for most completions
in a row? That page is just missing from the
book and they'll never be able to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
But isn't there a computer that can figure it out
like put him him, put all of it, and it's
just like no, it's like that skin on Saturday Night
Line with Nate Berganzi. Nobody knows.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's like a I could figure that out pretty quickly,
but we'll just go with not knowing the answer.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
We don't know, but we know he has more more
consecutive completions at Aaron Rodgers tied Brett Farv. But he
was excellent tonight and they get the win. It could
have been worse. I mean the Packers missed a couple
of easy kicks once again, the Steelers field causing issues
with the plant leg.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, kicking was a problem. I will say Jordan Love
not to take away from his game, but turns out
just throwing at the Tucker Craft was a pretty good
move tonight. He was just bulldozing people. I think he
had seven catches for close to one hundred and fifty
yards two touchdowns. He's having a heck of a season,
but this was by far his best game and a
lot of times it was just Love dumping it off
and he was running through the secondary.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
I don't want to be the grump, but I heard
the phrase National tight end Day today one hundred and
fifty times. Big deal. I think Chris Heysen was paid
by the mention by big tight end, right, whoever big
tight end is. They paid him because he said it
over and over? What is that? When did this become

(06:18):
a thing?

Speaker 2 (06:20):
About five years ago? I think Kittle created it. That's
just the day to get the tight ends in the
end zone. And it works. Like the stats of tight
ends getting touchdowns this week is huge every season.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Like that's a coincidence.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
No, I genuinely think quarterbacks you get on the ten,
if you can throw to your tight end or throw
to someone else, you're going to force it to your
tight end because of this day.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
But because within the defense is then key on the
tight end, knowing its National tight end Day, it's not
stopping them. The numbers are there. Another big day. We're
not done, but I'm.

Speaker 2 (06:46):
Sure it'll be close to I think the records twenty
we'll probably have fifteen sixteen. Today they were all day
I remember several right. I mean Harold Fannon was the
first touchdown of the day. So what when do these
other people get their days?

Speaker 1 (06:58):
Now? It's the tight ends. They're underappreciated, Matt, No, they're
not the tight ends have way too much attention. Rob
First of all, tight end just is going to marry
Taylor Swift. I think they get plenty of attention. Gronk
is on every commercial on my television to George Kittle
is everywhere. I feel like I get plenty of tight

(07:19):
end attention. I think it is amazing to me how
much this was mentioned over the course of the day.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Because why tight ends were scoring touchdowns? That's why I
was mentioned so much. Why do they need to be appreciated.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Well, it's probably Scott Hansen, who you heard say National
tight End Day a lot. If it was Chris Hanson,
then they'd have some others.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Yeah, please be seated.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I'm doing laundry.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Hang on, be right out. I left some cookies. No,
this would be I'm happy for him. I did like
Tucker Craft after he scored a touchdown. Did you see
he did a headbutt except the other guy had a
helmet on and he did.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
Yeah, he was on fire tonight. I don't know what
got into him, but he was the whole game for
the Packers.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I don't think you should do headbutts without your helmet on.
That's that should be a rule. But it's National tight
end Day, celebrated as you please. I did like the
play in this game where Zach Frazier, the center for
the Steelers. Did you see that? He he thought they
were running the hurry up, so he got down on
the ball, but they were in a huddle, and I

(08:21):
guess the rule is once you touch the ball, you
can't get up, So he just had to stand there
while they were in the huddle, just holding the ball
with his butt up in the air.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
I enjoyed that, immediately regretted getting over there. You know,
it's probably hard enough to stand in that stance long enough,
you got your whole team behind your meeting, and you're
just you're stuck with the pigskin.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
But give him credit intelligent to realize he couldn't get
up right. I mean, you know, a lesser player might
have gotten up and joined the huddle. He realized he
could not do it high IQ. Not high Q.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Not high IQ enough to not touch the ball, yes,
but enough that once he did he knew.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
But if you're gonna make the mistake, you you stuck?
Are you? I feel like this was a show me
game for the Packers. There five to one and one.
I think they're It's odd to say about Green Bay,
but I think they're the least talked about really good
team in the league. We talk a lot about Daniel
Jones and Baker Mayfield and Drake may and then of

(09:14):
course the Chiefs, the Eagles and the Bills. But I
think people aren't noticing a five to one and one
Packers team that blew out the Lions and we won.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
I think it's because starting Week one they look awesome,
they have that big win, but then it just was
kind of like, even though they're winning, it was just
blog games. I mean, you tie the Cowboys. Cowboys were
giving up fifty points a game at that point in
the season. You have a tie there. So even though
they're just trudging along. Outside of the Lions winning, then
this one tonight are the only two big statements.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Can I say I'm glad that Aaron Rodgers didn't win.
I'm a great a hater hater, but isn't it okay
just to have some things that you just you like,
disproportionately dislike? Why can't that be mine? For Aaron Rodgers?
I have one more the Patriots, Patriots fans and Aaron Rodgers.
Can I not just dislike them disproportionately. Everyone else in

(10:04):
National tight End Day, Well, I mean this.

Speaker 4 (10:06):
Is a one day year, that's three I don't we're
five minutes on the show. Well, I don't hold a
grudge against tight Ends all year, but it's I enjoyed
watching him lose. I like the fact the Packers did
get the last word.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I thought about you a little bit as he was losing,
because you are number one Aaron Rodgers hater. You actually
didn't even have to tell us that.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
We know.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
We've picked up on that throughout our Steelers conversations this year.
So I'm glad that the Packers been bad. But he's
been better than I thought he would be. But shouldn't
you be against the Packers. That's a division rival.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
I should do not have that like Packers an Bears.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
I'm a Bears fan, but we've never been good, especially
especial since I was a little kid. So and we
had and there's no where it's like we're Kentucky fans.
I hate Tennessee in theory, but we've lost thirty eight
out of the last forty one years in football. I
can't just spend my life worrying about it. It's just
gonna happen over and over and on that.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
I guess Aaron Rodgers was kicking your butt a light
when he was a Packers So either way, you hate
both sides of that.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Think he won fourteen. I mean it's you know, but
Packers get the win. The game of the day was
probably oddly Jets Bengals Bingles were up thirty eight twenty
four with is seven minutes to go, and they found
a way to blow it. The Jets win thirty nine
to thirty eight. Let's talk for a second about we sweetness.

(11:26):
I thought watching Aaron Glenn get his win, see now
happy everybody was. I'm a sucker. I've told you this before,
but for watching people celebrate and be happy. I was
really happy watching Aaron Glenn and the Jets celebrate.

Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, I thought Aaron Glenn would work out a little better.
And the only reason I thought that is just from
watching Hawks years ago. Everyone else, but you know, someone
that's just casually rooting for him, doesn't have a rooting
interest in the team. I also was excited for them
to get out of the funk because it's just been
so ugly for them so far this year, and to
do it on the road. You didn't have Garrett Wilson
or Sauce Gardner. I mean, people were ready to throw

(12:03):
Justin Fields away. So even though Bengals fans are going
through it right now, I was happy.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
To see the Jets get Wings. Were one of the
bigger Survivor League picks. We did not pick them, but
but I think they were the second most picked team,
uh in Survivor League. So they're now all out. A
couple things. First of all, Justin Fields when the game
was over said he said he cried in the closet.
He was so happy after his owner basically threw him

(12:29):
under the bus this week, saying, you know, how do
you expect us to win? He didn't say Justin Field's name,
But with a guy like that at quarterback, then to
go and win that has to be great redemption.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, and you know football is a tough guy sport,
and you know times are changing. I was good on
you Justin Fields for admitting you weren't in the best
place there for a while. Good for him to say
that when he was going through a lot of football
players say I didn't hear that. Just He's crying was
in a dark place. You know, it's the first. First
the crying was before the game, Yeah, crying. He was
in a dark place the lead up of the game, before.

Speaker 1 (12:59):
They got I thought he was crying because of the win.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
So he's an admitting he was in a dark hole
all week, said he was going to be one, and
then he admitted, well, now I like it even more.
That is amazing that he would admit that.

Speaker 2 (13:10):
And on the field they're asking him what changed, and
he was like, honestly, not to be kind of cliche,
but had a lot of talks with God this week,
and you know, just was very open about how he
was in a low spot. So even though it's been
bad for him all up until this point, good for
him to get a win because it sounds like he
was really going through it in the last few days
before that game.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Maybe it'll make it people not be as mean to justify,
you know, justin we don't forget they're humans. Something this
always seemed to be. I mean, he was our quarterback
for a long time. I always liked him. I didn't
particularly think he was very good, but I always did
like the guy. So I thought that was great to
get a win. Is this one of those situations though,
where you're doing it. I mean the owner, does.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
He get to come in the locker room and celebrate
after I don't know. They did kind of put it
all on fields up until this point. So they got
that win. I don't know this is going to solve
any problems for him or the Jets moving forward.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
But that was a heck of a comeback. He all right,
So on National tight End Day, it was a tight
end pass that was the winning touchdow out. That sort
of goes towards your theory.

Speaker 3 (14:08):
Yeah, they got a little creative there. They went for
two down eight.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Okay, so let's say, well, let's talk about that. So
they were, they go down and they go for two.
They're down eight. Now, the reason people do this is
exactly what happened. If you get it, then your next
touchdown you just win. And if you don't get it,
well you can go for two again the next time.
And the theory is, if you're a team that can

(14:32):
go greater than fifty percent on your two point conversions,
it's the right thing to do. More teams are starting
to do it, but a lot of teams still don't.
Would you have the guts to do it?

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Really, I was watching live and in the moment, my
brain did not think do that. And you know, like
anyone else, I'm just you know, they scored, waiting for
the field goal the next point kicker to trot out.
But then once they did it, I thought, you know
what didn't cross my mind and did the math you
just explained. So I was with it, but I'll admit
that that's not something I think of when when down fourteen,
see a few.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Teams do it. I remember Mike Tomlin did it in
a game. I've seen probably three or four teams do it.
I can't remember a game where it made the difference.
I've seen people do it and then they didn't score
the last touchdown or the other team went and scored
points so it didn't matter. This is the first time
I've seen it work, and so since it worked, I

(15:23):
think it's kind of brilliant because you know, I mean,
if I'm the Jets, if I scored on the second touchdown,
I probably would have gone for it. Anyway, Like you
know what, you don't have anything, you're oh and seven,
so why not do.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
It that time?

Speaker 1 (15:36):
And you get two shots at the apple that's or
two that's it's mixing metaphors. You don't want to you
don't want to shoot the apple twice, right, you would
like to bite the apple twice. I think that's what happen.
Whatever you whatever you wanna do with the apples, but yeah, twice.
If it'll be gone the first time.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
If all the teams in the NFL to pull it off,
it is the Jets. So like you said, oh and seven,
we're on the road. What else we gotta lose? Are
my quarterback's just been thrown under the bus. I got
a coach that can't win a game, Let's go for it.
And that even goes down after they got to two
point conversion, throw the half back, half back pass to
Mason Taylor to win it, getting the winning touchdown.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
They were just very creative there in that comeback. The
Bengals fans booed after the game. I follow a lot
Obviously we're close to Cincinnati, so I follow a lot
of Bengals accounts, many many, many longtime Bengals media people
saying the worst loss of the Zach Taylor era. And
I saw one guy say one of the three loss

(16:32):
worst losses in Bengals history.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Is it that bad?

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (16:38):
I'm not a Bengals historian. They playing their backup quarterback
they just signed two weeks ago. It seems like an
overreaction given the circumstances. But they were looking good. That
offense looked great. Flacco had a rushing touchdown, he ran
and picked up a third and twelve. Yeah, it looked
like the Bengals were thirty eight. Yeah, it looked like
they're gonna run them out of the stadium. T Higgins
always plays well against the Jets. He had a big

(16:58):
touchdown catch, So Bingals, a lot of them just assumed
they had that game won, and then that fourth quarter
everything flips with the with the jetskin clever. As we mentioned,
what if I told you it's the fifth time in
the last two seasons, Billy that they've scored the Bengals
have scored thirty three points and lost. That is believable. Actually,
I mean that says a lot about that defense. Yeah,

(17:20):
I mean, score thirty three points five times and lose
during the course of that time. That's a bad sign.
Zach Taylor, he set up for the game. We need
a leaders to step up. We've now seen this with Tua.
One could argue he's the head leader. I guess, well,

(17:40):
your leader leader is still in street close. He can't
step up too much right now. Yeah, and Joe Burrow
just moved there a couple of weeks ago. I guess,
is he calling out Jamar Chase? Is he try but
Jamar the defense?

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, Jamar Chase had ten catches again, he's been on fire.
I don't know if he's in the locker room being
a leader, But I would say, Zach Tavy, this one's
on you. I think you've won your offense plays like
that and you let the Jets come back.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
And still win in your own stadium. Think you need
to look in the mirror.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
And maybe like that could be the game that keeps
you from making the playoffs. I mean that if they
win that, they're four and four. Now, they got the
Bears coming in next week. That'll be a huge game,
I think for both teams. But yeah, you had your brain.
You had the Browns lose, Steelers lose. Yeah, I mean
this was your chance, this was your chance to make
up games, and they didn't do it. Eagles beat the

(18:41):
Giants thirty eight to twenty. Saquon Barkley at one hundred
and fifty yards first time he's gotten that all season long.
Got a touchdown, but the game Eagles win, Hurts has
four touchdowns. But you see how much Cam Scataboo has
taken over the league in the sense that all anybody
wants to talk about is that he got hurt.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, and just one of those graphic injuries, one of
those I don't need to rewind it watching back. If
it pops up on Twitter, I'm not hitting play. I
saw it one time. That's all I need to see.
You knew he was done the moment you saw that ankle.
Turn had surgery right away, took him straight to the hospital,
had surgery.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
But just that dude's been such a fun favorite.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
The Giants just found some swag with him and Jackson
Dart and for it to be taken away like that,
I feel awful for Giants fans in Scataboo.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
That was hard to work. I feel bad because the Giants.
I mean, like, this is a guy, I mean, we
have a younger guy that works at this show. Mario
who was already his favorite player, like a buddy of
mine's kid was saying to me. I asked him who
his favorite NFL player was, and he said scataboo. I mean,
you talk about a guy that had just taken over
the league in a few weeks, to have him go down,

(19:49):
I just think that makes everybody really sad. He did
try to get up and play. I'm surprised he didn't
just kept going.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Well, adding to his legend when he's on that cart,
I guess you got adrenaline. Dude seemed unfazed. He's high
five in his teammates, he's head button dart. But I
think a lot of people people would have been balling
their eyes out, towel over their face, just grimaced and pain.
He looks right at it, and you know he's upset
that it snapped, but just a he's a just tough
son of a Well he did all I can say

(20:16):
on here, but even did.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
A lets bleep and go right.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, he's he's become beloved by a lot of people.
Kind of reminds me of the Jeremy Lynn run in
New York. Short lived.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Mak him Jeremy Lynn, Jeremy Lynn. I hope he gets back.
I think that's disrespectful too.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
No, if you know ball, you know Jeremy Lynn, If
I know with the New York.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
If he's look at you acting like you know bad,
like like you we know who Jeremy Lynn is. That's
not some obscure person from It's all you're talking about
Mark Eaton. You're talking about Jeremy Lynn. We know who
Jeremy Lynn is. Lynn sanity perhaps, yeah, scataboo, But I
think this is an injury to a rookie and that

(21:02):
was just a guy got really hot. Yeah, that was
a guy had five good games. That's the diference.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I get that difference.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
But you know, by the way, for the rest of
his career, he's the Jeremy Lynn of of running backs.
Poor skate Cam scataboo. If you're going to do a.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
New York comparison, I would have maybe gone, like name
of you know, football injury.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
That's a little more success. I mean he's super Bowl,
but I mean it's a gruesome leg injury. I mean, you're.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
Excuse me, regardless of Jeremy Lynn, the Jeremy Lynn crossing sports,
no injury.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
He tried to correct you and then he was wrong too.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
It was that was New York, right, No, it was
washing Well, who's the New York and the Jets have
a gruesome injury?

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Who am I missing. I'm not I'm not crazy. I
don't know Viny test of Vernie. Maybe okay, well'll put
a Pennican back. Maybe it was Jeremy Lynn. There is
a Jets gruesome injury. I'm not dreaming that. Jeremy Lyn
got got hurt about the Jets at a Jets game. Okay,
he came out to watch and he got hurt.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
He scored thirty on Kobe flipped the coin of the Jets.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
What are you talking about the Jets? It's the Giants, uh,
but never the US thirty eight to twenty. You have
been one of the few people in America defending the tushpush.
Today was the low point of the tushpush. First of all,
a couple people move before it starts, then they fumble it.

(22:23):
Finally somebody's figured out how to stop it. They cause
a fumble, but the refs blow it dead. But they
actually blow it dead after he fumbles, But then they
come and say, well, actually his forward progress had been stopped,
but he was still moving. I didn't understand that call.
If I were the Giants, I would be livid. Brian Dayball,
who always looks like his hand's gonna explode. It was

(22:43):
twice as big, it was about to explode. Is that
the play that gets them to change the rule next year?

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yes, the tush push is not bad because the Eagles
found a loophole and the good they're good at it.
The toush push is bad because the refs continue to
miss false starts fumbles. It seems every week there's a
just obvious mistake where the refs blow it, and it's
I don't know if they're just not getting a good view.
I don't know what's happening, but we have too many

(23:12):
examples of miss calls and it has nothing to do
with the actual pushing of the tush. There's there's just
a lot of blown plays. Isn't it also bad just
because it's not entertaining? I mean, part of when the
NFL makes rules, part of the reason they make the
rules is entertainment. I mean, part of the reason you
know it's you can't defend receivers like you used to

(23:33):
be able to is an entertainment part. They wanted there
to be more passing yards, they wanted to be there
to be more ex points. Is it just it's hideous
to watch? A good enough reason? I never wanted to
take it away from them just because they were good
at something.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
It is hideous. Well I'm doing it. I'm doing it
because I don't like watching it. It's boring.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
I didn't mind that guy. I just thought they found
a loophole.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
Let them do it.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
But when it's gotten to the point where you don't
know how to actually officiate a game, when they're doing
it and you've got guys laying down trying to create
tabletops on the other sideline, it's just getting turned into
a little bit of clown show around the That was
totally a fun Yes, I mean I got absolutely robbed.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
And they didn't even bowl the whistle. Like first of all,
I didn't realize you couldn't you couldn't review forward progress.
I mean, in general, I don't mind that. I don't
mind if the ref blows the whistle not reviewing his
decision to stop forward progress. But in this case, he
hadn't bowled the whistle yet, so he hasn't blown the whistle.

(24:33):
I don't understand how that's not still a.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Live ballu kevon Tibdeau. They got ripped it out. He
like he had the ball, and when they blew the whistle.
He was pretty He had interesting comments after the game
during his interviews, being very critical. He's at his locker
and a teammate leans over and says, hey, man, you're
gonna get fine.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
He's like, but.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Anyway, great call, great call by the ref. So the
teammates leaned in and corrected him as he was lighting
them up for that.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Yeah, well I think I would do it too. You
know what, Well, it's all that's easy for me to say.
It's not my money. But Eagles get the win. They're
starting to look a little bit more like the Eagles.
The game of the day on paper was gonna be
Broncos Cowboys, which the but it was never really a game.
Broncos win forty four to twenty eight. I have to

(25:17):
tell you I missed half the second quarter and half
the third quarter and watched episode three of Hunting Wives.
Oh I don't even know what that is. What are
they hunting? Oh you've never seen hunting Wie? No, Well,
what's interesting is they're hunting each other, Billy and Love. Oh, okay,
I get it.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
I thought it was a pack of lives hunting something.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
Have you not seen this? It was on Netflix. Oh,
it's very scandalous. I can't even go into what all happens.
Do not watch it with your parents or children. It's
a it's a it's a steamy show. As the kids
say it must be. It is to take your attention
to episode might be the steamiest episode, and that I
decided to take a break from Broncos Cowboys and do

(25:56):
episode three of Hunting Wives. Then when I came back,
I was looking at Dak Prescott a different way. I
was questioning his motives. Everyone was looking that he didn't
play in a different way today. He didn't play well.
This is a game. I watched every snap with sound.
I was really into this.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Cowboys offense took a big step back, but really it
was more about what bo Knicks was doing. The Cowboys
defense has been bad all year, but Bo Nicks is really, really,
really looking good. He said eight touchdowns in the last
two weeks. R J Harvey had three touchdowns. The Broncos
offense just carved him up. But I still don't believe
in bo Nicks.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Bo Nicks gives you one of these and then you're
gonna get a loss to somebody bad. I'm still kind
of ambivalent on Bo Knicks. I think he giveth and
he taketh away.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
This one, it's hard to gauge because it's the Cowboys
and Russell Wilson scored fifty on him. I mean, everybody's
scoring on the Cowboys. But it was like he was
throwing on the run, he was picking up third down
with his feet. He he just looks like he's getting
better and better with each week. And the Broncos are
looking like a feral contender too.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Wouldn't you shouldn't we have just picked Denver by the
fact that the Cowboys haven't beaten Denver since Troy Aikman
and John Elway were the quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
This is my favorite stat of the entire Sunday Slate,
that the Cowboys have not beating the Broncos since nineteen
ninety five. You'd think at some point you would have
found a win. They're eight since nineteen ninety five, and
that's you know, part of his only play those teams
every four years. But still, you're right, you would think
once in you know, we've gone through a lot of
administration since then, they would have been able to get one. Well,

(27:30):
Cowboy shouldn't be a at eight and against anyone, really
if you are for the Cowboys, but you know there's
a Simpsons curse here. I know you're a Simpsons Guy's Simpson.
There's an episode before the streak started, same year. It's
a Homer wanted a piece of the Dallas Cowboys. He
wanted to be an owner of the Dallas Cowboys. Who
was dreaming about it, and then I guess there's a
Hank something. Hank gave him a piece of an NFL team,

(27:52):
but it was the Broncos instead, and he was upset
because the Cowboys were defending Super Bowl champs. Broncos stuck
but stunk. But since that episode, interesting, the Cowboys have
never beaten the Broncos and the Broncos guy who works
at the bar he gave even the thing Hank Scorpio.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Is that a thing I was?

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I was researching episode because I don't know very Scorpio.
Maybe I'm not. I'm watching. I know it's a big curse.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Cowboys fans are aware of it because in the episode,
Homer's complaining that he got the Broncos instead of the Cowboys. Okay,
since that episode it's.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Flipped and Scorpio Hank score parody of Richard Branson Oh.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
See, I didn't, so that wasn't a regular character. It
was just a guy like in town gives it to him,
parody of Richard Branson. Who's your favorite Simpsons character? By
the way, since you brought that up, I don't have
a little kid Bart. I know, Bart, Billy. Look at you.
You act like I've never had that scene of sad Homer. No,

(28:50):
I understand the main characters. I'm talking about the little
chubby kid who is well Ralph. I'm a big Ralph guy.
Ralph Wigham. I'm a huge Ralph guy. He might be
my favorite character.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
I'm in danger.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
There's a TikTok clip of like the thirty five best
Ralph moments, and I actually have it saved on my
thing so I could just watch our fan. I'm a
huge Ralph fan. What about you.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
I don't know many of the deep cuts. I guess
there's a Ned Flanders. I'll say Ned Bas. I can't
say Bart over Lisa Marge, Ned Flanders. I'll take yibbidi
doo skidily do, I'll take him.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
Do you have one?

Speaker 3 (29:29):
And Ned was my answer, I'll go mo As.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Is my other favorite. When I once went to Universal Studios,
in uh in Orlando, they have a Simpsons part of it, right,
And I was dated a woman who went to Harry
Potter World, and I needed a break from all things
Harry Potters much magic. So I went into Moe's Bar.

(29:53):
There's a mo'se Bar, And first of all, they only
have one kind of beer, duff Good, which is what
they have there, so you could just order def beer.
But on the TV they were playing a Simpsons like
two hour episodes and they just play over and over.
And I said to the bartender, who is dressed and
supposed to be Mo, which think about that. You get

(30:15):
a job and you just have to be Mo the
bartender every single day, so like a career. And like
all the bartenders there are named Mo. They are not
allowed to have their own name. We have to act
like they're all Mo. And I said to him these episodes,
like do they repeat a lot? And he said it's
a two hour loop And I said, you just hear

(30:37):
the same one every day and he just starts quoting
the Oh no, he just starts saying the dialogue. And
I went, you by the end of that would hate
the Simpsons, wouldn't you, especially those particular episodes, wouldn't you
just despise them?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
So I was wonders this like a part time gig
or is this a guy who in forty years is
gonna have like pension? Like I was Mo for fur,
I did that same thing every day.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
And I saw the same six episodes over and the
sermons over and over. I can't think me if you're them,
there's no reason to have new episodes. You want to
put the ones that are the most famous because that's
what the people coming in would want to see. I
would be so mad if I win, they didn't have
it on. If I have a guess, that's exactly right.

(31:22):
But he but the name tags, I'll say, Mo. It's
also hard to get somebody's attention because they all turned around.
But nevertheless, let's go to the Bills and the Panthers.
The Bills win forty to nine. Anything you cared about
in this game, besides getting to see Andy Dalton again

(31:43):
probably for the last time, I watched.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Him more of this game than you'd probably expect, a
lot of rushing touchdowns, Shosh Allen had to James Cook
had a big game. This is one of the rare
games since you're a tight end National tight End Day
hater Ken Kaid never got in, So this is one
of the games that didn't celebrate National tight End Day.
I'm surprised you didn't like this one. Is this the
last time Andy Dalton plays no? Because I would have
thought that five years ago, and they'll just keep popping up.

Speaker 3 (32:07):
When he popped up a few weeks ago in Carolina,
I'm like, I forgot he was even in. I want
him to get one more game.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
You can't go out losing forty to nine at home,
cause you know, like you're gonna always remember your last game.
You know you can't remember your last game. Like I
used to have a television show and I gotta let
go of it because of a certain Senate candidate in Kentucky.
For those of you listening in the rest of the country,
just google it. And I still remember my last show.

(32:34):
It was in a brewery and Pike Bowl, and they'd
already told me we were canceled, but they made me
do one more show and we had to go in.
They were like, make sure you do the ad reads.
I'm like, I'm not doing the area. You've already fired me.
But I still remember that show. Chris Tomlin and I
in a pipel thing. I don't want this to be
Andy Dalton's final memory. A couple of interesting stats here.

(32:54):
James Cook had two hundred and sixteen yards huge day,
first time a guy's gone over two hundred yards this
year in a game rushing. And then Josh Allen became
the second quarterback of all time to have seventy rushing touchdowns.
Only Cam Newton is the other one. The difference, though,
is Josh Allen still got a long career ahead, like
he's going to obliterate.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
That record, right, Oh, definitely. He made it look so easy.
One of them was a little bit of a sneak,
but he's just so dang big and he'll fire for
those yards both ones. Both of the runs he got
today looked like he could have had them with ease.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
It's Josh.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
I don't know if he'll win MVP because it'll all
depend on how the Bills finish, you know.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
And they also lost at home the Patriot. I mean, yeah,
they have a couple bets.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I just love watching Josh Allen play football. I'm kind
of a bit of a Josh Allen fan boy for
a team I don't really root for from a distance whatever.
I like the Bills crowd, but don't really care for
the Bills what they do. But I do enjoy watching
Josh Allen play.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Bills and Eagles both had lost two straight games a
couple of weeks ago, and you wondered if they would open.
They both kind of came back going this game. I
want to go back just second. I forgot to talk
about in the Cowboys Broncos Pickens George Pickens. You were
noting Billy his mouth guard situation.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Oh yeah, So George pick has a pink mouthguard and
a yellow mouthguard, and he was had neither of them
in his mouth. So I just I mean while he
was playing.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, so they both just dangle.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Well like Ceedee Lamb had a mouth guard it was
white and then he didn't wear it when he's not
during a play. George Pickens didn't wear his mouthguard while
he was during the place. So he has two of
them and they're just going everywhere and.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
He doesn't use any of them. No, I like it.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
I love anything George Pickens wants to do. He said
he's had a resurgence in Dallas. I know he's got
a little bit of attitude. Maybe sometimes there's some sideline antics,
but he is a constant highlight reel with Prescott and
Ceedee Lamb this year.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
What is the thought though, behind not us having two
mouthguards and not use it them. I mean, it's one.
If you don't want to use a mouthguard, that's fine,
But I guess you could have one just in case.
But if you know you're not a user, why would
you have two. Maybe you're rotating one's like two tonight.
Maybe maybe one I'm blocking. I'm putting my blocking mouth piece,

(35:07):
or I'm you know, I'm going deep.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I'm running around. It's my route running out. He doesn't
use him at all, and he can rotate him in
and out. They dangle a lot, but you can they'll
throw him in it out.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
But they are just swinging.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
So you're saying it could be like a poker tail.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
He uses like.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
This is gonna be a slant. He's got the yellow
one in. He's like the guy in Rounders with the oreo.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah, he's just switching him out based on the situation.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Okay, all right, well maybe we should we should scout
that and see my bears took an embarrassing lost to

(35:50):
the Ravens thirty to sixteen. It's not even so much
that they lost, it's that they were bad. Caleb Williams
was terrible. It's that, you know, I'd gotten the point
that I was kind of believing in him, and now
there's two straight weeks where it's been bad. But he
was awful today, probably his worst game for the Bears.
The Ravens win a must win game for them. They

(36:10):
were one to five. They had to win this. They
win it with Snoop Huntley at quarterback against a pretty
good Bears team. Henry Derek Henry got a touchdown to
maybe the fifth all time leading rushing touchdowns. This is
a bad loss for my Bears, and I'm pretty upset
about it. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Online, I checked in on some Bears websites. There's some
big concerns about Caleb being the guys. You can imagine.
It looked like earlier in this year he might have something.
But that interception he threw down three back against the
end zone.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, you lost. I mean, that's the game. It's sixteen thirteen.
You scored before you get a stop, you've got the ball,
and then you throw essentially hand them the points. That's
the game. And that was such a bad throw. It
was late, it was to an guy that wasn't open,
and it was in a part of the fields. You
can't do that. I mean, that was all of the
problems with Caleb Williams in a nutshell. Ben Johnson also

(37:04):
the coach, was kind of harsh on he ma after
the game. Cannot make that throw.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
I didn't have Huntley having the better game than Huntley
completed his first non passes went like eighteen for twenty two.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
He had a big game.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
But Williams just a huge disappointment when the Bears really
had a rolling ever had y'all won like four in
a row, I think offense and turned the corner looking
good and then that was just embarrassing today. And that's
gonna be a tough because the Ravens defense.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
You look at their schedule, it looks like when Lamar
doesn't play, okay, they're giving you one. Here. You got
a chance. This is the you know, you could be
five and two, you could be tied for the division lead.
If you get this instead, you take the loss. Now,
what about the Labar issue. Lamar was issued as put
as questionable Friday, and then on Saturday they decide he's

(37:48):
not gonna play. A lot of people saying, John Harbaugh
when it was over said look, honest mistake. Yeah, what
do you think can can you get away with his
honest mistake? He's like, oh, you know it's over on
the medical team. I was over here coaching.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Def was a mistake on scout team, so they knew
he wasn't gonna play. That's a pretty big mistake because
of the gambling aspect, because the line changed so much
from six and a half to one and a are
And I don't think there was any funny business, but
you gotta be careful, especially when it's one of the
best players in the entire league. You know what that's
gonna do to gambling in I mean, how much presshould.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Have watched the news this week.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I don't know how much it changes preparation on the
Bears end, but it's a big deal that I've always says.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Of course, it changes preparation on the Bears in. If
you think you're getting it, probably changes preparation in this
game more than any game in the year, Like Lamar
is the one. If you think you're getting Lamar, it's
a completely different game plan. I mean more than it was.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Like, I think it came out like Friday afternoon at
that point.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I don't think they ever accepted it, didn't it or
was it Friday nine? Friday?

Speaker 3 (38:56):
They listed him as a full participant in practice, and
then it came out Saturday.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
So I mean when they says a fight, here's what
I think they did. They listened as a full participant,
but they didn't say he was on the scout team. Right, Well,
he did participate. Well, Harball brought the water out. Harball
said he was.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
He was a participant. We just weren't clear on what
the rules meant for how you labeled. So that's probably
come on like him.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Jogging over on the side.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
There's probably somebody who could answered that question. Oh it's
it's funny business. Yeah, well, I don't think it made
any difference. Lamar Plaine did not cause Kayleb Williams to
make that throw. No, but and Humley looked really good. Now.
The Bears also had something that again we don't have
stats that say this, but three emergency missed field goals.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Oh not just the Bears this week there were three
emergency field goals. There was one in the Bears game.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
I mean that's so, I'm sorry, that's what I meant.
Did I say? In the Bears got So there were
three emergency miss field goals where they came on clocks
running that there's a name for it. It's called what
like the it's like a fire drill. Yeah, but they
have a name for it, like they have something. It's
called like, I don't know, sniper or something. Anyway, they
do it. All three of them are missed. Now, Billy,

(40:10):
you have a theory that I like about this.

Speaker 3 (40:13):
Yes, So we've heard a lot about kicking balls and
how these teams are able to I guess form their balls,
rub their balls a certain way the way that they
like them, I guess before the game starts, and so
they can use their kicking balls when they kick, but
in during these emergency scramble drills, they have to use
the ball that's out there. Yeah, and they can't kick
it as far. So we've seen a lot of these.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
So you're suggesting that the reason we've seen all these kicks,
which you're not the only one suggests this. This has
been widely agrees that when the kickers massage and do
all the things they do with the balls, that that
makes them easier to kick. But you're saying, we're now
seeing this because they're using the regular ones in these emergencies. Correct, Yes,
that's an interesting theory. It makes sense to me, drew right,

(40:54):
they don't have time to switch it to the other one.
Almost makes me wonder. I mean, if you're doing this drill,
you probably don't have a time out.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
But if there's some any kind of trick where you
could get away to get some down period to try
to get the switched if it truly is that much
harder to.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Kick the one that they've been playing with kids were
tolls for the Bears. His was fifty six and he
came up short, and you don't. You're you're not seeing
guys come up short on that length. So that would
seem to suggest there might be something to that. Yeah,
I mean, could we like take a penalty, move us back,
but give us time to switch the ball out if
the ball is really that bad, So you mean switch it, ye,

(41:28):
take a five yards. They're like some kind of trickery here.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Where you can still try to get your clock on
the emergency it would be a runoff.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
But yeah, I'm just.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Trying to think of any way you can still try
to get your ball out there, because that is a
big difference. If you're a kicker in the whole game,
you're used to having that one. Because of the circumstances,
you're hurried out.

Speaker 3 (41:43):
You just got to roll with this.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
What's there, Well, it's a good chance to do our
mid show news here, so let's we'll start the first
one on kicks. I saw an interview with Greg Olsen
from Fox who said a really interesting thing. He said
that basically, nowadays, the NFL coaches have agreed that inside
the fifteen there's really never any reason to kick a

(42:06):
field goal, and his argument was this, First of all,
obviously seven is greater than three, but he said, coaches
are starting to think, look, if I make the kick,
the average starting has been the thirty five yard line
all year, so they're going to get the ball at
the thirty five if I make the kick. If I

(42:26):
get stopped inside the fifteen, at least they have the
ball inside the fifteen. So he's like, I'd rather have
the chance at the touchdown then get three points and
give them twenty plus yards. I'd never really thought of
it like that, but that's actually very interesting and seems
to make sense to me.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yeah, there'd have to be I don't know, maybe fourth
and five. I don't know where you would get your
cutoff of where you're going for it, but it absolutely
makes sense, especially with the new kickoff and your spot
on them, and in the NFL, you're going to trust
your defense and if you get stopped, all right, they
started five yard.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
I mean, it wasn't that long ago that you got
it at the twenty and now that we'll again trying
to encourage kickoff returns, it's now the way to thirty five,
so that actually it's not just now. When you see
teams go for it, I'm not going to think, well,
it's just they want to go for a touchdown. They
literally are like and if we don't, we've pinned you back. Yeah,
we've seen this is into game situations, but it's the

(43:25):
new kickoff. One completion and then a field goal have
ended games now. The kickoffs have really been an advantage
for the offenses. So I could see, what would you
change that. I know Donald Trump hates these new rules,
would you change them?

Speaker 2 (43:38):
It's taken some getting used to, but it's just part
of the game where yeah, I like strategy.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
You need a good kicker that can place it, and
you're starting to get returns, and like having a good
kick return, I might move the returner the people the
defense like five yards up. I think they're kind of
getting too I think it's too easy to get to
the thirty five or forty now. But at the same time,
I like it. I think, like the last couple of years,

(44:04):
we're just kicking them in the end zone. That wasn't anything.
We were getting nothing out of that. Yeah, you also
said you saw a video of Greg Olsen coaching seventh graders.

Speaker 3 (44:11):
Yeah, so, Greg Olsen and Luke Keickley, the former Carolina linebacker,
are both coaches on a seventh grade middle school tackle
football team, and there are some great clips of them
just being NFL intense and serious with the seventh graders
running around on the field.

Speaker 1 (44:27):
They're like they're yelling at you, oh yeah.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
Yeah, trying to It feels like they're teaching them NFL concepts,
but they're also very.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Teaching NFL concepts the seventh grade. I think.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
So, yeah, that'd be pretty cool to imagine your seventh
grader in that Charlotte area and those are your two coaches.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
Yeah, that would be kind of awesome. Who's the coach
on the other team? Yeah, maybe that. Can you imagine?
Drew and I are like, pull up and we're like,
who we played today, Greg Olsen and Luke.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Well they went undefeated and they only allowed yeah, and
they only allowed one touchdown.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
All year, so okay, good, Yeah they got a got
from lop sided getting off ark of the insurance company
late for practice to coach his kids and looking up
and seeing those guys.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Billiam my notes here. I have my next note, Jackson
Dart Construction.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
What did I mean Jackson Dark Construction?

Speaker 1 (45:16):
I mean I could see him running a construction company
later in his life if the quarterback thing doesn't work out.
But what do I mean by Jackson Dark construction construction?

Speaker 3 (45:26):
I don't know what was going on.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
Well, i'll tell you what. If you're listening to this,
then you know the news about Jackson Dark what. I
must have been writing something else and then somebody mentioned
I bet I wanted to say something else, And then
Jackson Dart was on TV and I wrote his name down.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
I was gonna say the opposite. You were going to
write Jackson Dart something, and someone said the word construction
or you heard it and you wrote that down and.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
There were people working outside my house. Well, I don't know.
It's fascinating. This is gonna be a cover zero mystery.
What did Mattine mean when he wrote Jackson dark construction
could have been I'm trying to of other word completion.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
What did you think? Back to Kickers for a second.
Did you think it hit the wire Thursday night?

Speaker 3 (46:06):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah, yeah, I think it did. Al Michael says how
Michael said it, And then he came back and said,
they tell me that it didn't. Yeah, but he didn't
seem to believe it when he said it, right.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Like telling I got a call, know that absolutely you
saw nothing.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
Yeah, so it happened earlier this year too, he was
I think he was talking about the one earlier this year.
He was saying, this is the second time it's happened,
and then there was this season, and then he would
they were He was like, actually, now they tell me
it didn't happen before, which I thought was kind of funny.
You could hear the skepticism in his voice. It's the
game where I've become convinced now I can do Hoodie

(46:42):
and suit jacket. Thankston what's his name, big Wig?

Speaker 3 (46:46):
He wears. He wears it.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
That's his go to look before it.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
It's one of those things like I'm not gonna tell
him not to do it.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
I don't think I could pull it off yet, but
he has, he has started it. It's kind of it is.
That's a trend that's going. Yeah. We should also note
the passing of Nick Mangold, the offensive lineman for many
years for the Jets. He was forty one years old.
Died after a kidney failure. I thought one of the

(47:15):
really most beautiful things I've seen in a while was
this morning when the news broke. Rex Ryan, his former coach,
was on the air on ESPN, and he got very
emotional talking about it. What a tough thing for him
to kind of I want. I guess he learned while
they were on the air that's raw to have.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
To do that.

Speaker 1 (47:32):
But I thought he did a great job. Told a
couple of good stories about him from all indications, beloved
teammate and a big part of the Jets organization.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Jets fan favorite. I mean, his family when he retired
just stuck around. I think they still lived near the
facility and then just to add to it, he's originally
an Ohio State guy from just outside of Cincinnati, and
then the Jets going beat the Bengals in Cincinnati near
his hometown of Centerville. So I know a lot of
Jets fans thought that was poetic too, coming right after

(48:02):
his passing this morning. But that was that was a
very very very popular guy gone too soon at forty one.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Yeah. I mean, anytime you know the name of an
offensive lineman, that means he's either good or very popular,
and in this case, it was both and died at
a very young age. So prayers to everyone involved and
rest in peace, and very cool that the Jets get
their first win in that in that scenario, Monday Night football,

(48:29):
Commanders and Chiefs, No, Jayden Daniels, it's gonna be a route,
am I gonna be just like listen when they get
to the fourth quarter, guest on the Manning cast, are
they gonna be talking about the game or not?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I don't even they're gonna be talking about the game.
This is this is gonna be a blowout. I went
to bet at anytime, anytime touchdown score and like there's
only Chiefs listed. You have to keep scrolling just to
even find a commander to even picked. I mean even
the books think very little.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
Eleven and a half.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Yeah, it's a big the not gonna be a lot
of points on the commander's end. I think it's gonna
be a Chiefs route. Yeah, they gave me, I mean
on paper. When they schedule that game, you think, oh,
you get at current mahomes and future mahomes in a game.
You don't get that, So probably not gonna be.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
That closet Paul.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
I think they have Paul. That would be a good game.
Guess who's going to be on the Manning cast? They
had what's her face? Heidie Gardner when the Chiefs lost
to the Jaguars. Who are other famous Chiefs fans. I
feel like they have a lot. They have a Jason Sudeikis,
does he have a project coming down? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (49:36):
I mean Taylor Swift.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Taylor Swift, I guess she is a Chief that could
get you know, they're the kind of people though they
can get them, they get they get crazy guests for that.
They have like somebody big every week.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
Well, they're gonna have a lot. They're gonna need some
time to fill.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
After this game, are they the most universally liked former
football players, Like in terms of approval rating, I think
someone has a higher approval rating than them.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
I think it's them, and I'm an example. I did
not like either one of them at all. I mean,
Peyton is a Tennessee guy, rival of Kentucky. Then he
goes to the Colts, which is a rival of the Titans.
But anything he does I enjoy. I mean, even going
back to when he hosted SNL. That's when I first thought, Man,
this guy actually has a personality beyond being a football player.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Well, they're kind of corny dads, even though they're not
really that old. They feel like I think the quarter
zips are part of it. They still have like old
miss Frat haircuts, and I think it's just like, I
don't know, everyone likes them though. I mean, the the

(50:46):
Mannings are like Dolly Parton. You know, most of these
former players, like Tom Brady's got supporters and haters.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Right.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Nobody ever thinks about Joe Montana or John Elway. But
the Mannings are probably the most popular former athletes and
they're everywhere.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Yeah, they're production company. It just turns out I turned
on what's the New the Chad Power Show. You know,
Manning Project, everything's Manning this, Manning that. But it's all
good stuff. So they've like found this whole second career
of creating content outside of football, and it's been really
fun to watch.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
And I do enjoy that show, all right. Dolphins Falcons.
Dolphins win thirty four to ten. Tua said he woke
up with two swollen eyes because he was sick. He
then said, the Dolphins medical staff fixed that. You know
what they did? I saw that, he said, his eyes
like swollen shot. How do you think they got him open?

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Fancy Miami magic down there. I was wondering when I
first saw a picture if he had gotten punched or
something with all the turmoil they've had, but ended up being.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Just what do you make in the fact though they've
been awful all year and they just roll the Falcons
in Atlanta where Atlanta has been really good. I know
Kirk Cousins was playing, but still.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, I mean Kirk Cousins is one thing, but they
held Vjon Robinson. I think he had like twenty five yards.
He's been awesome this year. He did nothing.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Tua, who has been throwing it to the other team
all season, no turnovers, four touchdowns.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
Something happened in the last week because they looked like
a completely different team on offense and defense.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
I think Mike McDaniel is now just intentionally trying to
look more ridiculous. He is looking like a Vegas pit
boss in the seventies with his glasses and he just
he he looks more and more like an art director.
No one would think his job was football. But he

(52:33):
did get a win today, So I've predicted him to
get fired after every game he doesn't. I think it
would be funny if he did get fired tomorrow after
he won.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
He'll get fired after he has been invincible this season.
We keep saying, all right on Monday and we'll probably
see the news finally happened. But nope, nope, just keeps
showing up to finally got a big win today. I
thought the two thing was done too. I did not
think to had any more life in him, but he
had played a great game today. He's hanging in there. Advisor, Yeah,
I like device. He said he had more one since

(53:02):
high school. He's gonna keep wearing it. The Visor's an
underrated head accessory. As you get older and you get
a bald spot.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Then it becomes less of a but a visor in general,
I like keeps the sun out of your eyes, but
it does it make your head sweat.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Drag, your head can breathe.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
Your head can breathe. It's a very good combination.

Speaker 3 (53:21):
I haven't switched to that yet, but I feel like
there's an age where you just go a visor mode.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:25):
I think the Mannings looked like they would wear advisors.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
Do they wear a visor? I've bet the New Balances
personal new balances are cool.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Now, did you know that?

Speaker 3 (53:32):
Yeah? Yeah, Dad, Yeah, shoes.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
That's exactly right. Get Mario some of them. Texas beat
the forty nine ers twenty six fifteen. Your boy George Kittle,

(53:56):
who created National tight End Day, did he get one?

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Both forty nine ers tight ends got one? He shared
the love that. Fortunately, that's all the points they scored
and that was the only time they scored. Mac Jones
had a rough day.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
C J. Stroud though, three hundred and eighteen yards huge win.
I think this was a win. Houston had to have
to kind of keep their season afloat, and I think
they got it. Well, I don't think they got it.
They did get it.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
Didn't have Nico Collins, which adds to how impressive Stroud's
game was. And then just like we mentioned with Bijeon
getting stuffed and doing nothing, they completely shut down.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
McCaffrey, who had a huge game last week for the
forty nine ers and was what do you only have
one point? He like third Quardy only had like two
yards or something. And then I think got some of them.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I think McCaffrey and Bijean bos for one hundred and
thirty yards. I mean both had just terrible days after
they've been had a good week last week. And credit
to the Texans for shutting them out. They went up
sixteen oh when it was didn't keep up from there,
they pulled away and won.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
It pretty easily. I will say this too, and this
is no offense to any I mean the Houston Texans.
I'm sure their fans are wonderful, They're good people. The
Houston Texans are for me football melatonin when they map,
when they come on, especially they're playing a home game,

(55:11):
it's something about it's kind of dark in there. I
don't really think anyone is that exciting that plays for him,
and I just end up dozing off as soon as
they come on. I don't know that I've can remember
minutes of these games. I'll have them on and then
I'll go, oh yeah, CJ. Stroud.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
There's just some empty seats in there. So they'll make
them play at one a lot, even though they should
be not at one o'clock games. What's even earlier for
their home crowd out there that helps with the attendance.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
It's like when they make Oklahoma play college football at
ten am local time just because the TV wants. That's
kind of how they are. Patriots beat the Browns thirty
two thirteen. We do have to say Miles Garrett five
sacks Brown's record, and he could have had more. He
was mad they took him out there at the end.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Yeah, I saw studs maybe like only a second or
third time. Someone said how many sacks and a loss?
I even have had that many times in general, but
he was pretty frustrating.

Speaker 3 (56:03):
He's a one man team.

Speaker 2 (56:04):
I don't know if they could trade him or anything,
but we're wasting a generational defensive player.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
He's going to be one of those guys who's who's
considered one of the best ever but never played for
a good team. I'm trying to think who are guys
like that in sports that are definitively considered great, But
also we never saw him play for anyone good. Trying
to think the NFL has to.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Have some guys like that defense because if it's probably gonna.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
Be somebody on defense. Oh, he's an offensive lineman. But
Joe Thomas is like that. The Brown people will always
say Joe Thomas is one of the great offensive linemen.
But I don't know the DF he even played in
a playoff game. Maybe he played one.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
So really, all the Brown's greats, that's our list. If
you're if you're great for the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
I'm trying to think what other guys are like that.
Dale Murphy, I don't know if he's considered an all
time great, but he was like a great player in
the eighties, never sniffed the playoff game.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
A lot of times, these guys in these scenarios will
go get two years somewhere for one last show.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
That's why I wonder if Garrett We'll get that opportunity.
I hope he does. The Patriots fans were chanting MVP
about Drake May. I'm not at Aaron Rodgers level hate
of Drake May, but I'm getting there. I'm getting hater status.
I don't know why he's good. Another big game, five
straight wins, but I'm starting to root against him. I

(57:27):
need an intervention.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Well, he had a big game today because Mike Rabel
changed up a long tradition with the Patriots. So what
was the tradition when Rabel was a player when they
played the Rams in that Super Bowl in.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Two thousand and Yeah, they all got it.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
They famously came out as a team.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
It was like and now introduced as one full team.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
You know, they made a big deal out of it,
and they were holding the arms.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
But that's stuck with Belichick and the Patriots for twenty
five years now. And then today Rabel said, they've earned it.
Let's start doing the player intros again. Because every other
team they announced them one by one. You run out,
you get your moment, say your name, But the Patriots
hadn't been doing that, and he went back. He got
rid of the Belichick way.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Today. It takes a little it takes a little guts
to do that. It's good because sometimes something can make
sense in the moment and then we don't feel like
we could ever change it. It's like after nine eleven,
we started singing God Bless America in the seventh into
baseball games, and in that moment that felt like this
is great. But in a July game where it's eight

(58:26):
to one Cincinnati over the Pirates, sometime I'm like, I
don't know if we still need to continue singing God
Bless America in the seventh anning. But nobody wants to
be the guy that stops God Bless America. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
Imagine you're sitting at that conference table and you're like, hey, guys,
I got an idea. I really hate to bring this up,
but what if we stop doing God Bless America.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
They're going to fire you on the spot. Yeah, but
that's what Rabel had. Rabel was kind of stopping God
Bless America. He was like, we're not gonna be team first.
He had to go, look, I get it, Belichick, Patriots away.
I was a part of it.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Fleuly get it.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
But let's let the guys dance and have their music.
I do think it was important they were playing the
Browns because he needed to pick a game that they
would win so that people then wouldn't say, you know,
and it helps that he was a part of that
original team. I think that helps him be able to
throw that tradition away too. And just for the record,
I'm not anti God Bless America. If anybody's clipping.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
This anti Drake may Aaron Rodgers, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
Saying I don't know if God bless them. It's twenty
five years. I don't know if we still need to
play because it's in the seventh inning. I still think
God blesses America in the fifth inning. It's a great song.
You know, you just mean it's hard to stop a
tradition starts. I would argue that of the our patriotic songs,
the actual national anthem is the worst of the three.

(59:49):
Start speaking, but I would say America America, the Beautiful
and God Bless America are both better than the national anthem.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
I'm afraid what's gonna come on next?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Next?

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
Well?

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Do you agree with that? What do you think about
the Statue of Living? I'm for it. It's beautiful now.
It was donated by friend. But I'm kidding. I like
to stat you alive. Am I the only one that
thinks about beautiful and God Bless America are better than the.

Speaker 3 (01:00:12):
Next beautiful song?

Speaker 5 (01:00:13):
You're probably right, I just haven't broken it down. You
just don't think about these things. Bucks beat the Saints.
You're a Bucks fan. I didn't watch. I saw Tyler
Shuck play, but otherwise didn't watch any of it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
I was a sleepy game for both teams. I mean
it was seven to three at a half time. You
guys both predicted Saints to win and that did not happen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
For bringing that up, what about all the ways we
got right? Who predicted Saints to win?

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I think you guys, I'll never predicted Saints.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
At least Bucks.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Well, you took it to come.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
Your Tampa did get stopped? What seven of eight places?
The one line?

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
I mean it was it was Mark Stoop's s just
running up the middle.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
How many times in a row can we do it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:52):
But this is a big win for them, just you know,
before they're bye week, they've got a two game lead
on the NFC South, So another another good victory.

Speaker 1 (01:00:59):
What I did see of this game were sad shots
of the crowd for the Saints. The Saints fans get
shown in the crowd more than any other fan base,
in part because they're festive people. They're usually nance and
and partying, but they look so sad today. All these
people were dressed in not just beads, there were like
fluorescent and people had on Saints gear. They had the

(01:01:20):
mat the No Limit Versus Cash Money U battle the
night before on Versus, so people were very excited about that,
and they just look so sad during the game. It
made me sad.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
You gotta understand why they're sad. You put that outfit on,
you're so excited, and then you're watching Tyler Shuck Spencer
quarterback Spencer.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
Part of the problems are both of their names that
Rattler and Shuck. I mean, like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
And shuck. It's not even tardy.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Hardy gets shuck out of how he spells it. I
feel like I wouldn't Rattler and Shuck would be the
name of a law firm that would couldn't even be
on the side of the bus. It would sitcom Rattler
and Shuck. By the way, you know it's on Netflix
now it's Franklin and Bash. That's actually who I was
thinking of when I'm just gonna tell you if you want,

(01:02:11):
if you want a guilty pleasure, don't act like it's deep. Okay,
it's not deep. As Mark Paul Gossler and then that
one guy who's in all those like a marriage by
road trip movies. But Franklin and Bash. If you want
to go to sleep the show so it holds up.
I remember when it was new. It's been a while.

(01:02:33):
Well I haven't seen it since then, but it's back
in my missel it saw was on there. I also
do it my first watch through Gossip Girl. Not good.
Already got to that one. Yeah, I'm probably gonna quit. Finally,
Colts beat the Titans thirty eight to fourteen. As usual,
I give you the floor to rant about your Titans,
who got obliterated once again.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
Well, we were a fourteen and a half point underdog.
You don't see that very often in the NFL, but
that was a lock. As you can see, Colts win
by twenty four. It is our second loss to the
Colts this season by more than twenty points. We also
have six double digit losses already this year and it's
only week eight. If anyone's keeping up with that. Just
a great time to be a Titans fan. Mike McCoy,

(01:03:14):
it's been a pleasure. Thank you for serving us for
two weeks. I don't think you're gonna be the answer
our kicker sly, it's been nice knowing you two as always.
Let's just clean house ward, We'll keep you. But there's
just there's nothing to hold on to to be excited about.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
How does it feel that you've lost the city of
Nashville to Vandy?

Speaker 3 (01:03:33):
Oh wow, good point.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Thank you for that. I mean you have Vandy is
much more Nashville is much more a Vandy town now
than they are in Titans town.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
Also adding to it, this might be a little deep
in the Titans fandom, but we had a long time
radio announcer Mike Keith.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
You might know Bill, Yeah, I knew him personal sack.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
You knew him personally? I used to Oh, that's right,
you did. I forgot that. Okay, Well I miss him dearly.
It's his first year without he he left to be
the Balls play by play guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
I saw him in Lexington in the elevator and I said,
miss Mike Keith, Titans, you know, we could really use
some happiness right now, and he just kind of grunted
at me, and that was our conversation. I thought, Mike
Keith's walking off. Mike Rabel just beat us about fifty.
Derrick Henry just broke a record with the ravens aj
Brown starting to get touchdowns in Philly again. It's like,
it's unbelievable what we had just a few years ago

(01:04:25):
and now it's all gone.

Speaker 1 (01:04:26):
Would you like to have Diego Pavia. Yes, actually give
me Diego Pobby. Let's just be the circus team. I
think it'd be more fun. Theobam would at least come
out in your city. And he chooses to go to
the Vandy games instead of the Titans.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
Everyone does.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Ny Bargotzi does Game Day, Kenny Chesney. There's no doubt
about it that Vandy is the is the hot team
in Nashville right now. Yeah, well, there you go, Titan.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
It's just it's so bad to love a team and
there's no hope, and you get up and you sit
down and you turn it on, you watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
Make free game and you just know what it is,
but you do it anyway. Well, you're a loyal fan.
Colts seven and one one believing in him. Yeah, I've
been believing, but not Super Bowl believing. No, I've been
superl believing. I've been Daniel Jones MVP belie. Although Taylor
had another three TV game, He's the Star. Yeah, it's

(01:05:23):
like third or fourth of the year. So I actually
would argue Jonathan Taylor, yeah, should be the MVP. He
won't get picked because he's running back, but I would
actually argue, you probably should.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
My Daniel Jones take is a couple of weeks old.
Taylor just keeps getting three touchdowns. It's incredible. Well, all right,
thank you all very much for joining us. If you
know what I meant by Jackson Dark construction, let me know.
It was either about Jackson Dart or about construction. We're
gonna figure it out. I'm fairly certain it wasn't about both.

(01:05:52):
But if you can figure that out, let me know.
Tell your friends.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
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