NFL Cover Zero: NFL Week 5 Upsets, Statements Wins, and MVP Race

Matt Jones and Drew Franklin begin with three big upsets in NFL Week 5.  Matt is back from South Africa and there are no more undefeated teams in the NFL!  The Bills and Eagles lose and the Jets are the only team in the league without a win.  Fans got statement wins from Drake Maye and Bo Nix.  Did the Bucs and Seahawks both come out of the game looking better, even with Seattle losing?  Matt weighs in on the current MVP race.  

How do Vikings fans feel about Carson Wentz or JJ McCarthy?  How did the Texans put together this win over the Ravens? Matt wonders what happens when Lamar Jackson comes back to the team. Jaxson Dart comes back to Earth and Spencer Rattler gets his first career win.  Drew is impressed with Dak Prescott's play this season. There's no doubt that the Colts are for real, but Matt feels bad for Pete Carroll. 

The Panthers are a curious team, but Matt has really enjoyed their announcer, Eric Collins. Titans-Cardinals could've had the craziest play of the season.  A tough loss for the Chargers and the Chiefs are knocking on their door on Monday Night.  Matt is stunned over what the AFC North has become.  

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
NFL Covers Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is
a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast Okay Week
five NFL Cover zero Podcast. I'm Matt Jones along with
Drew Franklin. It is We're taping this about eleven thirty

(00:30):
five at night. They've just finished Sunday Night Football. The
Patriots with a huge upset on the road, take out
the Bills in what is a huge upset day. All
around three massive upsets, the three biggest spreads each went
the other way. Drew back from South Africa, excited to.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Be with you.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
You're wearing a Titans hat because your team actually won
a game today, which is exciting.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Good to see you after all. That's after three weeks
on the road. It's nice to do this in person again.
I'm surprised we actually managed to get through without many
technical difficulties. Well it just started when I was calling
your but I'm saying it's much Yeah, obviously we don't
have technical differences right now. It's one minute in. But no,
it's good to have you here, and I'm amazed we
were able to get through the South Africa trip is

(01:15):
as easily as we did we were, Yeah, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
It was kind of kind of amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
We got through it.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
You know, started in Cape Town, the city on the
southwestern corner of the of the Globe. You know, my
my tour guide got very angry that I said on
this show that it was the southernmost tip of Africa.
He was like, the Cape of Good Hope is the
southwestern most tip of Africa. So I want to be

(01:41):
clear for all the geography people that it wasn't the
southern it was the southwestern. Then went and saw the animals,
the safari and then went to Johannesburg.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Or is the locals call it joe Burg? Oh, joe
Burg they call it.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
They don't have time for the hannas. Okay, just shoring
that up a little bit to see what you got
places to me, you can't say Johannesburg, you say, you
say joe Burg.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
Well, Wednesday we did the show without you. We were
wondering how you could possibly travel for a day without
a phone. So that had to have been excruciating. On
how long was that flight? Uh, sixteen hours without a phone?
I had.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I had an iPad, so I watched I'm watching the
show next. Have you seen the show next on HBO
Max or no task task and say next, I know
it was one word task. I haven't seen that one either. Okay,
better than next. I do recommend it. It's about, you know,

(02:37):
an FBI agent and criminals and all that.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
But it's it's it's really it's really good.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
So I did that finish the Gilded Age and you know,
sixteen hour flight.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
It's a long flight. Yeah, we're worried about you. That's
a long time. You just glad you had the iPad.
We were wondering if you were just staring at the
head rest dog yeah, braw dog and it just staring
straight ahead, waiting lines for boarding passes, all the fun
stuff they You know, you feel like after sixteen hours,
I've been on the plane, like six hours.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
No one had offered me a drink of anything. So
I walked up to the flight attendant and I said,
I could I get like some water. I didn't even
ask for anything. I just asked for water, and she
just points and goes, there's a bottle over there somewhere,
some water fountain your back, just some dripping from the

(03:25):
ceiling if you wanted, But nevertheless, here glad to be
here and what a day in the NFL. So I
mentioned the three biggest spread teams, the Bills, the Eagles,
and the Cardinals all lose, all lose at home. Actually,
you had five different games today there was double digit

(03:47):
deficits that a team was down where they came back
and then won the game, which is a pretty crazy statistic.
And we now are five weeks into the season and
there are no more undefeated teams and you know which
means that tradition that's been going on, where what is
the seventy two Dolphins get together and all take a drink.
That's this may be the earliest in any season they've

(04:10):
gotten to do that.

Speaker 2 (04:10):
Assuming there are some of them that are still alive,
they're probably right now popping champagne since that game just ended.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
But this was Senior Citizens Center in Boca Ray.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
This week can't last for a reminder that the NFL,
you know there you never know teams are good, but
any Sunday, nobody go down. I mean like nobody. Nobody's unbeatable.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I mean, think about it, you have Let's just look
at the Bills and the Eagles, I mean Broncos and
the Patriots both going to those two teams. You know,
those are solid playoff contending teams, but you assume, well,
you're at home, if you're great, you're gonna win. They
both end up losing. And you know, now, like I said,
no one is undefeated. The Jets are the only team

(04:51):
without a win. So NFL parody reigns.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Yeah, if we did our power rankings every week, it'd
be quite a few changes weekend week out. You know,
a team I had second for many weeks might be
top fifteen. Now at this point, it's just we fend
some results the last couple of weeks we have.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
So we should probably just start, uh with the game
that just ended, which was the Patriots. Drake May and
comes down, gets a drive, leads to a field goal.
They beat the Bills on the road. Throughout the second
half of this game, I just kept thinking, Okay, here's
where here's here's where the Bills get it right here,

(05:28):
here's where they end up making the run, Here's where
they here's where Josh Allen does something. And then the
Patriots kept making place huge defensive stop on some passes
on the on the Bills drive led to a field goal,
and then Drake May makes a couple of amazing throws,
including one that gave us the Chris Collinsworth he got

(05:52):
he gave us with oh, Drake Drake May, so you
got that, which was exciting.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, Drake May didn't throw a touchdown, but he had
some great throws. Tonight felt like, you know, Drake May
has been good all season. I think he's top five
in quarterback rating, but this felt like you're still laughing
at this. I mean that it's just an interesting way
to put it, but listen, this felt like a Drake
May Prime time out here party. Yeah, this is good

(06:21):
all year, but this was like his his big moment
if I'm breaking through and I want to be one
of the stars too. Aroized.

Speaker 1 (06:27):
They showed him on the screen and it occurred to
me that I wasn't one hundred percent sure what he
looked like like and it's no I mean, I'm serious.
You know, he doesn't have a face that I think
most people do. You think fans would have known his face?
You don't see a lot of Drake May commercials. Yeah, right,

(06:47):
he's pretty average looking and he just looks like a guy.
And so when they showed him up there, I was like, oh, okay,
This is definitely his his breakout performance. You know, they
are all these second year quarterbacks. There would have been
one ranking of them coming into the year. I wonder
if it'll be a different one this time. But you know,
both of these games where teams went on the road

(07:08):
and got the victory, it's second year quarterbacks making the
place bo Nicks against Eagles and then Drake May tonin.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yeah, just just felt like a statement game for him.
It helps, you know, doing it against Josh Allen and
Buffalo adds to it in the division.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
So are you a believer in Well, first of all,
you believe her in Drake May specifically, Yeah, I think
he's already answered a lot of questions so far.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
This year's stats have been pretty awesome through five weeks.
But tonight, especially if I'm a Patriots fan, I'm comfortable
knowing that we have Drake May for a long time
as our quarterback.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
Yeah, I mean he's This is the Bills since they
kind of had taken over the division, have owned the
Patriots and you get it, you get them on the road. Now.
I will go ahead and go on record as saying
I will bet any amount of money that anyone wants
to put on that the Bills go win in New England.

(07:57):
Anybody want to book that bat the Bills will win
the repeat game in New England. But it is it
is a welcome to uh real events again to the
Patriots victory. What the plays down the stretch though, the
play that made that made Chris collins Worth. Phil Tingley thoughts,
that was an amazing throw. I mean he's sitting there

(08:17):
stiff arming him with one hand falling down, throws it
up and hits it perfectly. That's that's a I mean,
that's a that's a my homes Allen ass play.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yeah, it's not just that he won the game and
his stats are good. He had at least three throws
where you get really excited about him as your coreby
that one with the stiff arm that got collins Worth
extra excited. There's another going viral now where it's kind
of the camera behind him in the end zone where
he throws one to Digs downfield and then also driving
down the field and set up that that game win

(08:47):
he field, they had another great throw, So he just
a couple of highlight reel plays in addition to a
good game all the way around.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
It's interesting watching the Bills, like their receivers don't get open.
I mean at the end, like Josh Allen gives them.
He scrambles and gets so much time on the drive
where they tied the game, there were three straight plays
where he had six or seven seconds to get the
ball off and his receivers just don't get open. I
think sometimes with him, and this was like this with

(09:13):
the Chiefs last year. The quarterback is so good that
we don't sit there and say who is he throwing
it to? Because the Bills cast of wide receivers, especially
with Stefan Diggs on the other team, you see, they
just don't have guys who can get separation.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
I was about to add that, adding to not having
the separation you want you have digs when you have
like one hundred and fifty yards tonight. I know it's
been a while since he was a Bill, but that
was their guy for a long time, and kind of
a big breakout game for him with the Patriots too.
You might have a little Drake May Stefan Diggs tandem
that could could have something going for a little while.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Do you does this change your view at all on
the Bills? You just go, hey, it's one game. No
one who cares, not at all. I mean, no one's
going undefeated anymore. You gotta lose somewhere.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
I wouldn't have thought it would have been at home,
but you know, Patriots are a good team. It doesn't
shock me that this happened if somebody was gonna get him.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Survivor Pools, tough day for those, Thankfully for us, I
forget we. I wasn't able to be here Wednesday, so
we didn't have to do it because we might Drew.
I guess, Billy, you and I are the only two left.
Drews out, but you and I both might have both
got eliminated.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
We got lucky.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
A lot of upsets today. Yeah, but so Survival Pools.
I think I saw at the one is circa the
Big one. Maybe seventy percent of all entries went out today,
so because the top three choices all lost.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
Yeah, it's only be five weeks in the season. We've
had at least two Sundays where the mega favorite, you know,
more than a touchdown favorite, lost out right, So Bill's out.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Earlier in the day, the Eagles lose at home to
the Broncos twenty one to seventeen, Eagles were up seventeen
to three to start the game. The offense was just cooking.
I mean they were getting long drives. They were actually
getting aj Brown the ball, which made him not whine.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
What is it? I don't understand what.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
They won the Super Bowl and they were four and
oh and he's still whining. That's your gets your guy?
Why is he like that?

Speaker 2 (11:04):
He wants the ball after the game on the play
where you know it's kind of questionable he let up
or it hurts throw up. He denies it though after
the game.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Well, I mean, what's he gonna say. I didn't let up.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
I mean A J.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
Brown quit on that route. He just quit.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Well, if you disagree, you disagree. No, no, but I'm
saying after the game he was asked and he said, no,
he missed me. So that is not going anywhere. Oh no,
so you think they don't maybe they don't like each No,
they were buddies. That's how he left the Titans. Jalen
Hurts was facetiming him. There was a famous screenshot of
them like celebrated.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Okay, but what he's a receiver. Receivers when they're not
getting the ball, you don't look at your quarterback and
say you miss me. He quit, he quit on that route.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
He did died. But this is a receiver. This is
any receiver would do this. This is receiver behavior. You're
not getting the ball, you're not having the statu you want.
You're gonna pout and call out your quarterback. But you
agree that he quit. Oh yeah, yeah, it's obvious. Okay,
that's what I thought. But they have this is this
is not just this week. This is this is brewing
with AJ Brown. They beggar figure it out because I mean,

(12:07):
you're a Super Bowl contender. Sure you could win it
without him, but you don't need this lingering All year.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
I was arguing on my ESPN show with Meyer Metcalf
this month was like, why don't people give the Eagles respect?
Everybody talks about how they're not playing well, but they're
four to Oh, they come off a Super Bowl win
and then this is why you see it, because they
score seventeen points and then they just get mud. They
just cannot move the ball and all those plays that
were working with AJ Brown don't work. It was the

(12:32):
first time the Broncos have won in Philly since nineteen
eighty six, when John Elway was able to win there.
That's a long long time for a streak of losing. Now.
Granted they only play there like every eight years, Okay,
so maybe it's not that impressive.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
But still it's a long time. Yeah, And the most
impressive is that they did it. You know, we've had
our bow knicks jokes here and there, but he was
he was very awesome in that fourth quarter. Yeah, I
think you only had one incompletion and they had three
straight scoring drives. I mean, let's talk about those three drifts.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
To switch and completely change the game. So talk about
those three drives. Seventeen three, fourteen minutes to go in
the fourth quarter. He leads him down the field, score
seventeen ten. Then I think it's three and out for
the Eagles. Get the ball back to Denver. They drive
down and they score and it's seventeen sixteen, and Sean
Payton at that moment decides to go for two. I am,

(13:26):
I am, mister, be aggressive. All right, there's nowhere, especially
if you're Denver, you're on the you know you're an underdog.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Go at it.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
I couldn't believe they went for two there. I mean,
that was an amazing call. In that moment, because if
they don't get it and you lose by one, you're
opening yourself with a ton of criticism.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yeah, that shocked a lot of people. Had to be
one of those things where he just saw that they
were doing whatever they wanted on the Eagles in that
fourth courter in that moment. So you think they had
all of them that had to have been in because statistically,
I know you're the road team. That's just not something
you see done in the pros very often. So it
must have just been a coach looking at an Eagles
defense that was just on their heels and couldn't get

(14:05):
any stops and but let's just see if we can
do it one more time.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
But that was very surprising. You know, I don't want
to believe in bo Nicks. Bo Nicks for me is
kind of like Theovonughne. So like everything about Theovonne makes
me want to not like him. All Right, he was
on road rules. A lot of people forget that. His

(14:29):
stand up comedy is awful, and to be fair, has
always been awful. He's kind of politically aligned differently than me,
and he seems at times like an idiot.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Bo Nicks same way Okay.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Yet when I see Theovaughn and I watched clips from
his podcast, they made me laugh.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
He genuinely makes me laugh.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
And then I see him ask questions and sometimes I'm like, well,
he kind of seems like a good guy, right, And
then I see like he bombed his Netflix Shit special
and he did like an hour long just sort of
explaining how hard things have been and like really opening
it up, and I was.

Speaker 2 (15:11):
Like, well, that's a good characteristic.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
So I end up going I shouldn't like THEO Vaughn,
but I think I do. Bo Nick's the same way.
I don't like the way he plays. I don't think
he makes good decisions, and everything I saw at Auburn
and Oregon tells me he's not going to be successful,
and yet he keeps playing well and he keeps winning,

(15:34):
and I think he's theovonning me. I think I think
bo Nix is theovonning me into liking him. He needs
a mullet, he needs to grow mulla just go full THEO. Yeah,
he has been a surprise.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
I mean you think about how there are stats and
how you know he started at Auburn as a freshman
then felt like he was in college forever and you
just didn't think the NFL career would be there. But
he's he's been passing the tests this year, but he was.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
A That's a huge victory for them on the road.
And between the Broncos and the Patriots, who do you
think has a better chance of making noise?

Speaker 2 (16:07):
I've lean the Patriots really Yeah. I just even though
Box has been good, Drake May tonight really made some
throws and passed the tests that I think puts him
on another tier. Bo Von that's the Nicks. Did you
see THEOBA when he was on road rules back in
the day, Yeah, I remember that one.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Well yeah, and then he just disappeared off the planet
and now he's, you know, the most important guy, just
like Bo Nicks. Your Bucks win in Seattle thirty eight
thirty five, that was the best game of the day.
Drew back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.
Really the question was who was going to blink? And
it was Sam Darnold. Who throws an interception? Uh, where

(16:47):
did you say, Billy? Earlier you were saying that the
interception was off the easy, off the easy of the
Bucks player and then intercepted the easy.

Speaker 3 (16:59):
Yeah, you know, basketball off the easy move not familiar.
Oh no, yeah, you throw it off of their head.
It's called off the easy.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
That's a move that people do a lot.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
I mean, Drew, can you back me up here?

Speaker 2 (17:11):
Off easy?

Speaker 3 (17:12):
You ever heard that?

Speaker 2 (17:13):
I mean I've probably heard off the easy at one
point when you when you said it in conversation about
the interception, I had no idea what you're talking about.
I don't know if it was like part of the helmet. Yeah,
I've not heard that used a lot. I watched the game.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I did not hear Kevin Harlan say anything was off
the easy, but he but he did throw it off
the helmet.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
I take off the easy as more is like off
the hook off. This is off the chain. You know,
it's cool, not literally off the heads the easy, not
how Billy uses.

Speaker 3 (17:42):
Yeah, that's not correct.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
But the Bucks get a field goal at the end.
They win this.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
I actually thought this is a game where both teams
come out better. To be honest, I thought they both
were impressive. You know, Donald throws the interception at the end,
that's what happens. Whatever, But Baker mayfield another exciting road victory.
They have four wins. Drew in the last minute. They're
four to one. In every game they've won has been
in the last minute.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
They've been so exciting this year. I'm jealous of Billy
as a Bucks fan. I think I said this last week.
They're just a team that this season, every single game
you've wanted to watch their finish. And then today with
it being Donald versus Mayfield, who had that being the show?
Are they in the same draft? Yep first and there
both on the Panthers at the same time. The guy's

(18:26):
great Carolina couldn't get either to work. And then today
they combined for like seven hundred and fifty yards. I
believe I saw there was like ten incompletions between them combined.
I mean, they just both put on a great show today.
It was an absolute shootout between two guys. If we
had said this three years ago that in twenty twenty
five we'd watch a Donald Mayfield shootout, I don't think
anyone will go.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
Do you. If you're Tampa Bay, you say, well, they
ford one. They've won four games in the last minute.
But sometimes that stuff regresses to the norm and you
end up losing those games. But I think this is
an impressive one to go on the road play in
the late slot at Seattle.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Get a win Seattle.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
I think is Is has been a sneaky good team
that people don't talk about. Darnold just blinks. But Baker Mayfield,
you know, he was what fifth or sixth in that
quarterback poll. I think if you did an MVP race
right now, like Baker wouldn't be a crazy I mean,
think about the MVP for.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Just a second.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's not gonna be Lamar right, Nope, So you got
what Josh Allen, Jonathan Taylor, Daniel Jones can't be Daniel Jones,
but I think, but I do you think it could
be Jonathan Taylor? I think you would say Josh Allen,
Jonathan Taylor, Patrick Mahomes and then maybe next Baker Mayfield

(19:46):
And would he be?

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Would he before? I wouldn't put had a bad day today.
I wouldn't put Taylor in just because they won't give
it to a running back. So Mayfield is certainly in
the top five may top three zones over Jonathan Taylor.
They're not giving it to Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Died what what Billy whis he say? They wouldn't give
it to Jonathan Taylor. He's been amazing do they ever
give it to a running back? Often?

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Drew's right, they don't give it to a lot of
running backs. But he did score three touchdowns today. Again, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
Think here's what's gonna happen with Jonathan Taylor. You write
this down. Jon Taylor's probably not going to get it,
but there's going to be a lot of people who say,
why don't we give this to running backs? And there'll
be a push to include Jonathan Taylor for that reason.
So if Josh Allen and the Bills drop a couple,
if the Colts finished thirteen and four, which I don't

(20:35):
think they will, but let's say they do, I think
he'll be a contender. But my point is Baker Mayfield,
if it was like a Heisman and you invited five people,
I think he'd be on the list right now.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
On the running back thing, is someone that watched Derek
Henry do magical things for years and never get considered.
They're just never it's a quarterback award. Is Dak like Henry?

Speaker 1 (20:54):
No, Dak should be on the m Dak would be
if you were if you were actually in the NFL's
in quarterback. If you were to invite the five people
to the finals after five weeks. I think you would invite.
You would in buy Josh Allen, Jonathan Taylor, Patrick Mahomes,
Dak and Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
Yeah, Baker's got to be in the top five. I
think that would be the five, right, I mean Mahomes.
I guess depending how they finish Matt Stafford.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
They'll see what happens tomorrow night. But I think that's
what you would do. A couple of things from the game.
Did you notice the flag on the headbutt of Leonard Williams?
Were all three officials? Yeah, through the flag in the
air in sequence. It was like a magical ballet moment.
I love that. You very rarely get art in a

(21:41):
football game. I thought the three flags flying in the
air together was art.

Speaker 2 (21:45):
I don't know what they call those, but occasionally they
have like videos online where people will do the same
motion at the same time, like we're living in a simulation.
Look at this. That felt like one of those. How
all three of them at once? The flags you could
like put a string across them in there or where
they're on the exact level plane. That was maybe one
of my favorite highlights of the entire Sunday.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
They could you know that it was one of the
more impressive art shop. Probably up until that moment, the
best art moment I'd ever seen was when a local
museum in town had their grand opening.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Actually, we can't talk about what they did. They did
other stuff for fun. Yeah, they did other stuff that.

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Yeah, probably not good for this podcast, but nevertheless, this
was I think right up there with it.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
And then if you committed the penalty though, you're like, yeah, okay,
I mean clearly I messed up everyone at once. Yeah,
I'll take it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
They also wore throwback uniforms that were Did you like
the uniforms for both the Bucks and the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, the Bucks wore these earlier in the year. And
I think you asked me what favorites I'd like to
see come back, and I said the Seahawks. I like,
hated them in the early nineties, but it's just weird.
Over time, these things come back around. I'm a big
throwback guy, and today I liked the cream Sickle and
the old Hawks. You cream Sickles should just come back,
just make it permanence.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
Man, do you think do you think Tampa Bay with
fans would just prefer if that was the logo.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Now, yes, but you want a Super Bowl with the
other one.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
We did, but those creams Cole oh and sixteen days
are long behind us now.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
So now you can have Yeah. By the way, I
want to go back. I forgot something on the Broncos Eagles.
They showed in the locker room Sean Payton giving a
speech when the game was over. Sean Payton is talking
to his team and it seems like they are being
engulfed by wildfire smoke. Have you seen the video of that?

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, it's I mean sometimes there'll be like some victory cigars,
you know, a little smoke in there. Whatever, have your
fun this. I was watching it, like, do they need
to evacuate? Is there a planning place to get them
out of the Yeah? And you can barely see them
in the camera, and it.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Felt like no one was concerned. So I was wondering,
I mean, do we know what was happening? Because even
the announcers didn't address it. I'm gonna guess they brought
their own fireworks and shot them off inside.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Not as exciting as you might think. Denver has smoke
machines that they play after a.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Win in the locker room.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
Yes, yes, so that didn't look like it said that
looked like a dangerous situation. It was dark.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Wait man, so hang on a second. They get into
the locker room after the game, a closed space, and
somebody's just starts shooting smoke.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Into the air.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
On the explanation on New York Post, it is smoke
machine that Denver has after wins.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
Did Lincoln Financial Field to prove this seems like a
fire hazard.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
I can't imagine. I can't imagine. The players are like,
you know, they win and everybody just go and you
just smoke comes flying at you and excuse me, that's
something for fans, that's not for us. I like, they
see you're saying.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
They do that every game.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
After every win.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
So there's probably someone on staff whose job is to
carry the smoke machine two away locker rooms and make
sure they have smoke smoke ready.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
What a bizarre celebrate. That's what it would be like,
shooting off fireworks inside.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
I don't approve this. Yeah, well go look at that video.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's it does not look like a situation that you
would you would recommend the Vikings this morning beat the

(25:35):
Browns twenty one seventeen. I thought this was one. I mean,
first of all the Browns, you know, Dylan Gabriel. I
guess it was kind of cool to see him out
there for the first time.

Speaker 2 (25:47):
D his boy DG. Were you impressed if I was
a Browns fan, Yeah, I mean it's better than Flacco.
I mean, you didn't win the game, but I at
least want to see more Gabriel. He didn't. I don't
think he had a touchdown. He didn't have a turnover either.
He just he was just good throws.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
Who's just out there? It's seven team fourteen Browns. Carson
Wentz gets the ball three and a half minutes to go.
I don't think anybody in America thought eighty yard touchdown drive,
but he did it methodically. Carson Wentz goes down the field,
scores with just I think twenty five seconds left. I mean,
timing absolutely perfect, takes the exact right amount of time

(26:25):
off the clock. You know, if you're the Vikings. When
JJ McCarthy comes back, is it Carson Wentz's team.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
That's what's weird. They're so excited about McCarthy. Then you
hear have old man Wentz on his sixteen and six
years looking about as good as you can expect to McCarthy.
So I don't know. I don't I guess they have
to go back because he's your young future. But Wwentz
has done nothing to take it back from me.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
What they're three and two. They should have won last week.
They should be four and one. You know, I mean,
who gives you a better chance to win today, Carson
Wentz or JJ McCarthy probably still McCarthy. Okay, well then
if you believe that, then you definitely mean Winz fin
But it was the Browns in London. Yeah, but he
played well in the game before they went to Lot.

(27:10):
I don't disagree, So I mean I would at least
consider it because I think when they get back, McCarthy
will be healthy, so they're gonna have to make a decision.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
Part of it is just it's the same thing I
said about Flacco going to Gabriel Wilson going to Dart.
It's like, at some point, okay, the old man's winning,
but we all know this is he's just holdover for
a little bit, like let's at least try to get
some excitement for the future. But he's been good. The
big story of this is Jordan Addison caught the game

(27:38):
winning touchdown after being suspended for being out all night.
He didn't play the first quarter he went out. Oh,
I didn't play. He was out all night in London.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
So he stayed out all night.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
Well, I guess they're not going to tell us exactly
how lad he was. But he got missed curfew, Yes, missed.
Well then why did he meet curfew? I mean, I mean,
I'm looking at a person right now, and Drew Franklin
that I think you used to work better the longer
you stayed at Jordan Addison's my spirit animal.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
I mean, probably the best thing that you've written, at
least when we were doing national stuff. You and I
was an article you wrote after staying out literally all
night in New York City. We walked into a hotel
room and they only had one bed, and you looked
at me and said, I am not sharing a bed
with you. I will see you in the morning. And
you just went out and stayed out literally all night.

(28:24):
Came back and got in the car and went with us,
had a great time, and we drove from New York
to Charlottesville, Virginia, not a short drive. Duke played Virginia
and basketball, and you wrote a great story with no
sleep having stayed out all night. You're the Jordan Addison
of writing. I would say Jordan Addison is the Drew
Franklin of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
I really will never know what Jordan Addison did, but
as someone who has an appreciation for we did was
the out Just club until five am? I don't know.
There's a lot of speculation online. There's I guess a
picture with him of a rapper roll late at night.
Jefferson kind of called him out in the press conference afterwards,
but I mean he had the game winging touchdown. What
do you want from the man? You have you been

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to London? I have not.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
So when you go out late at night in London,
everywhere you go, people just want to eat like Alla
like they want to eat like kebabs. Sounds perfect, but
at like one am, but nobody eats them during regular hours.
I guess the equivalent would be like an America waffle house. Okay, right,
and so there'll just be the later it gets in London,

(29:29):
the more slabs of meat are in your face just everywhere.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
It's right in my alley. That's what I do in
New York. That's exactly find me all the street meat
piled up.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
So I think Jordan Addison was out with his street meat,
comes in, gets the touchdown.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
I got a new favorite plan.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
Now, the Vikings did almost lose the game on a
kick that hit the camera cable. Now Will Richard does
a kick. If you watch it live, it just goes
straight and then slices to the right. Oddly in the moment,
no one noticed that it hit the can record, The

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announcers didn't notice, it didn't get reviewed. I don't even
know if the kicker noticed. But then after the game,
people looking on social media said, wait a minute, that
ball hit the camera wire.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
What did you make of that? I'm surprised this hasn't
happened more often. I know it's a small wire and
a small ball, but this happened in the Cowboys game
later too. With the camera you know, they have the
skycams sliding back and forth and all these new cables there.
I feel like they're just they've been cutting it a
little too close as it is, and now we're finally

(30:37):
seeing that it's actually getting in the way.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Well, I learned that it's a rule that if they
had seen it, he gets to kick again. You think
that's fair.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
You think that's a good rule. Absolutely. I mean it's
sitting like a golf course where we have obstacles in
the way. Men we're playing football. I mean, if it's
not so good, maybe we're just gonna start hanging the
American flag hanging down hoping. I mean, I have to
say these kickers are getting good.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
I think putting some traps.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Maybe have like a pendulum swinging that they got to
get the golf course. You know, the chords flap around.
He's got to curve it around. Maybe a gold ring
can hang. And if he goes to you, you.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Put the lines like on the hash marks, or like
right inside the hash marks to give you incentive to
be in the center, or you'll have to curve it
around the hash mark. I think these are this is
a good way because kicking is getting too easy.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
We've talked a lot about that. Well, if you're getting
to that one better, the defense gets to hang a
player down from the rafters swinging and he actually gets
to try to block it. Really yeah, from a cord.
Get one player like he's at a circus. He can
decide do I want to get some momentum and go
right to left, So you want.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
To go where's where he's strategy?

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Do you want to go right to? You can go
front to back, try to get the high kick. I
like it.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Okay, you know one of my one of the wrestlers
who who wrestles at ov W mister Spectacular is on
the new season of American Gladiators.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
He can do that. He can swing from the Maybe
Turbo could get signed to I saw it, Blaze. I
haven't heard what what mister Pectacular's name is gonna be? Peck?
I think I name miss Rectangular. Just fry stick with that.
It's right there. He's gonna go by Charles. My name's Jim.

(32:27):
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I don't think he needs to change. Hello, my name
is mister Pectacular.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
All right, son? What name you're gonna have on the show?

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Brian?

Speaker 2 (32:39):
I would like to be called Bradley the Texans Texans
beat the Ravens forty four to ten.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
The Texans scored on every single possession. Who cares about
the Texans? What has happened to the Ravens? Worst defense
there now? I think the lowest rated defense in the league.
This is the Baltimore Ravens. How did that happen.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
When you think of the Ravens, you think defense. I
think ed Reed and ray Lewis should be allowed to
walk into the locker room and smack all of them
in the face and so they get it together. Speaking
of the Texans, Rookie did the ray Lewis dance, tunning
them in Baltimore. That was the most upset. The defense
was all right, okay, So I saw that he did
the little ray Lewis dance. It's about forty one to ten, which,
by the way, how's that dance? Still? No, it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Like no one talks about the Icky Shuffle anymore. I
mean no, no one does the Dion, No one does
the Billy White Shoes Johnson, They don't do the dirty Bird.
But yet, for some reason, ray Lewis's dance. Why is
it sacred? Why can't he do ray Lewis's dance iconic?
My best friend Derek does it every time. Wait, and

(33:48):
it's great when he does it, But explain, But seriously,
what am I missing? Why is it disrespectful to do
the ray Lewis dance at Balton because you're.

Speaker 2 (33:55):
Mocking the tradition of the Baltimore Defense. Again, if I
would shuffle.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
I don't think t Higgins would smack me in the face.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
When you think the Bengals, I don't think anyone thinking
about the icky shuffle. When you think raven that defense
is their staple. That is like their calling card, what
Baltimore Ravens are known for. I would argue being down
forty one to ten as more of a slap in
the face of that defense, but they obviously took offense
to him.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
I think people need to do the Ray Lewis dance
every play until they start playing better.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
I mean, I'm big on the staring.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
To me exactly, it's embarrassing to me that you would
be down forty one to ten and that's the moment
you would start to show energy. Is because they did
the Ray Lewis.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
As the Titans guy. Years ago, Cam Newton did his
Superman thing and the Titans defense just snap started a fight,
and I'm like, well, maybe if we just kept him
out of the end zone, he'd stop doing the Superman dance.
So at some point you got to look in the
mirror on that.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
By the way, Zach Orr, who's a defensive coordinator for
the Ravens Hardball set up for the game. He will
be keeping his job. I don't know that it will
make any Diar. They're one and four. The Ravens just
out because Lamar's probably gonna be back next week.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
Is it too late. Probably. It's unbelievable we're having this
conversation after the Sunday night game they had in Week
one and part of its injuries. I mean, they have
like a Pro Bowl roster on their injury report right now,
but you're one in four. I don't know how you're
gonna flip the switch.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
I mean, they're decimated by injuries, but so are the
forty nine ers and they're four and one. I think
having me even with all those injuries.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, and then little things like Derek Henley fumbling three
games in a row to start the year, they just
seem completely out of sorts, even beyond the injuries.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
He did, however, get his one hundred and tenth touchdown
that tizing for fifth all time with Walter Payton.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
Congratulations King, Miss Emmitt Smith number one, one sixty four.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Well look at you, mister Statt. Who is the top five.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Emitt Smith's lt Ladanian, Tomlinson, Marcus Allen, Adrian Peterson, and
Derrick Henry good company.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
That's good. The one.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I don't know how many people would have gotten Marcus
Allen or Ladanian Tomlinson, but yeah, impressive. Emmitt Smith number one.
I don't think. I don't think I knew that. The
second half of the game. By the way, stands were
completely empty. I mean crazy. That had to be if
you're a Baltimore fan, one of the more miserable experiences
you would have had. I'm gonna go see Cooper Rush
and we're gonna lose forty four to ten.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, this team I thought was gonna win the Super
Bowl just three or four weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Giants go up fourteen to nothing early against the New
Orleans Saints. Looks like it's Jackson darts coming out party.
You can almost see the parades that are happening. It'll
be the back page of the New York Post saying, uh,
can't Dart this? You know what, Everyone's going to be excited.
They then don't score again. Jackson Dart throws two interceptions,

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has a fumble. The Saints win their first game twenty
six to fourteen. Spencer Rattler gets his first win after
starting oh to ten.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
Obviously, he listen to Cover zero. Just last week we
were talking about how he's oh and ten, and then
I believe we even reminded Spencer Raller that hang in there,
Troy Aikman, he went oh and ten. Look Raller just
a week later gets a win. He looked good today too.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
They didn't actually sneakily play pretty hard. I mean they
were good last week against the Bills. They win, but
they played well, so maybe the Saints aren't as bad
as we thought.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
And just some big plays that had an eighty seven
yard touchdown and eighty six yard touchdown was just a
very entertaining comeback for a team that I didn't think
was going to be much And then here they are
with the win. Yeah there was this quarter. This statistic
is crazy.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
This was the first win by a quarterback drafted by
the Saints since nineteen ninety eight. That is an amazing statistic.
The first Saints drafted quarterback to win a game for
the Saints since nineteen ninety eight, in a.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Year where they drafted their future quarterback Tyler Shuck. Just
sitting there watching Spencer Eler maybe turn things around.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
You would have thought, after back to back years of
picking quarterbacks. They didn't think they would get in the
game five of the season with having that be the statistic.
But Saints and Giants now both one and four. That
roughing the passer call worst ruffing the passer call of
all time.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
I still don't understand how that was called or how
that can be just fued like it made no sense
at all. What do you think the thought was? I
was roughing the pass. I think he accidentally threw it.
It's like I didn't mean to throw that. Now I'm committed.
I guess I'm gonna have to. I guess the lag
on the ground, Yeah, because he's just like shoved him
down and he had the ball.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Might that might be the worst ruffing the passer call
that's ever been ever been called in a game that
I've seen. Cowboys beat the Jets thirty seven, twenty two.
We talked a second ago about how Dak Prescott would
be an MVP. Can Cowboys with the number one offense
right now in the NFL? Uh the you know who

(38:59):
needs ceedee Lamb Pickens and Dak looking like Montana and Rice.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
There's been so many years where people have questioned, is
Dak the guy? Why did they give Dak the big
contract when they did, Dak's not the answer. The Cowboys
are finally having the Dak year they paid for and
the defense is so bad now they won today, so
good for them. It's still gonna be a long year,
but good for Dak to finally have his MVP year,

(39:25):
even though they're not gonna have the wins to lead
it to an actually MVP year. But he's looking the part.

Speaker 1 (39:29):
Dax players. This is this is peak Dak. We'll see
if he's able to keep it. Especially what if I
told you that this is the Cowboys offensive line. Here
are the five guys that started on offensive line. Sixth
round pick, seventh round pick, undrafted free agent, undrafted free agent,

(39:50):
undrafted D two free agent.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Yeah, they were down four starters today.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
That was their starting offensive line today, and they still
scored thirty seven points. Pretty impressive, right.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, the Jets defense has been bad, but I don't
care who you're playing. When you stream together a line
like that, when you're missing four members of your starting
offensive line, that's a heck of a way to go
and get a win and to scores many points as
they did.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
The Jets have yet to create a turnover this year,
five five weeks. You would think, just randomly that someone
would have dropped.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
The bulk of a fumble a bat pass. You'd look
into one somewhere. Yeah, Zero got a defensive coach. You
can't love that.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
No, the two touchdowns for Jake Ferguson. To me, the
story of the game, though, is Jordan Blue Jaden Blue.
Excuse me, Jayden Blue. Jayden Blue came into the game today.
He ended up with blisters on his feet. You ever
had blisters on your feet like bad ones? Yeah, it
could be tough to walk.

Speaker 2 (40:46):
H some a whimp the moment I even get the
sign of a blister, I like shut down for weeks,
Like I have a blister, looks like one starting to form.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
How you get one on your heel, that's the worst,
Like the ones on your heel, you can't well.

Speaker 2 (41:01):
Jade Blue got him?

Speaker 1 (41:01):
How'd he get him? Well, he got him because he
tried to practice this week. Louis Vaton cleats.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Gotta look good, look good, play good.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Did you know Louis Vauton made cleats? No? What I
wonder who I mean? First of all, football cleats. You
can't sell those anywhere else in the world. So now
we're down, and presumably not many college guys wear them,
so that's a pretty small market I would think for
Louis Vauton cleats, and this can't help the advertiser.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
No, I don't know. Sometimes guys, I get it your
young flash, you got the money, you want to show off.
If I'm a professional athlete, give me like, I don't
care what the shoe looks like, Please protect my feet.
This is my money maker. Like the someone got hurt
recently wearing like vintage Jordan's that they customized to turn

(41:51):
into football shoes, and was like, of course you got hurt.
That's not designed for football. Kind of feel like Blue
did that again today? Maybe wear your Louise from the
car to the locker room, but get serious about your football.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
When it's just me, you just wear comfortable shoes. Get
some doctor show, some hokahs, some Brooks, some hokas with
doctor Sholes.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Take care of your puppies.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
You know. I taught Billy just recently about who Mitch
Hedburg was. Do you know Mitch Hedburger the Comman? He
didn't know who it was, and we watched them. He
had the great bit about doctor Scholls he was like,
doctor Scholls, I think he wasted all that money on
an education. He said, I think you didn't have to
go to med school to figure out if you just
put cushions on your feet it'll feel better.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
I'd buy those from mister Show.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
The delivery is not exactly the same, to be fair,
but I think that's all he needed was a doctor
Scholl and a hookah.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
If you're Jaden Blue, like, how do you tell them?
How do you admit this? I would be like, definitely,
wasn't lou Vuittons. By the way, no one. I was
running on gravel before I got here. I shouldn't have
done that. Like, why confess this? You would not get
that out of me that I had moss because I
have Louis Vatan And were you wearing the Louis Vuittans again? No,

(43:03):
I had them on for one hour. I was wearing
prescription shoes. But you're an athlete getting paid millions and
you have to say I have blisters because of my lousvitons.
I just I think you need to look at your
priorities here.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Well, he clearly did not. The Colts Indiana Jones wins
forty to six against the Raiders an absolute she lacking.
Jonathan Taylor had three touchdowns, the Colts for one. At
this point, you have to say they're for real, right
they are.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I made fun of them before the season started, and
I've shut up real quickly. Heck, they almost beat the
Rams last week. Should be five and zero if not
for that fumble at the at the goal line. It's
it's incredible to turnaround they've had with a quarterback that
kind of just got thrown away and became a joke
with the NFL.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
For me, the bigger story though, is the Raiders because
when the game was over, Pete Carroll said he's seventy
three years old, and we like him because he's like out,
you know, doing like curls between games, and he kind
of reminds me of Jack l Lane. He's like juicing
on the sidelines and stuff, not like steroid juicing, like
you know, pineapples and tomatoes. But he said he is

(44:20):
quote processing losing poorly and it is hurting him. And
he said it in a way that kind of got sad,
like watching an old guy standing next to his dog
as it dies or something. That's kind of how I felt.
Is the lesson with him and Belichick. Sometimes the old
guys just need to just, you know, take up parcheesy.

(44:45):
I took it as Vegas. He's not handling it well
being in Vegas losing. Okay, he's like not handling as well.
I lose a football game and I go hit the
slots and those aren't working for me. The next thing
I know, I'm the I'm on the street begging for
money to go back in there and gamble more.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
What is par cheesy better?

Speaker 1 (45:01):
I always hear people say talking about playing parcheesy?

Speaker 2 (45:03):
What the game? But like, what is it out? Do
you know I've never played it? Is it a card game?
A board game? It's a board game? Huh. I want
to say there's a mouse involved, a mouse maybe on
like the logo or something.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
Okay, well you I think Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick
should potentially go into that because this has been a
bad return for both guys, both former Patriots coaches.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
Neither one of them has worked out. Do you think
he can turn around?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
You know?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Smith has nine interceptions.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
By the way, I don't know if I would attach
my comeback to Gino Smith the way Gino he would
do well? I did.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
I thought Gino was going to be good. There.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
They're so bad today that Anthony Richardson came in and
completed his first pass of the season. But who get
who caught it? Anthony Richardson. That's what's amazing. Our defense
is so bad. We're letting hot Dog Water come in
and complete passes to himself. Yeah, what is part cheesy?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
It's a board game with four circles in the corners.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
And uh, how do you play? Is there a mouse?

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Each player rolls a single dice to a Turan player
order first.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Man, that's what I was wondering. What order of the
play was gonna go in?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
So, yeah, thank you, Billy's gonna go through all the rules.
So first I roll the dice to see who gets
to roll the dice, okay, and then what counterclockwise? Yeah
all right, so we've done that.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
So then whoever is going first?

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (46:24):
The player rolls the dice and must use the top
most facing die PIP values shown to move their pieces
around the board in one of the falling ways. And
there are several different ways we can move this piece
around the board.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Blaine, how you decided what part of the dice had rolled?
You said, the top facing part. Isn't that what you
always do with dice.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
We're just going from top to bottom on these rules.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Billy calls it parheesy. That was good, Thank you? All right? Well,
good luck to the Raiders and their tips and it comeback.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
The Dolphins lose twenty seven to twenty four to the Panthers.
Dolphins were up seventeen to nothing in this game. We're
absolutely rolling and then it all fell apart. Rico is
it Dowdell? Yeah, Rico Dwell had over two hundred yards
he set after the game. Hey, Cowboys, we play next week.
Jerry Jones couldn't even remember my name. He'll know my

(47:35):
name next week. That's a story to watch this week.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Yeah. I watched Rico as a Cowboy for many years.
Really like him. I liked it breakout game before that,
you know, the having just lost Tyreek last week, you
wondered they'd be able to throw it around a little
bit for the Dolphins. Two ends up having three touchdowns
to three different players, but still can't get a w
out of it.

Speaker 1 (47:55):
Panthers have lost three games I think combined one hundred
and ninety five to nothing, and yet they're two and
three because they've also won two games.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Yeah, we mentioned Don wins Day. They went, they won
a game by thirty, then lost a game by thirty
the following a sixty point swing, and then now I
guess they win this one by a field goal. But
it's been a wild season for them.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
I still can't get myself to watch one of their games,
but if I was going to watch it, it would
be because of their announcer. You know, the announcer of
this game, Eric Collins. First of all, where did he
come from?

Speaker 2 (48:29):
He's the He's a famous NBA announcer. Horn He's the
Hornets guy. Oh, he's the horn They called him. Always
used to talk about him. They called him over to
try his hand in football because he's so popular. He was.
So he's kind of like Gus Johnson. I mean, when
something happens, he loses it. How does he do that
for the Hornets though? Because the Hornets never do anything exciting,
but it's just that screaming that really gets you into it.

(48:51):
So they brought him for this game. If I'm not
gonna saying, it's his first time ever doing an NFL
and they head him to his hometown Panthers. Yes, all right.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
So there's like a compilation of a couple of his
clips here, Play me, I haven't heard this.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Play me what he sounds like? Tongue stop?

Speaker 1 (49:14):
Look at him to the inshole?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Hey, Chad did he did? Look at this the inshole?
So is he like that all the time? Like I
like it? He just gets that excited all the time.
He's very popular in the NBA, very popular for that reason.

(49:41):
I mean, just listen to that. You can't help but
smile a little bit. You can't.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
But is there a point where I mean, this was
Panthers Dolphins, right, If you're giving me that for Panthers
Dolphins Week five?

Speaker 2 (49:53):
What am I? I mean?

Speaker 1 (49:54):
What am I going to get in the super Bowl?
I mean, I feel like you gotta you gotta just
show him enough for Panthers Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
Don't give him everything. No, that's why he does. Hornets
and Panthers. They're like, we cannot give you a meaningful game,
like you'll kill yourself. He just obviously combined. Doctor will
not let him do a call of playoff game. So
they're like, you get the Panthers, the Hornets, any bad
team will give you.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
We cannot give you NBA Finals, We know the NFL
has been big on Matt. We should try to get
some gas, right. We did have the Spider, Brown Spider
and his first lady. How about Eric Collins? You think
you can get Eric Collins for Wednesday?

Speaker 3 (50:31):
Billy, Yeah, we can reach out see if he's got
no not we can. Yeah, you're talking to the guy
that's gotten a lot of stuff done on this Podcat.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
He wants his Tate Ratis Jersey and his bottle of wine.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
I mean, what else do you owe me from the
last done?

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Well, okay, you got the Brown Spider.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
That was Tate Rallis Jersey. What else have you got?
The Jackson Dart anytime touchdown? That was for something.

Speaker 3 (50:56):
No, it was like a stat that you didn't think
was right and back check.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
So you want so you want a bottle of wine
from Stellenbosch, South Africa.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
Which if you haven't gotten by it's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
Hard again because I'm not there right now, but I'll
work on it. For the Tate Ralid Jersey. Do you
think you can get Eric Collins?

Speaker 3 (51:18):
I think I can.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
All right, Wednesday for the next episode, we'll see if
we have Eric Collins, I'm gonna ask him Sunday. You
need to calm down just to look. I hope he
just talks like that.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
You like how you doing? Eric got beer out all right?

Speaker 1 (51:41):
I did like for the Dolphins, even though they lost,
which is a bad loss with him. Darren Waller, I
thought he retired seven years ago, and then he not
only played after I think he was retired up until
two weeks ago. And now they played. He like dominated
the first half.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
Yeah, he came back. He had a big game on
Monday Night Football last week and then scored another touchdown today.
He stepped away for two or three years, became a rapper.
Looks like he became a rapper, really, d wall I
mean it was it was over. It was over for
d wall Yeah, and this has been a quite a
resurgence for him in Miami though they can come back.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Good for you, damn back weeks although you did lose
to the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Formally married to w NBA star Kelsey Plumb Plumb formerly married. Yeah,
they had a big, big divorce. Oh got him all
at that? You got him? I think that was last year,
got him back focused to get back to football. You're
saying he needed a divorce. I had to get away
from the rapping.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
Wow, look at you, not believing in the bonds of marriage.
You're rooting for divorces seem to work out for him.
That's true. Kelsey Plumb has been good too, right he
You know, love isn't always the answer. It's not.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Sometimes even the best of relationships come to an end.
All right. I'll just I'm gonna step back here because
your Tennessee Titans. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:02):
First of all, another guy drops the ball before he
runs in the inze. We talked about this last week.
Why are people still doing this? This is not even
a game. If he holds on the football.

Speaker 2 (53:12):
That would have put Arizona up twenty eight to six
in the fourth quarter. Why seventy two yard run, They
would have been up by twenty for just one more step.
I mean that one there by the way he crossed
the line on this. And I'm not just saying it's
my own team. If it's even a question, if you're
an idiot and can't hold onto the ball, I deserve
to get it taken away, I agree with. But a

(53:33):
seventy two yard run would have made it twenty eight
to six, and then that happens. Even then, I'm thinking
all right, Well, you know they said in pile up,
pile it on, we get the ball back, and well,
let's talk about.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
The dumbest play in the history of football. I mean,
the Titans throw an interception. Oh, I'm just gonna lead
to other stuff before that. That's all I got there,
road go.

Speaker 2 (53:54):
Well, the Titans were actually decided to score a touchdown
out of nowhere. We haven't had one in weeks after
the fumble, I haven't had a touch on. Cam Wored
just has the best drive we've seen from him all season.
He wasn't asked even then like, well we're still down big,
Arizona's getting the ball back. Then we get a three
and out. Why don't you think we've had more of
those all season? And then gets what you're talking about.

(54:15):
Cam Wore drives them again.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
All right, let's talk about this play. Let's just break
it down. Cam Moore drives back. They're driving down I
think nine, so they have a chance to cut it
to two. He throws an interception, a bad interception, like
not even close to the receiver. Game over. If old
boy just falls down, just hold on the down. All

(54:39):
you got to do is fall down and sead. He
tries to run it back, he fumbles it and the
ball falls in the end zone. The Titans fall on it.
It's amazing because I think it was third down. So
even if he hadn't intercepted it, if he just knocked
it down, it would have been fine. But he did
the only thing you can't do, which is intercept fumbling

(55:02):
the end zone touchdown. You skip two big important steps.
After he fumbled it, one of them kicked it from
the five to the two. At this point, it's still
not the end zone. So a cardinal has now intercepted
it and fumbled it. Another cardinal has kicked it. Then
a third cardinal comes in and kicks it even further
in the end zone. So we had two kicks to
get it from the five to the end zone where

(55:23):
Lockett dives on it for an improbable touchdown. Would you
agree that NFL players are some of the most the
best athletes in the world. Would you agree with that, yes?
Why is it when a ball hits the ground that
they become the clumsiest people on the planet. Like, if
you were to throw a ball on the ground right there,

(55:44):
I am almost one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Sure I could fall on it. Listen.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
I can't throw a touchdown pass. I can't make a
tackle in the open field. I can't break a kickoff run.
If I saw a ball on the ground, Billy, I
could fall on it and grab it.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Not people in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
When the ball hits the ground in the NFL, everyone
turns into the clumsiest person in the world. They jump
on it, it squeezes out from them, they trip over
each other, they kick it. Why do people become so
discombobulated when there's a fumble.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
They're thrown off, They're not used to them. It's usually
someone that doesn't have the ball very often, like Kentucky football,
just last week of South Carolina, we have an offense
on it. You fall on it, you punt, you live
to see another day. But it's like he poured olive
oil over it and then just like belly flopped on
it to see how far he could shoot it out
from his belly.

Speaker 1 (56:42):
And again, if I was gonna fall, I would take
my arms and I'd make it to where.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
They I would build a I would build a dome
with that body all belly first on the ball.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
They pull their arms back and they think they give
it a belly flop and then just watch the ball
scoot out. Oh whoops, you know.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Here they were kick kick. I left out a moment
before the interception as I was running through that. When
the Titans drove the field, they were down nine, and
I'm thinking, Oh, what are we gonna do here? What
we're gonna do here? We're gonna go for two, We're
gonna kick the extra point. How's Callahan gonna play this?
Because Callahan has done the wrong thing every single time
there's been decision. He sends out the kicker for the

(57:24):
extra point. I'm like, that's fine, whatever. Kicker just absolutely
shanks the extra point. I mean, at a point where
we had to make a decision. It's just so Titans.
This ball didn't even stand a chance. I don't know
that it even got out of the back of the
end zone. On the next it was still a two
per So literally the Cardinals, there were so many things.
If you played that fourth quarter one hundred times, I'm

(57:44):
not kidding, ninety nine times, the Cardinals would win by
at least fifty. They won.

Speaker 1 (57:48):
No.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I actually lay. I was like, we can't even get
the last picks. Are stuck a losing like at least,
let's get the last the first pick. Excuse me, let's
at least you know tank even though it's week five.
And then we managed to I guess the Cardinals did
more than the Titans here, but it was a blooper
in the fourth quarter, one after another.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Speaking of the fumbles, you know, I've I've told this
story on a couple other platforms, but out here. When
I was at ESPN back before COVID, we would watch
the games in this game room and Chris Berman, I
think I've told you he will when he watches games,
so I would be in a room with Chris Berman.
He narrates the games in real life like he does

(58:30):
on the highlights, So he does the raid is and
he like does all that stuff. And once I started
watching games with him, I just kept thinking, man, there's
a fumble, like I want there to be a fumble
where no one can get the ball. And it was
like week four finally there was a play like this one.

(58:52):
And here he is sitting there in front of seventy
five people at ESPN and he goes, WHOA, and I went, yes,
I wanted them so bad so much.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
And he would have done that today. You would have.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Gone so just so people know. Sometimes you wonder are
people in real life like they are on TV? When
it comes to Chris Berman and football, he is plenty
of bloopers for him to whoop. Today, Commanders beat the
Chargers on paper, this should have been a great game
two teams that are kind of borderline Super Bowl contenders.

(59:29):
Instead it was awful. Chargers got up ten to nothing
and then Justin Herbert played one of his worst games
in two or three years. Commanders scored twenty seven straight points.
The Chargers lead the NFL and penalties so far this
year thirty nine penalties in four games. Really bad performance
from the Chargers after that early tenzer lead. Do you
blame the fact that Madison Beer came to her first

(59:52):
game today for Justin Harber?

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I saw Justin got a big kiss from Madison on
the side. We can't be kissing. This is a this
is a family league.

Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Mattut there are you allowed to kiss on your girl
on the field for the game?

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
Is this normal?

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I don't know the answered it is. You see play
homes and Brittany kiss did that? I've seen women and
men kissing after games. Good with that. I'm not anti
kiss let me be clear. You have left, but can
you tongue lock before a game on the field.

Speaker 3 (01:00:24):
The wives come out on the field before the game too.
I mean it's a whole thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
What do you mean they come out on the field
before the game.

Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Well, they can be on the sideline. The family time
that the babies come out, maybe when I have the
kid on the turn.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Come on, dad, hold the baby and your pads get
a picture. But is that good? It's pretty common.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
Yeah, it's okay.

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
But family time. So if they kiss them, then they
just were together that morning. I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Again, I'm not anti family, but like it's time to
go to work.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
You don't see Like when I was a lawyer, it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Thirty minutes before a death pittalty trial and we had
my we had a kid crawling on the judges chambers.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
It's family time. Gotta go kiss madison beer? Yeah, I
mean once the punother job? Do you do that? Right?
For a surgery?

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Your wife comes in, We're gonna go, honey, open heart surgery.

Speaker 2 (01:01:18):
Let's lip lock, bring the kids in. We're geting a family. Everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Look at this artery that's clogged, Johnny.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Dad's about to fix this everyone smile. Why did they?
Why are they on the field before the game? Given smooches? Gang,
give smooch so you can give up twenty seven the
Madison beer. We said this the other day and.

Speaker 3 (01:01:39):
I don't remember social media stars.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
So what does she do?

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
She sings? Okay, she sings.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
She's part of this new generation where they're just famous. Yeah,
it's like, what do they do? Like, I don't know,
they're just famous. Yeah, they get ready in the morning
and put it on TikTok. That's what they do to
be famous.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Two touchdowns with the commanders for was it? Jacory uh Rescu,
Marrit Krosky merrit? Now he goes by Bill. We talked
about this a few weeks ago. He's Jacorey Krossky Merrit.
He says, just call me Bill. But now we've learned
why Billy? Why is it he wants to go by Bill?

Speaker 3 (01:02:08):
Well, the old Little Bill show? What show is that
Little Bill on Nickelodeon?

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
You repeating the name Bill Bill anything? So it was
on nickelode and a cartoon.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Yeah, it was animated cartoon. And I believe he looked
like Little Bill and that is what they started calling
him when he was a kid.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
I like though, that we're just calling him Bill's like
the announcers are just like touchdown Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
Should be nothing against his name, but it's long got hyphens.
J Cory Krossky merrit. No Bill, Let's just go Bill. Well.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
I kind of like it because I'll never remember Ja
Cory Krossky merrit, but I can remember Bill, and.

Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
So you'll remember Billy had a big game. You remember
his name.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
He's been He's been good all year. Two touchdowns. Ja
Das was back. So big win and very disappointing performance
for the Chargers, who now if if the Chiefs win tomorrow,
they've basically given up that had a two game advantage
over the Chiefs, and they will have given it up
within week five if the Chiefs win against the Jaguars,

(01:03:15):
and we'll finish with a poor performance for Cincinnati Bengals
who lose at home thirty seven to twenty four. I
think the stat from this game that was the most
telling is that Jamar Chase at one point had four
receptions and three tackles.

Speaker 2 (01:03:31):
The best receiver in the league.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Get out the tackles at one point four receptions and
three tackles. Tough day for your boy if I die
before our wake feed.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Jake Browning, Yeah, Jake Browning not looking good for Cincinnati.
I think they've got like thirty five points in three
weeks with him since Barrow's been out. Did you see
his interview after the game? No Brows or Brownings?

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Brownings he was very sad. I kind of felt sorry
for him. He was like doing the best I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Mean you got.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
He wasn't crying, but he was like, I'm try lay
off me. I know, he wasn't being defensive. It was
like it was almost like sadness. He was just like, look,
I just might not be very good. I worked hard,
so he's going through it. Just don't think I'm good

(01:04:24):
at football? So what do you want from me? I
kind of felt bad for Jake Browny.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
Yeah, he had a big opportunity here and he's absolutely
fumbled that with that offense.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
Would you go get somebody else? Like, would you try
to get Jamis Winston or something? A bit the beingles
started two and two or started two and zero, So
two and three and the rest of the division isn't good,
so like it's not over yet. I mean, wouldn't it
be worth going and trying to salvage.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
It absolutely, and we'll see some separation at places Like
you mentioned wins McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
What about Jameis Winston. Why wouldn't you go try James
Winsley's a third string, he's not playing for a bad Giants.
They're not gonna put him in because they want Jackson
Dark to play.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
Why not just he'd be the easiest being third somewhere
where he's definitely not getting used. But if you're Bengals fan,
I mean, you're not going to have a successful year
no matter what. But I think your roster is at
least good enough. You got to try to go out
and find someone that could fill that spot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Gibbs and Montgomery or you were you were saying to meet.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
The Todd Emmett and Darryl Johnston for the most touchdowns
by a duo for one team.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Yep, but that's that's amazing. You wouldn't think that is
that in a career.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
I guess so.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Really teammates, There's never been two teammate running backs that
have scored more touchdowns then Gibbs and Montgomery.

Speaker 2 (01:05:49):
Big game for Montgomery, they were playing up. I guess
he's from Cincinnati, means a lot to him, he's got
some family stuff going on there and it was his
first time ever playing a game in Cincinnati.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
How is they shocking statistic to me? I'll tell you
what else is shocking. I mean, you went into the year,
you probably said the AFC North is going to be
the best division in football, right, Ravens super Bowl contenders, Bengals,
great Steelers will be competitive, and maybe the Browns will
be competitive. Instead they are one in six. In the
last two weeks you have the Steelers are three and one.

(01:06:21):
Then you got one and four for the Ravens, one
and four for Cleveland and two and three for Cincinnati.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
What a bust of the division. Absolutely shocking. I think
I would have had it completely flip. I thought the
Steelers weren't even gonna be good. Obviously we all thought
the Ravens would be good. But to sit here and
talk about Baltimore being one and four, leave aside Lamar
are not playing today and having the hamstring. Just saying
Ravens one and four out loud and what we thought
they'd be is nuts at this point. Yeah, well, good

(01:06:51):
day of football. Thank you folks very much for listening.
We should have Collins Eric Collins next week. Hopefully go
ahead and.

Speaker 1 (01:06:59):
Say we're booking dot Downtell also shout out to the
host of the uh the Carolina Panthers podcast, mew Mix.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Yeah for Max for Mix.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Mew Mix, who has ended their reign. Did you see
they've doubled their social media followers since announcing they were ending.
I think they got to come back.

Speaker 2 (01:07:23):
And then they win today and then they win.

Speaker 1 (01:07:25):
Don't you have to have a special edition of mew Mix.

Speaker 2 (01:07:28):
I think they have to drop like their comeback episode.

Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Now they got jobs.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
What's their job?

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
I don't know, that's what their excuse was. They got jobs?

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Can possibly talking about the Panthers with the job?

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
I have a job, so uh But but listen, it
was a great run for mew Mix. Uh and I
hope whatever your next gig is will be as good
as the mew Mix. We will per one out for you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:55):
That's right, We'll see you later.

Speaker 1 (01:08:04):
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