NFL Cover Zero: Playoff berths being clinched!

Matt Jones and Drew Franklin start off with another thrilling victory from the Bears to clinch a playoffs spot.  Has Caleb Williams answered all the questions about him this season? The Jaguars get past the Broncos, are they a contender? Matt explains how he's been practicing calling games in preparation for the New Orleans Bowl. 

Matt recaps the wild ending to Steelers-Lions and another winning season for Mike Tomlin. The Ravens put up a fight against the Patriots.  What is the future of Lamar Jackson? The Eagles clinch the NFC East with a testy win over the Commanders. The Saints notched a 3rd straight win behind Tyler Shough.  The Bills held off the Browns.

More on Matt getting ready for the New Orleans Bowl with facts about both teams. The Titans post a victory over the Chiefs, who suffer another QB injury.  The Chargers come back against the Cowboys.  Matt wonders what changes the Dolphins will make in the offseason. Another loss for the Bucs has them under .500 after a 5-1 start.  We preview Philip Rivers leading the Colts against the 49ers on MNF and wrap up with TD and Survivor picks for NFL Week 17. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
NFL Covers Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is
a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. Welcome Everybody
to Week sixteen NFL Cover zero Podcast. I am in

(00:28):
New Orleans, Louisiana, where earlier today the Saints got a
big victory, But we're not leading with the Saints. We
are leading with the fact that there were some great
games today. Drew is in Lexington. Drew. I am in
a very good mood because my Chicago Bears made the
playoffs today thanks to the loss by the Detroit Lions,

(00:49):
and if they can win one more game, we'll win
the division after what Saturday night was probably one of
the best Bears wins of my lifetime.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, you've got to be on cloud non right now.
I mean, you had the exciting comeback, the way it ended,
the celebration after, and then you get what you needed
today with the Lions. I saw you have won a
playoff game in fifteen years. Do you think y'all can
go in there and win one?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
Well? I worry that right now we're scheduled to play
the Packers again, which I think would be the worst luck.
I'd rather like to play anyone but them. But yeah,
I mean, I guess we'll start with that. I mean,
there's the games today, A couple of them are very important.
But I mean, I I think you could make a
strong argument that I have seen, well, first of all,

(01:33):
that the Bears have played two of the three most
exciting games of the year, right the game against the Mingles,
which just kind of went back and forth, back and forth.
We were at the Bills Bucks game, which was so good.
But I don't know. I mean, the game itself wasn't
great against Green Bay, but that comeback is like one
for the ages. I mean, I would think for the

(01:54):
Bears fan that set through that cold and soldier field,
saw the on sidekick, saw the amazing Caleb Williams off
his back foot throw, and then all the touchdown pass
in overtime. That's gotta be like one of the best
moments you'll have as a sports fan, right.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, crazy finish. I had completely written him off in
that game, like most people, I think I did. I saw,
you know, the probability thing. Green Bay was a ninety
nine percent in the fourth quarter and back against the wall.
Not only do you get the on side kick, he
makes that throw on fourth down. There were just so
many ways they could have lost it, but they kept
making the right play to hang on and get it done.
So I was happy for you, and that was just

(02:33):
a great game to be a fan of football.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, I mean green Bay has got to be just
kicking himself. So first of all, if you were a
green Bay fan, would be mad about the hit that
took out Jordan Love a little bit.

Speaker 2 (02:45):
I mean you're mad because you're mad because you have
to watch Milik Willis played two and a half quarters.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's why you're mad. But I didn't think he did bad. Yeah,
I mean the third down that he gets stopped, I
think if he dives, maybe he gets that. But I
actually thought all things considered, he did Okay. You know,
I don't think it was a dirty hit, but I
also think it wasn't an illegal hit. And so anytime
your player gets hurt on an illegal hit, that does

(03:12):
kind of stink, right.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, And I mean it comes right after losing Michael
Parsons too. I know Jordan Loves. This shouldn't be out
very long, but just to have your two stars on
each side of the ball go down and back to
back weeks is unfortunate. When you're in such a great
place and considered a contender.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Till you're neutral. Okay, so you don't you know, you
don't care one way or the other. Are you rooting
for the back? I feel like, I mean, I'm I've
got the shirt on. I'm biased. I think this Bears team, though,
is insanely likable. Caleb Williams, you know, I think the
fact we haven't been good, I would just think objectively,
if you didn't have a dog in the fight, you

(03:49):
would be happy that the Bears are doing well. Do
you think that's the case. I don't think. I don't
see what how there would be any Bears hate.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, it's fun. I mean, you like when a team
that hadn't had much success in a while, you know,
throws their name in the hat. They're a fun offense,
they're young. You got a brand new coach trip and
his shirt off. I saw today Caleb Williams was serving
food out in Chicago and he had on a cheese
Greater hat. I don't even though they made cheese greater hats,
but that's pretty cool. So little he had a cheese

(04:16):
greater hat. Yeah, I didn't see that. That's good for
kla So I mean they're just having fun and having
a great year. So yeah, of course it's hard. You'd
have to be a.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Hater to root against him unless you're a fan of
one of their rivals.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
And I'm starting next year, Okay, you'll get the burden
of expectations.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
They'll have to play a first place schedule, right, So
things will get much harder next year, and so in
some ways you can just have the joy of this one.
Now they play the forty nine ers in the Lions.
They just have to win one of those games to
make the playoffs, and the Lions could go into that
last week with nothing to play for. Well, we'll see

(04:58):
what happens after next week, but you know, you gotta
be happy. And then Kayleb Williams, I mean, I think
he's answered all the questions. Obviously, Drake May had a
great game that just finished up, and he's been and
so has bow Nick's been really good. Jaydon Daniels was
good last year. But I mean, I think I feel
comfortable in saying the Bears have their guy, right, And

(05:19):
how about the three of the six best or five
best records in the league being these second year quarterbacks. Yeah,
with Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (05:28):
I saw a stat that he's on track to have
the lowest like interception percentage ever. He has to get
to a certain baseline of his many throws, and he's
not far from it.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
He has the fewest interceptions of any of any quarterback
ever with a thousand or whatever it is, a thousand
attempts or whatever the status. I don't think people would
think that because they still sort of I think there's
this perception that he's this like wild guy. You don't
know what he's gonna do. Does he make good decisions?
But he has like twelve interceptions in his career, which

(05:59):
is a crazy number.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, he's just had a few that had been untimely,
like he throws the one away a couple weeks ago
on the end zone, and they'll stick out a little
bit more because they've cast him in games. But overall, yeah,
he's been protecting the ball and was it like six
comebacks this year where they've been growing in the last
couple of minutes, and that guy just goes out there
and wins.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
Like Myron Metcalf who does the ESPN show with me,
he's a hater and he's like you.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
Knew you cheek s kobik. You like, we've been losing
six tubs, you know those two minutes like, okay, but
last year we lost all those games. So if you agree, like,
the Chiefs are a perfect example, the team who won
all those close games last year, it caught up to
him this year. The Bears lost all those games last year.
I think the Bears were a lot closer to being

(06:43):
good last year than people realized, and then this year
they win him. So I think it does even out.
And this is just the math going our way.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, the culture has completely changed with Ben Johnson too.
I again watched his poach game speech. It was like
five minutes long, and I watched every second of it,
and I.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Do have to say speeches are a lot like they
need it. He needs an editor, Okay, I mean I
think you get you know, in hockey, Rod Brendan Moore
has like a forty five second for the Carolina Hurricanes.
He doesn't go more than forty five seconds. That's a
perfect amount. When you are like rivalry rivaling toll Stoy

(07:21):
for length of your speech, you need to bring it back.
So I like Ben Johnson, first of all, this middle
aged men taking their shirts off. I'm done with that, okay.
Like I talked about McAfee, Benja, y'all got to keep
your shirts on. You you you know, when you have
great chance to hair, keep it off. And then we
got to do the link. But I do love the

(07:42):
guy and it's been awesome havening. I think this year
the Coach of the Year race is so open.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
They know the cameras are on and it's kind of
like performance art to help their case for voters. I
think that's the case because it's never been so wide
open for Coach of the Year, and they're all trying
to sell themselves in these lucky.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Vote for in that right now. I mean, you got
Liam Cohen, you got Kyle Shanahan, you got Mike Vrabel,
You've got Ben Johnson, you know, and and Mikey Daniel
in Seattle. Like who you who you going with?

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I've said on here the last two weeks to watch
Liam Cohen climbing the ranks, and then with his outcome today,
I'm sticking with him. That's been my pick for a
while and I think he's Uh, they've played their way
into it well before.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Before we switch, we'll go to that one next. But
before we switch to that game, I have to tell
you I've watched the Bears lose some version of that
game my entire life, and to actually have it go
right for once yesterday was just like a great sports
day for me. Kentucky won, Duke lost, Caliperry lost, and

(08:49):
then you get this Bears win, which was bigger to
me in some ways than all of them. I just
I loved it, and to my fellow Bear compatriots out there,
let's enjoy this one because that'll be one. You know,
that'll be one that when you're doing the top ten
season wins of all time, you'll put that one up there. Now,
the Jaguars to kind of destroyed Denver on the road today.

(09:15):
I don't think anybody saw that coming. I think at
this point now everybody has to say, A the Jaguars
are for real and b Trevor Lawrence is good. And
I think six weeks ago no one would have said
the second one of those. I saw Trevor Lawrence. In
the last four games, He's got twelve hundred yards, fourteen touchdowns,
no interceptions, and they're four to zero. I mean that

(09:37):
is like an MVP stretch. I know, he's not doesn't
have enough time to go in the MVP Award. But
since their bye week they have been unbelievable. And then
what he did today, Denver has got the best defense
in the NFL. He went and scored on like six
out of seven drives. So just an.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Unbelievable game by the Jaguars, and they're doing this all
not that Travis Hunters that way. How do you say it?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Jaguars, Jaguars, Jack Wars. I mean, I still don't haven't
gotten any one to tell me what the right way is.
Everyone makes fun of mine Jaguars. I don't think jag
wires is correct either, and so I'm just gonna say
it's an unpronounceable work.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
But but well, they deserve some respect on their name
the way they certainly do.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
And if your Denver, you know now you know that?
I think is who has the tie right now? Is
it the Patriots or the Broncos for the one seed
because they have the same record. I'll be honest, I
was not wanting that.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
I believe it's the Broncos. I don't know if this
is updated, but the one I'm looking at right now
in NFL dot Com says Broncos.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Well, I'm sure, I'm not sure if that's right or not,
but either way, one of them does. But the Broncos
I think could have maybe locked it up if they
had won today, but they don't. Are you are you
buying Jacksonville as a Super Bowl contender or is this
one of these where they're the two seed and they
get upset in the first round lose to a seventh

(11:03):
seed at home.

Speaker 2 (11:08):
I think I'm gonna say they're a contender because they're
turning it on at the right time. There's not a
lot of football left, We're heading straight for the playoffs,
and they've been beating good teams. Like I said, just
beat the top defense. They got a little swagger. I
don't know if you saw Liam Cohen kind of clap
back at Sean Payton after the game. Sean Payton had
said something like they're a good team for a small market,
and Liam Cohen let off his press conference saying not

(11:28):
bad a small market can.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
Go into Maha and get a win. So yeah, they're
kind of feeling themselves a little bit, Liam Cohen, and
you and I have been around him a lot. For
a dude that is as dorky as he is. He
talks an amazing amount of trash in some ways. He's
kind of like Billy like like he has like like Billy,
you talk more trash than someone like you normally would.

(11:53):
And I think Liam Cohen is kind of like that.
You have a mouth, that's kind of Liam Cohen asked.

Speaker 4 (12:00):
But that just doesn't come out of nowhere. That's because
I'm ultra confident in what I do, and so maybe
he is. Yeah, he's prepared.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
More success than you do at this point.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
But I guess, but if you were head.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Coach of the Jaguars you might have that success too.
We don't know.

Speaker 4 (12:16):
Both employees in the NFL, So I say that we're
closer than maybe you think. I had an observation in
this game. I want to ask you, guys, because there
were a couple times in this game where the players
couldn't hear the whistle. The loud was the crowd was
so loud in Denver. Do you think that technology will
ever change? Well, we have whistles twenty thirty years from now.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Oh what would you suggest instead.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
Lights in your elements? Maybe lights in the helmets? Yeah,
I don't know. Like when the play's over, the work.
I don't know, the play's over, and then like red
lights go in your helmet, so you know to stop.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
But if red lights go where like you don't, like
in your peripheral some way, I don't think they're looking.
I mean you're talking about peripheral business.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, like you'd be able to see a red or
green light when the play's on or the plays off.
I mean, it just seems like technology that could be
up to.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Or the red light that's on a shot clock in basketball.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Just put that on every helmet and if you're running
out a guy and his red light goes off, you
know the plays did.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
It's a genius, Billy. Yeah, there's a solution. A solution
though in looking for a problem. I mean what like
like okay, so that happened twice today. I mean I first,
if I was in the NFL, would start with making
the goal post higher. I still don't understand why they're
not higher. Yes, and then they've already got rid of
the chains, so like I'm ready, I mean they've they've

(13:35):
made a big step. I will say, Billy, I've never
heard anyone even fathom that is a thing that needed
to happen. So that is a very unique thought.

Speaker 4 (13:44):
Just trying to prevent injuries. You know, plays happening after
the whistle.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Just trying to prevent injuries.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Okay, did you think Dion Sanders was at that game
and he had a whistle?

Speaker 1 (13:55):
On today? He was. He was always in his whistle.
He was in the suite watching Shador and he had
a whistle. And I like the idea that he just
walks around all the time with a whistle, and I
want to think he blows it anytime he sees something wrong,
like in the airport, you you're cutting the line with

(14:16):
blow the whistle. I like Dion constantly having a whistle.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
He seems to always be wearing a whistle and a
cowboy hat these days, and I'm all for it.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
They don't really go together, but I like it. I
like that I don't know what the cowboy hat is
at first of all, Colorado was not even known for cowboys.
Like He's not like he went It's like he went
to Maine and decided he was a cowboy. Colorado is not.
That's not what they do there. That's like mountains and skiing.
But nevertheless, so the Jaguars with a big.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Victory, let's talk about the game that I So.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Let me back up a second. So people who don't
we've talked about him by I'm calling the New Orleans
Bowl Tuesday, and a lot of you listening at home
you might be like, what's the New Orleans Bowl? And
that's your loss, because it is the this is the
twenty fifth edition. Billy's alma mater, Western Kentucky is playing
the Southern Miss Golden Eagles. But more nerve wrecking to

(15:24):
me is I've never called a play by play game
and I have to do it. And we've talked about this.
I've been very nervous. So Friday night I freaked out
a little bit because I realized, Hey, I'm about to
do something I've never done on national radio. So I've
spent most of the weekend the games I'm watching, I'm
calling them. Okay, So I've been standing in my house

(15:47):
by myself, calling the action as the TV is muted.
If you walk by my house and could look in,
you would think I was a crazy person. Well, today
I had to fly to New Orleans and I had
to watch these games on the plane. And I was
sitting there and I was watching Detroit and Pittsburgh and

(16:09):
I was flye and I was calling the game in
my head, but I realized at some point that the
words were starting to come out of my mouth and
I was literally quietly but going Roger straps back looks
over the middle first time, and there was a guy

(16:30):
sitting across from me. And to his credit, I know
he heard me. He had to have heard me, and
he never brought it up, and he never embarrassed me.
He had to think I needed to be put out
to pasture. But when I realized, I turned really red.
I kind of covered my face. But to that man,

(16:51):
if you happen to be listening, thank you for not embarrassing,
because I do think I was out loudled on a
flight calling the Steelers' lines game play by play. You're
just working man, You're a professional, just doing your jobs.
He doesn't business that businessmen work on planes. I bet you,
Tony Romo, Tom Brady. They sit there and mumble college

(17:14):
games on the back of the seat in front of
them when they're on planes. It's all part of the
business of First of all, they're full, probably flying private,
and they're probably not in an economy seat celebrating that
I got an exit row It's probably not one of
those conversations. By the way, I don't like now that
on the exit row you have to have a long

(17:37):
verbal exchange to get to sit on the exit row.
And they used to just go, are you okay sitting
on the X row and you go yes. Now they
like ask you ten questions and you have to go,
and you can't just nod that. They go, I need
a verbal answer yes, yes, and you're you're trying to
do play by playing why she's asking you if your
camp that's right? So I did play by playing the game,

(17:59):
and what I saw was a pretty impressive win by
Pittsburgh on the road. Detroit fans boo their own team,
but then Pittsburgh ends up winning at the end. Double
offensive pass interference calls on two of the last three plays.
What did you think of it?

Speaker 2 (18:17):
I mean that last play was just mayhem and I
was waiting for a replay. They gave us a while
to get to it, and I thought this better be
a clear offensive pass interference. And then yeah, he pushed
off pretty hard. It was kind of unnecessary how hard
he pushed off, Jay.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
Because I couldn't hear the sound. I was only trying
to call the action myself. Yeah, what did the referee say?
Like that whole period of time they were talking and
like what was going on.

Speaker 2 (18:45):
Well, when the referee tried to announce to the public
what they had decided, I bet he wants to take
that one back.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
He was saying, Well, we.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Started off saying the call on the field is a touchdown,
but then he has to go to offensive pass interference,
therefore no touchdown. But then he kind of fumbled over
the no touchdown and some Lions fans are cheering and
some are it was the moment was way too big
for the white hat right there, and anything like we
can't replay Yeah, no, they can't replay it because it's

(19:13):
a pass interference, so there's nothing they can do about it.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
So he basically was like, you scored, but no you didn't,
and you don't we're not looking at it. Is that
kind of what he said.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
It actually would have been much better if you had
put it that way, because he was like stammering a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
And what was the argument they scored a touchdown? Was
that not like his forward momentum had gotten stopped? Well, uh,
same brown lateral to golf who jumped in, they stopped
his for they had running back like before he lateral,
they pushed him back like five yards.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
Yeah, it none of it mattered once they had the
flag for the pass interference.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
But John, I guess it just because yeah, it.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Was an offensibility and then there was no time on
the clock. But it was a pretty blatant push off too.
But it was a chaotic ending there, and no one
really had answers because they weren't showing no replay for
a couple of months.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
On Both of the calls were valid, but I'm surprised
they called them right. Like I think you could call
especially the picks, I think you could call those a lot,
and you probably could call the push offs a lot.
And to call those in Detroit.

Speaker 5 (20:24):
On the last on two of the last three plays,
I don't think they were wrong, but I'm very surprised
they called when when they huddled the four officials, you
could almost see them like, oh my god, there's a
lot at stake here, because it's truly deciding a game
of playoff inplications.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, I think they got it right, but it was
a wild ending. It couldn't have been easy on them.
But I think they did get it right. It helped
that the defensive backs sold the push pretty well.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Danelovsky was angry. I saw him on you know, he
was a former lines back, so he's a big lines guy.
He was very angry about it. He was like, you
can't call that, you can't call that. And then there
were just people saying just that, just people just yelling
at him. That's why you should never talk on Twitter.
But I think it's probably the right one. And now,

(21:11):
by the way, the Steelers are nine and six in
the driver's seat to win the division. All they need
to do is win one more game Aaron Rodgers. First
of all, Mike Tomlin is going to have a winning
record again. That to me is the most amazing stat.

(21:32):
I mean, give me a more amazing And oftentimes it's
like nine to eight, and yet he still has a
winning record every single year. And the fact Pittsburgh wants
to get rid of him, it's kind of odd to me.
I mean, they boot him three weeks ago. I don't
get it, Like, if you fire Mike Tomlin, another team's
gonna hire him immediately. Right.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Oh yeah, I'm sure they were wishing they hadn't boot
him because he's done nothing to win since then. But
it's just also amazing that. I mean, that's not like
a powerhouse division, but it's not terrible to be being
five hundred. You have the Browns, but the Bengals and
had some really good seasons during that run, and they
still manage to get above five hundred for almost two decades.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
And they also have that insane staff at what they've
only had like three coaches in sixty five years or
something like That's that is unbelievable. And Aaron Rodgers, I'm
a hater and I'm still a hater, but he probably
has been a little I don't think he's been great,

(22:31):
but he's been a little better, certainly better than I
thought he would be. Do you think he keeps playing
beyond this season? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
He's he's looking so old over there on the sideline.
They kept showing his face when the Lions are.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Driving like cold. He looks very cold. He had a
nice not look past today. He still got that in him.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Did you see DK Metcalf get into it with the
fan that was the other big story.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Yeah, yeah, I did see that.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, And the fan was interviewed and he said all
I did was call him by his full name, like
just yelled, I.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
Don't believe that that fan is live. He did not,
like he did not you could call me Matthew Harper
and I'm not going to punch you in the face.
I do not believe that in the least, do you no?

Speaker 2 (23:18):
But I also wondered how the fan was even in
that spot, like where's the security on the rail to
be like, hey, fan, why are you leaning over in.

Speaker 1 (23:24):
DK Metcalf's face? Like how did you even get to
that point? Is what I wonder you. The fan is
very lucky that he had the blue hair covering his face,
because we have no idea who he is, you know
what I mean? Like he didn't this was not a situation.
Well this is a little bit of a digression. But
do you remember the Coldplay concert couple? Of course, so

(23:46):
the woman, I don't know if you saw this. The
woman was interviewed this week by the New York Times.
Did you see this? I saw that. Now I have
the controversial view which no one wants to hear that
I kind of feel sorry for this woman, and I
actually was interested to hear what she says, and her
life seems like it's been off, like people like yell

(24:08):
at her, and she hasn't been able to like go
back to work, and she doesn't feel like she She's
only now is like she can go in public. So
I was like, I think this is fascinating and it
shows how we pile on someone in society, et cetera,
et cetera. And so then I look the New York
Times posts a story and I go read the comments
on social media. People just hate her, like they hate

(24:29):
her so much, and I feel sorry for this woman.
That could have happened to this Detroit Lyons blue hair
guy if he was not careful.

Speaker 2 (24:39):
Wasn't that The point of her interview is that you
shouldn't be hated for making a mistake. And then she
just keeps getting hated now that she did the interview.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
It's like, yeah, people are mad at her for doing
the interview, but like, what do you want her to do?
Do you just want her to like she just wanted
to like move to Mars, Like it's like she has
to have a life. She didn't commit a crime. She's
got to go live in the woods by herself and
never come out. Yeah, she not allowed she never allowed
to ever Okay, she messed up, but she never allowed

(25:07):
to move on with their life ever. I just was
try for that woman, and I know nobody else does,
but I do. People make mistakes. I mean Burton Ernie
or was it Sesame Street. It was like, everybody makes mistakes?
Can we not give him a break? I don't know
if that was exact lyrics, but that was the premise. Yeah, yes,
they do something something your sister and your brother and

(25:28):
your dad and mother too. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
So you're saying the Detroit fan was kind of like
the Coplay company, and he's very lucky because he could
have become that woman and then he would be doing
a New York Times spread. Now DK shouldets suspended. Yeah,
you can't be doing that, especially midgame. I don't care
what he yelled, and I'm sure he yelled much worse
than DK's full name. We can't have you leaving the

(25:50):
bench to go grab a fan by the collar and
upper cut them.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
So how did he hear him? Like? How did he
hear it? The stadium is very loud.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
I don't know when I hear my full name from
my fiance or my mom, it's like piercing it.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
You don't punch your mom.

Speaker 4 (26:06):
No, I would never go that far, but like I
can hear it, but I know of Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
What does it went? Detroit?

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Malice in the Palace Now this it's like they're fans Detroit.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
I have my passport in Detroit. I can see it. Yeah.
I mean, although I do think people use Detroit now
as like this, like, but it's actually it's nice. You know,
what's the city you would want to go to the
least in America? Like I say to you, you have
to go spend one month in a city of some size.

(26:35):
You know, let's say a city that has a professional
sports team. Okay, what's the city that I say you
have to live there for one month that you would
want to do it the least?

Speaker 2 (26:48):
Probably Orlando anything. I just don't do the crowds and
touristy stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
I actual think Orlando is a good answer, But I
don't think I would have said that.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
I think if I could just play golf, I'd be fine.
But if I got caught up in Disney traffic and
hour waits, good families and rides and like snotty kids.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Tigers I mean, like I don't know if they have tigers,
but you know the Yeah, that's a good one, Jack.
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
For me, Maybe.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
See Jacksonville, I think is a good call because like,
jackson is not even on.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
The beach, right, we'll even for Orlando. I've been to
Jacksonville three times and had zero fun. So through Florida
City's being on our list, which is weird because at
least the weathers although the weather's not even necessarily going
to be good in Jacksonville all the time. And tell
me Jack Jacksonville, that's a good call. Jacksonville's mind.

Speaker 2 (27:46):
Until we had gone to Buffalo and I met those
beautiful people and joined the mafia, I might have said
Buffalo as someone stereotyping it from Afar, but I had
too much fun to say Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah. My point is a lot of people would say Detroit,
and I think that would be the wrong answer. I
actually think Detroit would be you know, a pretty good place,
uh good place to go. Oklahoma City might be up
there too, what is it like Wood and I don't know,
lot of hotels, yeah, those might be uh might be

(28:20):
the two. Now the rest of the games today, there's
a lot of games that sort of on paper were meaningless,
but we just finished one with the Patriots and the

(28:42):
Ravens twenty eight to twenty four. Lamar gets hurt. It's
ten ten at halftime. When he gets hurt, you kind
of think, all right, game over. But then the Ravens
score two touchdowns. They lead twenty four to thirteen. Snoop
hunt Lea's playing pretty well and then great drive, two
great drives by Drake May. They get a turnover at

(29:03):
the end and the Patriots win. Drake May had a
pass to Williams that was an amazing pass, an amazing
catch and as a I really like cousin sal and
the ringer would call him Drake and maybe and I've
wanted to do that, but I think now he's the Drake. Yes,
I mean he is. He's he's good and the Patriots

(29:26):
are good, which makes me mad.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, that throw is incredible to the side of the
end zone. He had a long run. I mean, he's
looking like he can do it all right now. But
I had them completely written off, even though they were
just down ten early in the second half. I thought
this was going to be a big blown opportunity. When
Lamar went out and they still weren't getting anything done
and Derek Henry was rolling over him, running over him,
and then you look up and they pulled off at
the last minute. I'm pretty shocked by that, and the

(29:51):
winning continues for New England.

Speaker 3 (29:53):
I didn't snow Putley, by the way. I believe he
backed up Bernie Kosar. He has been in the he
has been in the league for a long time. I
actually thought he played admirably well.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
I don't understand why the Ravens went away from your
goud Derrick Henry, though. I mean, they're up by they're
up by three, they have like four and a half
minutes to go. All they need to do is get
two or three first downs and they hand the ball
to the other guy whose name is escaping me. I
called it on the plane a couple of times, Cameron

(30:24):
Mitchell maybe yeah, Ken, yeah, See again. When you when
you're a play by play guy, you remember these people's names,
Cameron Mitchell. But they didn't give it to Derrick Henry.
I didn't understand that in those key moments down the stretretch.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Now, he had a bad fumble early in the game,
which is you know, this has been a year of
fumbling for him, something he had never done to this season.
But other than that, he had been great. He was
running all over him, had the two touchdowns like one
hundred and thirty something yards. It's like he's right there,
and he's right there. There's why he dack Henry. He's
Dereck Henry. I mean, there's nothing he's better at than
the clock churning end of game runs. That was the

(31:00):
thing he was so amazing at with the Titans year
after year. I just I did, I did get.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
You know, that's your season on the line, and you
got Snoop handing it to Mitchell and you go, this
is not what you all were, this is not what
this was supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
That's exactly why you signed Derrick Henry. As everyone else
gets tired, he just gets more downhill and picks up steam.
The later the game, the better he gets.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
And just completely went away from him.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Do you think we've seen Lamar's peak? He's injured another back.
Injury numbers haven't been the same since the hamstring.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
See, that's a tough one because I there's no quarterback
that to me is more vulnerable to his age.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Than the Lamar. But I also don't like there's still moments,
there's still Sparks. I don't know, he's injury prone, clearly.
He seems to have done a better job in recent
years of evading the injuries. But this year especially, it's
been like four different things, so that does worry me. Drew.

(32:04):
I hope we haven't seen the peak, but I kind
of think maybe we have.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, this year it's just been several different injuries. Seems
to have lost a step. If you look at his
rushing stats, even when he did have some healthy games,
he's not running it as much. I feel like he's
hitting that decline a little bit. So we'll still have
some good football left, but the MVP caliber Lamar I
think is behind us.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Well. I do think when he hits that moment, and
I don't know if he's hit it yet, I'm not
willing it, but like he'll fall the planet, like I
think it'll it'll be like you know, I mean, that's
kind of what happened to Michael Vick. It was just
over at some point. You know, he had that one
good year coming back for the Eagles and then it
was just over. Like like it's just I kind of

(32:48):
worry about with him. Russell Wilson, it was just kind
of you know, all of a sudden, it was just
it was just over there.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
They're guys who well, I mean those are not those
quarterbacks are all not the same.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
But but there just hits a moment for some dudes
when you're not just a guy relying on your arm
when you're doing it. I wonder if it allading to
Josh Allen at some point, like, is there gonna come
a point that he just hits a wall. I hope
that hasn't happened for Lamar because he's my favorite player. Yeah,
and for the Ravens too. They're in a win now moment.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
They completely wasted this season and win now Derrick Henry,
you know, even though he seems like a robot that's
not gonna last forever. You went out and got DeAndre Hopkins,
who's getting old. I mean, this was a win now
season and they've completely dropped the ball. Yeah, well, tough,
tough loss.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
And now you know the Bills were hoping for that
loss to have a chance to actually win the division.
That makes that's almost impossible at this point. All right,
let's go through a lot of these other ones. We'll
kind of go quickly. The Eagles beat the Commanders. I
didn't watch one minute of this game, so one of
you has to tell me something that matters from this.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
Marcus Mariota got hurt, so they had to turn to
Josh Johnson for the Commanders.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
That's what he's still in the league.

Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, yeah, the true backup quarterback champion.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Josh Johnson. Yeah, there's a name I haven't thought about
a long time. So when I thought he was a.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
Singer, now it was his nineteen since two thousand and nine,
the Commander.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
How was he great?

Speaker 4 (34:22):
No, he was bad. But the Eagles they clinched the
division and it's the first repeat champion in that division
in twenty years, so that I remember.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
I saw that statistic. That's an amazing statistic. Although Eagles
fans to have won the division still have a shot
at like winning the super Bowl, they hate their team,
just hate it, like they hate them so much. I
now want to watch the game just to try to
remember what Josh Johnson looked like.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I have no visual in my face, but I feel
like I've seen him a lot well, other than Washington
running out of quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
The other story is the Eagles went for two up
by seventeen with four minutes left in Atlanta and turned
into a brawl. Pretty good fight, lots and lots of fists.
Things in my field i've been. I have no patience
for people complaining about that stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
Stop them? Who cares? When did these athletes? Like when
did they get their feelings hurt? So much like it
when you played as a kid, Did you ever go Okay, everyone,
there's a minute left, let's stop trying. No. No, One's like,
why do we expect these athletes to stop? Plus there
were what seven minutes to go, like even less? Why

(35:36):
can't they go for it? It's like there was six
seconds left.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
Thought they were running up on him. I think it
started with two defensive back shoving. The lineman knocked one over,
and next thing you know, the bench is cleared. Uh
Saquon Barkley, I can't remember who he said. He was
running towards the pile and someone from the commanders, maybe Wagner,
stopped him. Was like, don't don't go in there and
gets this mess like a bunch of people. You're gonna
break a hand on a helmet, You're gonna get the reserves. Reserves, Yeah, Like,

(36:02):
what are we doing here? If the game's over? Let's
not mess with this.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I like it hockey where and this happened the other
night when the Hurricanes played the Panthers. Two players were
mad at each other, but it was like Andrew Marchan,
who's like the Panthers' best player, and it was Aho,
who's like the Hurricanes's best player. And so they appointed
two other guys to fight for them enforcers. Yeah, but

(36:27):
like they went on, they literally almost went on the
ice like ceremonial. You and I have to fight because
they're too good to fight. I was like, only in
hockey is that the case? Football has that too, though.
If you're if you're a reserve, if you're a special teamer,
you fight.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I've always thought if I was in a bench clearing brawl,
which I wouldn't because I don't play sports, but I
would find someone and that doesn't want to fight either,
lock up and we'll just kind of maneuver and.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
They lock up and then they just skate in a
circle and hold each other. Yeah, that's the we were fighting,
but we're not. We're we agree we're both too pretty
for this.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
We just wanted to a little good on camera that
we were there for our teammates, but we're not actually
mixing it up.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
That's what Mike Greenberg does at ESPN, by the way,
he lets the other guys fight, and then Mike Greenberg
he grabs Joe Buck and they just circle around in
circles and make sure not to hit each other.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Well after this, after this Commander's fight, dan Quinn said,
we'll see you on in two weeks because I guess
they play again. I don't know what they're going to
do in two weeks because they have Josh Johnson as
their quarterback with this ain't over.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
It's not over, champions, and I'm ready for the Josh
Johnson era Saints. When going away against the Jants, I
you know, you need to shut the shuck up because
he is absolutely killing it for New Orleans. Right.

Speaker 2 (37:46):
No, they are very few quarterbacks playing better. I think
they have their franchise QB. That's three straight wins. He
was connected with the Lave all day, had like one
hundred and forty yards, two touchdowns. He made a few
impressive throws, one kind of similar to that Drake maythrow
you mentioned. So yeah, it looks like New Orleans might
have found some life and Neil.

Speaker 4 (38:05):
Shuck While we're talking Saints, Taysom Hill became the first
player in the Super Bowl era to have a thousand
yards passing, rushing and receiving in a career.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
HM, that's an interesting stat That's another dude who's been
playing since the sixties. I mean, like, and he's for
a guy who is like essentially like a utility infielder
of football. The fact that he's been on the same team,
he's got to be the Saint that's played well, aving
Kamar if he's still in the league, but otherwise, he's
got to be the longest serving Saint, right.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Yeah, it's crazy. It's so weird that it's only been
one of him and he just his last so long
and he threw that long touchdown today. It's elave So,
I mean, he's out there contrued as Billy said, he
does it all and there's never been a utility player
like him.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Multiple coaches too, Like, I mean, he continues to stay
no matter what the regime. It's like, we gotta have
our And they always call him a utility knife, which
I don't know, like do people under the age of
thirty carry utility knives anymore?

Speaker 2 (39:06):
I think it's DoD ether if you carry a knife. No, No,
I had one when I was a cub scout. That
didn't last longer.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
I remember my grandfather would be like, no man goes
without a knife.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
And now I love my grandfather, but that seems like
a psychotic thing to have said.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Well, my grandfather would pull his knife out of his pocket.
It would be dirty, and he'd carve an apple and
eat off the knife, like the knife. He had always
had the knife. It was used for everything.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
But that person just walking around with a knife, Now,
I think I would call authorities. I'd be like, this
man has a knife and we're at the burger key.
But like there was a time that everyone did that.
Apparently they carried their own. Taysom Hill. The Bills played
the Browns twenty three twenty. I knew this game would

(39:51):
be closer than it should be. I knew the Bills
would play down in the competition. I didn't realize that
Shador Sanders would take three straight sacks on the game
winning play and it would be fourth and forty three.
He didn't play play good, he didn't play terrible, but
he had a chance and then a terrible final drive. Yeah,

(40:12):
he started off grade he ended up going the wrong way.
He completed his first eight passes and scored on the
opening drive. Can we get a shout out for Harold
Finn and Junior? By the way, from where from from
bowling grind? That's another touchdown. I saw. I saw a
tweet while I was sitting on the airplane where somebody
wrote people didn't think Harold Fannin could play in the NFL,

(40:34):
and he showed him and I thought, well, I know
one person that did. I know one person that believed
in Harold Fannin Junior. Well how about today?

Speaker 2 (40:44):
He set the Brown single season record for most receptions
by a rookie with his sixty seven and it was
a touchdown, and he hit the six seven when he scored.

Speaker 1 (40:52):
So what a day from my again?

Speaker 4 (40:54):
A rushing touchdown?

Speaker 1 (40:57):
Yeah he did. He was one of they brought him
in there for the rushing touchdown. So Hill's win. I
still don't know whether Chador's.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Good or not.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
I think we're going to be like that, probably for
his entire career. I want to pause just a second,
show something. Look what I bought. This is my Tom

(41:28):
Heart said I needed a car. Now you can see
this as big Tom Heart said, said, I need a
card to put the lineup on and all this. So
I bought these two pieces of poster board. Look at that.
Here you go, and this is going to be I'm
going to work on this tomorrow. But this is my
chart where I will put the the you know, rosters
for both teams.

Speaker 4 (41:48):
Those are giant, Like that's like an art project board.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
That's exactly what it is, an art project board. But
they didn't have the one was just like the size
of a sheet of paper, and the other one was massive.
This was like the only middle size they had.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
So do you have a color, you have a bunch
of markers to be color coordinated, or you got I have.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Mark I don't. I'm just gonna use one color. I'm
not gonna be all wild. I don't. Also don't have
all that much time. Can I give you a stat
I learned about each team? We'd love yes, Please let
me start with Western Kentucky. Well, did you know Western
Kentucky has had a top three round draft pick each
of the last four seasons. They're the only team and

(42:29):
the group of five that has done that. They Western
Kentucky has had a guy picked in the top three
rounds the NFL Draft the last four years. Isn't that amazing?
It's impressive. I'm trying to think a bit more of
a reaction from you all on that. I think that's
crazy for a school like Western Kentucky. I was looking
at Billy and the alum and he's just acting like
business as usual for Western over there.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
It's been like this for like a decade or so.
They've they've been a little bit of a stepics for
four years.

Speaker 1 (42:54):
As I said in the stats, it's not been a decade.
It's been that way for four years.

Speaker 4 (42:58):
Yeah, So who is that? Like Malachi Corley and Bailey
Zappy or uh?

Speaker 1 (43:04):
And then there was a defensive player I think class year.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Was the often stout on the forty nine ers.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Then I will tell you for Utah or Senior Southern
miss The new coach is Blake Anderson. This is his
first game. So interesting story he was they named him
the interim coach for the bowl game and because the
coach left, and he said, well, I would like to
be the full time coach, and they said no, we're

(43:31):
having a coaching search. So they made him interview. They
made him meant the like, they made him do all
the same things that they made other candidates do and
then they still picked it, so which is interesting. You
would think like he was already there, he had been
working there, but they ended up picking him. What I

(43:53):
like about him is at his press conference he had
frosted tips in his hair. He's a fifty five year
old man and he came to the opening press and
press conference with frosted tips, which I kind of gave
him a hard time about today on the radio. I
was like, you show up. You showed up at your
prescott because I saw a picture of Mary this year
didn't have frosted tips. He got frosted.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
Tips mid tips. Wow, huh mid.

Speaker 3 (44:18):
The opening for the like he didn't have it a
few weeks ago, so he got it for the opening
presscott Lins.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
So do you think maybe the second interview is like
is he did you already have the frosted tips or
is he so confident after the interviews.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Like maybe he got the frosted tips and they were like, no,
wait a minute, we need to do this interview. Oh
that's what happened.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
He was his normal self, got the frosted tips, Like
we don't know this version. We need to re meet you. Again,
we need to start from some square one. Blake, are
you going through a midlife crisis?

Speaker 1 (44:50):
Now? What is happening? Anyway? By the way, I have
to meet him tomorrow for a coaches so I don't know.
I may not bring up the tips in person. He's
probably listening to this. Your Titans won against him. How
was that? Well?

Speaker 2 (45:06):
Remember I told you all last week this would happen.
We just keep getting better and better. Ward made some
awesome throws. I'm really starting to believe in him. He's
getting better each week. DK Receiver. They connected on some
big plays. We're using big Jeffrey Simmons on offense and
back to back weeks. Who cares throw it out there?
We're having fun. I was in on the tank before,

(45:27):
but I got admit I was very happy for them
to win the last couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (45:30):
So Gardner Minshew followed up Pat Mahomes' ACL Tayor with
his own ACL Tayar ACL tayars for everyone, who is
the guy they put in that that was a guy
never heard of?

Speaker 4 (45:42):
What was his name, Oh god uh alaka Do from
South Dakota State. It was his second.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Ever heard of that guy and now he's gonna play.
He's gonna start the next two games. I would assume, right.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Uh, he has to start Christmas Day against the Broncos.
How much do you make the schedule with the TV schedule?
Hates that alaca do. That reminds me of my favorite
nickname of any athlete ever.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Billy Drew. Ain't know this, but there was a guy
basketball player named Mama do in Ja and on Sports Center,
one of the announcers said, ain't nobody love him like
his Mama do in Jab. It's one of the all
time great A good one. That's that's I think you like.
You don't get a better nickname than that, so olaka

(46:25):
do Uh. He's the Christmas Day games, He's starting one
of them. Josh Johnson could be starting the other one,
and Max Brosmer could be starting the other one. Christmas
Day took a huge hit with the injuries. Three. Yeah, well,
now you can actually see your family during that. Uh.

(46:45):
As opposed to as opposed to watching football, Chargers beat Cowboys.
I didn't see one minute of this anything that I
would need to have seen. Uh.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Cowboys went up earlier looking pretty good. Pickings had a
big game, but the Chargers just came back and pulled away.
Herbert had a pretty good game. It was just a
pretty standard, uh you know, nothing nothing too out of
the ordinary other than Cowboys blowing that early lead.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
No Dallas quarterback has ever led the NFL in passing yards.
Dack is on pace to do that. And Harball has
a new saying. It's called the worm has turned. And
I didn't look it up.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
But what's wrong with that?

Speaker 4 (47:23):
Is that is say, what, oh what is this? I
didn't know that.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
No, I mean that's the same. I don't know what
if why? But that's like he didn't make that up?

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Like that's the worm has turned is a thing you say,
But why why did you look it up? No?

Speaker 4 (47:38):
I did look up.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
No, it has like that's a real saying, the worm
has I've heard it. I think maybe it's maybe it's
like there's something about a change.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
I mean, they're changing or evolving.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
They got it.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
It is someone who was previously meek or long suffering
suddenly becomes assertive, defiant or fights back.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
But what does but why do what? Worms do they turn?
What is that? Like? I mean worms have to turn
at some point? Why do worms turn? But you guys
getting why that's the same. Like, no, I'm telling you
what I know. I mean, they kind of said the
alligator has turned. They say the worm has turned clearly

(48:18):
for some reason. I'm just telling you what goes Billy
while we talk about when you look up and find
why the worm has turned. I mean, I understand the
concept of turning. The question is why do we say
the worm has turned? This is the most Jim Harball

(48:40):
thing you could possibly say. I know that much. I
still don't know why the way it is a real saying.
I've heard it. I just never really had contemplated me, Well,
he looks that looks that at Cowboys out of the playoffs.
So Vikings beat the Giants, Bingals beat the Dolphins. Uh,
neither of those games really matter, except I do think Mike, Uh, Mike,
and Daniel is likely gone, don't you. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
I would have thought that earlier. I think they might
keep him and get rid of to it. There is
some reports of that after the game today.

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I was there. I didn't see that well too. I mean,
the problem is that they're on the hook for fifty
million dollars or two it whether he's there or not.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
Yeah, Quinn yours actually played pretty well today. I mean
didn't get the win between.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
The years and rookie end, but they were down what
like thirty four to three, and then he started playing
decently well.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Yeah yeah, just for a rookie thrown in like that,
it could have been much worse. Burrow was insane, that's
for sure. He had four touchdowns. Looked like the Burrow
of all them. Fun again, they can put those Andrew
luckincerns to bed. He was looking great out there.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
The Falcons played the Cardinals when I was in the
Atlanta Airport. For reasons that only the people of Atlanta know,
that was the only game available in the entire airport
was the Falcons and the Cardinals, which is not a
fun name game to watch. I mean, lines were playing
the Steelers are like, nope, can't watch that anywhere. Only

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Falcons Cardinals. So I did get to see a lot
of that victory. Texans nearly blew it to the Raiders.
You know, Raider's been awful and they had a shot
in this game. They did. When I first.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Flipped over, I was shocked to see that the Raiders
were winning. I mean, they've been terrible and you're playing
the Texans maybe the hottest defense in the league years
now in Houston. Yeah, and there were scoring points on them,
but Houston was able to just.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Hang on and win in the end.

Speaker 2 (50:27):
That would have been a terrible loss for Houston, which
still at that point was in contention AFC South still are,
but at that point the Jags hadn't won yet.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
That would have been a horrible loss. So why does
the worm turn? Really?

Speaker 4 (50:38):
It comes from a fifteen forty six collection of proverbs
by John Haywood in which he said, trade a worm
on the tail, and it must turn again. And I
don't know there, That's all I got.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
That still doesn't explain what that means. Trade a worm
on the tail and.

Speaker 4 (50:57):
What and it must turn again at the time again
also meant against or a pose.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
A worm on the tail and it must turn a game?

Speaker 4 (51:11):
Yeah, fifteen forty six.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
So I'm not even sure what that sentence means.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
I don't either, But John Haywood was was preaching it
back in fifteen forty six about how any.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Animals John Haywood's nonsensical poem in fifteen becomes something Jim
Harbaugh says, I mean, I guarantee you Jim Harbaugh is
not or you know, not read that.

Speaker 4 (51:36):
He may do. He'd be the guy. He'd be the
coach to read this to his team. That is the same.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
I think of all the coaches, he's the most likely.
He's the weirdest. I'm gonna neither of you have give
him any answers. So here's what I'm gonna do. I'm
just gonna gig google. Do worms turn? Do worms turn? Yes?
Worms can turn. Well that doesn't answer my question either.
M Hey stupid. All right, Next, the Bucks lost to

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the Panthers. I'll leave the floor to you. Are Bucks fan, Billy?
How mad were you at this loss today? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (52:14):
But this was tough. I mean they started five and one,
they're now seven and eight. Todd Bowles should be let
go at the end of the year. It's just unacceptable.
But you still can win the division. I mean, ultimately,
you played the Panthers twice. You just need to win
one of the two. So if you had won today,
I think you were in really good shape.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Now as I see it, it's basically whoever wins the
next one, the Panthers will have to beat you both times.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Well, yeah, we got to beat Miami next week. And Carolina.
We got to win these last two and then we're in.
But I mean then you still win the division, right, correct?
But the magic's gone regardless, like the Baker MVP discussion,
the litany of receivers, it's just not lining up this year.
And I mean to lose to Carolina like that was
just embarrassing. I mean it's I know that's a franchise

(52:57):
trying to turn the corner, but I mean, you've lost
to New Orleans, Atlanta and Carolina in three straight weeks.
It's embarrassing. By Tom, that is embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I was happy to see when it was the NFC
Champ South, you know, one of the it's a game
between the top two teams, because glad they gave it
to Chris Myers. I thought they wouldn't reward him for
all of his NFC South service. They did, so that
made me very happy for you.

Speaker 4 (53:22):
I thought of you guys because Chris Meyers said, I've
never heard of December crowd in Carolina quite like this.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
Well, he would know, he would definitely know. You can
take that to the bank. I didn't know. He said that.
That's great. There's no one I trust more to measure
the volume of Carolina crowds than Chris Myers. I would

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trust him more than I would the guy who owns
the franchise. Actually, all right, So tonight or tomorrow night,
Philip Rivers takes the field against the forty nine ers.
I am extremely eager to see. I think there's a
chance this goes horribly wrong. I also want him to win,

(54:10):
and I want it to be a Disney movie. But
you know, it's one thing to do at once to
another thing when your body's like, okay, we're not doing
this again, are we? I think this could go horribly wrong.

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I can't even believe we're here where on It's almost
Christmas and I'm excited to watch Philip.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
Rivers play football. Me too.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
If you had said this before the season began, I
wouldn't even know what situation could get me to watching
Philip Rivers play football. But here we are, in prime time.
I'm gonna believe he gets it done. I think they're
gonna win. I'm gonna do in Philip Rivers. I'm sure
he's been on the peloton all week, if not in
the ice tub all week. He's gonna look even better

(54:48):
in his second game. Now is it Brock Party or
Mac Jones. Again, they're the same person.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
In my mind. I think it's Brock Party, right, it
should be Rock all right. I think they're gonna destroy them,
But I will say this, I think it'll be an
amazing environment when you consider the fact that if the
Cold win, they still are set up in that last
week of the season to play the Texans to win
for the division. But they have to win to Mark

(55:13):
so it's a must win game. It's Monday night football.
It's this Philip River situation. I do think that will
be a crazy good atmosphere. And what if he does it?
What if they look good with Philip Rivers. I mean,
come on, work with me here.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
I know you think he's gonna get killed, but the
Colts still have a lot of talent.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
They still I don't think that's good for football. I
don't think it's good for the sport. If it can
be proven that a man can do nothing for five years,
get old and fat and have to and be around kids,
and they can come back in like three days and
win a football game, I don't think that's good for
the sport. I think it says like there's no other

(55:54):
sport where you could do this. You can't just like
not play baseball for five years and go hit a
home run, right, You can't not pick up a golf
club for five years and win the mat like this is.
This can't happen.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
It is a bad look for like young quarterbacks with
all the training and supplements and everything you have now.
And Philip Rivers says into a microphone, I'm fat, and
then goes out there.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
And plays the exact same position in the same sport.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
That the young, more athletic guys do, and he is
I read a column somebody in Indianapolis, I think, wrote
a column that said Philip Rivers has made me feel
older than I ever imagined because he is only forty four.

Speaker 1 (56:36):
But we talk about him like he's Grandpaul Simpson, so
like it kind of stinks because he's younger than I am,
but I talk about him like he's going to that
he fall over, And so that's also kind of phil
demoralizing that I act like he's decrepit, but it is true.
But I'm rooting for him. I mean, I've said a

(56:57):
lot of mean things. I'm rooting for him, and I
want it to work. And if it works, maybe they'll
bring out more people from retirement, maybe other sports will try.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
No.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
I like that we find out that next week instead
of Josh Johnson, we get Joe Montana.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
And Drew Brees here he comes another season on the line.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Yeah, I mean, I guess they can do it. I
mean it's better than.

Speaker 4 (57:20):
Who is the guy again for the Chiefs South Dakota
sat written down somewhere.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Ola dunke Oli Duke Well Hola duken Ola dokin Well
I Ola can't wait to watch him. Man. I hope
he uh, I hope he crushes it. All right? So
did any of us get touchdowns?

Speaker 4 (57:42):
Drew hit with JJ McCarthy with a rushing touchdown, he
is up to four points. Matt a Houston running back
did not score a rushing touchdown, so you stay at
five and you check all of them, all of them
did did not, and then Trey McBride did not score.
So it is five five four in there.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
Trying to make a late comeback here at the end
of the season.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
And I think the ones I've hit have been like ridiculous,
Like when I picked Josh Allen, doesn't hit JJ McCarthy,
who got hurt in the first quarter, hits makes no sense?

Speaker 1 (58:11):
All right, who who's the Who was your survivalley?

Speaker 4 (58:17):
It was the Saints and they did win. So we
move on. Now do you want me to change the
game at all? Like you said, I need to pick
in categories?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
Next week?

Speaker 3 (58:28):
Well, well we'll have what are we doing a midweek podcast?

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Have we talked about that? It is great, Chris? What's
our question? Yeah? Yeah, I don't know. Well, just in
case we don't, let's go ahead and say I do
think you need to pick in categories. So what you
need to do is, first, is the way they do
this is the Thursday, Friday, Saturday games. Okay, all the
games before Sunday. You have to pick one of those.
So what are the choices of those games?

Speaker 4 (58:55):
You've got Cowboys, Commanders, Lions, Vikings, Broncos, Chiefs, Texans, Chargers,
and Ravens Packers.

Speaker 1 (59:03):
You have to pick one of those. So which one
do you want of those? Well?

Speaker 4 (59:07):
Do I need to go by teams I haven't picked yet?
Or are they all on the table? Yes?

Speaker 1 (59:10):
So no, you have to pick. It has to be
one of these teams those five games, and it has
to be.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
Someone that you have not well I know, I haven't picked.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Who have you picked out of that group?

Speaker 4 (59:20):
I have picked Kansas City. I have not picked Dallas
or Washington.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Okay, have you picked the Lions or Vikings.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
I have not picked either of those teams, the Lines.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
Or the Texas Texans Chargers.

Speaker 4 (59:35):
Texans Chargers, I've picked both. And Ravens pack Ravens Packers.
I have picked neither of those teams.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
All right, so you you've got some choices. Who do
you want? See?

Speaker 4 (59:48):
This is a lot on the line here that I'm
having to make a decision on the spot. If I
haven't picked Denver, then I think that's the choice. I
gotta go here, Denver, Denver.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
Well, that's certainly the choice. I mean, you're we've already
said they're playing a quarterback none of us have heard of.

Speaker 4 (01:00:02):
Yeah, so I think I'll pick Denver there for that category.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Right now, you go to sun You're gonna need to
pick one of the Sunday or Monday. It has to
be somebody you haven't picked.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
Okay, somebody I haven't picked. Looking through this list, here quickly,
the Titans play the Saints Drew, How confident are you
and cam wardering?

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Oh no, you definitely would want the Saints. There. I
don't like that pick up.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
I've already picked the Saints, so I can't do that.
You know, I haven't picked the Bucks yet. They have
to win on the road in Miami. It'd be poetic
if they lost. So give me you pick the Seahawks. Yes,
I have picked the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:38):
What about the Patriots? Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:00:40):
Yes, I've picked the Patriots.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Okay, Well, I wouldn't want to pick Steelers Brown.

Speaker 4 (01:00:46):
Just give me Tampa. I'll go down with the ship
if it goes. So give me Denver and Tampa. It
is my two picks.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
I like those, Denver and Tampa. You could get through
this and then you would be down to the final
week Denver. So your two picks are Denver and Tampa
next week and then the next week that all the
games are once so you don't have one more. Now. Again,
you missed a couple of weeks, and they were the
ones where everyone walst. But nevertheless, that wasn't your fault.

(01:01:13):
That was the way the life works. All right. Well,
I want you all to listen to the New Orleans Bowl.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Oh yeah, we will.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Oh I'm missing that. I've got my board. I mean,
right now, nothing's written on it. But this is what
it's going to look like. And you know, you people,
right now, you don't know much about quarterback Braylan Braxton,
but you're gonna know on Tuesday as he takes Southern
miss against what is it Tisdale, the quarterback at Western

(01:01:44):
Can ask your question, Billy, because no one's answered. Why
did they take out their one quarterback and put in
Tisdale halfway through the ar You got hurt Maverick mcgiver, Yeah,
because his name was Maverick mcgiver, which is a great name,
the best.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Quarterback, and he put up crazy stats at his school
in Texas.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
He put up crazy stats earlier. He was named like
the player week three out of the first seven weeks,
and I thought he got bitched, But him getting hurt
actually makes a lot more sense, if I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Maverick's offensive coordinator came with him from Texas to Bowling Green.

Speaker 4 (01:02:16):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (01:02:17):
Yeah, well see that wasn't in the not so thanks. Yeah,
the first time for both of them. Yeah, coach, Maverick's
not playing, so it doesn't matter. All right. Well, thank
you guys very much. We will see you later. This
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