NFL Cover Zero: Thanksgiving Football Traditions

Matt Jones and Drew Franklin discuss their traditions for Thanksgiving and football.  The Cowboys and Lions make this year's games fantastic.  The Panthers streak of winning the toss and winning the game comes to an end against the 49ers.   Joe Burrow returns for the Bengals, but Matt isn't sure if it's the right decision.  How have the new kickoff rules helped Titans WR Chimere Dike lead the league in all purpose yards?  

Matt and Drew look at the early mock drafts and where the Titans will be picking.  Could WR George PIckens be one of the best trades ever after his performance in Dallas?  What should you expect in the 2nd start from Shedeur Sanders?  The Bucs got good news on Baker Mayfield's injury.  JJ McCarthy could be sidelined for the Vikings.

The Giants continue to make changes after another 4th quarter loss.  Matt recaps the festivities around the John Madden Thanksgiving before revealing their picks for the three games of the day.  What is the timeline for your Thanksgiving?  Plus, we wrap up with the Survivor and TD Parlay picks.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
NFL Covers Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is
a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast. Welcome everyone
in the NFL Cover zero podcast. Going into Week thirteen.

(00:26):
I'm Matt Jones. It's Thanksgiving Week. Drew Franklin's with me
and Billy are sports. It is the week where football
of all sorts, pro college, college basketball. There's just sports
on from the moment you get up until the moment
you go to bed, from now until Sunday, and of

(00:47):
course we'll focus on the NFL side of it. Is
Thanksgiving Week, Drew. I enjoy this week. I feel like
in some ways this is, you know, this is the
most festive time in and from a football standpoint, I
think this is probably the time you could actually watch
the most games you can get three Thursday. There's the
game on Friday, which is actually really really good this year,
and then all the games on Sunday and Monday. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
And you know, I grew up in a Cowboys family,
so it's always been football over Turkey since I've been little.
But now they've been adding more games over time. They
got that Black Friday game that includes your team. I
love NFL adding new days each season, getting more around Christmas.
Just it's not strictly Sundays and then the Thanksgiving Day anymore,
Like just throw it anywhere, put it on all the holidays.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah, do you like I mean with the Cowboys, I
know they're kind of your secondary team, they're your wife's team.
Do you like that they always play on Thanksgiving? That
that's like a part of your sort of family tradition.
You have to be there, and the Cowboys always at
the late game. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I picked up the Titans later in life, but when
I was young, I mean aunt's uncles, cousins, grandparents who
was Cowboys. We like wear Cowboys sweatshirts to Thanksgiving dinner
every year. So I have fond memories going back to
when I was a little kid watching the Cowboys every Thanksgiving.
Like I said, the food was always a second part
of the day. It was almost a Cowboys party as
much as it was the feast.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
I always, I mean, the Cowboys is the main event Thanksgiving.
Team makes sense, But I've never really understood the Lions
part of it. Like the Lions, I mean, now they're good,
but they were awful for years and I always found
that interesting that they were one of them. I'm sure
it goes back to some sort of tradition.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
Yeah, the owner that moved them from Ohio to Detroit
when they became the Lions, look for ways to market
them and got NBC to pick them up on Thanksgiving,
So you.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
Go, you're an innovative owner. Whatever that game, they probably
just said, I bet he was a Ford. I don't know,
but I'm I'm just gonna guess anything in Detroit is
ultimately a Ford. So I'm going to say that's what
it is. Well, you know, you look at the games
this year. This is like one of the better slates, Yeah,
that I think we've ever had on on Thanksgiving. I mean,

(02:51):
for years Detroit wasn't good. You get Packers, Lions, Chiefs, Cowboys,
Bengals with Joe Burrow returning against the Ravens, and then
Friday Bears Eagles. I mean, that's a heck of a
that's a heck of a run of games. It actually
makes Sunday Slate kind of not great because how good
those are.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Yeah, and like you said, for many years of the Lions,
I guess you had the Barry Sanders run where he'd
be fun to watch for.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Just see be the only time of the year I'd
ever see Barry Sanders. It's literally the only time. He
only existed in my mind on Thanksgiving, and then when
he retired early, it wasn't a lot of reason to
get up. Johnson might take one crazy catch a year,
but really, like people, you know, younger people, now you
have red zone and you have you have lee or

(03:37):
you know what do they call it? Sunday ticket? You
have the highlights. If you lived in my day, the
Lions weren't good enough to ever be on Monday night football,
and they weren't good enough to be in a feature game,
so you really didn't know they existed except for on Thursdays.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
And always found it impressive, like Thanksgiving years of a family.
The Lions will sell that place out, whether they're good
or bad, like if you're in the Detroit community, that
is just your holiday.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
Going to My mom always says the same thing, and
she will do it again today Thursday. She will be
at my house. We will get up, I will put
that game on, and she will go Why do these
people go to this? Do they not want to spend
time with their families? She says that every year, she
says it during the Lines game every year, and she

(04:25):
says it on Christmas Day with the Knicks every single year,
and I always say, Mom, this is their family tradition.
And Mom was like, I just why would you go
to You can go to a game any other day
of the year. Why would you go on Thanksgiving?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Maybe they all come back to Detroit. They tellgate like
they look forward to that, just like your mom probably
looks forward to setting the table and doing the dinner
at home.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Mom, I's not going, I can go ahead and tell you,
but I am going, and I'm looking forward to it,
and I'm looking forward to these games. We talked about
all the games on Sunday. I guess the only thing
that has happened since our last show was the Panthers
and the forty nine Ers. That was one of the
worst games I've ever seen. Brought Party throws three interceptions
in the first half and yet they're still leading, which

(05:08):
I think says everything you needed to know about the game.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
You had that Bryce Young is just getting crushed for
He could have walked in and gotten a touchdown, but
instead throws an interception into traffic. There's that screenshot clip
where it's like dude, just just run it in.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
You're there. But he threw the bad pick and the
goal line. Just an ugly game Monday night. You know,
when you saw forty nine Ers Panthers at the beginning
of the year, you probably thought that's what it would be,
and then over the course of the season you talked
yourself into Okay, maybe that's a good game. No, it
was not.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
The fireworks were after the game, honestly, not even the
game with the getting the old.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
What do you think of that? You can't do that?
Are you a lot?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
But it was a pretty good uppercut. We've been debating spitting.
The shot to the crosh is worse than spitting. I'm
putting that above spitting.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Oh you you think it's more disrespectable to hit someone
in the crotch than to spit.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
That's that was intentional. He sized him up, he found
his target and went full uppercut. I completely get why
he skitting was the worst thing that could ever happen.
Now we have something worse.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Take away his guys, let's let's roll it in. Let's
let's we've had multiple spinning incidents now this now, come on, guys,
it's the holidays. That's coming to WWE. I was excited
because I discovered last night for my first time, the uh,
the Carolina Mike guy, the you know the if you
have one hundred fifth? Do we have that?

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Can you play it one hundred?

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:31):
I can play it? Okay. So for people don't know,
this is a guy who is in Carolina.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
I think he's actually in Minnesota, but has a Carolina
man cave in Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
She's a Carolina Panthers fan stuck in Minnesota. Yes, which
is he has to be one of one like he does.
There's not a lot of watch parties for him, wouldn't
you think. I think that's why every time we see him,
he's in his basement. No one else is in the
basement else there. He's also you said he's in accountant. Yeah,
he's got some regular day job, but just diehard super
fan at night for the Panthers of all time. That's

(07:01):
so great and his If you haven't seen the video,
look up Carolina Mike. The reason I founder is they
played this on the Maning Cast. Luke Combs of all
people said, I love this guy, and if you watch
the Maning Cast video of it, Luke is dancing like
he's a fifteen year old girl a Taylor Swift concert

(07:22):
when he's singing, and I'm kind of like that too.
We have to play it because I love it. So
this is Carolina Bike on the Panthers. Y'all got a question?

Speaker 4 (07:34):
You're ready to support these Carol out of Panthers as
they keep pounding against these Green Bay packers.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Also, if I had one hundred fifty thousand dollars very.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Similar, what I would do?

Speaker 4 (07:46):
Y'all?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
What would you do?

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Spend one hundred thousand on a football team? Wait a minute,
that's not enough to buy a team. Spend one hundred
thousand on a tricked out Porsche?

Speaker 1 (07:55):
Wait? What? Minnesota? Is so too much?

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Me a tennis car outside of my house? But that
at waits going to make me tear every down. Just
Mike in a tiny home inste I get to resisting
nine and I'm gonna eat them all up. Might get
me a plane and buy a Spain except I don't
even know how to buy.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Like, I'm gonna get.

Speaker 4 (08:16):
Me a big old bus, one bigger number. All of
us to double dutch get and chased by Tuck of
the cruise around windows down town years.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Now, I could analyze these lyrics all.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
That one hundred and fifty thousand.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
That's everything I like about this song is that he's
a contrarian, right, everything he says. He then gives the
argument against it. So if I had one hundred and
fifty thousand, i'd buy a football team. And no, wait
a minute, that's not enough to buy a teeth. He
recognizes this is what I want to do with it,

(08:53):
not able to. Then he says, you know what, all right, fine,
I'll buy a tricked out porch, a Porsche. But here's
the problem. I live in Minnesota, snows all the time.
Can't do that. I don't buy tennis corked that'd be great.
Oh wait, my hoa will not let me put up
a tennis court first. Not many songs that have hoa, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
I like it's almost like he's budgeting and brainstorming in
his brain. We're here in his thought process for what
he's gonna do.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Here we are, and he's like, okay, fine, I'll fly
playing to Spain. Oh wait a minute, I can't even fly.
Why I can't do that? I can't do that? So
I do like the guys like he's just going through
all the possibilities, but he knows in the end he's
not gonna be able to do any of these things
with one hundred and fifty thousand.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
You mentioned Luke Comb's big Panthers fan loves him, but
I think Panthers fans they've just completely embraced him. He
performed at the game, and they were at the game.
There were players on the sideline singing. It wasn't just
other fans, some of the.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Players that really yeah, well, where y'all mix stepped away?
He has filled that void for the Panthers. Who would
have thought the best celebrity fans of twenty twenty five
would be for the Carolina Panthers. I mean, that's an
organization that I would have never thought of any of
their fans. And now you've had meow Mix, and you've
now had Carolina Mike. I'm I'm in now. I went

(10:16):
to his account and it's Carolina Mike on TikTok. He's
having a little bit of the same problems that that
that that mc hammer had, which he is just or
excuse me, whooped there? It is you know, tag team
back again, and they couldn't come up with other songs,
so they just did other whoops. So they did like

(10:37):
whoop theirs in Adams for the Adams Family. He's doing
a little bit of that because he was like, if
I had one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, I'd go
to Bojangles. It's like, I feel like you'd be gold
at Bojangles. So he has a lot of different versions
of it. But I'm still a man for the original Panthers.
I kind of like that though.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
It's like, why create a new hit if every time
I put a new one of these up people love it?
Now part of me feels bad, like for our listeners
that just heard this. Sorry, that's gonna be in your
head for the next two days. It doesn't leave. That
will be stuck your heads.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
One hundred and fifty thousand, You're gonna be in your head.
It's already in my head. Well, I love it, and
I wouldn't have known it if it weren't for that
game last night. So as terrible as that game was,
it gave us one really positive thing.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
It also broke the coin toss streak that Billy has
been pushing where Carolina was six and oh when they
win the coin toss. They won last night, he texted
us Carolina won the toss and the didn't finish the game,
said text, it was.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
A tweet that Billy are sports by the way it was,
They're now six and one when they win. I do
like your wearing your generic NFL hat in front of
a big sunpot for people who don't know. Billy went
to the Bills game and bought just an NFL hat
that just says NFL on it you it's the Rob
Low hat. Well, it's my team. I'm not a Bill fan.

(11:51):
Your team is the league. I'm the league. So like,
who does the NFL compedia gets? Like the USFL? Is
that what you UFL?

Speaker 5 (11:57):
That's more of like a farm system, Like we get
a lot of talent from the the USFL.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Steak, he's back to the Wii here. I don't. I
don't know if you've earned a wei from the NFL.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
Well, they liked my Dick Van Dyke shoes, so I
figured that was, uh, that was my signal to go
all in.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Yeah, well I do. It's a nice hat. It's just
a little you know, the little corporate. It fits him
though he's he wants to be that reporting objective if
he doesn't want to tie himself to a certain team,
he's just all about your everybody's team. You're like when
I was growing up and a guy was running for
office in Middlesbrough and he put an ad out UH

(12:34):
for the season preview for our region and it said
I support all thirteenth Region teams. I support them all,
which I don't think. You just don't think that's possible.
You're kind of you're kind of like that, you support
all NFL team.

Speaker 5 (12:48):
I want everybody to have fun, be safe, you know,
rooting against injuries.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Never want to see that. We are against injuries as injuries,
and yes, Daniel Jeremize Pro Pro Injury podcast, we are
anti get those injuries out here, all right. So it's
all as we like to. We like to do the
headlines and Billy, I will let you go what's up first? Yeah,
you alluded to my first one.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Joe Burrow is expected to play on Thanksgiving Night versus
the Ravens. He suffered a turf toe injury Week two. Cincinnati,
who was three and eight on the season, went one
in eight without Burrow during that time. Joe Burrow talked
today and said that he could not sit. If he
was healthy, I would listen. It's gonna be great to
see him.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
It's gonna make that game Sunday night better or excuse me,
Thursday night better. But I don't know why they're well,
I don't know why he's coming back. I mean they're done.
I think this is I think that's a bad decision.
I mean, it's gonna be more entertaining, but it's a
bad decision, don't you think.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Yeah, I guess guy just wanposed to go play football,
like he says. But you know, again, we're anti injury.
But if something were to happen there, that would be
a huge misstep in how they've handled bringing him back.
I mean, they have nothing to play for. They're like
bottom three everything statistics on offense.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
And they've got a lot they're gonna have guys out,
So I mean he's he's gonna be playing. I mean,
Jamar Chase will be there, but he's gonna have his
next two receivers are out. Maybe he just.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
Wants to try to take the Ravens out of the hunt.
When you got a good rival, sometimes you just want
to go punish them. So maybe he thinks he can
give them a loss, just to kind of get it
Lamar in the.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Group, I think this is a I think it's a
bad decision. I'll be honest now. I mean, ultimately it's
his decision, but I just I wouldn't do it. Now.
I'm excited to watch him play. I don't think Joe
Flacco has been bad. I mean, that's not their problem.
Burrow will be better than Flacco, but it's not like
the quarterback has been the difference. It's been everything else.
Although their defense did play better against New England stepped up.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Did you like the way Burrow announced it with that
picture of him where he looks like he's in high
school with the Lebron jersey that's way too small.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
He just said he's back. Help me understand that though,
because Cleveland, even though the Calves are not a rival
of a Cincinnati, the city of Cleveland is is that.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
I think it's an old picture where maybe where Lebron
came back and like a young Burrow was excited and
he sent that out and it just says he's been that.
I think he's like a really old photo of him,
maybe even in the high school or something in reference
to Lebron because he has the jersey on.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I mean, that's his way of saying he's back. I'm back. Yeah,
it's just I always think it's funny. I think if
you're going to do that, I mean, I guess remember
your audience. I know, the Brown's and the Bengals, they're
like big rivals, and you're picking a Cleveland team. Although
I don't know, do people in Cincinnati cheer for the
Calves because they don't have their own teams?

Speaker 5 (15:29):
I was going to say not another NBA team, so
that seems fair, But do.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
You know do people in Cincinnati cheer for the Calves.
I don't know. It doesn't seem like it, and what
we know of been around there in friends, we never
I mean I do know. It makes me mad when
I try to watch League Pass. I can't watch Calves
games because they're like, this is your local team, and
I'm like, based on what there's no scenario where Cleveland
is my local team Cleveland, why would why would I

(15:55):
go to Cleveland? So I really get annoyed. They give
me three local teams, the Pacers in Cleveland, and I
don't watch any of them. It doesn't hurt you told
the team you're actually wanting to watch his place, and
when it comes to the Grizzlies, there's no physical way
for me to watch it.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
No.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I mean when I even if you buy the local
fan will, they'll give you pacers and caps, but they
will not give you Grizzlies. So if a man wanted
to watch a Grizzlies game, impossible.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
It is odd when you get these packages and you
think it includes everything, but they're like, no, this city
seven hours away from you does not count.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
There. Wolf make some of these picks as we go,
but we'll just do this one. Who do you like
in Baltimore? Do you think you think Burrow can get

(16:50):
a victory.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
I think Baltimore will win it, but I'm glad he's
playing selfishly that if you weren't playing, I wouldn't be
nearly excited obviously, so that gives that game some juice.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
But I think Baltimore will win it. Baltimore is a
seven point favorite. I mean I wouldn't take the points.
I would take the Bengals and the points agree with you.
I think that's a lot, especially when you consider that
the Bengal or e sue me. The Ravens offense still
is kind of Sputtering did against the Jets as well,
So I would take the seven, even though I think
Baltimore ends up winning.

Speaker 5 (17:18):
What's next the Titans maybe one to ten, but they
do have a bright spot. Titans rookie wide receiver Chamir
dk leads NFL and all purpose yards with one thousand,
seven hundred and sixty. Second place is nearly three hundred
yards behind him, with Jonathan Taylor at over fourteen hundred.
He's on pace to break the all time records set
by Darren Sproles back in twenty eleven with two thousand,

(17:39):
six hundred and ninety six.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
The little misleading, I mean that the problem for all
purpose yards from now on is is that it's going
to be disjointed because of the new kickoff rule because
you're you essentially have to run it back. So whereas
even back in the eighties, half the kicks were touchbacks,
now they're all runbacks, and you're going to get a

(18:02):
good twenty five to thirty yards nearly every time. So
I do think think very cool. I think it's more
impressive he's leading the league, although part of the reason
he's leading the league is because the Titans give up
so many points that's true. So there's a ton of kickoffs.
So I mean it's an interesting statistic, but when you
break it down, I don't know that it's as impressive

(18:22):
as it would be otherwise.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Yeah, he has a ton of kickoff yardage. Now he
has taken two punks back, but I mean that's hest.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Impressive to me too. I just he gets more chances.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Yeah, I mean, I love I even mentioned him last week.
Is finally something I have hope with with the Titans.
He's been a great rookie and even wards get a
little better. But as a receiver, he still only has
like three or four hundred yards on the season, so
he's doing all of his work on the punter turns.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Do you think there is a talent, like a discernible,
real talent to running those back or is it just
go I think there's got to be a talent. I mean,
Devin Hester is the obviously sample. But I mean, all right,
right now, tell me other great kick returners. Devin Hester
is the one. Everybody knows Dante Hall was great back

(19:06):
in to day. Not I think Devin Hester is the
only person. Is he in the Hall of Fame? I'm
not sure he should be he should be. He he
was only kick returner in the Hall of Fame just
for being a kick returner. That may be made up,
but I think that's true. Make it as a cornerback.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Okay, what Deshaun Jackson was somebody that ran back some kicks?

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Well, Dion was pretty good. He did to do it
all the time. I mean you could go to like
was it like Josh Cribs and Booth the Browns. He
seemed to always billy white shoes Johnson.

Speaker 6 (19:40):
This is a deep cut for more of I do.
He has a great touchdown celebrator, a great one. Yeah,
this is more of a deep cut for our local
Kentucky audience. But like in college, we had a Derrek
Avenue who was a fine receiver. But I mean when
he got the ball, he broke an sec record that
still stands.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Ask your question about billy white shoes Johnson, Yeah, doesn't
everybody wear white shoes?

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Well?

Speaker 1 (20:00):
You know my cause my cleats just happened, so we
saw a lot of it. But I'm just saying, like
was it. I feel like if I'm thinking about cleats,
I kind of think about white So why was he?
Why isn't everyone white shoes? Why isn't it like Joe
white Sho's name. That's a good question. I mean, why
did he get or was he the first guy to
do it? Did he make it to where we all

(20:21):
wear white shoes? Now? What did everybody wear before? I'm
not sure, but he did the touchdown dance that emphasized.
They didn't call him Billy touchdown Johnson. They called him
Billy white shoes jacks. And I think that was the
funky chicken. They don't call him funky check. They don't
call him funky chicken.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
Billy Well, that could have been it too, but they
were looking at his white shoes while he was doing that.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Okay, but there, I don't know. That's just a weird
thing to call someone. It would be like a baseball
stadium going Aaron baseball cap judge. Yeah, but so was
everyone else? Yeah? Uh the Internet.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
I googled it quickly on the flys that his high
school team wore black shoes and he wore white ones.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
So it started in high school. Oh so in high
school he was wearing different than the other team. When
he got to the pros, do you think his teammates
were ever like, well, we're wearing white shoes too, dude,
maybe he started a trend. Don't act like I don't
hear the first person that ever came up with this.
All right, what were we talking about? Kicker turner turners

(21:17):
returners are you Are you excited about having that guy
on the team. Yeah, he's a rookie. Cam Ward's a rookie.
Cam hadn't thrown a pick in like three or four weeks.
We've covered three straight games. I still want the number
one pick. I don't want us to get too good
right now. It's us. I think they have two wins.
I think we're the only one win team.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
You only have one.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
You don't want to win that.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
No, I didn't want to beat the Cardinals, but I
do like DK and cam warden as as something to
build it.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Do you need a quarterback? Although I don't know if
a quarterback is gonna go number one, probably won't. No, No,
we don't need quarterback. I honestly I don't know this
draft class very well yet. But if they wanted to
trade it and load up, who needs so much help?
Let's see who's projected at the top of it. I
honestly have absolutely.

Speaker 5 (21:57):
I think it's like three Ohio State players are the
first four picks in one of I.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
What do you mean one of yours? You don't have.
You don't have the modern t like dot's not act like. Well,
remember the NFL dot com has I'm I'm a hero
one now right now they have well this must be
old because they have the Jets projected isn't in one pick? No,
they do right now via projected trade with your type. Yeah,

(22:25):
honestly they should trade it. They need so much help. Okay,
just after Francis Fernando Mendoza going number one, we don't
need that good. Their number two would be Dante more
But they really are picking quarterbacks. Let's see where they
have you going. There. They have you taking Jordan Tyson,
wide receiver Arizona State.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
We need wide receivers, quarterbacks and a pass rusher on
the edge are three huge needs.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
The first non quarterbacks are Francis my Mayugoa from Miami,
Jordan Tyson, three quarterbacks in top five, r Vel Reese,
Ohio State linebacker that you Ruben bain Edge from Miami,
and then Kendrick falk Edge from Auburn. I really just
I haven't heard of these people. I'm sure they're wonderful humans.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
It's funny here in the Times projected to get a
top receiver because Titans have always wanted a top receiver,
and when we finally get aj Brown, they just.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Let him go for nothing. Yeah, well we got that
to look forward to. We get to go to the
draft this year. By where is it Is it in? Uh?

Speaker 2 (23:20):
Somewhere we get to go? I think is it in?
It's like Cleveland or something that's not that. It's not
Vegas or one of the fun ones and maybe not clear.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
You tell me I have to go to Cleveland. Pittsburgh.
Be good, it's a little better. It one like Vegas. Somewhere.
Exit Pittsburgh, Let's go. I actually don't know if we're going.
I'm just acting as if we're going. I mean, we
could go. They can't stop us. They're not like fans
from going. I mean, he's got an NFL hat in

(23:49):
the north. If you do that, all right? What's next?

Speaker 5 (23:52):
Speaking of the Steelers, I saw this stat and thought
it was interesting. George Pickens has been great for the
Cowboys this year. He has one thousand and fifty four
receiving yards on the season. All Steelers receivers combined have
only one thousand and eighty two receiving that's about year.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
Was that one of the best trades of all time?
I mean they gave what you all gave the Cowboys
a third round pick for that guy, and he's now
he's wide receiver one. Right, he has CD, he's out
playing CD Lamb. I mean, the Steelers are done with him.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
He had some attitude problems, wasn't really performing living up
to the hype, and I don't know what got into
him in Dallas. Maybe he realized, you know, he needed
to step it up and play the way he's expected.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
He's been awesome. I mean, there's one hundred and fifty
yards in a touchdown last two games. So there's usually
people who say, well, if he's if he's a problem
in Pittsburgh, then he's certainly going to be a problem
somewhere else. But in this case, that's not been the case.
I mean, he's been unbelievable. That stat is amazing, more
receiving yards than than the whole Pittsburgh wide receivers act under. Yeah,
just under And that's with you know, Aaron Rodgers k Metal.

(24:52):
I mean, Pickens is out playing DK, who they wentn't
got that's that's pretty amazing. I'll give you another amazing stat, Matt.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Christian McCaffrey leads the NFL in receptions this year with
eighty one.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
I feel like, though doesn't he he's if he leads,
but he gets when he's not healthy. He gets a
crazy number of exceptions every year because they's dumping off
to him. I think he had nine touches on the
first drive of the game last night Verus Care. We
have something like a few years back, everybody goes there's
just too much offense in the NFL, and now it
feels like, at least when it goes to throwing down
field with the exception of Jackson Smith and Jig, but

(25:25):
it feels like there hasn't been as much of that
and that you're seeing a lot more kind of Christian
McCaffrey as stats.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
Yeah, it always corrects itself. And I saw McCaffrey. He's
like the first player to have a thousand rushing thousand
receiving in a couple of straight years. Like, I'm pretty
rare to do that, but there's some stat where he's
one of the first to do thousand receiving, thousand rushing.
I mean his anytime. Touchdown odds Monday night was minus
three fifty. That's no crazy, really score touchdown in the NFL.

(25:53):
He score, Yes, I mean just the minus creep gifty.
I've never I've watched touchdown bets closely. I've never seen
minus three fifty. Not even Jonathan Taylor this year, I don't.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
I've certainly never seen that. That's amazing. Well, Pickens has
been one of the stars of the NFL. If you
were to do I mean it's not MVP, but if
you were to do like breakout Star of the Year
in the NFL, which is not a it's not an
A ward, but we can make the NFL cover to
make it, would it be? I think I'd probably go

(26:24):
Jackson Smith and Jigbu because it's just not a person
I've spent a lot of time in my life thinking
about and I can now pronounce his name correctly, which
wasn't true until this year. So I think I'd probably
pick him. Who would you pick?

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yeah, I actually sit around and think about Jayson a
lot and just have days where I'm just like, wonder
what he's doing it right now? He's been special. Honestly,
Pickens is a great, great up pick uh. I thought
there was a moment where Rico Dabele he had quite
a stretch where was like, oh, what is he found?
He's cooled off a little bit, had a period of time.
You might have said that about him too. Yeah, so
definitely those guests. Yeah, that's who I would go with.

(26:57):
Who's your vote for?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Bryce Young?

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Does your rookies count? I know it's their first year,
but Jackson, I mean.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
You can't. You can you can't break out if we
never saw you play before. First of all, how can
you pick that he's been hurt? I thought he's been
fantastic though when he's lay like five weeks he broke
an all.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Time record for rushing touchdowns from a quarterback spot. I
mean it's been impressive.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
So do you mean he broke it?

Speaker 5 (27:17):
What was the re consecutive games with the rushing touchdown?

Speaker 1 (27:20):
But it wasn't it like four? It was five.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
Okay, you're easily doing hey man, one must want us
some money on.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
The h I think you just think he's handsome. I know,
if we're doing rookies, I'm gonna throw in Harold Finn
and Junior. We're not doing rook from bowling, don't get
to be part of this award that I just created
out of nowe Just remember on our first ever podcast,
I said watch for Harold Fan and Junior from Bower.

(27:57):
Who's next?

Speaker 5 (27:58):
Speaking of the browns sder Sanders is going to be
starting another week for the Cleveland Browns as they take
on the forty nine ers this week at home.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
So where are you on shed or standards? Rooting for him?
I enjoyed the moment last week. It was in Vegas?
Was it? It was there a moment. The fifty three
yard pass was a moment. He didn't die. I wish
they had gotten no, no, no, no, you're not the dump
off at That was a good pas guy.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, stopped on the one. I wish you could have
seen that through for touchdown. I will say I was
smiling for that. Now I'm not walking around showing off
my wrists and doing the watch dance. And I honestly
not to be a hater. I think he's gonna have
a come down moment.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
That's going to be That could be bad. What about
his statement, I mean we talked about it a little
bit last show. But the if you give me now
you see, if you give me a full year what
I can do. I mean, it's it's a little I mean,
it's a little much, right, Yeah, And I don't want
to sound like old school football purist guy. But he's
still doing a lot of I I me, me, me.

(28:58):
I think Rex Ryan or somebody even came out was like, hey,
when you win.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
It's we If you lose, you say I But there's
still a lot of.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
Seems to have an issue with him. I don't know
what it's about. Maybe because he hasn't seen his feet,
I don't know, but but when talks it is all
about me. I'm sorry, Rick Fry I met. He was
always very nice to me when I was speaking of brothers.
I think he makes fun of himself on that. I
feel like, yeah, I don't know, he's as far as
far as I know, he's a perfectly nice guy. So
I don't mean that was that was a low blow.

(29:28):
But sometimes I think Chador is you know, his dions kid.
Of course he's gonna be a little full of himself.
I think in this moment he d Gabriel get along.
I mean, is there a world in which they could
get along, because I feel like, first of all the
world has put them against each other, and then I
don't think Chador is ever at all gracious towards him publicly.

(29:52):
Now maybe privately they're good, but.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
They gotta be somewhat close just going through the meetings now,
I doubt they're like going.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Let me play. And the implicit in that as you
suck Drew didn't, DIDN'TDG take a shot at him? Once?
You and this DG. You always say DG. It blows
my mind. We call everyone by their names, but you
and Dylan Gabriel, it's DG. Why are you so close
to you?

Speaker 5 (30:16):
I don't know, Maybe because I'm rooting for him, Like
everybody was like counting them out.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
They didn't want him, They wanted Shadur so and you
wanted DG. Sorry, it throws me off when you said, yeah,
what was the question, sorry.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
Billy, I got didn't DG like make like a make
it like a comment like at a press conference about
Shadur How he was like, you know, some people are
taking it more seriously than others, or something like that.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I'd had to go back. It was implied, Okay, I
don't remember that. There's about SS.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
There's little things like when Gabriel was playing well and
just taking over.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
He did the schador Di the mime. I mean, I
don't know that they like each other. I mean, I
don't know if they dislike each other.

Speaker 2 (30:59):
And part of your competitive if that guy's wants your
job and you want his job, that probably happened.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
To be teammates, though. I mean, that's the that's the
weird and unlike it other positions where I can play
running back and you can too, and we can both
play quarterback, there can only be one. Like I was
talking to Max Stuffy, that's our friend. He tried to
punt uh. He was in training camp for the Broncos
in a punting competition and it was just him and
one other guy and one of them was going to

(31:24):
get the job and the other one was going to
be on the street. And I asked him. I was like,
how'd you deal with that guy? And he was like,
we didn't do anything. We didn't talk like, I didn't
hate to take a lead. We were trying. We were
fighting every day. And he was like, so, I said,
were you work did you work together? And he was
like no, I guess Chadur and.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
DG are already on the team together. They're going to
rookie events together. They're probably going through the exact same
process side by side.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Though this is like one of these situations. This is
not like you can be starter backup in two years.
Only one of these guys is gonna be on the team.
But I don't think that's any different than any other
locker room. I'm sure every third stream once the second
stringer's job. That's just I would say, petty of juices.
I don't know, I feel like this is worse. I
feel like the fact they're both rookies, they're both started
the season's backups, I just feel like they they they

(32:18):
hate each other. I mean, I'm not reporting it, but
I feel pretty confidently is this going to be on
like the scroll of the bottom events on that but
Matt Jones reporting Shador and Dylan Gabriel hate each other
on the show, Billy our Sports says DG is his favorite.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
By the way, on that scroll, I know we've done
already half a season on this. When I'm watching NFL
Network and our names go down at the bottom, I'm
like a little kid.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I get up to deposit and I take pictures and
I send it to my mom. I don't do that
about anything else that we do. But when they do that,
I still am am just riding high that we're doing this.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah. Look, somebody literally just moments ago on Twitter tweeted
me and he can't be listening because we're not doing
this live about your hat. Hey, someone literally is tweeting
about your hat right now. Yeah, that's the one that's
out of stock. I'm trying to find that one still,
that one would be uh that well? Rob Low made
it very popular. Did you're going to make that one popular?

(33:15):
What's next?

Speaker 5 (33:15):
We're trying to hear some other quarterback news. Baker Mayfield
suffered a low grade sprained shoulder in his non throwing
shoulder in that Rams game. He should be good to
go to play this next round.

Speaker 1 (33:25):
That's good news for them. I mean they weren't sure
about that. I thought that he might be out. Are
have you given up? I mean you all no, not yet?
What is the what's the ceiling of what you think?
Do you still think you can make a super Bowl
or did you give that up? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (33:39):
I've probably given the super Bowl up. Defense is too
bad for that. They can win the division for a
fifth straight year, but then a home wild card loss
is definitely in our future.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
So you are going to play. You're going to play
that Saturday early game in the playoffs, right, Yeah, probably
against who's going to be the five seed San Francisco. Yeah, An,
it's going to be you, And to say it, well,
but you'll host. So I think you and San Francisco
that's a good early Saturday game because no one will

(34:07):
care about that game. Yeah, I feel like that's what
we're getting you. I like you in that spot. Though
the early game Baker playoff should be like nine am
for San Francisco will still be sleepy.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
I mean I just watched him throw three interceptions in
the first half two nights ago, so you got that.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
Yeah, maybe Mike Evans comes back and can be a decoy.
Uh but yeah, the seion definitely.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
When you say Mike Evans to me, you're it's like
you're saying, maybe Roger Craig can come back. Like I
feel think Mike Evans has been in the league so long,
and I guess because he hasn't played this year, he
just seems like a name from a different generation to me.

Speaker 5 (34:43):
First ballot Hall of Famer, though there's no doubt about it.
You're gonna go greatest receivers to ever play.

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Yeah, I'd love to you seem like you. Is he
your favorite? Who's your favorite Buck of all time? Either
Mike Alstar or Jamis probably Jeamus? Yeah, interesting Mike Alstott.
That's very much like a I don't know, it's very
much like a why dude like us favorably.

Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, somebody needs to bring his shoulder pads back. He
had the best shoulder pads, those big things. Huge Yeah,
huge bucks. I think the first name that comes to
my mind's Warren.

Speaker 1 (35:21):
Sap Sap Brooks, war Dunch Done, fun Group, Lynch, Yeah, Lynch,
I forget about warg Done. That's a good one. Brad Johnson.
It's got to be the hair, Jinx, What do you mean?
It's got to be the hair. He did car commercials
in Tampa, and you expect everyone in the country to
know that, did you? Just like you think everybody's gonna

(35:41):
know the Tampa. He also has a trick shot channel
on TikTok. Now, that's good. I watched that. It's impressive.
What is it? I don't know what this is.

Speaker 5 (35:48):
So Brad Johnson will throw a football and hit goalposts
or things.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Like that. Even now he's what dude perfect wants to be.
How old is he? He's like got to be fifty, isn't.
Oh yeah, he's pushing sixteen fifty. He's gonna be probably
early fifties. And he's still throwing it like he's slinging it.
Calls himself big Bad.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
It's not like he's just kind of throwing one in
from a three point line on the basketball court.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
He has some crazy trick shots. Good for you, big
Bad Brad. And what was the commercial? It's got to
be the hair. What did that mean? He just had
great hair, always had great hair. So the commercial was
like I have great Was it selling something? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (36:25):
Cars? From what I remember my hazy memory of my childhood, have.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Brad Johnson is a look at my hair, come by
this car. If all the bucks we named there could
be that.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I need to look at his hair and see if
it was really good? Is it was? It was? It
felt like it was like your standard go to your
just the shopping center of fifteen dollars haircut. It's like
Brad Johnson quarterback. I mean, no offense, but like that hair,
it's just a cut.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
I mean it's just oh it wasn't that for the commercials?
Though in Tampa he had much better hair than that,
whatever that cut was.

Speaker 1 (36:55):
I see no pictures of Brad Johnson with good hair, non.
I mean, first of all, this is what he looks like?

Speaker 4 (37:02):
Is this?

Speaker 1 (37:02):
What is this? The guy slinging right here? Oh? Yeah, yeah,
that's that's big bad bread. It's bread. He's bigger. Now.
I don't think he had good hair. I think you,
I think you're thinking about it. Is also, why was
he talking about his hair for a car commercial? That
is a better question than if he had good hair.
I think my question is still valid because I've yet
to see a picture of him in good hair. I'll

(37:23):
find the I'll find the commercial. I want to see
his flow. What's next.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
The other quarterback news I had besides Brad Johnson and
Baker Mayfield is that JJ McCarthy is in concussion protocol.
There's a chance he doesn't play this week's game versus
the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Matt, do you know who the Vikings are? It's a rookie.
His name's like Max Scherzer.

Speaker 5 (37:41):
Uh Brosmer, So pretty good Max Brosmer?

Speaker 1 (37:45):
And where did he play? Drew? And I looked it
up before the show started. Minnesota, Minnesota.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Yep, he's one of those people that played it like
three colleges.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Max Brosmer of Minnesota is going to get to play
for Minnesota.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
Might be replacing nine as the starting quarterback of the
Viking nine.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I'm excited. I love when random dudes get to play
like I love the quarterback is somebody from like beer
fart state, I do enjoy. I mean, I don't know
if Minnesota is exactly that, but I no one knows
Max Prosmer, and I'm excited to watch him play.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Who is a New Hampshire before he was at Minnesota.
So he started at the lower level.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Oh they're gonna get destroyed, aren't they. He's gonna get
So he started at New Hampshire, Yes, then to the
Golden Gophers, then to the Vikings. He could be better
than JJ McCarthy. Well that would be bad if Max
brod what if he in look good man, I'm so
I'm excited now. I I every year you get one
of these games where one year my bears had it,

(38:46):
they had like Tyler hat Pagent Orgent and he played
somewhere random and came in and actually played pretty well.
So maybe Max prosmer will.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yes, sometimes these guys get shots to Stig are out.
Billy your Western Kentucky Bailey's appy. He's still on a
roster somewhere. I remember when he got his first minute.
He's the he's shdoors back. He shdoor's backup this week.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
So you can make it to the league from anywhere. Yeah, well,
all right, what's next?

Speaker 5 (39:12):
The Giants fired their defensive coordinator just recently, Shane Bowen.
It was a fifth time they blew a ten plus
point lead, that is an NFL record. By the way,
their defense ranked thirtieth overall. And Sunday's loss the Giants
it was their twelfth straight road loss. So they've fired
their head coach and their defensive coordinator in a matter
of two weeks.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
So his name is some bowman right boeing Bowen. So
I was driving around. I was in the drive through
right lane at Jaggers, which i'd never tried before. I've
heard good things, haven't been yet. It's fine, but it's
very inexpensive, like I think that's why people like it.
Like sandwich is like five dollars, which you don't see
that nowadays. So there's your Jaggers add But the while

(39:55):
I was in line, I had it on the NFL
radio because I like the two old guys that are
on the afternoon moving the chains. It wasn't on yet,
so I don't know what was on. But one of
the guys that was doing it was is a Giants guy,
and he was going off on this guy and he
was like, everyone who's ever watched a football game has

(40:15):
said to themselves in the last couple of weeks that
Shane Bowen doesn't know what he's doing. And I was like,
I don't think that's true. I've watched the football game,
never thought about that guy, Not one time have I
ever thought about it. But then they said, you know,
he's he's given up ten point leads. He's given up
a lead of ten points six games this year. But

(40:38):
the guy that fired him just got the job a
week ago, and a week ago he said I have
full confidence in him for the rest of the year,
and then one week later he got rid of him
on a game they almost won in Detroit. So that
seems odd to me.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, I have a little bit of He was the
Titans defensive coordinator for three years before the Giants and
it was kind of a mixed bag. We had a
year we was really good. They were the AFC Championship run.
They were tops in a lot of categories. But his
weakness was defending the past. We always had a good
run defe So when the he left with the Titans
and they picked him up immediately, it was kind of
a okay, enjoy Is it.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Well known that he's not someone you want with your
I mean, was he not? Was it well known that
he was having They said he doesn't know how to
call play? Like this guy was going off on him.
Sounds about right coming from my organization. Yeah, a good
year and it took him a while to get my
chicken sandwich. So I was like, is this guy gonna
just continue to rail? I mean, the guy got fired.
Give him a break, you know he could maybe he

(41:33):
needs a job here, you go work there now. Yeah,
well he will not be so uh. And then they
got mad. They're like, well they've promoted so and so.
Who's never called plays before. I'm like, well, what do
you want him to do? You just fired the other guy.
Somebody's gotta start, somebody's got to do it. And the
guy just never called plays. I mean he's got to
start somewhere.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 5 (42:04):
My final news note is another coaching change chi if
Kelly was fired in the middle of our last show.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
Las Vegas is making Greg Olsen's brother Accordon and Drew.

Speaker 5 (42:14):
Their interim offensive coordinator, the quarterbacks coach Greg Olsen. This
will be Olsen's third stint as the Raiders offensive coordinator.
He held the job in twenty thirteen and fourteen, then
again in twenty eighteen to twenty twenty one, and now
again here in twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Five, which team, the Raiders. That is kind of amazing
that he would have the job three times, the same
three separate times. Yeah, look, what did you not like
about it the first time? Said he'd changed so much?
Or did he just hang around? It's like, I'll give
it to me. He just has like a long term
lease and so he can't go work anywhere else. And
every few years they're like, you know what, Greg's a

(42:49):
good guy. He keeps hanging around. He's cheap. Let's bring
him back. His name is Greg Olsen. Two yes, hm,
so it's tough for him. Two people.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
We did this with Josh Allen's Yeah, they're both good. Yeah,
I mean this, Greg Olsen doesn't stand a chance. The
moment I heard this, I thought was a broadcaster stepping away.
Craig Olsen so well, I mean there's a very small
chance this will work. I mean they stink.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, I guess that's why they're getting to Greg. They're
worse than your Titans are. I mean they may have
one more win, but they're worse. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
We're we're finding some life at the end of the year,
and they are going the complete opposite way.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
The thing about Old Vegas downtown is it smells like cigarette.
I love it. I prefer it. Do you my last
fell You really love it? Absolutely might say my last
five Vegas trips maybe more. We've done Old Vegas night
every time I'm for a night because you get to
see like people walking around in weird outfits and stuff
exactly where I'm going. But you do prefer it. Oh yeah,
I love it. You just said it. The people watching

(43:48):
there is there's a Tony Romas. It might be the
last Tony Romas in the world. What they're for my
birthday ten a picture of me under the sun. No,
I'm gonna show you. I love o Vegas. All the
places to eat in Vegas. You went to Tony Rome. Yeah,
because it's like the last Maybe Gallenberg and Vegas are
the last two Tony. That's why you have the picture.
I don't believe I'm showing you because I believe that

(44:09):
ROAs Billy. Can you have them put this on the
podcast in the picture like nobody.

Speaker 5 (44:15):
Goes to I went to ol Vegas for my twenty
first birthday with my dad and he got two of you,
uh and his brother and then my friend surprised me
there and he got a chess tattoo that night.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Okay, that's very impressive, but I need to go back
to your dad. He got it. Your dad got a
chess tattoo. Yeah, the night of my twenty first birthday.
Is your dad a serial killer? No?

Speaker 5 (44:35):
No, it was like a family crest kind of situation,
but it was so was he like Scottish?

Speaker 1 (44:41):
No?

Speaker 5 (44:42):
No, but he did use the night of my twenty
first birthday to get.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
What is the crest? Like? What is your heritage? I'd
have to show you. I can't really, you can't tell
me the country describe it? No, I mean, what what
what's the nationality?

Speaker 5 (44:54):
It's not a nationality, it's more of like a Masonic
thing that he's made it into his own, like like.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
The Masons or whatever. Okay, so he didn't get like
a Billy's twenty first in the date tatto. It wasn't
tattoo he wanted. I was hoping you're gonna tell me.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
You all woke up like the hangover and your dad
just had a Mike Tyson tattoo or something.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
So did you consider getting it too or did he
wanted you to get it too? And then you just
didn't know it was It was definitely like he had
planned it for a while for your twenty first birthday.
He planned for him to get a tattoo. Yeah, he
just struck while the iron was hot, being like a
crazy night kind of thing. Oh, sounds like a crazy night.
The wife or my mom didn't really appreciate it. Oh,

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so he didn't tell her what was happening.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
So this is what Pete Carroll's up against. Pete Carroll's
out doing stuff like this all the time. Wow. So
that's a that's a pretty amazing story. So your dad
gets the tattoo. Were you there while you got the atto?

Speaker 3 (45:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:49):
I got it. Were you supportive of it? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:50):
I was?

Speaker 1 (45:51):
And then the FaceTime we did back to my mom
was yeah, it was just as fun. Well, I can
compliment Billy's dad. I heard about this story.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
He took Billy to Vegas and Billy didn't know all
his friends were going to be there, so his dad flew, all, no,
that's cool, that's a.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
Very cool thing. The last time I went told Vegas,
I have a friend named Sean. I won't say his
last name. And he was there too, and he was
like in a different part. He was at a different
sceno and we walked up to this black jack table
and we saw a guy that looked like what we
thought Sean would be in like twenty five years. We

(46:24):
called him Sean from the future. He looked like him,
except you know, he's a little more wrinkled and gray haired,
but he had the same like shape and cigarettes. And
we were like, let's play black jack with Sean from
the future, right, So we text, hey, Sean, it's you
from the future. And Sean comes and now he sits
a table, so you have Sean and he's looking at

(46:47):
his guy from the future, and Sean's very upset that
we're calling him Sean from the future because the guy
has some characteristics that weren't appealing. Okay, he went a
complete compliment. Yeah no, it was not like he was like, oh,
this is George Clooney, this is you in the future.

Speaker 4 (47:03):
Right.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
We sit there, we play the guys like haggard and
miserable and smoking, and at one point he gets up
to go to the bathroom and Sean just goes, yeah,
that's me from the future. Just surrendered knowledges that that
was him from the future. And so that's my got me.
So we all have good stories. Tony Romans dad chest tattoo,

(47:26):
Sean from the Future sounds like we need to go
to Vegas for a game. I would like that. I
think that would be fun. We could telgate in old Vegas. Yeah,
I actually think that'd be a lot of fun. Where's
the field is it? It's kind of off by it self,
but I like too far? Okay, I mean you see
it in the big room, but out there all right,
let's uh all right. So this weekend, of course, Thursday
is uh is Thanksgiving, and there are three games and

(47:49):
it is the fourth annual John Madden Thanksgiving Celebration. So
let me I'm gonna read you some of the stuff
they're doing here, Drew, What do you think to celebrate
Madden's time with the game, Uh, it's gonna be all that.
They're gonna have a Madden hallmark to kick off each
broadcast that will say, show the best of Madden on
Thanksgiving and and what he did. And there'll also be

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an MVP of each game where ten thousand dollars will
be given to the high school football program where the
player played. That's kind of nice, isn't it very cool?
Very cool? And they're going to have a coin. I
like this. The official coin will be John Madden on
one side and a turd ducan on the reverse side.

(48:31):
Do you remember the turn duck? Of course?

Speaker 2 (48:33):
I remember the turn duckan. How could you forget the
turn duck? I mean I think about the turn duck
in every year.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
John.

Speaker 2 (48:38):
We need an ai John Madden or something because Thanksgiving
it needs all the Madden it can possibly get.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
But it was incestuous, it was, I mean it was
a turn Duckan is like something that says there might
be too much radioactivity in the water, isn't it six legs?
I think yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:56):
And it's literally you put a duck inside a turkey
and then put a chicken inside that, So you're really
loading up on your protein there. But I used to
love when he think that would be good. I've always
wanted to just from growing up watching Madden. I miss
you remember this. He would get on the Telestrader and
be like, here's a leg, here's a leg. He would
be like circling parts of the turkey. I mean, I

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still love the NFL and Thanksgiving, but it was all
about Madden growing up, and I'm glad they're still recognizing
him with all this stuff they're doing.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
One of the things I think is funny is that
the thought that either Tom Brady or Tony Romo every
year have to spend Thanksgiving in Detroit. Like they have
a very glamorous job and they get a lot of money.
But once every year, two years, they're spending Thanksgiving in
Detroit and there ain't one thing they can do about.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
How quickly do you think Tom is on a plane
out of Detroit the moment he can well, he leaves
in the third quarters on the game from the sky.
Lot of people don't realize that's ai Tom.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
He doesn't stick around for a turkey leg. So there,
I don't think so. But the John Minnie Madden Thanksgiving
celebration began in twenty twenty two and it is throughout
the games this weekend.

Speaker 2 (50:01):
And that's that's very cool, great, great way to honor him.
Like I said, I mean my memories of Thanksgiving Day
growing up. It's his voice and that turned uck in
and all the things that came with it.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Yeah, all right, So now it is time for the
Victory Bundle, presented by a Liberty Mutual. We picked three games.
I think last week we won this. I don't remember.
Just say it, nobody will look it up. Old On,
I've got my I didn't ask you. I didn't good Bill,
and I ask you to contribute to this. I will

(50:33):
let you pick a team, but do not do not
question whether or not we we won. I'm sitting here
looking at the games. I don't love my chances, but
I will take Billy's Tampa Bay Bucks to cover the
three and a half and beat Arizona at one o'clock
on Sunday. So my team will be Tampa Bay. What
about you, Drew?

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Since we both liked the Bengals cover in seven, so
we said other should we just throw that in.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
As part of this you want to make it part
of the Madden Day. Beyond that, I really want to
believe in the Bills. Where are we on the Bills?
Three and a half? Had pittsman? It is on the road.
It can't be vet. Yeah, I don't know. I think
i'd stay away from that. Okay, let's stay away from that.
I'm going Can Kirk Cousins beat the Jets?

Speaker 3 (51:18):
No?

Speaker 1 (51:18):
I do not ever bet on the falcon you Okay, Well,
we can't do Dolphin Saints? Throw that out? I mean,
why don't we do this? There's three games, so why
don't we just pick the Thursday? The Thanks? All right,
so you're gonna take the Bengals, Let's try to collectively
cot I like the Lions get light because that's a
big upfield advantage. Are you good with that? Bailly? All right,

(51:41):
so let's do Lions. We'll do Bengals and then Chiefs Cowboys.
This is tough. I just don't see the Chiefs losing.
I wish it were two and a half instead of three,
but it's three. I'm still gonna take the Chiefs and
then I might end up with a push, but I'll
take it.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
I like that pick, even though I'll be wearing my
Cowboys sweatshirt to dinner. The Chiefs have a lot more
to play for. The Cowboys offense has been fun, but
they still have plenty of holes.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
So we're taking Chiefs, Lions and Bengals and that will
be our victory Bundle. Presented by Liberty Mutual. Start your
quote at libertymutual dot com.

Speaker 5 (52:18):
When you start eating Thanksgiving dinner, is it during the
Chiefs Cowboys Thursday?

Speaker 1 (52:23):
I have to cook the turkey this year, so everyone's
on my time and I don't really know when I'm
going to do that. It's gotten earlier every year.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
For me.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
We used to eat around four thirty and now as
my parents get older, my parents are now to the
point that they're eating dinner at two fifty. So since
this is lunch, you know, they're like, okay, nine to
thirty in the morning time for lunch. So to this
year it's at one. It start at three, and then

(52:49):
I was told everybody may get too hungry, so we
were going to do two, and now we've moved it
up to one. That's pre halftime of the first game
that you're going to be serving turkey. I know, but
that's when they want to do it. That's right.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
By the time, she's going to be asking you why
people are in Detroit on Thanksgiving right as that game
picked up.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, so this is like this is there are a
lot of people with this usually because this is like Larry,
my stepdad's family, and so it's a lot of extended people,
and there are always children there and now they're grown,
and I always forget. I don't know if I should
say this, because some of these people may be listening.
I always forget which kid is who, forget the names.

(53:27):
That's tough. Well, I mean this is now these are
I guess my Okay, what's the math here? So my
dad and his dad, my dad and his brother, right,
his kids and me are cousins. Okay, but their kids
are first cousin once removed. Is that right? That's the case,

(53:49):
isn't that right? I think? So these are my first
cousins once removed, and they all have like three kids,
and I'm kind I kind of think they're all the
same people, just off the same, just running around while
you're trying to watch football. Yeah, and I remember name,
like I know there's one name, Charlie to shout that out,
so I do know and he's the he's a guy. Okay.

(54:12):
We're getting somewhere, so I'm able to separate the genders, Okay,
but generally I just go, man, it's good, good to see. Yeah,
go Lie. You live in Seattle? Oh no, Buffalo? Okay, yeah,
same thing. It's up there one of the ways. So
that's the conversation I'll have on Oh you got something
to talk about if it's Buffalo, now, yeah, I don't

(54:34):
know if they live in completely Okay, I have absolutely
no idea. All right, so you're in the Survivor League.
Let's start with that. I am. There has been a
challenge flag thrown on the Survivor lea. Yet what is
the inquiry?

Speaker 5 (54:48):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (54:49):
The inquiry is there are people who suggest you've picked
the Seahawks twice. Is that plausible to my organized notes,
I have only picked the Seahawks once. I'm told that
you've picked Seattle two of the last three weeks. Mm hmm. Well,
I am on the Jackson the thing Jibba train. But
I don't know. You've been fading the Titans for the

(55:09):
last three weeks.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
It seems like they followed him along around And I
was gonna mention that I can't pick that game this week.
I've already picked the Jags, so there is a sense
of organization.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
First of all, don't change the subject here, sir. Are
you suggesting you have not cheated by picking the Seahawks.
I am a man of honor. I would not knowingly cheat.
I'm going to say the call is not confirmed, it's inconclusive.
We do have to go with the call in the field.

Speaker 2 (55:34):
We do put a lot of trust in him there
with his notes. We just assumed that everything he's writing
down we can trust. I don't know if we can
to Johnson Dart even running a touchdown or.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Did you make that up? So he sure did. It
was the first touchout of the day that day. I
made sure everybody knows. So what is your pick this week?

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Well, like I said, I can't pick the Jags because
I just can't follow the Titans around him anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
Try to pick the Seahawks again, So.

Speaker 5 (55:55):
I guess I'll stay away from them too, even though
they have their hands full with the Vikings backup quarterback.
I'm gonna go with the Miami Dolphins. They are at
home against the New Orleans Saints. Really, Tua comes off
of a bye you got a little momentum going. I
don't can't see another time.

Speaker 1 (56:10):
Is there a reason you haven't You're not picking the Chargers.
I've already picked them. Okay that I do know the
team that Dolphins. That is a what about the Rams?
Have you picked them? I've picked the Rams. I believe Dolphins.
That's a risky. I couldn't imagine whole Dolphin Rams. I
have not picked the Rams. So you would rather have
Dolphins against the Saints over Rams against the Panthers. Yes,

(56:33):
the Saints have been very competitive in these games. Yeah,
against the NFC South. All right, I think this, can
I go on record, I think this is a mistake.
Scampbell with the Dolphins. Well, my integrity is getting questioned
this week too, so this is going to be a
big week for me. All right, So Billy picks the Dolphins. Now,
let's do the let's let's do the touchdown picks. I

(56:56):
have no idea whose turn it is. Last week, you
and I hit I know, but I have five. I
went first last week. I'm dressed too, So if you
went first, I mean Billies first this time.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
So go ahead, Okay, I am going to take traveon
Henderson the running back for the New England Patriots. The
team that they are playing have these thirty second ranked
rushing defense this week. That's the New York Giants, who
just fired their defensive coordinator. Give me a little Monday
night football action. Traveon Henderson gets into the end zine.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
All Right, I like that one. I'm gonna take Pooka Nkua.
He's my wide receiver playing against the Panthers on the road.
He's had a great year. So I'm gonna take Poka
Nakua to continue my lead. And that means you have
to pick a quarterback. Hmm.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Now, I feel like I've been stuck with quarterbacks a lot.
You have, but that's because I but I don't know
if I've picked so I've done Josh Allen, I think, Lamar,
do you have these written down?

Speaker 1 (57:51):
I don't know. I've disproportionately had more quarterbacks than you think. Well,
I'll tell you what. Let's just go crazy. Who's my
guy from the Vikings? Oh no, no, no, no, no, stop.
You don't want that one. You don't want to pick
Max Scherzer, Brosmer, Brosmer. I'm going Max Brosmer. You're not
picking Max Broser. Okay, out of the odds. See what

(58:12):
the odds are for Max? I've already picked all the
known names because I keep getting stuck with third in this,
so I've I've already done Alan Jackson, all the guys
that run we learn on Monday. Bryce Young doesn't know
how to run into the end zone. So I mean
there's you could do. You could do cam war zone runs.
You could do Daniel Jones and Justin Herbert has fifty
rushing yards. You're talking to me in anything better? Wait

(58:33):
a minute. You could do Jamis. Oh, Jamis. That's that's
that's a new twist that I haven't done yet. You
could do Jamis. I think I'll go James.

Speaker 5 (58:42):
That's good.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
You could do dag No he's throwing the pickings and
CD he doesn't run, So you want to do Jamis?
Are you doing? Max Brosmer? I always stick with your gut.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Like back when I would not study for test, whatever
letter I looked at first would be the one I
would answer right.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
So look up what is Max Brosmer's ods? Because here's
because if the odds are high enough, I'm gonna do
something special for Okay, what are the odds I'm not.
It's gotta be five plus five hundred, right, you don't
even think it's on there. I don't see it. There's
no way that I don't believe. What if he doesn't
play and I guess I'll lose, I'll give you if

(59:17):
he doesn't play out the game. Okay, Okay, So Jamis
or Brosmer here, do you want that if he doesn't
If he doesn't play, I'll give you Jamie. I haven't
waivered on Brosmer. You are wavering for me? All right. Well,
it doesn't look like they've put up the player props yet.
But I'll tell you this. If it is over plus
one thousand, then if you get it, I'll give you

(59:39):
two points. Okay? Is that fair? I'm getting it and
I'm betting it whatever it is. So if it's over
plus one thousand when it comes out, I'll give you
two points. If it's not, you only get one point. Okay.
I don't think it'll be that high, but we'll see.
We'll find out. So if you're want to do a parlay,
that will play pay big Trevion Anderson, Puka Nakua and
Max Brosmer. He had fifteen rushing touchdowns in college. Okay,

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then it won't be bring it all right, so you're
only going to get one point. You are trying to
talk me out of my pick. I hope I'm the
only one that gets it. If you are, you should
talk trash all right. Well, everybody, enjoy your Thanksgiving, Billy,
enjoy your hat. And on Black Friday, Uh, don't don't
be too crazy with your shopping. NFL. Did you really promoed?

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