NFL Cover Zero: The week of 4th quarter comebacks!

Matt Jones and Drew Franklin discuss NFL Week 12 as the week of comebacks!  The Colts had their chances, but this was the turning point of the season for the Chiefs.  The Bears keep winning in the wildest of ways.  TJ Watt passes JJ Watt's sack record and Matt wonders who are the best brother combo in the NFL and sports.  The Ravens notch a 5th straight win. 

The Patriots hold off the Bengals. The Raiders have fired Chip Kelly as their OC. Matt explains why the Seahawks could be better than we think while Jaxon Smith-Njigba is making history.  The Packers win, but how much concern is there from the Vikings with JJ McCarthy? Matt was still impressed with Jameis Winston in a Giants loss.   

It was an amazing win for the Cowboys while the Eagles offense struggles late. Shedeur Sanders wins his first start facing the Raiders. The Jaguars win in OT and are on track for the playoffs.  Are the Rams the best team in the NFL? Plus, we wrap up with Monday Night Football's matchup between the 49ers and Panthers! 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
NFL Cover Zero with Matt Jones and Drew Franklin is
a production of the NFL and iHeart podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
All Right, it is now time for episode twelve of
NFL Cover Zero.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Drew, I actually thought today was a very compelling day
of NFL action.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I watched all the Red Zone, even watched some actual
games like flipped it off red Zone and watched the
games sometimes.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
I actually thought it was a really really good day
to be a fan. Yeah, thanks a lot, Billy, I
ruined a great NFL day with your bucks. But today
I had a lot of games where I completely thought
I knew the result in the third quarter and they
flipped the script.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
So some exciting comebacks we'll get to really fun.

Speaker 4 (00:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I think the last two or three weeks had kind
of been not the most exciting finishes, etc. But you
had that today. So the game of the day, and
maybe the game of the season in terms of importance,
is the Chiefs coming back and winning at home against
the Colts. There's a part of me that wonders Chiefs

(01:14):
win twenty three twenty in overtime. There's a part of
me that wonders if the rest of the AFC was
watching the end of that game, and they're really really
mad at the Colts because I think the Colts.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Had a chance to put the nail in the coffin.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
And essentially, I think if the Chiefs lose today, their
shot of making the playoffs is low, and now they win,
their schedule gets favorable after next week. And I actually,
you know, we may look back and say that into
fourth quarter had a huge was a turning point of

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the season.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, when I just said, you know, I wrote some
teams off today thinking it was over. I had the
Chiefs in mind, not that third quarter. I'm thinking the
dynasty is dead. They're going to miss the playoffs this year.
And I'm watching that game unfold. Even Mahomes in the
fourth quarter with the ball, I just thought to have
changed and that they're on the wrong end of that dynasty.
And now the Chiefs they're still chief and having that
fourth quarter of magic.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
Well, he didn't look like Mahomes until the fourth quarter,
Like he just he was off.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
There was that one play they were you know, so
they're down eleven, they're driving to try to get it
down to you know, at least cut it to a
one score game. He has Kelsey wide open and he
overthrows him by like ten yards.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
And I saw that play and I thought, because I.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Don't question Patrick Malmes, I'm picking Patrick Mahomes over anybody.
And I saw that throw and that was like the
first time that I've kind of gone, wait a minute,
maybe this isn't Patrick Mahmes, because Kelsey's actually looked really
good this year, and I'm like, you miss you missed him,
and you missed him by a lot. They punt, holding

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Annapolis get it back and then they do what they
do there at the end. But still there were a
lot of chances for them to blow it. You know,
they they're first in goal from the two in regulation,
they don't get in for a They manage the clock perfectly,
but they don't get in for a touchdown, and then
they win it in overtime. But I do I think

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the AFC is gonna rue the day they didn't put
the stake in them today.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
That's right, And you know it's it's still Mahomes. You know,
they have a great game. I don't think I had
a TD had an interception. But you're thinking they're getting
old and it might be the back end, but they
still have some youth like Rashie Rice had such a
big game.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
I thought it was unfair that he saved a Worthy catch. Yeah,
that's Worthy. That's the play of the year for the Chiefs.
It's third and seven.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
You know, Mahomes gets pressured, he makes a good throw
but not a great throw, and Worthy has to adjust
and that catch. I think it'll be that that could
end up being the play of the year.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
Yeah, it's two of the young guys that stepped up
helped him out. I thought it was unfair when the
Chiefs were able to get both of those players to
kind of give Mahomes new, younger weapons as Kelsey gets older,
but also their defense stepped up. There was like several
maybe three or four straight three and outs for the Colts.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
There is the chief Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Well, let me give you some stats here because I
think this is you know, it's easy to look at
this game and go, well, the Colts blew it, but
I actually think it's the opposite. I mean, I think
the Chiefs dominated the game statistically. If they ran ninety
one plays compared to fifty for Indianapolis. In the second half,
I think it was something like forty five to twelve

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in terms of a play differential, but they just couldn't
convert in the red zone.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
So this would have been a game.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
If the Chiefs had lost that they really would have
said we were the better team and we lost. They
could you know, they had a Mahomes had a terrible
interception that they ran back. But the big stat for
me is what you said about the defense. Last four
possessions for the Colts, three and out, all four possessions,
only twelve plays.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
That's as good as Mahomes was. That's the difference in
the game.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Yeah, those three and outs and then just in total,
Jonathan Taylor was a non factory. That's a guy we've
been talking about, could maybe be a run back to
Finally gets had.

Speaker 2 (05:07):
Run really one good run the whole game.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Had fifty something yards and as the game went on,
I mean, he was they didn't really go to him.
They kind of left in Daniel Jones hands. I mean,
you've got a guy who's absolutely dominated this year. Last weekend,
like two hundred and fifty yards on the ground. The
Chiefs held him to fifty whatever today, So great all
around performance by the Chiefs, even though it was a
little slow start.

Speaker 2 (05:27):
They turned it on both sides.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
This was also only their second one PM game all year.
I mean they have had the most bizarre schedule in
terms of the NFL. I mean they're showcasing them. Put
them on Netflix, put them on YouTube. You know, half
Billy do a half naked dance before the game. I
mean like they've done whatever they could do to make

(05:49):
them the showcase event. They're playing on Thanksgiving at Dallas
on Thursday, which is a CD now becomes a huge game,
and they're going to be going to Dallas on four
days rest after a hard game.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
But I'm interested.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
If if they keep this going, like you were, to
get one more with this era of the Chiefs. People
are just gonna be so mad at Styching for some
of those play calls in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
Yeah, a big opportunity to put the nail in the
coffin today. I think, you know, they don't win today.
I don't think they make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
No, I don't either.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I was even thinking in that third quarter because I'd
written him off. I was thinking back, like, man, I
wonder if Travis Kelsey, if they could have just won
the Super Bowl last year, he steps away on top
now they're gonna limp out and not make the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
And what could be his last year.

Speaker 3 (06:36):
But then they flipped the script and who knows them
they could go and do it again.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I loved it.

Speaker 1 (06:41):
It was It also felt like a big game, you know,
Tony Romo was doing Romo things, making sounds, trying to
predict plays. He also he was the master of hyperbole.
He said the worthy catch was one of the best
he'd ever seen. He also called a pass offensive pass
interference on Kelsey. I think he said it's the worst

(07:02):
call in a decade, which is a strong, strong thing.
It wasn't bad call they called off. It's a pass
interference that he didn't even touch the guy. He used
the phrase we get in a little tushy, which I
thought was I didn't know was the thing you could say,
but they were, you know, Romo. It felt like a
big game, and the fact that it was at one
o'clock was weird.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
But I'm I really enjoyed it. For me, in terms
of games I haven't attended, it was probably the most
enjoyable game of the year.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
That's a lot of fun. And you're right about the
one o'clock thing. That should have been in the four
thirty window down with all the chaos of Witching Hour
because we had so many great ones in the one
o'clock slot, but still a great game. And I again,
I think I wrote the Chiefs off earlier in the year,
a few weeks after.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
That third quarter. Today I'm just done writing them off.
The Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
To make a prediction, you're going to see a headline
like tomorrow or Tuesday that is going to say that
the ratings for today those two.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Early games are some of the best ever.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
The combination of you get that Chiefs Colts game in
the earlier and then the fact that the Eagles and
the Cowboys, which we'll get to, was so compelling at
the end, and I think that this is going to
end up being like a record ratings day for the
for the NFL. My Bears were probably in the I
don't know, the second most compelling game of the day
against the Steelers. They end up winning thirty one to

(08:21):
twenty eight. They have won. It's the exact opposite of
last year. Last year they lost every way they could
possibly lose, and now this year they're winning these games.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
I don't know. Masterful performance.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
Mason Rudolph had a chance at the end, had two
chances because the Bears weren't able to get a first down,
and even though he played pretty well, I wasn't able
to do it. And my Bears are eight and three,
which is crazy to me. Eight out of nine, right, yeah,
I mean one eight out of nine and winning games
that give me a heart attack. But they're winning. They

(08:57):
usually don't.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
And you know, I don't know how Bears fins feel eternally,
but Caleb Williams has been really great in this last
streitch month whatever. It's been three touchdowns today, so they're
calling him cardiac Caleb.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
I mean, he's very few stupid plays he I mean
last year was characterized by he would do something great,
but then he would do something stupid.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
He's cut those down. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
The Ben Johnson has been great for him and all
the pieces around him. And I gotta admit I've never
been a Bears guy, not that I've been a hater.
You know, they're just there. They're the Bears, They're your team.
I've had a lot of fun watching them this year too,
if I can, I've already bandwaggoned too many teams after
our trip to Buffalo, But if you all get in the.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Playoffs, I'll be pulling for the Bears. I'm gonna go
they can.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
I've decided if they make the playoffs, especially if they're
at home, but even if they don't, I think I'm
gonna go just because I'm not gonna go crazy and
say like this is the start of an era. But
it does feel like when you watch Caleb Williams, when
you watch quarterbacks sort of build to be really good.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
This is kind of where they are in year two.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
Jayden Daniels like fast forward last year, but then has
taken a step back. But you know, last year we're
better than they weorthy year before, but you saw a
lot of rookie paynes and then this year they started
to I mean, the fact that leading the division is nuts.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I love that we beat Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (10:17):
I'm counting it as a victory over Aaron Rodgers. Even
though he didn't play. I'm gonna argue he was chicken
for not playing because he knew the Bears were gonna
break that thirteen game winning streak.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
I was about to ask you, did you enjoy there's
a few satelline shots.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know, Mason Rudolf wasn't that bad. He was fine,
He's fine.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
He's exactly like a guy named Mason Rudolph would play.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
But I know you had to feel something.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Knowen Rodgers had your number for a decade and would
brag about it, saying he owned Chicago. And then he
had to sit there and watch his Steelers take a loss.
It's a big hit to them. Big win for the
Bears and their standing is a big hit to the Steelers.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Yeah, I mean he in my opinion, he's owen one
as a quarterback against the Bears. You know, yeah it's
a different team, and yeah he didn't play, but those
are details right now, he walks away with the l
Kay Williams said that he hired Aaron Rodgers a lot
and wanted to play against him and wanted to meet him,
and I guess didn't even get to meet him. But

(11:12):
you know what, all the more reason Aaron Rodgers stinks
Caleb's the future. I just want Aaron Rodgers to go
get his podcast on the Blaze Network and go away.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Is there anything on Rogers coming back? Or is that
old man Risks?

Speaker 1 (11:26):
Is it just too much? I would think he plays
next week, I mean next week. Now this sets up
they'll play the Ravens. They're tied for first, that'll be
for the North lead. I'm guessing he set out this
week so that he could play next week.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
That would make a lot of sense.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Well, I thought about you every time they showed him
or talked about him, because you had to deal with
that guy for many years taking ls to the Packers.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
And I want a big one today. I mean there's
nobody I want.

Speaker 1 (11:50):
I mean, as much as I enjoyed winning, watching him
lose I think make me even even happier.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
So the big the one story not about the game. TJ.
Watt broke. I love how the characterized this.

Speaker 1 (12:06):
They said he broke the Watt record for sacks, which
I feel like is an odd way to characterize that
you passed your brother in sacks. I mean, it's not
like there's a tradition. I don't think there's somewhere I
go with the Wat sack record. I don't know how
many his dad had or his cousins, but it is
cool he brought he beat his brother's record with JJ

(12:28):
on the call.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
I thought that was kind of nice.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Yeah, it's a little silly to frame it that way,
but it also just shows how good the Wade brothers
are that they can even paint the stat that way.
I mean, they have been incredible, both of them, not
really highly recruited out of high school, kind of slid
into the NFL and have been two of the best
of it.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
So let's that made me?

Speaker 1 (12:46):
That had me thinking, okay, so what are the best
brothers in sports?

Speaker 2 (12:51):
All right? So start with the NFL.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Since this is an ultimate NFL podcast, I think you
have to say the man's obviously of course with Peyton
and Eli.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Now you have the Watts. What other ones?

Speaker 1 (13:06):
Billy, you should google this because I'm sure we're not
gonna remember everybody.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
There's gonna be there's gonna be much better than this group.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
But Devil, Jason Easy and Aussie Dean or something, there's
probably gonna be on the list.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
That's Devon, Devon and Jason mccordy, the core, the okay,
great announcer. Why am I completely blanking on the running
back from the Giants? But yeah, yeah, Tiki and Ronde
those two come to mind.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
Sterling and Shannon Sharp was another one.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
I don't think you're allowed to act like Shannon Sharp
still is around, but but yes, they that is actually
those are two Hall of famers.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
I mean, you got there's lost three guys that have
a podcast. They're they're all right, that's right to Kelsey's
are pretty good.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
That's a good point. Well, that's a good question. I mean,
think about you. We've just mentioned a bunch where both
brothers are gonna be in the Hall of Fame. I mean,
the Sharps are both in the Hall of Fame. The
Mannings are are both in the Hall of Fame.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
We're going to be.

Speaker 1 (14:06):
The Watts are there? I don't know, are the mccordy's
one of them will be? What about the other one?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Unlikely?

Speaker 1 (14:15):
No? Yeah, and then the Barbers. I would think which
ones are either of them in? Are they both in?
Ron know who's in the NFL Hall of Fame.

Speaker 6 (14:24):
To be honest with you, I think Ronde got the honor.
But I'm going to the Bosa brothers. Do you want
to throw another one in?

Speaker 2 (14:32):
I've got to do that too. No, I mean they
definitely should be in there, Yes, the Bosa brothers. Who else?
How many Gramaticas were there? I'm going back.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
I know there's a Bill Martin, was there other Grammatica's
I think there was a Bill, wasn't there?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Yeah? Bill and Martin for sure, there might have been
another one. I like Bill is the name? My name
is Bill Grammatica.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
I like that we're naming these so easily. You know,
there's a lot of peace to be so hard to
make the NFL. It seems like it might be in
the bloodline a little bit. If one guy gets in.
There's We've named a lot of brothers, okay.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
And then I was thinking, all right, so baseball you
have I feel like in baseball one brother is a
lot better than the other one. The other one kind
of like gets dragged along, like Joe and Dom DiMaggio,
Tom is along for the ride, Cal and Billy Ripken.
Billy's just known for having a cussword on his bat.

(15:26):
Right here, Yeah, Jose and Ozzie Conseko again along for
the ride out. There are two long relievers named Rogers,
Taylor and something.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
But do you can you think of others? The Jiombie brothers.
One was a little better than the other.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
That's right, the g there you go, Jason and what
was the other one's name?

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Exactly?

Speaker 3 (15:50):
I remember Jason that there was another one Jeremy j
Jerry was the other one's name. The best example for
this in pro sports. I'm gonna switch sports on you.
But Jannis's brother just I love the nepotism of Giannis's brother.
He got two brothers in the league. That's pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (16:07):
When you go listen, there are more onto Maakoumpo's coming
and you're gonna have to sign all of them, every
one of them.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
That's when you know you're good. I'm just bringing my
whole family to the league. Trying to think.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
All right, so baseball back to you got the Deans?
Did did Greg Maddox's brother Pitch? I think his name
was like, I don't know, that might be right. Maybe
I just think everyone named Maddox is related to Greg. Basketball, you,
I'm not counting the Ontama Koupos. You had the two
Collins twins, right.

Speaker 5 (16:41):
The Curry brothers.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
I feel like basketball there's not as many.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
The Curry's Steph Curry, Seth Curry.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Ah, yeah, that's another one. Seth Seth was good, but
he got a little bit of a step again.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Though in all these it feels like in football, what
your brother is, you kind of are too. You you
have like equal strength. But in these other sports, one
brother is clearly carrying the other and the others kind of.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Like, well, helloler brother. It feels like that doesn't happen
in the NFL. How about how about the Ball family.
One of them became a rapper, but two of them
made it, and I don't think any of them are
good enough that they count.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
Jim and John Harball in the league.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Well, it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
Jim and John Harball, you know, and Robin Lopez, John
and Patrick McEnroe.

Speaker 2 (17:33):
Here you go again, though the Lopezes are kind of equal.
That's that's well, No, Brooke was better than Robin.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
I just am impressed in the NFL that the until
I get proof otherwise, brothers are equally good. So I
would say, if you watch, if you have an NFL
player and he's good and his brother comes in the draft,
if you like the one you have, Drew, go ahead
and pick the other one because they're going to be equal.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
I mean, we can do a whole list of NBA
players where one is much better than the other. But
you think about the Kelsey's Hall of Fame, the Barbers
are about the same, mccordions are about the same.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
I would actually consider this.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
If I'm scouting a player, I want to look around
the family tree and maybe you had the brother too.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah, so when Bill Mahomes enters the draft, I'm taking
him at some point there he did.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Wait, so that Mahomes has a brother.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
Did you know when did nobody want to draft Pa
mahomes brother, the TikTok oh oh, the TikToker.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, now that in terms of talent, he is a
notch below his brother.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
The Ravens beat we just said are going to play
the Steelers. The Ravens beat the Jets twenty three to ten.
They started very poorly, only seventy two first half yards,
but then came on the second half.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
They played against.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Tyron Taylor, who I'm always overjoyed to be reminded as
in the league. Aigan's now five straight. They were odds
on favorites to win the NFC North when they were
one and five, and now it looks like that ended
up being the right decision.

Speaker 3 (19:17):
Yeah, they just needed to hang on when they were
so beating and bruised a few weeks ago. As long
as they can stay healthy. I mean, they still have
holes in their defense. And problems here and there, but
they can be a contender if they can just get
through the regular season healthy.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, Billy, I have nothing on this game because I
tried to stay away from it. You were always good
at having information. Do you have anything I should care
about about the Ravens and the Jets?

Speaker 6 (19:41):
Well, Derek Henry scored a touchdown which helped our touchdown parlay,
at least for Drew.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Now let's talk about you being the week league on
the touchdown parlay. Dereck Henry hits early, so that's good.
Jackson Smith and Jigma hits early, so that's good. But
you had Josh Allen. We were out before we even started. Yeah,
that was a tough mess.

Speaker 6 (20:01):
I was hoping he'd break the all time record, but
I'm glad Drew finally got a second one to catch
back up.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Now, so you two, I have five, you have four. Ye.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
I don't want to pile on Billy, but Derek Henry
had two and in Jigba head two.

Speaker 2 (20:14):
We didn't just get in the end zone. We got
in the end zone multiple timely.

Speaker 5 (20:17):
You don't get double points for that, so you can
just enjoy that.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
By the way, we.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
Should note that loss by the Bills the Texans.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
One person on this show called it that was me
calling the six point underdog money line.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I was sweating it a little bit at the end.
But that's a big win for the Texans.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
They had a big loss for the Bills, who, by
the way, at this point, are you know, could easily
lose the wildcard as well. They're fighting with the Ravens,
the Chiefs, and three other teams for those wildcard spots.

Speaker 2 (20:48):
I gotta admit I think it's me. All of my
football teams are so bad.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
I commit to the Bills and buy a hat and
they lose to the Texans four days later.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
I think that one's on me.

Speaker 3 (20:57):
I'm sorry, Bill's Mafia every I mean, Kentucky Titans, Bill,
you name it. I can't have fun with football. So
I felt partially responsible for that there night. But that
was a good call by you. And shout out to
her boy Ray Davis. The reverse KSR curse on that
show's going to touch true.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
So can we decide, since we talked about Kentucky, can
we just have just a second about Diego Pavi's mom
during the game the other day? Like, I mean, if
you haven't seen it like if you're not if you're
an NFL fan and you haven't seen the College Diego
Pobby's mom.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
I mean, first of all, they showed her a lot.
That's that's a different conversation.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
But in the second half, she seemed to be straddling
a poll during the game, and they put her on camera,
and I just I just was thinking about my mother
and the unlikelyness that that would happen with my mom

(21:58):
versus Diego Bobby's mom.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
What did what did you make of that? Well?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
What I have to correct you. It didn't seem she
was straddling a poll. She was straddling poll by definition.
I actually had a thought, thank god this game in
close because if it goes to overtime enough to switch
her to HBO.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
Because every time they.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
Showed her it was getting more and more provocative, Like
at first she's just waving.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
And then she's hiking a leg up and then she
was on that railing. It was audit like, and he
was on it. I noticed this.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
I think a call came in because after she was
on the rail, they didn't show her again. Even when
they honored him brought him off for his ovation and
he had broken the record.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
They didn't show her again after the poll.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
I think someone phoned in was like, hey, we're done
on Mama Pavia for the day.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, there was a security guard.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
If you go watch the video, there's a security guard
standing behind her who has a look on his face
that I need everybody to go see. It's like he
thinks he got the best assignment at the game. Like
he is, he is very very happy. But that is
a good point. They did not show her again. I
am shocked that video has not gotten more like that

(23:07):
is one of the I guess it was just because
the game was forty five ten and people weren't watching it.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
But diego Pobby's mom.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
If he were an NFL prospect, that would be an
interesting part of his draft highlight package. I just think
that's I just think that's worth noting. Salute to mom.
That outfit too, not something I could see my mom
wearing knee high boots with short shorts and a jersey.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
I don't think my mom would ever wear that in public.

Speaker 3 (23:36):
And you know, the whole deal of on thing he
walked with her out for his say.

Speaker 2 (23:43):
What is happening now?

Speaker 1 (23:44):
Like it started as a joke and now I think
he actually is part of the family.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Like you get framed Jersey in the photo.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
He's going to be in that family photo forever. Yeah,
I mean that would be like, can.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
You imagine if it was my senior day and I
just walked out with Dana Carvey.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
And your mom with her high boots, my mom.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Larry and Dana Carvey, and like I would have that
later in my life. People go, why is Dana Carvey
at your senior day?

Speaker 2 (24:15):
And I go, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
Bobby's brother wore a tuxedo. I mean they were just
I mean, did the family not coordinate their outfits? Tuxedo?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
I said me, I think.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
They were thigh You don't see those a lot, certainly not.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
I mean, she's my age. I'm gonna start wearing though,
for Billy's wedding, all right.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
Patriots Bengals twenty six twenty Joe. The Bengals, you could argue,
outplayed the Patriots. Flacco with two interceptions, one of which
was brutal or they were about to score fourteen point swing.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Flaco after the game seemed to be talking like his
Bengals time and maybe even his career was over. He
was talking about how grateful he was to have gotten
to do this. Would you bring Burrow back?

Speaker 2 (25:09):
Probably? I know they don't have a lot lot. I know,
I know the risk.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
If they were today, if they'd want today, I think
there would be an argument because they'd be four and
seven and you could say, well, if you went out,
But like, why why now?

Speaker 3 (25:25):
I guess, I mean you don't want to risk him.
I know that, But I guess to throw the fans
a bone. They're so upset with you, Like, all right, fine,
here he is, let's go have some fun.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
That's the only reason. I'm just to get him back
out there.

Speaker 3 (25:36):
But but but by the way, some breaking news.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
The Raiders have fired Chip Kelly is offensive coordinator.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
I didn't know he wasn't their offensive coordinator, so it'll
be I'm not really sad to see him go, but
good luck to him.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Added to our list of brothers both getting fired, the
Kelly boys getting fired. Oh, I don't think I ever
realized Chip and Brian were brothers. Aren't they brothers? Is
to make that up? I think you just made that up.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
I always thought they were brothers or related somehow. I mean,
I don't think Jim Kelly is their brother too.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (26:12):
I'm sorry, I'm thinking of r Kelly and Brian Kelly.
You're thinking of Kelly Kelly from the WWE. I've always
assumed Brian and Hipp were related in something related.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
They're not just look alike yourself, they even look alike.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
I've honestly lived my whole life assuming they're related in something.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Well, I like, I'm glad we got to correct that
for you. You really believe that not Jim either there are
Jim or r Or or Bryn. Uh.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Well, there are a lot of injuries in this game.
Bengals had three players hurting three plays.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Their season has been a complete disaster. I mean everything
that could have gone wrong has gone wrong. They lost
a lot. You know, by the end of the game,
Jamar Chase had been suspended, t Higgins gets a concussion.
They were just random guys playing wide receiver. They still
had a shot. I mean they still had a shot.
At the end of the wind Drake May was awful.
I'm sure it was weird. He was awful against like
the worst defense in the league.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
Now, it would have helped if Jamar Chase had been
spinning on people last week and could have helped out
in this game a little bit. Seeing your high paid
receiver over there serving suspension didn't help matters.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
They're their day for the Patriots, by the way, because
they also lose two offensive linemen, including Will Campbell, and
Campbell's at least looked like he won't be back this year.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Yeah, that looked bad, and he's been great this year
in his rookie season. This game also had those pick sixes,
not really back to back, but both very very early
each team. So it's kind of a wild game to start.
McPherson had a set of record for a sixty three
yard field goal, but didn't.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
Even the idea.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Tried continuing, my team up. We've got to do something
about these balls they get. Guys should not be able
to kick a sixty three yard or and he doesn't
even look like he's given effort.

Speaker 3 (27:54):
Oh not at all. But I mean that Bengals fans
have that to brag about. If they're gonna let it
he almost in a sixty seven yard earlier this season.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
If they're gonna let it be where they can get
so far, did it needs to be like that? One
year in the World Cup where balls like all just
would go crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
They'd like move left and right.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
I don't remember why it was, but it was made
out of like Polly, You're a thing or something, and
the balls like no one could figure out where they
were going, and they complained, but it actually made it
really entertaining because sometimes they would be able to bend it.
I think we've got to make it to where these
footballs have like super putty or something in them.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
Because they're not. The kicks are too easy. I'm just
ready to accept it. Let's just start kicking eighty yarders.
I don't see that's on the other side of the fifty.
I don't think that's what the game is supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
But you know, and at the same time, though, in
this era where you can kick them for so far,
when they get up close, they refuse to kick them
like no one kicks ever, no matter what.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
Including like it.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
We'll talk about in the Cowboys game when a kick
wins and they just don't. That's it's It's weird how
that's worked. Seahawks beat the Titans. You said you didn't
even watch it as a Titans fac.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
So ever since I've been able to get Sunday Ticket,
which it's been a while since they've had it on
YouTube TV. I have watched every Titans game, even when
they stink. I'll put Red Zone on another TV, but
I will make sure about Titans are in front of
me in some form. Today I didn't bother. I can't
remember the last time I've done that. Didn't even see
a minute of it. I mean I kept up with it,
and when Red Zone would go to it, I'd see it.

(29:24):
But as far as me watching my own team with
a service I paid my heart earned money for, I
didn't even bother to go to the channel.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, well you saw it. It's actually one of their
better games. They ran up, they had a chance. I
mean they had a shot at the end. They did
cover the story I think is your guy, Jackson Smith
and Jigba. He has now broken the Seahawks single season
record for receiving yards and we still have six games left.
I mean include Steve Largin, who I think I told

(29:52):
you one of my good friends in law school, just
as a kid decided he loves Steve large so he
wore Steve Largent gear to Duke law school all the time.
He would wear Steve largent Jersey the class like once
a week, and I go, who loves.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
Steve Large at this mode much? So I always think
of him.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
That record's already broken and he is on pace to
do two thousand yards, which has never happened.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah, he was insane.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
I knew he'd have a good game playing the Titans,
but I mean he does this every week. It's just
not my Titan, not just against my Titans. He had
like one to seventy five today at two touchdowns. I
haven't been hard on my Titans saying we don't have
any pieces. The rookie who ran the punback Chimberray DK,
He's been pretty awesome this year and cam Ward's kind
of gone to him as a reliable target all season.

(30:41):
So I've been hating on my team all year. But
DK's pubbar turn was pretty exciting today.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah. I mean Seahawks are what are they? Eight and three?
I think, and playing really well.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
And if you look at their eight I mentioned this
stat on my ESPN show today, if you look at
their three losses thereby combined eight points, So I mean,
and all three to teams that are going to make
the playoffs. So I think the Seahawks are better than
people realize when you when you have three losses, I
think they're to the Rams, the forty nine ers in

(31:15):
the Bucks.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
So it's, uh, that's a really good team.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
Yeah, very good to all by like a total of
eight points in those losses.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
I know I just said that. Listen to you.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
I think he tuned me out there, Billy. That's all right,
you know what I mean. It's a long podcast.

Speaker 5 (31:32):
I also survived.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
I'm still I'm still accepting that the Kelly brothers are
not brothers.

Speaker 2 (31:38):
I've lived my whole life thinking that they were related
in some form. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Well, I mean when you find things, when you find
out things that hurt your hurt yourself little it'll will
you listen to cover zero? You can less exactly right now?
We know now you know they're not related. The Packers

(32:05):
beat the Bike he three six.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
Uh the game.

Speaker 1 (32:09):
JJ McCarthy was awful. That's there are two things I
care about this game, only two. One is that Billy
told me that JJ McCarthy has an alter ego.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
I did not know this until today. What is his
alter ego?

Speaker 6 (32:24):
It's called nine, and he sees me it's a flip
or a switch that he flips before the game starts
to keep his intense competitive stamina up.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Is this widely known. Yes.

Speaker 6 (32:36):
He spoke to the media a couple of weeks ago
and told them about his alter ego nine.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
I'm in the media. He didn't tell me. He uh,
we are right here. This is If he didn't tell us,
it's not true. So he calls himself.

Speaker 5 (32:49):
Nine, yes, and McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Where does that come from that?

Speaker 5 (32:53):
I don't know. I'm not sure the origin of why
it's called nine?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Well, he is number nine? Is he just called himself
by his number? He's right. That's an interesting that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
So he just says, like when I when it's time
to play, I'm not JJ anymore.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (33:11):
He talks about the war paint that he puts on
his face to get himself.

Speaker 2 (33:14):
Hate it. Hate it. First of all, he's a dork.
I can tell. Don't you know.

Speaker 1 (33:18):
I don't know anything about him. I can see him.
He gets his haircut at Great Clips. He went to Michigan.
It's fine, but like, you're not. Don't put on war paint.
That would be like me putting on war paint. It's
not that's not your personality.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
He has three straight games with two interceptions, and Billy
called him trash at the beginning of this take your
victory lab Billy.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
You did you did call that a couple weeks ago.

Speaker 6 (33:42):
Well, McCarthy has nine interceptions through six games, So if
that's his alter ego, then he's he's on pace.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
He needs to switch it to six to so that
he can quit the script a little bit, all right.
Second thing is before the game the Minnesota Vikings tweeted
out from their account today is a continuation of the
fiercest rivalry in the NFL, same Vikings, and it kind
of offends me. I'm kind of mad at the Vikings

(34:11):
for saying it. First of all, notice the Packers didn't
say it. The Vikings said it. I don't think that's
anywhere close to true. I wouldn't even First of all,
it's not the Packers' biggest rivals. I think even they
would say it's the Bears, and I would argue they're
not even in the top ten. I mean, just off
the top of my head, I would say Cowboys, Eagles,

(34:35):
Cowboys Commanders ahead of them. I would say Ravens Steelers.
To me, when I think of modern rivalries, honestly, Raven
Steelers is maybe at the top in terms of the
game's being good. You know, what else would you put
in there.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
There's some that have kind of worn off, but I
mean colch Patriots was hot for a while. They was Patrian'bills.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
I feel like is a rivalry you could go back
to Cowboys forty nine Ers. At no point does Bears
Vikings in my brain like if the Pirates Vikings, Packers Bike,
if the other team doesn't know they're in a rivalry,
you're not allowed to play your.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Rivalry because even like Bengals Browns is bigger, they're in
the same state. I mean, I would the Packers, I
would think would put both the Bears and the Lions
ahead of the Vikings because they're closer. So I think
it's kind of a desperate and sad tweet, and I

(35:36):
think the Vikings ought to apologize to everyone for it.

Speaker 3 (35:40):
And really, if you had just asked me on the street, hey,
what's one of the best rivalries in the NFL, I
might have said Packers Bears. That's like the longest standing.
It's probably number one. It's probably number one.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
I mean, the Packers have dominated in the last decade,
but it's probably number one. I mean, just the other
someone go Broncos Chiefs. Broncos Raiders was a big one for.

Speaker 2 (36:01):
A long time.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I used to go to Chiefs Raiders at I've been
to it twice, and that used to be Nests.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
I mean forty nine Ers Rams is another one that
I I just think when I think historically, I would
say Bears, Packers, and then when I think in the
last twenty years, I would probably say Steelers Ravens in
terms of but I would never say Packers Vikings and
it offends me.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Billing I'm angry.

Speaker 5 (36:26):
I don't blame you.

Speaker 6 (36:27):
I mean Cowboys, forty nine Ers had some good ones
back in the day.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah, I just said that. You thank you for listening
as well. Lions, it's twice, both of you minds another twice.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
It's okay. They got other things going on. Lions and Giants.

Speaker 1 (36:46):
Lions win thirty four twenty seven in overtime. Even though
the Lions won, I feel like the Giants were the story.
Specifically Jamis. He had such a great Jamis game. He
had a touchdown catch where he broke a tackle. He
had a moon ball that's the highest pass I've ever
seen thrown in my life and somehow was completed. It

(37:07):
was only a thirty yard pass, but he threw it
thirty yards in the air as well.

Speaker 3 (37:13):
I love the Jamis experience, even though it ended up
in a loss. I had so much fun watching Jamis today.
And it just makes me mad that Russell Wilson was
over the quarterback. All right, sure, Jackson darc your future.
He's been good. He's hurt now. It should have been
Jackson Dart and Jameis Winston. And that's it.

Speaker 2 (37:28):
Jamis.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
That the touchdown reception he had, he catches in the
flat like breaks a tackle, doesn't look dance in the
end zone.

Speaker 2 (37:36):
It's just it was such a great Jamis game.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
It felt like also, I don't know, maybe there's a
stat for this, Billy the next gen stuff. It felt
like every pass he threw it was a deep ball,
Like anytime he was dropping back he was.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
He was throwing long. It was just the.

Speaker 1 (37:49):
Full This would have been a signature Jameis win if
they could have gotten it on the road in Detroit
in a game that they didn't shouldn't have won. But
the actually, you know, Giants were up ten again. Billy
They've had four games this year where they were up
ten on the road and have lost all four of them.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
That's crazy.

Speaker 6 (38:09):
It is Jamiir Gibb just went off two hundred and
sixty four scrimming yards for him. Did you guys see
Jamis's pregame speech, because he's really good, way.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Don't skip over that.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
Two hundred and sixty four yards rushing from scrimmage is
in a excuse me, Jamier Gibbs, by the way, is
an absolutely obscene.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Number, But go ahead.

Speaker 6 (38:26):
Yeah, he's been incredible these last couple of games. But
Jamis said we outside, but we inside on his pregame.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
I like that, So I guess, yeah, I guess that's
his thing is he says we outside, but then the
game was indoors. I appreciate it that he recognized that,
yes he was indoors, but metaphorically in his mind he
was outdoors.

Speaker 6 (38:47):
Yeah, he's had some great ones in the past eating
w's say that there's Jamis.

Speaker 5 (38:52):
The Jamis brand is strong right now in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
How about when it went to overtime, why did Russell
Wilson go out for the coin flip with his helmet on?
Why he wore his helmet, like, did we know you're
not playing? Jamis has been off to this game. I
don't understand that. Didn't understand that call at all. Plus
does no one likes Russell Wilson. You mentioned teams don't
kick field goals anymore?

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Well, there were three games today where teams needed points
and chose.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
Not to them.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
One of them was here where the Lions had a
chance I believe to or the Giants had a chance
to go up six chose not to.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
They probably win if they do it.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
You had the Cowboys game where the Cowboys had a
chance to take the lead at the end of the
fourth quarter, didn't chose not to. And then you had
the Jaguars game where they two were up three, had
a chance to go up six, chose not to. In
all three situations they don't make it. Is this like
a plague of going forward a little too much on
fourth and goal?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah, the Giants, I guess I get it. You want
to put the game away. You're an interim coach. You're done.
You got Jamis Winston at quarterback and Russell Wilson wearing
his helmet over on the sideline, So I get you
want to try to go up ten, but it was
fourth and I would have taken the points there and
just tried to keep Detroit out of the end zone.
They went the other out and they go on and
lose overtime. So at least on that one, what else

(40:14):
we have to play for is their mindset.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
I think the most egregious one was actually Dallas, and
we'll get a second because Dallas could have won the game.
They didn't win it, and it didn't matter, but let's
just go to that one.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
The afternoon game Philadelphia.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Philadelphi scores first three possessions, it's twenty one nothing, it's
looking like games over, and then Dallas reels off twenty
four straight. Philadelphia makes some stupid decisions, big turnover.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Pretty much an amazing win for the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
I watched this at a sports bar in Louisville, and
there were three really drunk Cowboys fans and I just
need to They were sitting at the table next to me,
and I was, as you do on an NFL Sunday,
I was eating food and I was reading the New Yorker.
The games on around me. That's a good Sunday for me.

(41:11):
Games everywhere New Yorker during the breaks, and it's twenty
one seven, and this guy just is yelling so loud
for every Dallas play and I wanted to look at
him and say, sir, it's over. You're not gonna win.
You all stink. I'm trying to read the New Yorker.

(41:32):
Can you please keep it down? But he kept But
I give him credit because he kept yelling, and he
yelled every play, and he was in it, and he
was screaming and he was yelling, and it ended up
working out. But the best moment was towards the end
of the game when the other games had ended. You
know how they'll switch to the get.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
To the game.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
The TVs that had been on the other game were
like ten seconds ahead of the Cowboys feed, right, so
the sound and a lot of the TVs were playing
the game, but there were most TVs were now ahead.
My man that was screaming never realized it. Okay, he

(42:17):
was so drunk he never realized it.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
So as the as it would go, the Cowboys.

Speaker 1 (42:22):
Fans would cheer, and then ten seconds later he would
cheer when he saw it.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
And I was wondering, what is his in his mind?

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Why does he think all these other people are cheering
ten seconds before him. So I think the whole restaurant
collectively decided the joy in the game would be seeing
the Cowboys do something successful, waiting ten seconds for him
to find out, and then watching him celebrate. And so

(42:51):
he went from someone I didn't enjoy to my favorite
person ten seconds later, Gary, who would celebrate all of Cowboys' success.

Speaker 3 (43:00):
It sounds like a man is just locked into his team.
You don't even know his surroundings. He probably even know
there are other people. They're in the restaurant and that TV.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
This is one seconds late. This is what I mentioned.
I just rode games off at twenty one. Nothing. I
checked out.

Speaker 3 (43:16):
I was in the other room talking to people, having
a good time, and then come back in and it's
twenty one fourteen, thought, oh, I need to take a
seat and kind of lock into what's happening here.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
This would have been on the epic Cowboys loss.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
By the way, Cebee Lamb had a drop in the
end zone that was absolutely brutal. They go for it
on fourth down, Aubrey misses only his second field goal
of the year. I mean, this would have been an
epic loss. But you are a kind of your wife's
a Cowboys fan. This ends up being one of their
more exciting wins in the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
It was my brother in law is an Eagles fan.
There's like a family dynamic. They bet on every game.
So there was trash talking all day for this. I
could not believe that they did not kick that field
goal in a TI game.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
I mean, I checked it.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
I mean the argument was if we kicked this, they'll
still get the ball at the thirty.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
They're gonna tie. I mean, that's the whole thing we've
talked about.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
If you kick it off, they're going to get the
ball at the thirty probably anyway.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
So you would have kicked it though.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Yeah, I mean the Eagles hadn't scored since early in
the second quarter. Your defense had been stopping him. I mean,
there was only a little over two minutes left.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Tie game.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
The other scenarios we brought up, we're talking about a
team up three trying not to you know, go up
six or go up ten. This is a tie game
with under three minutes left, get the points and go up.
Luckily it ended up working. But I was at a
party about fifteen people all shouted at once, what are
you all doing? We were just in shock that they
weren't taking the field goal.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Yeah, this morning when I did ESPN and I had
a guest host with me, Myron was gone. Andrew south Chunis.
I guess he's like a talk radio guy in Philly.
So he was my guest host. And I was like, dude,
you won the Super Bowl last year and you're eight
and two, Like, why are you so negative? And he
was and he said, our offense stinks. Wait and see,

(45:00):
wait and see. And then today they get up twenty
one to nothing. I barely know this man. I text
him and know I'm like, see, what were you complaining about?
And then I got an hour straight of TOLDJA, Told JA,
they stink, told JA, and he was proven right.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Yeah, they've gone the wrong way offensively. Their defense is
still stout even though they gave this up. But on
the Cowboys end, that offense, Pickens that's gonna end up
being one of the best trades ever. Pickens has had
one hundred and fifty back to back games touchdowns. CD
had the horrible drop that you mentioned. I don't know
the Pickens is ever going to steal like CDs spot
is wide receiver won there, but they have been incredible

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combo and Pickens is having a sensational year.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
That's kind of unexpected when people wrote him off.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
What'd you think of the guy on the punt return
who is becoming like hero of the film room. He
gets knocked down twice, just like Chumble one, but he
gets up again and comes down and makes the hit
that causes the fumble that day.

Speaker 3 (45:58):
He ends up becoming a hero. Yeah, Elijah Clark, a rookie.
I'm gonna make your prediction. We're gonna get some kind
of video out of the Cowboys mark marketing where they
show that in the in the film room tomorrow because
that's one of those plays. Even if he did that
and it's not a game flipping moment like that, just
to stay with it, get knocked down twice, maybe even
a third time, and go.

Speaker 2 (46:18):
Make that play. That's something the coaches love in practice.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
It's already been everywhere and like everybody who likes football
is like a football got.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Played, geto GETO near for people up.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
I tell you make gross dude like they like, and
that's this is it's such a football dude thing, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:37):
But he was getting beat up dump him. I don't
know I get here. I just like.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Every person went online to be more manly in trying
to talk about how great that play was.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
It wasn't great play though. Save the game. Chador is.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Yeah, they went against the Raiders twenty four to ten.
I mean, he wasn't like good, but he wasn't bad.
But they won, so you gotta give him credit for that.
He had one I thought, really good pass, a deep
pass early in the game that was a really great look.
He throw it on the run. Rest of the game

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in it was whatever. They didn't have him do it
a whole lot, but they did win.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
And after the game, what was it you said? He said?

Speaker 3 (47:36):
He said, this is what I did after a week
of practice. Give me a whole offseason and it'll be dangerous.

Speaker 2 (47:43):
She k like, you know, he ain't stopping. He's gonna
be what he's gonna be.

Speaker 1 (47:51):
I saw a manual Acho who just on a personal level,
I just find the cheesiest human being on earth, unless
he works for the NFL, at which point I think
he's wonderful. He he did one of those videos where
he like just hold holds the phone right next to
his face and he's like holding his finger and he
was like, if this is Shador's floor, wait till you

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see what his ceiling is. I don't know why I
sounded like Jimmy swagger, but that's what he did. And
I thought, well, how do you know it's his floor?
That may be his peak. I mean they didn't have
any film on Hym. That might be the best he
ever playing the worst team in the league. Yeah, I
think you wear like ten for twenty. I'm not trying
to downplay today. I will say that throw fifty two

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yard throw. I had some feelings for I feel happy
for him. They showed Miles Garrett. He looked like a
proud period Dion.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Oh he was shocked.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Miles Garrett looked like, what how did you do that?
I've never seen that before. That was his look to
be honest.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Yeah, well Dion and his cowboy hat. I did have
a big smile for shit. Look the cowboy hat.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
By the way, what do you think about EON's like
like he's now? I mean when I go to Vegas,
I wear a cowboy hat. But that's just because ladies
like it. Maybe that's why Deon does it too. I
don't know, do you like the cowboy hat I do. Yeah,
I'm not a huge dal I'm not.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
You know, people, they're like a polarizing thing, like either
hate him you don't.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I'm indifferent.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
I was happy for him in that moment, enjoyed seeing
Dion celebrate. I just wish, you know, the past got
stopped on the one couldn't get credit for a touchdown.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
I wish it had had one more yard, would have
got yours first TD.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I yeah, his first TD ended up being like a
dump off. The guy ran sixty five yards. It's weird
because I really liked Don and all. I mean, I've
liked him since I was a kid. I was doing
the d On dance when I was ten, when he
was at Florida State, right Like, I love the guy.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
I don't know why it hasn't transferred to his son.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
I don't have that same affinity, but I do think,
you know, he's good entertainment at least, like he's more
I think Dylan Gabriel is probably still better, but he's
more fun to talk about.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
And if it had been Dylan Gabriel, I would have
watched zero minutes the zero of it, I mean zero.
If I could have found a way to get away
from that game. If I were near it, I would
have done it, but with Shadur you had to keep
eyes on it.

Speaker 6 (50:12):
Do you guys feel bad for Miles Garrett. He's had
fourteen sacks in five games. He has eighteen and a
half sacks and the record is twenty one in a
season or actually, I'm sorry twenty two sent by Michael Strahan.

Speaker 5 (50:22):
I mean, he's gonna break the all.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
He's gonna end up having one of these careers. We
talked about this, like Joe Thomas, the other Browns got
where he's like an all time great and no one
I don't see, no one knows, but no one cares
because the team's never good. He's amazing. I mean, he's
amazing and like no one of me. If he played
for a good team, he would be one of the

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faces of the league.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
Yeah, I mean I thought there might be a chance
he'd try to go get to a contender maybe in
his career. Like, guys, do I think he's just gonna
retire Brown with sacks records and nothing in his trophy case?

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yeah, it's actually that's one of the sadder thoughts. He's
gonna retire a Brown.

Speaker 5 (51:03):
He took the money. It's his choice.

Speaker 1 (51:05):
Tell me, I'm not I'm not a grudging him. I'm
just like, can you imagine just saying the phrase, I mean,
it's I'm retiring of Brown.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
It's not even a fun nickname.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
And then you got to think, do I want to
just stay around Cleveland and be a legend or no?

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I mean he doesn't. I can answer that question. No
he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
He'll fly in when they retires Jersey and he'll come
once a year, and like.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
He does not want to stay there.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
I don't think Jaguars beat the Cardinals twenty seven, twenty
four Trevor Lawrence. They won, but he put on and
really epically bad. He had four turnovers, the three interceptions.
You want to talk about the opposite of the Cowboys
guy covering the pun. Go look at Trevor Lawrence's receptions

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an interception. They were awful. The ball would like do
orbital spins and get intercepted. He made horrible decisions. He
is Tom Brady one day and like Wayne Brady the
next day. It is unbelievable how bad he can look.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
And we're starting to see more Wayne Brady than Tom Brady.
I was thinking earlier in the year that Liam Cohen
might fire him up and we might see his career
take off. But I'm getting more Wayne Brady, especially today
with the four turnovers.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Well, I mean they won to their credit and Cardinals
had a chance at the end. We're not able to
do it. I don't know if you saw Liam Cohen
they went into overtime. I don't know if you saw
Liam Cohen's postgame speech.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Liam Cohen goes he was like.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
In Jacksonville, Florida, it is known we do not apologize
for victories.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
And I was like, known by who.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Who has an opinion about what they do in Jacksonville, Florida.
He said it, like it's pretty much you know, San Francisco,
known for Rayne, New Orleans known for Cajun Jacksonville, known
for not apologizing for victory.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
You know, we knew Liam when he was here at UK.
I never expected we'd get as many locker room speeches.
They're tweeting out for a big locker room speech. Yeah,
but he's also kind of corny. I mean the du
Vaux that's more him than the locker room speeches. But
they keep putting him out. Well, they're awkward I mean
they put him out. He doesn't look like you know,
I mean, I like Liam, he's good.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
Coach.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
Liam would come to our bar and he would be
one of the more awkward people in the bar. So
you put him in an NFL locker room, I have
to think. But look, he's done well. They're good. They
would have a playoff spot if it started today.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah, I think we predicted they might be in the Texans.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Winning on Thursday was big in that division, but Jacksonville's
still on track to get there.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Falcons in the Saints, I don't know who cares. I mean,
I think the Falcons won, but I'm not sure. They
still five more times this season, so there'll be plenty
of times for the Saints to get revenge.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
I can't who are the people that watched these two
teams play and why Tyler Shuck's parents.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
All the kamara I saw got taken out of the game,
which reminded me that he's played for forty seven years.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah, this was a pretty boring. I mean, you had
cousins at quarterback for Atlanta. Jhon Robinson didn't even have
a big game. It was just kind of a dull
game all the way around.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Is this one of.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
The worst endings of a career for what Kirk Cousins
is having. I mean, a lot of people, I'm trying
to think, what's a worse ending than you just ended
up on Atlanta, got beat out by a rookie and
come in and just you know, bore people to death
for the end of the season.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
And I just you got beat out by a rookie.
They paid you to be the guy and then drafted
her rookie right.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Over the top of you. So yeah, he's old. He
is old.

Speaker 6 (55:08):
About Russell Wilson, I love him though, Well, yeah that's
true Russell Wilson.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
But yeah, I guess Russell Wilson's decline. I mean there
there have been a few of these. I mean Philip
Rivers I think finished his career in Indianapolis.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
Uh for a year. Trying to think of other guys
who had weird finishes.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
Well, the weirdest for me will always be Bred for
having a Jets jersey. But that Aaron Rodgers kind of
recreated it.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
He did, but he's actually gotten a little bit of
a bounce back with Pittsburgh. He doesn't it's not and
Aaron Rodgers got hurt, so it was kind of a different,
different ending for their careers.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
But there are those.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
Players that will go do it somewhere else and it's
just weird seeing in another jersey.

Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, I like those.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
Somebody should have a collection of just guys who went
to other teams, like the Shaquille O'Neill Cleveland Cavaliers Jersey.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Those are the jerseys that I would like to have,
And it's Smith being a Cardinals high on that list
for me too.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
Yeah, he had a good year for them, though Here
Joe Montana was a Chief, but like took him in
the playoffs. I mean, like I think took him maybe
the AFC Championship one year as a chief. People forget
those Bucks. Rams was tonight. Baker Mayfield got her, but
the Rams were dominant. Are they the best team in

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the league?

Speaker 2 (56:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (56:29):
And Stafford, I mean I haven't seen his final stats
because we've been happen as it's been an ending, but
just seeing the final score, I'm gonna assume Stafford had
another huge game.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
There's four possessions, four touchdowns and four possessions. Mora and Billy.
The year was so fun early.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
How we feel in the last two weeks, I know,
it was a good competition, but taking a couple of
l's for your team that was looking like a contender
there for a while.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
Yeah, it's all systems failure. They're lucky to have an
easy schedule. They played Carolina two of the last three weeks,
so maybe they can still win the division.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Easy. We mean easy, that's not They're six and five,
that's not easy.

Speaker 6 (57:03):
Although they're scheduled, they play all their NFC South teams
here on the back, so it's going to be a
little easier than what they've played.

Speaker 5 (57:08):
But I mean, they.

Speaker 6 (57:09):
Don't have a corner, they don't have a pass rush.
It's disgusting out there. I enjoyed the brief moments of
hope that we got in that Bills game that they
played in, but since then it's been nothing but bad.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
It was cool here.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Teddy Bridgewater, Teddy two Gloves.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
I didn't know.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
When he was out there. I didn't know who that
was at first, Like when he came out. First of all,
I haven't seen Teddy in a long time. I didn't
realize his hair was like that, so I was like,
who is this guy? It is nice to see Teddy
Bridgewater though we've known him since he was in college.
And obviously the fact that he was coaching a high
school team earlier this year and ends up playing on

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Sunday night football is a crazy story.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, when he came in, I had no idea he
wasn't even coaching high school. Aymo, I didn't know he
was back in the league, and here he is Sunday
night prime time for the Bucks.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
That was a nice plus whist there, Billy.

Speaker 6 (57:57):
Yeah, he walked right by us when we were in
Buffalo too, so I guess we missed him in the hallway.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Yeah, which is weird because I would like to have
said hi to him. I mean, he probably doesn't remember me,
but I would like to have. So maybe it's good
I didn't because it would have hurt my feelings if
he didn't if he didn't remember. But I but it is.
He's a very likable guy. Remember he was the one
who bought his mom like a pink Cadillac or something
when he got drafted. And so I've always I've always
really liked Teddy Bridgewater.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Then he got in trouble at high school for just
like making sure kids had food. Yeah, because they ended
up being in permissible benefits and He's like, I'm just
trying to make sure that my kids don't starve.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Only and only in in today's world, are like, stop
giving your kids food.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
Give them two million dollars to go to college. That's
what you're supposed to do. Do not give them food.
Are you crazy? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (58:48):
So, overall, good day of NFL football and Billy, you
you got your Chargers beating the Titans, so you are
still alive in the Challenger League.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
You got six more weeks. You think you're gonna be
able to do it.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
Yeah, Seahawks got the win today.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
Over the time, I say Charges, I'm in Seahawks over
the tire and Titians have another game with a team
that I haven't picked that I feel pretty confident about
my chances.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
It's pretty rude of you, actually to always pick against me.

Speaker 5 (59:16):
I didn't even watch strategy even he was given up.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
They got one in them before the year's over. I mean,
they were competitive today in that.

Speaker 5 (59:24):
Game they beat Arizona.

Speaker 3 (59:26):
They were I was surprised that they covered to be
honest and kept it within six. But I think Billy's
strategy will continue for the rest of the year, and
I hope it does because we have the number one
pick if we just continue to suck, and that's what
I want.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
Panther S, forty nine Ers Monday Night? Who do you like?
Don't make me do it? Do do? I want the
Panthers and they are on the road.

Speaker 1 (59:49):
Are you going to pick the Panthers on the road
in San Francisco?

Speaker 2 (59:52):
Are you going with Bryce? I'll go Bryce.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
You know last week you went out on a limb
with Texans taking down the Bills. I'll be crazy and
say that the Panthers pull off a upset.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
I don't know if it's Party or Bryce or Brock
Jones quarterbacking. I'm not sure, but either way, I'll take
San Francisco. As we've talked about, I think they're the
same person. You're not gonna convince me otherwise. I can't
tell who's who. But I do think they'll win again.
The forty nine ers have such an easy schedule coming

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down the stretch. I don't think they're gonna catch the Rams,
but they will probably be the top wild card seat
unless they collapse down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, I know that. I think they play. My Titans
might have a game against Cleveland. Yeah, I think they
played it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
I think they play it's either the Titans and the
Jets or the Titans in the Browns.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
They have two very easy games. Yeah, I count those
as wins. And I believe you said this before the
season started. We're gonna look up at the end of
the year and the forty nine ers just gonna a
great record and no one's gonna believe.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Well, and the Patriots are like that too.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
I mean, the Patriots are ten and two, but besides
the Bills, like everybody they've beaten stinks, so like there's
no way to know if they're really good or not so,
and they're gonna they could be end up in the
one seed in the in the AFC as well.

Speaker 3 (01:01:14):
So what is impressive about the Patriots. I agree that
the competition had been good, but there's six and oh
on the road in the NFL. That's impressive no matter
who you're playing. So, even though it's not the top
tier of what they'll see in the playoffs, winning road games,
that has been impressive. I did like Drake May's answer
to Steven A. Smith, like I don't watch your show.

(01:01:35):
I did it very personally. Yeah, that was so that
was so.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
Presumptuous of steven A to be like, you know First Take,
you know Cam Newton's on it. I mean somebody pointed
out First Take, which is a big sports show, but
it has the same ratings as HGTV's Prime timeline. Can
any one name hg TV's prime time lineup. No one

(01:02:02):
goes up to Patrick Mahomes and go, you know, Diana
and her trees are on HGTV at night.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
I'll be honest, I'm probably like, what are you talking about,
steven A. I've probably seen more HUTV than First Take.
I don't watch First Take.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
But my big thing was, you know, Stephen Drake May
is probably pretty busy those hours that you're on TV,
probably in a locker room, might be watching film, could
even be active into.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
Practice at that time of day. So I don't expect
to do I chephim embarrassed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
Cam Newton was like, all right, man, you don't have
to go as far like we're good, I.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Got this pad on, I'm fine, just.

Speaker 3 (01:02:37):
Let me be Also, if you go back this isdn't
you enough attension? And I know it's just a slip,
but Steve and A said, we've been the number one
show for twenty plus decades, thought that he meant twenty
plus years, but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
He said twenty plus decades.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
Yeah, he took over for John Quincy Adams, and then
after that they've been in charge and they've been number
one ever since.

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
One thing on the Monday night game.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
Remember Panthers are six and oh when they win the
coin toss, oh and five when they don't maybe live
you know, will.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
You text tweet out who wins the joint toss? How
that I know what to do?

Speaker 5 (01:03:09):
Live bet at Billy our Sports.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
All right, at Billy our Sports. Well, all right, folks,
thank you very much. Enjoy your week. We will be back.
Likes to be doing a Tuesday special Thanksgiving episode, so
we'll be back in a couple of days to get you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Ready for all the big games on Thursday. This has
been Cover zero.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
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