September 5, 2025 • 13 mins
Buster draws parallels with the (99-01) Yankees and the 2025 Dodgers. He also talks about the Dodgers playing down to their competition, the National League playoff picture, and Cal Ripken breaking Lou Gehrig's consecutive games played record.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now an exclusive interview with David Bassey for Dodger Talker.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, I'm really happy to be joined right now by
a man that you see every Sunday on ESPN Sunday
Night Baseball. He has set the standard for the next
generation of baseball writers and baseball coverage of his outstanding
work as a beat writer to now being a national
voice for ESPN, and that is Vermont's favorite son, the
(00:29):
one and only Buster Only. Buster. Thanks a lot for
the time. Appreciate it, mister Bassey.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's great to talk with you, and thank you for
doing the introduction without sticking a cheap shot at my
home stay at Moont. This is like the first time ever.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, now you let me know you're a Vikings fan,
So now I have more ammunition to torture you over
the coming years.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, you don't need to torture me being a Vikings fan.
That's inherent. It's redundant to say that if I'm a
Vikings fan, I'm already tortured.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, well that's true. That's true. Buster. I thought about
you this weekend for a number of different reasons. First
and foremost, you covered the Yankees and wrote one of
my favorite books kind of just chronicling that era of
Yankee baseball. The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty is
one of my favorite books. And since the Dodgers are
(01:20):
trying to do something that hasn't been done since those
Yankees twenty five years ago, I thought maybe you would
have good perspective on what Dodger fans should be feeling
in a regular season that has left them wanting more.
Did the Yankees leave their fans going into any one
of their championships wanting more and making them a little
(01:41):
nervous going into the postseason?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh my god, Yes, no doubt about it. You know,
the ninety eight team was extraordinary in one one hundred
and twenty five games regular season, postseason combined, and except
for one I think moment of relaying during the playoffs
in the American League Championship Series, they rolled through. But
(02:05):
in ninety nine, in two thousand and two thousand and one,
when they were trying to repeat his champions the regular
season became really hard for that team increasingly year by year,
I think in part human nature, they got a little
bored during the course of the year, you know, to
the point that Joe Torre at one point during a
(02:26):
team meeting, yelled at him and said, look, you can't
turn it on and off like a light switch. And
so yeah, I mean there definitely were moments of anxiety,
and I certainly have thought about that, you know, watching
this Dodger team, because pushing that rock up the hill
every year becomes more and more difficult, especially I think
for older players. But I had an executive with another
(02:48):
team say to me earlier this year, at some point
he thinks the Dodger DNA will kick in and they'll
focus when the game's become more meaningful. And so I
think apps aslutely, if you're a Dodger fan, you can
learn something from those Yankee teams in the late nineties
because they did get hard.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, it certainly feels like there's been a lot of
talk about the Dodgers have a losing record against losing
teams in their last twenty matchups. Yeah, I don't know
if that's basically the teams bringing their World Series game
while the Dodgers are saying, ho hum, we got the
bigger picture in mind.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I think it absolutely is that. And you know, those
Yankee teams that I covered, you know, if you put
the red Sox in front of them. If you put
the Cleveland Indians at that time, you know, one of
the best American League teams in front of them, the
Yankees would bring their a game and they would play
so focused. But if you put in ninety nine or two,
(03:47):
two thousand and one, a team like Tampa Bay in
front of them, if you put Kansas City in front
of them, then it became a problem. And as I say,
that's that's where I really learned. That was from watching
that team. And look, I really don't say that as
a criticism. I think anybody who has a job can
relate to this. That over the course of a you know,
a year, you're gonna have periods where you're you're not
(04:10):
as engaged, you're not as focused, you're not as uh,
you know, as locked in as you are at other
times during the course of the year. And that's what happens.
It's it's absolutely human nature.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And I think that's what the Dodgers have been dealing
with this year, to the point that I almost laugh
at myself, the idea that the even engaging in the
conversation about whether or not the team would win one
hundred and twenty games.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah. I thought that was a little much at the
beginning of the season because that's never been their goal
as an organization.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No, no, And I think I mean, and you know
this better than I do, because you're around the team.
I think the front of office, I think the coaching staff,
they focus on the big picture. They focus on October.
You know, to the point that I mean people with
other teams that believe that the Dodgers have essentially, you know,
made a habit of giving the starting pitchers periods of
(05:02):
rest during the course of the year because they know
they have to. They're gonna be meaningful games in October
and they need to have the guys ready for them.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Buster Olney is joining us from ESPN, and Buster, I
got to ask you, with all that being said, do
you feel like the Dodgers are in a position to
make another run to get to the World Series and
get through the National League, even if they have to
play that Wildcard series. How do you look at the Dodgers,
you know, just being detached from the.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Day to day their experience, the star power on the
roster is going to make them very dangerous. They absolutely could.
Here's the other thing too, It's not as if we're
looking at, you know, a group of teams and saying, boy,
those are great teams that absolutely cut up end the Dodgers.
You know, the Phillies just lost Zach Wheeler, who is
(05:51):
their ace, their aircraft carrier. That's a huge blow for
that team. Mike. The Brewers are really good. They've had
a lot of injuries late and as you know that
they've scuted a little bit lately because of those in
part because of those injuries, you know, the Mets are
dealing with all kinds of issues with their starting rotation.
San Diego just lost Jason Adam, who was arguably their
(06:13):
best relief atcher. He's out. That's something that they have
to overcome. And if you look at the American League,
it feels completely wide open, with the National League being
a better league this year than the American League. So yeah,
they could the Dodgers DNA kick in and they roll
through October. As the executive suggested to me, no question
(06:34):
about it.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Buster one bringing some calm to the storms in Los Angeles.
And Buster, we know you as the man on Sunday
Night Baseball, one of the best national voices in the game.
But it all started as a beat writer, and thirty
years ago you were writing for the Baltimore Sun covering
(06:56):
Cal Ripken and the Orioles as he was getting closer
and eventually broke Lou Garrigg's all time game streak. They
are celebrating him tomorrow in Baltimore on the anniversary. What
do you remember most about that game and that season
leading up to it.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
How important that was for baseball at the time, because,
as you know, you know, the context was that baseball
was coming off the labor strife that cost it the
ninety four World Series in the beginning of the ninety
five season and there are a lot of fans who
are really angry. Cow was a great figure of credibility
for the sport, and he handled that moment so well.
(07:39):
You know, going everywhere that the Orioles traveled, he met
with reporters, he talked about baseball. He treated it, as
he said, like a celebration of baseball. You know, at
the All Star Game that year it is in Texas,
and he signed autographs for hours after Orioles games, and
this is like, you know, he would go and he
didn't do this every night, but he I want to say,
(08:01):
he did it four or five times during the course
of the summer. You know, after an Orioles game was over,
he'd go back in, have a vit, come back out,
have a towel over shoulder, and sign autographs for two hours.
I mean, he was phenomenal and how he represented the
sport at that time. You know, people have said that
the ninety eight home run chase between Mark McGuire and
(08:23):
Sammy Sosis saved baseball. That's wildly overstated. Cal Ripkin was
the one who started the healing for baseball after the
player strikes nineteen ninety five, and it's part of the
reason why that year. You know, when I turned in
my MVP ballot, I gave him a tenth place vote,
not because he was one of the ten best players,
but because of how important he was to baseball at
(08:43):
that time.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
How important is it for the entire league to recognize
the anniversary that's taken place on Saturday at Camden Yards.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, I hope they do. I mean, obviously the Orioles
are having a down season, but you know, his importance
is sport was phenomenal. How he handled it was phenomenal.
A lot of players I think could learn from his
example of connecting with fans, And let me just tell you, like,
I wasn't close with Cal at all. You know, he
wasn't someone who necessarily liked to engage with the media
(09:15):
all the time. But the thing is is that he
understood that year how important his chase was and the
way fans were gravitating toward it. And it's part of
the reason why, you know, I think he just handled
it so well because he understood the moment.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Isn't it incredible? Buster Thirty years ago, we're celebrating a
guy for doing what he did to play all these
games consecutively and never miss a day. And now we're
in the era of load management. Even in baseball, not
just the NBA, but even in Major League Baseball. Load
management seems to be part of the norm.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's exactly right, and you could have even in situations
when players are telling their teams, look, I'm good to go, oh,
most teams will still rest the guy, as you know.
You know, the longest streak right now is Matt Olsen,
who plays the Atlanta Braves. He's not even a third
of the way to Cal's record of two thousand, six
hundred and thirty two consecutive games and you know this too.
In some respects, I think Cal contributed to to ending
(10:18):
any chance anybody comes close to that record again, because
there was a perception that as that streak went on
and on and on, that he had more power than
the organization. In twenty twenty five, that would never happen,
And so you know, it's it's part of that when
(10:39):
people talk about unbreakable records. You know Cy Young's five
hundred and eleven wins, you know, it is certainly one
that you look at that'll never happen again. We wonder
if anyone's gonna hit four hundred again. No one will
come within a billion miles of Cal's record of consecutive
games of two thousand, six hundred and thirty two.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Buster. I was thinking about you. I know that sounds creepy,
but I was thinking about you, and you were the
perfect guy to talk to before this weekend series gets
going in Baltimore because you had a front row seat
to that season in ninety five, and like I said,
I'm not just saying that. That Last Night of the
Yankees Dynasty book you wrote is still one of my
(11:17):
all time favorites. So great perspective on both topics because
people are freaking out in La.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, I appreciate that, and I totally get it. Look,
I mean Yankee fans, you know, they always believe if
they lose, you know, two games in a row, it's
kind of panic. And I think that, you know, once
you start winning championships, the level of expectation grows. So
I totally get where you're coming from.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Hey, Buster, one more for you. Going back to that
two thousand Yankees World Series, I was told that Joe Tory,
out of loyalty to David Kohne, who was in the
twilight of his career, put him on the World Series
roster to face one right handed hitter, and that was
Mike Piazza. He struck him out. Do you feel like
the Dodgers are at the same juncture with Kershaw? How
(12:08):
do you think Kershaw fits in the postseason?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I think you absolutely would be comfortable giving him the ball. Look,
and you're right. Two thousand and David Cohene was one
of the best teammates that I covered. He really struggled
that year and he limped to the finish line and
he was called on in you know, the last game
of the World Series to face Mike Piazza, he gets
him on a flyout, you know, and Cony knows this.
(12:34):
You know, Joe Torre had so much trust in him.
With Kershaw, it's different because he's still a really good pitcher.
You know. The funny thing about Clayton And you know
this better than I do. And I had this conversation
with Dave Roberts. I think he's having more fun now
than at any point in his career, like he's really
enjoying this. And the other thing, too, is about Clayton.
And I learned this from covering Jamie Moyer. You know
(12:57):
who would beat hitters throwing eighty one while throwing eighty
one miles an hour. Clayton, I think has this great
pitcher arrogance that he's gonna be Greg Maddox had it
as well, where he believes he's going to use a
hitter's aggressiveness against them. And I still think with his repertoire,
his knowledge and that picture arrogance, I still think he
(13:18):
thinks he believes he can find a way to get
hitters out. That was not where David Cohne was for
most of the two thousand season.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
So you believe that Clayton Kershaw will make a start
for the Dodgers in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I think he will, and I'll tell you why, because
I think they've got other guys in that rotation who
are more pliable and might be better suited for the
bullpen than Clayton is.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
All right, thank you, Buster, I really tapped into you.
No Sunday Night Baseball this weekend, but we'll get back
at it next Sunday on ESPN. Great to have Buster
only on Dodger Talk. Thanks a lot for the time, Buster,
and can't wait to see you back in La soon.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, David, All kidding aside, I always love talking with you.
And now an exclusive interview with David Bassey for Dodger Talker.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, I'm really happy to be joined right now by
a man that you see every Sunday on ESPN Sunday
Night Baseball. He has set the standard for the next
generation of baseball writers and baseball coverage of his outstanding
work as a beat writer to now being a national
voice for ESPN, and that is Vermont's favorite son, the
(00:29):
one and only Buster Only. Buster. Thanks a lot for
the time. Appreciate it, mister Bassey.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's great to talk with you, and thank you for
doing the introduction without sticking a cheap shot at my
home stay at Moont. This is like the first time ever.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, now you let me know you're a Vikings fan,
So now I have more ammunition to torture you over
the coming years.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yeah, you don't need to torture me being a Vikings fan.
That's inherent. It's redundant to say that if I'm a
Vikings fan, I'm already tortured.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, well that's true. That's true. Buster. I thought about
you this weekend for a number of different reasons. First
and foremost, you covered the Yankees and wrote one of
my favorite books kind of just chronicling that era of
Yankee baseball. The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty is
one of my favorite books. And since the Dodgers are
(01:20):
trying to do something that hasn't been done since those
Yankees twenty five years ago, I thought maybe you would
have good perspective on what Dodger fans should be feeling
in a regular season that has left them wanting more.
Did the Yankees leave their fans going into any one
of their championships wanting more and making them a little
(01:41):
nervous going into the postseason?
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh my god, Yes, no doubt about it. You know,
the ninety eight team was extraordinary in one one hundred
and twenty five games regular season, postseason combined, and except
for one I think moment of relaying during the playoffs
in the American League Championship Series, they rolled through. But
(02:05):
in ninety nine, in two thousand and two thousand and one,
when they were trying to repeat his champions the regular
season became really hard for that team increasingly year by year,
I think in part human nature, they got a little
bored during the course of the year, you know, to
the point that Joe Torre at one point during a
(02:26):
team meeting, yelled at him and said, look, you can't
turn it on and off like a light switch. And
so yeah, I mean there definitely were moments of anxiety,
and I certainly have thought about that, you know, watching
this Dodger team, because pushing that rock up the hill
every year becomes more and more difficult, especially I think
for older players. But I had an executive with another
(02:48):
team say to me earlier this year, at some point
he thinks the Dodger DNA will kick in and they'll
focus when the game's become more meaningful. And so I
think apps aslutely, if you're a Dodger fan, you can
learn something from those Yankee teams in the late nineties
because they did get hard.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, it certainly feels like there's been a lot of
talk about the Dodgers have a losing record against losing
teams in their last twenty matchups. Yeah, I don't know
if that's basically the teams bringing their World Series game
while the Dodgers are saying, ho hum, we got the
bigger picture in mind.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
I think it absolutely is that. And you know, those
Yankee teams that I covered, you know, if you put
the red Sox in front of them. If you put
the Cleveland Indians at that time, you know, one of
the best American League teams in front of them, the
Yankees would bring their a game and they would play
so focused. But if you put in ninety nine or two,
(03:47):
two thousand and one, a team like Tampa Bay in
front of them, if you put Kansas City in front
of them, then it became a problem. And as I say,
that's that's where I really learned. That was from watching
that team. And look, I really don't say that as
a criticism. I think anybody who has a job can
relate to this. That over the course of a you know,
a year, you're gonna have periods where you're you're not
(04:10):
as engaged, you're not as focused, you're not as uh,
you know, as locked in as you are at other
times during the course of the year. And that's what happens.
It's it's absolutely human nature.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
And I think that's what the Dodgers have been dealing
with this year, to the point that I almost laugh
at myself, the idea that the even engaging in the
conversation about whether or not the team would win one
hundred and twenty games.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Yeah. I thought that was a little much at the
beginning of the season because that's never been their goal
as an organization.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
No, no, And I think I mean, and you know
this better than I do, because you're around the team.
I think the front of office, I think the coaching staff,
they focus on the big picture. They focus on October.
You know, to the point that I mean people with
other teams that believe that the Dodgers have essentially, you know,
made a habit of giving the starting pitchers periods of
(05:02):
rest during the course of the year because they know
they have to. They're gonna be meaningful games in October
and they need to have the guys ready for them.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Buster Olney is joining us from ESPN, and Buster, I
got to ask you, with all that being said, do
you feel like the Dodgers are in a position to
make another run to get to the World Series and
get through the National League, even if they have to
play that Wildcard series. How do you look at the Dodgers,
you know, just being detached from the.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Day to day their experience, the star power on the
roster is going to make them very dangerous. They absolutely could.
Here's the other thing too, It's not as if we're
looking at, you know, a group of teams and saying, boy,
those are great teams that absolutely cut up end the Dodgers.
You know, the Phillies just lost Zach Wheeler, who is
(05:51):
their ace, their aircraft carrier. That's a huge blow for
that team. Mike. The Brewers are really good. They've had
a lot of injuries late and as you know that
they've scuted a little bit lately because of those in
part because of those injuries, you know, the Mets are
dealing with all kinds of issues with their starting rotation.
San Diego just lost Jason Adam, who was arguably their
(06:13):
best relief atcher. He's out. That's something that they have
to overcome. And if you look at the American League,
it feels completely wide open, with the National League being
a better league this year than the American League. So yeah,
they could the Dodgers DNA kick in and they roll
through October. As the executive suggested to me, no question
(06:34):
about it.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Buster one bringing some calm to the storms in Los Angeles.
And Buster, we know you as the man on Sunday
Night Baseball, one of the best national voices in the game.
But it all started as a beat writer, and thirty
years ago you were writing for the Baltimore Sun covering
(06:56):
Cal Ripken and the Orioles as he was getting closer
and eventually broke Lou Garrigg's all time game streak. They
are celebrating him tomorrow in Baltimore on the anniversary. What
do you remember most about that game and that season
leading up to it.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
How important that was for baseball at the time, because,
as you know, you know, the context was that baseball
was coming off the labor strife that cost it the
ninety four World Series in the beginning of the ninety
five season and there are a lot of fans who
are really angry. Cow was a great figure of credibility
for the sport, and he handled that moment so well.
(07:39):
You know, going everywhere that the Orioles traveled, he met
with reporters, he talked about baseball. He treated it, as
he said, like a celebration of baseball. You know, at
the All Star Game that year it is in Texas,
and he signed autographs for hours after Orioles games, and
this is like, you know, he would go and he
didn't do this every night, but he I want to say,
(08:01):
he did it four or five times during the course
of the summer. You know, after an Orioles game was over,
he'd go back in, have a vit, come back out,
have a towel over shoulder, and sign autographs for two hours.
I mean, he was phenomenal and how he represented the
sport at that time. You know, people have said that
the ninety eight home run chase between Mark McGuire and
(08:23):
Sammy Sosis saved baseball. That's wildly overstated. Cal Ripkin was
the one who started the healing for baseball after the
player strikes nineteen ninety five, and it's part of the
reason why that year. You know, when I turned in
my MVP ballot, I gave him a tenth place vote,
not because he was one of the ten best players,
but because of how important he was to baseball at
(08:43):
that time.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
How important is it for the entire league to recognize
the anniversary that's taken place on Saturday at Camden Yards.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, I hope they do. I mean, obviously the Orioles
are having a down season, but you know, his importance
is sport was phenomenal. How he handled it was phenomenal.
A lot of players I think could learn from his
example of connecting with fans, And let me just tell you, like,
I wasn't close with Cal at all. You know, he
wasn't someone who necessarily liked to engage with the media
(09:15):
all the time. But the thing is is that he
understood that year how important his chase was and the
way fans were gravitating toward it. And it's part of
the reason why, you know, I think he just handled
it so well because he understood the moment.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Isn't it incredible? Buster Thirty years ago, we're celebrating a
guy for doing what he did to play all these
games consecutively and never miss a day. And now we're
in the era of load management. Even in baseball, not
just the NBA, but even in Major League Baseball. Load
management seems to be part of the norm.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's exactly right, and you could have even in situations
when players are telling their teams, look, I'm good to go, oh,
most teams will still rest the guy, as you know.
You know, the longest streak right now is Matt Olsen,
who plays the Atlanta Braves. He's not even a third
of the way to Cal's record of two thousand, six
hundred and thirty two consecutive games and you know this too.
In some respects, I think Cal contributed to to ending
(10:18):
any chance anybody comes close to that record again, because
there was a perception that as that streak went on
and on and on, that he had more power than
the organization. In twenty twenty five, that would never happen,
And so you know, it's it's part of that when
(10:39):
people talk about unbreakable records. You know Cy Young's five
hundred and eleven wins, you know, it is certainly one
that you look at that'll never happen again. We wonder
if anyone's gonna hit four hundred again. No one will
come within a billion miles of Cal's record of consecutive
games of two thousand, six hundred and thirty two.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Buster. I was thinking about you. I know that sounds creepy,
but I was thinking about you, and you were the
perfect guy to talk to before this weekend series gets
going in Baltimore because you had a front row seat
to that season in ninety five, and like I said,
I'm not just saying that. That Last Night of the
Yankees Dynasty book you wrote is still one of my
(11:17):
all time favorites. So great perspective on both topics because
people are freaking out in La.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, I appreciate that, and I totally get it. Look,
I mean Yankee fans, you know, they always believe if
they lose, you know, two games in a row, it's
kind of panic. And I think that, you know, once
you start winning championships, the level of expectation grows. So
I totally get where you're coming from.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Hey, Buster, one more for you. Going back to that
two thousand Yankees World Series, I was told that Joe Tory,
out of loyalty to David Kohne, who was in the
twilight of his career, put him on the World Series
roster to face one right handed hitter, and that was
Mike Piazza. He struck him out. Do you feel like
the Dodgers are at the same juncture with Kershaw? How
(12:08):
do you think Kershaw fits in the postseason?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I think you absolutely would be comfortable giving him the ball. Look,
and you're right. Two thousand and David Cohene was one
of the best teammates that I covered. He really struggled
that year and he limped to the finish line and
he was called on in you know, the last game
of the World Series to face Mike Piazza, he gets
him on a flyout, you know, and Cony knows this.
(12:34):
You know, Joe Torre had so much trust in him.
With Kershaw, it's different because he's still a really good pitcher.
You know. The funny thing about Clayton And you know
this better than I do. And I had this conversation
with Dave Roberts. I think he's having more fun now
than at any point in his career, like he's really
enjoying this. And the other thing, too, is about Clayton.
And I learned this from covering Jamie Moyer. You know
(12:57):
who would beat hitters throwing eighty one while throwing eighty
one miles an hour. Clayton, I think has this great
pitcher arrogance that he's gonna be Greg Maddox had it
as well, where he believes he's going to use a
hitter's aggressiveness against them. And I still think with his repertoire,
his knowledge and that picture arrogance, I still think he
(13:18):
thinks he believes he can find a way to get
hitters out. That was not where David Cohne was for
most of the two thousand season.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
So you believe that Clayton Kershaw will make a start
for the Dodgers in the postseason.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
I think he will, and I'll tell you why, because
I think they've got other guys in that rotation who
are more pliable and might be better suited for the
bullpen than Clayton is.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
All right, thank you, Buster, I really tapped into you.
No Sunday Night Baseball this weekend, but we'll get back
at it next Sunday on ESPN. Great to have Buster
only on Dodger Talk. Thanks a lot for the time, Buster,
and can't wait to see you back in La soon.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
Yeah, David, All kidding aside, I always love talking with you.
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