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October 30, 2025 47 mins
Steve Sax and Tim Cates react to the Dodgers losing Game 5 of the World Series and trailing the Blue Jays in the best of 7 series. Hear from Mookie Betts and manager Dave Roberts. Dodgers fans react and weigh-in on how their are feeling.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
They say. The hardest thing in sports isn't winning a title.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
It's hard to repeat seasons.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
It's winning it again this Yearning is.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Not trying to win a championship. They're trying to repeat.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
It's October baseball for your world champion in La Dodger.

Speaker 4 (00:14):
The twenty twenty five Dodgers are the National League's Western
Division champions.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
And you know what that means.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Saxon Kates and AM is back.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
This is Saxon Kates in the Morning with Tim Kates
and former World Champion Dodger Steve Sacks.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Reacting, taking your phone calls talking Dodgers playoff baseball all
postseason long.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Now Here they are on AM five to seventy LA
Sports and the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Steve Sacks, Tim Kats.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Tim Kates and World Champion Dodger Steve Sacks.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Hi.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Here we are a Thursday morning, October thirty, eth twenty
twenty five. Yes, the world continues. Despite the Dodgers down
three games to two of his best at seven World Series,
the Dodgers their backs up against the wall. It a
must win game six Friday night out of Rogers Center

(01:15):
in Toronto, Canada. Tim Kats joined by two time World
Series champion from a Rookie of the Year and our
favorite number three of all time, the one and only
Steve sax Saxy. Good morning, Good morning, Tim. How are
you'spid question? I'm not good. That's that's like you going
to Starbucks and the breeze asking you, what are you

(01:37):
doing this weekend?

Speaker 5 (01:38):
What's your plans this weekend? Yeah, my stranger that I've
never met before, let me tell you. Well, let's sit
down for.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
A few minutes. Anyway, go ahead. I am not doing good.
After last night's six to one Toronto Blue Jays butt
kicking of the Dodgers, Blake Snell got touched off early
and often. Trey Ya Savage all of a sudden looks
like a cy Young Award winner. And he's been in
the big leagues all of forty seven days and he
gets a win last night. Now three and one on

(02:06):
the year. Seven innings, twelve strikeouts, zero walks. I mean,
you're talking about a guy who could be the MVP
of this World Series. I mean twelve strikeouts, zero walks,
the most strikeouts by a pitcher in a World Series
game with no walks. This guy's setting records left and right,
and he's had a cup of coffee in the big leagues.

(02:26):
And now the Toronto Blue Jays, after stealing two of
three games from the Dodgers at Dodger Stadium, Saxi go
back to Toronto with all the momentum in the world
and are twenty seven outs away from eliminating the Dodgers.

Speaker 5 (02:40):
Excuse me, Jim, Well, remember when we talked about a
couple of times that a team has got to have
like one surprise that usually kind of fits into the
whole thing. That why we won the World Series. Well,
we did this all right, We did this right. Oh,
and we had one big surprise. The big surprise for
Toronto obviously is trey Ya Savage. That's the big surprise,

(03:03):
and it's working well. This guy was just phenomenal last night.
That Dodgers could not figure him out. A lot of teams,
it seems, throughout his trek to the big leagues from
a ball all the way up could not figure him out.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
So you know, what do we have here? Is this another.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
Unicorn in the making or what? I don't know, but
he's phenomenal. He's got a great splitter, he's got a
great change up in his slider, so he uses these
extremely well. His fastball plays well in the you know,
mid to upper nineties, and he knows how to pitch
at twenty two years old. So good thing is you're
not going to see him anymore. At least you know

(03:40):
you got two games left. So it's time for the
Dodgers to Is this situation dire right now? Yes, well, yes,
it's getting there.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yes.

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Can the Dodgers go to Toronto and win two in
a row and win the World Series? Absolutely they can,
There's no question they can. The Blue Jays know this too,
but something's got to happen. You got to have a reset.
You can't strike out fifteen times to get four hits
and expect to win.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Not going to happen.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
You've got to have a new awakening on this offense
if this team is going to get going, because you
just can't have that many few balls in play and
expect to win. The Blue Jays don't strike out, man,
they put the ball in play, they hit it on
the line. They're not trying to hit every ball out
of the ballpark. It does come, though, when your home
run hitters get up there.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
I think that.

Speaker 5 (04:29):
Vladimir Guerrel certainly doesn't mind putting the ball in the air,
but for the most part, those guys are trying to
hit the ball on the line, and you know, sometimes
it goes out and the other times it's not a strikeout.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
The Dodgers had one run on four hits yesterday and
struck out fifteen times in the game. They drew one walk.
They had four runners left on base, and only one
time last night in Game five, did they have a
runner in scoring position, and they were over one with
a runner and scoring position. Dave Roberts shook up the lineup.

(05:03):
No Andy Paiez Alex call got the start in left field.
He even switched up the top of the lineup with
the Big four, moving things around. He put Mookie Betts
in the three spot, moving up Will spot, Will Smith
of the second spot, and Mookie Betts last night zero
for four with two strikeouts. His struggle is real. Here

(05:23):
in the postseason. Mookie Bets three for twenty three with
no RBIs in this postseason. Here he is postgame last night, befuddled.

Speaker 5 (05:33):
I don't want to speak on anybody else, but for
me personally, I've just been terrible.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
He've been terrible, and there's no. Uh. I wish it
was from lack of effort, I really do, but it's not.

Speaker 6 (05:44):
So Yeah, I don't have any answers.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
They have no answers. I mean, no, he's lost. He's
he's lost. How can he be lost in October? What's happened?
You know what? I've been there, I've been there. Where
MOOKI is?

Speaker 5 (05:57):
I mean, he's he's a he was a much bigger,
you know, player than me. He was. He was a
guy that's more dependent on he is probably more pressure
on him. But as a leadoff hitter, you know, you
got a certain amount of things that you have to
do as well, different from from Mooky's job. But Mooky
is from listening to his his response and whatnot. He

(06:20):
is lost up with the plate right now and that
thing can turn around as much as it turned down
on him and he can't find it. He's it's not
from a lack of effort. Nobody hates this. Nobody takes
this on more than Mookie Betts. He's he's carrying all
of this. He knows that he's a pro about it.
He's not dodging anybody, and he said it like it is.

(06:43):
But you know what we've seen this happen before with Mookie,
and we've seen him get hotter than a firecracker, and
he can, but you got to do it pretty quick
because we got two games left. But just to set
the record straight, he's feeling it more than anybody in
the stands is, and he wishes that he could get
this thing, this ship in the right direction. And like

(07:04):
you said, it's not because of lack of efforts. He's trying.
He goes to bed with this thing, he wakes up
with it, it's at the breakfast table with him, It's
everywhere in his life and he's wearing it and he
wants to fix us believing.

Speaker 2 (07:15):
How does he get out of it? Is it more
mental than physical? Is a mechanical at the play?

Speaker 5 (07:20):
What I think it is, it's it's a little bit
of everything. And when I went through these these uh
fits and starts with you know, seeing the ball and
not being able to make good contact and whatnot, I
think you got to go right back to the basics,
eliminate all going down the rabbit hole of science and hitting.
And you got to go right back to the basics.
What's the basic thing. You got to see the thing

(07:42):
before you can hit it. So you got to see
it and just eliminate movement and just go from here
the launching position right to contact, from there to there.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Make it real simple.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
All that other stuff falls into place, Your feet, your
reaction time, you're you're you know, you're, you're cocking and
gliding before.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
You see the ball.

Speaker 5 (08:00):
All that stuff takes place. You just got to worry
about seeing the ball and be in a position to
hit it when it goes out of his hand, and
just hit it where it's pitched. I mean it sounds easy,
sounds real easy, right, But it's much simpler to eliminate
all the other stuff, all the noise in your head,
slow everything down, and almost make it like an advanced

(08:20):
Pepper game. I'm gonna see the ball and I'm gonna
put the bat on it, and that's it. Let it out,
take take where it's gonna go, see it and hit
it where it's pitched, and make it like an advanced
version of Pepper.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
You oh know what Pepper is? Right? Okay, That's that's
what I think helped me a lot.

Speaker 5 (08:36):
And then pretty soon you start to get to a
point where, man, the ball looks big and you can't
miss it. You just you can go up there and
stand on your head and hit it. And so that's
where he that's where Mooky is.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
If it was just Mookie and everybody else's hitting the
ball and they're scoring runs, the Dodgers would be fine,
and we wouldn't be talking about the struggles of Mookie Bets.
It would be Hey, he's playing great defense, he's a
team leader, and the Dodgers rallying around his offensive struggles.
But Steve, it's one through nine. This is it's not
just Mookie right at all. It's not just Mookie, you know,

(09:08):
dropping from the second spot to the third spot and
it's a quick fix. This is an offense hitting two
to oh two in the World Series, and they've got
solo home runs in seven of its eight home runs
this year. In this postseason, they've scored four runs in
the last twenty nine innings. Their top four hitters last night,

(09:28):
the Big Fours. We all often referred to him to show, hey, Otani,
Will Smith, Mookie Bets, Freddie Freeman win a combined one
for fifteen with eight strikeouts. Now it's not gonna work.
It's not even just a World Series thing. You take
away the wild card round in which they stomped the Reds.
The Dodgers aren't hitting just two twenty two with a

(09:51):
three seventy two slugging percentage of the postseason, way down
from their regular season numbers. And the Dodgers hitting two
to oh one against the Blue Jays in five games
so far this World Series, with runners in scoring position
just two hundred. I mean, this is a lackluster performance

(10:11):
from top to bottom. And we don't see this a
lot nine guys not producing, Everybody in the lineup striking out,
nobody just carrying the flag, so to speak. Offensively, How
does a team completely fall off the face of the
earth offensively, I don't understand how everybody happened. I've seen

(10:34):
it happen.

Speaker 5 (10:34):
I mean, I've seen the Giants do it from being
the best team in the MLB in the first half
to the worst team after the All Star break.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
How do you have a collective collapse like this?

Speaker 5 (10:45):
I've seen the Athletics do it, not when I've been
broadcasting with them last year, but I saw them do
it in the past where they you know, we get
all that information up here where it's it's local, right,
So we saw when they were the Oakland A's I've
seen them go from I'm doing incredible things to being
like the Giants did that one year to just a
collective letdown the whole team at the same time. That's

(11:08):
what we were asking, and yet that's what happens. It
has happened. It's it's kind of like an anomaly, but
it does happen. Look, I'm going through the lineups and
I'm looking outside of Alex call who really hasn't played
much at all. This team doesn't have anybody on the
squad right now. It's in the World Series that's got
a three hundred average, and you know it's not even

(11:28):
close to that. Now you go over to the Blue
Jays team, you got four fifteen, three thirteen, three ninety one,
three forty six, and a bunch of other guys that
are you know, two eighties and what.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
It's it's it's.

Speaker 5 (11:45):
Look, these two teams are built differently, Tim, We all
know it. The Dodger team has built a slug and
the Blue Jays, while they can hit home runs, not
really built that way. They're built like more of a
Barger type that can hit the ball apark that makes contact.
A guy like Ernie Clement who makes contact, you know,
varshow who puts the ball in play. He does not

(12:07):
get hit forty home runs. He'll each fifteen to twenty maybe.
And then you got guys that can launch the ball.
You got Guerrero and but shat, these guys can hit
the ball out of the ballpark. But in Springer can too,
but he's not even playing. This is a team that
hits the ball all over the field. They do not
strike out. They struck out six times yesterday. And they

(12:28):
just make contact and they put the pressure on the defense.
They hit situationally, and there's guys on you know, first
and first and second. They'll hit the ball to the
right side and they move those runners over. They hit
the ball inside the bag at third and first. They
do all those little things offensively to further it up
and put the move the next guy up. And if

(12:49):
you make a mistake, if you walk somebody, or you
make a defensive air or whatever, they are gonna make
you pay. And then they got a bopper that comes
up every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
They can go deep.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
So they're built completely different than the Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
I mean, this is a team right now playing without
George Springer, one of they're two superstars on this team.
Boba Schett's playing on one leg for this Toronto offense,
barely run. I mean, and you talk about taking advantage
of mistakes and you know, kind of paper cutting you
to death. I mean, that's what they did last night
in a nutshell. Last night, he had two home runs

(13:24):
to start off against Blake Snell. You're you're up early,
two to nothing, and Nighter's not a home run hitter, no,
you know, he's not a home run hitter, no boom.
And then you got traffic on the base pass. And
when you get traffic out there, the Dodgers all of
a sudden became you know, defensively inept, and you know,
we're seeing double play balls not turned, we're seeing ground

(13:45):
balls that they're you know, not playing. They have to
go to first because they double pumped and can't get
a double play. And then you got four while pitches
last night too from Blake Snell at Gardo Enriquez had one,
Anthony Bonda had one. I mean, it was an absolute
mess out there all around. I mean, we're gonna hear
from Dave Roberts coming up next segment, and we're gonna
hear a lot of reaction postgame, and the common theme

(14:08):
is where the heck is our offense? And man, what
we had out there tonight, we gotta be way better
than that. Collectively from Blake Snell, who I mean, what
the heck has happened? To Snell Zilla, to the defense
which is absolutely falling apart. It feels like this team
the wheels are falling off here in late October.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
Yeah, and you know, there's a lot of things that
come come together in this Blake Snell's not been the
same in his last two starts. He's had trouble with
his with his control, and but believe me, the Blue
Chays are built for a team that's going to grind
him and make him throw strikes. When they do make
him throw strikes, they're ready to hit. I mean, first
three pitches, you had two homers. When they get in

(14:46):
the box, it seems like to me they're not taking pitches. No,
they're not gonna give you a you throw a cookie
down in the middle of the plate, they're gonna whack it.

Speaker 2 (14:54):
Okay, they're not. They're not up there taking pitches. Oh,
Dodgers are really good at that.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
By the way, yeah, well that's the way they are
that they The Dodgers' philosophy is to work the count,
and you know what, there's some good things to be
said about that at times, to work the count where
I'm down, get it in the bullpit. I get the philosophy.
But along with that, you take pitches and you miss
opportunities to drive the baseball. And I think first time up,
you can take a pitch. Other than that, there is

(15:19):
no leadoff hitter because he's gone. It's it's after the
first time up. I'm not taking anything, especially somebody that's
got good stuff like Ya Savage does. And as you
get deeper deeper into postseason, you have better pitchers. I'm
not giving these guys one strike, not ever. And if
you're not ready to hit, don't get in the box,
but get in there ready to be a Tiger.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
If they throw you a strike, you whack. That's the
way I think. Last night Trey Sevish absolutely dealed against
the Dodgers, and you do have to tip your cap
to him because he was really good. He struck out
twelve last night. The Dodgers' hitter seemed to be off balance,
couldn't figure out the fastball or the split finger or
the slider. He had everything work and he throws over
the top, little deceptive. That's great. You tip your cap

(16:03):
to the guy, but I don't think he's as dominant
as he looked last night. Overall. I mean, this guy
is on a heater right now, individually and certainly being
new and not having a lot of stuff on him
that has been that spark as you alluded to, that
X factor that has caught fire here in October and
been a difference maker. But I just just shake my head,

(16:24):
Steve at the fact that this group collectively is falling apart.
I mean, this is just uncharacteristic of a Dave Roberts
managed team. And I'm not saying it, Tim, I'm just
saying over the course of the last ten years and
this talent, this leadership on the field, on the mound,
at the plate, I mean just everything has gone wrong

(16:46):
at the right time, and in essence, you can say
the wrong time, because this is when they needed you to
playing their best and you're not getting great performances from
Blake Snell. You're not getting anything from the bullpen yet again,
and we kind of figure that. But the offense collectively.
I mean, during the season, we've seen this two or
three guys slump, hurt, and it's been all right. Freddie

(17:06):
Freeman for a two week bender, just carrying this offense.
You know, everything going right, and he hits. He's the guy.
He gets the big hits. It's one or two guys
at the bottom of the line all right, the big
four aren't doing it. Next thing, you know, the Dodgers
win a game, why because the seven eight nine hitters
win four for twelve and drove on all six runs.
There's always somebody there to pick up the flag and
carry them forward. There's always one or two guys that says,

(17:29):
all right, we'll be the guy tonight. But I don't
understand how collectively, one through nine all these guys aren't
collectively produced. I mean, there's not one guy in the
lineup last night that didn't strike out. Yeah, I mean,
you gotta be kidding me.

Speaker 5 (17:45):
That's the way it is. I mean, with the kind
of the way they're built. I mean, and the way
the philosophy is today with hitting is if you strike out,
oh well, you know, you might hit a home run
at the next five strikeouts in the middle of that,
you might get one home and we'll take that. I've
never bought into that. You know what tim if I was,
if I was, you know, younger today, if I was

(18:08):
playing in today's game, if I could transpose myself back
to when I was in my early twenties and playing,
I don't know. I don't know if I could play today.
I don't know if I would be a baseball player,
or if i'd even want to because the game is
so different now. It's still a great game, but but
I don't know if a team would want me. I mean,

(18:29):
you know, I wasn't a home run hitter, so that
puts a big damper on it. I didn't want to
hit home runs the I like the cat and mouse
part of the game. And you know, I was trying
to get two hundred hits a year and hit three
hundred and still forty bases. And I don't know if
that's good today. You know, it's better to you know,
hit home runs and strike out two hundred times. And
I didn't want to do that. If that's what I

(18:51):
had to do as a player, I probably wouldn't want
to play.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Well. Maybe the pendulum is swinging back now that the
Toronto Blue Jays one went away from winning a World Series,
and you would fit perfectly on this Toronto Blue Jays team.

Speaker 5 (19:03):
Well maybe some teams I could, but some teams not.
But you know what's the good about it. You don't
have to face your savage anymore. For the most part.
He's he's done and looking forward for the next two games.
I really like the starting pitchers of the Dodgers versus
you know what the Blue Jays are offering. It's it's
Yama Moto against Gosman. I'll take Yama Moto any day

(19:24):
of the week. And then it's gonna be Glass Now
against It's gonna be Glassnew plus everybody else against sures
Er plus everybody else. I like the Dodgers much better
than I like the Blue Days Blue Jays. In the
next two games, the pitching lineup for the really favors
the Dodgers because you're gonna get everybody that's available to pitch,

(19:44):
and that's probably everybody, even my maybe Yama Moto to
get one guy out.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
This is it.

Speaker 5 (19:49):
There's nothing more so if they If the Dodgers win tomorrow,
which I will take Yama Moto over over Gosman any
day of the week. Then it's Game seven, and I
would fully expect the Dodgers to win Game seven and
win the World Series. When you're looking at the starting pitcher,
which is the most important part, that's where all that's
where the straw stirs that drink. Yep, right there at

(20:11):
the starting pitching, the Dodgers have a huge advantage I
believe over the Blue Jays.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
I'm with you one thousand percent. They have better starting pitching.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
So the Dodger fans, I know it looks dire, but
let's look at the whole picture here. The starting pitching
from here on two more games, huge advantage for the Dodgers,
and that's the major part of the games. I'm with
you one thousand percent.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
I agree. The pitching is better. The offense is better,
and we've been saying that now for five games and
we're just not seeing it.

Speaker 5 (20:39):
Click yet and say you saw Yamamoto shove big time?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Yeah, big time. I don't know what's gonna take to
wake up this offense, though, I mean, what's gonna flip
the switch? Is it a play, is it a player?
Is it a hit? Is it a home run?

Speaker 6 (20:51):
Early?

Speaker 2 (20:51):
I mean, I don't know. You tell me what what
is it the sparks and offensive? Is it luck? I mean,
I don't understand what what triggers and untriggers this offense
and collectively.

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Part part of the whole thing is you got to
tip your cap to their side. I know we hate
to do that, but but this tray is savage. Is
is like a huge, huge, major surprise for the team.
Nobody saw this coming. Uh and the guy is just incredible.
I don't know, I don't know really how good he is.
Let's find out how he does once he goes around
the league. One time he only had three starts during

(21:21):
the regular season. Yeah, okay, so we but we know
how how fast his ascent was. It was meteoric. How
he went through the minor leagues and just eviscerated people.
So we'll see what happens now once he gets around
the league next year. But that's that's another day for
right now.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
You know he's done.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
So you get three games to two, and you you
kind of size up the matching of the pitchers. It's
it's no question who has the advantage, and we'll just
see what happens. I think that the pitching lineups is
gonna help the offense for the Dodgers much much more
because you're not gonna have to face that guy.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
You're gonna have to face.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
More, more, more guys that are mortal. I guess you'd say,
and facing guys like this and have him rookie get
up and ring one down in the corner, and then
the Dodgers get a rally early. That can spark a
team big time, can spark a team. Hey, we're back,
this is us and it's just at the right time.
So hold on your seats now. I can guarantee you

(22:15):
one thing. This thing is so far from over. It's
so far from over. Dodgers are gonna be the underdogs.
It's a good place to be. Although you'd rather be
up three to two, I get it, But they this
game is so far from over that you know if
they win, Dodgers win this game, and I expect them to.
With Yamamoto on the mountain, I expect them to dominate

(22:35):
Toronto in Game seven.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
The pitching is just so much better on LA's side.
Are you with Steve Sacks? Do you have the confidence
like sax he does? Eight sixty six, nine eighty seven
to two, five seventy eight, six six nine eight seven
two five seventy. Dodgers down three games to two in
this best of seven World Series. They fall to the
Blue Days last night, six to one, and now they
head north to Canada tomorrow night for Game six with

(23:00):
Yoshinobu Yamamoto on the mound eight six six nine eighty
seven two five seventy. Coming up, we'll hear from Dave Roberts,
We'll hear from Blake Snell. We'll hear from Key k Hernandez,
who was very outspoken after the game last night. We'll
get a preview Game six with David Vase as he
heads to Toronto. And last night also an end of
an era for Clayton Kershaw as he bids farewell to

(23:20):
Dodger Stadium. We'll get into that. Also, an interesting managerial
candidate down south in San Diego and he met for
like nine hours with management. We'll tell you who it
is and if it's a fit for the Padres. That's
all coming up, But most importantly, your phone calls eight
sixty six nine eight seven two five seventy Steve Sacks,
Tim kits on a Thursday morning, How you feeling. I

(23:44):
don't feel very good, but we got twenty four hours
to digest this, put it behind it, and get ready
for game six. We'll talk about it next with you
right here on scam on ANFI seventy Ili sports Sax
and Kate's in the am on this Thursday morning. Thanks

(24:06):
for being with us. Tim, you need a donut, Ah,
don't you need to relax more than a donut? Sax, Relax,
I sleep.

Speaker 5 (24:17):
This thing is so far from being over.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
It is a long ways from being over. I wish
I felt the optimism. I know you don't feel it.

Speaker 5 (24:27):
Look, look, look the most important what's the most important part,
especially down the stretch. You Savage put it on display yesterday.
It's pitching. Pitching is where it's at.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Man, we had Blake Snell going though, and he gave
up two home runs in three pitches.

Speaker 5 (24:40):
That's what I'm saying. That's my point. Okay, that's over
with now. Looking forward is the only thing that mounts.
You can't go back and change five games. Okay, it's
three to two. You're going to their park. If I
had to say, okay, who do you take in game six,
let's just parse them out individually.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Who do you take? And do you want? Gosman or
do you want yamam I want Yamamoto. I do too.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
I think it's it's not a done deal. It's not
doesn't mean it's going to happen. But I will take
Yamamoto and that this guy can shove. We know that,
and we've seen him do it against Osma. We've seen
it already. Okay, So if that happens, then you go
to Game seven. You got Glass now plus everybody else

(25:22):
against Scherzer, who didn't last long, plus everybody else. And
I'll take the Dodger matchup way more than I would
take the Toronto Blue Jay matchup. So that thing should
give some solace to the listenership here. Doesn't mean it's
going to happen. No, but but but that's a better

(25:43):
position to be in. Not that you have to win
two and the other team has to win one, but
the pitching matchups in and of themselves is a major
major advantage for the l A club.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
That's what gives me a little bit of hope. As
you detailed, they got better pitching. I mean things can
change quickly, yeah and boom, it can change it. I
just hope it changes because when it does, you're right,
it's gonna be a snowball effect the other way.

Speaker 5 (26:09):
Thirteen to two blowout in one game. One of those
things happening. Man Guerrero doesn't come to the plate and.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Hit as well. They're expected to do something. He got
more pressure on him. It doesn't do well.

Speaker 5 (26:18):
That Dodgers jump out to another early lead and pretty
soon they won both games.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
It could happen. It could absolutely happen. It just needs
to happen. I don't know when it's gonna happen, but
it needs to happen, and it needs to happen fast.
By the way, you're good, buddy Dallas Braden who you
work with on the a's broadcast of Dallas. I follow
him on Twitter and I actually said him a DM
trying to come on because he broke this down really good. Yeah,
he's very smart, that dude. He just broke down or

(26:42):
tray you. Savage's pitching Audians the last couple ones and
the games that he are teams he has faced multiple times,
and that would include Seattle in LA and he said
against the Dodgers he leaned on spin more than his fastball,
including the slider, which leaned on heavily. Yesterday and he
wrote fun fact of the seventeen strikeouts in the two

(27:05):
games against the Dodgers in the series, of the seventeen
strikeouts for Trey Savage, not one has come via the fastball. Wow,
it's been slighter and split finger. What can we read
anything into that? Like the Dodgers are guessing they can't
hit his spin. The spin is just too good. Like

(27:27):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
I mean, I don't think it's exclusive to the Dodgers.
I think it probably happens to a lot of teams
this way. Yeah, but if anybody can break it down
and we can get Dallas on, you know, I work
with him with the athletics crew during the season list
last year, and he is amazing. I love Dallas. He
can break it down as good as anybody. He's very,
very intelligent, and he can break this stuff down like

(27:48):
a you know, like he's a computer or something.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
This guy's really good at it. He says the Worth,
noting doubled and tripling of usage of the split finger
against the Mariners and Dodgers in the second time against them. Also,
Savage with the slider against La leaned on that and
spin more than the fastball, and that's when he dropped
the nugget about the seventeen strikeouts coming via aw speed

(28:10):
pitches with spin rather than fastballs. Hmm. Interesting, Well, we
have a full board of calls because, like you and
like me, Dodger fans are scratching their heads trying to
figure out what in the heck has happened these first
five games. So let's waste no more time. We'll hear
from the manager, Dave Roberts. Coming up, We're gonna get
all the reaction from the Dodgers from last night. You're
gonna hear from Blake Snell coming up at seven o'clock.

(28:32):
Also coming up, we're gonna get into the L word
because Blake Snell uses the L word about four times.
I think I counted four of them, and we'll count
them together coming up at seven o'clock. The L word
is luck. Can you used the L word yesterday? Remember
that you used it yesterday and I was like, look
come on, man, and then last night postgame, and you're
gonna hear it. Come up at seven o'clock. Blake Snell

(28:55):
used the L word multiple times and what happened last night?
To him? What has happened to this Dodgers team through
five games? But let's go out to the phones. Rick
and Sampedro start things off here on this Thursday morning,
as the Dodgers have their backs up against the wall.
Are you doing Rick, Good morning.

Speaker 7 (29:12):
I love your guys show up with You're on all
the time. Me too. Season, I watched every Dodger game.
I've been to twenty five games. I went to the
last three games, and I keep my own little statistic.
I don't think Major League keeps this stat but uh
it's not I didn't keep every game, but you kind
of look at I'm gonna use Otani t O Pa

(29:33):
has swing and miss strike three. Forty three percent of
those pitches are out of the zone. They're not even
near strikes. And uh that's and now the whole team
has it right. So and I agree with Steven it
can change at any time. But I mean, just so
many undisciplined swings and approaches and they got to change
that or it's over.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Yeah, thanks Rick, that we're talking. Yeah, thank you, Rick, Hey, Rick,
thanks for calling me. Steven.

Speaker 5 (29:59):
You know you're one of the first guys, first people
ever called me by my right name.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 7 (30:03):
And I saw you play your first game.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
That you were at you were at Steven's first game.

Speaker 7 (30:12):
I remember him. I mean he was like, man, this guy,
this guy's a player.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Wow, thank you Hey great U. I mean, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 7 (30:19):
Rick.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
I think we actually we should have a push like, uh,
you know, especially after the Dodgers win the World Series,
we need to push going out on social media. Uh,
Kate's needs his own show. I think that we need
to start pushing. Yeah, because he's phenomenal, is one of
the best hosts I've ever worked.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Well, thank you, guys. I'm not just blowing thank you,
Steve whatever you want. I mean, we're nine years in
the scam now and you're just now commented about Steven
versus Steve. Well that's what would you like me to
call you? I mean, now, nine years later, Steve or Steven?
Which what is it.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Listen, my friends and family and everyone's ever called me Steve, really,
but it's the only people in baseball and sports that
call me Steve. My friends and my family don't would
never say Steve.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
They say Steven. That's my name. So Tim, you call
me Steve. Okay, I gotta call you something besides Saxy,
because no, that's a good name. I'm not that is
a good name. I have been pull by multiple people
in my family. I've been pulled aside by them, including
daughters who have said, Dad, you gotta stop. It sounds

(31:29):
really weird when you call him Saxy on the air.
And I've been told by people here it's not like
radio station.

Speaker 5 (31:35):
Hey, but it's not like we're you know, you know,
Blake Snell and and and the David Vasse.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
That's true, that's true. I mean it's a it's a nickname, right,
It's like the old hockey. You add a y on it,
everybody's on it. Yeah, that's okay. I'm good with that.
You call me whatever you want, Tim. I appreciate that, Saxy,
Mark and Sam Piedro. Also Welcome to Saxon Kate's with
Steven Saxon, Tim Kates.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
How you doing, Tim morning, Saxy?

Speaker 7 (32:01):
Yeah, Mark, just a couple, just a couple of things.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
Obviously Potz has been a one trick pony. They sign
him out yesterday. I love Muki, but any possibility, maybe
Mickey Rowe might take shortstop with Muki. Uh, maybe sitting
bench and coming in as a pinch hitter. Also, do
you think last night, given that they won the marathon
game and trying to take advantage on three to two series,

(32:29):
maybe switching up Yamamoto last night and sell game six.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
Well, I don't think so, because you're talking about rest
for Yamamoto, and that's something that's more important, I think,
uh than anything is keeping that consistency. Now. Certainly when
you get to October, you've got to be able to
adjust and deviate a little bit. But if you can
get Yamamoto on his proper rest, I'd take that, figuring
that you know when he's on, he's on. Why mess

(32:53):
with something that's been actually your good point and you're
starting pitching this year, in this October run, I should say,
don't mess with that. And he has been fantastic. Here
here's a tweet for you, Saxy and a little a
little pushback says, this is from John says, I love
the optimism from Steve Sacks, but come on, Tim, the

(33:14):
absolute truth is, it doesn't matter who the Blue Jays pitch.
If the Dodgers can't hit, their averages for the World
Series are crap. Where's the situational hitting? Where is it
going the other way with a guy on third? It's
just pop up after pop up after groundouts.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
Well I'm not I think he's right. I would echo
those sentiments. But yeah, and overall, in a you know,
thirty thousand foot view looking down at this whole thing,
the teams are built completely different. There are two different teams.
They're structured differently, and you know, so we'll see you

(33:52):
who comes out to win. But I'll tell you what,
this thing is way far from being over, way far
by the way.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Drake, who everybody we can all agree dislike h Drake
the Rapper has trolled show hal O Tani and the
Dodgers with a gloating post after the Blue Jays one. Now,
Drake is from Canada, and not a lot of people
are fans of Drake in the United States because he

(34:20):
likes to push back and there's some beef always with
different folks, and there's the whole Kendrick Lamar Drake thing.
I'm just kind of getting up to I'm mister hip hop,
you know, so I'm just kind of getting you up
to speed there, Steve. Steve Drake posted on Instagram a
shot of show hel Tawny swinging and missing and his

(34:40):
helmet falling off as Trey Savage walks off the Mountain
after striking out show hal Tani last night, and he wrote,
savage already, otw to the dugout boss, laugh out loud. Now, Drake,
let me say something, my friend. Then be fighting words. Okay,

(35:00):
you go after the Unicorn, you go after LA, you
go after Dodgers. This is this is then be fighting words.
If I'm Dave Roberts, this is my rallying cry right here,
Drake going to social media and gutting after the Dodgers
and show Hey, o'd talking. I print this out. I
put it on every seat in the plane. I put
it in every hotel room, and I put it in

(35:21):
front of every locker. And this is the rallying cry.
Do it for America, do it for the Dodgers, and
do it for LA and just to get after Drake.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
Well, you know the thing about it is that it
Drake might be somebody that we think, after all this
is over, because you want to go out and poke
that bear, you want to poke a kind of like
a sleeping LA team. You want to poke them. I
wouldn't want to. I would let them just sit there
and kind of go to sleep until it's over, and
then then if they want to wake up.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
That's fine.

Speaker 5 (35:51):
But what Drake's doing is he's poking a real scary bear. Okay,
ask ask these other teams what this team was like
when they got healthy, when the pitching staff was full,
optimism shot through the roof, and the team won the division?
What four thirteen out of fourteen years?

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yep? You want to poke that bear? Go ahead? Yeah,
I mean they are the defending champions. I don't I
don't think you wanted to wake up this Dodgers team.
And if it's taking Drake to do it. They talk
about the Drake curse every team he represents or puts
a jersey on or tries to front run with, they
always lose. Call it the Drake remakeh And I am

(36:30):
more fired up than I have been about getting after
the blue.

Speaker 5 (36:34):
Do you're ticked off to Tim? I just I've seen
you in all kinds of lights, But you're ticked off.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
I am.

Speaker 5 (36:40):
There's a lot simmering underneath that that donut that you
just ate a few minutes ago.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
You're ticked You know what what I do during the
breaks is not anybody's business, dude, So what I had
a donut? Okay, oh, I knew it. I knew you did.
Who's in the studio today, Michelle's with me today? Okay,
I know no, no, but I I know no.

Speaker 5 (36:59):
I'm donut wise.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Who delivered it today? I know there's no Hortons, but
you have the Prince don it right, we have Dona
Prince Donuts. Okay, so you do have it today too.
We do it. We didn't do it? Yeah, I knew it.
Do they bring it in or did somebody get it? No,
somebody brought him in? Okay? A dozen? Uh? What's left
of a dozen? Yes?

Speaker 7 (37:16):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yeah, I love it. Okay, let'squeeze at another phone call
here and thank you for being patient. Stephanie in riverside, Stephanie,
we feel your pain, how you feel this morning? And
can we all agree now that Drake needs to go down.
We need to do this to inspite of Drake.

Speaker 8 (37:34):
Yes, we do. You know, from the game on Monday
night eating to Tuesday, I thought they would have good momentum,
they would win Tuesday's game an yesterday game, but that
didn't happen, So we need to move forward. I feel
good about Yamamoto pitching on this Friday, but these bats

(37:55):
need to wake up. Duo die the backs against the wall.
They need to wake up and get this win.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
How do they wake up, Steffanie, How do they wake
up these bats? How do they do this? What's the trick?

Speaker 8 (38:05):
What's they get in that batting cage or open their eyes?
Great lasts, I don't know. They need to focus and concentrate.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
There you go, There you go. Stefinitely appreciate it. I
think it's a little bit more complex than that. But
uh yeah, they gotta do something, Steve. They gotta figure
this out. They gotta figure it out fast because they
got a game tomorrow night at Rogers Center. They flew overnight.
They're gonna have a workout later on today. Hopefully a
day off is a good thing for this Dodgers team.
And a lot of people push him back on Game

(38:39):
three and that eighteen inning win over the Blue Jay
something we'll get into as well, that that may have
backfired against the Dodgers because of their age and how
many guys over the age of thirty they have that Nope,
they couldn't rebound. So we'll get into that. I'll get
to more phone calls coming up. We'll hear from the
manager Dave Roberts. Lots to get to and we want
you to be a part of an eight six, six

(38:59):
ninety two, five to seventy. The Dodgers are down but
not out, down three to two in this best of
seven series Game six tomorrow. This is scam on NFI
seventy Light Sports, Sax and Kates on this Thursday morning,

(39:20):
October thirtieth. Thanks for being with us here on a
five to seventy LA sports as we get ready for
the Dodgers Game six tomorrow night in Toronto. Down three
games to two, Dodgers now one loss away from losing
the World Series. After losing to the Blue Jays last
night six to one. Trey U seven with twelve strikeouts.

(39:41):
He really shut down the Dodgers, who offensively are really
struggling against this uh Toronto Blue Jays pitching staff, and
offensively the Dodgers just three hits from rookie Bets in
twenty three at bats with no RBIs. It has been
a tough go for this Dodgers offense in this World Series.

(40:01):
Despite winning two games of the first five, the Dodgers
down three games to two Saxy, and it gets even
worse now with Drake really going and taunting the Dodgers
it's you know, it's something you really hate to see,
and I think we can all use it as a
rally and cry.

Speaker 5 (40:13):
Yeah maybe thinking maybe thinking Drake, you know, he wants people,
Maybe he wants people to see an upsurge and people
going to buy his records or whatever, because that's probably
not going real good. But I think to to sit
there and poke the bear and say that this team
has not got a chance to win it and making
fun how do you make fun of show Hey O Tonic.

(40:36):
I just don't get that one. That's that's not that's
not a good rallying cry right there. That's gonna rally
cry the Dodger and all those people that are pulling
for LA to win this thing, not the other way around.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah. He posted two pictures, one of show Hey O
tanis striking out and then the other pictures show Hey
in a promotional photo, and he wrote one more in
referencing the Blue Jays one win away from when the
world this guy just shows up like well relevant, he's
he's a pretty big you know, musician, rapper, but he's

(41:08):
a front runner. And he's also a guy that teams
don't want them backing them because he's a loser as
far as you know, team said he supports. He's a curse.
They call it the Drake curse, and so hopefully the
curse continues with this. Drake's you know, supporting his hometown
Toronto Blue Jays, because I think he tried to. He's

(41:30):
supported the Maple Leafs either last year or the year
before and it didn't turn out well, did not turn
out well turn out And he does that in the
NBA too. He also is a front runner for a
different team. So okay, let's let's hope this backfires on him.
This is a good thing for the Dodgers. But coming
up to the top of the hour, we'll get in
more to the l word luck that Blake snell through

(41:51):
around last night postgame after the Dodgers lost to the
Toronto Blue Jays. Marcus and Pomona. Welcome to Saxon Kates
and am here on this Wednesday, Thursday morning. Hey do
Marcus pretty good?

Speaker 6 (42:01):
How are you guys doing doing good?

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Hey Marcus, I just got.

Speaker 4 (42:06):
A couple things to say. I kind of felt like
we were in trouble before the series started, just because
every time I go on the radio on the five
seventy Daves, I say, always tried to downplay our team
that we're playing against, and was trying to talk about
how the Blue Jays it's gonna be a quick series
or they weren't that good, and how he always tried
to hype up Blake's now to be the greatest picture ever,
and every time he does that, he throws duds and

(42:28):
then we end up losing the series. He did the
same thing in twenty twenty three with the Diamondbacks, talking
about all that's going to be a quick sleep and
Dodgers got swept themselves.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
Well, I don't blame Dave for anything. Dave's right in
that Blake Snell is really good and backing Blake Snell
is always a good thing when he's one of the
best pitchers in baseball. Unfortunately, he has just not had
good fortune the last two starts here in the World Series.
Now we'll get into that, is lot being lucky or unlucky?
I don't know. We'll dive that into that after the

(42:57):
top of the hour. But there's no there's no pointing
the finger at David Masse. Come on, no, get out
of here with not at all one in downy, Thanks
for being patient. You're next up with Sax and Kate
today and how you doing one?

Speaker 6 (43:10):
Good morning, my ronalds. Hope you guys are having a
good one. To the guy that just called from blame
David that guy. That guys are good, that Dave is good.
But quick questions and make quick quick questions. See what
you gotta say. I really feel that we have another
positive side by going back to Toronto. You know what that

(43:33):
is their fans. Their fans are gonna pump our players
because our fans can do it. Our fans have been
They've been shut down for I don't know what's wrong.
They're too busy doing TikTok's or Instagram videos, whatever they're doing.
But let our fans feed off Toronto fans because those
fans they don't shut up. And I hope our players
when they go out that they hear all this pump

(43:55):
and all this stuff that they're gonna be saying to them,
and hopefully that pumps that up because our cloud it's
hard to blame. I cannot blame our cropper taking the party.
I think I really think they took our players out
of the game because there was a double play that
Blake Snell hit last night and the crowd was quiet.

Speaker 7 (44:12):
It's like, what they all do?

Speaker 6 (44:13):
Our picture just got a line drive back at him,
turned around through the second and nobody cheers, like what
the hell? Like, guys, wake up fans, Like so, I'm
really hoping that these fans into Toronto fans. Are you
guys are listening to this, Please talk all the smack
to our players top smack, say that you guys don't
need Otani because guess what, you guys, we need him.

(44:34):
Let him pump up. I hope somebody translate to Otani
what the fans are saying to them, thank you, because
we need that. We really need are fans guys do
I'm hearing it on the radio. I'm hearing it from
day I'm hearing it on the TV announced today it's
we might as well play well stags with Donald. Let's
just invite the opposing team fans to come to our

(44:56):
dodge games because our fans suck. I mean, I got
my neighbor, my neighbor, I can hear them screen through
in the game, like and I can hear fans down
the street. I can hear my people blowing the fireworks
down my street when we hit something when we do something,
but not at Dodger Stadium. I don't know what's up
with those fans, but man, those fans really hopefully.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Yeah, I appreciate though one it's it's been talked about
a little bit, and I don't know how much the
fans being loud or not loud plays into it. Steve,
I mean, certainly we I don't ever blame the fans,
you know, and and and that's not what it's about.
But they only time I think of fans get into
it as far as helping things is they can take
it to another level, right. I mean, the players have

(45:38):
to do what they do on the field, but the
fans that can elevate it to another level, they can't.
They can't start guys rallying or get momentum. The players
start the momentum, and you can just help build it
like a wave, like a support ye support, Yes, exactly.
And I will agree.

Speaker 5 (45:56):
With one on one thing, certainly, not about the fans
at Dodger saying I think they're the best fans. Uh.
But you know when you go to an opposing park
and the opposing fans think that that you're getting by
getting on the opposing players to that it's helping your team,
it actually helps the opposing team when you have all
that attention going on, guys like Otanmi and Tascar, Hernandez

(46:18):
and whatnot. That helps the Dodgers because they feed off
of that.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
They know.

Speaker 5 (46:22):
Remember, nobody boozs to nobody, and they know that if
you're getting booed or if they're on you, that they're
fearing you, that they have respect for you because you
know that they know that you can hurt their team.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
So that's why they do it, and players thrive on that.
I got some great news for everybody, and this is
sort of a surprise this morning, and it's a pleasant
surprise and hopefully it's the start of a good day
and some positive things now moving forward for the Dodgers.
The last three days we've been doing YouTube right saxee
and it's been phenomenal. Yeah and great. We weren't scheduled

(46:54):
to do YouTube moving forward, but Waco from our digital
team here in our video team said, you know what
I'm coming in. We got to keep this going. We
got to get this momentum continuing here with the Dodgers.
So coming up after the top of the hour, we
will be back on YouTube and Facebook streaming live as
well as here on NFI seventy LA Sports. So good

(47:15):
news for all of you out there. You can't continue
to watch on YouTube, We're bringing it back today and
tomorrow as the Dodgers need all the support they can get.
Right now, we'll come back more of your phone calls.
We're gonna hear from Blake Snell on the L word.
Look that's coming up, Steve Sacks, Tim Katson, you on
this Thursday morning. Thanks for being with us on an

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