NBA Roundtable on Donovan Mitchell, Lakers Coaching jobs, Jokic MVP...

FnA Podcast with Kevin Figgers and Adam Auslund + Brie Brie. Bob Schmidt and Erik Sklar join the show to talk NBA playoffs, Spida sweepstakes, Lakers coaching vacancy, Bronny, make the case and more. 

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young guys really at the top oftheir games. The two of them had
something in common. We bring youradio ecstasy. Oh it's beautiful broadcasting live
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This is the FNA podcast. Welcomeinto the fn A Podcast. On a

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Thursday, on a back that assup, throw that ass back Thursday.
I'm out a Mosland and we gotbig Papa k Pig in the house.
Thank you, congratulation again, appreciateit, Thank you Adam. Much appreciated.

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And not getting a lot of sleep, but it's all right, still
running a bit of adrenaline. SoI know a couple of you were tweeting
and asking what happened to the show? You lazy assholes and just slacked off,
disappeared off the face of the earth. I didn't say anything, baby,
Yeah, minor life change. Youknow happened? I got sick.
I mean that's not well. Yeah, I mean Adam was on the precipice

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of death. You know. Fredstill wanted me to come in studio.
I tried to tell you if I'mmis sick from this at your advanced days,
I mean, with this flu orwhatever. But then fretz always he
said, then I'll talk to adhim on the air or on the phone.
He was like, oh my god. He sounded like he was half
dead. And I was like,yeah, change the mind, didn't you.

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I might have melked it a littlewhile, did you? They went
to me. I was like,yeah, gosh, how you doing it?
Yeah you did. You did theold Willie Wonker. Then once you
hung up the phone, you hither front flip and skipped out to the
gym. Know what happened? Now? I want to ask you something because
you're in a unique position now tospeak to uh something I've always wondered about.

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Maybe this could be a geek newssegment at some point. Have you
had a chance to get a workoutin since becoming a dad to see if
there's any that extra dad strength?Kevin So the dad strength. So after
he was born, I didn't goto the gym for about eight days or
so. So then I got backinto the gym. And you know,
if you're out for a week orso, sometimes you might lose a little

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bit. It might take two weeksto get back to where you were.
The diet goes a little bit,you're off of your routine some. So
I didn't go in and try togo ham as much as I possibly could.
I tried to ease myself back intoit. Okay, so after I've
been back, it's probably been anothereleven days. Since then, I'm kind
of back to where I was.All Right, So the extra dad strength
where I'm actually lifting the base ofthe gym off of the floor, off

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of its foundation and throwing it acrossthe freeway, I haven't quite gotten there
yet. Carlin Buick's will come,Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. I
just want to rest of this situationand continue to monitor it. Yeah.
Now, one thing that has kickedin is the dad reflex. Well you've
heard of the dad reflex, rightwhere all of a sudden, you know
you sense danger going towards the baby, but you don't even see it,
but you just react to it kindof Yeah, my son was laying there,

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I feel exactly what I think.One of his bottles was sitting on
the table and it was almost gettingready to top over, and it wasn't
really close to him, it wouldn'thave hit him, but even still,
it was one of those that tippedover. I reached without even looking it
just kind of snagged it out ofthe air, and my wife was like,
what the hell was that? Iwas like, I don't know that
catch radious, but you've see youprobably if you are on are online at
all, Instagram or Twitter or whatever, you've probably seen some of these videos

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are like, you know, akid is, you know, running into
the street and a dad unbeknows he'slike looking in a different direction all of
a sudden just darts and grabs himor whatever. He's got the radar.
Yeah, the radar does go up. So the dad radar, the dad
despite the dad Spidey sense, whateveryou want to call it, definitely a
thing that's awesome. All right,Well, congratulations once again appreciated. Fingers

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is back. He is now afire out there. The show is going
to be changed forever because of this. Why not? Hell? So,
uh, you know, we'll figurethat out, the that straight stuff the
segment. Yeah, maybe you canprotect me more now too. Maybe like
you'll sense Adam's going down a darkpath and some of this sports talk topic
that he's getting into, and you'llbe like, okay, let's just cut

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this off at the past. Well, I'll probably say if they're older now,
I'll probably just have to have likean old school like family matter sit
down and we'll have like the littlemusic. Come on, We'll see,
Adam, this is what happens whenwe make the wrong decision. Yeah.
I only want what's best for youin your future. The more you know,
yeah, exactly. So it's probablygonna be one more one of those
Gee Joe all right joining us instudio right now. Ah. Yes,

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one of our favorites is Eric Sklaw. I don't think we've talked to him.
To the Lakers got their asses whippedagain. The Duke of sports.
Some come the Duchie of sports.It's not I haven't heard. I haven't
heard that. Who are those people? I don't know? Are those are
those people wearing an Oregon hat anda Chargers lanyard? Are you like on
the Justin Herbert bandwagon right now?That was going on the Oregon had for

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a long time. The Orgon hatyou have is like brown. It's browning
like the leaves and the fall organfresh out of a similar yellow Oregon hat
that I wore into the ground tenyears ago. Now the duck just delivered
that one to you this morning.That one is spiffy. That's true.
It's not even been a contour toyour head yet. You had the stork

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delivering you something. I had theduck delivering me this hat because I just
wanted to freshen it up a littlebit. I like the yellow. It
looks like a Huey Dewey and Louisduct tails type of thing. And uh,
you know, I thought they mighthave had a chance to get to
the championship last year, but unfortunatelythey kept losing to Washington as the PAC

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twelve does. You know. ThenPAC twelve teases you that, you know,
to get Washington all the way tothe championship game, but then they
get their asses handed to them there, So there you go, and now
they're the pack too exactly. Souh yeah, I have my organ hat
on. I'm representing them slightly andbeen there once. And the charge there
say that the Panthers don't get asingle primetime game, and all of a

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sudden, Adam's repping the Chargers.Now, is that what it is?
It's not what it is to Germany. I don't even think Justin Herbert was
going to be good, you knowthis. I didn't think it'd be anything
like this. Are you going togo to Germany for the Giants game?
Is that where the Panthers are playinga game? Oh? Yeah? They
should stay there. They should bethe first team. They should be the
first team to be uh stationed inNFL Europe and actually play some of those

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old teams from the NFL Europeans.If the Planters play a football game,
will anybody notice? It's like ifa tree falls in the forest. You
know, I've talked about this withthis new ownership group, with this crazy
guy wilding out and throwing drinks inthe faces of fans. Didn't he threaten
a restaurant too? It happened.This is gonna be thirty years of pain

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for the Panthers. They're the newLions, than the new Raiders, They're
the new Browns. It's going tobe that bad for them. And obviously
no pick this season because we usedone last year on Bryce Young. That's
what I said, was dog shit. He's shorter than Doug Flutie. He
really is speaking Chargers. Yes,yeah, for a little bit. Things

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are looking up for you, arethey? The Clippers are out, The
Giants are getting their ass kicked everynight by the Dodgers. They won last
night? Yeah, did they?Adams already checked. They had no idea.
I asked some of my cousins upnorth, big time San Francisco Giants
fans over under four and a halfwins versus the Dodgers this season? Well,

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they got one. How many moregames do they have against them?
Because they're playing less games against yourdivision? Now, because you play everyone
in Major League Baseball, you getthe round robin effect. Now, if
they're only playing fifteen games against themthis season, I think four and a
half is an decent over under.I would take the under, though,
I would take the under they're gonnakeep losening to the Dodgers. I would

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say, we are getting off track. I'm sorry, we're here. The
Ducal Sports is here for our NBAroundtable, and a special guest also just
walked in. Who I mean talkingabout confused? So Adams wearing the Oregon
hat. Yeah, I got misterSyracuse basketball over here. Bob Schmid walks
in with the Michigan State hat.What's going on? My daddy went there,
That's all it is. You know, that's fine. The legacy.

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The legacy goes on Daddy different timesin the in the tournament. Is that
well? Also, the Bills draftedColeman, who did sure get on board?
There's a connection, I'll take it. Are they current spartans playing for
the Calves or played for the Calveswho are no longer playing either? Draymond
that's a sore spot. There's gonnabe many of them between the Cavaliers and

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the Lakers in this podcast. Solet's joyeah. Sure, a few gymnasts
getting lested dreams. She just gotto overlook some things. What a way
to kick off, exactly. Allright, let's go first time, all
in person. It's time for theNBA Roundtable on the f NA podcast with

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Bob Schmidt. Let's start with themost recent team to go fishing. I
do want to say that was aLA Clippers, good job, good effort,
everybody's injured type of performance in thatseries. Yeah, I thought I
was gonna I mean, last nightended, I felt good, and then

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within minutes of the game ending,Shaan's just wrecked my world. Wait,
I didn't see shut It doesn't endwith Mitchell. It's literally Altman and JB.
Bickerstaff are at odds. Donovan Mitchellveiled. You didn't say Mitchell directly,
but he said teammates were upset thatJared Allen didn't take an injection to

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play through the pain. Darius Garland, if they retain Mitchell, he'll want
to get a trade of Rich Paul'sgoing to talk to the Calves about possibly
trade him. I mean literally,it was just spraying shots across the roster
pretty much everybody, even Mobley.They even had a quote in there that
before he was drafted by the Calves, his agent told the Calves not to
draft him. Wow. Did MarcusMorris come out unscathed? He did?

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And that's the other three. Hedropped twenty your boy, his season high.
He could not miss a shot.I mean, to lose a game
like that and have Marcus Morris bethe hero outside of Evan Mobley, it's
just my world. I'm sure downGod, but I mean I do feel
kind of the way that you said, for the most part, it just

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you because the injuries happened so earlyin the playoffs, you kind of come
to terms with, okay, we'reon borrowed time, and then by the
time you get to game seven,if you have no Alan, no Mitchell,
no Avert. I was just amazedthey were even in that game.
So with his career high, yes, well not his career high. His
career high's thirty eight, but playoffcareer high. Yeah, okay, okay,

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take that. So I was contemptstake that. Everybody was saying,
well, it's the most popular storywas drafted. Of course, needs to
develop more. Also, I mean, the thing is too Mobley was put
in a position where all the critiquespeople give of him when he's expected to

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play the power forward, they nolonger care about them so long as he's
given the designated center position, becauseit's not he didn't make a single three
last night. In those thirty threepoints. He scored eight baskets in a
row in the third quarter that wereall dunks or little hook shots, but
nobody cares about range them. It'sonly because they're they're looking at the position

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that he's considered a starter in andsaying, well, you have to be
able to space the floor more,which you know, some people feel that
way, some don't. But Ithink if there is one positive and a
loss here, it's that Alan beforehis injury was an absolute monster in the
playoffs, and then when he didgo down, Evan Mobley got significant run
where he was where we got tosee can he hold up is a five?

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And he did. Great. Youguys show toughness. You showed Grid
out there after what happened last yeargetting punked by the Knicks, just competing
against Boston, with all those guysbeing out, it felt like they flipped
the script, the narrative on thetype of DNA they had in them.
Well, and that's what I washoping, That's what I was feeling in
the immediate aftermath of the game.Was at least I don't have to sit
through that. Your team is fullof Pussy's narrative for a whole summer,

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and then Shams drops that thing andI'm like, well, right back in
hell, yeah, you know,right. Five minutes after every single team
has been eliminated in the playoffs,there's a hit piece coming out from the
athletic and Champ Strong. Remember howFrank Vogel got fired. Vogel writ's an
article about you, and he saysthey're considering there, You're as good as

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done pretty much. So JB's outthe door too. At least we don't
have to wait around to see,like, well, did this second round
performance against the Celtics by him anotheryear? No, it's it's painully obvious.
So if the pick is either DonovanMitchell, who could be up after
next year, or Darius Garland orDonovan Mitchell, I think so too,
right, But I mean he alsohas to play ball. He has to
be willing to sign an extension,right if he's not. The decisions made

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for you. But to me,like I would even let him shadow manage
us without a full commitment yet justbecause I got good. Well, yeah,
the gap between how we performed whenDonovan was out there in the absence
of Darius versus you saw last night. I mean, despite a season high
from Marcus Morris and a career playoffhigh from Evan Mobley, Darius Garland was

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four to seventeen, and over thelast two games from outside the arc,
he's four of seventeen. You can'twin situations like that, where if Donovan
Mitchell is out. You don't havethe luxury of a max contract guy like
Garland being able to lay a stinkerand then have a good one, and
then a stinker and have a goodone. He was the guy that still
looked a little bit shook and thelights were a little bit too bright for

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him still in these playoffs. Thisseason has been, by all objective measures,
a serious step backwards for Darius Garlett. And you can attribute it to
whatever you want. He had thebroken jaw and all that, and some
people will say that it's, youknow, his grandmother died or blah blah
blah. But it shouldn't mean thathe stops making shots, and it shouldn't
mean that all of a sudden hecan never get to the rim successfully.

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You had thirty eight year old AlHorford sending his shit packing time and time
again last night. Yeah yikes.Yeah, unless his grandma was Larry Johnson
dressed up as grandma. He's thinkingabout it playing basketball every time. It
doesn't make a lot of sense.So as Donavan Mitchell back on the table
for a certain team in Los Angelesmake a run at the stories won't go
away. But Mitchell, but thething is I'll speak specifically. I just

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did a massively long podcast on thiswith another in the clip because I'm so
angry, but but I had.When it comes to the Heat and the
Lakers, it's really just a battleof toilet offers, and they think that
they have leverage in a scenario wherethey really don't. Hey, Clippers,
he's got a lot of toilets,Well what about the mats? The nuts

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conceivably could get to cap space.But in order for that to happen,
they have to let Claxton walk.They have to not extend Cam Thomas,
not extend Dayron Sharp. They haveto hope that Dorian Finney Smith takes his
player option and leaves for no money, because if they if they push any
of those contracts forward, they nolonger have the leverage of being able to

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say, well, we can carveout max contract space for Mitchell, because
Mitchell, if you want him towalk into unused cap space, you're looking
at four years, two hundred million, you're looking at fifty million you have
to carve out. Realistically, themarket for a guy like Claxton is twenty
million on the base, I wouldguess, And when you compound that with

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McHale and Cam Johnson who are alreadylocked up for somewhere in the neighborhood of
forty seven million collectively, Like you'redancing on that threshold of Okay, that's
three guys and we barely have overthat now. It's too many hoops to
jump in. Yeah, the amountof per you have to do. And
that's the thing people are always like, well, he'll leave for nothing.
We've all witnessed a million free agencies. The teams that generally have cap space

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fucking stink on ice like they're not. They have the space for a reason.
Nobody ever signs there no the onlyway it works. Here's the teams
I think should be more realistically bandingabout, as you know, bludgeons against
the Caps. It's not teams likethe Lakers and the Heat. I mean,
there's a chance the Heat are inthe second apron, which prevents you
from aggregating smaller salaries for one bigone anyway, so they might not even

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be able legally to do it.But when you if I'm looking at teams
that you would be worried about,I'd be much more concerned about squads like
the Spurs. Say, where you'vegot like a generational talent, but he's
still on a rookie deal, somaybe you could slot in a guy like
that. I think they're going togo after Tree young, but well no,
I think they're going to address alot of that and spend some money
this summer anyway. But but mypoint is more the idea that you need

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to worry about teams like Miami andthe Lakers. It's like, all you
really need when you get to theend of this, even if Donovan puts
a complete gun to your head andsays, I'm not coming back here and
if you don't trade me where Iwant to go, I'll go to Detroit.
Even if he does that, thenall you need is two teams bidding
against one another. Like this ideathat, oh, we'll be able to

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throw you two first round picks inAustin breeze, It's like, that's you'll
be able to more than that.Well, it'd be filler. Whatever the
Lakers can throw at them, theycan get a better deal, I think
is the greater point. I thinkthat's what I bet on. I'm not
gonna I obviously can't guarantee it,sure, but this idea that like when
it comes to the heat, they'llbe like, well, we can't.
We're just gonna give you a hero. No Hawka, It's like, all
right, if you believe that thebar is going to be that low.

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That's what the Knicks thought when theywere bidding on Mitchell. They thought there
was no other bidders who could rivalwhat they did. And what happened Hubris
bit him in the ass, likethat's I'm I'm of the mindset that it's
like let it roll, you know, Yeah, could he walk away,
sure, but his options are goingto be so bad to actually do that.
They trust that somebody is going toneed you to help facilitate a deal,

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even if you can see that,Okay, we got to get him
out of here. He doesn't wantto be here. It's so hard these
days with the salary cap restrictions forteams to be able to bring someone in
and not do it through a trade. And I wanted to make that point
because I did talk about this onmy pot but this is a different audience.
I was looking at who who madean access of twenty eight million dollars

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over the last five years has walkedinto open cap space And there's only three
guys one of which why yes KDno KD was a sign in Brooklyn,
KD was Irine, Kyrie and Kawhiwere the same summer twenty nineteen. The
next time it happened was last year, the Fred Van Fleet signing. So
forgot just this idea that there's thishistorical precedent of, oh, there's big

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market, got big money, bigticket guys who walk into cass space.
It almost never happens ninety percent ofthe time you're looking at signing trades.
So I'm not saying he can't leave. Absolutely there's the possibility, but this
idea that I just hate when fanbases, sorry Sclark, when fan bases
like the Lakers or Heat'll say,well, he's gonna come to us for
nothing. I'm not saying he's gonnacomfordn't say that, But there's people who

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actually believe. Because they don't theydon't want to be bothered with the you
know, the data and the numbersand stuff. They don't want to go
that far. They just want toprop up this, not want to be
a Laker. It's that mentality.They do have three first round picks available,
they're gonna be able to trade ifthey did two of those with Austin
Reeves and Ruyatrama. I think it'sdone. I mean, well, so

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realistically, a lot of the packagesthat I've seen talked about of just people
trying to throw it all together.It's been Rui, Austin either or Jalen
Houschafino or Gabe Vincent and then thethree first round picks. Right, So
let me give you three ones I'veheard, and you tell me which one
you'd prefer, and if one standway out above the others, your package

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that you just alluded to. Nicepackage. Let's say let's say there's one
that's Tyler Hero and three first roundpicks or alternatively, Tyler Hero Hawkes two
first round picks. Which one ofthose two would you take? That's tough
because so they're somewhat similar to Waynewhere those first round picks could lay it.

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I'm trying. So one of them, which is always one of them,
is always out of the discussion whenit comes to that too. One
of them is automatically number seventeen thisdraft, right, and then the twenty
nine to thirty. Are we goingoff the assumption that those are what unprotected
first protected? First? Yeah,And I mean realistically, you're you're gonna

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have to throw in a couple ofpick swaps too, because you can't trade
back to back first round picks.Well, and my concern with this whole
thing is, first, I wantto say this, If you ask me
to choose between Hero and Reeves,I'm taking Reeves because of the contract.
Yeah ten days out of ten,So in that regard, I give it
to the last I got Hawke ason a rook you deal too, but
As and Hero together that makes ita little dicier because Hawk has has that

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cost control for a long time andthe rights where he can't walk away,
whereas Reeves is already on his seconddeal. Right. The other thing I
would say when it comes to pixesand this is a this is a sore
spot for me. On the otherend of this is the Calves thinking of
what do the Cavs want? Isthat this idea that the Calves are gonna
come off Donovan Mitchell and tear downand just be focused on the picks.

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I think the picks are almost secondary, so long as you can balance it
out. Okay, they're going togive us two. This team is going
to give us two. Yeah,maybe they don't work out the same.
I don't think that's what they're goingto fixate on. I think they're going
to look at we've got a shitloadof money tied up in Alan, Mobley
and Garland. What can we putin here? Those that timeline are ready
to go to play. Well,now I agree with that. If I'm

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the Cleveland Cavaliers, I'm not makinga move till the trade deadline. I'm
not making a move this summer becauseyou're gonna be able to get the exact
same deal with the trade deadline andmaybe more one thousand percent. And that's
the thing. I know. There'san urgency people feel when it comes up
on the end of the contract.But the value in Donovan Mitchell, whether
he wants to be there or not, is the bird rights, and those

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last until the very end of thecontract, and even after he's a free
agent, they can still sign andtrade him. It's more complicated because of
all these apron rules at that point. But this idea that I just hope
that they don't. I hope theycan remove themselves from the general panic that
Cleveland Cavs fans feel about everything,or Cleveland fans in general, and recognize

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that the way the CBA is structured, it's not this urgent. Even if
he vocally says I don't want tobe here, it's all they need.
It's just two parties bidding against oneanother, and it'll all be fine.
This is this is about to bethe first year the second Apron tax kicks
in, right, Yeah, startthis past season? Yeah? Yeah.
Can we move on from that dumpsterfire? Let's go to the Lakers dumpster

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fire and talk about their head coachingposition still being vacant at this point.
Oh, who's the guy You're goingto be racing the candidates here in a
moment exactly? Now you got morecompetition. Yeah, yeah, you gotta
make a decision. Listen, hemight be the guy that I want.
Of all the names I've heard sofar, I'll take JB. Bickerstaff.
Yeah. At least he's not afirst time head coach. Yeah, has
some success. I mean, realistically, I'm not thrilled about any of the

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names that are being thrown about.You don't like JJ Redick. It's not
that I'm Yeah, there's too muchof an unknown. I don't think he'd
be able to stand up to Lebronno matter how many podcasts they do together.
It would almost be like Lebron isthe head coach. Yeahot last week,
Yeah it's yeah, Virens Scott saidlast week, I was like,
Lebron's basically the coach anyway. Ithas been for years for a guy who

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was a head coach no less thanten years ago to say that, Abe,
That's the way I felt. Imean, if there's one situation jb
maybe can survive his inefficiencies on offense, it's in a situation where he's not
dictating the offense anyway. Yeah,maybe he could bring that defensive sway.
But Brego I mean, and someof the other guys are just like yeah,

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I mean, Mike and Nor Iwould love for that to actually happen.
But then again, it's a firsttime head coach, so you have
to weigh that for fifteen years.Well, Christ, he's on the court
side right now. Quinn is theguy too, who Lebron was in Miami
with, who a lot of peoplelike and has been on the precipice for
years too. He's another guy.Thank you for making my point about Nori
Adam. I was my point wouldbe wisely on the sidelines is the second

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guy for fifteen years. You know, why didn't he why didn't he chop
the first game? And keV yousaid, you named James Barrego and he
comes from the Popovich tree. Butthe problems in Charlotte was he couldn't get
respect from the players. And ifyou can't get respect from that group of
guys, you're not going to getrespect from Lebron James and Anthony Davis.

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And I mean the one name thatintrigued me as far as an assistant and
former player was Sam Cassell. Andbecause he's got tons of experience on the
bench, former player, who Ithink he's not a great communicator, right,
I had heard that's the one thingthat well, his name always pops
up. But he's probably likely notgoing to be a head coach because once

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you get into the interview process andthey started vetting him and getting through it,
it's like it's just not going tobe a good fit with him being
a he can go be a goodassistant. Yeah, he's just a head
coach material. He's been behind DocRivers for a long time. I saw
I saw there were some rumblings aboutChauncey maybe being on the hot seat in
Portland. Yeah, so I don'tknow. I don't know about that,
but he's done a horrible job.He's had so much to work with the

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head The head coaching market is soterrible right now, and that's not necessarily
a bad thing for the league becauseit means there's a lot of good coaches
in the league that are coaching forteams. But it sucks for the Lakers
right now because there's a sense ofurgency for the team of this window with
Lebron James especially is closing quicker,and obviously the window with ad is open
a little bit wider. But theyneed somebody to coach the team to a

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championship in the next two years tosatisfy Lebron's needs. Who do you think
the best guy would be for BronnieJames? Who do you think the best
I don't think Brownie James is goingto be a Laker, so that doesn't
really matter to me. Yeah,how did you guys feel about seeing some
of the draft combine stuff with himand all the talk of well he's not
even six' four, he's six'one or whatever. I mean, it's

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how I fought before I saw himplay at USC Like I mean, the
guy was averaging four points again andgood. It's great that he's healthy.
So he came back from the heartattack. He almost died. It's terrible
a situation, but he was ableto come back and able to play.
But this is what people have beentalking about for years, even going back
to high school. They were like, at best, he's a rotational guard
at the NBA level that can bea three n D guy who's tough and

(26:37):
gritty. This idea that because he'sLebron's son and all of a sudden,
he's going to be a superstar,and Lebron tweets out he's better than all
these other trash NBA role players,which is like one of the worst things
he could have done for Bronnie.It was totally ridiculous, And now it
just it bears itself itself out morethat you can actually see it with him
against actual NBA level competition guys atthe combine, it makes him look well,
you can criticize that move now byLebron saying that because your father,

(27:02):
that's a fair game. I happento think it's pretty admirable that, you
know, you never saw Michael Jordanbe able to NEPO baby his kid into
the NBA. It speaks to Lebron'sincredible power. Michael probably told his kid
that he was trash, he wasnever gonna be anything motivation, he said,
kids, my kid. But asfar as as far as Brownnie goes,

(27:26):
do I think, and this ismy thought, with a lot of
kids of NBA players, they're nottrained to be high school basketball players and
college basketball players. They're trained likeNBA players. They're trained to play the
NBA style of game. Obviously,Bronni had to deal with the health issue,
so that obviously impacted his freshman yearin college, and that's going to
skew a lot of the measurables andscouting and all of that. So I

(27:52):
think he can be a serviceable NBAplayer. Do I think he should be
a first round draft pick and teamsmake that type of decision on him.
Absolutely not. If it meant holdingon to Lebron James, Yeah, would
you draft him? I don't doit. No, I don't know.
I don't think that has any bearingon Lebron James's decision to either opt out.

(28:17):
Hypothetically speaking, no, I wouldn't. Damn I will, old blooded
you let go Bron James that much. No, it's it's just I'm not
gonna bend over backwards and let LebronJames. Fuck me. If they've they've
done it long clip it. They'vedone it long enough during this ten years.
So you got to put a yougotta put a buck to it at

(28:38):
some point. I see. Myfeeling on it is if it it depending
on where the pick is. Ifyou're like, Okay, I gotta take
him with the first pick, yeah, fuck no, but seventy pick maybe,
let's let's not even say the lakelike, if these teams are going
to gamble, it's somehow getting himwent Curry's favor with Lebron. Who's well,
I just saw this this morning drivingin. I saw that the Jazz

(29:00):
were thinking about him at thirty two. See to me, that's fine.
I mean, second round pick isnot really a long term commitment. And
ultimately it's not about his value.It's about the hopes that he can provide
more value as a go between toget to Lebron than whoever you would have
drafted and possibly flamed out there.Whatever. The draft is such a crapshoot,
I'll go with that. I'll rollwith that second round pick. I

(29:21):
have no problem with yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't have an issue
with that at all. And Iwould like to point out and address something
because we talked about it there fora second or touched upon it with Lebron
James. Fucking everyone, I don'tbelieve that. And I know you agree
with this as well. Eric,I'm pointing out here, but everybody with
this revisionist history regarding the Lakers andtalking about the bad place they're in now

(29:45):
because of Lebron James, and he'sinfected the franchise with clutch. No,
no, you fucking morons heard theywere averaging twenty five wins per season the
last five years before Lebron James cameto the Akers. They were a dumpster
fire. So many people have beentalking about this recently, Petros, some
money you're bringing up all the time, franchise. I will last everybody.

(30:10):
I will always respect Lebron James forbringing the one championship to LA, bringing
the franchise back from where it wasafter Kobe retired, and obviously the end
of Kobe's career was not what itwas supposed to because of injuries and all
of that. So Lebron has animportant place in Lakers franchise history. He
will always have that they were adisaster. No get any free agents,

(30:34):
the doubt, no doubt, nodoubt. The I don't have a problem
with him having influence in the coachor the GM or roster moves and all
that stuff. It's just next levelpandering to a star. To me,
if and I'm not saying that heis. If you were to say I
ain't coming back unless you draft myson, yes I'm not doing that.
Hey, he's the next level star. That's whole. They signed up with

(30:56):
fifteen years of data, knowing exactlywhat they got in. So to get
to this end of it and belike I don't like what comes with it,
well fuck off. You got atitle. You signed up for it.
They're gonna they're gonna give him themax deal when he opts out and
give him whatever he wants. Thatshould be enough. They shouldn't have to
draft his kid to appease him.Well, I don't disagree with that,

(31:18):
but if if they can get itall, I'm gonna push for it all.
Oh of course, well ask forLebron's definitely gonna push for it all.
And not the Lakers. As muchas we want to make this about
Lebron, the one thing the Lakersfront office has shown time and time again
is that they will bend over forsuperstars. And I will always give them
credit for that because that's how youkeep the stars and keep them coming to
your franchise. But that's also thatterrible position. Yeah, the contract they

(31:42):
gave to Kobe Bryant, and theywere awful for five years, they averaged
twenty five. I was watching thosegames. You don't got to remind me.
And none of those guys that theydrafted, you can say, well,
Brendan Ingram has become a good player, Juliusrael is a good player.
No, none of them have amountedto Lebron. About like three All Star
Games between all those guys they drafted, I think totally. You throw d

(32:05):
Lo in there, Lonzobosh har JoshHart's been in a revelation. It also
looked like his knee injury was goingto take him out of the league.
At one point with the Pelicans,it looked bad for him, so like
they had a complete tear down andthey weren't coming out of it. There
was no savior. Lebron came inand saved their ass and maybe another five

(32:25):
years of being terrible. And noweveryone wants to say that Lebron James ruined
the Los Angeles Lakers, ruined fuckingwhat. I hadn't heard that level.
I heard Plaski come on with Petrosome Money and say this, he's ruined
them. You have no hope withLebron James. I think the exact quote
is you have no hope. Andthe fact that no one challenged them on

(32:47):
did you see what the Lakers arebefore Lebron got here, going a good
challenging Nobody was challenging them in thatmenu. Petro's Some Money had been on
this as well. I love him, but I remember where the French had
before they got Lebron. You rememberwhere it was. It was Magic Johnson
shaking his head and saying I'm notgonna be here, and all those reports

(33:07):
coming out of him and Polenka hatingeach other, and for months all sports
talk radio was was what a dumpsterfired the Los Angeles Lakers were. And
then Lebron James comes didn't come toblaze pizza. That does piss me off.
I was there all day outside ofthat, I'll never forget that day.
He obviously had a good positive impacton them considering where they were at

(33:30):
that time. But on the otherside of the coin, if his tenure
only ends with one championship, I'mcomfortable saying that it was not a it
was not as successful of a tenureas it could have been. Agreed,
Well, I don't think. Ithink Lakers expectations were always going to be

(33:51):
that it was going to be more, whether that was realistic or not.
You know, So this idea thatthat the one title, it's just it's
it's funny to think how differently Iview even one title correct. And the
Calves got the prime years of LebronJames, they didn't get the tail end
of the career. So I thinkthat's just a matter of perspective and for
sure, and and the just theLaker fandom in general always expects more,

(34:13):
two more questions before we get outof here, because I wrote down a
couple of things. Oh no,we don't get to the Clippers before you
get out of here. Yeah,well we don't have to get no,
no, no, no. Alexanderis doing wonders in the playoffs, and
he could have been Did you seethat game last night. He was a
disaster. No, sure, theClipper wouldn't take Hi back right now if
he wanted to put out the Wolverinegive of him. Looking at the picture

(34:35):
of g everybody knew what I wastalking about. Uh, But regarding the
playoffs, we should at least mentionit a little bit. There are some
series going on that you know,our teams are all out, but still,
which team do you think that's downthree to two has the best chance
of coming back and winning the series? You got the Timberwolves down three to
two, you have not the Cavs. Sorry, down to the next and

(35:00):
that under I'm going Pacers. Whenthe t Wolves blew that game and didn't
go up three one, I saidthey were screwed. Yeah, I knew
what that is. That they haveto go up three games to wander.
If not, they're done. We'reall in consensus, that's the longest shot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, no doubt, no doubt that
the team that was up to tooh and won both games in Denver.

(35:22):
That's how much things have turned around. You're right, Yeah, that was
one of the best games I've everseen from an individual. Yeah. Oh,
it was incredible. Yeah, Idon't know how you could bet against
them at this point and then tosee what it's almost like he's the best
player in the game, Shack talkingabout I know I keep harping on this
on X on Twitter, but Ikeep saying it because every time Shaq talks

(35:43):
about Jokic, he says was thebest big man of the game. He
also face player. He shouldn't havebeen the m v P. That was
wildest you can take that. Don'tsay it in the man's face. Just
be respectful and just saying because hefelt like he was slided and he should
have won more MVPs. How aboutdon't make that moment about you. You
fucking you're my second favorite producer.Tim Kates is there, But I want

(36:07):
to let totally understood that I getit, just it's an absurd approach to
take. It's ridiculous. So whyyou have the Pacers? I would say
the Pacers come back. I wouldalso say Indiana, though I don't think
it's gonna happen, but they havethe best, the best, the best
chance, because I do think that'sone of those situations where you know they
have they have the carpet laid outin terms of Jesus. I know the

(36:29):
Knicks play above what they should timeand time again, but they're so injury
es. Eventually in Indiana, getthis one at home, and then you
just got to pull off the upsetin New York. I chalked up,
and Indiana is gonna have at leasttwo of those games where they just go
nuclear. They've had one, Yeah, they're gonna have another one. Now,
is that gonna be Game six orpotentially game seven? You know,

(36:49):
well, if it's not Game six, it's not gonna be Game six at
home, must win situation for them. I'll go with ok C just because
SGA is that good and they maybe feeling like they're playing with house money
at this point. A young teamin this position. What I love about
Oka, se aside from how wellthey play on the court, the camaraderie
that they have I think is soimportant, like them doing the interviews all

(37:13):
together post game in the huddle.It's so key for a young team,
especially when everybody before the playoffs wassaying all the Lakers should tank and take
the Thunder out, and they don'thave a chance in the first round if
they go up against the Lakers,the Thunder basically proved because they have nothing
to lose. They're playing balls tothe wall and I think a lot of

(37:36):
that camaraderie as a young team ishelping that and it's been fun for them
to watch. And I think,yeah, they do have a chance because
Luca and Kyrie's dynamic. Albeit youcould have one of them go off,
have both of them go off inthe same night, or not need them
to the fact that PJ. Washingtonis playing as well as he is,
that's where the difference is being theseries. And defensively, their front line

(37:57):
has played so well. I meanthe Oklahoma cate he score at less points
progressively as a series is going on, which means Dallas's defense has gotten better,
which is why I don't think OklahomaCity is going to come back.
I just think the veteran I thinkthe Dallas is a more veteran, battle
tested team. I do think froma matchup, just a physical matchup standpoint,
Oklahoma City matches up well with him. But I just think Dallas is
kind of figured something out. They'rejust better. Yeah, I'm just picking

(38:20):
them as my team of could outof all of them, but it's not
likely. I just didn't want togo with the Pacers, because you guys
already took that one fair enough.Okay, what about this, because we
have four fans from four different teams. Here, we got Lakers. Kevin's
kind of neutral because he's smart.I'm still a Laker fan. I don't
hide from it. Lakers with Ericand Kevin, calvs with Bob, Me

(38:43):
with the Clippers, Brebrey in thehouse with the Phoenix Suns. How about
each one of us has to takethe opposite view and give a case.
For instance, I'll have to saywhy the Lakers have a chance to be
a contender next season. Bob hasto say why the Phoenix Suns have a
chance to be a contender next season. Rebree has to say why the Clippers

(39:06):
have a chance to be a contendernext season? And Kevin, Eric,
you guys have to say where theCavaliers have a chance to be a contender
next year? Wow, make thecase, Make the case for the Cavaliers.
All right, well, all right, well, first off, I
don't like that tone. If allthings are equal and the plane is going

(39:27):
down and crash into the mountain andeverything stays the same, you bring your
coach back. Jerry Allen's back healthy, Evan Mobley has another year to get
better, Donovan Mitchell is happy,Maybe he even signs an extension there,
then yeah, there's no reason whythey can't be a team on the upswing.
They're young, they've already made adeep run into the postseason this year
in spite of the fact that they'vebeen injured. I do think they have
pieces in place and the right piecesthat fit together for a potential championship.

(39:50):
Component do I think they'll win atitle next year? But if you're asking
me to know, but I thinkthey can make it to the Eastern Conference
finals if they continue to progress theway that they are, Eric, you're
gonna help make the case for theCavs. Well, I'm gonna make a
somewhat different point than Kevin. ButI like that they're about to get a
lot deeper. They're getting some help. No, no, no, no,
that was what I was No,that's not where I was going.

(40:13):
I was actually gonna say, theybring JB back, Donovan signs an extension,
Jared Allen comes back, he toughensup, he takes that injection.
Maybe he's just you know him andAaron Rodgers just I think he was trying
to prevent a Tyrod Taylor situation.Actually, yeah, fair enough. I'm

(40:34):
adopting that point, and I'm gonnasling it around like it was my idea.
You can take it, you know. Anybody pushes back, I'll call
him racist. Perfect. I'm tryingto save it. I'm trying to save
your podcast brand here. Okay,well, yeah, exactly, all right,
all right, but you bring backJared Allen, you trade Darius Garland,

(40:54):
and I cannot believe we have noteven talked about this. Nay,
Well, I was gonna say theytrade Garland and then Braun opts out and
takes a hometown discount, come backto Cleveland, Okay, because he was
at the game on Monday and therewas all the talk about what's he doing
in Cleveland. Well, they're bothclutch guys, you know, just ali

(41:15):
people. People are saying he wasthere to either scout Donovan Mitchell or Darius
Garlix of the league's clutch. Atthis point, why don't you now make
the case for the Lakers being acontender? Well, I think that,
uh maybe not. Anthony Davis wasgreat, not the bonus great, but
he was great this year. Ifhe stayed healthy. If he can,

(41:36):
if he can carry that forward inthe next season, Uh, I would
be worried. I'd be a littleworried about the prospect of Delo opting out
after he got the Dwight Howard treatmentthis year for most of the Lakers pans,
but assuming that they at least gotsigns of life from Vincent later after
missing so much of the time,Okay, even if Delo opts out,
I think that you could make theargument that coaching didn't utilize Rue to the

(42:00):
level that he could have been,and that there's possibly some room to improve
there. And then aside from that, I think you have to hope that
there's a few people out there wholook at them and the guys that they
have in place and say, okay, we have some late Lebron stage,
you know, Ring Chase add Onsthat are just coming to, you know,
play amongst guys who are going tocarry a heavy burden of the offense.

(42:22):
Aside from that, I do thinkit's good that they're getting to that
point where their draft assets are startingto free up a little bit so they
can make some maneuvers. I dothink Reeves is a very solid, you
know, strong rotational piece like thirdstar type player on a very good contract,
a very good contract. So despitehis deficiencies, I do think of

(42:45):
the guys you constantly hear bandied about, is okay, this may be our
path to changing people on the roster. I think Austin Reeves is a very
solid component in that regard. Andthen in terms of Lebron teams, my
feeling has always been that, youknow, the biggest thing is how do
you manage rotates and gives you achance with a new coach. I mean
that was one of the biggest thingsI heard you, my God. So

(43:06):
in that regard, maybe maybe theyget another year of miraculous you know,
everybody stays healthy. Well, Vanderbilt'sgot to stay healthy too. Yeah.
Yeah, So I don't think it'simpossible, but it's banking out a lot
of things to go right. Yeah, all right, bring you quickly make
the case for my Clippers being acontender, Nexces, this will be good.
Agree to this. I'm looking forwardto this. Why, welcome to

(43:29):
the round table. You're analysis tosee what you have to say. You
know, yeah, I know allthe all the positive vibes on the God
told the Clippers I love the Clippers. My gosh, clip that. Oh
god, I don't know. Idon't know. You flipped Paul George and
get him to Orlando and try toget one of those Warner brothers. Get

(43:49):
one of the Wagner brothers. Hey, Wagner into it, though, Let's
go Franz. I do Franz though, I'll get some in the mix.
Yeah, is fine. You packagelike a little plumbly Westbrook George. Take
one of the toilets from the newarenas. No, what's o? God,

(44:15):
I forgot there's one of them.I can't think of one of the
bench players on the Magic that Ireally like. One of three. I
think you'd be great. No,no, no, no, not done.
I mean you did handle to MikeAdam. I know, no,
I was just kidding. Okay,all right, maybe the Wall will be
so intimidating, that's right, goon, people won't know how to react.

(44:37):
Yeah, the Wall were apparently ifyou if you try to walk into
a t Wolves Clipper game with ate Wolves jersey on, they're literally your
collar and your pants and throw youout of the sections. Was what?
I need one? Exactly? Yes, I need one pregame show from the
Wall. Next season one show youand big Brother Jake Adam. Let's do

(44:58):
it. I'm there, I loveit. I'm good with that. Uh
So I have the Phoenix Suns.My task is to give reasons why they
could be a contender next season.Good luck with that. Let's say they
trade Devin Booker to the Clippers.Oh, here we go. The Clippers
give back Brandon Boston. He's he'sgoing to be an elite talent, Lusa
diabate, Kobe Brown. Maybe asecond round pick because Clippers don't have any

(45:23):
first round picks till twenty thirty.Sounds like the old Laker trades. Let's
trade Tim Duncan. Is their issue, Kevin, you saw it all last
season. They're too top heavy.They're more top heavy than Dolly Parton on
stilts. I thought Royce O'Neill wasgoing to be the now cob On.

(45:43):
You got kd you got Devin Booker. You have Bradley Beale still in some
better pieces around him. Maybe maybethe type of big DeAndre Ayton type of
big you know, a guy who'snot afraid to attack the paint a little
bit. Okay, sorry, hewas pretty bid. Oh I heard if
they're Big three as they played morethan like fifteen games with each other to
that might that might help. Theyneed good health. It feels like the

(46:04):
least uplifting the most bleak outlook atLean. By the way, I'm glad
you got Frank Vogel, who's toxicgas, out of there, because God
knows it was all his fault.As to why the Sons didn't win this
year, Mike bootholes, there's agreat tactician and the players love him.
You know, they ran him outof Milwaukee after a couple of years after

(46:25):
winning the championship. At least youhave an owner willing to spend money.
What well his three stars over Gilbertexactly? That feud is, Can we
get a voicemailing before we run?Yeah, it's a one voicemail that came
in a couple of days ago atnine four nine four seven, eight eleven
ninety seven. I believe it's NBArelated. Wow, So what's who we

(46:45):
have? For the love of God, Adam will quit fucking shut the fuck
up, romantics. It's not asingle goddamn person except you give the ship.
Whether Jokic is the best big manin the game or the best player

(47:07):
in the game, fucking bitching andmoaning about the most unimportant thing. It's
semantics from the inside the NBA tnT Show with Shack is saying, and
next year we don't have the fuckingshow anymore, the best studio sports show
ever made. But we don't haveit anymore. We're gonna left with ESPN

(47:30):
schlock. Then what are you gonnabitch about? This call? Some fucking
boring show. You're like, you'relike those assholes in twenty sixteen who wouldn't
stop bitching online about Uber and theycried for government intervention. And now with
fucking Uber now a fucking taxi servicebecause of all these idiots that wouldn't stop

(47:52):
bitching and moaning invention ever fucking stoppeddrunk driving, picturing him being an Uber
driver right now and someone in theback to this call just as extensive as
a knock it off. Well,he hit you with the Ryan Leaf knock

(48:12):
it off with a sports take toget out that uberly it seems like I
love, I appreciate that Ryan.That's great, that's good. I think
he cares more about me, caringwhether or not Yokic should be defined or
qualified as the best player versus whatShack always says the best big man in
the league. We can acknowledge thoughafter they went down to people were so

(48:35):
eager to jump and be like,oh, look it was an anomaly.
Oh then sanity runs over boys.It's it's a wild amount of the way
that people are already treating him him, like if he's done this for one
year about the title, Like whydo we have to hate him so much
already? And it's not semantics.If you don't know the fucking difference between
being the best big man in theleague versus being the best player in the
league, that's on you. Andit's shameful that someone in Shack's position can't

(49:00):
figure that out or connect the dots, maybe because he wants to belittle another
guy who's who's played in the sameposition as him, because he's been that
petty in the past over some insecurity. To your point, the fact that
he won one MVP and one withthree, there's been a lot of former
players that have not given Ic hiskudos, his credit, have talked about
how great he has been. Alot of people have been praying for his

(49:22):
downfall for some time. When ifyou have won three of the past four
regular season MVPs and on the reigningfinals MVP. I think you're the best
player in the game. I don'tknow if it could be any more clear.
Yeah, you know what that is, Bob best? Racist, that's
what you mean, because he's abig, slow, white guy that wants
to hang with his horses in theoffseason. He doesn't want to get drunk

(49:44):
and at a parade. Racist assholes. I'm criticism for the white man.
All right. Listen, Look ifI could be as big of a casual
as Ryan and just listen to someof those takes and nod my head when
the TNT got can't even remember players'names? Who's this Gordon guy? On
on the Denver Nuggets, Charles namesAaron Gordon, You fucking moron? Bad

(50:08):
Remember the teams they played against orwhat they played for? Charles? Is
this stupid? This level of stupid. You did learn a lot from a
dummy, He said after they weredown oh two the Minnesota Timberwolves were going
to sweep the Denver Nuggets because theyhad won both games in Denver. It
was happening against the defending champs,not realizing that he was on the team

(50:31):
that was up two oh After winningboth games. I believe in Houston back
in ninety five, it's any exactsame position against the Rockets, only for
them to come back and win thatseries against his Phoenix Suns. Did can't
you say anything about that while theywere sitting there? Did he mention that
at all? I think at somepoint they got a round to it.
But Charles not being self aware enoughto know that that could happen because it

(50:54):
happened to him in ninety five ishilarious. Revision is history, man.
Yeah, these guys are living inthe past, like Walter soapcheck be hilarious.
Yes, they're the most entertaining group. I also would like actual basketball
analysis sometimes just a little bit.You know. It's like when Mark Jones
has to be the only guy pointingout flair screens and actual things that are

(51:17):
happening out there on the court,and none of the analysts can do that
anymore except for Tim Lagler, who'sgreat and finally got a call a game
like that's where we're at. Wehave to listen to hot takes like from
Kendrick Perkins and shocking these guys insteadof actual basketball knowledge being given out.
I think Red exactually good in thatrole, and he's probably stayed stay stay
there, not in the Laker bench, stay where you are. I like

(51:39):
that. I like it, andhe embraces the modern game and actually has
some perspective on history and throws someshade exactly, and inside the broadcast,
I appreciate it. I don't mindit at all. Yeah. Well,
but thank you guys for supporting thefine podcast. This is great. This
has been one of the longer podcastswe've done with Eric and Bob. You
know NBA Roundtable. Bree got someshots in at the Clippers full house pining

(52:01):
for the Wagner Brothers to come.Did you guys It definitely sounds like a
sausage company or something from Germany,the Wagner Brothers or something. You know,
this is weird. But if youguys want to be like Ryan and
leave an angry voicemail, you cando that at nine four nine four seven,
eight eleven ninety seven. God semantics, Why are you so angry about
it? As I'm calling it angrytoo. At Follow Adam is where you

(52:23):
can follow Adam on the socials.You can follow me at KFIG one.
Bob is at Voice Bob, whichhe never uses. Hear the Fro pod
is where all the action happens.So what is fear the fro probably gonna
talk about now that cav season isover? On fire? Yeah, exactly,
when's the pod in the chamber gettingreleased? Tomorrow morning? Okay,

(52:44):
well maybe maybe this afternoon. ThatAthletic article blew the whole thing to hell,
to the point where I'm like,if I sit on it much longer,
who knows what's going to be exactly. Last question before we get out
of here. Yes, not NBArelated. Yes, if you were advising
Drake, what would you tell himto do at this point? Staying Turks
and Kikos for a little bit longer. Don't come back, don't come back,

(53:06):
you know what. I have noidea. I know respond, I
know he's beefing with Kendrick. Beyondthat, I have no idea. I
think. I think I listened toNot Like Us like probably five to ten
times a day. It's a hitin the same way back to Back was.
Oh it's bigger than Back to Back. Okay technically yeah, yeah,
it's doing huge numbers. I'll takeall you guys's word for it. So

(53:27):
I love that song. I haveno opinion on what Drake should do,
but keep beefing because it's just moremusic. Oh yeah, fine by me.
In five years from now, they'regonna have a double album together.
And I know how this stuff works. Meet Mill and Drake did this five
years ago. I'm over it.Hopefully you guys are not over us here
at the f ANDA Podcast. Weappreciate your support, you guys. Take
it easy. We'll talk to youguys again next week. I don't like
to rain on people's parade, butI'm not happy with this one. Gratulations

(53:52):
a joker. You have the bestbet big man in the league, but