The Return of FnA with Petros + NBA on the Clippers, Lakers and Paul George

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Yeah, man, it's been a little bit. Can I test
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I depressed it so hard. We're stuck because they haven't
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don't know or four months. It's the longest hiatus we've

(03:09):
ever been on. Easily, easily, and it's nobody's fault. Kevin
and his wife.

Speaker 8 (03:14):
You can blame my son if you want to, but.

Speaker 9 (03:16):
No, no, no, I'm not blaming anyone.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
It wasn't your fault.

Speaker 9 (03:21):
First of all, Kevin has the cutest kid of all time,
and it's not even fucking close. I'm not play it.

Speaker 8 (03:28):
I don't know if that's necessarily true.

Speaker 9 (03:29):
With those Welch's commercials, kids got nothing on your kid.
You got the cutest kid.

Speaker 8 (03:33):
Bria has already offered to be his agent. Uh so
she can shop them around to Gerber and a bunch
of other places.

Speaker 9 (03:38):
Smart business move by her. I would say, the kid's
gonna be booking everything.

Speaker 8 (03:42):
I spent some time with my with my son for
a couple of months time. I would not trade for
anything in the world as much as I love you
listeners and you Adam and the radio station and everything
else when it comes to him.

Speaker 10 (03:52):
F y'all.

Speaker 8 (03:53):
So, uh but I'm glad to be back. I'm glad
we're back in the mix here on the FNA podcast.
It's been a long time.

Speaker 9 (03:59):
Meanwhile, I was giving birth to a YouTube channel, trying
to get up with the times and be a content creator.
Oh yeah, which means just clippers talk seven days a week.

Speaker 8 (04:09):
I saw a clip with you and like took your
shirt off and did some gym stuff.

Speaker 9 (04:12):
Wait a second, it was like time on Twitter, like.

Speaker 8 (04:15):
He's full on, full on influencer.

Speaker 9 (04:18):
At this point in time, I leaned into it. I
talked about doing the ten percent body fat thing before
the Clipper season started, and I didn't make it. I
got to like fourteen percent, damn it. So I let
everybody down. Yeah, it was really sad and I it's
harder than I thought.

Speaker 8 (04:34):
So you can't just go on the supermodel died and
just eat sticks of gum.

Speaker 9 (04:37):
I thought I could. I was going for walks every
night to like walk your way to ten percent body
fat calories. And you can't just work out hard all
the time. Your body's gonna break down. You gotta do
lesser impacts still recover.

Speaker 10 (04:50):
Man.

Speaker 9 (04:50):
I was eating good, but not good enough. It is.
It is a grind, it is. That is a job
in itself.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
It is.

Speaker 9 (04:57):
I'm still going for it though, God damn good. The
Clippers may have started, but it hasn't ended yet. And
my new goal is to get there before the Clipper
season ends. So I need them to make the playoffs
to give me any.

Speaker 8 (05:07):
Hopefully done ends sooner than Jehovah, you know.

Speaker 9 (05:11):
But yeah, that Clippers talk on YouTube, you guys want
to see it. It's seven days a week.

Speaker 8 (05:14):
And he does an amazing job. He does emergency podcasts,
which we could talk about one. We can start with
that now if you want. All right, because let's go
first off and did some NBA f.

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Speaker 8 (05:29):
So we know Paul George has his podcast, his podcast
Peace Show, and yesterday a podcast Afternoon he h There
was a clip that was going around of him talking
about his time with the Clippers, and more specifically about
what he said about the Clippers being the B team
in Los Angeles, trying to clarify his statements that the

(05:51):
Clippers were the B team to the Lakers, and also
reiterating what he said when they the Philadelphia seventy six
ers were in town to play the Clippers, when he said,
they boom me, and they don't understand I was a
free agent. I didn't ask just to leave, So why
did they boom me? And all that stuff. But Adam
did an emergency podcast on this. I feel like moments
after it came out, to be honest with you, maybe
about an hour or so.

Speaker 9 (06:11):
Yeah, I was on I was at the gym. I
was running ten miles. I saw that go up. I
started to run faster so I could get to ten
miles and then get home.

Speaker 8 (06:19):
He said that he just ran home like Forest Gun.
He jumped off of the treadmill, ran out of the
gym and ran straight home. Didn't left his car and everything.

Speaker 9 (06:25):
Look, that's what I had to do.

Speaker 8 (06:28):
So as someone who was as intimately involved with the Clippers,
the PG years, the non PG years, and I know
and Adam, by the way, did an entire podcast on this,
twenty plus minutes on it. So I encourage you at
Clippers Talk on YouTube to go check that out. But
for those who haven't, and he's going to get off
of a cliff notes version of what you had to
say about Paul George, what were your thoughts and what

(06:48):
Paul George had to say?

Speaker 9 (06:50):
I could succinctly summarize what's going on here. I think
prosecutor pee because he went into lawyer mode with parsing
his words and saying, no, I didn't say they were
the B team. I said it felt like the B team.
Now that is accurate. I have gone back and listened
to the original clip multiple times. Right, So he's not

(07:11):
a liar, and he said the vibe it felt like this.
He's also doing it right after he leaves the Clippers.
He's laughing about it, and it's kind of, you know,
an open wound for Clipper Nation and a sore spot
for them to be called the B team. It's not
like everybody doesn't know that, correct, It's not like.

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Speaker 9 (11:05):
Unless you're the Boston Celtics, if you're in LA going
up against the Lakers as a basketball team, you are
going to be the B team. There's only one other
team that could reasonably compete with them in the Los
Angeles market that has all the trophies too, and that's
the Boston Celtics. Outside of that, everybody would be the
B team next to the Lakers here, correct, So it's

(11:25):
it's not like it's this, you know, black marker, this
awful thing to be called the B team when you're
growing up against a team that has the history of
the Lakers.

Speaker 8 (11:34):
Do to your point, the fan base already knows that
they don't need him to rub salt in the wound.
And I think that's what turned a lot of people off.

Speaker 9 (11:40):
Well, And people point out, how, uh, Paul, you said
you grew up a Clippers fan. You did, so, how
did you not know that they were the lesser team
in town, that with less fans the B team? You
went and Darry redheaded stepchild.

Speaker 8 (11:53):
Now say you say to you? So you went back
and saw his quote. What was the context of the quote.
Did he say this unprompted or was he answering a
question that someone asked him and he set the B team?
Or can were you not able to parse that out?

Speaker 9 (12:03):
It was open for him. One of the other guys,
I forget his name, Jackie, I think this was podcast cronies.

Speaker 8 (12:10):
So we set this on his podcast. Is where this
original quote came from?

Speaker 9 (12:13):
Yeah, okay, and this is, you know, two weeks or so,
maybe three weeks up to a month after he left
the Clippers, so it was still relatively fresh. Sure, And
somebody else said, you know, he mentioned how you're walking
around town and people are telling him you should have
been a Laker and all this stuff, and so his podcast,
buddy says, his friend says, that you know, you felt

(12:34):
like the second team or whatever. He's like, yeah, the
B team. Basically that's the context of it. So it's
still something where it's not a live show and they
could have just clipped it out. But that's not even
the only thing. Like if it was just that, I
don't think him trying to clarify what he meant by
that is going to be enough for Clipper Nation to

(12:57):
forgive him, because it's just on brand with Paul George.
The reason there was a sign up at the wall
when he returned on November sixth with Phillya we could
go or whatever that said PG Think before you Speak
is because a bunch of people feel like he contradicts
himself all the time. He says one thing, does another.
He wants to be more on ball than he wants

(13:19):
to be more off ball. You can't please him. He
wants to be the number one option than he wants
to that. He says he's the number two. Coauhi is
the number one. He says all these things that just
seemed to be. He dresses up as Where's Waldo for
Halloween and doesn't realize they're gonna use that against him
every time he's gone missing in a game, where's Paul dough.

Speaker 8 (13:42):
He can lest we bring up pandemic pe right.

Speaker 9 (13:45):
People already were saying that about him, and all these
Clippers fans like myself were defending that he has the
great run in twenty twenty one, and I've been using
that for years to kind of blunt and he criticism
on Paul George, Well, he doesn't show up.

Speaker 8 (13:58):
You said he was a top five, tops seven player
in the league at a certain point a couple of
years ago.

Speaker 9 (14:02):
Sure, I think talent wise, he's one of the most
talented NBA players of all time. You're six ' nine,
you have a handle like that, you can shoot like that.
But he's wildly inconsistent for a star. This is true,
very true, and in many ways he didn't live up
to the hype for Clipper Nation. And they feel like
it's a lot of mixed messaging from him over the years,

(14:25):
and now they have to deal with him still talking
about them while he's in Philly and saying stuff like
they're the B team, or his dad coming on his
podcast and saying we felt like we were stabbed in
the back. It's like, how are you stabbed in the
back by the Clippers, and Paul George basically signed off
on an extra year in a trade in a no
trade class.

Speaker 8 (14:43):
How was that? How was that being stabbed in the back?
They offered you a contract.

Speaker 9 (14:46):
Paul George also framed it initially like they only offered
him sixty million dollars. Now that's sixty was an extension
on the fifty million dollar option. So the meeting was
starting at the negotiation table was one ten to start
the year. Eventually it got up to one hundred and fifty,
just like Kawhi Leonard got. So here's another one where
he's talking on both sides of his mouth on the

(15:07):
podcast within one minute and this came out I think
the week after he left to go to Philly. He goes,
you guys can check this. We talked about it with
Bob too, and he kind of pushed back. But I
pulled the video and I get what Bob is saying
with some of the stuff that some people turned on
Paul George just right after he left. But there is

(15:29):
a huge faction of Clippers fans that have been saying
this guy just wants to be a role player for years.
He doesn't want the responsibility of being a star. He
wants it, but he doesn't. He wants the money, but
he doesn't want the responsibility or the accountability that comes
with it. He's making excuses all the time. There have
been people in Clipper Nation that have been talking about
this for years, not just because he left. This has

(15:50):
been a constant issue with them. So on the podcast,
he goes, I'm thinking, just give me what Kawhi got correct.

Speaker 8 (15:59):
Remember that.

Speaker 9 (16:00):
Then like a minute later he's like, so they offered
me the one fifty and I'm like, we're in the ballpark. Now,
wait a second, that's what Kawai got, correct. So why
is he just in the ballpark and you are just
taking it because you felt scorn that they didn't offer
it to you right away, which is only coming from
his side. We don't know that the Clippers didn't offer
it at the same time they offered it to Kawhi Leonard.

(16:22):
It's just stuff like that. Now all of a sudden,
he wants that extra year, or he wants the no
trade clause, which.

Speaker 8 (16:28):
Is something that you brought up that Kawhi Leonard didn't give.

Speaker 9 (16:30):
And there's two guys in the NBA the trade Lebron
and Bradley Beal.

Speaker 8 (16:34):
And so now you're asking for something that Kawhi didn't get,
So you, in a sense, are asking for more.

Speaker 9 (16:39):
So again he's saying one thing and then the next minute,
literally on the podcast, he's saying another, just constantly contradicting himself.

Speaker 8 (16:48):
Now, so how did this one land When he says that, no,
if y'all to want to be the B team, how
come you're not packing out the into It Dome and
there's nobody in there. Noah, he would know that, considering
he's been there one time. I have no idea.

Speaker 9 (16:59):
That's his dig to get back at them for the booing,
because right afterwards postgame he made a comment about it.
He said like, I wish there was more people here
as something led to that degree, and I knew right
then it was shade. It wasn't just him pointing out that, yeah,
there could have been more people there. I knew it
was shade. And then he made it more obvious with
what he said, as you mentioned yesterday about it, like
go supports your team, Like that's his get back.

Speaker 8 (17:22):
Which is bs by the way, because I would to say,
especially during the Lob City years, they were packing out
staples Center. Yeah, more so than the Laker I went
to a lot of Laker and Clipper games back in
those days, and when the Lakers were running out a
bunch of as Vic would say, flotsam and jetsam, there
was nobody there. People weren't there to see Nick Marshall
and whoever else they were running out there. Nobody wants
to see that Robert or whatever that point guard's name

(17:43):
for North Carolina, whatever his name is, doesn't matter my
point exactly. Yeah, but the Clippers were packing the house
and at Staples the last couple of years with Kawhi,
Lionard and Paul George, they were packing the house.

Speaker 9 (17:52):
Now, I think fans to a certain degree are skeptical
about this new era and they're still frustrated with all
the injuries and is Kawhigan play?

Speaker 8 (18:01):
And look, I think the expectation level not having a
second star with Kawhi is not playing yet, it makes
sense that you would make take a half a step
back and say, like, well, maybe the expectations are a
little bit lower, which we acknowledged, by the way, when
we record with Bob and Eric a couple of months ago,
when this all came down.

Speaker 9 (18:15):
Look, if they're around five hundred before Kawhi comes back
to me that success and third five hundred right now
at six and six and talking about the end to
a dome and the statement that he made. Yeah, it
hasn't been packed up as much as you would think
so far. It's also early. The Dodgers won the World Series.
NFL is going on. Some people don't even talk about

(18:36):
the NBA until December until Christmas Day when it really
tips off. And I think it's just a new habit
for a lot of Coppers fans because now it's in Inglewood,
it is further for some die hard people. They're getting
accustomed to it. And I'm sorried about it long term.

Speaker 8 (18:51):
And I'd assume I don't know this for a fact,
but a new arena in new amenities, it probably costs
a little bit more to get in there, So it's
not the same.

Speaker 9 (18:59):
I have heard that. I've heard stuff about parking. Look,
it's the highest technology arena in the world. It is
the most high tech arena in the world. So the
Paul George stuff, it's just like I've defended him for
a while. I couldn't after the Dallas series before he left,
I was like, I can't defend this. He's had two

(19:20):
bad playoff series basically to bookend his tenure with the
Clippers to start off in the bubble and then on
the back end against Dallas this past season, and there's
going to be some bitterness and animosity towards Paul George
for a long time. Having said that, still think he's
probably a top five Clipper. Ever, m I'm trying to
think Keith Claws, uh.

Speaker 10 (19:44):
He is.

Speaker 8 (19:46):
Jeff McGinnis is up there somewhere, Andre Miller, Robby, we
love a boy Cands.

Speaker 9 (19:50):
I mean, come on, think there's some great Clippers, But Paul.

Speaker 8 (19:54):
George, that's I think it's undeniable. Despite some of his
shortcomings in big moments or whatever you want to criticize
him for, he had some great moments too, when there
were times where he carried the team when Kawhi Leonard
was not available.

Speaker 9 (20:05):
He did that did happen in playoff series.

Speaker 8 (20:07):
He got to the conference finals for the first time
ever with him at the Helm and not Kawhi Leonard.

Speaker 9 (20:11):
But it's not just the B team thing. It's not
just that he left. It's all the stuff over the
past couple of years with him at times playing so
inconsistently that people are saying he's a role player. He
just wants to be a role player out there, but
at the same time he's asking for max money. Right,
That's basically the root of a lot of this.

Speaker 8 (20:31):
Hey, look, if he had not said all the stuff
on the podcast going into Philadelphia, coming in, maybe he
would not have been roundly booed. I think a lot
of people feel like, you know, he basically you know,
kicked the Clippers in the ass and was talking crap
about them on his way out of the door, and
that just didn't sit well with him. And I would
understand that. It's I'm a Clipper fan, would.

Speaker 9 (20:48):
You call yourself? And this is before he became a Clipper,
but it's Paul George, what do you call yourself? Playoff
p and then don't show up. You're gonna be heavily criticized.
When do you say you're gonna be on your bully
s And then you have a game where you only
take fifteen shit or a playoff series where you only
take fifteen shots per game against Dallas when it matters most,
you're gonna get criticized. You're putting the target on your
own back to some degree, it's his own words hurting him,

(21:10):
So I don't know. I wish him well in Philly,
and I still think they're gonna turn things around there,
even though they have similar injury stuff going on like
he dealt with with the Clippers.

Speaker 8 (21:20):
Can I and we weren't planning to talk about this,
but I saw what Shaq said, and we've had our
issues with what Shack and those guys have said on
TNC in the past.

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Speaker 3 (25:00):
For Shack to.

Speaker 8 (25:01):
Get on his high horse and say, Joel Embiid is
not a leader, and you know he's shouldn't be in
the Hall of Fame or he's not gonna win a
championship because he doesn't work hard, and he does he
needs to play through injury and play on back to backs,
and you need to follow the leader. I was like,
do you see a mirror? Maybe the mirrors and the
TNC studios are just too small to get your entire
frame inside of its shack. But you remember talking about

(25:23):
having surgery on company time. You remember coming in out
of shape all the time during Laker, you know, getting
yourself in shape the first two and a half months
of the season, needing to get traded to Miami to
get yourself back into shape so you can help them
win a champion. Does any of that ring a bell?

Speaker 9 (25:37):
But I got these these great horror if.

Speaker 8 (25:41):
Joel and b played with Kobe Bryant in his prime
and Dwayne Wade before he even got to US prime,
to be honest with you, he probably would too. Yeah,
so I had to get that off my chest. I
love Shaq a lot of things about him, but his
NBA analysis leaves a lot to be desired. And when
you say stuff like that as tone deaf as that is, Yeah,
it's ridiculous to.

Speaker 9 (26:01):
Me criticizing Joel Embiid and Kawhi Leonard and guys who
are injury prone, Like, what are you trying to get
out of this? They're obviously hurt a lot. It's legitimate.

Speaker 8 (26:11):
Hell, look, if you want to criticize and Bed for
coming up small and big moments the game seven against Boston,
fair all that is fair for what he does on
the court. But you start talking about guys who are
legitimately hurt and trying to come back when you didn't
do that yourself when you played Miss me with that.

Speaker 9 (26:26):
I've never liked the street closed stuff about Anthony Davis.
It's like somebody told me. A guy who played high
level ball told me the other day that you know,
all the work in training you do in the offseason
is the job that's the hard part. That's the part
that sucks. The fun part is getting to play in games.
And these guys are doing all the stuff that sucks
and not being able to do the fun part and

(26:47):
actually play in games like and it tells you about
their work ethic. And a guy like Kawhi Leonard who
was still trying to come back, and this was somebody
that came out of San Diego State and had no
offensive game and he turned into one of the best
offensive players because he puts in the work and is
a grinder, and unfortunately he's not able to participate in
the fun part of it, which is actually playing in
games right now.

Speaker 8 (27:07):
Just people don't reckon they want and Shack should, but
a lot of people just don't recognize the amount of
mental and physical effort it gets to just to get
to that point. I think of people like Alex Smith,
Grant Hill, guys who have to work their asses off
just to get themselves to a point to where they
can actually play. The amount of mental toll that that
takes on you is most people couldn't do that. Most

(27:29):
people just couldnot do the tedium of rehab just to
get themselves to a point where they can go back
and try to play at a high level. And I
think a lot of people don't understand what goes into that.

Speaker 9 (27:37):
Shack's too big and tall to be going for the
low hanging fruit. Ah yeah, because it's too easy to
get a bunch of attention and love from people that say, yeah,
you know, back in my day, guys were tougher just
by saying stuff like this, And that's probably all he's garnering,
just a bunch of old heads being like Chef's right,
these guys are mentally weak and soft and they just
don't want to play in today's game. They do all

(27:58):
the hard work to get to the level so they
can play, and unfortunately some guys are dealing with legit injuries,
especially Kawhi. I can speak to that one.

Speaker 8 (28:08):
Yeah, and by the way, it's still no update on
when he's gonna be gonna be back.

Speaker 9 (28:12):
Out and definitely he's at least back, He's at least
out next week. That was confirmed by coach.

Speaker 8 (28:19):
Is this a week to week thing? That's how we
because I know the media keeps asking him and with
lose like well he's out this week, Well he's out
this week.

Speaker 9 (28:24):
There's something now where you have to update every so often,
so then they just give he's still out. He's been
out in definitely for a while. But coach Lou was
asked last night if he'll be practicing it sometime this
month and he basically said, I don't know.

Speaker 8 (28:37):
So on the court you mentioned, five hundred is about
where they should be without Kawhi Leonard on the team,
or at least it's encouraging that if they can vote
around five hundred until he gets here. So your overall
takeaway through what twelve games so far this season for
the Clippers is what.

Speaker 9 (28:51):
They probably have overachieved to a degree, right, But I
also wonder how much of it is sustainable because James
Harden is so overtaxed and overworked. The usage rating is
as high as it was or the highest it's been
since the twenty nineteen twenty twenty season. So he was
thirty now he's thirty five, basically has the same usage
rating of guys young bucks like Sga and Luka Doncic,

(29:12):
and it's just not sustainable. And his shooting percentage who
really low.

Speaker 8 (29:17):
Feels like his efficiency is not. Man I look and
he's four for fourteen. That seems to be routine.

Speaker 9 (29:22):
It's just something where they don't have any options when
it comes to playmaking and guys who can create for
themselves and others. They don't have a ton of guys
like that. We knew that coming into the season. Their
defense is carrying them, we knew that was gonna be
part of it. Jeff av Gundy's in there. They have
been great on that end, and he's been doing some
work there too at times. And he's the second leading
rebounder on the team. He's being asked to do way
too much for a guy who's thirty five. But it's

(29:44):
not like they just don't have any options. He wants
to do it. He's trying to do it. But people
criticizing him for a shooting percenta just like, wow, why
are you looking at everything like that's of course that's
gonna happen.

Speaker 8 (29:54):
Yeah, he's gonna get worn down if Kawai.

Speaker 9 (29:56):
Go's back, though, Man, I really like the makeup of
this team. I think it could be very interesting if
they could get a healthy Kawhi. I know that's asking
a lot, and some people are rolling their eyes, but
if they could have a healthy Kawhi the seven game series,
with how the West looks right now, it's like, Man,
I feel like they got a shot. I really do.

Speaker 8 (30:13):
And I'm not saying that they should do anything, you know,
illegal or against NBA rules, But let's say Kawhi Leonard
is good enough to go next week, why not just
sit them out until Christmas or the first of the year.
If you can kind of get your way through this thing,
get them back one thousand percent healthy, and all of
a sudden, this is essentially making a trade for a
superstar player that's going to have the freshest legs he's

(30:35):
had in a couple of years. Yeah, I mean, it
makes all the sense in the world to me. They
just have to make sure they avoid the six seven
game losing streak or losing ten out of you know,
that sort of situation, which I will say, if you're
going to continue to tax James hard in the way
that you're doing, that's a very distinct possibility that it
could happen. As much as their defense can help carry them,
and Chris Dunn's been a great pick up for them,

(30:56):
They've they've shown themselves well, I just wonder at what
point and I got off to a hot start yesterday. Offensively,
they're hitting threes left and right. Dude, I just don't
know how sustainable that is without someone like Kawhi Leonard
in the lineup.

Speaker 9 (31:08):
What's funny to me is the same people who criticize
them for not playing in the regular season, then if
they do when they try to play all the games
like Kawhi did last season, played sixty eight and then
his knee started to swell up, then they go, he's
never ready for the playoffs. The same people that are
like these guys don't care about the regular season. They
criticize them for not being ready for the playoffs because

(31:29):
they try to give it their all in the regular
season and Kawhi is just injury prone. He's just If
there's anybody who has a legit argument for load management,
I think it is Kawhi Leonard. They have tried everything
at this point, I will play.

Speaker 8 (31:43):
Him as little as possible only when I need on
a need to basis.

Speaker 9 (31:47):
When fans minimize the regular season in the NBA, which
they have, why is it surprising that eventually players get
to the point. I'm not saying this is the way
with Kawhi Leonard, but why is it surprising that players
get to the point where they also realize, oh, nothing matters,
but what happens to the playoffs and my legacy is
built there.

Speaker 8 (32:06):
Well, this goes back to what we said about Kevin
Durant when he left Oklahoma City for a Golden State.
It was the exact same argument. You know, it doesn't
matter if I win fifty five games and get to
the Western Conference Finals. If I lose every year, people
are going to say I was a failure, regardless of
how many points I score rings.

Speaker 9 (32:20):
Culture has ruined some of the NBA, with people only
valuing things if you win it all, like you can't
be great. I think it's ruined sports in general with you.

Speaker 8 (32:29):
Yeah, individual baseball is I guess it's different. But in football,
guys get criticized all that. Dan Marino, people knock him
down eight pigs because he didn't win a championship. Yeah,
you know, if John Elway hadn't won those two at
the end of his career, where would he be in
the animals the time. It's just it's ridiculous and people
don't realize it's a team sport or circumstances around it.
If somebody does as much as they Josh Allen, is

(32:49):
it his fault the Bills haven't won Super Bowls? I mean,
I can point to so many different shortcomings the Bills.
I've had, the thirteen second, the kickoff against Kansas City,
all these different things that are out of his hands.
But people are gonna saddle him. You didn't win a championship,
You are a failure.

Speaker 9 (33:03):
You can be a victim of your era and a
victim of a lack of context with national media and
low level fans who just they just dumb it down
or filter or filter things down to just you didn't
win well.

Speaker 8 (33:16):
And honestly what they do. I mean, we as a
media are a big reason for it because we have
our talking head shows. Well we are in the media
US in particular. No, but you're talking head morning shows
who go on and they have to have something to
debate every single day, and people will wake up and
watch that and they just have that formulates their sports
opinion and they just roll off of it.

Speaker 9 (33:35):
This is why I've been asking for the hot take
bubble to hit. I need that will happen, something that helps.

Speaker 8 (33:45):
But the problem is now it's open. The problem is
that people that consume that have their own formats. Now
it's just going to continue to grow and more and more.
That's it, really is. It really disgusting now. I was
talking to someone yesterday about the Lakers and we talked
about and the Clippers came up there. We were talking
about Chuck the condor. I have no idea how it
came up. And he said, if the Clippers have a mascot,
why know the Lakers have a mascot, And then he

(34:07):
said they do. His name is Bronnie James. So it's
like you come to a Laker game or a South
Bay Laker game that packs the house. Tickets that usually
get are sold retail, that thirty five bucks are being
bumped up to two hundred and seventy five dollars to
see a kid who should be sitting on the bench
at USC right now.

Speaker 9 (34:24):
I mean, if the people are gonna pay.

Speaker 8 (34:27):
Business wise, hey, by all means, I guess. And maybe
this was part of the Lakers grand plan too. I
don't know. It makes no sense to me. Whatsoever I said.
I told Fred Rogan this the other day, is I
wish we could have somebody who spent that money to
go and see the South Bay Lakers talk to us
or come on the show and tell me what made
them want to spend two hundred dollars to go watch that.

Speaker 9 (34:47):
I don't know if it's just being a part of
history and Lebron is playing the long game because one
hundred years from now, people aren't gonna criticize it as much.
They'll just be like, I can't believe this happens. That's
gonna somehow enhance his legacy the further away you get
from it, because it's just so incredible of a feat
in some ways, even though we know being so close

(35:07):
to it. Yeah, if he doesn't have the last name James,
I don't think he's in the NBA. I don't think
he's getting this shot right now. Maybe he is, but
I know I.

Speaker 8 (35:18):
Donoky has athletic upside. With no disrespect to him, he
was listed at six ' five the combine. He was
six two and a half or whatever it is. He's
not that great of an athlete. He's not that good
of a shooter. He's not so what exactly what what
is he bringing to the table now?

Speaker 10 (35:30):
Maybe he has.

Speaker 8 (35:31):
Great work ethic and he'll turn himself into a solid
rotation player, which I think is the best case scenario. Yeah,
that's a that's a big maybe.

Speaker 9 (35:37):
I I think I'm more down on him after having
seen the more and more tape that comes out. Yeah,
on Brownie James, even the stuff where it will look
at his defense go hard. He's playing there. He gets
blown by all the time. Like when he's gotten a
couple of rearview blocks, it's like, well, yeah, because he
got blown by, He's Yeah, I don't see any skill

(35:57):
set that stands out that makes him an n be
a player. I think he's honestly dangerously far away is
how I heard my buddy Jamal Christopher played dangerously far
where either he's gonna get hurt or hurt somebody else
by being so far out of position because he's just
not on this level at all.

Speaker 8 (36:15):
And look, I understand the politics of it. We debated
this with Bob as well, talking about why you draft him,
whether he can play or not. Maybe it doesn't matter.

Speaker 9 (36:21):
You have to appease Lebrona doesn't all that stuff.

Speaker 8 (36:24):
Sure, second round picks come and go.

Speaker 9 (36:25):
To be honest with you, pick fifty five's last ten years,
there's one of them in the NBA. Still it's Aaron Wiggins.

Speaker 8 (36:32):
A pretty solid player.

Speaker 9 (36:33):
Yeah, okay, see, of course Sam Presty. They've really got
that pick from the Clippers, by the way, I'm.

Speaker 8 (36:38):
Sure, and they have like fifty thousand more coming the
next couple of years of the OKAC does. But it's
if you're a player on the Lakers and you see
all this happening, and you've got reports about the fact
that he's only going to play in home games with
the Southway Lakers and he's going to be with the
big club like if you're a Hood Schafino. Now, granted,
maybe he shouldn't be in the NBA either, but all
these other players who know that Bronni James has zero

(37:01):
zero chance of making it into the NBA at least
right now has and should not be with the big club,
and he's flying with you on the charter left and right.
You have to feel some type of way about it. Now,
you're probably not gonna say anything about.

Speaker 9 (37:12):
It, right, but Lebron is the head of the Lakers
for an no how or however people think about it.
He has Genie Bus's ear.

Speaker 8 (37:20):
He does well if you're if you're a superstar player,
that's that's how Genie operates.

Speaker 9 (37:24):
So yeah, look, if you don't appreciate the Bubble Championship,
and I understand that they didn't have a parade, it
doesn't feel real or whatever, then you look at this
as Lebron infected the Lakers organization with clutch sports and
his tenure has been a complete failure. If you don't appreciate.

Speaker 8 (37:43):
That, I mean, I can appreciate what the Lakers were
before he got here.

Speaker 9 (37:46):
That's what I would done. It was awful. So people
have a short memory, apparently, because they had seven years
of doing absolutely nothing with bad draft picks, like it
was a mess.

Speaker 8 (37:57):
Yeah, there's a lot of as you mentioned, a lot
of Robert sockrays and stuff like that going around, you
know what I mean. So if you even if you
wanted to eliminate the Bubble championship, which I won't do,
but if people want to do it, fine, Independent of that,
you had to run to the conference finals. You've made
the postseason more than you haven't. I mean, that's more
than we can say from the seven years prior. With
Kobe Bryant on the roster.

Speaker 9 (38:17):
By the way, I think the real issue and this
is when you put it in context in that way
and go back a little bit further, the real issue
isn't Lebron. The issue is atairship upstairs, upstairs the front office.
At times. Why is Rob Polinka given player options to
Cam Reddish and Jackson Hayes, Like why are the of
course they were going to opt into it, like there

(38:38):
are some unless they were in.

Speaker 8 (38:39):
That desperate and they felt the only way that could
get even them right was to offer them player options.

Speaker 9 (38:44):
But they have the same flawed roster in a way
where I've been saying this for years too many one
dimensional guys good on one into the end of the court,
good on one end, bad on the other, and then
you try to piece together the right lineup to figure
that out. It's very difficult. So I think they have
that go far beyond anything with Lebron James.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
Well, and if you want to say Lebron James was
the head of the snake when it came to the
Westbrook thing, which honestly really blew everything up. You had
just won a championship. Now, whether you would have won
again in a re a setup of a regular season,
who knows. But you had a roster with decent depth,
with two way players like KCP and Kyle Kuzma, and
you blew all that up for Russell Westbrook. And now

(39:23):
you are still how many years ago I was in
now like four years five years now later, are still
feeling the effects of that with the roster construction that
you have now.

Speaker 9 (39:30):
Yeah, I mean, if the buck stops with you, if
eventually people are going to be looking your way, Rob Polinka,
maybe you should have put your foot down there correct
and not make that call correct correct play of people
did first guess that and say how is this going
to work?

Speaker 8 (39:46):
We certainly did. Yeah, I think most people, to be
honest with you, did.

Speaker 9 (39:50):
I agree. I agree. I just it's an oversimplification to
just say it's Lebron and clutch sports that is the
issue with the Lakers, when it is people above Hi
him either not willing to put the reins on Lebron
or just making poor decisions that go back much further
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star and things were much easier back than competitive wise
when it comes to the CBA and how you can
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so and levels of the playing field.

Speaker 8 (40:27):
Much more difficult rules. The playing field is level, and
they're owners who have so much more money than the
Bus family does, like so much more. The bus are
mom and pop family run and I'd say this probably
about thirty percent of the forty percent of the NBA
is still operate it that way. The majority of the
owners now.

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Speaker 8 (44:17):
These are just it's like the NFL. These are just
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Steve Balmer can pump in as much money on the
Clippers as he wants and still be fine even if
they lose millions of dollars every single year, doesn't bother him.
The Lakers lose millions of dollars a year, Jennie bus
is gonna have a heart attack. Yeah, you just can't
keep up.

Speaker 9 (44:34):
We don't always agree with Colin Cowherd, but I think
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Speaker 8 (44:41):
He's right. So if you're gonna and that's fine, you
can you can still win. I mean, Oklahoma City is
doing it. I'm not saying that it's not possible, but
you have to be that much more shrewd up top right,
and the idea of where la we want to take
superstars and it doesn't work that way because you can
be a superstar in Milwaukee or saying Anton. It's a
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Speaker 9 (45:04):
Players are a franchise unto themselves, right, just like with Lebron,
it's not just him, but just having a superstar anywhere
because NBA League Pass and the ability to see games
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(45:25):
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Speaker 8 (45:27):
Or even if they're evolving in the process of it,
now it's almost too late. And now you're trying to
play catch up.

Speaker 9 (45:31):
Remember how far behind they were with the analytics for
a while, they.

Speaker 8 (45:34):
Didn't have an apartment right as of like twenty and
like fourteen or twelve or something, they didn't even have
an analytic department.

Speaker 9 (45:40):
So they didn't exactly, yeah, catch up with the rest
of the league. They are falling behind, and they felt like,
we're the Lakers, though, so we can catch up. I
just bring in superstars. But then the new CBA comes
in it makes things much more difficult or you have
to give up so much to get those stars, and
the league is just far more competitive than it's ever.

Speaker 8 (46:00):
And as we mentioned a second ago, the stars don't
need you now. Lebron decided to come out here because
for other business interests. It's not because he just wanted
LA so he can be a Laker and be a
legacy Laker. I think a lot of people assume that
they know why a bigger reason as to why he
was coming here, and it was for above and beyond
basketball stuff. Now maybe that's still appeals to people like him,
but if for someone who just wants to play basketball,

(46:21):
like LaMarcus Aldridge or Carmelo Anthony at the time or
whoever else you know, Yeah, and they're just like, nah,
you showing just a billboards and me with sponsorships and
all that. Cameralo was like, I'm getting that in New York,
Like LaMarcus Aldiers was like, I just want to win.
I can give it. I can give a shit about.

Speaker 9 (46:37):
Endorsements because San Antonio the opposite of correct LA. Yeah,
with the way they run, I just want to win
basketball games. I think Lebron is in this place now,
and I'm going off with some of the comments he
has made over the past year, when he talks about retirement,
when he talks about his legacy, when he takes those,
you know, very brief moments to discuss his career because

(47:00):
it's not over yet. I think he feels like it's
all house bunny at this point, and he's already like
he's just lapping the field, like everything is a bonus
that he does out there.

Speaker 8 (47:10):
Well, I mean, what more? I mean, Sam's winning seven championships,
which I think we can probably safely say is not
going to happen. What more is there left for him
to do?

Speaker 9 (47:18):
Yeah, he's nothing. He can't catch MG in that way,
But can he improve his profile so much that he
just raises his was it Q rating? Sure to the
point where he's being talked about more, and that alone
helps his goat status, which he thinks he's all ready

(47:38):
to go.

Speaker 8 (47:39):
And look, I think we've discussed I think he has
a stake to that. Oh he does to a certain degree.

Speaker 9 (47:43):
So I'm saying, I mean, but okay him.

Speaker 8 (47:45):
He had a third straight triple double last night, the
oldest player have three consecutive triple doubles and he's still
playing amazing and he's getting older, so he's padding the stats, right,
and maybe by the time he you know, by the
time he retires, who may be the all time leader
in scoring and assists and be third in rebounding or
whatever gonna end up being. I don't know if that's
gonna make a lot of people think much differently of
if he retired today versus he retires four years from now.

(48:07):
I don't think my opinion of him or his legacy's
gonna change, especially if he doesn't win another championship. It's
all the same for me. This is all window dressing,
is just padding stats.

Speaker 9 (48:15):
I mean, it is impressive to see a guy and
I know Lebron did you know he's only forty years old?
Did you know Matthew Stafford and Clayton Kurshall went to
high school together? It gets old talking about it. It's
still you have to awe at somebody his age doing
what he's doing. We are taking it for granted in
some ways when you look at past great players and
how they age versus Lebron James, it's night and day difference.

(48:37):
You can make the argument at his best, he's still
a top ten player in the league and he's about
to turn fucking forty. Yeah, so we're never gonna see
anything like that again. But I still think it goes
back to he believes that this is all about the
future one hundred years from now. This stuff is gonna
help his goat argument, like with having Brownie his son

(48:59):
in the league, because people aren't gonna over scrutinize it
as much. Then they're just going to talk about how
remarkable it is, and they're just going to look at
the stats. Then when he was forty and say how
was this happening? Instead of saying, ah, this is stat
pat and stuff and you know the Lebron Hayter stuff.
That stuff fizzles away. I think over time and all

(49:19):
the people just start to appreciate it, and haters are
gonna die out.

Speaker 8 (49:23):
This is numping up your heart.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Let that hate out.

Speaker 9 (49:25):
Skin Baylest's got a foot in the grave.

Speaker 8 (49:27):
Now there's gonna be people who never saw him play,
and all they're gonna have is highlights in stat sheets.

Speaker 9 (49:32):
Yeah, because people do that with Wilt Chamberlain without any
context and don't realize, Yeah, nobody could average fifty and
twenty five reboards in today's game because they had like
thirty more possessions per game. Back then, he was playing
forty eight minutes.

Speaker 8 (49:46):
Again, he was also taller than everybody else, much taller
than everybody else.

Speaker 9 (49:50):
There's eight teams in the league right there, weren't. The
amount of the talent pool has grown so much since then,
it's not the same. So yeah, I think Lebron is
going after the long game right now, and that's probably
something he talks about with his crew, with Maverick Carter
and the guys in Rich Paul.

Speaker 8 (50:09):
One thing I'll say about the current iteration of the Lakers,
there's a lot that has not changed. They're still not
that good defensively. They do look better offensively under JJ Redick.
They're running more modern sets, they're shooting more threes. Dalton
Connector rookie who we liked coming out of Tennessee, had
a great game last night, and I think that's a positive.

Speaker 9 (50:24):
You can take the hell did they get him? And
that pisses me off.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
I don't. I still don't understand how he feil that.

Speaker 9 (50:28):
Far for that. Absolutely, yeah, they got the fifth best
offensive raider right now.

Speaker 8 (50:32):
Yeah, But the problem is I think they're like twenty
ninth in defensive rating or something so, and especially their
transition defense has been I don't know if it's been
historically bad, but.

Speaker 9 (50:41):
It's been really bad that yeah, So I don't know.

Speaker 8 (50:43):
I mean, yes, I think JJ has done a lot
of things to help them offensively but defensively. And this
goes back to your point of them having just too
many one trick ponies. There's only so much that a
coach can do when there is a talent deficit, or
there's the deficiencies with how the roster is built, and
I think that shows itself on the defensive end.

Speaker 9 (51:00):
I like the decision with bringing de Lo off the bench.
I agree that makes all the sense in the world.

Speaker 8 (51:04):
You need some scoring off the bench with say desperately
don't have and if Connect gets more comfortable and you
have him Andy Lo coming off the bench, you might
have something.

Speaker 9 (51:10):
And you just can't have two guys in your starting
lineup that are that important, that have the ball in
their hands that much on the offensive end. I get it,
But be that bad on the defensive end and you
think who's gonna make up for it all? Anthony Davis,
It's not that easy. It's obviously not happening right now.
For AD there's still a bottom five defense. So how
do you have d Lo and Austin Reeves in your

(51:33):
starting five and you think you're going to be an
elite defense. How are you going to have that balance?

Speaker 8 (51:37):
Yeah, and the issue is with Anthony Davis, and he's
been remarkable offensively and they've done a lot of good
things with him. But if this was eight years ago,
he could probably be the Bell Kyle on both ends
of the floor. Yeah, he can't do that now. He's
just I don't think he's equipped. If you want him
to go all out on one side of the ball,
I think he can do that. If you want it
to take the responsibility offensively off of his shoulders, I
think he can be the defensive stopper. I don't know,

(51:59):
as great as a player as he still is, and
I think he's probably on the back end of his
prime at this point in time. I just don't know
if he can do both on a night in, night
out basis.

Speaker 9 (52:06):
He's an older thirty one because of all the little
ragging injuries over the years.

Speaker 8 (52:10):
Yeah, I mean he's been in the Lease since he
was eighteen, So yeah, thirty one is not thirty like
you or me thirty one. It's you know, he might
as well be thirty nine.

Speaker 9 (52:16):
He's had plenty of playoff runs. And this plantar fasci itis. Oh,
it's a bitch. I had to deal with it, trust me, same,
I've never gotten rid of it. I've had it for
like fifteen years. You know how I got it? Long
drives to work from Wittier. Does it here in verbe?
But just my right foot on the gas pedal.

Speaker 8 (52:33):
I did find some shoes that might be able to
help you, though, do Balance. No, they're not new Balance,
it's a different brand. They're very they're very dad looking
for lack of a better turn that they're comfortable to
help your plantar.

Speaker 9 (52:42):
You know, I can be a fake ass dad. If
it's gonna help my plantar fasci itis, I'll do anything.

Speaker 8 (52:46):
Okay, good, I'll send you a link. Do't worry about
it now.

Speaker 9 (52:49):
Does it stretch out the bottom of my foot? Do
I have to wear like a sock while I sleep
or whatever?

Speaker 8 (52:53):
No, it's not one of those. But what it is,
it's flat. It's actually no soul whatsoever. Keeps your foot
flat to the ground.

Speaker 9 (53:00):
No soul, just like if I was a ginger, you.

Speaker 8 (53:03):
Can say that.

Speaker 9 (53:04):
Just kidding.

Speaker 8 (53:05):
They got workout shoes, they got walking shoes. They have
all different types, all right, So I'll send them on
your way and hook you up.

Speaker 9 (53:11):
I'll do some Christopher walking shoes. I'll do it all.

Speaker 8 (53:14):
Yeah. So the plants are situation is not gonna heal
itself anytime soon. So that's something Anthony Davis is gonna
have to deal with pretty much all season long.

Speaker 9 (53:21):
Yeah, I'm kind of concerned about you.

Speaker 12 (53:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (53:23):
The only thing about that, only thing you can really
do about that. You can try to, like do some
stretches and exercises, but you pretty much just want to
stay off of your foot.

Speaker 9 (53:28):
Well, it only feels like there's a knife that's the
bottom of your foot when it's really inflame.

Speaker 8 (53:33):
I will say usually, and different cases are different. Some
people had to like Justin Herbert had to have surgery.
He had a plant or fasciat injury. Not actually plants
are frashy itis. It usually gets you in the morning,
you've been sleeping elevated all night and it's almost like
you're stepping on a bed of coals, like you're in
fear factor. Back in the day, with Joe Rogan yelling.

Speaker 9 (53:50):
At you, I would prefer stepping on a lego than
having plantar fascia itis.

Speaker 8 (53:53):
I would agree, I would agree. But once you get
up and moving and walking around and running, it's usually,
if not a thousand better, it's much better and much
more manageable.

Speaker 9 (54:02):
Yeah, kind of loosen it up.

Speaker 8 (54:04):
So that's so, I will say at the very release,
it's not that debilitating once you're actually on the court
and actually moving a little bit.

Speaker 9 (54:09):
And they have all the best trainers in the world.
But yeah, for a guy who's injury prone, he's thirty
one now and is being asked to do so much,
I'd be concerned if I was a Laker fan, extremely
extremely at this point. So this is co stars only
turning forty. He can just carry the load, right?

Speaker 8 (54:24):
Why the hell?

Speaker 15 (54:25):
Not? All?

Speaker 8 (54:26):
Right? Oh, you know what, I think we have a
special guest getting ready to join us here, Adam. It's
been a long time.

Speaker 9 (54:31):
I'm excited about this. This is important. That question starts
the show the right way when we bring it back.

Speaker 8 (54:37):
Is he excited about this? Well, because that varies depending
on the day. So that's the question.

Speaker 9 (54:44):
We're all a little moody in the morning. Sometimes. You know,
I'm not saying he is.

Speaker 8 (54:47):
Well, let's find out.

Speaker 9 (54:49):
Saying that plants are fasci eye just can make you moody.

Speaker 13 (54:52):
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Well, we knew with our first show and what feels
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whether or not that it makes you think of Vout
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Speaker 10 (55:15):
I'm okay, thank you for having me. I'm glad that
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Speaker 9 (55:21):
Well, appreciate the love secret Texos Salon blowing up, Matt shit,
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Speaker 10 (55:36):
Well, you're not supposed to do that, and too many
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Speaker 10 (59:25):
D In the winter and in the summer, you're not
allowed to practice with a football with coaches, which is
why it's up to the quarterbacks generally to organize seven
on seven stuff and stuff like that in the off
season so you can work with a football. I remember
Mike Riley the old oc at SC when I was there,

(59:49):
taking us deep into the bowels of the pe building,
the old building where the cocoon pool is, and taking
us down there and covering up the window on one
of the racquetball courts with a piece of paper and
pulling out a duffel bag. And in the duffel bag
was a football wrapped in a towel, and we worked

(01:00:12):
on with the football you know it was illegal what
we were doing, so I think that is the violation.
I think the only reason it's interesting to people is
because Lincoln Riley is not performing so and they're underneath
a really really huge contract with a gigantic buyout, so

(01:00:32):
it makes it a very difficult situation. Everybody's wondering how
do they get out from under this? Well, part of
the reason they're looking so deeply at this is can
they fire him for cause? Probably not, but that was
the only reason it really kind of caught my eye
the USC violations. Otherwise they pay forty thousand dollars and
it's a year of fake probation, and like you mentioned

(01:00:54):
and NCAA that barely still exists, you.

Speaker 8 (01:00:58):
Pop up on Lincoln Riley and not performed as far
as USC on the field, they are dangerously flirting with
not making a Bowl game, and they probably aren't based
on how they're playing right now. The question I have
for you, as someone who was a great running back
at USC in your day, Lincoln Riley cultivated some really
good running games. Knew was a Oklahoma some I JP
Ryan and mixing and all that. He has woody marks.
Who's average I think close to six yards of carry.

(01:01:20):
Why aren't they running the ball more?

Speaker 10 (01:01:22):
Well, I don't think Lincoln Riley wants to. I mean,
I don't think that that's part of what spells success
to him. It's clear. I mean, the best player on
their offense is Woody Marx. He weak in and weaken out.
He's had. It feels like it's pulling teeth when when
they have to call run plays or they're doing it

(01:01:42):
to spite you, you know, like the end of the
Washington game. Yeah, so it is. It is interesting. You know,
why did he do it so much at Oklahoma? Well,
those were offenses developed by Bob Stoops and under Bob Stoops,
and he wasn't going to stray too far from the
path of what was built there in the foundation, even

(01:02:03):
if he was the head coach. So yeah, it's confounding,
I think to people. I think more upsetting is he
doesn't really act like a head coach. He's very quick
to make excuses. He is not seen talking to any
players other than the quarterback, and there's a lot of
rumors that he rarely comes out of his office in

(01:02:25):
the building. So none of that spell's victory. None of
that spells a formula for success, and I think in
their last sixteen games he's six and ten. So USC
is nowhere near where they need to be in the
Big ten with Lincoln Riley at the helm. But where
is the relief coming and what will they do and

(01:02:45):
how will it work?

Speaker 9 (01:02:47):
That remains to be seen that LSU win though, I
mean it seems.

Speaker 10 (01:02:51):
Like years, but that turns out to be the anomaly.
Right in that game, USC tackled in the open field
in that game. US he was the more discipline and
team in that game. US. He ran the ball a
little bit and controlled the football in that game, the
quarterback was really accurate and showed leadership and good body language.
So the rest of the season kind of didn't really

(01:03:14):
unfold that way. And it's not only a huge disappointment
for USC, it's also a black eye to West Coast football,
and only Oregan and Organ's existence sure is kind of
making things okay in the interim.

Speaker 8 (01:03:29):
So, I mean, we know he has a humongous buy out.
You know, you said they were probably trying to see
if they can fire him for calls. Do you think
there's any possibility that they buy him out and let
him go this offseason? Or they try to nudge him
and say, hey, you want to be an OC in
the NFL, Right, do you want to follow your buddy
Chim Kelly to the NFL and do that?

Speaker 10 (01:03:43):
I'm not sure. I mean, they'd have to make him
feel so unwelcome, yeah, yeah, and he would do that.
You know, none of those things seem likely at this point.
I mean, there are people that are worth billions of
dollars that support USC. But the last guy that paid
a ninety million dollar buyout to get rid of Clay Helton,
who is actually better than Lincoln Riley, believe it or not,

(01:04:04):
ye that they paid a ninety million dollars buyout. That
was Rick Caruso because he was attaching it to a
mayor mayoral bid which failed. And I don't know if
he's going to come up with another ninety million or
run for mayor again.

Speaker 9 (01:04:19):
P you mentioned the number one team in the country,
my Oregon Ducks. Is this the best Ducks team ever?
Are they going to get it done? Are they going
to win it for the Pac twelve? In a way?

Speaker 10 (01:04:28):
I don't know, they're good. I mean, we still have
a few games to go, and Dan Lanning has not
exactly shown himself to be a genius in tight games.
And if Will Howard doesn't make a bad decision, it's
probably maybe a different situation as far as their wins
or losses. But they're great. They're very good. You know.
The organ of my time was a strong discipline football

(01:04:50):
team under Mike Pollatti, under the Rich Brooks model, and
they only ran a few pass plays, but they did
it really well. They all ran the ball. They had
really good backs like Ruben Drones at Anaheim, guys like that,
and they played solid defense. And then Chip Kelly came
and made it the whole space and pace and a
lot of the evolution of college football in its time.

(01:05:13):
And then Mario Christobal kind of started this real attention
to the offensive and defensive fronts and that has continued
and compounded under Landing to where if you're a great
offensive lineman on the West Coast, you used to go
to a place like USC to be developed. Well, USC
doesn't want to run the ball, it's clear, and those

(01:05:34):
players are going to Oregon, and Oregon is the one that,
like USC used to be, that you can't push them
around at the light of scrimmage and they are not
folding like some West Coast teams do when they're met
with that challenge, and that speaks to the program up there,
the state of the program up there, the sustained success

(01:05:57):
that they've had, and USC's lack thereof both of those
things I think are happening in a parallel way. And
USC is just not that team anymore, and Oregon is,
which is amazing because Eugene is a small place. But
the power of West Coast football, especially with Kaylen divorces departure.

(01:06:17):
Remember he beat Oregon three times in the last two years.
The power shift in the West Coast is clearly in Eugene.

Speaker 8 (01:06:26):
Someone who put it on Oregon pretty good this year
was Ashton GenZ. Now, granted it wasn't a losing effort,
but he's been amazing and you've seen him a couple
of times. I just what kind of player is he
to you? How did you project to the next level?
What do you like? What you when you're watching Ashton GenZ?

Speaker 10 (01:06:40):
Well, I mean, he's a really fun coach player. The
coaches just absolutely adore him, and they say that he
is a ten out of ten as a human being.
And you get that about a lot of guys, but
you get the impression that that is the case when
it comes to Gent, and then beyond that is really
hard to tackle. He doesn't go down, he absorbs contact.

(01:07:04):
He's really really fast as far as long form running
speed that you don't think a guy that size would
have as big as his legs are and stuff. Usually
those guys start to putter out around twenty five thirty
yards even at the pro level, but he does not.
He's got long home run speed. He's got just a wicked, angry,

(01:07:27):
straight arm and a crazy will to be successful. And
I think success for Boise is to get him to
New York City. I don't know what's gonna happen with.

Speaker 9 (01:07:36):
The playoffs, better get there and all that.

Speaker 10 (01:07:39):
Yeah, and I think he's at that point. I think
the hype is going to carry him through November here
and maybe he wins it. I don't know. Maybe Travis
Hunter gets hurt or they lose a couple of games.
But I do think that that Genty is the best
running back. I put him up there with a lot
of guys that I've done their games. I try to
think back of other players I've seen that are Gent's level,

(01:08:00):
like Toby Gerhart and Reggie and Lynn Dale and Marshawn
Lynch and maybe even Javid Best though his career was
cut short in the NFL due to injury. You know,
he's right there with the best running backs I've ever
been a part of in the broadcasts.

Speaker 9 (01:08:16):
Well, you're right there with the other best people we've
ever been a part of broadcasting business. So appreciate you
doing this, Patros. We know you're very busy today. How
many games you call in this weekend? Where can we
find you? Just I got to this week.

Speaker 10 (01:08:30):
I need to. I got Washington State and New Mexico.
Washington State's eight and one, they're ranked, Yeah, they are ranked.
They're at New Mexico and New Mexico's improving week in
and week out. Bronco menden Hall is one of the
most interesting coaches that I've ever come across. Really cerebral guy.
And then we have Arizona versus Houston on Friday night,

(01:08:55):
which is an exciting matchup a Houston team that's surging
and an Arizona a team that no one can figure
out why they're not that great.

Speaker 8 (01:09:02):
Yeah, Arizona had a lot of expectations coming into this year,
and just to say they've fallen. Well, beneath is a
is a giant understatement. Uh pee, thank you as much
as we appreciate you coming on as often as you
do here on the podcast. As Adams said, it's been
a busy time for you, busy day for you. So
thank you for spending a couple of minutes with little
old less on thefne Poe.

Speaker 10 (01:09:19):
Well, I'm pleased to do so. And next time I'll
do an extra five minutes.

Speaker 8 (01:09:23):
Oh perfect, I'm gonna mark that down. Make sure market eight,
market eight. Thank you pee?

Speaker 10 (01:09:27):
All right, thanks guys, there he is the op been.

Speaker 8 (01:09:29):
A long time.

Speaker 9 (01:09:30):
Yeah, we missed that guy. I missed all this.

Speaker 8 (01:09:32):
And if you guys want to take you know, a
shot at us for not asking questions about John Robinson.
He he waxed poetically about John Robinson on Petrolson Matt
from a couple of days ago, So check out their
podcast about that. Our time with Petrols was limited today, so.

Speaker 9 (01:09:46):
We'd be biting a real show if we asked him
about that. He already did it, So.

Speaker 10 (01:09:49):
Trying to bite a real show.

Speaker 8 (01:09:50):
I just don't want you to be like, what kind
of host are you? Guys? He played for John Robinson,
who just I recognize that we were strapped for time,
and he already addressed it. So go check out the
Petroson Money Show from Tuesday, I believe and petros address.
He did a full segment talking about his relationship and
the legacy of the great John Robinson, who was the
coach at USC and for the Rams.

Speaker 9 (01:10:08):
I mean, I wasn't about to not ask him about
the work and ducks. I've been wearing this hat, yeah,
fifteen years, ye have to it wasn't from yellow to brown.
I'm known for this hat.

Speaker 8 (01:10:16):
And for USC, he said. Abot falling under expectations. I
mean after they started the season, people are like, oh,
we're going to the National championship game.

Speaker 9 (01:10:21):
After they beat LSU, I thought Moss was the future.
I thought my Panthers were gonna draft him this year.

Speaker 8 (01:10:26):
It probably still can't do much worse than you know,
Andy Dalton at that one game against the Raiders, Oh dude,
and then we realized he was the backup Andy Dalton.
He was prime time Andy Dalton. But all through the
entire season is what it's turned into. And now Bryce
Young is back in there and he's still running for
his life and throwing interceptions left right unless he's playing
the Giants, and then you can get a win. See
there's a team that they're better then.

Speaker 9 (01:10:46):
Have they won two in a row? They beat the
Satson than the Giants?

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
Right, look at that, you're on a streak. I'm god,
damn it. You fuck up the draft pick anyway, It
doesn't that really, you take.

Speaker 9 (01:10:57):
The Panthers are proving that ownership is the biggest advantage
in sports, and they got the worst.

Speaker 8 (01:11:02):
They really do. The Tepper, Yeah, well, don't don't let
him hear you say that, because we'll yell at you
about it. He'll try to get your thrown out of
the stadium.

Speaker 9 (01:11:07):
He'll pull over in his car and try to fight
people at a restaurant if they say, like fire Tepper
outside on the shopboard. Didn't that happen?

Speaker 10 (01:11:16):
I think so.

Speaker 9 (01:11:17):
Actually, the Jaguars thing definitely happened. Fans face it did.

Speaker 8 (01:11:21):
He got fine for it. Which, Yeah, let's find a
multi billionaire a couple of thousand dollars. I'm sure that
I really put a dent into him.

Speaker 9 (01:11:26):
It's a disgrace. He really vote his ass out.

Speaker 8 (01:11:28):
Yeah, look, Jerry Richardson was not perfect. No by any stretch,
such a better owner. Yes, some football operations standpoint than
David Tepper if.

Speaker 9 (01:11:39):
He did he actually bought the Panthers. Are we back
or what? Well?

Speaker 8 (01:11:49):
We were back? Kicked off of the iHeart Radio.

Speaker 9 (01:11:53):
Has he been convicted yet?

Speaker 8 (01:11:55):
Uh No, I think that trial, that whole situation is.
I don't know if the trial itself is actual even
started yet.

Speaker 9 (01:12:01):
You remember he was gonna buy the Panthers.

Speaker 8 (01:12:03):
Oh he was, He absolutely was. Okay, Well, the NFL
dodge to pull it on that one Pete Day is
the worst.

Speaker 9 (01:12:08):
All I'm saying is people who say we can't play
his music anymore? What the were you just listening to
a Halloween with Thriller being played every other song by Michael.

Speaker 8 (01:12:18):
Jackson amazes the out of me.

Speaker 9 (01:12:19):
If you're not gonna listen to Diddy anymore, it's just
because his music sucked. It's not about this.

Speaker 8 (01:12:25):
And that's Dinny, that's r Kelly, that's Michael Jackson, that's
Chuck Berry, that's Jerry Lee. I mean, there's a laundry
list of guys. If you want to be get on
your moral high horse of songs, you shouldn't be listening
to keep content. Are movies you shouldn't watch or whatever else.

Speaker 9 (01:12:39):
You know, you can't only do it when it's convenient
to you, when it's an artist you already didn't like.
And then you get on the moral high ground and
be like, oh, yeah, I'm not listening to Pete Diddy anymore. Well,
that's just because most of his music sucked. Now the
stuff with with with Puff Daddy and family back to
the day, of course, Now that's different. I want to
be able to listen to victory and not how to

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worry about things. What's a great song?

Speaker 8 (01:13:02):
Just don't tell anybody and just turned your Spotify to
private listening and nobody will criticize you.

Speaker 9 (01:13:05):
You got to realize shit from front to.

Speaker 8 (01:13:08):
Back, unless somebody sees your phone and they take a
screenshot of it and put it up there and say, listen,
this is what your Clippers Talk. Guys listening to this
is part of his workout playlist.

Speaker 9 (01:13:16):
I mean, I've watched all the TMZ news about Diddy.
I know it's awful, but it's all awful. Like, how
do you separate the artists the artists from the artist's
personal thing?

Speaker 10 (01:13:26):
It is?

Speaker 8 (01:13:27):
It is the clippers at Clippers Talk on YouTube go
follow it. Adam does amazing content on there, Like I
said a lot of times, breaking news videos like he
did yesterday. Right after the pau George clip was circulating
on social media, Adam jumped off of the trip mail
and sprinted home like signed with the Hedgehog to get
a Clippers Talk podcast up for you guys.

Speaker 9 (01:13:46):
You saw that I did now I had tails lift
my ass home helicopter me home.

Speaker 8 (01:13:52):
Does the Clippers Talk after dark? He did that last night,
got into it a little bit more.

Speaker 9 (01:13:56):
I had five uffloads yesterday.

Speaker 8 (01:13:58):
I love it turning out that content like a true
content creator man, like a true personality. I'm all for it.

Speaker 9 (01:14:03):
It's something, so uh yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:14:05):
Follow them at Clippers Talk, follow them on Twitter at
follow out inm A, I m at kfig one on
Twitter X excuse me, I'm old, so I keep calling
it Twitter. Still ad on Instagram at fn A show,
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Speaker 9 (01:14:20):
Thank you, bre we miss you. She'll be in here.

Speaker 8 (01:14:23):
She'll be back next time for sure.

Speaker 9 (01:14:24):
Yeah, we missed all you guys.

Speaker 8 (01:14:26):
We did honestly, and the talkass hotline is still open,
by the way, in case you were wondering n eight
eleven ninety seven. If you want to call and leave
your opinion on the Talkcast hotline about whatever might be on.

Speaker 4 (01:14:36):
Your mind, go on, talk some shit.

Speaker 8 (01:14:38):
We give you the platform to be able to do that.

Speaker 9 (01:14:40):
You want to rat on the panthers and pile on
some more, go ahead, I'm aware how bad things are.

Speaker 8 (01:14:45):
You're gonna kick a cat while it's down there, you.

Speaker 9 (01:14:46):
Go, black cat, cursed ass cat.

Speaker 10 (01:14:49):
It really is.

Speaker 8 (01:14:51):
All right, Thank you guys. We appreciate the love. We're
back at it the f and A podcast. We'll talk
to you guys next week.

Speaker 18 (01:14:59):
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Oh, can't listen to the next part.

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