July 17, 2025 • 44 mins
Matt Money Smith with George Wrighster in for petros talk college football with Dan Wolken.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I have not failed. I've just found a thousand ways
that won't work. Lookongbayukes, Petros and Money Heym five to
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
App full four hour.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Show today it is the slowest day in sports. That
was yesterday, the day after the All Star Game. There
is nothing on the sports calendar. Petros is celebrating by
partaking in Mountain West Media Days Mountain West Football Media
Days out in Las Vegas. We may or may not
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check in with him yesterday. Don mcclin was in a
big thank you to Don for spending four hours with
us today. He has been in before, but it is
my maiden voyage and based on the prep zone activity
we were just doing for the last hour and a
half or so, hanging out, very excited to get rolling
for the next four hours with the great George. Reister George,
thanks for coming in.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Man, Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am happy
to be here, man.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It is warm outside, great view ish.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I saw a drone floating around while we were in
the prep zone. And because our studio is adjacent to
KFI Studio, I just get a little nervous, you know,
because the Menanda's brothers won a murder Tim Conway Junior,
so he's got that. John Cobelt has countless enemies. He
took on I can't remember the name of the Korean
boy band b BS BTS YEP. Took them on and
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there were about three hundred Korean kids, teenagers that looked
like they were going to rip him limb from limb.
So there was that The unions have been out there before.
So when I see a drone float and I'm like, hey,
we gotta get signage. We got to get not us
to the left, you know, drone with the robot k
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in and on it. John is in the next studio.
This is just great sports sports. But listen, we're gonna
talk about college football, about Jim Harbaugh, but not enough
to send a drone over exactly right. So earlier I
saw the drone. I don't know how I got on
that topic. I apologize, But we got four hours and
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we're gonna do it with George. We're gonna do it
with guests. Jose Mota is gonna join us in the
four o'clock hour to talk some Dodger baseball. In the
very next segment, as George one of the best college
football minds out there, and I know you have. I
can promote a million things that you do because you're
one of the hardest working men in the in the industry.
But I know, really kind of the thing that's taken
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off for you is your YouTube channel. Yes, and that's
kind of People have a thirst. They have a great
thirst for good college football knowledge. Obviously you do everything
in the world of sports as you host your own
radio show, but but people want to know that hell
is college football. I don't understand how my team has
made I don't recognize half these players. My quarterback is
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now playing for his third team when he was my quarterback,
and it is a very confused No, I'm just saying, figure.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I was, I was like, which I was like, which
quarterback is he talking about?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Because there's a couple of options. Well, I mean you're
your alma mater, uh is you know? Dante Moore signing
with the Bruins was one of those Damn they got
a they got a five star kid.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yes, he flipped. He's flipping the week. So he was
committed to Oregon, flips to u C l A. And
then after a year he's like, I'm out. Yeah, And
it's funny because I've had a chance to talk to
the kid, and you know, I am excited about him
because physically, right when you see the kid throw the
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throw the ball, he is spectacular. It will get any
coach excited. But obviously football is played with with people
in front of you and between the ear processor. Yeah,
and so I have given him a mulligan for the
u c L a year because I talked to him
and he was like, I wasn't ready to play. I
went there to play early, didn't realize what I was
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getting getting myself into. I wasn't quite ready. Yes, yes,
you get elevated to the level of your incompetency. And
he got elevated because there was nobody else and so
and he ended and he had some good moments in
the first couple of games. And also his mom got
diagnosed with cancer in the beginning of that season, and
he was like, I just didn't deal with any of
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it well. And he said, that's why I went to
Oregon to go sit for a year. He was like,
I went there knowing that I was yes and that
I was going to sit for a year.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And I felt like that that was the best.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Thing for me, and that actually lend lent to me like,
oh my god, this is a kid who's self aware
and said, Okay, I made a mistake. I'm not gonna
keep going down this same path and I'm gonna take
the the humble route that as talented as I am,
I know I'm not starting and I'm just going to
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sit and learn behind a guy who has experience. He's
a good leader, go with a good coach, and now
he's gonna get his opportunity to show who he is.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Now. Remind me is how did Dylan Gabriel get to Oregon?
And it was it was ucl CF by the way
of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But he was supposed to go to u c l
A right from Yeah, and then they brought in I
can't remember who they brought in, Oh u c l A.
And then Dylan Gabriel's like, I'm out of here. He
goes to Oklahoma, that's the huge year, then goes to Oregon. Yes,
and then the guy that I think it was, I
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think it was Dante Moore. Yes, that's what it was.
Dylan Gabriel was coming here, yes, and then more commits yep,
and he's like and then he decides to go. If
you think about now both of them are at organ yes,
and then you think about it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Oklahoma kind of pushed Dylan out the door because they're like,
we got this young gun Jackson Darnold Jackson Arnold right,
and who's now at Auburn right because they didn't like
him last year.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's Mayhem Petros was talking about it earlier in the week,
and I had never really thought about it through that lens.
But since he said it, I can't stop repeating it.
You know, fans, because you know, you look at me.
I'm not someone who could play at a high level
of athletics. So what do I get excited about roster construction?
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You know, the idea that oh, I've I've got I've
got a good enough eye, and I've got a brain,
and I could make this work and I can build
a team, and that's what fans do, and so they
get excited about it. But in college football it's become
so unsavory. Just the money, the oh they promised me
this much money, the nicoeam my ava I want to
raise from my and this coach is now left. Then
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this person is being sued, and this collective didn't pay
their bill that it's off. Seasons are typically like in
the NBA, the trade deadline, free agency is more popular
than the games, regular season games. In college football, it's
the opposite. It's like, God, can we just get to
the games so we can stop talking about.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And and the and the reason why is because there
is no central leadership body. Because if you if you had,
NCAA is toothless. Yes, yes, they they have no power.
They don't even control the championship for football an independent business, yes,
so so the there has to be one direction. And
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that's the thing that that's the reason why MLB, the NBA,
NFL have success, the NHL because everybody is moving in
one direction, right and they and the owners have said, okay,
yes with some things don't necessarily favor us, but.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
The whole goal is to make more money. I mean,
that's that's the goal to lead. It's a business.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
And the issue with college football is everybody's after power.
So you have the SEC who wants the most power.
So does the Big ten, So does the ACC, So
there's the Big twelve. So they're all in a fight
over power and market share. Instead of imagine Matt, how
much money that they would make if they all negotiated
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their meteorites together, they would make way more money. But
the problem is is that Greg Sancey, the SEC commissioner,
the Big Ten commissioner, acc.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
They're like, no, no, no, I'm the commissioner.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
When there needs to be a central head, and college
football and college sports in general all needs to be
headed in one direction, one direction, and until you get
one direction and then you have some collective bargaining with
the players and then that individual entity.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Until that happens, you're going through f chaos.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, and I think you know, unlike professional sports, where
it's it's cyclical, the pendulum swings suspend. The reason why
the NFL is the most popular sport, really the most
popular form of entertainment in America is because everyone's got
a chance. There's always a worse to first. There's always
a Washington Commanders of last year. There is always a
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team that was picking in the top five that the
next year is going to win their division or make
a deep run. And it's compelling. In college football, they
the SEC and the blue bloods can't get over the
fact that they believe there is such a giant chasm
between what they are worth and what pick your favorite ATACS?
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And you know we can't split the pie evenly. That's
not okay.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And I've had this discussion with people and they're like, well,
college football has been like this forever.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I said, yes, you are right.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
However, people's viewing habits have changed, their expectations have changed.
Are our attentions fans have changed? And if we are
not forward thinking right? Because I believe that every college
football fan base needs to be able to believe. Now
mind you, the actuality in that is different, but that
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they need to believe that within a three year period,
if I hire the right coach, recruit the bright players,
get the right players in the transfer portal, we can
have a chance to win the conference championship and get
in the playoffs. Everybody needs to have that hope, not
just twenty teams when the season starts, right, because you're
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going to dilute the product, because people are going to eventually,
because of how they have shown their viewing habits in
other areas, they're going to say, why am I showing
up to the game if we have no chance? And
I'm an Oregon guy, so my team has been doing
well for a long time, like pretty much twenty plus years. Yeah, so,
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and do I ever want Oregon to be back, know how,
I do believe that for the bet for the betterment
of college football that they're neat. Things need to be cyclical.
You look at the Chargers when when Philip Rivers was
the quarterback. They're going through the playoffs pretty much every year,
winning double digit games, all that stuff, right, but then
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they went through a low, but they were terrible. The Chiefs,
who are great now, they were through a low when
they were terrible, right, every that's the nature of it.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But the problem is, and that's why it works. I mean, heck,
Oklahoma City in Indiana, two small market teams that are
battling for the n c for the NBA Championship. The
NCAA Tournament is one of the great equalizers because it
is a one and done. You've got to win seven
games in a row. That is really hard to do.
And that's why you can have those Cinderella stories. And
I think if you look, it's never gonna happen. It's
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just it's too late. We're I we're closer to the
idea of one super conference of fifty teams where they
can then negotiate what you're speaking to. Right, it's a
forty and all of these teams are going to crawl
shirtless over broken glass while on fire to get into
that that's super Conference. So and everything else, I'm just
gonna get shoved the side.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So I got a question for you. So I talked
to Kyle witting him. I got a chance to interview
him in April. Still swollen, Yes, still dude. So we
scheduled the the interview surrounding his workout because he worked
out for an hour day. So, and he said this,
He said that within five years he believes that there
will be a that the Super Conference will be alive. Dude,
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as a man who covers college sports as well, do
you believe that to be true?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I don't because I think everything that you're speaking to
for it to be the only way that it will work.
That's and look, it'll be it'll be a tug of
war over who gets to become commissioner of the Super Conference. Yes,
but they're going to recognize that we will be able
to double triple yes our worth if we have a
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conference of forty teams and all forty of them have
a chance. Yes, that's better than one hundred and thirty
two teams where ten of them have a chance.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yes, but the people over at Ohio State, the people
over at Georgia at Alabama are gonna say hell no, no, no, no,
we deserve more money because we won more championships.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
We deserve more.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
And then everybody's gonna be like no, no, everybody, sorry, right, sorry,
but this you need to play someone.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yes, there needs to be a schedule, There needs to
be more than twelve teams in your league. So sorry,
this is how competitive balance works, and we're able to
keep and I think the thing, you're gonna make more money.
That's what I was gonna say. That's and guess what,
You're still gonna make all that money. And then some
get over the idea this is. This is not gonna
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go over well, but I'm gonna say it anyway, and
understand it is not necessarily my position. I'm trying to
think of how I can put this into content. I
am a proponent of one of two approaches to taxing
the American public. A flat tax where you do not
get any deductions, and people that have means can find
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loopholes and back channels to keep as much of their
money as possible to avoid paying tax a flat tax.
This is what you're paying, period, and it's going to
be a butt ton of money because you make a
lot of money. The people that don't like the idea
of a progressive tax because they don't think people that
have wealth pay enough into the system. What they don't
realize is they still put a lot of money into
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the system.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
There's still a job.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So I know you think they should put more as
a percentage, but it's still a lot of money. I
make that parallel because that's what Georgia and Michigan would
have to understand. Yes, you feel like you're paying more
into the kitty because of your name brand, but you
have to because they don't have as much to put
into the kitty with you. But we're all in this
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together for it to move forward. That's how this has
to work.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
So that's and I was trying to think of a
way to explain this to two people about the conferences
and all of that stuff. So imagine you are at
work and you work for a normal corporate job, and
there is a manager, right, so instead of there being
one manager, there's seven managers.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm not going to be very efficient exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And you don't know, but they all are heads of
their departments, but there's no head over them. There's nobody
over them. There's just seven bosses. Yes, yes, And you're like, okay,
so who do I report to? You're like, oh, him, no, I.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Don't like that. Well he said it was okay. No, no,
she said it was okay.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And now everybody is confused and acting in chaos.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And that's college football right now. Because Greg sankei is
the commissioner of the sec PA tit is the commissioner
of the Big Ten. They're the two most powerful people,
more than the president of the NCAA. Yep, more than whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
The guy name the Commissioner of College Initiative Senate Congress.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
By oh, Brian Seely, Brian Seely though Sankey and Petiti, right,
isn't that his name?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That that's what it is. And they only govern fifteen
percent of college football. The fifteen percent is what they're
in control of. And they are the ones that are
pulling the strings.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
One of one of them has eighteen teams, the other
one has sixteen, and there's one hundred and thirty two.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, and yet they're the ones that are trying to
dictate terms for how we're going to do the playoff,
how the NAL is going to work, whether or not
you can have collectives, how are players going to get paid?
What is this pool of three billion dollars? How will
it be dissemined? What a way to launch the show
with George Reister in I don't even think I got through.
I think I mentioned jose Mota, I said Dan Wolkin
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in the very next segment, jose Mota in the four
o'clock hour. Lorenzo O'Neil love Low one of my favorite people,
and I think a lot of people's favorite football player
because he was a freaking tank of a human being
and a great dude. And the Chargers open training camp today,
so Lo will will join us, and we got a
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four hour show, and we're off to a heck of
a start with George Reister, and I'm sure there's gonna
be a lot more of that. One thing I noticed
this being the first time I've worked with George, some people,
you know, they'll just they're like, Hey, I'm sitting in
I'm just gonna follow your lead. You kind of take
me where George is coming in like let's go. Let's go, man,
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let's freaking go. And I'm like, let's go. Love having
radio people in because you know how to do a
radio show and the energy that it takes and the
fact that the second there is a moment of silence,
somebody better start talking.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Somebody better start talking.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And know that my periods are only half periods, because
that's the way this works. We cannot have any silence
or else that drone is going to be for us.
It's gonna blow us out of this pretty studio and
put somebody else.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
And don't have eight seconds of side exactly right is
coming on, exactly right, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
George Reister's in Dan Wilkin, he does it for USA
Today Sports. He's one of the great college football columnists
out there. Big news today about the lawsuit and the
non settlement that was a settlement, and how nil and
collectives are going to work, and whether or not we're
going to have a twelve or a fourteen or a
sixteen team playoffs. So much going on. It's going to
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be a football day here with George reichster in for Petros,
Petros and Money Am five sev La sports Bow and
his thirty minute presser about meeting Pope Francis and seven
presidents and twenty two foul balls and all the stuff
you come to love and appreciate from coach Harbaugh. But
also a lot happening as you ful as you know
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full well George, as George Reister is in for Petros
in the world of college football, particularly just kind of
what's become a real ugly part of the business side
of college football, and no one better to talk about
it than USA Today's Dan Willy, and he joins us
now on the Petros and Money Show, with George filling
in for p and Dan, I know you've kind of
been posting about it quite a bit, but it seems like, well,
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you're frustrated. A lot of people are frustrated, and people
like me, well, we're just stupid and confused about why
this thing seemingly was figured out and now it's not
figured out anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
With these collectives, well, you can get pretty deep in
the weeds on all this stuff, and there's a lot
of legal mumbo jumbo that you have to kind of
sort through that you know, frankly, I'm not qualified to
completely understand, or you know, maybe I have to read
it fifty times to figure it out. But the bottom
line to it is they created this settlement, and the
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idea behind it was that it was going to bring
NIL back into what a lot of these schools considered
to be quote real nil. You know, Caitlin Clark being
in the state farm commercial or you know the local
pizza shop, you know, given a few hundred bucks or
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a few thousand bucks for guys to post you know,
ads on Instagram or stuff like that, right, and to
do that, they were going to have to rein in
these these collectives, these booster collectives. Well, now we're seventeen
days into the settlement and there's already a dispute over
whether or not the College Sports Commission, which is the
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group that has been given the responsibility to enforce all
these rules, whether they can deny nil deals from collectives
or not. And I'm sitting here saying, you've been negotiating
this settlement for three years and you've agreed to you know,
half a billion dollars or I'm sorry, two point eight
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billion dollars in damages. Half a billion just to the
Jeffery Kessler Law firm over the next ten years, and
you didn't have a very explicit agreement on the actual
key point in the entire settlement. I don't understand that
at all.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, and they it seems like that they have tried
to punt everything on Brian Seeley, the new CEO of
the College Sports Commission's desk, because he was the head
of enforcement for MLB for so long. Is he going
to be able to actually have any power because if
he doesn't have any power, then this whole thing was
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a waste of time.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Well. I don't really fault Brian Seeley. I mean he
was hired by the Power Conferences. The Power Conferences set
up this Collegiate Sports Commission, and they are the ones
who have given it the responsibility of a thumbs up
or a thumbs down on all of these different nil
deals and to ensure that schools are not using collectives
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to go around the cap that was created by the settlement.
That's the entire job. That's what these schools in the
Power Conferences say they want to do. But you know,
you look at it and it's like, if you didn't
lock down the idea that you actually can deny these
collectives' ability to pay college athletes. Yeah, like, what was
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all this for? What have you been doing over the
last three years, and why would you agree to the
settlement in the first place.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You can follow them on Twitter at Dan Wolkin wl
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around college football in the offseason, and most of it
is financial. I like when people tell me how to think, Dan,
I don't want to think for myself. Am I to
think that NIL was good for parody in college football
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or bad for parody and college football? I'm trying to
figure out where we want this to go moving forward
so we can see more of these competitive games that
we have and these upsets against the Alabamas and the
Michigan's say, and the Ohio States of the world.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, well, there's no doubt in my mind that NIL,
and also the transfer portal and the significant movement of
players from year to year created a certain level of parody.
I don't think you see it all the way down
in college sports, but you know, at the top level,
you know, maybe the great teams weren't quite as great,
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and certainly, you know, kind of that middle ten to
twenty range of team had the ability to get a
lot better quickly by getting a player in the transfer portal.
So in some ways that was good, but I also
understand like serious issues and frustrations with the idea that
players can move from school to school every single year,
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you know, leverage schools against each other by you know,
sort of renegotiating their contracts every years. It's hard. You
can't really effectively manage that way. And that's why in
the NFL and the NBA and Major League Baseball you
have collective bargaining agreements, which is what college sports should
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have done many many years ago. Is work toward a
system where the NCAA or the Power Conference schools are
negotiating with an entity that represents the players, that sets
the rules of the road. And the reason you want
that is because it protects you from lawsuits, loopholes, legal challenges.
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You've made the agreement, both sides have the have had
their say, they've been to the negotiating table, and they
both agree on what the rules are. And that's just
a much healthier way to operate a professional sport, which
is what this is now. And you know, yeah it's
college sports, but it's not amateur anymore. It's professional and
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not treating the business of it in a professional way
is what leads to all of these issues. And you know,
if parody is the goal, and I think parody is
a worthy goal in some ways, you can create that
through a collective bargaining agreement. Trying to do it on
this sort of ad hoc basis, you know, ultimately I
think stresses the system in ways that have some bad
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effects as well.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Amen, Dan.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
But the other issue that is looming around college football
is the College Football Playoff and what's going to happen
with that?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
The Big Ten in the SEC, I gotta laugh, yes, because.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
They are trying to negotiate out in the media who
ends up folding Dan. Will it be Tony Pettiti up
at the Big Ten or will it be Greg Sanki
in the SEC.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Well, for people who aren't quite clued in what's going on,
just briefly, the Big Ten wants a sixteen team playoff
where the SEC and the Big Ten get four automatic
bids to the playoffs each and then the Big Twelve
the a SEC get two, and then you have one
for your mid major team and then you have the
rest are sort of at large selections. The SEC and
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the Big twelve have stated a preference for five automatic
bids for conference champ the highest rank conference champions, and
then eleven at large slots, and it's sort of the standoff.
And the Big Ten, which has which plays nine conference games,
says they don't want to agree to the SEC's plan
unless the SEC agrees to go from eight conference games
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to nine conference games. So that's sort of the state
of play. I don't know who's gonna blink, But to me,
the funniest part about it is that if they can't agree,
then what will happen is just a continuation of the
twelve team playoff we had this past year. And to that,
I say, hell yeah, just keep the twelve team playoffs.
I don't want sixteen. I don't want fourteen. I really
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don't know anybody who wants fourteen or sixteen twelve it
should not. Honestly, I were Bisarre of college sports, I
would have stuck at eight. Eight to me is the
sweet spot, Like, there's nobody who is an actual contender
for a national championship in college football that is ranked
below number eight. It's just not possible. Twelve it's fine,
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Like I live with it, but sixteen to me is ridiculous.
I don't think there's actually any real public demand for it,
and me, the best outcome for this entire process would
be that they can't agree and they just stick at twelve.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Uh, Dan, can you talk to me about what is
my biggest pain point with college football is the schedules?
Because you have Indiana taken Virginia off the schedule to
put Kennesau State on.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Saw Steak can get after it now? Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
In basketball, Ohio State won a national championship, would have
with a poor non conference schedule Michigan did the year before.
There are only three SEC teams last year and this
year that played ten Power five games. As a fan, Dan,
I'm like, when will this stop? When will the college
football playoffs say we have to schedule ten Power five games.
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I don't care how you do it, just get to ten.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
I mean that that certainly would be fine. But the
sport of college football is always going to have unequal schedules.
It's just a fact. And even within these conferences there
are going to be unequal schedules because the conferences have
gotten so big. Just look at last year in the
SEC and try to compare the schedule Georgia played, for instance,
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with the schedule Texas played two completely different levels of scheduling. Now, look,
I know Texas, you know, uh, you know, they had
you know, a good non conference game or whatever, and
that's all fine, but you're never going to have parody
on scheduling. It's it's just it's just not possible. And
that's why you need a committee to you know, be
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the human input here independently saying, yeah, we understand that
this team played harder schedule than that team, but we're
gonna judge the season through that lens and try to
give some weight to the disparity scheduling. Are they always
going to get it right or get it perfect? No,
but there's no other way to do it. There's no
other way to do it unless you go to sort
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of an NFL model with you know, thirty something teams
and divisions, and that's how you get in to the playoffs. Like,
as long as you have conferences all across the country
playing different, totally different levels of schedules, then you're gonna
have this as a sticking point. And I don't know
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any other way to solve it. Even I think the
ten you know, the ten minimum is not going to
solve it because a lot of schools are gonna go
schedule Wake Forest and Bandy, you know, rather than you know,
try to challenge themselves by playing you know, I don't
know Michigan State or you know, Missouri or whoever. Like,
it's just it's just hard to do. And also you
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don't know years in advance how good teams are going
to be right when when a lot of these games
get scheduled. So there's just big obstacles to it. And
I still think you're gonna need a human element to
look through that data and interpret who blongs in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Do you have dan like an opinion on basically what
is this this lynch pin of whether or not they
can find an agreement? Because I think back to last
year in Indiana was the flashpoint, right, why is Indiana
in there? And that then I look at all those
SEC teams that got put into Bulls and into the
playoff and none of them showed out. So it's I
don't know which way. You know, you can complain about
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all of it and be upset about all of it,
and the SEC is always going to say our conference
is so good, and that's why we have these losses.
And then these teams go out there and they don't
win the game, or you played a light schedule that's
why you got the twelve wins, and you go out
and either you lose or you play Like, I don't know,
do you have an idea of what is the right
way to try to pick those twelve teams?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Well, I mean to me, this should be a lot
easier with the twelve team playoffs. Okay, you're making a
decision between Indiana and you know, a really mediocre Alabama team, right, right,
that's a very low stakes decision because neither one of
them have a chance in hell of winning a national championship, right, Like,
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I mean, yes, I understand that it matters to the
people involved, and there's money on the line about who
gets picked. I understand all that, right, but we're not
splitting an atom here. Like you make a decision. Some
years it's going to go against you, some years it's
gonna go for you. Last year went against the SEC
because everybody watched the SEC and said, you know, these
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teams aren't really all that great, Like they're they're good,
they're fine, but this is the SEC of yesteryear, like
this just happens to be a pretty mediocre Alabama team
and you know they go to Oklahoma and they get
beat really bad, and so like let's put Indiana in.
Like I don't really see the problem with that take,
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except for the fact that the SEC freaked out about it,
and now like there's this whole debate in dispute.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Before we let you go. I see, you're into the Open,
or as we like to call it here, the British Open,
not out of spite, it's just what we grew up
seeing it called. And I guess we had a golf
person on yesterday, our man Dave Dusk, who said that
they call the Masters the US Masters. So since they
do that, we can do the British Open thing. Uh,
do you have someone if you had a chance to
pick anyone you want to walk out of there with
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the claric jug who do you want to see when
this thing?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Yeah? Yeah, and by the way, like we have to
clarify it because you wouldn't want to confuse our masters
with like the Scandinavian.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Masters exactly right.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Or I think they called the Volvo Masters now or
something like that. But I'm sorry, I forgot your question.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Do you want to win you get to pick the
British Open champ? Do you want Lefty to have his lastray?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
What do you want?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Well? And I don't know exactly how he finished today,
I need to look it up, but I would like
to see Justin Rose win it. I thought he was
just incredibly classy, and he's always been classy his whole career.
But Twig, he handled you know, losing the Masters in
the playoffs, Tory. I mean, he's just been you know,
he's been around so long and he's been such a
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good player. He won a gold medal at the Olympics,
he's won a US Open. Like, I think it would
be really cool for him to sort of cap his
career here at age what is he forty four or
something like that with a major in his you know,
in his home home country and he's minus two, so
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he's you know, he's right in the mix. Like I think,
I'm want to be rooting for Justin Rose.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Great stuff, man, We really appreciate it. Dan follow him
on Twitter at Dan Wilkin w l k E N
w O l k E N. Obviously worth keeping an
eye on every minute, every day as the college football
landscape changes seemingly by the hour.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Thanks Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Still ahead, we'll have Lorenzo O'Neil and Jose Moda low
on the Chargers and NFL football's return. We got a
game in two weeks. We're fifty days away from the
Friday nighter between the Charge and Chiefs in Brazil. That
means we're forty nine days away from the kickoff of
the NFL season. And Jose Mota talk some Dodgers baseball.
Is George Reister in for p here on a five
seventy l a sports.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Big taking it Anne Wilkin.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Long conversation with Dan, but a topic that certainly George
Reister very passionate about.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Here in town.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You got USC celebration and the fanfare with his hire.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
No, but they're so excited because they got the number
one recruiting class in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, you know how many number one recruiting classes we had.
I mean, that's it's it's funny that you say that,
because like when people talk about the recruiting class, it's
like they better have a good recruiting class. They're freaking
USC and they are in southern California.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
And The other part is, right now they have thirty
one commits. What are you gonna do with thirty one commits?
That's having thirty one draft picks?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yes, wow, what are you going to do with them?
There's only twenty two people on the on the field.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
At least fifteen of those guys are in the portal
next year. That's just the reality.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
So yes, So the idea, oh we got the number
one recruiting class, like, yeah, that's cool if you got
like nineteen or twenty two commits. But once you thirty
one commits, so you got you know, double triple at
a position they can't all play.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
What do you think is going to happen? What do
you think it is? Like, what do you think has
you know? You have the Heisman season with Caleb Williams. Yeah,
you have the incredibly disappointing bowl game against Tulane. You
have a defense that can't stop, Like what is it?
Because it started great, he gets transfer and then it's
gone sideways.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Well, the first thing is is holding on to the
defensive coordinator because it was his friend, Alex Grinch. So
he held on the Grinch way too long. And that's
one of the hardest things for coaches is yes, that's
your friend, but your responsibility is to win football games.
And Lincoln I believe, did not believe that your defense
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needed to be top tier in X to be able
to compete because they were making a college football playoff
everything over there at Oklahoma. He was like, we can
offense our way here. But then he's had to have
a philosophy shift. He this ain't the Big twelve exactly.
He got de'anton Lynn to come over from ucla good
(36:17):
defensive coordinator, and now he's like, oh, I got to
recruit the guys. So but part of playing good defense
is not just showing up and hiring a defensive coordinator.
You literally have to change your mentality as a team.
You have to say we are going to be physical,
like two years ago Klebs. Last year when they went
up to go play Oregon. The sometime in October, toward
(36:41):
the end of October beginning of November, Lincoln Riley from reports,
guys I know that were at practice that were on
that team. Somebody hit a wide receiver and he said, no, no, no, no, listen,
We're not doing that, like just like no, stay off
the guys. Oregon went live that week live with players
who live. Nobody is live tackling people to the ground.
(37:06):
And granted that's not a common like like you're not
going to do that all season, just during certain times,
but that's us, yes, And just the fact that one
place was being ultra physical, one place was not, and
you have to literally change your mentality and this, Matt,
I believe that this is the biggest issue. And mind you,
(37:29):
this is not the issue. This is just a symptom
that shows you that there's a problem, and that is
surrounding Notre Dame because you have people I know Petros
has been.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Open about, very passionate about it.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And I started this when they asked Lincoln Riley last year, oh,
do you want to well, we may think about taking
Notre Dame off the schedule, And what how is this
even up for discussion?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
So you tell someone that's a stupid question, that I'll
ever ask it again.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
And it comes off as soft, It comes off as scared.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
A competition.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
This is usc This is one of the greatest college
football programs that has ever lived.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And the fact that you're trying to duck the smoke
who you gonna replace him with?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Kennesaw State that that's not gonna make the fans show
up to the coliseum. And this is the issue, right,
is that Lincoln Riley hell of a offensive mind, all
of those things, but at the end of the.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Day, when you hire a head coach.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
This is why Kaylin de Boor wasn't accepted at Alabama
at first, because he's like, oh, he's a city slicker
coming out here. He don't know our traditions, he don't
know our ways. Lincoln Riley's a good football coach, but
he don't understand like USC ain't in his bones, it's
not in his core. So just the idea that you
could even think about not playing Notre Dame that should
(38:54):
be enough to where red flags are starting to go off.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I think I'm a big part of sort of the
you know, because look, Pete Carroll wasn't an SC guys,
California guy though University of Pacific and you know understood
what USC meant. So it's not like you have to
hire Jack del Rio who you played for, Jacksonville who
played at USC to understand it. But you do need
someone that understands it. And I think so often in
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the case of and that's why, like I think Ben
Johnson's gonna be interesting in Chicago. Chicago is that the
Bears are the Black and Blue, the Black and Blues brothers.
They are the monsters of the Midway. There is a
reason why they haven't had a great quarterback in sixty years,
but they've had five or eight great middle linebackers and
great defense because that's just the identity of that team.
(39:41):
So the idea that this super creative play designer can
like get all these he's gonna he's gonna really twist
the defensive coordinator's brain into a pretzel. I'm interested to
see if it'll work. And I know the league is
different now and it's a more of a passing league.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But yeah, but you hope that some of that Dan
Campbell rub.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I'm saying that, but that's Dan. So here's what I'm saying,
Ben Johnson's a play caller. You've got to shift as
a head coach. Now, You've got to be Dan Campbell
while you're calling those plays. And I wonder if Lincoln
Riley is still just kind of Lincoln Riley play caller.
I'm gonna spread it out. I'm gonna win my quarterback
the Heisman. We're gonna throw it all over the yard
(40:20):
because you know, Petrols just brought this up multiple times.
He won with Bob Stoops players at Oklahoma. Yeah, like
the defense was already said it was all that was
already its identity because of Stoops. He inherited that. He
came here and it got sideways on Clay Hell, and
you kind of had to rebuild it all.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yep. And I don't know if it's just he's a
really great play caller and that's the problem, Matt. At
the end of the day, this is football. This is football.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
At some point in time, to win a championship and
win big games against other elite teams, you have to
line up and run it down like you have to
lie like there's three to five plays in those types
of games and situations where you have to line up,
they know you're going to run it and you have
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to try to run through their face and you say, hey,
hey it is it is fourth and two, it is
fourth and one. The game is on the line. Yes, yes,
we need to have our angles right. We need to
make sure we need to whether we need to flip
it over, whether we so we're not running too a
bad box count. We need to know all we need
(41:24):
to do all of that, but at some point in
time it comes down to it is fourth and one,
third one, whatever the situation is, and we gotta get
it first down and you gotta stop us. And yes,
we are going to run it, and can you stop us?
Right like Marshawn Lynch, We're gonna run through it if
faid over and over and over again, can I So
(41:46):
here's here's my one hundred and fifty pound frame question
on that, because I don't know what Obviously I can't
possibly I would. I would explode into dust if I
try to take part in that effort. But so I
have long wondered what is and I'm sure it's depending
on personnel and all that. But ultimately, if you have
to pick moving forward for the rest of your career,
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you only get to pick one way to get fourth
and one. Do you want credit card alignment pack it
in or do you want to spread it out so
I get I want to get my five and your
five and this is gonna be spread out and that's
how we're gonna get it. Or do you want all
eleven guys? I'm not a big play it in the
phone booth first, like I am a we're gonna run it, yes,
(42:29):
but but we need a couple guys spread out just so,
just so there is a threat right way in case
you decide to just put all the people in the box,
but just throw it out there, right, I mean, because there.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Is some common sense to this. That's what I mean.
And that was the term that I use.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Running into bad box counts and there are teams And
what that means for for people who don't understand, is
there are Like football is a numbers game. You want
to run where the people are not or where your
guys have the best angles to to block players, right,
And so sometimes the defense will say we're going to
(43:06):
stop this run, and if you can make that throw,
we will give it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Up to you.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
And sometimes you have to make the throw, which is
why you need competent wide receivers and competent quarterbacks. So
I'm a big not just like I don't understand all
the time when people want to pack all twenty two
people in the.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Box, why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yes, rat them out a little bit, because then at
least it keeps.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Them them honest.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Yes, and instead of them having eleven people who can
make a tackle. Now with blocks and everything else. Now
they may have two people that can make a tackle,
and if you got a good back, the first guy's toast.
Like imagine having you know, Ladany and Tomlinson and a
free guy in the hole on fourth and one. He
(43:57):
might tackle him, but he gonna fall forward for at
one yard.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
That's the difference, right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
A lot of football today, Dan, welcome, last segment here again,
we'll get your word number and song of the day,
and then baseball Hosta. We'll talk some Dodger baseball with us.
Time for Dodger baseball at the bottom of the hour.
So I'm not going to get away from the Dodgers today.
They're back in action tomorrow against the Brewers. Hose Moota
(44:26):
will join us. Lorenzo O'Neil, you mentioned Ladanian, Tomlinson blocked
all those years for Ladanian. Lorenzo O'Neil will join us.
In the five o'clock hour. We'll roll until seven. George
Reister in for p on Heavy Football today. Very excited
about a Chargers open camp earlier today, the first team
to do so in the NFL. A lot of news
surrounding the NFL today. We'll get to all of it
as we work towards seven pm.
I have not failed. I've just found a thousand ways
that won't work. Lookongbayukes, Petros and Money Heym five to
seventy LA Sports Live everywhere on the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
App full four hour.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Show today it is the slowest day in sports. That
was yesterday, the day after the All Star Game. There
is nothing on the sports calendar. Petros is celebrating by
partaking in Mountain West Media Days Mountain West Football Media
Days out in Las Vegas. We may or may not
(00:42):
check in with him yesterday. Don mcclin was in a
big thank you to Don for spending four hours with
us today. He has been in before, but it is
my maiden voyage and based on the prep zone activity
we were just doing for the last hour and a
half or so, hanging out, very excited to get rolling
for the next four hours with the great George. Reister George,
thanks for coming in.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Man, Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am happy
to be here, man.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
It is warm outside, great view ish.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I saw a drone floating around while we were in
the prep zone. And because our studio is adjacent to
KFI Studio, I just get a little nervous, you know,
because the Menanda's brothers won a murder Tim Conway Junior,
so he's got that. John Cobelt has countless enemies. He
took on I can't remember the name of the Korean
boy band b BS BTS YEP. Took them on and
(01:39):
there were about three hundred Korean kids, teenagers that looked
like they were going to rip him limb from limb.
So there was that The unions have been out there before.
So when I see a drone float and I'm like, hey,
we gotta get signage. We got to get not us
to the left, you know, drone with the robot k
(02:00):
in and on it. John is in the next studio.
This is just great sports sports. But listen, we're gonna
talk about college football, about Jim Harbaugh, but not enough
to send a drone over exactly right. So earlier I
saw the drone. I don't know how I got on
that topic. I apologize, But we got four hours and
(02:22):
we're gonna do it with George. We're gonna do it
with guests. Jose Mota is gonna join us in the
four o'clock hour to talk some Dodger baseball. In the
very next segment, as George one of the best college
football minds out there, and I know you have. I
can promote a million things that you do because you're
one of the hardest working men in the in the industry.
But I know, really kind of the thing that's taken
(02:43):
off for you is your YouTube channel. Yes, and that's
kind of People have a thirst. They have a great
thirst for good college football knowledge. Obviously you do everything
in the world of sports as you host your own
radio show, but but people want to know that hell
is college football. I don't understand how my team has
made I don't recognize half these players. My quarterback is
(03:05):
now playing for his third team when he was my quarterback,
and it is a very confused No, I'm just saying, figure.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I was, I was like, which I was like, which
quarterback is he talking about?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
Because there's a couple of options. Well, I mean you're
your alma mater, uh is you know? Dante Moore signing
with the Bruins was one of those Damn they got
a they got a five star kid.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Yes, he flipped. He's flipping the week. So he was
committed to Oregon, flips to u C l A. And
then after a year he's like, I'm out. Yeah, And
it's funny because I've had a chance to talk to
the kid, and you know, I am excited about him
because physically, right when you see the kid throw the
(03:50):
throw the ball, he is spectacular. It will get any
coach excited. But obviously football is played with with people
in front of you and between the ear processor. Yeah,
and so I have given him a mulligan for the
u c L a year because I talked to him
and he was like, I wasn't ready to play. I
went there to play early, didn't realize what I was
(04:12):
getting getting myself into. I wasn't quite ready. Yes, yes,
you get elevated to the level of your incompetency. And
he got elevated because there was nobody else and so
and he ended and he had some good moments in
the first couple of games. And also his mom got
diagnosed with cancer in the beginning of that season, and
he was like, I just didn't deal with any of
(04:34):
it well. And he said, that's why I went to
Oregon to go sit for a year. He was like,
I went there knowing that I was yes and that
I was going to sit for a year.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
And I felt like that that was the best.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Thing for me, and that actually lend lent to me like,
oh my god, this is a kid who's self aware
and said, Okay, I made a mistake. I'm not gonna
keep going down this same path and I'm gonna take
the the humble route that as talented as I am,
I know I'm not starting and I'm just going to
(05:07):
sit and learn behind a guy who has experience. He's
a good leader, go with a good coach, and now
he's gonna get his opportunity to show who he is.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Now. Remind me is how did Dylan Gabriel get to Oregon?
And it was it was ucl CF by the way
of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
But he was supposed to go to u c l
A right from Yeah, and then they brought in I
can't remember who they brought in, Oh u c l A.
And then Dylan Gabriel's like, I'm out of here. He
goes to Oklahoma, that's the huge year, then goes to Oregon. Yes,
and then the guy that I think it was, I
(05:50):
think it was Dante Moore. Yes, that's what it was.
Dylan Gabriel was coming here, yes, and then more commits yep,
and he's like and then he decides to go. If
you think about now both of them are at organ yes,
and then you think about it.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Oklahoma kind of pushed Dylan out the door because they're like,
we got this young gun Jackson Darnold Jackson Arnold right,
and who's now at Auburn right because they didn't like
him last year.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's Mayhem Petros was talking about it earlier in the week,
and I had never really thought about it through that lens.
But since he said it, I can't stop repeating it.
You know, fans, because you know, you look at me.
I'm not someone who could play at a high level
of athletics. So what do I get excited about roster construction?
(06:38):
You know, the idea that oh, I've I've got I've
got a good enough eye, and I've got a brain,
and I could make this work and I can build
a team, and that's what fans do, and so they
get excited about it. But in college football it's become
so unsavory. Just the money, the oh they promised me
this much money, the nicoeam my ava I want to
raise from my and this coach is now left. Then
(07:00):
this person is being sued, and this collective didn't pay
their bill that it's off. Seasons are typically like in
the NBA, the trade deadline, free agency is more popular
than the games, regular season games. In college football, it's
the opposite. It's like, God, can we just get to
the games so we can stop talking about.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
And and the and the reason why is because there
is no central leadership body. Because if you if you had,
NCAA is toothless. Yes, yes, they they have no power.
They don't even control the championship for football an independent business, yes,
so so the there has to be one direction. And
(07:39):
that's the thing that that's the reason why MLB, the NBA,
NFL have success, the NHL because everybody is moving in
one direction, right and they and the owners have said, okay,
yes with some things don't necessarily favor us, but.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
The whole goal is to make more money. I mean,
that's that's the goal to lead. It's a business.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
And the issue with college football is everybody's after power.
So you have the SEC who wants the most power.
So does the Big ten, So does the ACC, So
there's the Big twelve. So they're all in a fight
over power and market share. Instead of imagine Matt, how
much money that they would make if they all negotiated
(08:24):
their meteorites together, they would make way more money. But
the problem is is that Greg Sancey, the SEC commissioner,
the Big Ten commissioner, acc.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
They're like, no, no, no, I'm the commissioner.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
When there needs to be a central head, and college
football and college sports in general all needs to be
headed in one direction, one direction, and until you get
one direction and then you have some collective bargaining with
the players and then that individual entity.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Until that happens, you're going through f chaos.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Well, and I think you know, unlike professional sports, where
it's it's cyclical, the pendulum swings suspend. The reason why
the NFL is the most popular sport, really the most
popular form of entertainment in America is because everyone's got
a chance. There's always a worse to first. There's always
a Washington Commanders of last year. There is always a
(09:17):
team that was picking in the top five that the
next year is going to win their division or make
a deep run. And it's compelling. In college football, they
the SEC and the blue bloods can't get over the
fact that they believe there is such a giant chasm
between what they are worth and what pick your favorite ATACS?
(09:38):
And you know we can't split the pie evenly. That's
not okay.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
And I've had this discussion with people and they're like, well,
college football has been like this forever.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
I said, yes, you are right.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
However, people's viewing habits have changed, their expectations have changed.
Are our attentions fans have changed? And if we are
not forward thinking right? Because I believe that every college
football fan base needs to be able to believe. Now
mind you, the actuality in that is different, but that
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they need to believe that within a three year period,
if I hire the right coach, recruit the bright players,
get the right players in the transfer portal, we can
have a chance to win the conference championship and get
in the playoffs. Everybody needs to have that hope, not
just twenty teams when the season starts, right, because you're
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going to dilute the product, because people are going to eventually,
because of how they have shown their viewing habits in
other areas, they're going to say, why am I showing
up to the game if we have no chance? And
I'm an Oregon guy, so my team has been doing
well for a long time, like pretty much twenty plus years. Yeah, so,
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and do I ever want Oregon to be back, know how,
I do believe that for the bet for the betterment
of college football that they're neat. Things need to be cyclical.
You look at the Chargers when when Philip Rivers was
the quarterback. They're going through the playoffs pretty much every year,
winning double digit games, all that stuff, right, but then
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they went through a low, but they were terrible. The Chiefs,
who are great now, they were through a low when
they were terrible, right, every that's the nature of it.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
But the problem is, and that's why it works. I mean, heck,
Oklahoma City in Indiana, two small market teams that are
battling for the n c for the NBA Championship. The
NCAA Tournament is one of the great equalizers because it
is a one and done. You've got to win seven
games in a row. That is really hard to do.
And that's why you can have those Cinderella stories. And
I think if you look, it's never gonna happen. It's
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just it's too late. We're I we're closer to the
idea of one super conference of fifty teams where they
can then negotiate what you're speaking to. Right, it's a
forty and all of these teams are going to crawl
shirtless over broken glass while on fire to get into
that that's super Conference. So and everything else, I'm just
gonna get shoved the side.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
So I got a question for you. So I talked
to Kyle witting him. I got a chance to interview
him in April. Still swollen, Yes, still dude. So we
scheduled the the interview surrounding his workout because he worked
out for an hour day. So, and he said this,
He said that within five years he believes that there
will be a that the Super Conference will be alive. Dude,
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as a man who covers college sports as well, do
you believe that to be true?
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I don't because I think everything that you're speaking to
for it to be the only way that it will work.
That's and look, it'll be it'll be a tug of
war over who gets to become commissioner of the Super Conference. Yes,
but they're going to recognize that we will be able
to double triple yes our worth if we have a
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conference of forty teams and all forty of them have
a chance. Yes, that's better than one hundred and thirty
two teams where ten of them have a chance.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Yes, but the people over at Ohio State, the people
over at Georgia at Alabama are gonna say hell no, no, no, no,
we deserve more money because we won more championships.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
We deserve more.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
And then everybody's gonna be like no, no, everybody, sorry, right, sorry,
but this you need to play someone.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Yes, there needs to be a schedule, There needs to
be more than twelve teams in your league. So sorry,
this is how competitive balance works, and we're able to
keep and I think the thing, you're gonna make more money.
That's what I was gonna say. That's and guess what,
You're still gonna make all that money. And then some
get over the idea this is. This is not gonna
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go over well, but I'm gonna say it anyway, and
understand it is not necessarily my position. I'm trying to
think of how I can put this into content. I
am a proponent of one of two approaches to taxing
the American public. A flat tax where you do not
get any deductions, and people that have means can find
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loopholes and back channels to keep as much of their
money as possible to avoid paying tax a flat tax.
This is what you're paying, period, and it's going to
be a butt ton of money because you make a
lot of money. The people that don't like the idea
of a progressive tax because they don't think people that
have wealth pay enough into the system. What they don't
realize is they still put a lot of money into
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the system.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
There's still a job.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
So I know you think they should put more as
a percentage, but it's still a lot of money. I
make that parallel because that's what Georgia and Michigan would
have to understand. Yes, you feel like you're paying more
into the kitty because of your name brand, but you
have to because they don't have as much to put
into the kitty with you. But we're all in this
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together for it to move forward. That's how this has
to work.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
So that's and I was trying to think of a
way to explain this to two people about the conferences
and all of that stuff. So imagine you are at
work and you work for a normal corporate job, and
there is a manager, right, so instead of there being
one manager, there's seven managers.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I'm not going to be very efficient exactly.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
And you don't know, but they all are heads of
their departments, but there's no head over them. There's nobody
over them. There's just seven bosses. Yes, yes, And you're like, okay,
so who do I report to? You're like, oh, him, no, I.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Don't like that. Well he said it was okay. No, no,
she said it was okay.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
And now everybody is confused and acting in chaos.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And that's college football right now. Because Greg sankei is
the commissioner of the sec PA tit is the commissioner
of the Big Ten. They're the two most powerful people,
more than the president of the NCAA. Yep, more than whatever.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
The guy name the Commissioner of College Initiative Senate Congress.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
By oh, Brian Seely, Brian Seely though Sankey and Petiti, right,
isn't that his name?
Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yep?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
That that's what it is. And they only govern fifteen
percent of college football. The fifteen percent is what they're
in control of. And they are the ones that are
pulling the strings.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
One of one of them has eighteen teams, the other
one has sixteen, and there's one hundred and thirty two.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, and yet they're the ones that are trying to
dictate terms for how we're going to do the playoff,
how the NAL is going to work, whether or not
you can have collectives, how are players going to get paid?
What is this pool of three billion dollars? How will
it be dissemined? What a way to launch the show
with George Reister in I don't even think I got through.
I think I mentioned jose Mota, I said Dan Wolkin
(16:47):
in the very next segment, jose Mota in the four
o'clock hour. Lorenzo O'Neil love Low one of my favorite people,
and I think a lot of people's favorite football player
because he was a freaking tank of a human being
and a great dude. And the Chargers open training camp today,
so Lo will will join us, and we got a
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four hour show, and we're off to a heck of
a start with George Reister, and I'm sure there's gonna
be a lot more of that. One thing I noticed
this being the first time I've worked with George, some people,
you know, they'll just they're like, Hey, I'm sitting in
I'm just gonna follow your lead. You kind of take
me where George is coming in like let's go. Let's go, man,
(17:30):
let's freaking go. And I'm like, let's go. Love having
radio people in because you know how to do a
radio show and the energy that it takes and the
fact that the second there is a moment of silence,
somebody better start talking.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Somebody better start talking.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
And know that my periods are only half periods, because
that's the way this works. We cannot have any silence
or else that drone is going to be for us.
It's gonna blow us out of this pretty studio and
put somebody else.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
And don't have eight seconds of side exactly right is
coming on, exactly right, exactly right.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
George Reister's in Dan Wilkin, he does it for USA
Today Sports. He's one of the great college football columnists
out there. Big news today about the lawsuit and the
non settlement that was a settlement, and how nil and
collectives are going to work, and whether or not we're
going to have a twelve or a fourteen or a
sixteen team playoffs. So much going on. It's going to
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be a football day here with George reichster in for Petros,
Petros and Money Am five sev La sports Bow and
his thirty minute presser about meeting Pope Francis and seven
presidents and twenty two foul balls and all the stuff
you come to love and appreciate from coach Harbaugh. But
also a lot happening as you ful as you know
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full well George, as George Reister is in for Petros
in the world of college football, particularly just kind of
what's become a real ugly part of the business side
of college football, and no one better to talk about
it than USA Today's Dan Willy, and he joins us
now on the Petros and Money Show, with George filling
in for p and Dan, I know you've kind of
been posting about it quite a bit, but it seems like, well,
(19:08):
you're frustrated. A lot of people are frustrated, and people
like me, well, we're just stupid and confused about why
this thing seemingly was figured out and now it's not
figured out anymore.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
With these collectives, well, you can get pretty deep in
the weeds on all this stuff, and there's a lot
of legal mumbo jumbo that you have to kind of
sort through that you know, frankly, I'm not qualified to
completely understand, or you know, maybe I have to read
it fifty times to figure it out. But the bottom
line to it is they created this settlement, and the
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idea behind it was that it was going to bring
NIL back into what a lot of these schools considered
to be quote real nil. You know, Caitlin Clark being
in the state farm commercial or you know the local
pizza shop, you know, given a few hundred bucks or
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a few thousand bucks for guys to post you know,
ads on Instagram or stuff like that, right, and to
do that, they were going to have to rein in
these these collectives, these booster collectives. Well, now we're seventeen
days into the settlement and there's already a dispute over
whether or not the College Sports Commission, which is the
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group that has been given the responsibility to enforce all
these rules, whether they can deny nil deals from collectives
or not. And I'm sitting here saying, you've been negotiating
this settlement for three years and you've agreed to you know,
half a billion dollars or I'm sorry, two point eight
(20:46):
billion dollars in damages. Half a billion just to the
Jeffery Kessler Law firm over the next ten years, and
you didn't have a very explicit agreement on the actual
key point in the entire settlement. I don't understand that
at all.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah, and they it seems like that they have tried
to punt everything on Brian Seeley, the new CEO of
the College Sports Commission's desk, because he was the head
of enforcement for MLB for so long. Is he going
to be able to actually have any power because if
he doesn't have any power, then this whole thing was
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a waste of time.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Well. I don't really fault Brian Seeley. I mean he
was hired by the Power Conferences. The Power Conferences set
up this Collegiate Sports Commission, and they are the ones
who have given it the responsibility of a thumbs up
or a thumbs down on all of these different nil
deals and to ensure that schools are not using collectives
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to go around the cap that was created by the settlement.
That's the entire job. That's what these schools in the
Power Conferences say they want to do. But you know,
you look at it and it's like, if you didn't
lock down the idea that you actually can deny these
collectives' ability to pay college athletes. Yeah, like, what was
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all this for? What have you been doing over the
last three years, and why would you agree to the
settlement in the first place.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
You can follow them on Twitter at Dan Wolkin wl
k e N that's wol k N. A lot happening
around college football in the offseason, and most of it
is financial. I like when people tell me how to think, Dan,
I don't want to think for myself. Am I to
think that NIL was good for parody in college football
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or bad for parody and college football? I'm trying to
figure out where we want this to go moving forward
so we can see more of these competitive games that
we have and these upsets against the Alabamas and the
Michigan's say, and the Ohio States of the world.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yeah, well, there's no doubt in my mind that NIL,
and also the transfer portal and the significant movement of
players from year to year created a certain level of parody.
I don't think you see it all the way down
in college sports, but you know, at the top level,
you know, maybe the great teams weren't quite as great,
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and certainly, you know, kind of that middle ten to
twenty range of team had the ability to get a
lot better quickly by getting a player in the transfer portal.
So in some ways that was good, but I also
understand like serious issues and frustrations with the idea that
players can move from school to school every single year,
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you know, leverage schools against each other by you know,
sort of renegotiating their contracts every years. It's hard. You
can't really effectively manage that way. And that's why in
the NFL and the NBA and Major League Baseball you
have collective bargaining agreements, which is what college sports should
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have done many many years ago. Is work toward a
system where the NCAA or the Power Conference schools are
negotiating with an entity that represents the players, that sets
the rules of the road. And the reason you want
that is because it protects you from lawsuits, loopholes, legal challenges.
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You've made the agreement, both sides have the have had
their say, they've been to the negotiating table, and they
both agree on what the rules are. And that's just
a much healthier way to operate a professional sport, which
is what this is now. And you know, yeah it's
college sports, but it's not amateur anymore. It's professional and
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not treating the business of it in a professional way
is what leads to all of these issues. And you know,
if parody is the goal, and I think parody is
a worthy goal in some ways, you can create that
through a collective bargaining agreement. Trying to do it on
this sort of ad hoc basis, you know, ultimately I
think stresses the system in ways that have some bad
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effects as well.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Amen, Dan.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
But the other issue that is looming around college football
is the College Football Playoff and what's going to happen
with that?
Speaker 2 (25:27):
The Big Ten in the SEC, I gotta laugh, yes, because.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
They are trying to negotiate out in the media who
ends up folding Dan. Will it be Tony Pettiti up
at the Big Ten or will it be Greg Sanki
in the SEC.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Well, for people who aren't quite clued in what's going on,
just briefly, the Big Ten wants a sixteen team playoff
where the SEC and the Big Ten get four automatic
bids to the playoffs each and then the Big Twelve
the a SEC get two, and then you have one
for your mid major team and then you have the
rest are sort of at large selections. The SEC and
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the Big twelve have stated a preference for five automatic
bids for conference champ the highest rank conference champions, and
then eleven at large slots, and it's sort of the standoff.
And the Big Ten, which has which plays nine conference games,
says they don't want to agree to the SEC's plan
unless the SEC agrees to go from eight conference games
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to nine conference games. So that's sort of the state
of play. I don't know who's gonna blink, But to me,
the funniest part about it is that if they can't agree,
then what will happen is just a continuation of the
twelve team playoff we had this past year. And to that,
I say, hell yeah, just keep the twelve team playoffs.
I don't want sixteen. I don't want fourteen. I really
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don't know anybody who wants fourteen or sixteen twelve it
should not. Honestly, I were Bisarre of college sports, I
would have stuck at eight. Eight to me is the
sweet spot, Like, there's nobody who is an actual contender
for a national championship in college football that is ranked
below number eight. It's just not possible. Twelve it's fine,
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Like I live with it, but sixteen to me is ridiculous.
I don't think there's actually any real public demand for it,
and me, the best outcome for this entire process would
be that they can't agree and they just stick at twelve.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Uh, Dan, can you talk to me about what is
my biggest pain point with college football is the schedules?
Because you have Indiana taken Virginia off the schedule to
put Kennesau State on.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
Saw Steak can get after it now? Yeah? Exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
In basketball, Ohio State won a national championship, would have
with a poor non conference schedule Michigan did the year before.
There are only three SEC teams last year and this
year that played ten Power five games. As a fan, Dan,
I'm like, when will this stop? When will the college
football playoffs say we have to schedule ten Power five games.
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I don't care how you do it, just get to ten.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
I mean that that certainly would be fine. But the
sport of college football is always going to have unequal schedules.
It's just a fact. And even within these conferences there
are going to be unequal schedules because the conferences have
gotten so big. Just look at last year in the
SEC and try to compare the schedule Georgia played, for instance,
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with the schedule Texas played two completely different levels of scheduling. Now, look,
I know Texas, you know, uh, you know, they had
you know, a good non conference game or whatever, and
that's all fine, but you're never going to have parody
on scheduling. It's it's just it's just not possible. And
that's why you need a committee to you know, be
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the human input here independently saying, yeah, we understand that
this team played harder schedule than that team, but we're
gonna judge the season through that lens and try to
give some weight to the disparity scheduling. Are they always
going to get it right or get it perfect? No,
but there's no other way to do it. There's no
other way to do it unless you go to sort
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of an NFL model with you know, thirty something teams
and divisions, and that's how you get in to the playoffs. Like,
as long as you have conferences all across the country
playing different, totally different levels of schedules, then you're gonna
have this as a sticking point. And I don't know
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any other way to solve it. Even I think the
ten you know, the ten minimum is not going to
solve it because a lot of schools are gonna go
schedule Wake Forest and Bandy, you know, rather than you know,
try to challenge themselves by playing you know, I don't
know Michigan State or you know, Missouri or whoever. Like,
it's just it's just hard to do. And also you
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don't know years in advance how good teams are going
to be right when when a lot of these games
get scheduled. So there's just big obstacles to it. And
I still think you're gonna need a human element to
look through that data and interpret who blongs in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Do you have dan like an opinion on basically what
is this this lynch pin of whether or not they
can find an agreement? Because I think back to last
year in Indiana was the flashpoint, right, why is Indiana
in there? And that then I look at all those
SEC teams that got put into Bulls and into the
playoff and none of them showed out. So it's I
don't know which way. You know, you can complain about
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all of it and be upset about all of it,
and the SEC is always going to say our conference
is so good, and that's why we have these losses.
And then these teams go out there and they don't
win the game, or you played a light schedule that's
why you got the twelve wins, and you go out
and either you lose or you play Like, I don't know,
do you have an idea of what is the right
way to try to pick those twelve teams?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Well, I mean to me, this should be a lot
easier with the twelve team playoffs. Okay, you're making a
decision between Indiana and you know, a really mediocre Alabama team, right, right,
that's a very low stakes decision because neither one of
them have a chance in hell of winning a national championship, right, Like,
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I mean, yes, I understand that it matters to the
people involved, and there's money on the line about who
gets picked. I understand all that, right, but we're not
splitting an atom here. Like you make a decision. Some
years it's going to go against you, some years it's
gonna go for you. Last year went against the SEC
because everybody watched the SEC and said, you know, these
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teams aren't really all that great, Like they're they're good,
they're fine, but this is the SEC of yesteryear, like
this just happens to be a pretty mediocre Alabama team
and you know they go to Oklahoma and they get
beat really bad, and so like let's put Indiana in.
Like I don't really see the problem with that take,
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except for the fact that the SEC freaked out about it,
and now like there's this whole debate in dispute.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Before we let you go. I see, you're into the Open,
or as we like to call it here, the British Open,
not out of spite, it's just what we grew up
seeing it called. And I guess we had a golf
person on yesterday, our man Dave Dusk, who said that
they call the Masters the US Masters. So since they
do that, we can do the British Open thing. Uh,
do you have someone if you had a chance to
pick anyone you want to walk out of there with
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the claric jug who do you want to see when
this thing?
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Yeah? Yeah, and by the way, like we have to
clarify it because you wouldn't want to confuse our masters
with like the Scandinavian.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Masters exactly right.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Or I think they called the Volvo Masters now or
something like that. But I'm sorry, I forgot your question.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Do you want to win you get to pick the
British Open champ? Do you want Lefty to have his lastray?
Speaker 2 (32:44):
What do you want?
Speaker 4 (32:45):
Well? And I don't know exactly how he finished today,
I need to look it up, but I would like
to see Justin Rose win it. I thought he was
just incredibly classy, and he's always been classy his whole career.
But Twig, he handled you know, losing the Masters in
the playoffs, Tory. I mean, he's just been you know,
he's been around so long and he's been such a
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good player. He won a gold medal at the Olympics,
he's won a US Open. Like, I think it would
be really cool for him to sort of cap his
career here at age what is he forty four or
something like that with a major in his you know,
in his home home country and he's minus two, so
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he's you know, he's right in the mix. Like I think,
I'm want to be rooting for Justin Rose.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
Great stuff, man, We really appreciate it. Dan follow him
on Twitter at Dan Wilkin w l k E N
w O l k E N. Obviously worth keeping an
eye on every minute, every day as the college football
landscape changes seemingly by the hour.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Thanks Dan, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Still ahead, we'll have Lorenzo O'Neil and Jose Moda low
on the Chargers and NFL football's return. We got a
game in two weeks. We're fifty days away from the
Friday nighter between the Charge and Chiefs in Brazil. That
means we're forty nine days away from the kickoff of
the NFL season. And Jose Mota talk some Dodgers baseball.
Is George Reister in for p here on a five
seventy l a sports.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Big taking it Anne Wilkin.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Long conversation with Dan, but a topic that certainly George
Reister very passionate about.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Here in town.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
You got USC celebration and the fanfare with his hire.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
No, but they're so excited because they got the number
one recruiting class in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
Yeah, you know how many number one recruiting classes we had.
I mean, that's it's it's funny that you say that,
because like when people talk about the recruiting class, it's
like they better have a good recruiting class. They're freaking
USC and they are in southern California.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
And The other part is, right now they have thirty
one commits. What are you gonna do with thirty one commits?
That's having thirty one draft picks?
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Yes, wow, what are you going to do with them?
There's only twenty two people on the on the field.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
At least fifteen of those guys are in the portal
next year. That's just the reality.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
So yes, So the idea, oh we got the number
one recruiting class, like, yeah, that's cool if you got
like nineteen or twenty two commits. But once you thirty
one commits, so you got you know, double triple at
a position they can't all play.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
What do you think is going to happen? What do
you think it is? Like, what do you think has
you know? You have the Heisman season with Caleb Williams. Yeah,
you have the incredibly disappointing bowl game against Tulane. You
have a defense that can't stop, Like what is it?
Because it started great, he gets transfer and then it's
gone sideways.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
Well, the first thing is is holding on to the
defensive coordinator because it was his friend, Alex Grinch. So
he held on the Grinch way too long. And that's
one of the hardest things for coaches is yes, that's
your friend, but your responsibility is to win football games.
And Lincoln I believe, did not believe that your defense
(35:57):
needed to be top tier in X to be able
to compete because they were making a college football playoff
everything over there at Oklahoma. He was like, we can
offense our way here. But then he's had to have
a philosophy shift. He this ain't the Big twelve exactly.
He got de'anton Lynn to come over from ucla good
(36:17):
defensive coordinator, and now he's like, oh, I got to
recruit the guys. So but part of playing good defense
is not just showing up and hiring a defensive coordinator.
You literally have to change your mentality as a team.
You have to say we are going to be physical,
like two years ago Klebs. Last year when they went
up to go play Oregon. The sometime in October, toward
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the end of October beginning of November, Lincoln Riley from reports,
guys I know that were at practice that were on
that team. Somebody hit a wide receiver and he said, no, no, no, no, listen,
We're not doing that, like just like no, stay off
the guys. Oregon went live that week live with players
who live. Nobody is live tackling people to the ground.
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And granted that's not a common like like you're not
going to do that all season, just during certain times,
but that's us, yes, And just the fact that one
place was being ultra physical, one place was not, and
you have to literally change your mentality and this, Matt,
I believe that this is the biggest issue. And mind you,
(37:29):
this is not the issue. This is just a symptom
that shows you that there's a problem, and that is
surrounding Notre Dame because you have people I know Petros
has been.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Open about, very passionate about it.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
And I started this when they asked Lincoln Riley last year, oh,
do you want to well, we may think about taking
Notre Dame off the schedule, And what how is this
even up for discussion?
Speaker 2 (37:57):
So you tell someone that's a stupid question, that I'll
ever ask it again.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
And it comes off as soft, It comes off as scared.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
A competition.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
This is usc This is one of the greatest college
football programs that has ever lived.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
And the fact that you're trying to duck the smoke
who you gonna replace him with?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Kennesaw State that that's not gonna make the fans show
up to the coliseum. And this is the issue, right,
is that Lincoln Riley hell of a offensive mind, all
of those things, but at the end of the.
Speaker 2 (38:29):
Day, when you hire a head coach.
Speaker 3 (38:33):
This is why Kaylin de Boor wasn't accepted at Alabama
at first, because he's like, oh, he's a city slicker
coming out here. He don't know our traditions, he don't
know our ways. Lincoln Riley's a good football coach, but
he don't understand like USC ain't in his bones, it's
not in his core. So just the idea that you
could even think about not playing Notre Dame that should
(38:54):
be enough to where red flags are starting to go off.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
I think I'm a big part of sort of the
you know, because look, Pete Carroll wasn't an SC guys,
California guy though University of Pacific and you know understood
what USC meant. So it's not like you have to
hire Jack del Rio who you played for, Jacksonville who
played at USC to understand it. But you do need
someone that understands it. And I think so often in
(39:19):
the case of and that's why, like I think Ben
Johnson's gonna be interesting in Chicago. Chicago is that the
Bears are the Black and Blue, the Black and Blues brothers.
They are the monsters of the Midway. There is a
reason why they haven't had a great quarterback in sixty years,
but they've had five or eight great middle linebackers and
great defense because that's just the identity of that team.
(39:41):
So the idea that this super creative play designer can
like get all these he's gonna he's gonna really twist
the defensive coordinator's brain into a pretzel. I'm interested to
see if it'll work. And I know the league is
different now and it's a more of a passing league.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But yeah, but you hope that some of that Dan
Campbell rub.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
I'm saying that, but that's Dan. So here's what I'm saying,
Ben Johnson's a play caller. You've got to shift as
a head coach. Now, You've got to be Dan Campbell
while you're calling those plays. And I wonder if Lincoln
Riley is still just kind of Lincoln Riley play caller.
I'm gonna spread it out. I'm gonna win my quarterback
the Heisman. We're gonna throw it all over the yard
(40:20):
because you know, Petrols just brought this up multiple times.
He won with Bob Stoops players at Oklahoma. Yeah, like
the defense was already said it was all that was
already its identity because of Stoops. He inherited that. He
came here and it got sideways on Clay Hell, and
you kind of had to rebuild it all.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yep. And I don't know if it's just he's a
really great play caller and that's the problem, Matt. At
the end of the day, this is football. This is football.
Speaker 3 (40:43):
At some point in time, to win a championship and
win big games against other elite teams, you have to
line up and run it down like you have to
lie like there's three to five plays in those types
of games and situations where you have to line up,
they know you're going to run it and you have
(41:04):
to try to run through their face and you say, hey,
hey it is it is fourth and two, it is
fourth and one. The game is on the line. Yes, yes,
we need to have our angles right. We need to
make sure we need to whether we need to flip
it over, whether we so we're not running too a
bad box count. We need to know all we need
(41:24):
to do all of that, but at some point in
time it comes down to it is fourth and one,
third one, whatever the situation is, and we gotta get
it first down and you gotta stop us. And yes,
we are going to run it, and can you stop us?
Right like Marshawn Lynch, We're gonna run through it if
faid over and over and over again, can I So
(41:46):
here's here's my one hundred and fifty pound frame question
on that, because I don't know what Obviously I can't
possibly I would. I would explode into dust if I
try to take part in that effort. But so I
have long wondered what is and I'm sure it's depending
on personnel and all that. But ultimately, if you have
to pick moving forward for the rest of your career,
(42:07):
you only get to pick one way to get fourth
and one. Do you want credit card alignment pack it
in or do you want to spread it out so
I get I want to get my five and your
five and this is gonna be spread out and that's
how we're gonna get it. Or do you want all
eleven guys? I'm not a big play it in the
phone booth first, like I am a we're gonna run it, yes,
(42:29):
but but we need a couple guys spread out just so,
just so there is a threat right way in case
you decide to just put all the people in the box,
but just throw it out there, right, I mean, because there.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Is some common sense to this. That's what I mean.
And that was the term that I use.
Speaker 3 (42:45):
Running into bad box counts and there are teams And
what that means for for people who don't understand, is
there are Like football is a numbers game. You want
to run where the people are not or where your
guys have the best angles to to block players, right,
And so sometimes the defense will say we're going to
(43:06):
stop this run, and if you can make that throw,
we will give it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Up to you.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
And sometimes you have to make the throw, which is
why you need competent wide receivers and competent quarterbacks. So
I'm a big not just like I don't understand all
the time when people want to pack all twenty two
people in the.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
Box, why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (43:28):
Yes, rat them out a little bit, because then at
least it keeps.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
Them them honest.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
Yes, and instead of them having eleven people who can
make a tackle. Now with blocks and everything else. Now
they may have two people that can make a tackle,
and if you got a good back, the first guy's toast.
Like imagine having you know, Ladany and Tomlinson and a
free guy in the hole on fourth and one. He
(43:57):
might tackle him, but he gonna fall forward for at
one yard.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
That's the difference, right, exactly.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
A lot of football today, Dan, welcome, last segment here again,
we'll get your word number and song of the day,
and then baseball Hosta. We'll talk some Dodger baseball with us.
Time for Dodger baseball at the bottom of the hour.
So I'm not going to get away from the Dodgers today.
They're back in action tomorrow against the Brewers. Hose Moota
(44:26):
will join us. Lorenzo O'Neil, you mentioned Ladanian, Tomlinson blocked
all those years for Ladanian. Lorenzo O'Neil will join us.
In the five o'clock hour. We'll roll until seven. George
Reister in for p on Heavy Football today. Very excited
about a Chargers open camp earlier today, the first team
to do so in the NFL. A lot of news
surrounding the NFL today. We'll get to all of it
as we work towards seven pm.
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