July 17, 2025 • 34 mins
Money and George talk about Jim Harbaugh and the death of the fullback position with Lorenzo Neal + high school sports!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's right, goham, and he had a glove. You go
back up on the hill.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Jesus, damn good, good good, great sports talk.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
All right, Hells, it's just hard.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We will handle at them. We will handle at them.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Gosh, it's hard.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, it's hard. I buy expensive suits. They just look
cheap on me. Dogget us what pa chro some money.
I don't remember who said that. Oh you know what,
I think that's a Warren Buffett quote. I buy expensive suits.
They just look cheap on me. Petros and Money and
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and Jose Mota will be on the call. He joined
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to ten PM. Dodgers on deck at six. The great
Lorenzo O'Neil, one of my favorite people in all the world,
and one of the all time greats in the history
of football, perhaps the finest fullback that ever walked the earth,
will join us, number forty one on his chest, number
one in your Super Charger hearts. So he'll be in
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the next segment and we'll roll until seven o'clock. Off day.
Dodger talk coming up as a matter of fact at
seven pm. But here an opportunity to the top of George.
I was out at the Bolt earlier today, the new
well it was new last year. Second year. Now that
the Chargers new facility is open. Training camp under way
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because they will play in the Hall of Fame Game.
The NFL decided, not only are we sending you to Brazil,
not only are you a West Coast team that has
to play the AFC South in the NFC East this year,
but we want to make sure we get you an
extra few thousand miles. We're sending you to the You're
sending you to Canton for the Hall of Fame game.
It does make sense. Obviously, Antonio Gate's going to be
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inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Man, I'm so happy he should. He should have been
in on the first ballot, no.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Question, that made no sense.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yes, he a tight end with over one hundred touchdowns.
Exactly what are we talking about. He's one of the
five best tight ends that have ever tied up shoes.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And by the way, like the thing about the Hall
of Fame, I know you've been to the Hall of Fame,
but it's it's a place where you tell stories. Yep,
what's better than a story of a guy that played
basketball at Kent State, was an under free agent and
became one of the greatest tight ends in the history
of football. Yes, like that's first ballot Hall of Fame
or that's the story that people want to hear. So, Yes,
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excited for him that he got in on his second ballot.
So that's why we're headed out to the Hall of
Fame game because he's the headliner for the class this income.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, that's gonna be fine, dude. I'm I'm super happy
for him because, well a tight end, yes, and we
played at the same time and you got a chance
to see now, now, he was not a devastating blocker. However,
that's not what he was called to do.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I mean that's not that's.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Like comparing like he's more like the what you would
see Travis Kelsey compared to Gronk. Gronk was more like
a upgraded version of like Jason Whitten, who who I
think Jason Whitten is probably underrated because they don't. He
didn't catch as many touchdowns as everybody else, But as
far as just being a tight end, I love that
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he blocked and caught the ball, like, played the whole position.
And Gronk did as well, So I kind of lean
more towards that those guys when I when I'm like,
they're gonna get more, you know, more benefit of the
doubt in my top ten tight ends of all time.
But Antonio Gates, for what he did, it was incredible.
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He was special to watch. I'm super happy for him.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The thing about Inton, and it's funny, as you know,
was covering the draft this year, I saw it. I
felt like I saw it a lot in Harold Fannin Yes,
I was like, how is this guy?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's what I saw?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Is this guy getting open? And that's what I.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Promise you I when I would watch film, I used
to get so mad watching Antonio Gates. I was watching
Tony Gonzales. I usually get so upset because people would
come up and jam me right right and.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
There, and they would give free releases.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I'm like, he's got eighty catches already.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
No, damn him, go, damn him. Let me lose. I mean,
you're just like you would see like Antonio do mo,
Like how is that working? And it worked every time?
And you know some guys have that gift. I was
talking to Tyler Conklin a little bit earlier today and
and I think just to our Hall of Fame conversation,
he was like, yeah, man, and Antonio was my guy.
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He's like, I was playing basketball and you know, decided
to chase football. I was like, you know what, I'm
playing D two basketball. I had an opportunity to play football.
Now I'm gonna he goes. And it was because Antonio
Gates did It was the only reason I did it.
And I've now been in the NFL for six years
and I'm going on my seventh year. And that's that
story that you will tell.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
There's a there's another kid, hub He just got drafted
this last year. He came out of Utah. I forgot.
I forgot. His name was a tight end out of Utah.
But he was a basketball not keithy uh uh no, no, no, no, no, no,
not yeah, just so it was he just played this last.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Year, okay, and oh uh no not Dalton Kin cave.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
No no, no, no, no, no he was he was no, no, no,
he he just got drafted.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
In twenty twenty four, otcha. So he'll be a rookie
this year.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
But he's of that same vein he got drafted in
the sixth or seventh round. But ever, but I remember
talking to Kyle Whittingham. He was like, Yo, that kid
is going to be an NFL star in about two years.
Just just just just give him a second because he
he only played football for one year and it takes
those guys a second.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean Graham. Graham was the.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Same gram Yeah at Miami, yep.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And once they once they get it.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
It. Like if you're a basketball player, who is you
know in between like six high six four and about
six six and you're a good rebounder, you don't mind
some level of physicality, you have good hands. That translates
to the potentially playing in the NFL. If you if
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you can put on the if you can get to
like the two forty five to two sixty five range,
then you can have some success in that area.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
That's what's funny about that whole debate. And I brought
this up with Conklin today. I was like, remember the
whole basketball versus football debate. I said, think about these
football players that played basketball. Julius Peppers was playing like
ten minutes a game. He's one of the greatest defensive
ends in the history of football. You have Jimmy Graham,
who didn't play football at all, was a basketball they
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Antonio Gates on Gonzalez was like a twelve minute a
game cal reba jeez it okay, and they just light
it up in football. It's but like you said, you
have to have the build yep. But if you have
that athleticism of a basketball player Mike get god, can
you do some damage.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It's at the particular position, right, Like you couldn't take
a basketball player and have them go play quarterback or corner,
hell even running back.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Tight end. Yeah the end.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yes, that's about it, because they they just have so
many skill sets. Just like those guys who were part
time basketball players were able to be full time football
players and still go have success playing basketball. And had
they dedicated their time to playing basketball, they probably probably
would have been able to be an Anthony Mason right
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been able to be you know a Dale Davis or
or a guy that is a rebounder and you know
or the guy that.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Used to play gosh, you played for the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, never mind, I'm trying to find the guy at
There was a guy at Alabama last year. I called
a couple of their games, and darn it, I can't
find it right now. But he's that guy. I remember
I was out calling the games and there.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
And and he's going to be at Alabama again this year. Yes,
I know exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Football scouts ye at the game and I was like,
I recognize you from the combine and they're like, yeah,
we're watching so and son. I was like, oh, damn,
that makes sense now that you watch him. There's that guy.
He's like six or five physical dude. Ye looks like
he could beat the absolute hell out of the other
five players if it was a one on five event
on the on the court, right sidetrack. That's that's a
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good sign. When we get sidetracked, we're doing great. Harbaugh
earlier today was on one Man from the second he
showed up at the presser, and you can see it
at Chargers dot com. Adam cut it up for us.
What do we got first? At him? I said, foul balls?
Is that what we're doing here? So Harbaugh, I think
I have to set the backstory right or does he
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tell everything here? Yeah? So Harbaugh said he caught twenty
two foul balls as a kid at Major League baseball games.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Are we supposed to believe that he really has an
accurate account?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Here are the details.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Thirteen of those foul balls came when I was a
youngster going to Tiger's games. My dad and Gates Brown
grew up together in Crestline, Ohio. They played football, basketball,
baseball together. Sometimes we would get tickets to go to
the game at Tiger Stadium, and there might have been
like a thousand people, you know, at those games back then.
I mean, it's not like it is today. I mean,
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so we could me and my brother, we could go
to the upper deck and there'd be just me, you know,
and I'd had the section here and a section there,
So anything that came up there, I was getting it.
John had he had three sections he was covering, you know.
So we were coming away with sometimes in a game,
you know, two or three foul balls. So thirteen of
them I got there, and then I got three or
fourres Padre Stadium. Bob Spear had really good seats behind
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the third base. I take my glove and you could
count on getting really close. I think my all time
best was Chicago Wrigley Field. Got a got a home
run there, and I used my technique of going down.
You know, everybody's going up, I'm going down. I'm going down.
So you know, you get down there. And I came
up with the ball because it usually hits and then
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gets dropped, goes to the floor, you know. So, but
I came up with that one and a couple mustard
and and ketchup wrappers on my white T shirt. I
had a white T shirt. I don't I don't remember,
but it was, yeah, nineteen, nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine.
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It was one of those one of those two years.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I don't doubt the fact that he got a lot
of foul balls. I doubt the accuracy of them.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Account. Yeah, at thirteen. Here's the only thing I would
push from the time you were a ute, right, a ute,
the utes. The only thing I would push back on.
You caught a home run ball at Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You're supposed to throw it back. There ain't.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
There ain't no ketchup packets on your shirt. There's mustard packets,
but there ain't no ketchup packets. I can promise you that.
I can promise you. It was just my right there.
There's that. This was great, but and that was edited
from about a six to seven minute conversation about the
foul balls he then went into. He was asked if
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he ever had a hole in one. He said, I've
never had a hole in one. He tells a detailed
story about seeing a hole in one in the playing
group that he was in, and then talked about something
that he wished he had accomplished, like a hole in
one in his sports career.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
The other thing is I've never hit a home run
over a fence. That's us the other thing that haunts me.
I don't think that's ever going to happen. But in
my defense, both of my high school teams didn't have
a fence. It was just there was no fence, so,
you know, the home but I played, I played played
away games. I played away games where where there was
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a fence. I never hit one, you know, but yeah,
I hit home runs. I mean, you've hit in the gap.
You could, you know, like a little league home run.
We just run around all the bases, but I've never
had one actually go over over offence. Maybe my son Jack,
you know, we'll accomplish that for us and hey, the
other they think about it. Barry Bonds hit went over
a fence while I was pitching. And when he was
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Palo Alto High versus Sarah High. Uh, he almost hit
for the cycle off me too. I think he was
just missing the single.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's what it's like, y'all hit a comedy light.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's what makes the self deprecation is what makes him great.
It's not just I'm great. I'm great file bball. No.
I was pitching to Barry Bonds and he went over
a fence. I did.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Then tomorrow he'll be a curmudgeon.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Right he's uh, don't ask me about injuries. Don't ask
me about I don't want to talk about that. But
that's today. Wash was a wild one and then obviously
the big news out of Chargers camp Mike Williams retired
to a bummer. He's a good dude. Eight years and
I'm sure just said not going to do it, not
not going to do the the rehab anymore. He had
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not had an opportunity to participate, and it's a bummer,
but they did sign Trey Harris, their second round pick,
so at least all of that's getting squared away where
I think yesterday the first guy to go without a
guaranteed deal was the forty nine ers offensive lineman, and
then you had a Bear's defensive tackle go earlier today,
and now everybody's getting signed. So it just took one
to knock that first domino over. And and it was
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thanks to Mike Williams. Trey, what do you say we
get you into camp tomorrow. Let's make sure you're out there.
And you know he was having a nice mini camp too.
There was a nice rapport between he and Herbert.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
So and that's one of them. The other teams when
they saw it, they were like.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Right now, we gotta do it exactly right.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
That's and now next year there's gonna be no arguing.
You better.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It looked like it came out to about a ten
percent bump, So like last year pick fifty five got
about fifty six percent guaranteed money, and this year their
pick got sixty six percent guaranteed money. So they it's
like I don't know. It's an extra million and a
half dollars over four years. But the owners got a
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little something, the agents and the players get a little something.
And no, let's go practice. When we return low Neil
Gon join us. The former All Pro fullback, former Supercharger,
will weigh in on all things football. Is are with
George Reister making our way to seven pm. Show some
money Hey in five seventy LA Sports Live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app going till seven pm. George writes, Yam,
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But a big day today as the Chargers kicked off
the NFL season officially with football. Yes, training camp is open.
Chargers start in the Hall of Fame game two weeks
from today. They will take on the line. So each
of those two teams underway already. We had a twenty
seven minute Jim Harbaugh presser that was full of nuggets
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that we shared in the very last segment, a lot
of those. But George, someone that I know, anybody that
has put on the pads and played the game, has
an immense amount of respect for I have been politicking
for his inclusion into the Hall of Fame. Full Back
is a position, an important position. He was the best
to do it during his era of football, and a
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guy that did it for seventeen years at a high level,
the Great Lorenzo O'Neil joins us now on the Petrosen
Money Show, with George Reister filling in Low Neil, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
What's up? Money? My main man, George? How we doing? George?
Just know you're working with the man, the myth, the legends,
money Smith. All he is is money, money, money, money,
all day.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Long, twocond, let me hold something, and now I gotta
pay him. I gotta pay Low. Now I got two checks.
I got all right, Lo, let's get started with camp underway.
It was a nice e I'll ask you kind of
players coach versus task masker, task master. I know you've
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played for both, George, same for you. Harbaugh eases these
guys in. It's supposed to be a two hour practice.
They're out there for maybe fifty minutes. You said it
would be like an extended mini camp. When you see
and you hear, and you've been around Jim Harbaugh, how
would you describe him as a coach and how he's
able to get his guys excited to play for him?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I think he does a great job of first just
understanding the heartbeat of his team. When you're a coach
and George, you've been around this game, You've seen it played,
and you just know how certain guys that certain guys
they roll with that irons this and you know it's
their way, the harb or the highway, and that's particularly
sometimes that just doesn't work with consistency, and those guys
they don't they respect you and fear you, but do
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they really care about you? And Harball builds that relationship
and I think that's what he does very very well.
Knows how to push guys button, knows what to say
to certain individuals to get them to play at a
higher level. And when you speak life and if you
speak positivity, you get guys to play at a very
high level. And that's what Harball has been able to do,
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not just not just in the pro level, but the
college level as well.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
He's had a ton of success. And it feels like
his teams are extremely physical. And after last year's physical season,
what do you think the identity of this team is
for this year? Because it seems like that there needs
to be a little bit more explosion in the past game.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Oh, no question. I think everyone's saying, hey, look well, Herbert,
you know, didn't throw the ball as well. Numbers are
down this last year. What happened? And I'm gonna tell
you right now. Harball wants you know, he wants to
be a physical and the physicality type of football and
the brand of football he wants to play. But guys,
it's sort of like Paul Revere. He couldn't tell him
the British Will Company if he didn't have the horses
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up front. I think this year is going to be
a totally different year. Scratch last year, because you got
the horses, not only up front, but you have the
horse is in the back bill this year. That is
going to be a huge I then guarantee this team
runs for over seven to eight on the yards more
rushing than they did last year. You can take that
to the bank, because I'm telling you this team has
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way better backs, no disrespect but just the guys that
are injury prone. But these two backs that you have
one in two one A one B. I think you're
gonna see lightning in the bottle again.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah and lo, you know today unfortunate news. I think
anyone that's ever been around Mike Williams appreciates him as
as an individual, as a teammate, as a co worker,
one of everybody's favorites, and the Chargers, and it comes
as a huge surprise. We thought he was going to
be you know, wide receiver two and the perfect compliment
to Lad McConkie. Instead, he decides to retire last night. Now,
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you were fortunate, you got to play this game for
sixteen years and probably leave it on your own terms,
But you were probably around a lot of guys like this,
guys that you you know, he just turned thirty, he's
had two thousand yards seasons. Kind of what what happens?
How do they come to this point? What do you
think was happening with Mike when he decided to walk
away with from millions of dollars because it just just
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wasn't happening.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, And it's tough, especially when you see a guy
like Mike Williams that wants to come back and make
it right on the second stint with the Chargers and
he understands opportunities never lost is just giving to someone else.
And you're a grown man planning a Kings Kids game,
getting the King's Ransom Mike wanted to play this guy.
You know you saw him out there, he saw him
warm enough, he saw him. You know an OTA's off
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to the side trying to catch a couple backs, but
your body tells you. I remember being year seventeen. I
was with the Raiders and I was doing special teams
as well, and we're doing kickoff teams, and I remember
looking at a point where going one on ones where
you got to beat a guy to a spot and
the guy has to drop back, and I took on
and I was like, I got to get there. And
I knew at that moment when I said, okay, I
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got to get there. And you have to think about it.
I think when you're Mike Williams with these older guys
and guys are starting to see it or your body's
starts to break down, you just know you know what
it takes to be great. You know what it takes,
what it takes to be out on that field. And
when you're just not fully one hundred percent and you're
just half half the guy you know you can be.
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It's tough, and it's kudos to Mike for understanding and
saying realizing it. You know what this team I love
this team. I'm not gonna do this to this team,
but most of all, I'm not gonna do this to
myself and money. I'm telling you that's a tough, humbling
experience that you have to come to a realization. But
he was able to do it. He stepped away from
a game, a game that he's loved, the game that
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he's played probably since the third or fourth grade. It's tough.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
It's tough when when we're looking at this AFC West
this year, it feels like another time where this is
gonna be one of the toughest divisions in football. The
Raiders are making an attempt to get better. Obviously, the
Chiefs are the Chiefs. What do you expect out of
this Chargers team?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Is it playoffs? Is it a potential Super Bowl? And
I know we're early because training camp hasn't started, but
what's your expectations.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Well, I think a lot of this expectation is going
to be I know we talked about offense, entertainment, defense,
wins championship. It's going to be a lot of this offense.
This offense, you have a high power offense that can
score points and put points on the board. It's going
to be interested just to see the maturity of Herbert
and seeing how this offense, how it not digress, but
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how it increased its productivity on the field. Because last year,
you know, you had guys the receiver position. Let's face it,
Lad mcconukeee came on and took over the league by storm.
But here's a guy that looked what that productivity he
had as a rookie. Now you have a guy that
understands and what they went out and did in free
agency and also in the draft at the receiver position.
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I think this team can't be judged by last year.
I think that the season's tougher. Met Me and let
Money both agreed that the season and the schedules a
lot tougher. But I really believe that the Chargers have
gotten better and they need to win a playoff game.
It's not just playoffs. You need to get find a
way to get in the playoffs and win a game.
If you win a game in the playoffs, This Charger
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team and AFC guys, you can't on paper, you can't
just say that Kansas City is just heading shoulders above
the rest of the AFC. It is a packed at
the top.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I mean, look, they put three in the playoffs last year, Denver,
the Chargers and the Chiefs all getting in, and a
lot of people think all three of those teams are
going to be pretty darn good this year, or probably
better than they were last year. Low and I do
a Believe podcast together, Believe in Chargers. You can watch
it on YouTube. Just posted a new episode yesterday, and
typically we're just kind of talking about Charger stuff and
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what's going on and every now and then, I like,
because Low's too humble, but I like to drag out
the greatness of Lorenzo O'Neil from him, So for other
people listening here, Low, I don't think it's a coincidence
that when you look at Lorenzo's career, you see Ladanian, Domlinson,
Hall of Famer Loneil blowing up those holes and making
that path easier for him, Eddie George and Tennessee, Corey
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Dillon and Cincinnati. Of all the backs, though, Low, I
want to know what did defenders like, What were your
conversations like with linebackers and safeties after they played you
when you were in Tampa and it was the Lorenzo
O'Neill leading Mike Alstott attack on the ground.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I tell you what, it was interesting. Guys would say, low, slow,
you're crazy blankety bling down, what are you doing? It
was fun. Man. I love going through those battles playing
against guys I mean Rudd. I remember playing against Rudd
Minnesota Vikings, and the Vikings were undefeated money and we
came into Tampa Bay that year and go look, Mike
al said, ran for I think one hundred and forty
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some yards work done, think one hundred and we lined up.
I think we ran the ball over forty Some times.
Rudd got so mad that we were running such much
lead at Hilton coming right out, he took his helmet
offense at it end upcast of them the game. So
I tell you, man, I just love the physicality of
football and what the fullback position and what football is
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still and can be. When you watch guys like Derrik
Henry get downhill, I love it. I love the game
lt what he meant to the Chargers and what he
meant to the National Football League. It's hard to find
guys better than these guys that.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I was able to block for Lorenza.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I have this conversation with Brandon Mebane all the all
the time at school when we when we drop off
the kids, we standing there talking and he's like, we
need to bring fullbacks back. Football is not the same
without fullbacks. Do you believe that that you get?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
He said? He said, you.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Can't win a Super Bowl without a fullback. Do you
believe that to be true? And will fullbacks come back
in style?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Hey, I tell money all the time. Let's make fullbacks
greaty gear. No, you know what's the game is? So
it goes in and out sometimes and times, and fullbacks
come in and fullbacks go out. The age backs is
involved in of the age back. The thing is the
physicality of the game. You have to have guys that
want to get downhill, that want you go in there
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with with bad intentions. And that's what I did. I
knew that the fullback means Sam Gash, Mike gall said,
the mouse Johnson, you know, Larry Sinners, those guys, Mike Trump,
we talked, man, we had a we had a group
of guys that we said we're gonna make guys apologize
for sticking in here. Tony Richardson, that's the difference when
you play fullback it has to be aggressive. You have
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to create a new line of scrimmage and move guys
out of the hole. And so I think I do
believe this game can get back being visible like that.
And what in better place than having a great fullback
than La Chargers because hardball, he's that type of guy
that wants physical guys. If you want to play fullback,
you show the Chargers that you wouldn't be willing to
put your nose in there. And I'm telling you the
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Chargers can and will bring the fullback position back again.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Great Lorenzo O'Neil right up against it.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Low.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
We appreciate the time, believe in Chargers on YouTube, on podcasts,
and of course the Great Lorenzo O'Neil gonna be out.
I'm sure at training camps all the fans that are
going out to the bolt be sure to keep your
eyes out for him, because no doubt he'll get you
those autographs that you're that you're searching for the number
forty one jerseys are We're going to be out in
full force when Low rolls onto the spot. We appreciate it, Lorenzo,
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I have a great one, dude, And there he goes,
the Great lo'neil make fullbacks great again.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I love his passion, yes, and I love his energy.
Full Backs aren't coming back. I hate to be the
bear bad. No, you got Patrick Riccarton Baltimore. Yes, you
got Check.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You just check in San Francisco and you got Scott
matt Locke three hundred and five pounds with the Los
Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yes, so I will. I will say it like this.
Actually I'll rephrase it. The traditional fullback is not coming back.
That You're gonna have to be us check, which is
a hybrid. It's like an h backslash tighty.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yes, so that's where the fullback is big.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Thanks to Loo. When we return, got to dig into
the amateur ranks of football with George Reister. Some disturbing
news out of high school football that we'll dig into.
And then the six o'clock hours we make our way
towards seven. Here on a five seventy LA sports petro
some money AM five seventy LA Sports Live everywhere on
the iheartradiop going until seven pm. George Wrights are having
a great time. We have a little over an hour
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left before we pass it along to Fox Sports tonight,
and we have covered all things football, save for the
most part high school football. We're a big high school
football show. George. I know you have a son, you
have two sons that played the one that has played
high school football, one that's about to play high school football,
and a lot of converse. I don't know if you
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saw the story with Teddy Bridgewater and.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Just just gross.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So you got a coach that's taking care of kids,
getting them rides to practice, getting them rides home from school,
making sure they got some food in their mouth. Essentials,
that's what he's taken care of and one of the
big and so for people to miss the story, he
suspended the you know, and look who knows if it's
other schools in the conference that are pissed that he's
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there and they want and kids now want to go
play for Teddy Bridgewater and whatever. It's Florida football. It's
similar to Texas football, it's similar to California football. It's
a it's a dog eat dog world and and every
it's a big money business now. But question is do
you because the pushback is, well, look, private schools do
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this all the time. Yep, this is not the and
I'm just gonna pick the two biggest names, because everybody listening,
you know, will know them. I'm not picking on them,
but it's modern day Bosco, Saint John Bosco lotter day.
That's not what they is. They get away with stuff
far more egregious than this. You should have let this slide.
So I'm not asking you about whether or not they
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and you can weigh in on it if you want to.
But do you believe there is too great of an
inequity in high school sports right now for it to
still be is it? Is it trending toward what we're
now seeing in college sports, yes, and no longer looking
like amateur sports one hundred percent? Is it beyond the
point of no return?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
So no, no, no, no, it's not beyond the point
of no return. We're okay, So the let's let's let's
look at the Teddy Bridgewater situation as a whole and
related to California. So he was essentially he's essentially in
a socioeconomically disadvantaged situation here. So you have kids who
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have food insecurity who don't know if they're gonna eat.
He's asking him to come out practice every day and
they're not eating, and that's a problem. Some of them
don't have access to get to practice, so he was
providing uber rides for them. He's providing pregame meals so
they can go out and play good football. Right at
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Saint John Bosco, at Modern Day, at Shamanad, at Sierra Canyon,
at Oaks Christian at Yeah O lou j Sarah, all
of them, they're all getting pregame meals.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
They all if I know for a fact, I've paid
for him before exactly so, and if.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
They're not anything that they need, like like basic sports
necessities they have. What happens at Inglewood High School? What
happens hell at Burbank High School? What happens at the
other place that don't have big booster situations? Yes, and now,
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when I was in high school, Silmar was a powerhouse,
so was Carson. So were all these schools. It's yes,
it well, Los All is still pretty good now. But
but if if Silmar tried to play Sierra Canyon right now,
what it looked.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Like sixty point victory?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Bit because they called off the dogs like they they
just can't compete because they don't have the resources.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And you can't blame parents for sending their their kids.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
To well in addition to the hopes that they'll play
Division one foot football. They want their kids obviously, they
value the education, the safe environment, so as so you
can't knock a parent for saying, listen, I want my
kids to have a nicer time at school.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Because yes, because he's.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Talented and all these things, but there does need to
be a situation where like the and and and Eric Sodenheimer,
who does a great job. Yes, yes, and sometimes he's
a little aggressive with like the trans records.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Why are they playing the game at eight pm? It's
just ridiculous. But yes, he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
He is.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
He is.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Get off my long guy.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Pre game meal was disgusting. But the thing is he
does care, like cares desperately.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
That that is the thing.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
And that and I and there's a guy who was
covering college high school football when I came, he covered
me and my kid.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So so is that I feel exactly.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
So it's just so like there has to be a
way where, yes, and where instead of slamming the public
schools when a kid transfers and all of this stuff,
but when they go to the private school, it's like, oh,
I figure it out.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, it's just it's bad.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
And it also just creates a system where, like you know,
Crenshaw High School, are they even gonna fill the team anymore?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
It's it's sad. Honestly.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
We had that with Petros's alma mater Peninsula a few
years ago. You know, it's it's hard because all the
good players, like you said, you cannot fault them for
getting in the van and driving to Modern Day or
getting in the van and driving to Bosco or Jay
Sarah Yep. Fact, we had kids that were at Modern
Day that left Modern Day to go to Jay Sarah. Yes,
in high school and it's bus right yep, forty minutes
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away from modern Day and sixty from where they live.
And yet that and nobody faults them. Well, you know
it wasn't gonna play, and you get the starting job
out there, and yet this guy can't give uber rides,
sandwiches and try to take care of kids just so
they can have the basic necessities to play high schools.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And I found that you had some people that are like, well,
well he knew the rules. Yes, you you are one
hundred percent right that, like rules are rules and you
have to follow them and all of those things. But
there are some things that are the spirit of the rule, right,
and there's the actual rule.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
And by the way, good luck looking at a kid
who's hungry. What are you sorry, man, I got these rules.
I can't I can't give you a meal. Yeah, I know,
I know you haven't eaten for twelve hours. Yeah, and
we're about to practice. But I can't can't give you
this uncrustable just it's against the rules.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I know. I'm pulling up in a nice car
and I'm going home in a nice car.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
My kids are eating right, and I have the ability
to help you, right, But I have no ability to
help you. It's like in college sports when kids got
ruled ineligible for it was a coach who bought a
player a suit to go to a family member's funeral.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's exactly right, and that became that became an nca
violent What. Yes, Meanwhile, you've got a wide receiver getting
a dodge Ram fifteen hundred. That's worth one hundred and
twenty five grand just for agreed to re sign with
the team. Still got an hour left. We'll do your
quick hits and if you miss Dan Wilkin, he was great.
We're going to replay that gets your dead and the
live guy birthday of the day it's patrush Money. George
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Reister filling in here on AM five seven ALA Sports
That's right, goham, and he had a glove. You go
back up on the hill.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Jesus, damn good, good good, great sports talk.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
All right, Hells, it's just hard.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We will handle at them. We will handle at them.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Gosh, it's hard.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, it's hard. I buy expensive suits. They just look
cheap on me. Dogget us what pa chro some money.
I don't remember who said that. Oh you know what,
I think that's a Warren Buffett quote. I buy expensive suits.
They just look cheap on me. Petros and Money and
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five seventy l a Sports Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio.
George Reister in for PP joined us in the last
segment Wild Lee entertaining as he's driving back from Las Vegas.
Anything you miss you can always relive through the Petros
Money Podcast in the iHeartRadio app. We have dig Baseball
tomorrow here on your home of the world champion Dodgers
and Jose Mota will be on the call. He joined
us earlier as well, so Galpin Motors broadcast Booth seven
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to ten PM. Dodgers on deck at six. The great
Lorenzo O'Neil, one of my favorite people in all the world,
and one of the all time greats in the history
of football, perhaps the finest fullback that ever walked the earth,
will join us, number forty one on his chest, number
one in your Super Charger hearts. So he'll be in
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the next segment and we'll roll until seven o'clock. Off day.
Dodger talk coming up as a matter of fact at
seven pm. But here an opportunity to the top of George.
I was out at the Bolt earlier today, the new
well it was new last year. Second year. Now that
the Chargers new facility is open. Training camp under way
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because they will play in the Hall of Fame Game.
The NFL decided, not only are we sending you to Brazil,
not only are you a West Coast team that has
to play the AFC South in the NFC East this year,
but we want to make sure we get you an
extra few thousand miles. We're sending you to the You're
sending you to Canton for the Hall of Fame game.
It does make sense. Obviously, Antonio Gate's going to be
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inducted into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
Man, I'm so happy he should. He should have been
in on the first ballot, no.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Question, that made no sense.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Yes, he a tight end with over one hundred touchdowns.
Exactly what are we talking about. He's one of the
five best tight ends that have ever tied up shoes.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
And by the way, like the thing about the Hall
of Fame, I know you've been to the Hall of Fame,
but it's it's a place where you tell stories. Yep,
what's better than a story of a guy that played
basketball at Kent State, was an under free agent and
became one of the greatest tight ends in the history
of football. Yes, like that's first ballot Hall of Fame
or that's the story that people want to hear. So, Yes,
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excited for him that he got in on his second ballot.
So that's why we're headed out to the Hall of
Fame game because he's the headliner for the class this income.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
Yeah, that's gonna be fine, dude. I'm I'm super happy
for him because, well a tight end, yes, and we
played at the same time and you got a chance
to see now, now, he was not a devastating blocker. However,
that's not what he was called to do.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I mean that's not that's.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Like comparing like he's more like the what you would
see Travis Kelsey compared to Gronk. Gronk was more like
a upgraded version of like Jason Whitten, who who I
think Jason Whitten is probably underrated because they don't. He
didn't catch as many touchdowns as everybody else, But as
far as just being a tight end, I love that
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he blocked and caught the ball, like, played the whole position.
And Gronk did as well, So I kind of lean
more towards that those guys when I when I'm like,
they're gonna get more, you know, more benefit of the
doubt in my top ten tight ends of all time.
But Antonio Gates, for what he did, it was incredible.
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He was special to watch. I'm super happy for him.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
The thing about Inton, and it's funny, as you know,
was covering the draft this year, I saw it. I
felt like I saw it a lot in Harold Fannin Yes,
I was like, how is this guy?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
That's what I saw?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Is this guy getting open? And that's what I.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
Promise you I when I would watch film, I used
to get so mad watching Antonio Gates. I was watching
Tony Gonzales. I usually get so upset because people would
come up and jam me right right and.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
There, and they would give free releases.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
I'm like, he's got eighty catches already.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
No, damn him, go, damn him. Let me lose. I mean,
you're just like you would see like Antonio do mo,
Like how is that working? And it worked every time?
And you know some guys have that gift. I was
talking to Tyler Conklin a little bit earlier today and
and I think just to our Hall of Fame conversation,
he was like, yeah, man, and Antonio was my guy.
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He's like, I was playing basketball and you know, decided
to chase football. I was like, you know what, I'm
playing D two basketball. I had an opportunity to play football.
Now I'm gonna he goes. And it was because Antonio
Gates did It was the only reason I did it.
And I've now been in the NFL for six years
and I'm going on my seventh year. And that's that
story that you will tell.
Speaker 4 (05:14):
There's a there's another kid, hub He just got drafted
this last year. He came out of Utah. I forgot.
I forgot. His name was a tight end out of Utah.
But he was a basketball not keithy uh uh no, no, no, no, no, no,
not yeah, just so it was he just played this last.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Year, okay, and oh uh no not Dalton Kin cave.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
No no, no, no, no, no he was he was no, no, no,
he he just got drafted.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
In twenty twenty four, otcha. So he'll be a rookie
this year.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
But he's of that same vein he got drafted in
the sixth or seventh round. But ever, but I remember
talking to Kyle Whittingham. He was like, Yo, that kid
is going to be an NFL star in about two years.
Just just just just give him a second because he
he only played football for one year and it takes
those guys a second.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean Graham. Graham was the.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Same gram Yeah at Miami, yep.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
And once they once they get it.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
It. Like if you're a basketball player, who is you
know in between like six high six four and about
six six and you're a good rebounder, you don't mind
some level of physicality, you have good hands. That translates
to the potentially playing in the NFL. If you if
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you can put on the if you can get to
like the two forty five to two sixty five range,
then you can have some success in that area.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
That's what's funny about that whole debate. And I brought
this up with Conklin today. I was like, remember the
whole basketball versus football debate. I said, think about these
football players that played basketball. Julius Peppers was playing like
ten minutes a game. He's one of the greatest defensive
ends in the history of football. You have Jimmy Graham,
who didn't play football at all, was a basketball they
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Antonio Gates on Gonzalez was like a twelve minute a
game cal reba jeez it okay, and they just light
it up in football. It's but like you said, you
have to have the build yep. But if you have
that athleticism of a basketball player Mike get god, can
you do some damage.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
It's at the particular position, right, Like you couldn't take
a basketball player and have them go play quarterback or corner,
hell even running back.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Tight end. Yeah the end.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yes, that's about it, because they they just have so
many skill sets. Just like those guys who were part
time basketball players were able to be full time football
players and still go have success playing basketball. And had
they dedicated their time to playing basketball, they probably probably
would have been able to be an Anthony Mason right
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been able to be you know a Dale Davis or
or a guy that is a rebounder and you know
or the guy that.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Used to play gosh, you played for the Clippers.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Well, never mind, I'm trying to find the guy at
There was a guy at Alabama last year. I called
a couple of their games, and darn it, I can't
find it right now. But he's that guy. I remember
I was out calling the games and there.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
And and he's going to be at Alabama again this year. Yes,
I know exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Football scouts ye at the game and I was like,
I recognize you from the combine and they're like, yeah,
we're watching so and son. I was like, oh, damn,
that makes sense now that you watch him. There's that guy.
He's like six or five physical dude. Ye looks like
he could beat the absolute hell out of the other
five players if it was a one on five event
on the on the court, right sidetrack. That's that's a
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good sign. When we get sidetracked, we're doing great. Harbaugh
earlier today was on one Man from the second he
showed up at the presser, and you can see it
at Chargers dot com. Adam cut it up for us.
What do we got first? At him? I said, foul balls?
Is that what we're doing here? So Harbaugh, I think
I have to set the backstory right or does he
(09:01):
tell everything here? Yeah? So Harbaugh said he caught twenty
two foul balls as a kid at Major League baseball games.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Are we supposed to believe that he really has an
accurate account?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Here are the details.
Speaker 5 (09:13):
Thirteen of those foul balls came when I was a
youngster going to Tiger's games. My dad and Gates Brown
grew up together in Crestline, Ohio. They played football, basketball,
baseball together. Sometimes we would get tickets to go to
the game at Tiger Stadium, and there might have been
like a thousand people, you know, at those games back then.
I mean, it's not like it is today. I mean,
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so we could me and my brother, we could go
to the upper deck and there'd be just me, you know,
and I'd had the section here and a section there,
So anything that came up there, I was getting it.
John had he had three sections he was covering, you know.
So we were coming away with sometimes in a game,
you know, two or three foul balls. So thirteen of
them I got there, and then I got three or
fourres Padre Stadium. Bob Spear had really good seats behind
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the third base. I take my glove and you could
count on getting really close. I think my all time
best was Chicago Wrigley Field. Got a got a home
run there, and I used my technique of going down.
You know, everybody's going up, I'm going down. I'm going down.
So you know, you get down there. And I came
up with the ball because it usually hits and then
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gets dropped, goes to the floor, you know. So, but
I came up with that one and a couple mustard
and and ketchup wrappers on my white T shirt. I
had a white T shirt. I don't I don't remember,
but it was, yeah, nineteen, nineteen eighty eight, eighty nine.
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It was one of those one of those two years.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
I don't doubt the fact that he got a lot
of foul balls. I doubt the accuracy of them.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Account. Yeah, at thirteen. Here's the only thing I would
push from the time you were a ute, right, a ute,
the utes. The only thing I would push back on.
You caught a home run ball at Chicago.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You're supposed to throw it back. There ain't.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
There ain't no ketchup packets on your shirt. There's mustard packets,
but there ain't no ketchup packets. I can promise you that.
I can promise you. It was just my right there.
There's that. This was great, but and that was edited
from about a six to seven minute conversation about the
foul balls he then went into. He was asked if
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he ever had a hole in one. He said, I've
never had a hole in one. He tells a detailed
story about seeing a hole in one in the playing
group that he was in, and then talked about something
that he wished he had accomplished, like a hole in
one in his sports career.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (11:42):
The other thing is I've never hit a home run
over a fence. That's us the other thing that haunts me.
I don't think that's ever going to happen. But in
my defense, both of my high school teams didn't have
a fence. It was just there was no fence, so,
you know, the home but I played, I played played
away games. I played away games where where there was
(12:03):
a fence. I never hit one, you know, but yeah,
I hit home runs. I mean, you've hit in the gap.
You could, you know, like a little league home run.
We just run around all the bases, but I've never
had one actually go over over offence. Maybe my son Jack,
you know, we'll accomplish that for us and hey, the
other they think about it. Barry Bonds hit went over
a fence while I was pitching. And when he was
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Palo Alto High versus Sarah High. Uh, he almost hit
for the cycle off me too. I think he was
just missing the single.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
That's what it's like, y'all hit a comedy light.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's what makes the self deprecation is what makes him great.
It's not just I'm great. I'm great file bball. No.
I was pitching to Barry Bonds and he went over
a fence. I did.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Then tomorrow he'll be a curmudgeon.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Right he's uh, don't ask me about injuries. Don't ask
me about I don't want to talk about that. But
that's today. Wash was a wild one and then obviously
the big news out of Chargers camp Mike Williams retired
to a bummer. He's a good dude. Eight years and
I'm sure just said not going to do it, not
not going to do the the rehab anymore. He had
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not had an opportunity to participate, and it's a bummer,
but they did sign Trey Harris, their second round pick,
so at least all of that's getting squared away where
I think yesterday the first guy to go without a
guaranteed deal was the forty nine ers offensive lineman, and
then you had a Bear's defensive tackle go earlier today,
and now everybody's getting signed. So it just took one
to knock that first domino over. And and it was
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thanks to Mike Williams. Trey, what do you say we
get you into camp tomorrow. Let's make sure you're out there.
And you know he was having a nice mini camp too.
There was a nice rapport between he and Herbert.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
So and that's one of them. The other teams when
they saw it, they were like.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Right now, we gotta do it exactly right.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
That's and now next year there's gonna be no arguing.
You better.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
It looked like it came out to about a ten
percent bump, So like last year pick fifty five got
about fifty six percent guaranteed money, and this year their
pick got sixty six percent guaranteed money. So they it's
like I don't know. It's an extra million and a
half dollars over four years. But the owners got a
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little something, the agents and the players get a little something.
And no, let's go practice. When we return low Neil
Gon join us. The former All Pro fullback, former Supercharger,
will weigh in on all things football. Is are with
George Reister making our way to seven pm. Show some
money Hey in five seventy LA Sports Live everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app going till seven pm. George writes, Yam,
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But a big day today as the Chargers kicked off
the NFL season officially with football. Yes, training camp is open.
Chargers start in the Hall of Fame game two weeks
from today. They will take on the line. So each
of those two teams underway already. We had a twenty
seven minute Jim Harbaugh presser that was full of nuggets
(15:04):
that we shared in the very last segment, a lot
of those. But George, someone that I know, anybody that
has put on the pads and played the game, has
an immense amount of respect for I have been politicking
for his inclusion into the Hall of Fame. Full Back
is a position, an important position. He was the best
to do it during his era of football, and a
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guy that did it for seventeen years at a high level,
the Great Lorenzo O'Neil joins us now on the Petrosen
Money Show, with George Reister filling in Low Neil, what's happening?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
What's up? Money? My main man, George? How we doing? George?
Just know you're working with the man, the myth, the legends,
money Smith. All he is is money, money, money, money,
all day.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Long, twocond, let me hold something, and now I gotta
pay him. I gotta pay Low. Now I got two checks.
I got all right, Lo, let's get started with camp underway.
It was a nice e I'll ask you kind of
players coach versus task masker, task master. I know you've
(16:07):
played for both, George, same for you. Harbaugh eases these
guys in. It's supposed to be a two hour practice.
They're out there for maybe fifty minutes. You said it
would be like an extended mini camp. When you see
and you hear, and you've been around Jim Harbaugh, how
would you describe him as a coach and how he's
able to get his guys excited to play for him?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I think he does a great job of first just
understanding the heartbeat of his team. When you're a coach
and George, you've been around this game, You've seen it played,
and you just know how certain guys that certain guys
they roll with that irons this and you know it's
their way, the harb or the highway, and that's particularly
sometimes that just doesn't work with consistency, and those guys
they don't they respect you and fear you, but do
(16:48):
they really care about you? And Harball builds that relationship
and I think that's what he does very very well.
Knows how to push guys button, knows what to say
to certain individuals to get them to play at a
higher level. And when you speak life and if you
speak positivity, you get guys to play at a very
high level. And that's what Harball has been able to do,
(17:08):
not just not just in the pro level, but the
college level as well.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
He's had a ton of success. And it feels like
his teams are extremely physical. And after last year's physical season,
what do you think the identity of this team is
for this year? Because it seems like that there needs
to be a little bit more explosion in the past game.
Speaker 3 (17:32):
Oh, no question. I think everyone's saying, hey, look well, Herbert,
you know, didn't throw the ball as well. Numbers are
down this last year. What happened? And I'm gonna tell
you right now. Harball wants you know, he wants to
be a physical and the physicality type of football and
the brand of football he wants to play. But guys,
it's sort of like Paul Revere. He couldn't tell him
the British Will Company if he didn't have the horses
(17:52):
up front. I think this year is going to be
a totally different year. Scratch last year, because you got
the horses, not only up front, but you have the
horse is in the back bill this year. That is
going to be a huge I then guarantee this team
runs for over seven to eight on the yards more
rushing than they did last year. You can take that
to the bank, because I'm telling you this team has
(18:13):
way better backs, no disrespect but just the guys that
are injury prone. But these two backs that you have
one in two one A one B. I think you're
gonna see lightning in the bottle again.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah and lo, you know today unfortunate news. I think
anyone that's ever been around Mike Williams appreciates him as
as an individual, as a teammate, as a co worker,
one of everybody's favorites, and the Chargers, and it comes
as a huge surprise. We thought he was going to
be you know, wide receiver two and the perfect compliment
to Lad McConkie. Instead, he decides to retire last night. Now,
(18:46):
you were fortunate, you got to play this game for
sixteen years and probably leave it on your own terms,
But you were probably around a lot of guys like this,
guys that you you know, he just turned thirty, he's
had two thousand yards seasons. Kind of what what happens?
How do they come to this point? What do you
think was happening with Mike when he decided to walk
away with from millions of dollars because it just just
(19:09):
wasn't happening.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, And it's tough, especially when you see a guy
like Mike Williams that wants to come back and make
it right on the second stint with the Chargers and
he understands opportunities never lost is just giving to someone else.
And you're a grown man planning a Kings Kids game,
getting the King's Ransom Mike wanted to play this guy.
You know you saw him out there, he saw him
warm enough, he saw him. You know an OTA's off
(19:32):
to the side trying to catch a couple backs, but
your body tells you. I remember being year seventeen. I
was with the Raiders and I was doing special teams
as well, and we're doing kickoff teams, and I remember
looking at a point where going one on ones where
you got to beat a guy to a spot and
the guy has to drop back, and I took on
and I was like, I got to get there. And
I knew at that moment when I said, okay, I
(19:53):
got to get there. And you have to think about it.
I think when you're Mike Williams with these older guys
and guys are starting to see it or your body's
starts to break down, you just know you know what
it takes to be great. You know what it takes,
what it takes to be out on that field. And
when you're just not fully one hundred percent and you're
just half half the guy you know you can be.
(20:15):
It's tough, and it's kudos to Mike for understanding and
saying realizing it. You know what this team I love
this team. I'm not gonna do this to this team,
but most of all, I'm not gonna do this to
myself and money. I'm telling you that's a tough, humbling
experience that you have to come to a realization. But
he was able to do it. He stepped away from
a game, a game that he's loved, the game that
(20:35):
he's played probably since the third or fourth grade. It's tough.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
It's tough when when we're looking at this AFC West
this year, it feels like another time where this is
gonna be one of the toughest divisions in football. The
Raiders are making an attempt to get better. Obviously, the
Chiefs are the Chiefs. What do you expect out of
this Chargers team?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (20:58):
Is it playoffs? Is it a potential Super Bowl? And
I know we're early because training camp hasn't started, but
what's your expectations.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Well, I think a lot of this expectation is going
to be I know we talked about offense, entertainment, defense,
wins championship. It's going to be a lot of this offense.
This offense, you have a high power offense that can
score points and put points on the board. It's going
to be interested just to see the maturity of Herbert
and seeing how this offense, how it not digress, but
(21:29):
how it increased its productivity on the field. Because last year,
you know, you had guys the receiver position. Let's face it,
Lad mcconukeee came on and took over the league by storm.
But here's a guy that looked what that productivity he
had as a rookie. Now you have a guy that
understands and what they went out and did in free
agency and also in the draft at the receiver position.
(21:52):
I think this team can't be judged by last year.
I think that the season's tougher. Met Me and let
Money both agreed that the season and the schedules a
lot tougher. But I really believe that the Chargers have
gotten better and they need to win a playoff game.
It's not just playoffs. You need to get find a
way to get in the playoffs and win a game.
If you win a game in the playoffs, This Charger
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team and AFC guys, you can't on paper, you can't
just say that Kansas City is just heading shoulders above
the rest of the AFC. It is a packed at
the top.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I mean, look, they put three in the playoffs last year, Denver,
the Chargers and the Chiefs all getting in, and a
lot of people think all three of those teams are
going to be pretty darn good this year, or probably
better than they were last year. Low and I do
a Believe podcast together, Believe in Chargers. You can watch
it on YouTube. Just posted a new episode yesterday, and
typically we're just kind of talking about Charger stuff and
(22:44):
what's going on and every now and then, I like,
because Low's too humble, but I like to drag out
the greatness of Lorenzo O'Neil from him, So for other
people listening here, Low, I don't think it's a coincidence
that when you look at Lorenzo's career, you see Ladanian, Domlinson,
Hall of Famer Loneil blowing up those holes and making
that path easier for him, Eddie George and Tennessee, Corey
(23:08):
Dillon and Cincinnati. Of all the backs, though, Low, I
want to know what did defenders like, What were your
conversations like with linebackers and safeties after they played you
when you were in Tampa and it was the Lorenzo
O'Neill leading Mike Alstott attack on the ground.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
I tell you what, it was interesting. Guys would say, low, slow,
you're crazy blankety bling down, what are you doing? It
was fun. Man. I love going through those battles playing
against guys I mean Rudd. I remember playing against Rudd
Minnesota Vikings, and the Vikings were undefeated money and we
came into Tampa Bay that year and go look, Mike
al said, ran for I think one hundred and forty
(23:49):
some yards work done, think one hundred and we lined up.
I think we ran the ball over forty Some times.
Rudd got so mad that we were running such much
lead at Hilton coming right out, he took his helmet
offense at it end upcast of them the game. So
I tell you, man, I just love the physicality of
football and what the fullback position and what football is
(24:10):
still and can be. When you watch guys like Derrik
Henry get downhill, I love it. I love the game
lt what he meant to the Chargers and what he
meant to the National Football League. It's hard to find
guys better than these guys that.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I was able to block for Lorenza.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
I have this conversation with Brandon Mebane all the all
the time at school when we when we drop off
the kids, we standing there talking and he's like, we
need to bring fullbacks back. Football is not the same
without fullbacks. Do you believe that that you get?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
He said? He said, you.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Can't win a Super Bowl without a fullback. Do you
believe that to be true? And will fullbacks come back
in style?
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Hey, I tell money all the time. Let's make fullbacks
greaty gear. No, you know what's the game is? So
it goes in and out sometimes and times, and fullbacks
come in and fullbacks go out. The age backs is
involved in of the age back. The thing is the
physicality of the game. You have to have guys that
want to get downhill, that want you go in there
(25:12):
with with bad intentions. And that's what I did. I
knew that the fullback means Sam Gash, Mike gall said,
the mouse Johnson, you know, Larry Sinners, those guys, Mike Trump,
we talked, man, we had a we had a group
of guys that we said we're gonna make guys apologize
for sticking in here. Tony Richardson, that's the difference when
you play fullback it has to be aggressive. You have
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to create a new line of scrimmage and move guys
out of the hole. And so I think I do
believe this game can get back being visible like that.
And what in better place than having a great fullback
than La Chargers because hardball, he's that type of guy
that wants physical guys. If you want to play fullback,
you show the Chargers that you wouldn't be willing to
put your nose in there. And I'm telling you the
(25:57):
Chargers can and will bring the fullback position back again.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Great Lorenzo O'Neil right up against it.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Low.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
We appreciate the time, believe in Chargers on YouTube, on podcasts,
and of course the Great Lorenzo O'Neil gonna be out.
I'm sure at training camps all the fans that are
going out to the bolt be sure to keep your
eyes out for him, because no doubt he'll get you
those autographs that you're that you're searching for the number
forty one jerseys are We're going to be out in
full force when Low rolls onto the spot. We appreciate it, Lorenzo,
(26:27):
I have a great one, dude, And there he goes,
the Great lo'neil make fullbacks great again.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
I love his passion, yes, and I love his energy.
Full Backs aren't coming back. I hate to be the
bear bad. No, you got Patrick Riccarton Baltimore. Yes, you
got Check.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
You just check in San Francisco and you got Scott
matt Locke three hundred and five pounds with the Los
Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yes, so I will. I will say it like this.
Actually I'll rephrase it. The traditional fullback is not coming back.
That You're gonna have to be us check, which is
a hybrid. It's like an h backslash tighty.
Speaker 1 (27:13):
Yes, so that's where the fullback is big.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Thanks to Loo. When we return, got to dig into
the amateur ranks of football with George Reister. Some disturbing
news out of high school football that we'll dig into.
And then the six o'clock hours we make our way
towards seven. Here on a five seventy LA sports petro
some money AM five seventy LA Sports Live everywhere on
the iheartradiop going until seven pm. George Wrights are having
a great time. We have a little over an hour
(27:39):
left before we pass it along to Fox Sports tonight,
and we have covered all things football, save for the
most part high school football. We're a big high school
football show. George. I know you have a son, you
have two sons that played the one that has played
high school football, one that's about to play high school football,
and a lot of converse. I don't know if you
(28:00):
saw the story with Teddy Bridgewater and.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Just just gross.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
So you got a coach that's taking care of kids,
getting them rides to practice, getting them rides home from school,
making sure they got some food in their mouth. Essentials,
that's what he's taken care of and one of the
big and so for people to miss the story, he
suspended the you know, and look who knows if it's
other schools in the conference that are pissed that he's
(28:27):
there and they want and kids now want to go
play for Teddy Bridgewater and whatever. It's Florida football. It's
similar to Texas football, it's similar to California football. It's
a it's a dog eat dog world and and every
it's a big money business now. But question is do
you because the pushback is, well, look, private schools do
(28:47):
this all the time. Yep, this is not the and
I'm just gonna pick the two biggest names, because everybody listening,
you know, will know them. I'm not picking on them,
but it's modern day Bosco, Saint John Bosco lotter day.
That's not what they is. They get away with stuff
far more egregious than this. You should have let this slide.
So I'm not asking you about whether or not they
(29:08):
and you can weigh in on it if you want to.
But do you believe there is too great of an
inequity in high school sports right now for it to
still be is it? Is it trending toward what we're
now seeing in college sports, yes, and no longer looking
like amateur sports one hundred percent? Is it beyond the
point of no return?
Speaker 4 (29:29):
So no, no, no, no, it's not beyond the point
of no return. We're okay, So the let's let's let's
look at the Teddy Bridgewater situation as a whole and
related to California. So he was essentially he's essentially in
a socioeconomically disadvantaged situation here. So you have kids who
(29:51):
have food insecurity who don't know if they're gonna eat.
He's asking him to come out practice every day and
they're not eating, and that's a problem. Some of them
don't have access to get to practice, so he was
providing uber rides for them. He's providing pregame meals so
they can go out and play good football. Right at
(30:12):
Saint John Bosco, at Modern Day, at Shamanad, at Sierra Canyon,
at Oaks Christian at Yeah O lou j Sarah, all
of them, they're all getting pregame meals.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
They all if I know for a fact, I've paid
for him before exactly so, and if.
Speaker 4 (30:31):
They're not anything that they need, like like basic sports
necessities they have. What happens at Inglewood High School? What
happens hell at Burbank High School? What happens at the
other place that don't have big booster situations? Yes, and now,
(30:52):
when I was in high school, Silmar was a powerhouse,
so was Carson. So were all these schools. It's yes,
it well, Los All is still pretty good now. But
but if if Silmar tried to play Sierra Canyon right now,
what it looked.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
Like sixty point victory?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
Bit because they called off the dogs like they they
just can't compete because they don't have the resources.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
And you can't blame parents for sending their their kids.
Speaker 4 (31:21):
To well in addition to the hopes that they'll play
Division one foot football. They want their kids obviously, they
value the education, the safe environment, so as so you
can't knock a parent for saying, listen, I want my
kids to have a nicer time at school.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Because yes, because he's.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
Talented and all these things, but there does need to
be a situation where like the and and and Eric Sodenheimer,
who does a great job. Yes, yes, and sometimes he's
a little aggressive with like the trans records.
Speaker 2 (31:57):
Why are they playing the game at eight pm? It's
just ridiculous. But yes, he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
He is.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
He is.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Get off my long guy.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Pre game meal was disgusting. But the thing is he
does care, like cares desperately.
Speaker 3 (32:16):
That that is the thing.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
And that and I and there's a guy who was
covering college high school football when I came, he covered
me and my kid.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
So so is that I feel exactly.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
So it's just so like there has to be a
way where, yes, and where instead of slamming the public
schools when a kid transfers and all of this stuff,
but when they go to the private school, it's like, oh,
I figure it out.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yeah, it's just it's bad.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
And it also just creates a system where, like you know,
Crenshaw High School, are they even gonna fill the team anymore?
Speaker 1 (32:58):
It's it's sad. Honestly.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
We had that with Petros's alma mater Peninsula a few
years ago. You know, it's it's hard because all the
good players, like you said, you cannot fault them for
getting in the van and driving to Modern Day or
getting in the van and driving to Bosco or Jay
Sarah Yep. Fact, we had kids that were at Modern
Day that left Modern Day to go to Jay Sarah. Yes,
in high school and it's bus right yep, forty minutes
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away from modern Day and sixty from where they live.
And yet that and nobody faults them. Well, you know
it wasn't gonna play, and you get the starting job
out there, and yet this guy can't give uber rides,
sandwiches and try to take care of kids just so
they can have the basic necessities to play high schools.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And I found that you had some people that are like, well,
well he knew the rules. Yes, you you are one
hundred percent right that, like rules are rules and you
have to follow them and all of those things. But
there are some things that are the spirit of the rule, right,
and there's the actual rule.
Speaker 2 (33:55):
And by the way, good luck looking at a kid
who's hungry. What are you sorry, man, I got these rules.
I can't I can't give you a meal. Yeah, I know,
I know you haven't eaten for twelve hours. Yeah, and
we're about to practice. But I can't can't give you
this uncrustable just it's against the rules.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Yeah, I know. I'm pulling up in a nice car
and I'm going home in a nice car.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
My kids are eating right, and I have the ability
to help you, right, But I have no ability to
help you. It's like in college sports when kids got
ruled ineligible for it was a coach who bought a
player a suit to go to a family member's funeral.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
It's exactly right, and that became that became an nca
violent What. Yes, Meanwhile, you've got a wide receiver getting
a dodge Ram fifteen hundred. That's worth one hundred and
twenty five grand just for agreed to re sign with
the team. Still got an hour left. We'll do your
quick hits and if you miss Dan Wilkin, he was great.
We're going to replay that gets your dead and the
live guy birthday of the day it's patrush Money. George
(34:55):
Reister filling in here on AM five seven ALA Sports
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