September 5, 2025 • 8 mins
Petros and Don MacLean discuss the LA Times report about attendance at the Rose Bowl and why UCLA football is struggling to draw fans
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's time for another edition of the Petros and Money
Before the Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Why did you feel the need to do that because
we didn't do it the other day.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I totally forgot.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
It had been like what nine months since the last
one and a year and a half before that, I forgot.
I usually introduced it like kind of like a Tonight
show kind of it was.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
That, or you were watching Michael Buffer highlights last night.
I fell asleep to that.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, Buffer is still around, I think so.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, of course is he's around.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Him and his brother one does boxing and one does
the UFC.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's gonna be pretty sad when he does the intro
for the Mayweather Tyson fight and he's so old and
Tyson so old and may Well like, I don't want
to watch Tyson fight again after the Jake Paul thing,
does anybody?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Anyway, we're here, donn it's here. We got a college
football whip around coming up on the show today. Matt
is gonna check in, presume from Brazil before the Big
Chargers Kansas City Chief game. I know that Dawn has
been sleeping. Great, very gratified that Matt got to do
what he wanted out there on the road, right.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, cool got out to the waves man.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
And they were incredible. Weren't they so much fun?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, gorgeous And he wasn't supposed to be allowed to
but somehow he found a way.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
He did because where there's a will, yes a way
to get out to the beach in a very dangerous
part of the world.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
But either way, we do have a fine show.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
We do know Tyler glass now has been scratched and
o'tani is gonna pitch glass now doesn't feel good, I
guess and Otani does.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
It's very hot and humid in that part of.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The world Baltimore and EWE was raining in Pittsburgh and muggy,
so maybe Glass now is feeling it rained on him
a few months ago and he.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Got very upset about that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
But something interesting, don We had the college football whip around,
but you know, we talked about how Deshaun Foster did
not do a great job cultivating friends in the media
and maybe even friends from within the program this last
off season, not making friends, letting people come into practice
(02:23):
and see a little something, not letting him talk to
players this and that he had to hold back and
forth with Ben Boltch and we said it on the show.
We said, you know, this isn't good because if you
lose early, they're gonna jump all over you and call
you out, and you know you're cutting off your nose
despite your face. Why not a la Pete Carroll in
(02:45):
two thousand and one five hundred team but built a
lot of equity with the media telling everybody everything they
wanted to hear and giving him access and showing love.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I don't expect this guy to be Pete Carroll.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But now all of a sudden, you got on La
Times articles coming out about how no one's going to
the Rose Bowl. I mean, that's piling on and piling on.
They're getting after Deshan Foster for his analytics philosophy with
the fourth downs and different things of that nature, game
time decisions and things like that, and all of this
(03:18):
could have been avoided if you just let them do
a few human interest stories for God's sake.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, not only that, Pete, but get the fan base,
get the students excited about it. If you're the guy
that's holding everyone out and not talking to the media
and doing all that, no one's excited about your team,
whether you're good or not. And frankly they haven't been
very good for a while now. And also I hear
now is the Rose bowls so far? Well, guess what?
And I know is a million years ago. But when
(03:43):
I was in school, the Rose Bowl was full and
there was no tarps covering seats, and so whether they
were good or not, and they were good at that
point in time, but even still one hundred thousand versus
like fifteen thousand now people are coming and so what's
even worse, Peter, what you were talking about is Mick
Cronan is so good with the media and he gets
(04:05):
after people and he's so honest and rawed as press conferences,
and that's what people like. And whether you agree with
what Mick saane or not, at least he is available.
He's given you answers, he's being honest, and people get
behind that in root for guys like that. So it
makes it it makes Deshan Foster look even worse because
(04:25):
of what Mick Cronan's doing.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And they're killing him. Here in the Times, they said
that the scanned announced attendance was twenty seven and forty three,
which was a record low for the team since moving
to the Rose Bowl. Before the nineteen eighty two season.
But they're saying the actual attendance was somewhere between twelve thousand,
three hundred and eighty three and fourteen thousand, seven hundred
(04:49):
and sixty, which is.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Not good.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, you know this too, Pee being in TV as
I am that, whether they're told to do so or not,
TV production people don't want embarrassed the home team, so
they keep those angles very low.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, you're very low. So you don't see those shots.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yep, you don't see the wide shot of what the
entire Rose Bowl looks like on TV.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Hard to hide the empty seats when there's only fourteen
thousand people in a stadium that holds like ninety I
mean they're saying Drake holds eleven seven hundred. I mean, really,
nobody's going. Then you might as well just have the
games at Drake and not have to pay rent at
the Rose Bowl, which is what they want to do.
(05:34):
Low attendance has been a deep concern, but I don't
remember it being like this in the Jym Mora era
when Brett Huntley was running around and stuff like that.
I mean, people have lost a lot of interest in
UCLA football and Deshaun Foster has not done himself any favors,
doing as little media as possible and not really introducing
(05:55):
anybody to himself or his program.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, how about highlighting your players too. It's like, you know,
that stuff helps whether they're playing at the next level
or not. It helps with nil endorsements, all that stuff
that's available to players now, and you're just keeping them
under a lid. Whereas Mick and I don't know if
I'm supposed to say this or not, but I went
to practice last week and the day before, and this
(06:17):
is a summer practice, this is at the end of August.
He let the media in to a practice, the whole practice,
and like that goes a long way for these guys
that cover the team, the beat writers, national media even
And so that's how you do it, not only for
your program, but for your individual players.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
He came on our show and wanted to talk, and
we want to have him on and we want to
build trust. So he trusts us and we trust him,
and we can cover the team and cover the players.
It's not that difficult of a concept. But what's been
created on the other side of the sports spectrum at
(06:57):
UCLA is a combative relationship. Martin Jarman looks bad for
pushing this whole thing in the first place. This is
this is not working out.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yes, Tim, if you're not a successful program already, like
an Alabama a Georgia where you're winning and you can
be you can get away with being a jo.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You can't get away with this at UCLA in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
But do you have to be then at Dion Sanders
just the alpha of the room, just to soak up
all the air in the room. And everybody's focused on
this guy and everything he says being talked about.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh, you have to be yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
But he's so clearly uncomfortable with the media that he's
got a hard time being himself around him. But that
doesn't mean that your players have to be that way
or your coordinators. It doesn't seem like a great situation now.
It didn't seem like a great situation last year when
they started the year and they improved. You know, there's
such a thing as overreacting to the first game. But
he threw a lot of fuel on his own fire
(07:48):
by alienating people all off season and especially during camp.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
They're close, so pie they're Cool'll say they were close.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
They're close, so see what it has to close to
playing tomorrow night. You and help me enjoy the show.
Everybody
It's time for another edition of the Petros and Money
Before the Show podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Why did you feel the need to do that because
we didn't do it the other day.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I totally forgot.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
It had been like what nine months since the last
one and a year and a half before that, I forgot.
I usually introduced it like kind of like a Tonight
show kind of it was.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
That, or you were watching Michael Buffer highlights last night.
I fell asleep to that.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Yeah, Buffer is still around, I think so.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, of course is he's around.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Him and his brother one does boxing and one does
the UFC.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
It's gonna be pretty sad when he does the intro
for the Mayweather Tyson fight and he's so old and
Tyson so old and may Well like, I don't want
to watch Tyson fight again after the Jake Paul thing,
does anybody?
Speaker 4 (00:49):
I I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Anyway, we're here, donn it's here. We got a college
football whip around coming up on the show today. Matt
is gonna check in, presume from Brazil before the Big
Chargers Kansas City Chief game. I know that Dawn has
been sleeping. Great, very gratified that Matt got to do
what he wanted out there on the road, right.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, cool got out to the waves man.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
And they were incredible. Weren't they so much fun?
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Yeah, gorgeous And he wasn't supposed to be allowed to
but somehow he found a way.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
He did because where there's a will, yes a way
to get out to the beach in a very dangerous
part of the world.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
But either way, we do have a fine show.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
We do know Tyler glass now has been scratched and
o'tani is gonna pitch glass now doesn't feel good, I
guess and Otani does.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
It's very hot and humid in that part of.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
The world Baltimore and EWE was raining in Pittsburgh and muggy,
so maybe Glass now is feeling it rained on him
a few months ago and he.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Got very upset about that.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
But something interesting, don We had the college football whip around,
but you know, we talked about how Deshaun Foster did
not do a great job cultivating friends in the media
and maybe even friends from within the program this last
off season, not making friends, letting people come into practice
(02:23):
and see a little something, not letting him talk to
players this and that he had to hold back and
forth with Ben Boltch and we said it on the show.
We said, you know, this isn't good because if you
lose early, they're gonna jump all over you and call
you out, and you know you're cutting off your nose
despite your face. Why not a la Pete Carroll in
(02:45):
two thousand and one five hundred team but built a
lot of equity with the media telling everybody everything they
wanted to hear and giving him access and showing love.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
I don't expect this guy to be Pete Carroll.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
But now all of a sudden, you got on La
Times articles coming out about how no one's going to
the Rose Bowl. I mean, that's piling on and piling on.
They're getting after Deshan Foster for his analytics philosophy with
the fourth downs and different things of that nature, game
time decisions and things like that, and all of this
(03:18):
could have been avoided if you just let them do
a few human interest stories for God's sake.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Well, not only that, Pete, but get the fan base,
get the students excited about it. If you're the guy
that's holding everyone out and not talking to the media
and doing all that, no one's excited about your team,
whether you're good or not. And frankly they haven't been
very good for a while now. And also I hear
now is the Rose bowls so far? Well, guess what?
And I know is a million years ago. But when
(03:43):
I was in school, the Rose Bowl was full and
there was no tarps covering seats, and so whether they
were good or not, and they were good at that
point in time, but even still one hundred thousand versus
like fifteen thousand now people are coming and so what's
even worse, Peter, what you were talking about is Mick
Cronan is so good with the media and he gets
(04:05):
after people and he's so honest and rawed as press conferences,
and that's what people like. And whether you agree with
what Mick saane or not, at least he is available.
He's given you answers, he's being honest, and people get
behind that in root for guys like that. So it
makes it it makes Deshan Foster look even worse because
(04:25):
of what Mick Cronan's doing.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
And they're killing him. Here in the Times, they said
that the scanned announced attendance was twenty seven and forty three,
which was a record low for the team since moving
to the Rose Bowl. Before the nineteen eighty two season.
But they're saying the actual attendance was somewhere between twelve thousand,
three hundred and eighty three and fourteen thousand, seven hundred
(04:49):
and sixty, which is.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Not good.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well, you know this too, Pee being in TV as
I am that, whether they're told to do so or not,
TV production people don't want embarrassed the home team, so
they keep those angles very low.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Yeah, you're very low. So you don't see those shots.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Yep, you don't see the wide shot of what the
entire Rose Bowl looks like on TV.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Hard to hide the empty seats when there's only fourteen
thousand people in a stadium that holds like ninety I
mean they're saying Drake holds eleven seven hundred. I mean, really,
nobody's going. Then you might as well just have the
games at Drake and not have to pay rent at
the Rose Bowl, which is what they want to do.
(05:34):
Low attendance has been a deep concern, but I don't
remember it being like this in the Jym Mora era
when Brett Huntley was running around and stuff like that.
I mean, people have lost a lot of interest in
UCLA football and Deshaun Foster has not done himself any favors,
doing as little media as possible and not really introducing
(05:55):
anybody to himself or his program.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Well, how about highlighting your players too. It's like, you know,
that stuff helps whether they're playing at the next level
or not. It helps with nil endorsements, all that stuff
that's available to players now, and you're just keeping them
under a lid. Whereas Mick and I don't know if
I'm supposed to say this or not, but I went
to practice last week and the day before, and this
(06:17):
is a summer practice, this is at the end of August.
He let the media in to a practice, the whole practice,
and like that goes a long way for these guys
that cover the team, the beat writers, national media even
And so that's how you do it, not only for
your program, but for your individual players.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
He came on our show and wanted to talk, and
we want to have him on and we want to
build trust. So he trusts us and we trust him,
and we can cover the team and cover the players.
It's not that difficult of a concept. But what's been
created on the other side of the sports spectrum at
(06:57):
UCLA is a combative relationship. Martin Jarman looks bad for
pushing this whole thing in the first place. This is
this is not working out.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Yes, Tim, if you're not a successful program already, like
an Alabama a Georgia where you're winning and you can
be you can get away with being a jo.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You can't get away with this at UCLA in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
But do you have to be then at Dion Sanders
just the alpha of the room, just to soak up
all the air in the room. And everybody's focused on
this guy and everything he says being talked about.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Oh, you have to be yourself.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
But he's so clearly uncomfortable with the media that he's
got a hard time being himself around him. But that
doesn't mean that your players have to be that way
or your coordinators. It doesn't seem like a great situation now.
It didn't seem like a great situation last year when
they started the year and they improved. You know, there's
such a thing as overreacting to the first game. But
he threw a lot of fuel on his own fire
(07:48):
by alienating people all off season and especially during camp.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
They're close, so pie they're Cool'll say they were close.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
They're close, so see what it has to close to
playing tomorrow night. You and help me enjoy the show.
Everybody
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