October 10, 2025 • 36 mins
Vinny Bonsignore previews week 6 of the NFL (and talks about the resurgent Giants who beat the Eagles last night). We dive back into the Dodgers and some defining moments from Game 4 of the NLDS as well as look ahead to a potential matchup with either the Cubs or Brewers in the NLCS.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We continue on froend Rogan Rodney Pete nine five seventy
LA Sports. Uh, all right, later this hour, I'm gonna
talk about this social media thing that I don't get.
You know, you hate us. If you and us, that'll
be the cheese. Then we'll get to that coming up.
And now let's just talk some football. What's coming up
this weekend? Are Insider or Our buddy Vinnie bon Signor
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joins the program. Vinny, good afternoon to you.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, Vinnie, Vinnie, we got to start.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I mean, I know we're gonna get to the to
the local teams, but last night it is the Jackson
Dart show Man, the Jackson Darton scatable taking the league
by storm.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Vinnie, what in the world?
Speaker 5 (00:47):
And and and right on time for Bryan table Man,
I think he's starting to feel a little.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Bit better about his job security right now. And along
with that with the uh.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
The general manager, because it sure looks like they hit
on this, whether it was the quarterback, the running back,
don't forget they got up Bill Carter to a pretty
darn good defensive player as well. So this is looking
like one heck of a draft for the New York
Giants is exactly what they needed. And it starts with
the quarterback Jackson Dart, the former USC trojan who went
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to an Ole Myth and uh, you know, learned under
our good friend Lane Kiffen and obviously Lane Todd a lot,
because he just looks like the real deal. He looks
like somebody that fits New York has that. I know
he's from Utah, but he kind of has that California
so cal West Coast kind of vibe to him, and
talking to him, he definitely embodies that. So so I
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think I think the Giants are onto something. And then
you get the pattering ram that Cam Scattabu is, who's
brought a level of physicality to to the Giants running game,
and and I think that that ignites your whole team
and it could demoralize the other team and gets the
fan base Craig going crazy. So it feels like it
feels like things are moving in the right direction for
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the Giants.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
All right, let's talk about with coming up this weekend
for everybody. I want to start at home with the
Raiders with you, Vinny and Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah, and you know it's I don't remember the last
time the Rams, Chargers, and Raiders all went into a
game coming off losses. Like it was over three for
three teams. You know that that Southern California is most
interested in. But you know, for the Raiders, this is
without question, I must win. It's a beatable team. The
Tennessee Titans are not very good. Despite what happened against
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the Cardinals last week. I talked to somebody in the
in the Titans organization, is like, we finally found somebody
that could play worse than we could and they literally
handed the game, you know, to the Titans on a
silver platter. Now, cam Ward played a great fourth quarter
in that game, completed seventy two percent of his passes
one hundred and sixty three yards the Titans only sixteen
point run in the fourth quarter. But I mean, you
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look at this roster and it's just not very good.
And you know, the Raiders should have a chance to
be able to run the ball against the third worst
running team in the rushing defense in the NFL. Ash
and genty could be lined up for a big day,
you know Smith, you know, throwing against a bad defense.
Time for him to get back on the right track,
so everything points to a Raiders win. But here's the thing.
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The Raiders have shot themselves in the foot so many
different times this year, and it's.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Why they're one and four.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
They're not getting their butts feed up and down the
football field. What's happening is they are committing huge mistakes.
They've got a punt block that set up a touchdown,
They've got a field goal block that denied them a touchdown.
They've thrown interceptions in the red zone, both Theirs and
the other teams, you know, to take quick points from
themselves and give points away to the other teams. They could,
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ever just stop doing those types of mistakes. They're going
to give themselves a chance. But I don't care who
they're playing, could be the Tennessee Titans or the now
suddenly resurgent New York Giants. If you don't take care
of the ball and you commit bad plays in Keith situation,
you're not gonna win much in this league at all.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So very stand right there.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I mean, Gino is there were so high hopes for
him to start the season with the Raiders and coming
in and getting the deal, and he had a you
know a few good years in Seattle and everybody's excited.
What do you think, Benny, what do you think is
going on with him? Is it just a new situation,
new offense with Chip Kelly that he hasn't felt because
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he looks very uncomfortable right now. And I'm a big
fan of Gino's man. I thought it was a great
move for the Raiders and and still think it can
work out. But what do you have they addressed it
and they're thinking about it or are they just saying
we just got off to a bad start and things
to get better. I mean, how are they approaching it?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And now? Is Gino handling it well?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Number one?
Speaker 5 (04:47):
It helps Gino that Pete Carroll is the coach, and
Pete Carroll's seen him at his best, so he's not,
you know, it doesn't have any quick quick you know
gun or itchy finger because he knows that, look, this
is not the quarterback. This is not the quarterback that
I've seen. I've seen the really good Geno and I
think that the really really good Geno Smith is right
around the corner from happening. So so the job is
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secure and the you know, less pressure in that regard.
But I wanted to ask you this, you know, Roddie
and I've been kind of banding this one about. This
is really the first time that Gino has been kind
of annointed in the guy, right, I mean, he we
know what the story is. It didn't last too long
in New York that he was It felt like he
was on a career path of being a backup quarterback,
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never lost faith in himself, but was never really given
an opportunity. Then when he did, it's this great story. Oh,
Gino Smith, you know, I took the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And ran with it.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
But even in Seattle, was never like, this is the
guy we're going to build the team around, and we're
gonna give him the contract and all that sort of thing.
That's this is the first time that he comes to
a situation as not the savior, you know, but but
the anointed starter, the highest paid guy on the team
or one of the highest guys, you know, paid guys
on the team. It's you're it's you're the starter, You're
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the face of the franchise. He's never really experienced that,
And I'm wondering if maybe he's struggling with that a
little bit, the pressures that come with that, and and
maybe the pressure that he puts on himself because of that,
and I'm just I just want to throw that out
to you to to to ask if I could that
be a different mindset for Gino Smith.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Kind of than being the underdog. He's the guy that
everyone now is looking.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean, there's definitely something to that. When you
are anointed as the guy and you get the big
deal and you come to a new team, it can't
affect you. But for me, he he's it'd be one
thing if this is his second or third year in
the league, right and his new team. He just came
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and he's still kind of green, but he's been in
the league for a while now, so it shouldn't really
be that much of a factor for him to be
anointed as as the guy. Because again, as you mentioned,
it wasn't it wasn't the guy in Seattle that they
were going to build around. It was it did feel
like they were always looking for the next guy, you know,
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and they ended up getting Sam Darnold and they feel
like he's their future for the next five years or whatever.
But it didn't feel like that for Gino in Seattle,
although he played well, And this is I agree with
you the first time he's really gotten the keys to
the kingdom. And and and it's a different scenario, but
he's he's a veteran enough that he should handle it.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Bennie.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Yeah, and uh, you know, talking talking to Pete and
talking to to Gino and talking to Chip Kelly. I mean,
there is a firm belief that that he's gonna get
it squarred away, that he's gonna the level of play.
Will we'll go back to it like this is just
it feels like he's in a rut or a funk,
you know, but this is this is not the Geno
Smith that that Pete knows or that Gino knows of
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himself for the last three years. And there's a belief
that eventually it's gonna work its way back to you know,
balance and balance things out. And if that does happen,
then that really does get the Raiders a much better
chance to be competitive in these football him.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, let's go Rams at Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You know, Baltimore did another starting quarterback, So you think
it makes it easier for the Rams, don't you.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Vinny, Yeah, it does, but you know what, the Rams
just played a team without their starting quarterback at home,
by the way, and lost that game for forty nine ers.
And the forty nine ers are banged up, you know
as well. It's not just that they don't have their quarterback.
They there's there's a few guys on that team that
they didn't have and somehow, some way, the forty niners
were able to to find a way. Now, granted it
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doesn't help. You know, Karin Williams fumbles the ball up
at the goal line. Not to put the big figure
on him, but that changes the game. He scores that touchdown.
The Rams win that game. So it's a long trip
to Baltimore. It's a tough place to play. But I
think without Lamar Jackson, this is this has got to
be a get right game for for the Rams, you know,
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and don't don't go screwing around and and you know,
kicking away great opportunities like this. I think they kind
of squandered one against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
They kind of hard to squander this one.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, so let's go, uh you know Chargers, Vinny, I
was at that game, uh, and they got manhandled, especially
for three quarters against the against the Commanders. What started
off as very promising and looked like they they were
at for the really for the first time, felt like
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the Chiefs were not the team to beat. It felt
like the Chargers. And now all of a sudden, I
don't feel so confident about the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, and you know, it also shows you that, you know,
there's a cursion others, there's there's parody in the NFL.
You know that, Rodney, And you start losing some key
players like offensive lineman like the like the Charge and
we're not just talking about you know, plugging offensive lineman.
We're talking about very very good offensive lineman that that
that protect you know, your most expensive of and most
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important player in Justin Herbern right now without the benefit
of of what what would have it would have been
a great offensive line, what started out to be a
good offensive line is anything but right now. And Justin's
just getting hit left and right, and that's that's definitely
not stable and that certainly, uh, you know, hurts them,
and it just hurts their whole operation. It's not right now,
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it's not what who the Charger to wanted to be
and who they look like early in the season. They're
losing running backs as well, so they're going to have
to somehow some way withstand this a little injury bug
that they're going through and get stabilized and and and
hope for a return of health for some of those
guys at least to give the least that they can
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start playing at that close to full strength. Because right now,
like I said, with parody, the way it is in
the NFL, we've seen that here with the Raiders. You
lose like a guy like brock Bauer, and it changes
your whole offense. It's not an excuse either. That literally
changes everything about the offense. And you know, without your
two tackles, that just real big problem for the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You know. Then let's just be honest. Everybody agrees, and
he'll agree with this, right justin Herbert has incredible talent, right, yes, absolutely,
so we agree with that. We agree. But here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
There's a point in time where you got to make
that leap, you know what I mean? For however you
do it, you gotta do it. And to me, this
seems like a do it year for him.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Right? Yeah? It does?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
And uh, and.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know, if and.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
If these are prolonged injuries for some of these guys
and they know, get it done. You know, there goes
the okay, you know, well, there's there's a plausible explanation
for this. You know, he didn't have you know, his
full arsenal of players around him, and you know, on
some level that is plausible. But to your point, when
you when you take a step forward and become that
guy and not just a guy or a pretty big guy,
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but a great guy. You know, the the Patrick mahomes
and and other great quarterbacks have been able to survive
and win and win big even when you know some
of their some of they don't have some of those
great teammates around them. And we haven't seen Justin do
that even with a full arsenal uh and and full group.
So there is still a little bit of doubt, and
it becomes here comes another excuse, you know, for for
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Justin Herbert and and we've there's been a lot of those,
you know, since he came into the into the NFL.
It's been kind of more that than than anything else.
As good as he is, it always feels like at
the very end of the year, there's some kind of
explanation or excuse and and for him to get to
that next level, he's got to put all those aside
and just get the job done.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah, it's easy when you you said it earlier.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Man, it's easier said and done.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
But when you get hit, when you're getting hit thirty
times a game, it's hard to make it happen.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
I know.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
It's why I it's why you gotta.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
You gotta really put it into perspective, like hit at
You know, it's an alarmingly high rate. And you know
what that does to a quarterback. Rodney, It's just you can't.
You can't function like that in the NFL. He's a
good runner and all that kind of stuff, and hey,
you get beat down physically and mentally, and you know,
then you start losing games. It's not a good world
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to be in as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
No, not at all. Well, Bennie, thanks for being in
our world today. It means the world to me.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
All right. I appreciate it, and go Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Vinnie.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
All right, there's our buddy, Vinnie Bond Senior. When we
come back. How did the Phillies feel about what happened
last night? Well, we're going to take it to the
Phillies postgame show, because that's always a treat. Also want
to talk about what is going on in social media
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with the Philly fans.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
All right, here we go, keeping it down, winding it down,
down the home stretch. Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan on a
beautiful Friday, A Friday. Bet, I didn't ask you this. Yeah,
who do you prefer to play? You prefer to play
the Cubbies or the Brewers.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, I look at it like this. Whoever the Dodgers
end up playing, good luck to them. But I think
I'd rather play the Cubs. I know the Cubs are
hitting the ball, I know that, but I think I'd
rather play the Cubs. I think I'd rather finish the
way we started. We started with the Cubs, and we'll
finish with the Cubs. Yeah, yeah, I think I think
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you're right. Milwaukee's a deeper team. We've seen, you know
that the from them, even though they lost these last
couple of games in Chicago, But they are This regular
season was not a fluke. They are a good, good
team with good pitching and a couple of guys that
are very hot right now offensively. So I think they
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would match up really, really good with the Cubs. I
do too, All right, let me tell you the story.
What kind of bothered me last night? Checked it again today,
still annoying.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So hear this.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You got these people in Philadelphia right now. We know
the game was a three o eight start here in
Los Angeles. Three o eight is a tough time, a
tough start time in La Okay. When you saw pictures
of the stadium throughout the evening, there were people in
the stands and I have to give them credit. We
know three Oh wait, it's a tough time to get
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to a game. Here, is that fair, Rodney? Oh yeah,
one of the worst times you can get to the game.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So anyway, these people from Philadelphia, and it started early
and it continued on. They were very, very sharp, and
that when the cameras panned the crowd, they'd freeze it
and take shots of empty seats, take shots of empty seats,
and they would continue to post what kind of fans
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of these? These people don't care. They've got other things
going on in their life. They don't even show up.
So you see one or two of them, you go
to yourself, well, all right, these people are idiots anyway,
they don't know. And you can do anything on social
media but that it continued, and it continued, and actually
it became.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
People are the same same, multiple, kind of group multiple,
and it became more of a trend basically criticizing the
fans here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Oh so they were kind of attacking the fans of
LA of not showing up for the Dodgers not being here,
not filling the stands.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Is that what they're kind of insinuating. Yeah, that's they
were doing.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And again, we know the Dodgers drew over four million
fans this year, and you know what, to even say
anything about it, to defend it is asinine. There is
no reason to defend it, right, It's indefensible.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
But yeah, these stats don't matter, I guess because, like
you mentioned, the Dodgers out draw anybody in Major League
Baseball and have or I don't know how long over
four million fans. I mean, you can't argue with that.
That's just real facts. So what are we talking about?
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What you can't argue with this? They're also the top
road draw in baseball. Yeah, so look at it like.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
This, in whatever stadium in this country the Dodgers are
playing in on a specific night, there will be more
fans at that game than any other game. Maybe that's
the best way to look at it. You're the top
road draw, you're the top home draw. So that means
wherever you are playing, be it at home in Los
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Angeles or you're playing the Pirates in Pittsburgh, whatever, the
average attendance in Pittsburgh normally is is going to be
increased dramatically because the Dodgers are there so for people
because now you got to go you got to start
picking on things, right, you hate us, because you hate us,
so now we're going to say, well, here's your problem,
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and we're better fans in there.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
We get it. We know not those people, they don't
know anything that cuts deep when they say that, Oh
my goodness.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
You know it does cut deep. It cuts deep. And
here's why do not tell the people that live in
this city they are not true fans. Don't do that
because it is insulting. I look at the fans. We
do this for a living. So we know, we know,
we know that the people that like the Dodgers listen
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to the radio show, and a lot of people listen
to the radio show because they like the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
We got it, We understand how this works. And it's
just ignorant.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
It's ignorant, it's insulting, it's kind of just playing out stupid.
It's kind of if you do that, you're not the
kind of people we even want to know. You're not
stupid people. They're stupid, and there's aggressively stupid. Stupid people
don't know they're stupid. Aggressively stupid people do know and
they continue to be stupid. That is aggressively stupid.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I like that term. Aggressively stupid. It's true.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Okay, right, you know, you know somebody and you know
they just don't have it or they're saying stuff that
makes no sense and everybody in the room knows it.
So instead of going, hey Joe, I got to be
honest with you. You're wrong about that, or even if
you tell them, hey Joe, I gotta be honest with you,
you're wrong about that, he goes, Oh no, I'm not,
and let me tell you more about what is wrong
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that I'm saying. That's aggressively stupid, and that's kind of
what that was. They just bothered me, it really did.
I mean, you were playing in the Division series, your
team has a chance to go to the league Championship series,
perhaps to the World Series. It's a seminal year for
the Phillies because that team is going to look different
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next year because of the free agents.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It's going to look different. That was the window for
that group. That was it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
There was their window for that particular group of players.
And what you take away from that is, well, look,
there's empty seats in LA. There's empty seats. That's what
you took away from it. A team that many thought
would win the World Series this year, really before the season,
they were right there with the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It was at the upper upper right field corner section
of Did you see it because you know where it was? Yeah, yeah, exactly,
I saw that shot. That's where it was.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Now, if you captured that shot and that was the
only shot, you captured that only image and showed that
and said nobody showed up, But that was the only
image you showed, Yeah, you'd go where is everybody? There's
nobody in the stadium. But as I watched the game,
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which I did standon, looked pretty full to me. Yeah,
gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, And was a shot at you know, top of
the first inning, you know, before the game really gets
underway and gets going. Yeah. Yeah, as people are three
o'clock in LA trying to get the Dodger Stadium, which
people outside of LA don't necessarily understand how sometimes challenging
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it is to get the Dodger Stadium at three o'clock
in the afternoon. Yeah, it's just tickie tag. But you know,
love my city of brotherly love. But sometimes they can
be a little obnoxious. Freddy.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, that being said, now let's take a listen to
a portion of the Phillies postgame show on their own
network after the first loss. We know what they sounded like.
So now the season is over, it has come to
an end. Understand, these are employees, I believe some of them,
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of the Phillies.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So let's hear the hand. I'm really ticked off right now, Michael,
be honest with that. This is to have it end
that way. Just take it again, breath, just pick it
up and you can run an underhand it to first base.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
I mean, it's obviously just panicked and I don't know,
I just couldn't deal with the moment.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I guess at the time. It's a really rough way.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
To lose and to end your season when you have
a comebacker like that and a basically very simple play.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Earlier in the game.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Christopher Sanchez, on the other hand, made a heck of
a play under the same sort of circumstance. Came off
the mountain and threw a strike to Bryce Harper to
make that play. But it's clear that Ryan Kirkring was
not in the right state of mind. I probably would
have just let Lozardo face the right hander. He had
nasty stuff. Oriyan sadly has proven that he hasn't been
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able to get out of those situations, and Lozardo looked
like he was actually throwing the ball real well.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
I probably would have stayed with him.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
And if I was going to lose the game, rather
lose the game with a guy like Lizardo. Right now,
with the way he's thrown and the way he looked
on the mound, I liked his demeanor on the mound.
He wasn't he wasn't baffled, he wasn't scared. It looked
like he still had good stuff. But they you know,
they went to uh Kirkering because of the right on
righty and it didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Mm hmm, there it is. It sounded kind of calm
and rational.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Friend, I think one of them said, I'm not sure.
I can't remember. Maybe we had it down. I think
one of them said I wouldn't even put him in
the game.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
I did cut that part out. Yes, I wouldn't even
put him in the game. He said he would not
put Kirkering in that situation with men on base.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yes, Oh god.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
He sounds like honest analysis to me, like he was fair.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, just straight up.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Look, they they they watch him on a regular basis,
more so than we do, so they you know, they
can comment on it. But man, just after the fact,
right twenty twenty analysis. But do you think because people
were talking about this that and Kevin mentioned it on
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our on our text string about walking Otani in that moment,
did you agree with that, even though Tani has been struggling,
walking him to load the bases for mookie bets, Yeah,
you set up a force in any base.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah. And here's the funny thing. We were talking about
this earlier. Okay, I said Otani's no a liability in
the leadoff spot. Move him, and you know everybody went
to shut up, Fred, They're not moving him out of
the leadoff spot. But here's the other side of it.
Right now, he can't hit his hat size. We should
be fair.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
Not only that he's not even making contact a lot
of times so close Duran could have struck him out
fairly easily the way he's been hitting, so the force
at every base, he's not even going to make contact.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
But here's the thing, Kevin, and here's the thing, and
you said it earlier, Rodney.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, but he might. That's the problem. He might. And
they're always aware of that, right.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
When you kind of I mean, at that point you
traded for Duran to be your star closer. You have
your best on the mound against their best. I'd like
to like him go toe to toe and if your
best beats my best, and so be it in a
game like that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, but didn't you say last night their best has
struggled lately?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Did I say that?
Speaker 8 (25:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I think you said real sharp, Well I did say so.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
As of that inning, Yes, so he was fairly wild.
He was all over the place, which I think Taal
bailed him out. They could he would have walked in
the second run. They wouldn't even gone to extra innings
at that point.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They el swung at two that were just bad.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Balls, tail walked talked, you would have walked on four
pitches easily. Yeah, And and he he bailed him out.
Here's what I was surprised about. He brought the ran
in with one out in in the seventh, right in
the seventh.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Yeah, it was the seventh.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, yeah, one out. He's gonna go two and two
thirds innings. No he's not. I don't care if he
doesn't do anything wrong. I don't care if he's he's
being mowing him down. There's no way that guy's going
to go two and two thirds innings. Why would you
bring him? Did you think about what might happen afterwards?
Did that enter your mind? Well, we better got out
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of this, so we'll put him in right here. But
then what then? What happens?
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I know what happened? Then then what is you worry about? Then?
What when? What comes up?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
But at that moment and the high leverage, you got
to find a way and go to your best opportunity
to get out.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Let me ask you this there, Let me ask you this.
And they lost. It's over, so we're just chopping it up.
Let me ask you this. He went to Sanchez, didn't
he how'd he look once a Lizarda Lazardo. Howd he
look amazing? Okay, why did you put Lazardo in earlier
(27:07):
and then you have Duran to close the game, because
certainly Lazardo could have gone.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
I mean, the thought might have been that Duran was
more rested than Lizardo. You have Lazardo in your back
pocket if you need him, but you're hoping that you
put your best guy in there in a high leverage
situation and you can get those out so you don't
have to worry about bringing Lazardo in. He was maybe
a break glass in case of emergency. Guy could be
considering he was only on a couple of days rest.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Well, that's fair, but it was an emergency. I'm glad
they did what they did. Don't get me wrong. I'm
glad Dave left Szaki in there. Yeah, I'm glad he
did that.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah. Were you nervous when it gets.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
No, he's going he's going to three you know, three innings?
You know you wanted him to keep going, right, But
as it kept going, you knew at some point somebody
else was coming in.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
Darian, I know what you're gonna say, Fred, Yeah, when
Blake trying and stood up in the bullpen.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
We all saw it. Everybody saw it. I knew it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
This is so awful when I saw him get up.
This is terrible, and I'm sorry, I went, oh my god, no, no.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Now that is really bad. I'm sorry. Not the only one, Fred, but.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I'm sure a lot of people went, oh no, we
don't no, no, no no. And he was next so
to me, to me, so if if the game went
thirty seven innings, Sazaki was still pitching, he was not
coming out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Oh yeah, bringing in uh who they bring Investia? Right, yeah,
bringing Investia. Were you okay with that? Or would you
have left Sazaki? Let him just keep going.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Do you want the truth of what I would really do? No,
I want you to lie to me, Fred, Okay, here, Rodney.
I thought it was brilliant and Vessia did a great job.
And he got a little help from Harrison Bader. That's
for damn sure he.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Did because that was what that was a three two count.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
Yeah when it was a phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
He battled him nine to ten pitches. He took.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Bessie and then swung at that that change of outside
that was like two feet off the plate. God, but yeah,
it was it was up to the up until then
it was it was a great grated bat. So how
were you when Vessie came in?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
In the words of Dave Roberts. In the words of
Dave Roberts, when the accusation was Manny Machatto threw the
ball at the Dodger dugout remember that after warm up
by Chant threw the ball at him. But he really didn't.
But when David asked about it, he goes, it.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Was unnerving when I saw Vessie and I like him.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I think all fans like him, and we trust him
and believe in them, and he's delivered in huge moments.
But as it has gone this year, when I saw that,
it was unnerving.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's what it was. Because I was coming the game
when you saw him come in again, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Room for you when he came in, that meant Sazaki
was done right right right then, Everything to me was unnerving.
Everything it was like, oh, no, I know, you know,
it's insane. I would not take Sazaki out.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
When she was living.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I know, we don't have time, but dude, to go back,
I don't even know. It was like maybe three weeks
ago Fred talk about Sazaki he's just an adventure. I
would not bring him out of the pen.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's right, right, you know, he's just an adventure.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
He's all over the place. You never know what he's
gonna get. I would never bring him out of the pen.
He's a starter. But man, you bring him in, he
can't find the striding zone.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I did say that. Now, never take him out.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
No, no, because maybe you don't understand this. Maybe you
don't understand this. Life is fluid. There are no absolutes.
Life is fluid, there are no absolutes. But no, I
just thought, keep him in, do not take him out. Anyway,
All's well, that ends well. So, uh, if Milwaukee wins,
(31:29):
Dodgers open on the road. If Chicago wins Kevin, Dodgers
open here, correct.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
That is correct? In Game one will be Monday regardless.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yes, so it's Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, I think, yes, okay,
best of seven in this go round.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Hey, wait, surprised, real quick.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I forgot that they don't do the man at second
base the next Grannings in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I know, thankfully. Oh yes, really.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
It's the playoffs, Fred earn it. I understand.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
If it's the middle of July, and you don't want
to run through your pitching staff in a sixteen inning
game or something, but you have to.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Earn every Look at how last night ended. Earn every
single base runner.
Speaker 9 (32:10):
I would hate for a game to end because a
guy hits a single on a guy who's already standing
on second base and the game ends that way, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Well, everybody that was sitting there with Rodney did exactly
what you did. Oh yeah, they don't start with a
runner on second base, And everybody sitting there and.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Went, good right, good for everybody?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Did that? Good for them? Yeah, gotta earn it. You
gotta earn it, man.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, because it was like, oh, okay, who's gonna start
on second That's what.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I was thinking. I would say, wait, oh, here we go, because.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
You know, again, it's easy to get a cheap run
in those situations, and you don't want it to be
after a game like that where the pitching was phenomenal
to have it in because you start a runner at
second base and somebody got a bloop single that scores
that run from second base, and it would be bad.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's bad luck.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, And I'm glad they didn't go to my plan
of home run derby to break a tie game last night.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I think the Mountains Gyles Swarvers would account it as three.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, I think so, depending on how far you hit
it is how many you get credited for.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Oh that and that is a highlight from that series.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Folks, it's over Dodgers when but come on, you got
to give it up for that. You gotta give it
up for that home run that Schwarver hit. All right,
so we'll come back and wrap this up.
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Speaker 3 (34:02):
Wise.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Here we go, wrapping it up on a Friday. I
hope you all have a good weekend. I know I
am Fred because the Trojans are gonna beat the Michigan
Wolverines tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
That's all that matters. That's all that matters. Baby. We
go base You got nothing to worry about in baseball.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
That's done nothing chilling till Monday.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Okay, quickly, Tigers are Mariners. Oh, I'm going Detroit, Fred
they got some.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Uh and even though the Mariners have beat him, they
think the last three times. Uh, I gotta go with him.
He's the cy young winner and this do or die game.
I think he's gonna be unhittable today, and they let
they let him go fifteen innings.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
It danced to be. Cubs are Marinders. Cubs your earth.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I gotta yeah, I'm going Brewers at home.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Deciding game. I just think the uh.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I think the Brewers and from a pitching standpoint, still
got a lot of firepower. I'm going Brewers at home.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
All right?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Well you got I got Tigers. I gotta be Tigers.
My classic World series, my old time would be Tigers Dodgers.
Dodgers have to win. Tiger's Dodgers would work for me.
Cubby's Brewers. You know what I'm I got. I can't
walk it back, Rodney, I can't. I gotta go Cubs.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah. And Ted Sobel who listens to the show, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You know him, Barry Welled, Uh, he has sent me
a text saying if there was a game in Los
Angeles next Tuesday, it will probably be postponed.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Heavy rains are in the forecast, oh for Tuesday, for Tuesday. Okay,
so if and Ted sobl knows because he's also a meteorologist.
Speaker 9 (35:59):
Well you say, aren't we all, Fred, That's that's what
we're all, meteorologist.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You huh? Aren't you the walking doppler?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
People say, my god, I've never seen anybody with as
large a doppler.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
As you have.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Oh wow, Okay, Ronnie, thank you, great week, great week, Kevin,
appreciate it very much. Have a terrific weekend, everybody. Rodney,
We're back Monday, sir,
All right, here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
We continue on froend Rogan Rodney Pete nine five seventy
LA Sports. Uh, all right, later this hour, I'm gonna
talk about this social media thing that I don't get.
You know, you hate us. If you and us, that'll
be the cheese. Then we'll get to that coming up.
And now let's just talk some football. What's coming up
this weekend? Are Insider or Our buddy Vinnie bon Signor
(00:23):
joins the program. Vinny, good afternoon to you.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Yeah, Vinnie, Vinnie, we got to start.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I mean, I know we're gonna get to the to
the local teams, but last night it is the Jackson
Dart show Man, the Jackson Darton scatable taking the league
by storm.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Vinnie, what in the world?
Speaker 5 (00:47):
And and and right on time for Bryan table Man,
I think he's starting to feel a little.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Bit better about his job security right now. And along
with that with the uh.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
The general manager, because it sure looks like they hit
on this, whether it was the quarterback, the running back,
don't forget they got up Bill Carter to a pretty
darn good defensive player as well. So this is looking
like one heck of a draft for the New York
Giants is exactly what they needed. And it starts with
the quarterback Jackson Dart, the former USC trojan who went
(01:16):
to an Ole Myth and uh, you know, learned under
our good friend Lane Kiffen and obviously Lane Todd a lot,
because he just looks like the real deal. He looks
like somebody that fits New York has that. I know
he's from Utah, but he kind of has that California
so cal West Coast kind of vibe to him, and
talking to him, he definitely embodies that. So so I
(01:38):
think I think the Giants are onto something. And then
you get the pattering ram that Cam Scattabu is, who's
brought a level of physicality to to the Giants running game,
and and I think that that ignites your whole team
and it could demoralize the other team and gets the
fan base Craig going crazy. So it feels like it
feels like things are moving in the right direction for
(01:58):
the Giants.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
All right, let's talk about with coming up this weekend
for everybody. I want to start at home with the
Raiders with you, Vinny and Tennessee.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
Yeah, and you know it's I don't remember the last
time the Rams, Chargers, and Raiders all went into a
game coming off losses. Like it was over three for
three teams. You know that that Southern California is most
interested in. But you know, for the Raiders, this is
without question, I must win. It's a beatable team. The
Tennessee Titans are not very good. Despite what happened against
(02:29):
the Cardinals last week. I talked to somebody in the
in the Titans organization, is like, we finally found somebody
that could play worse than we could and they literally
handed the game, you know, to the Titans on a
silver platter. Now, cam Ward played a great fourth quarter
in that game, completed seventy two percent of his passes
one hundred and sixty three yards the Titans only sixteen
point run in the fourth quarter. But I mean, you
(02:52):
look at this roster and it's just not very good.
And you know, the Raiders should have a chance to
be able to run the ball against the third worst
running team in the rushing defense in the NFL. Ash
and genty could be lined up for a big day,
you know Smith, you know, throwing against a bad defense.
Time for him to get back on the right track,
so everything points to a Raiders win. But here's the thing.
(03:16):
The Raiders have shot themselves in the foot so many
different times this year, and it's.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Why they're one and four.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
They're not getting their butts feed up and down the
football field. What's happening is they are committing huge mistakes.
They've got a punt block that set up a touchdown,
They've got a field goal block that denied them a touchdown.
They've thrown interceptions in the red zone, both Theirs and
the other teams, you know, to take quick points from
themselves and give points away to the other teams. They could,
(03:44):
ever just stop doing those types of mistakes. They're going
to give themselves a chance. But I don't care who
they're playing, could be the Tennessee Titans or the now
suddenly resurgent New York Giants. If you don't take care
of the ball and you commit bad plays in Keith situation,
you're not gonna win much in this league at all.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
So very stand right there.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I mean, Gino is there were so high hopes for
him to start the season with the Raiders and coming
in and getting the deal, and he had a you
know a few good years in Seattle and everybody's excited.
What do you think, Benny, what do you think is
going on with him? Is it just a new situation,
new offense with Chip Kelly that he hasn't felt because
(04:26):
he looks very uncomfortable right now. And I'm a big
fan of Gino's man. I thought it was a great
move for the Raiders and and still think it can
work out. But what do you have they addressed it
and they're thinking about it or are they just saying
we just got off to a bad start and things
to get better. I mean, how are they approaching it?
Speaker 1 (04:44):
And now? Is Gino handling it well?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Number one?
Speaker 5 (04:47):
It helps Gino that Pete Carroll is the coach, and
Pete Carroll's seen him at his best, so he's not,
you know, it doesn't have any quick quick you know
gun or itchy finger because he knows that, look, this
is not the quarterback. This is not the quarterback that
I've seen. I've seen the really good Geno and I
think that the really really good Geno Smith is right
around the corner from happening. So so the job is
(05:09):
secure and the you know, less pressure in that regard.
But I wanted to ask you this, you know, Roddie
and I've been kind of banding this one about. This
is really the first time that Gino has been kind
of annointed in the guy, right, I mean, he we
know what the story is. It didn't last too long
in New York that he was It felt like he
was on a career path of being a backup quarterback,
(05:32):
never lost faith in himself, but was never really given
an opportunity. Then when he did, it's this great story. Oh,
Gino Smith, you know, I took the opportunity.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
And ran with it.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
But even in Seattle, was never like, this is the
guy we're going to build the team around, and we're
gonna give him the contract and all that sort of thing.
That's this is the first time that he comes to
a situation as not the savior, you know, but but
the anointed starter, the highest paid guy on the team
or one of the highest guys, you know, paid guys
on the team. It's you're it's you're the starter, You're
(06:03):
the face of the franchise. He's never really experienced that,
And I'm wondering if maybe he's struggling with that a
little bit, the pressures that come with that, and and
maybe the pressure that he puts on himself because of that,
and I'm just I just want to throw that out
to you to to to ask if I could that
be a different mindset for Gino Smith.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Kind of than being the underdog. He's the guy that
everyone now is looking.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean, there's definitely something to that. When you
are anointed as the guy and you get the big
deal and you come to a new team, it can't
affect you. But for me, he he's it'd be one
thing if this is his second or third year in
the league, right and his new team. He just came
(06:47):
and he's still kind of green, but he's been in
the league for a while now, so it shouldn't really
be that much of a factor for him to be
anointed as as the guy. Because again, as you mentioned,
it wasn't it wasn't the guy in Seattle that they
were going to build around. It was it did feel
like they were always looking for the next guy, you know,
(07:07):
and they ended up getting Sam Darnold and they feel
like he's their future for the next five years or whatever.
But it didn't feel like that for Gino in Seattle,
although he played well, And this is I agree with
you the first time he's really gotten the keys to
the kingdom. And and and it's a different scenario, but
he's he's a veteran enough that he should handle it.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Bennie.
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Yeah, and uh, you know, talking talking to Pete and
talking to to Gino and talking to Chip Kelly. I mean,
there is a firm belief that that he's gonna get
it squarred away, that he's gonna the level of play.
Will we'll go back to it like this is just
it feels like he's in a rut or a funk,
you know, but this is this is not the Geno
Smith that that Pete knows or that Gino knows of
(07:50):
himself for the last three years. And there's a belief
that eventually it's gonna work its way back to you know,
balance and balance things out. And if that does happen,
then that really does get the Raiders a much better
chance to be competitive in these football him.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, let's go Rams at Baltimore.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
You know, Baltimore did another starting quarterback, So you think
it makes it easier for the Rams, don't you.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Vinny, Yeah, it does, but you know what, the Rams
just played a team without their starting quarterback at home,
by the way, and lost that game for forty nine ers.
And the forty nine ers are banged up, you know
as well. It's not just that they don't have their quarterback.
They there's there's a few guys on that team that
they didn't have and somehow, some way, the forty niners
were able to to find a way. Now, granted it
(08:34):
doesn't help. You know, Karin Williams fumbles the ball up
at the goal line. Not to put the big figure
on him, but that changes the game. He scores that touchdown.
The Rams win that game. So it's a long trip
to Baltimore. It's a tough place to play. But I
think without Lamar Jackson, this is this has got to
be a get right game for for the Rams, you know,
(08:56):
and don't don't go screwing around and and you know,
kicking away great opportunities like this. I think they kind
of squandered one against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
They kind of hard to squander this one.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, so let's go, uh you know Chargers, Vinny, I
was at that game, uh, and they got manhandled, especially
for three quarters against the against the Commanders. What started
off as very promising and looked like they they were
at for the really for the first time, felt like
(09:29):
the Chiefs were not the team to beat. It felt
like the Chargers. And now all of a sudden, I
don't feel so confident about the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Yeah, and you know, it also shows you that, you know,
there's a cursion others, there's there's parody in the NFL.
You know that, Rodney, And you start losing some key
players like offensive lineman like the like the Charge and
we're not just talking about you know, plugging offensive lineman.
We're talking about very very good offensive lineman that that
that protect you know, your most expensive of and most
(10:00):
important player in Justin Herbern right now without the benefit
of of what what would have it would have been
a great offensive line, what started out to be a
good offensive line is anything but right now. And Justin's
just getting hit left and right, and that's that's definitely
not stable and that certainly, uh, you know, hurts them,
and it just hurts their whole operation. It's not right now,
(10:21):
it's not what who the Charger to wanted to be
and who they look like early in the season. They're
losing running backs as well, so they're going to have
to somehow some way withstand this a little injury bug
that they're going through and get stabilized and and and
hope for a return of health for some of those
guys at least to give the least that they can
(10:43):
start playing at that close to full strength. Because right now,
like I said, with parody, the way it is in
the NFL, we've seen that here with the Raiders. You
lose like a guy like brock Bauer, and it changes
your whole offense. It's not an excuse either. That literally
changes everything about the offense. And you know, without your
two tackles, that just real big problem for the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You know. Then let's just be honest. Everybody agrees, and
he'll agree with this, right justin Herbert has incredible talent, right, yes, absolutely,
so we agree with that. We agree. But here's the deal.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
There's a point in time where you got to make
that leap, you know what I mean? For however you
do it, you gotta do it. And to me, this
seems like a do it year for him.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Right? Yeah? It does?
Speaker 5 (11:30):
And uh, and.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
You know, if and.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
If these are prolonged injuries for some of these guys
and they know, get it done. You know, there goes
the okay, you know, well, there's there's a plausible explanation
for this. You know, he didn't have you know, his
full arsenal of players around him, and you know, on
some level that is plausible. But to your point, when
you when you take a step forward and become that
guy and not just a guy or a pretty big guy,
(11:57):
but a great guy. You know, the the Patrick mahomes
and and other great quarterbacks have been able to survive
and win and win big even when you know some
of their some of they don't have some of those
great teammates around them. And we haven't seen Justin do
that even with a full arsenal uh and and full group.
So there is still a little bit of doubt, and
it becomes here comes another excuse, you know, for for
(12:21):
Justin Herbert and and we've there's been a lot of those,
you know, since he came into the into the NFL.
It's been kind of more that than than anything else.
As good as he is, it always feels like at
the very end of the year, there's some kind of
explanation or excuse and and for him to get to
that next level, he's got to put all those aside
and just get the job done.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
All right.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah, it's easy when you you said it earlier.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Man, it's easier said and done.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
But when you get hit, when you're getting hit thirty
times a game, it's hard to make it happen.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
I know.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
It's why I it's why you gotta.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
You gotta really put it into perspective, like hit at
You know, it's an alarmingly high rate. And you know
what that does to a quarterback. Rodney, It's just you can't.
You can't function like that in the NFL. He's a
good runner and all that kind of stuff, and hey,
you get beat down physically and mentally, and you know,
then you start losing games. It's not a good world
(13:17):
to be in as a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
No, not at all. Well, Bennie, thanks for being in
our world today. It means the world to me.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
All right. I appreciate it, and go Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Thanks.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Vinnie.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
All right, there's our buddy, Vinnie Bond Senior. When we
come back. How did the Phillies feel about what happened
last night? Well, we're going to take it to the
Phillies postgame show, because that's always a treat. Also want
to talk about what is going on in social media
(13:47):
with the Philly fans.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
All right, here we go, keeping it down, winding it down,
down the home stretch. Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan on a
beautiful Friday, A Friday. Bet, I didn't ask you this. Yeah,
who do you prefer to play? You prefer to play
the Cubbies or the Brewers.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Well, I look at it like this. Whoever the Dodgers
end up playing, good luck to them. But I think
I'd rather play the Cubs. I know the Cubs are
hitting the ball, I know that, but I think I'd
rather play the Cubs. I think I'd rather finish the
way we started. We started with the Cubs, and we'll
finish with the Cubs. Yeah, yeah, I think I think
(14:31):
you're right. Milwaukee's a deeper team. We've seen, you know
that the from them, even though they lost these last
couple of games in Chicago, But they are This regular
season was not a fluke. They are a good, good
team with good pitching and a couple of guys that
are very hot right now offensively. So I think they
(14:54):
would match up really, really good with the Cubs. I
do too, All right, let me tell you the story.
What kind of bothered me last night? Checked it again today,
still annoying.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
So hear this.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
You got these people in Philadelphia right now. We know
the game was a three o eight start here in
Los Angeles. Three o eight is a tough time, a
tough start time in La Okay. When you saw pictures
of the stadium throughout the evening, there were people in
the stands and I have to give them credit. We
know three Oh wait, it's a tough time to get
(15:28):
to a game. Here, is that fair, Rodney? Oh yeah,
one of the worst times you can get to the game.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
All right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
So anyway, these people from Philadelphia, and it started early
and it continued on. They were very, very sharp, and
that when the cameras panned the crowd, they'd freeze it
and take shots of empty seats, take shots of empty seats,
and they would continue to post what kind of fans
(15:55):
of these? These people don't care. They've got other things
going on in their life. They don't even show up.
So you see one or two of them, you go
to yourself, well, all right, these people are idiots anyway,
they don't know. And you can do anything on social
media but that it continued, and it continued, and actually
it became.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
People are the same same, multiple, kind of group multiple,
and it became more of a trend basically criticizing the
fans here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Oh so they were kind of attacking the fans of
LA of not showing up for the Dodgers not being here,
not filling the stands.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
Is that what they're kind of insinuating. Yeah, that's they
were doing.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
And again, we know the Dodgers drew over four million
fans this year, and you know what, to even say
anything about it, to defend it is asinine. There is
no reason to defend it, right, It's indefensible.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
But yeah, these stats don't matter, I guess because, like
you mentioned, the Dodgers out draw anybody in Major League
Baseball and have or I don't know how long over
four million fans. I mean, you can't argue with that.
That's just real facts. So what are we talking about?
(17:12):
What you can't argue with this? They're also the top
road draw in baseball. Yeah, so look at it like.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
This, in whatever stadium in this country the Dodgers are
playing in on a specific night, there will be more
fans at that game than any other game. Maybe that's
the best way to look at it. You're the top
road draw, you're the top home draw. So that means
wherever you are playing, be it at home in Los
(17:39):
Angeles or you're playing the Pirates in Pittsburgh, whatever, the
average attendance in Pittsburgh normally is is going to be
increased dramatically because the Dodgers are there so for people
because now you got to go you got to start
picking on things, right, you hate us, because you hate us,
so now we're going to say, well, here's your problem,
(18:00):
and we're better fans in there.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
We get it. We know not those people, they don't
know anything that cuts deep when they say that, Oh
my goodness.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
You know it does cut deep. It cuts deep. And
here's why do not tell the people that live in
this city they are not true fans. Don't do that
because it is insulting. I look at the fans. We
do this for a living. So we know, we know,
we know that the people that like the Dodgers listen
(18:31):
to the radio show, and a lot of people listen
to the radio show because they like the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
We got it, We understand how this works. And it's
just ignorant.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
It's ignorant, it's insulting, it's kind of just playing out stupid.
It's kind of if you do that, you're not the
kind of people we even want to know. You're not
stupid people. They're stupid, and there's aggressively stupid. Stupid people
don't know they're stupid. Aggressively stupid people do know and
they continue to be stupid. That is aggressively stupid.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
I like that term. Aggressively stupid. It's true.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Okay, right, you know, you know somebody and you know
they just don't have it or they're saying stuff that
makes no sense and everybody in the room knows it.
So instead of going, hey Joe, I got to be
honest with you. You're wrong about that, or even if
you tell them, hey Joe, I gotta be honest with you,
you're wrong about that, he goes, Oh no, I'm not,
and let me tell you more about what is wrong
(19:32):
that I'm saying. That's aggressively stupid, and that's kind of
what that was. They just bothered me, it really did.
I mean, you were playing in the Division series, your
team has a chance to go to the league Championship series,
perhaps to the World Series. It's a seminal year for
the Phillies because that team is going to look different
(19:53):
next year because of the free agents.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It's going to look different. That was the window for
that group. That was it.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
There was their window for that particular group of players.
And what you take away from that is, well, look,
there's empty seats in LA. There's empty seats. That's what
you took away from it. A team that many thought
would win the World Series this year, really before the season,
they were right there with the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
It was at the upper upper right field corner section
of Did you see it because you know where it was? Yeah, yeah, exactly,
I saw that shot. That's where it was.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Now, if you captured that shot and that was the
only shot, you captured that only image and showed that
and said nobody showed up, But that was the only
image you showed, Yeah, you'd go where is everybody? There's
nobody in the stadium. But as I watched the game,
(20:59):
which I did standon, looked pretty full to me. Yeah,
gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, And was a shot at you know, top of
the first inning, you know, before the game really gets
underway and gets going. Yeah. Yeah, as people are three
o'clock in LA trying to get the Dodger Stadium, which
people outside of LA don't necessarily understand how sometimes challenging
(21:28):
it is to get the Dodger Stadium at three o'clock
in the afternoon. Yeah, it's just tickie tag. But you know,
love my city of brotherly love. But sometimes they can
be a little obnoxious. Freddy.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Well, that being said, now let's take a listen to
a portion of the Phillies postgame show on their own
network after the first loss. We know what they sounded like.
So now the season is over, it has come to
an end. Understand, these are employees, I believe some of them,
(22:03):
of the Phillies.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
So let's hear the hand. I'm really ticked off right now, Michael,
be honest with that. This is to have it end
that way. Just take it again, breath, just pick it
up and you can run an underhand it to first base.
Speaker 7 (22:16):
I mean, it's obviously just panicked and I don't know,
I just couldn't deal with the moment.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I guess at the time. It's a really rough way.
Speaker 7 (22:24):
To lose and to end your season when you have
a comebacker like that and a basically very simple play.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Earlier in the game.
Speaker 7 (22:32):
Christopher Sanchez, on the other hand, made a heck of
a play under the same sort of circumstance. Came off
the mountain and threw a strike to Bryce Harper to
make that play. But it's clear that Ryan Kirkring was
not in the right state of mind. I probably would
have just let Lozardo face the right hander. He had
nasty stuff. Oriyan sadly has proven that he hasn't been
(22:55):
able to get out of those situations, and Lozardo looked
like he was actually throwing the ball real well.
Speaker 8 (23:01):
I probably would have stayed with him.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
And if I was going to lose the game, rather
lose the game with a guy like Lizardo. Right now,
with the way he's thrown and the way he looked
on the mound, I liked his demeanor on the mound.
He wasn't he wasn't baffled, he wasn't scared. It looked
like he still had good stuff. But they you know,
they went to uh Kirkering because of the right on
righty and it didn't work out.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Mm hmm, there it is. It sounded kind of calm
and rational.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Friend, I think one of them said, I'm not sure.
I can't remember. Maybe we had it down. I think
one of them said I wouldn't even put him in
the game.
Speaker 8 (23:37):
I did cut that part out. Yes, I wouldn't even
put him in the game. He said he would not
put Kirkering in that situation with men on base.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yes, Oh god.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
He sounds like honest analysis to me, like he was fair.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Yeah, just straight up.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Look, they they they watch him on a regular basis,
more so than we do, so they you know, they
can comment on it. But man, just after the fact,
right twenty twenty analysis. But do you think because people
were talking about this that and Kevin mentioned it on
(24:13):
our on our text string about walking Otani in that moment,
did you agree with that, even though Tani has been struggling,
walking him to load the bases for mookie bets, Yeah,
you set up a force in any base.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah. And here's the funny thing. We were talking about
this earlier. Okay, I said Otani's no a liability in
the leadoff spot. Move him, and you know everybody went
to shut up, Fred, They're not moving him out of
the leadoff spot. But here's the other side of it.
Right now, he can't hit his hat size. We should
be fair.
Speaker 9 (24:49):
Not only that he's not even making contact a lot
of times so close Duran could have struck him out
fairly easily the way he's been hitting, so the force
at every base, he's not even going to make contact.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
But here's the thing, Kevin, and here's the thing, and
you said it earlier, Rodney.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, but he might. That's the problem. He might. And
they're always aware of that, right.
Speaker 9 (25:13):
When you kind of I mean, at that point you
traded for Duran to be your star closer. You have
your best on the mound against their best. I'd like
to like him go toe to toe and if your
best beats my best, and so be it in a
game like that.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, but didn't you say last night their best has
struggled lately?
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Did I say that?
Speaker 8 (25:33):
I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I think you said real sharp, Well I did say so.
Speaker 9 (25:36):
As of that inning, Yes, so he was fairly wild.
He was all over the place, which I think Taal
bailed him out. They could he would have walked in
the second run. They wouldn't even gone to extra innings
at that point.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
They el swung at two that were just bad.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Balls, tail walked talked, you would have walked on four
pitches easily. Yeah, And and he he bailed him out.
Here's what I was surprised about. He brought the ran
in with one out in in the seventh, right in
the seventh.
Speaker 8 (26:04):
Yeah, it was the seventh.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Yes, yeah, one out. He's gonna go two and two
thirds innings. No he's not. I don't care if he
doesn't do anything wrong. I don't care if he's he's
being mowing him down. There's no way that guy's going
to go two and two thirds innings. Why would you
bring him? Did you think about what might happen afterwards?
Did that enter your mind? Well, we better got out
(26:28):
of this, so we'll put him in right here. But
then what then? What happens?
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (26:34):
I know what happened? Then then what is you worry about? Then?
What when? What comes up?
Speaker 4 (26:39):
But at that moment and the high leverage, you got
to find a way and go to your best opportunity
to get out.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Let me ask you this there, Let me ask you this.
And they lost. It's over, so we're just chopping it up.
Let me ask you this. He went to Sanchez, didn't
he how'd he look once a Lizarda Lazardo. Howd he
look amazing? Okay, why did you put Lazardo in earlier
(27:07):
and then you have Duran to close the game, because
certainly Lazardo could have gone.
Speaker 9 (27:13):
I mean, the thought might have been that Duran was
more rested than Lizardo. You have Lazardo in your back
pocket if you need him, but you're hoping that you
put your best guy in there in a high leverage
situation and you can get those out so you don't
have to worry about bringing Lazardo in. He was maybe
a break glass in case of emergency. Guy could be
considering he was only on a couple of days rest.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Well, that's fair, but it was an emergency. I'm glad
they did what they did. Don't get me wrong. I'm
glad Dave left Szaki in there. Yeah, I'm glad he
did that.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Yeah. Were you nervous when it gets.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
No, he's going he's going to three you know, three innings?
You know you wanted him to keep going, right, But
as it kept going, you knew at some point somebody
else was coming in.
Speaker 9 (27:58):
Darian, I know what you're gonna say, Fred, Yeah, when
Blake trying and stood up in the bullpen.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
We all saw it. Everybody saw it. I knew it.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
This is so awful when I saw him get up.
This is terrible, and I'm sorry, I went, oh my god, no, no.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Now that is really bad. I'm sorry. Not the only one, Fred, but.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I'm sure a lot of people went, oh no, we
don't no, no, no no. And he was next so
to me, to me, so if if the game went
thirty seven innings, Sazaki was still pitching, he was not
coming out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Oh yeah, bringing in uh who they bring Investia? Right, yeah,
bringing Investia. Were you okay with that? Or would you
have left Sazaki? Let him just keep going.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
Do you want the truth of what I would really do? No,
I want you to lie to me, Fred, Okay, here, Rodney.
I thought it was brilliant and Vessia did a great job.
And he got a little help from Harrison Bader. That's
for damn sure he.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Did because that was what that was a three two count.
Speaker 8 (29:09):
Yeah when it was a phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
He battled him nine to ten pitches. He took.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Bessie and then swung at that that change of outside
that was like two feet off the plate. God, but yeah,
it was it was up to the up until then
it was it was a great grated bat. So how
were you when Vessie came in?
Speaker 2 (29:34):
In the words of Dave Roberts. In the words of
Dave Roberts, when the accusation was Manny Machatto threw the
ball at the Dodger dugout remember that after warm up
by Chant threw the ball at him. But he really didn't.
But when David asked about it, he goes, it.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Was unnerving when I saw Vessie and I like him.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
I think all fans like him, and we trust him
and believe in them, and he's delivered in huge moments.
But as it has gone this year, when I saw that,
it was unnerving.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's what it was. Because I was coming the game
when you saw him come in again, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Room for you when he came in, that meant Sazaki
was done right right right then, Everything to me was unnerving.
Everything it was like, oh, no, I know, you know,
it's insane. I would not take Sazaki out.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
When she was living.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
I know, we don't have time, but dude, to go back,
I don't even know. It was like maybe three weeks
ago Fred talk about Sazaki he's just an adventure. I
would not bring him out of the pen.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
That's right, right, you know, he's just an adventure.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
He's all over the place. You never know what he's
gonna get. I would never bring him out of the pen.
He's a starter. But man, you bring him in, he
can't find the striding zone.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I did say that. Now, never take him out.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
No, no, because maybe you don't understand this. Maybe you
don't understand this. Life is fluid. There are no absolutes.
Life is fluid, there are no absolutes. But no, I
just thought, keep him in, do not take him out. Anyway,
All's well, that ends well. So, uh, if Milwaukee wins,
(31:29):
Dodgers open on the road. If Chicago wins Kevin, Dodgers
open here, correct.
Speaker 8 (31:35):
That is correct? In Game one will be Monday regardless.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yes, so it's Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, I think, yes, okay,
best of seven in this go round.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
Hey, wait, surprised, real quick.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I forgot that they don't do the man at second
base the next Grannings in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I know, thankfully. Oh yes, really.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
It's the playoffs, Fred earn it. I understand.
Speaker 9 (32:00):
If it's the middle of July, and you don't want
to run through your pitching staff in a sixteen inning
game or something, but you have to.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Earn every Look at how last night ended. Earn every
single base runner.
Speaker 9 (32:10):
I would hate for a game to end because a
guy hits a single on a guy who's already standing
on second base and the game ends that way, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
Well, everybody that was sitting there with Rodney did exactly
what you did. Oh yeah, they don't start with a
runner on second base, And everybody sitting there and.
Speaker 8 (32:23):
Went, good right, good for everybody?
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Did that? Good for them? Yeah, gotta earn it. You
gotta earn it, man.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yeah, because it was like, oh, okay, who's gonna start
on second That's what.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
I was thinking. I would say, wait, oh, here we go, because.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
You know, again, it's easy to get a cheap run
in those situations, and you don't want it to be
after a game like that where the pitching was phenomenal
to have it in because you start a runner at
second base and somebody got a bloop single that scores
that run from second base, and it would be bad.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
It's bad luck.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Yeah, And I'm glad they didn't go to my plan
of home run derby to break a tie game last night.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
I think the Mountains Gyles Swarvers would account it as three.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
Yeah, I think so, depending on how far you hit
it is how many you get credited for.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
Oh that and that is a highlight from that series.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Folks, it's over Dodgers when but come on, you got
to give it up for that. You gotta give it
up for that home run that Schwarver hit. All right,
so we'll come back and wrap this up.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
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Speaker 3 (34:02):
Wise.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Here we go, wrapping it up on a Friday. I
hope you all have a good weekend. I know I
am Fred because the Trojans are gonna beat the Michigan
Wolverines tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
That's all that matters. That's all that matters. Baby. We
go base You got nothing to worry about in baseball.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
That's done nothing chilling till Monday.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Okay, quickly, Tigers are Mariners. Oh, I'm going Detroit, Fred
they got some.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
Uh and even though the Mariners have beat him, they
think the last three times. Uh, I gotta go with him.
He's the cy young winner and this do or die game.
I think he's gonna be unhittable today, and they let
they let him go fifteen innings.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
It danced to be. Cubs are Marinders. Cubs your earth.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I gotta yeah, I'm going Brewers at home.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Deciding game. I just think the uh.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
I think the Brewers and from a pitching standpoint, still
got a lot of firepower. I'm going Brewers at home.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
All right?
Speaker 2 (35:16):
Well you got I got Tigers. I gotta be Tigers.
My classic World series, my old time would be Tigers Dodgers.
Dodgers have to win. Tiger's Dodgers would work for me.
Cubby's Brewers. You know what I'm I got. I can't
walk it back, Rodney, I can't. I gotta go Cubs.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah. And Ted Sobel who listens to the show, Kevin.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You know him, Barry Welled, Uh, he has sent me
a text saying if there was a game in Los
Angeles next Tuesday, it will probably be postponed.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Heavy rains are in the forecast, oh for Tuesday, for Tuesday. Okay,
so if and Ted sobl knows because he's also a meteorologist.
Speaker 9 (35:59):
Well you say, aren't we all, Fred, That's that's what
we're all, meteorologist.
Speaker 1 (36:04):
You huh? Aren't you the walking doppler?
Speaker 2 (36:09):
People say, my god, I've never seen anybody with as
large a doppler.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
As you have.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Oh wow, Okay, Ronnie, thank you, great week, great week, Kevin,
appreciate it very much. Have a terrific weekend, everybody. Rodney,
We're back Monday, sir,
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