October 20, 2025 • 44 mins
Id Dave Roberts leads the Dodgers to another World Series title should he be considered the best manager in Dodger history? Vinny Bonsignore talks week 7 in the NFL including the Raiders being dominated in KC and the Chargers getting run out of SoFi by the Colts. Also, who would you prefer the Dodgers face in the World Series - Seattle or Toronto?
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And we continue on Fred Rogan and Rodney peaked on
a five to seventy LA Sports. It is a three
hour program for us today. Hard to believe we actually
work three hours, but we will because with baseball we're
flexed all over the place. And that being the case,
we've got the World Series start times. Bill Plunket our
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buddy reported it. All World Series games, regardless of location,
We'll start at five pm Pacific, that is eight pm
Eastern time. So what does that mean for us? That
means the pregame show will go on at four, That's
what it means, the pregame show at four. We'll have
the game at five, and that means we will move.
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I don't know exactly where we're gonna move to yet
or for how long we'll move. I mean we could
be on nine to noon, we could be on eleven
to one. I'm not sure one will be on. But
that is the schedule. And again, if Toronto wins, Games
one and two are in Toronto Friday Saturday, Dodger Stadium Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But don't we know we're not going to be on
noon to three for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yes we know that, we know that, but that doesn't
mean we won't be one to two, but it won't
be noon to three, correct. It could be eleven to one,
could be, but we won't be on till three. That's correct.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So if you're driving or you're like, oh, I'm going
to catch the last hour of Rogan and Rodney from
two to three, we're not going to be on.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
We will not be on.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
No, we might be on nine to noon, yes, could be,
there could be, but will beyond. We just don't know
where we'll be on. But in any event, all the
games are at five. If Seattle wins Games one and
two at Dodgers Stadium Friday Saturday, up to Seattle for
the middle of the week, back the weekend for game
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six and seven, and there is a game on Halloween night.
Oh very spooky, very very spooky. I want you to
think about something. And this guy takes an awful lot
of crap, an awful lot of crap, and he gets
it on this show, by the way, he doesn't get
it from the two of us, but he gets a
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lot of crap win or lose, he gets it win
the World series. People call and go, yeah, but I
want to talk about a decision he made seven years ago.
You know, if he'd only done this differently, lose a game,
God forbid, well, then he's been a bum all the
way through. But has he been a bum all the
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way through? I don't think so, Dave Roberts?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Do you know if the Dodgers win the World Series,
he will have been the manager for three of them?
Walter Alston won four. I'my losorda one two, and it
is safe to say that, even if it doesn't happen
this year, Dave Roberts is going to win at least three,
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and if you want to go a step further, there
is a very good possibility he will win more than
Walter Alston. But when you look at the Dodger managers
of you listening, of course you think the guy's a bum.
His record speaks for itself. But of course everybody says
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fire him. But you know there's a chance he will
be the winningest manager in Dodger history. Rodney, Does he
get the credit he deserves?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But I know he doesn't. I know it's not even close.
And I'll be quite honest with you at this point,
maybe the question is why.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That's the question.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
First of all, I know he doesn't care, So that's
that straight. And I know the players that he coaches
doesn't care. They know who he is and they know
what he's done. And you mentioned that, Yeah, this will
be his third championship. But let's not forget they they
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went to two other ones too, you know, unfortunately lost
to Boston. They unfortunately lost to the cheat n Astros
as well. He was the manager. So this will this
is his what fifth World Series as manager of the Dodgers. Fifth,
this is his fifth World Series as manager of the Dodgers.
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Let that sink in five World Series. He's taking this
team too. And before you go to, oh, anybody could
have done it, no, they couldn't have. Know they couldn't
have it. Takes a certain level and certain level of personality,
psyche coaching, managering, all of those things to get a
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group like the is to play together and to play
together at the right time.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
So stop.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
You also understand it is very difficult to manage the Dodgers.
And I don't care what the roster is at a
given point in time. You know, Walter Alston was very reserved, understated,
signed a contract every year, happy to be there. Good players,
nice chemistry, good culture.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Walter Elston won four.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Then we have Tommy Lesorda, who I think, by all
accounts was probably the most beloved Dodger manager. Flamboyant, outspoken,
fun an entertainer. People loved him. He had a different
approach of Walter Alston. And I think, really Lasorda, when
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you think a great Dodger manager, you think Lasorda because
his personality was enormous, and.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I think you would gain you know, up until you
know obviously, now, if you were they ranked the top
Dodger managers, Losordo would be at the top, right with
most fans, Dodger fans, I would say, yeah, yeah, what
happens that if the Dodgers win it this year?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Well that's my point.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, listen, I'll tell you what it was. Say, well, well,
they had all the talent. That's why he should have
won all those which people say all the time, he
should have won, The Dodgers should win. It's like people said,
excuse me, well they should go one hundred and sixty
two and oh and they should win it all. Why
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are you giving Roberts the credit? Because they had all
the talent. People didn't believe that in late August early
September that the Dodgers were going to go and just
roll and win the World Series.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
There's still decisions to be made.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
So when Lesta won the World Series, it's because that
year he had all the talent. When Walter Alston won
four World.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Service, no, it's because Lasorda was a brilliant manager, because
they had talent. Oh had you know Walter Hauston was
a brilliant manager, not because he had talent. So you know,
you can't you can't put it on the manager when
you got that much talent, unless the manager's Tom of
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the Sorda or David or Walter Alston. Then it's the
manager's decisions.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You have to You have to keep this in mind
how important it is to hire the right people in
any business. I go back to when Goggenheim took over,
Andrew Friedman was a huge fan of Gabe Kapler really
wanted Gab to be the manager. Now, Mark Walter is
going to have a final call on that, and I'm
sure Stan Caston was in the room as well.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Mark Walter met Gabe Capler, very capable guy. Has managed
in the Bigs, ran the Dodger minor League system gets it, understands.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But Mark Walter wasn't feeling it. Just wasn't feeling it.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Doesn't mean Gabe's bad wrong, it just wasn't feeling it.
When Dave Roberts walked in, he was feeling it.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
He felt it. That was the guy.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And it turns out that that hire, that guy became
the face of the franchise. That guy was the guy
that was always front and center. He was representing the franchise.
That's how important hiring the right guy is. When the
Rams hired Sean McVay, obviously he can coach football, but
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he can't command the room, any room. Dave Roberts can't
command any room. His comment, his comment, I'm fry, was
the best comment I think I've heard fifteen years. You know,
before the season, they said, the Dodgers are ruining baseball.
Let's win four more and really ruin it the best.
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That's the guy I want on my team. That's the
guy I want leading my team. Just staring him right
in the eye, just look at him right in the
eye and going, yet, okay, we're ruining baseball. We're really
ruining for you this year. You're welcome everybody, Thank you
and good night. That's the kind of guy you want.
You need a guy that knows more than when to bunt,
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and that's who they hired in Dave Roberts. Charming, personable, charismatic,
commands any room, remembers everybody's name. Players love him because
he's a good person. That's who you want to manage
your team. That's why he's been successful. Even though sorta
big personality commanded the room, people loved him. He remembered
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your name, and if he didn't eat act like he did,
nonetheless people loved them. He had that kind of personality.
Dave's got that kind of personality. That's why I think,
on a separate note, I think JJ Reddick it's good
they signed him to that extension because he's not that
kind of guy. And when the Dodger people take over,
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they're going to look at everything. Every decision matters. There
is a reason for everything you do. You can find
a guy that's a very good baseball strategist, but in
Los Angeles that position requires more, and Dave Roberts is more.
That's why he's been successful. How can you argue if
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he wins again?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
How can you argue if he keeps.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Winning well, people will Fred, What are you talking about?
They have the best team. It's they got the best
pitching staff, they got the best players. I can manage
that team. That's the narrative that's gonna happen. Dave's not
gonna get any credit. He's not gonna get a credit
for the Dodgers winning this World Series?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It is they have the best team. It's like they
said before the season, they got the best team. They
went out and got the best pitching staff. How do
you not win? That's not Dave Roberts. That's that's Andrew Friedman.
That's that's who they say. That's that's Mark Walters and Gougenheim.
They have more money than everybody else.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You're supposed to.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Win when you have that kind of money and that
kind of team.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Are you kidding? You don't have to play the game.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You just you just like close your eyes and and
and pick out the lineup on a regular basis, and
you should win. That's all Dave Roberts does. Come on,
d you know that?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So, using that as the template, if the manager of
the A's was the manager of the Dodgers and Dave
Roberts was the manager of the A's.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And it's Mark Cotte.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I think as a manager of the A's, I can
assure you, as the manager of the A's, Dave Roberts
would not have won three World Series. I can assure
you that. I can also assure you, nor would Mark
Cott say if he was the manager of the Dodgers.
So given this group, this talent, that means not anybody
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can manage well, anybody can manage in Oakland or now
wherever they're at Sacramento, because you know what's gonna happen there.
We don't expect much. It's kind of like running a
TV station in a small market. You know what they
tell the boss, Just don't lose money. Yeah, that's kind
of the expectation.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just don't lose money.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You're okay, Hey.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You know you're the manager of the A's. Let's get
everybody to the game on time. See if we can
teach him, build little culture. Get out there, guys, give
it your best shot. We know we got no chance.
We know that it's like Bud.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Black and losses.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Wins and losses are not the most important thing, is
that what you're saying, Fred.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh, they are but you have a realistic understanding of
what you can accomplish. Wins and losses are the most
important thing unless you know you're gonna lose more than
you're gonna win, or it's gonna be close. I mean
in Colorado, Bud Black, But that was just I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
That was cruel. That was what How did that happen?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
If you're the manager of the Angels, you pretty much
know what's gonna happen before you start. You know, everybody
play hard, Let's get as many as we can. We're
not kidding anybody here. No, they don't have the talent
of the Dodgers, so there is more expected. But I
have to tell you there and there are some very
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good managers major League Baseball. Terry Francona is a green manager,
A J. Hinch we all hate. He's a pretty good manager,
be honest with you. Pretty good manager. But I don't
know if they could do what Dave Roberts has done
with the Dodgers. And I know for sure they couldn't
be the kind of face of the franchise he's been
that I know one hundred percent. So as we continue
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this journey, if he wins this one, that's three. He's
one ahead of le sorta, one behind Alston. There's no
reason to think things are gonna fall apart after this season.
No matter what happens, he doesn't have a chance to
go down as the winningest manager in Dodger history. All right,
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what happened to the Chargers? Are they done? Who are they?
Who are they? Because when they started, you thought, my god,
they can go to the super Bowl? Nothing go to
uh beal Ario in Woodland Hills. We'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 3 (15:26):
Is all the way up, all the way up.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Let's go, Rodney, Pete Fred Rogan on a Monday, Big
Big Sports weekend Monday lot to get to come on, Freddy.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
All right, Rodney, Uh, let's get some NFL in and
man Bennie Bond signor is currently in New York at
the NFL Owners meetings, and Bennie jumps on, now, Bennie,
how are.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
You doing a lot better than the Raiders are doing?
That's for darn shure.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You know, I was gonna try to bury that, to
be honest with you, I didn't want to. I didn't
want to put you in a bad mood when he started.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
There's no burying what happened yesterday in Kansas City. It
was belt to you know what. And I think it
was a wake up call to the Raiders on kind
of where they are right now, and for Pete Carroll
to understand how big of a task this is in
Las Vegas to get this thing turned around.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
They are called wake up call.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Any wake up call happened three weeks ago. I mean,
what did they need a wake up call for when
they've been basically struggling most of the season.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah, you know, you know how optimistic feat is. And uh,
And I think that he thought that this thing was
further along than what it is. And I think that's
the wake up call or the reality check, whatever you
want to call it to him and the organization that
that this thing is is much further Uh. You know,
further away from where he wanted to be, then closer
to where he wanted to be, And they didn't even
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they were on the same planet as a Chiefs for yesterday.
And granted the Raiders had some injuries blocked by Khoe Myers,
but you know, if they were in that game, it
would have been you know, a far maybe not a
thirty one point victory for the Chiefs, but there was
no way that the Raiders were going to win that game.
And to be honest with you, Andy Reid, did Pete
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Carroll lethalon He pulled all the starters and just started
running in the middle of the lion of scimmage from
the end of the third quarter to the rest of
the game. He's kind of showing them a little bit
of respect because if they had kept the starters out there,
the thing might have been a sixty point win for
the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Maybe they're awful, that's the problem. I mean, they just
look really bad.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Injuries aside, This is not indicative of a Pete Carroll team.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Thirty first downs for the Chiefs, three for the Raiders.
The Chiefs had more first downs than the Raiders had plays,
they had more points than the Raid almost more points
than the Raiders had yardage full yardage. There was a
point in the game in the third quarter where it
was where it was more points than yards for the
Chiefs than the Raiders. So when you start it was
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a historically bad game. I mean, there were they set
records for ineptness. And I'm not quite sure where the
Raiders go from here. They're on their bye week, They'll
get some of their players back, but it doesn't change
the fundamental challenges that faces them and obstacles that face them.
They just don't have a very good roster right now.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, so what do you Where do you go? Vinny?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I know you're saying that, but where can you Can
you point to one thing? Defensive line is I know
Genal Smith has struggled till far this season, but there's
a reason why he's struggling as well. What can you
what can they hang their hat on one or two
aspects of their team to go? If we just improved
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this a little bit, we'll be Okay.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
That's a that's a really good questions.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
That's my answer.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Let's start with what's working. Boss Bowers is a really
good tight end. Max Cross is a really good defensive end.
Nash and Gent's already a really good running back. But
about it and everything else is needs a lot of work.
They're either young or inexperienced, 're just not very good,
or they're injured in some cases. So it's just a
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bad mix right now. And I think again, everyone's kind
of realizing that that this roster had a long way
to go. And I don't know that's Heat necessarily signed
up for that, but that's what he signed up for ultimately.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Okay, Viny by the way, who's yelling in the background, you.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Know how he gets in New York. So it's one
of those It's one of those situations. But we love it.
We love it here on the East Coast, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So now now let's talk about the Rams. Matthew Stafford
had a very good game. So are the Rams out
much better than Jacksonville? Or is Jacksonville not very good?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I think Jacksonville. Yeah, No, they're they're They're that much
better than Jacksonville. Without questioning. I think the Rams are good.
I think you know, when you look at some of
the Rams losses, they can look at themselves right in
the mirror and say, we're kind of the reason why
those games weren't victories. You know, the fumble at the
at the at the end zone to get to build
up the Eagles, a missed field goal, block field goal.
You know, the Rams have only themselves to blame in
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their losses, and I think you just clean that up
and keep that clean, then they're going to be in
every single game and win a bunch of games. So
I think I still think that they are a Super
Bowl contender and as long as they can play clean football,
they're going to be in that mix without without questions.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Do you think Matthew Stafford gets enough credit, Vinnie? Because everybody,
you know, everybody throws out different quarterbacks around the league,
but week in and week out, he does different things
that impress you and just go, why is this guy
not talked about of at least the guys playing as
the top two to three quarterback that's playing right now.
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It just seems that he doesn't get the respect that
he deserves.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, And I think a lot of it has to
do with the team and the organization that he played
with previously. You know, his time in Detroit preceded as
Brat Holmes and the great coach that they have there.
And the great team that they have there, it was
an uphill struggle for them. He lost a lot of games.
He's one of the losing his quarterbacks, of the of
the great starting quarterbacks in this league, probably of all time.
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I'd have to look at those numbers. But I think
that stigma probably still carries with him a little bit,
and he just hasn't had a whole lot of chances
to show the world how good of a player he
is in in playoff settings. When he did, they went
went to the Super Bowl. And last year, you know,
the loss to the to the to the Eagles wasn't
necessarily on him. So I just think he needs more
stages like that. I know he's getting to the end
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of his career, but he's got that with the Rams
and for him to really, you know, put himself into
that kind of conversation. He doesn't have a whole lot
of time left to do that. But if he could
get to another Super Bowl, maybe win another Super Bowl,
I think people are going to be looking at him
a little bit differently because he is really good.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
All right, Let's go to the Chargers and boy, what
a promising start, and now just what a what an
egg they've played Benny.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean one thing, you know, they're her. But
I'll tell you this. I saw the Colts a couple
of weeks ago, and they put a whooping on the Raiders.
That's a really good football team. It's a very balanced
football team. They've got a really good defense, they've got
a great running game, they've got really good skill players,
and they've got a quarterback that has meshed perfectly with
Shane Sniken, you know, the offensive coordinator, slat head coach
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of the Colts. It's just they're hitting on all cylinders.
And you know it, Just Rodney, you know this more
than anybody. Situations matter in life, especially in sports. You know,
Daniel Jones looked like a mediocre quarterback with the New
York Giants. He looked like a guy that was going
to be destined to be a backup quarterback for the
rest of his life. In the New York Giants situation
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with bad players around him, you know, maybe some things
that just weren't fitting, pieces that just weren't fitting. He
comes to the Annapolis Colts, which was kind of a
ready set made situation for a good quarterback. They tried
Anthony Richardson, he wasn't able to stay on the field
and be helping. He just quite honestly, wasn't very good
when he was in there. They handed to Daniel Jones
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and the experienced quarterback who kind of knows how to
how to manage a situation like this, and he's managing
it beautifully. So as bad as the Chargers looked yesterday,
and they did, and they they've kind of fallen on
hard times obviously after that promising start, a lot of
credit goes to the Colt as well. Now where the
Chargers go from here, I'm not quite sure because the
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team that I saw in Kansas City yesterday take away
the Raiders. The Raiders were beyond They were epically bad.
But even if they were good, that would have been
a tough game to win because the Chiefs are really good.
They've you know, they've added now the element of athleticism.
It's not just the defense, which has always been really good.
And Patrick Mahomes and Travis Travis Kelsey they've got they've
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got really good wide receivers now, really good speed on
that team, athletic ability. They could probably do a little
bit more at running back, but it's enough and combined
with the defense with Patrick Mahomes who's now throwing the
ball downfield, they could catch you to death like they
did with the Raiders. They had a sixteen play drive,
a seventeen play drive and I haven't played drive that
went for over ninety twice and over eighty one. It's
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just a machine. And so Pete Carroll said yesterday, good
luck to anybody that's getting ready to play the Chiefs
because they're starting to round that corner and I'm not
going to put it past them to be the best
keep in the AFC again this year.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And Daniel Jones, I mean going back to the coach thing,
which you said, yeah it is. Everybody wants to bang
on quarterbacks and they didn't. You know, this guy's a
bus or this guy's not. It definitely, more so than
any other position in any other sport, the quarterback has
to be in the right situation for him to thrive
because you depend on so many other elements in order
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for you to be successful. I don't care who you are.
And Daniel Jones walked into the perfect situation, a young
offensive coach that was building a team around the quarterback
that didn't necessarily work so you get the right quarterback
in there, and all of a sudden, people are like, Wow,
this is the way it's supposed to be. And Daniel
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Jones is a recipient of that benefit. So I'm happy
for him. And I don't think it's a surprise to
Colts people and within that building that they're playing as well.
But as far as the Chargers go, Vinnie, I don't know,
coming off that first win against the chief you thought
that they were going to take the next level and
take the next step, and here we are that I
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don't know if they make the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Yeah, and that's the thing. And you know they didn't
get any help from the Giants est today for blow
in that game to get the Denver Broncos or else
that you know, it would have it would have positioned
them better in the AFC West. There is a long
way to go with that. But but yeah, I mean
there's other teams that are now kind of surpassing the Chargers.
Not only are the Chiefs in their own division, but
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teams like the Colts and and I'm not gonna roll
out the Jacksonville Jaguars make a little bit of run. Houston.
Houston Texans are kind of finding themselves. You know, right now,
the Pittsburgh Steelers are all of a sudden looking like
they made be you know, get back to the playoffs.
The Buffalo Bills, heck, the New England Patriots are playing
good football right now. So the charges have to be careful.
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They can't let this thing take on more water than
it already has. They've got to get themselves straightened out
and figure out a path to win nine or ten games.
I'll get him into the playoffs, but they got to
They got to win those games, and they're they're squandering
a really great opportunity they created for themselves earlier this
season by just hitting a roadblock.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
All right, donn you in New York for the meeting?
So what should we expect to come out of it?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Yeah? I think you know, there's gonna be a little
bit of talk about the next Super Bowl and where
that might be. Las Vegas is kind of in the running,
or not the running, but the front runner for twenty
twenty nine Super Bowl sixty three. I would imagine if
there's gonna be a little bit of Tom Brady talk
with everything that's going on around him, with the duel,
you know, the dual roles as a minority owner of
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the Raiders and a box analyst. I'm sure they're gonna
be looking at some some rule type things as well.
And I'm looking forward to talking to Mark Davis. He
always talks at these meetings, and he didn't look happy yesterday.
I could definitely say that he hasn't been happy the
last couple of weeks. So, I mean, you look at
Mark Davis and it feels like, am I back at
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the drawing board once again? You know, I think that
they should stick with this and give it a real
chance at least Repete. You know, he's not going to
probably win a Super Bowl in his three years here,
but maybe he could get this, you know, to a
to a different plateau and hand it off to somebody else.
But right now, it looks further away right now than
it did this time last year. That's kind of a
shock to everybody system.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, all right, well, Vinnie, thank you, appreciate the update
as always, and enjoying New York An Park Avenue right now.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I'm a few blocks a few blocks away, and you
guys enjoy yourself with the World Series. Not quite sure
it would be opponent's going to be.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
But Jenny, we were talking about that real quick before
you go, Vinnie. We were talking about the greatest performance
of all time, and a lot of folks said that
about Show a tona. We said that that I can't
remember a better athletic performance than what he gave us
with ten strikeouts and three home runs against the Brewers.
Can you think of anything that.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Was better than that, I honestly can't. I know. I
think Bob Gibson had a game where he had ten
strikeouts and a couple of home runs, and it might
have been in a playoff game. Would have loved to
have seen that. Don Larson pitching a perfect game in
the World Series. But I mean when you combine, that's
like when you combine I mean three home runs, are
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you kidding me? And they weren't just home runs, they
were majestic moonshots, you know, the one that went out
of the stadium. I've seen a lot of home runs
a daughter stadium. I haven't personally seen that, at least
a right field. I think it's Dave Kingman hit it
out when I was when I was a little kid,
way back in the day. But yeah, no, I think
considering the stage you know, and what was at stake
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and clinching to go to the World Series. He's pitching
masterfully and just you know, owning dudes with the Milwaukee Birds,
and they couldn't get him out and everything that he
hit went to the moon. So, yeah, that was the greatest.
That was certainly baseball game that I've ever seen. Magic's
game in the quincher against the Philadelphia seventy six ers
as a rookie night there was twenty years old, forty
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two points, fifteen rebounds seven It said something like that,
that was a great game as well. But this thing
was just out of this world without questions.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
All right, Benny, thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
All right, you guys have a going.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Rodneyotani's the only pitcher to have ten or more strikeouts
and multiple home runs in the same playoff game ever. Ever,
in the same playoff game, I think that ranks pretty
high on the all time list.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Got to be honest with you, well, I mean, how
many people actually had the opportunity to do that. Can't
be more than a half full true. Yeah, we mentioned
Bob Gibson. Yeah, we forgot about Bob Gibson. He actually
hit He did hit Yeah, and the caller earlier, who,
by the way, brought up brick wise with the two
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home runs and the no hitter.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
If the context is gonna matter, that was in June.
It was a regular season game, not to diminish the feet,
not to diminish the feet. But oh, Tony did this
in the playoff game. Yeah, a clinching playoff game at.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That championship to win the Pennate. Mean, come on, there's
a difference. There's a difference. All right, Well, here's a question. Now,
we don't know who the Dodgers are going to play.
It's either going to be, obviously Toronto or Seattle. So
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the question becomes, who would you rather see them play?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Who would you rather? We're not no, we're not taking calls.
We're not doing that. We're gonna We're gonna decide it ourselves.
Who would you rather? And I'm gonna tell you the
danger in playing one of them?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Next?
Speaker 4 (30:58):
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Speaker 3 (31:16):
Come on, let's go, let's go. On a Monday.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
On the Monday, some happy, some sad. It's all good.
Dodgers in the World Series again again. Did we expect
anything less? I know people were worried, Freddy. People were
worried in July, they were worried in August. They were
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concerned about whether the Dodgers would get there again. But
if this playoffs have shown you anything is that, yes,
the season does matter, and you gotta get trained and
you gotta get your body right. And enough guys did
get enough playing time during the regular season to get
their body right to get ready for this time. But
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it is about October, and the way the Dodgers are
built is for October, with enough veteran guys that have
been there before know what it takes to get their
body right, so they are ready to go in October.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
And it's showing.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And this is the way the Dodgers were built and
why they were built this way. So let's get ready
for it and embrace it. And you know this is
you know, last year started it. But we're in the
middle of what could be, Freddie, a nice run, extremely
historic run for any professional sports team, especially the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Right, So can we stop right? Now with the well
they have all the money. Dylan hernanistrot a great piece
on this today.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Great piece.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, yeah he did. I saw that. Yeah it is.
It is whining by the other owners, by the way.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
It's enough, it really is. You know what, it's embarrassing
if you're an owner of another team and you start that.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Even't.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Pat Murphy, the manager of the Brewers, a couple of
times alluded to it. You gotta be ashamed of yourself.
You really should. I mean, what did he say? What
did he say? He said something about his pitching staff,
and you know one picture of this guy. You know
it's worth like four of mind. Okay, Well, if your
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guys with that guy, then they get paid more. Pat,
develop them, Pat, pretty simple and stop complaining. It is
now granted that series with the Brewers was a mauling.
Just they were mauled. And the Dodgers are healthy. That's
how they're built.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Done. I'm sorry, everybody's healthy. That bothers me.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
When a manager says that or another player says that,
that's in it. They know, they know the game, and
there's enough guys, and I've played long enough, there's enough
guys that are out there let's put it this way.
I'm trying to put it as neatly as I can.
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But there's there also a number of guys that get
paid way more than they should, right, And their number
one rule is you don't mess with a guy's money.
You don't talk about another guy's money on your team,
in your organization. You go get what you can get.
And if a guy is all of a sudden gets
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paid because one particular guy in the organization or the
GM decides that he's our guy for the future and
we want to bank on him Anthony Rendon, Right, I mean,
he had basically one really good season, they won the
World Series, got paid a fortune, right, is he better
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than First of all, he's not as healthy as any
guys in the league. But is he better than you know,
thirty percent of the third baseman in the league.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
No.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But still at the same time, you don't bag on
a guy for going to get his money. And so
to discuss, oh that guy's worth he's getting paid more,
you know, four times more than my guy. Well, next year,
your guy may get four times you know, more than
the next guy because he had a great year. So
just that whole conversation bothers me when it comes from
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within like that. And I like Pat Murphy, I do.
I thought he was great for them and the players
loved him. But make comments when you know about other
guys' money and contract negotiations and Fred you know this,
there are guys that get paid and you're like, how
did he get that?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
He did?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
How did he make that he did? That's how we
got it. You get what the market will bear pretty simple.
You you have a great agent, maybe you you know
the timing was right.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Maybe some it does.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
First of all, it doesn't always equate that the best
guys get all the money, because that's not always the case.
Look at the guys that are playing in these playoffs
and plays in every single playoffs. The guys that are
instrumental are some of the lowest paid guys in the league.
You know, Bolonco for the Mariners have been their MVP. Yeah,
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Kyle Rally's had a great year, but Boloncle's been incredible
for them. Is he the highest pay paid guy on
that payroll? No, No guys got traded. I mean it
just blows me away when I hear that from managers
and guys within. Oh they got all the money or
they getting paid. Those guys are getting paid, well, so
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would you if they offered you a contract like that,
you would get paid too.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Of course, you know, in business, it's not how much money.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
How many times do we have to say this, It's
not how much money you spend, it's how you spend
your money. You make the right decisions. Sometimes it miss
you kick it, but more often than that, you make
the right decision. Even if you have all the money,
you still have to make the right decisions. And if
you don't have all the money, you have to make
smarter decisions. If you can't do that, that's on you.
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That's on you. The whining has to stop.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And that's the stuff. Look, and we said it, right.
The Dodgers had a chance to sign one, so.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
A lot of people considered him, you know, worth the
money he got. Dodgers didn't had a chance to sign
Bryce Harper back in the day. They didn't, right, But
they did sign Mookie. They did sign Freddy. Atlanta had
a chance to sign Freddy. They decided they wanted to
go with Matt Olsen. You know, the Red Sox decided
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they didn't want to resign Mookie, so Okay, so Mookie
is available.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
He was available to everybody.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
You're gonna look at the padres Blake Snell. They could
have extended him, but they decided to extend musk Grove.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Guys like that.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yes, Blake Snell was a padre. Blake Snell was a giant.
What are we talking about. Stop saying that. Stop saying, Oh,
the Dodgers spend on the money. It's just a winer
loser mentality.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It really is. That's what losers do.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
By the way, I did find Pat Murphy's quote you
were talking about Fred So he says, Blake snow makes
more money than our entire pitching staff. That's for a reason,
because he's great. What he demonstrated the other night was
high end. It was unbelievable. That's great, and we can't
do anything about it.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
That his full quote.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
What he didn't have to say was he makes more
money than our whole pitching exactly exactly. That's the party
could have left out. He just could have said he
was great. That would have worked just fine. So now
you have Toronto or Seattle. I'd rather have him played
Seattle personally, because I think he'll kill him. I think
he'll beat Toronto. I think they'll just annihilate Seattle. Why
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do you think that? Why do you think they'll annihilate Seattle? Okay,
I don't think Seattle hits like the Blue Jays. I
think we just have a chance to hit against the Dodgers.
They won't, but they have a chance. I don't think Seattle.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
You don't like Seattle's lineup with with Suarez and Naylor
and rose Arena and Rodriguez, and I think they're very mediocre.
That lineup is mediocre.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
I think so. Dodger pitching, Yes.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
The regular season, they kind of were. To be honest,
they were not anything special. They they have had their
moments where they've gotten hot in the playoffs, but generally speaking,
they were they were kind of middle of the pack.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, and I think that's the Dodger pitchers will just
get killed, which is good for the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, but here's me.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Look, no way is denying that the Blue Jays got
hot the last month of the season. They went and
stole it from the Yankees really and and and won
that division. So you can't argue with how hot they got.
But don't don't don't take don't take anything away from
that Mariners lineup and the talent that they have on
that team. Now, okay, they're great. They should all get paid.
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They're gonna get killed if they get here.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yawn.
Speaker 6 (39:41):
Okay, don't be the kiss of death again, Fred saying no, Yeah,
I have missed yet this year. There's still say there's
still time.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
That's there's one.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
More say after the fact, say it under your breath,
say it to Kevin off air, and then we'll play it,
you know at the end when the Dodgers went it allay,
we'll record it off air.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yes, all right. Here's the other side of it, though.
Here's a problem, and this is a major concern. You know,
if the Blue Jays end up beating the Mariners tonight
and the Dodgers play the blue Jays, there's going to
be an international incident.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Are we aware of that?
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Will we remember? We don't remember? Oh?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
You know how much those people and they're absolutely wrong.
All of them are wrong. Hate Otani. They hate him
with a passion. Oh he had a chance to go there, Well,
now that's my point.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (40:41):
There was the infamous story about we are tracking a
plane with Otani landing in Toronto and they had helicopters
flying around. When the plane landed and the door opened
and he didn't walk off, and I think he was
still in Orange County.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, signing with the Dodgers. They got cocky thinking that
they could do that because they did it. Remember they
did it with Kawhi Leonard. He's on the plane, Kawhi
Leonard's coming to Toronto and o'tani Drake sent the plane right.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Right, And o'tani said afterwards, I don't know why people
thought I was on that plane. I was not on
the plane. I was not going to Toronto, never going
on that plane, right. I was not going on that plane.
But it doesn't matter because it had been so wildly reported,
and I think it was a Saturday, people believed, oh
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my god, he's going to Toronto.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
He was not on the plane.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
But the people there don't remember that part of it.
They just think he stiffed them.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
He stiffed them.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
That is going to be a problem. That is going
to be a major issue.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
You think that that. Oh, I think they. I think
they despise him. I think they feel that they weren't
good enough for him, and I think they're gonna let
him hear it and when he launches it out of
that place a couple of times, that'll shut him up.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
I'll say this. Despite the playing story, we do know,
and it's widely reported, they offered him the exact same
contract the Dodgers offered, so he most definitely spurned them.
The whole play thing was made up. Whatever you want
to call it. It was bad reporting. JP Morosi owned that.
But they offered the seven hundred million dollar contract, the
exact same one that the Dodgers offered.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
You wanted to be by the beach. What's the problem, Well,
you know what? Why why you got to dog a
guy out because he wanted to be by the beach
because he wanted to be in southern California?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Is that a crime? You don't like Canada? I love?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That's what they're gonna say, though, Tani, you know like us?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Oh that's what they sure. We're not good enough for you.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
We're not good enough for you, and we're gonna show you.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
I want Toronto to win. Just all the doctors can
play if they not like us, on a loop every
time that Toronto's out there, warm enough, that's what I want.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Oh my god, what if Kendrick Lamar opens up the
series at Dodger Stadium. When they come back here.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
He has to write, has to. I mean they had
ice Cube last year.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
California, New York rivalry, old thing California, right, he has
to the whole lad Drake is in hiding right now.
I think he's in witness protection programs or something like that.
If Toronto wins, because he's not gonna come out, that
would be a great deal. Drake does it for Toronto
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and Kendrick comes out for.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Hey, come on, let's go.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
So Bob Nightingale is gonna join us next from USA.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Today. We'll talk some baseball.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
But I've just received information I'm not exaggerating about who
is going to win the game tonight between Seattle and Toronto.
And when I tell you where this information came from,
we'll decide if it's just that's it, this is correct,
that's next.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
M
And we continue on Fred Rogan and Rodney peaked on
a five to seventy LA Sports. It is a three
hour program for us today. Hard to believe we actually
work three hours, but we will because with baseball we're
flexed all over the place. And that being the case,
we've got the World Series start times. Bill Plunket our
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buddy reported it. All World Series games, regardless of location,
We'll start at five pm Pacific, that is eight pm
Eastern time. So what does that mean for us? That
means the pregame show will go on at four, That's
what it means, the pregame show at four. We'll have
the game at five, and that means we will move.
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I don't know exactly where we're gonna move to yet
or for how long we'll move. I mean we could
be on nine to noon, we could be on eleven
to one. I'm not sure one will be on. But
that is the schedule. And again, if Toronto wins, Games
one and two are in Toronto Friday Saturday, Dodger Stadium Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
But don't we know we're not going to be on
noon to three for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yes we know that, we know that, but that doesn't
mean we won't be one to two, but it won't
be noon to three, correct. It could be eleven to one,
could be, but we won't be on till three. That's correct.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
So if you're driving or you're like, oh, I'm going
to catch the last hour of Rogan and Rodney from
two to three, we're not going to be on.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
We will not be on.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
No, we might be on nine to noon, yes, could be,
there could be, but will beyond. We just don't know
where we'll be on. But in any event, all the
games are at five. If Seattle wins Games one and
two at Dodgers Stadium Friday Saturday, up to Seattle for
the middle of the week, back the weekend for game
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six and seven, and there is a game on Halloween night.
Oh very spooky, very very spooky. I want you to
think about something. And this guy takes an awful lot
of crap, an awful lot of crap, and he gets
it on this show, by the way, he doesn't get
it from the two of us, but he gets a
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lot of crap win or lose, he gets it win
the World series. People call and go, yeah, but I
want to talk about a decision he made seven years ago.
You know, if he'd only done this differently, lose a game,
God forbid, well, then he's been a bum all the
way through. But has he been a bum all the
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way through? I don't think so, Dave Roberts?
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Do you know?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Do you know if the Dodgers win the World Series,
he will have been the manager for three of them?
Walter Alston won four. I'my losorda one two, and it
is safe to say that, even if it doesn't happen
this year, Dave Roberts is going to win at least three,
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and if you want to go a step further, there
is a very good possibility he will win more than
Walter Alston. But when you look at the Dodger managers
of you listening, of course you think the guy's a bum.
His record speaks for itself. But of course everybody says
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fire him. But you know there's a chance he will
be the winningest manager in Dodger history. Rodney, Does he
get the credit he deserves?
Speaker 3 (03:40):
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But I know he doesn't. I know it's not even close.
And I'll be quite honest with you at this point,
maybe the question is why.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
That's the question.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
First of all, I know he doesn't care, So that's
that straight. And I know the players that he coaches
doesn't care. They know who he is and they know
what he's done. And you mentioned that, Yeah, this will
be his third championship. But let's not forget they they
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went to two other ones too, you know, unfortunately lost
to Boston. They unfortunately lost to the cheat n Astros
as well. He was the manager. So this will this
is his what fifth World Series as manager of the Dodgers. Fifth,
this is his fifth World Series as manager of the Dodgers.
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Let that sink in five World Series. He's taking this
team too. And before you go to, oh, anybody could
have done it, no, they couldn't have. Know they couldn't
have it. Takes a certain level and certain level of personality,
psyche coaching, managering, all of those things to get a
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group like the is to play together and to play
together at the right time.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
So stop.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
You also understand it is very difficult to manage the Dodgers.
And I don't care what the roster is at a
given point in time. You know, Walter Alston was very reserved, understated,
signed a contract every year, happy to be there. Good players,
nice chemistry, good culture.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Walter Elston won four.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Then we have Tommy Lesorda, who I think, by all
accounts was probably the most beloved Dodger manager. Flamboyant, outspoken,
fun an entertainer. People loved him. He had a different
approach of Walter Alston. And I think, really Lasorda, when
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you think a great Dodger manager, you think Lasorda because
his personality was enormous, and.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
I think you would gain you know, up until you
know obviously, now, if you were they ranked the top
Dodger managers, Losordo would be at the top, right with
most fans, Dodger fans, I would say, yeah, yeah, what
happens that if the Dodgers win it this year?
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Well that's my point.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Yeah, listen, I'll tell you what it was. Say, well, well,
they had all the talent. That's why he should have
won all those which people say all the time, he
should have won, The Dodgers should win. It's like people said,
excuse me, well they should go one hundred and sixty
two and oh and they should win it all. Why
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are you giving Roberts the credit? Because they had all
the talent. People didn't believe that in late August early
September that the Dodgers were going to go and just
roll and win the World Series.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
There's still decisions to be made.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
So when Lesta won the World Series, it's because that
year he had all the talent. When Walter Alston won
four World.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Service, no, it's because Lasorda was a brilliant manager, because
they had talent. Oh had you know Walter Hauston was
a brilliant manager, not because he had talent. So you know,
you can't you can't put it on the manager when
you got that much talent, unless the manager's Tom of
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the Sorda or David or Walter Alston. Then it's the
manager's decisions.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
You have to You have to keep this in mind
how important it is to hire the right people in
any business. I go back to when Goggenheim took over,
Andrew Friedman was a huge fan of Gabe Kapler really
wanted Gab to be the manager. Now, Mark Walter is
going to have a final call on that, and I'm
sure Stan Caston was in the room as well.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Well.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Mark Walter met Gabe Capler, very capable guy. Has managed
in the Bigs, ran the Dodger minor League system gets it, understands.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
But Mark Walter wasn't feeling it. Just wasn't feeling it.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Doesn't mean Gabe's bad wrong, it just wasn't feeling it.
When Dave Roberts walked in, he was feeling it.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
He felt it. That was the guy.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
And it turns out that that hire, that guy became
the face of the franchise. That guy was the guy
that was always front and center. He was representing the franchise.
That's how important hiring the right guy is. When the
Rams hired Sean McVay, obviously he can coach football, but
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he can't command the room, any room. Dave Roberts can't
command any room. His comment, his comment, I'm fry, was
the best comment I think I've heard fifteen years. You know,
before the season, they said, the Dodgers are ruining baseball.
Let's win four more and really ruin it the best.
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That's the guy I want on my team. That's the
guy I want leading my team. Just staring him right
in the eye, just look at him right in the
eye and going, yet, okay, we're ruining baseball. We're really
ruining for you this year. You're welcome everybody, Thank you
and good night. That's the kind of guy you want.
You need a guy that knows more than when to bunt,
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and that's who they hired in Dave Roberts. Charming, personable, charismatic,
commands any room, remembers everybody's name. Players love him because
he's a good person. That's who you want to manage
your team. That's why he's been successful. Even though sorta
big personality commanded the room, people loved him. He remembered
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your name, and if he didn't eat act like he did,
nonetheless people loved them. He had that kind of personality.
Dave's got that kind of personality. That's why I think,
on a separate note, I think JJ Reddick it's good
they signed him to that extension because he's not that
kind of guy. And when the Dodger people take over,
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they're going to look at everything. Every decision matters. There
is a reason for everything you do. You can find
a guy that's a very good baseball strategist, but in
Los Angeles that position requires more, and Dave Roberts is more.
That's why he's been successful. How can you argue if
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he wins again?
Speaker 3 (10:43):
How can you argue if he keeps.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Winning well, people will Fred, What are you talking about?
They have the best team. It's they got the best
pitching staff, they got the best players. I can manage
that team. That's the narrative that's gonna happen. Dave's not
gonna get any credit. He's not gonna get a credit
for the Dodgers winning this World Series?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It is they have the best team. It's like they
said before the season, they got the best team. They
went out and got the best pitching staff. How do
you not win? That's not Dave Roberts. That's that's Andrew Friedman.
That's that's who they say. That's that's Mark Walters and Gougenheim.
They have more money than everybody else.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
You're supposed to.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Win when you have that kind of money and that
kind of team.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Are you kidding? You don't have to play the game.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
You just you just like close your eyes and and
and pick out the lineup on a regular basis, and
you should win. That's all Dave Roberts does. Come on,
d you know that?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
So, using that as the template, if the manager of
the A's was the manager of the Dodgers and Dave
Roberts was the manager of the A's.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
And it's Mark Cotte.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
I think as a manager of the A's, I can
assure you, as the manager of the A's, Dave Roberts
would not have won three World Series. I can assure
you that. I can also assure you, nor would Mark
Cott say if he was the manager of the Dodgers.
So given this group, this talent, that means not anybody
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can manage well, anybody can manage in Oakland or now
wherever they're at Sacramento, because you know what's gonna happen there.
We don't expect much. It's kind of like running a
TV station in a small market. You know what they
tell the boss, Just don't lose money. Yeah, that's kind
of the expectation.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Just don't lose money.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
You're okay, Hey.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
You know you're the manager of the A's. Let's get
everybody to the game on time. See if we can
teach him, build little culture. Get out there, guys, give
it your best shot. We know we got no chance.
We know that it's like Bud.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Black and losses.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
Wins and losses are not the most important thing, is
that what you're saying, Fred.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Oh, they are but you have a realistic understanding of
what you can accomplish. Wins and losses are the most
important thing unless you know you're gonna lose more than
you're gonna win, or it's gonna be close. I mean
in Colorado, Bud Black, But that was just I mean.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
That was cruel. That was what How did that happen?
Speaker 1 (13:32):
If you're the manager of the Angels, you pretty much
know what's gonna happen before you start. You know, everybody
play hard, Let's get as many as we can. We're
not kidding anybody here. No, they don't have the talent
of the Dodgers, so there is more expected. But I
have to tell you there and there are some very
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good managers major League Baseball. Terry Francona is a green manager,
A J. Hinch we all hate. He's a pretty good manager,
be honest with you. Pretty good manager. But I don't
know if they could do what Dave Roberts has done
with the Dodgers. And I know for sure they couldn't
be the kind of face of the franchise he's been
that I know one hundred percent. So as we continue
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this journey, if he wins this one, that's three. He's
one ahead of le sorta, one behind Alston. There's no
reason to think things are gonna fall apart after this season.
No matter what happens, he doesn't have a chance to
go down as the winningest manager in Dodger history. All right,
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what happened to the Chargers? Are they done? Who are they?
Who are they? Because when they started, you thought, my god,
they can go to the super Bowl? Nothing go to
uh beal Ario in Woodland Hills. We'll talk about that next.
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Speaker 3 (15:26):
Is all the way up, all the way up.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Let's go, Rodney, Pete Fred Rogan on a Monday, Big
Big Sports weekend Monday lot to get to come on, Freddy.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
All right, Rodney, Uh, let's get some NFL in and
man Bennie Bond signor is currently in New York at
the NFL Owners meetings, and Bennie jumps on, now, Bennie,
how are.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
You doing a lot better than the Raiders are doing?
That's for darn shure.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
You know, I was gonna try to bury that, to
be honest with you, I didn't want to. I didn't
want to put you in a bad mood when he started.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
There's no burying what happened yesterday in Kansas City. It
was belt to you know what. And I think it
was a wake up call to the Raiders on kind
of where they are right now, and for Pete Carroll
to understand how big of a task this is in
Las Vegas to get this thing turned around.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
They are called wake up call.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Man.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Any wake up call happened three weeks ago. I mean,
what did they need a wake up call for when
they've been basically struggling most of the season.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
Yeah, you know, you know how optimistic feat is. And uh,
And I think that he thought that this thing was
further along than what it is. And I think that's
the wake up call or the reality check, whatever you
want to call it to him and the organization that
that this thing is is much further Uh. You know,
further away from where he wanted to be, then closer
to where he wanted to be, And they didn't even
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they were on the same planet as a Chiefs for yesterday.
And granted the Raiders had some injuries blocked by Khoe Myers,
but you know, if they were in that game, it
would have been you know, a far maybe not a
thirty one point victory for the Chiefs, but there was
no way that the Raiders were going to win that game.
And to be honest with you, Andy Reid, did Pete
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Carroll lethalon He pulled all the starters and just started
running in the middle of the lion of scimmage from
the end of the third quarter to the rest of
the game. He's kind of showing them a little bit
of respect because if they had kept the starters out there,
the thing might have been a sixty point win for
the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Maybe they're awful, that's the problem. I mean, they just
look really bad.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Injuries aside, This is not indicative of a Pete Carroll team.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Thirty first downs for the Chiefs, three for the Raiders.
The Chiefs had more first downs than the Raiders had plays,
they had more points than the Raid almost more points
than the Raiders had yardage full yardage. There was a
point in the game in the third quarter where it
was where it was more points than yards for the
Chiefs than the Raiders. So when you start it was
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a historically bad game. I mean, there were they set
records for ineptness. And I'm not quite sure where the
Raiders go from here. They're on their bye week, They'll
get some of their players back, but it doesn't change
the fundamental challenges that faces them and obstacles that face them.
They just don't have a very good roster right now.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Yeah, so what do you Where do you go? Vinny?
Speaker 2 (18:20):
I know you're saying that, but where can you Can
you point to one thing? Defensive line is I know
Genal Smith has struggled till far this season, but there's
a reason why he's struggling as well. What can you
what can they hang their hat on one or two
aspects of their team to go? If we just improved
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this a little bit, we'll be Okay.
Speaker 5 (18:46):
That's a that's a really good questions.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
That's my answer.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Let's start with what's working. Boss Bowers is a really
good tight end. Max Cross is a really good defensive end.
Nash and Gent's already a really good running back. But
about it and everything else is needs a lot of work.
They're either young or inexperienced, 're just not very good,
or they're injured in some cases. So it's just a
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bad mix right now. And I think again, everyone's kind
of realizing that that this roster had a long way
to go. And I don't know that's Heat necessarily signed
up for that, but that's what he signed up for ultimately.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Okay, Viny by the way, who's yelling in the background, you.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Know how he gets in New York. So it's one
of those It's one of those situations. But we love it.
We love it here on the East Coast, all right.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
So now now let's talk about the Rams. Matthew Stafford
had a very good game. So are the Rams out
much better than Jacksonville? Or is Jacksonville not very good?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
I think Jacksonville. Yeah, No, they're they're They're that much
better than Jacksonville. Without questioning. I think the Rams are good.
I think you know, when you look at some of
the Rams losses, they can look at themselves right in
the mirror and say, we're kind of the reason why
those games weren't victories. You know, the fumble at the
at the at the end zone to get to build
up the Eagles, a missed field goal, block field goal.
You know, the Rams have only themselves to blame in
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their losses, and I think you just clean that up
and keep that clean, then they're going to be in
every single game and win a bunch of games. So
I think I still think that they are a Super
Bowl contender and as long as they can play clean football,
they're going to be in that mix without without questions.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Do you think Matthew Stafford gets enough credit, Vinnie? Because everybody,
you know, everybody throws out different quarterbacks around the league,
but week in and week out, he does different things
that impress you and just go, why is this guy
not talked about of at least the guys playing as
the top two to three quarterback that's playing right now.
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It just seems that he doesn't get the respect that
he deserves.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, And I think a lot of it has to
do with the team and the organization that he played
with previously. You know, his time in Detroit preceded as
Brat Holmes and the great coach that they have there.
And the great team that they have there, it was
an uphill struggle for them. He lost a lot of games.
He's one of the losing his quarterbacks, of the of
the great starting quarterbacks in this league, probably of all time.
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I'd have to look at those numbers. But I think
that stigma probably still carries with him a little bit,
and he just hasn't had a whole lot of chances
to show the world how good of a player he
is in in playoff settings. When he did, they went
went to the Super Bowl. And last year, you know,
the loss to the to the to the Eagles wasn't
necessarily on him. So I just think he needs more
stages like that. I know he's getting to the end
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of his career, but he's got that with the Rams
and for him to really, you know, put himself into
that kind of conversation. He doesn't have a whole lot
of time left to do that. But if he could
get to another Super Bowl, maybe win another Super Bowl,
I think people are going to be looking at him
a little bit differently because he is really good.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
All right, Let's go to the Chargers and boy, what
a promising start, and now just what a what an
egg they've played Benny.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
Yeah, I mean one thing, you know, they're her. But
I'll tell you this. I saw the Colts a couple
of weeks ago, and they put a whooping on the Raiders.
That's a really good football team. It's a very balanced
football team. They've got a really good defense, they've got
a great running game, they've got really good skill players,
and they've got a quarterback that has meshed perfectly with
Shane Sniken, you know, the offensive coordinator, slat head coach
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of the Colts. It's just they're hitting on all cylinders.
And you know it, Just Rodney, you know this more
than anybody. Situations matter in life, especially in sports. You know,
Daniel Jones looked like a mediocre quarterback with the New
York Giants. He looked like a guy that was going
to be destined to be a backup quarterback for the
rest of his life. In the New York Giants situation
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with bad players around him, you know, maybe some things
that just weren't fitting, pieces that just weren't fitting. He
comes to the Annapolis Colts, which was kind of a
ready set made situation for a good quarterback. They tried
Anthony Richardson, he wasn't able to stay on the field
and be helping. He just quite honestly, wasn't very good
when he was in there. They handed to Daniel Jones
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and the experienced quarterback who kind of knows how to
how to manage a situation like this, and he's managing
it beautifully. So as bad as the Chargers looked yesterday,
and they did, and they they've kind of fallen on
hard times obviously after that promising start, a lot of
credit goes to the Colt as well. Now where the
Chargers go from here, I'm not quite sure because the
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team that I saw in Kansas City yesterday take away
the Raiders. The Raiders were beyond They were epically bad.
But even if they were good, that would have been
a tough game to win because the Chiefs are really good.
They've you know, they've added now the element of athleticism.
It's not just the defense, which has always been really good.
And Patrick Mahomes and Travis Travis Kelsey they've got they've
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got really good wide receivers now, really good speed on
that team, athletic ability. They could probably do a little
bit more at running back, but it's enough and combined
with the defense with Patrick Mahomes who's now throwing the
ball downfield, they could catch you to death like they
did with the Raiders. They had a sixteen play drive,
a seventeen play drive and I haven't played drive that
went for over ninety twice and over eighty one. It's
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just a machine. And so Pete Carroll said yesterday, good
luck to anybody that's getting ready to play the Chiefs
because they're starting to round that corner and I'm not
going to put it past them to be the best
keep in the AFC again this year.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
And Daniel Jones, I mean going back to the coach thing,
which you said, yeah it is. Everybody wants to bang
on quarterbacks and they didn't. You know, this guy's a
bus or this guy's not. It definitely, more so than
any other position in any other sport, the quarterback has
to be in the right situation for him to thrive
because you depend on so many other elements in order
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for you to be successful. I don't care who you are.
And Daniel Jones walked into the perfect situation, a young
offensive coach that was building a team around the quarterback
that didn't necessarily work so you get the right quarterback
in there, and all of a sudden, people are like, Wow,
this is the way it's supposed to be. And Daniel
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Jones is a recipient of that benefit. So I'm happy
for him. And I don't think it's a surprise to
Colts people and within that building that they're playing as well.
But as far as the Chargers go, Vinnie, I don't know,
coming off that first win against the chief you thought
that they were going to take the next level and
take the next step, and here we are that I
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don't know if they make the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Yeah, and that's the thing. And you know they didn't
get any help from the Giants est today for blow
in that game to get the Denver Broncos or else
that you know, it would have it would have positioned
them better in the AFC West. There is a long
way to go with that. But but yeah, I mean
there's other teams that are now kind of surpassing the Chargers.
Not only are the Chiefs in their own division, but
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teams like the Colts and and I'm not gonna roll
out the Jacksonville Jaguars make a little bit of run. Houston.
Houston Texans are kind of finding themselves. You know, right now,
the Pittsburgh Steelers are all of a sudden looking like
they made be you know, get back to the playoffs.
The Buffalo Bills, heck, the New England Patriots are playing
good football right now. So the charges have to be careful.
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They can't let this thing take on more water than
it already has. They've got to get themselves straightened out
and figure out a path to win nine or ten games.
I'll get him into the playoffs, but they got to
They got to win those games, and they're they're squandering
a really great opportunity they created for themselves earlier this
season by just hitting a roadblock.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
All right, donn you in New York for the meeting?
So what should we expect to come out of it?
Speaker 5 (26:32):
Yeah? I think you know, there's gonna be a little
bit of talk about the next Super Bowl and where
that might be. Las Vegas is kind of in the running,
or not the running, but the front runner for twenty
twenty nine Super Bowl sixty three. I would imagine if
there's gonna be a little bit of Tom Brady talk
with everything that's going on around him, with the duel,
you know, the dual roles as a minority owner of
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the Raiders and a box analyst. I'm sure they're gonna
be looking at some some rule type things as well.
And I'm looking forward to talking to Mark Davis. He
always talks at these meetings, and he didn't look happy yesterday.
I could definitely say that he hasn't been happy the
last couple of weeks. So, I mean, you look at
Mark Davis and it feels like, am I back at
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the drawing board once again? You know, I think that
they should stick with this and give it a real
chance at least Repete. You know, he's not going to
probably win a Super Bowl in his three years here,
but maybe he could get this, you know, to a
to a different plateau and hand it off to somebody else.
But right now, it looks further away right now than
it did this time last year. That's kind of a
shock to everybody system.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Yeah, all right, well, Vinnie, thank you, appreciate the update
as always, and enjoying New York An Park Avenue right now.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
I'm a few blocks a few blocks away, and you
guys enjoy yourself with the World Series. Not quite sure
it would be opponent's going to be.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
But Jenny, we were talking about that real quick before
you go, Vinnie. We were talking about the greatest performance
of all time, and a lot of folks said that
about Show a tona. We said that that I can't
remember a better athletic performance than what he gave us
with ten strikeouts and three home runs against the Brewers.
Can you think of anything that.
Speaker 5 (28:13):
Was better than that, I honestly can't. I know. I
think Bob Gibson had a game where he had ten
strikeouts and a couple of home runs, and it might
have been in a playoff game. Would have loved to
have seen that. Don Larson pitching a perfect game in
the World Series. But I mean when you combine, that's
like when you combine I mean three home runs, are
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you kidding me? And they weren't just home runs, they
were majestic moonshots, you know, the one that went out
of the stadium. I've seen a lot of home runs
a daughter stadium. I haven't personally seen that, at least
a right field. I think it's Dave Kingman hit it
out when I was when I was a little kid,
way back in the day. But yeah, no, I think
considering the stage you know, and what was at stake
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and clinching to go to the World Series. He's pitching
masterfully and just you know, owning dudes with the Milwaukee Birds,
and they couldn't get him out and everything that he
hit went to the moon. So, yeah, that was the greatest.
That was certainly baseball game that I've ever seen. Magic's
game in the quincher against the Philadelphia seventy six ers
as a rookie night there was twenty years old, forty
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two points, fifteen rebounds seven It said something like that,
that was a great game as well. But this thing
was just out of this world without questions.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
All right, Benny, thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
All right, you guys have a going.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
Rodneyotani's the only pitcher to have ten or more strikeouts
and multiple home runs in the same playoff game ever. Ever,
in the same playoff game, I think that ranks pretty
high on the all time list.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Got to be honest with you, well, I mean, how
many people actually had the opportunity to do that. Can't
be more than a half full true. Yeah, we mentioned
Bob Gibson. Yeah, we forgot about Bob Gibson. He actually
hit He did hit Yeah, and the caller earlier, who,
by the way, brought up brick wise with the two
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home runs and the no hitter.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
If the context is gonna matter, that was in June.
It was a regular season game, not to diminish the feet,
not to diminish the feet. But oh, Tony did this
in the playoff game. Yeah, a clinching playoff game at.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
That championship to win the Pennate. Mean, come on, there's
a difference. There's a difference. All right, Well, here's a question. Now,
we don't know who the Dodgers are going to play.
It's either going to be, obviously Toronto or Seattle. So
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the question becomes, who would you rather see them play?
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Who would you rather? We're not no, we're not taking calls.
We're not doing that. We're gonna We're gonna decide it ourselves.
Who would you rather? And I'm gonna tell you the
danger in playing one of them?
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Next?
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Speaker 3 (31:16):
Come on, let's go, let's go. On a Monday.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
On the Monday, some happy, some sad. It's all good.
Dodgers in the World Series again again. Did we expect
anything less? I know people were worried, Freddy. People were
worried in July, they were worried in August. They were
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concerned about whether the Dodgers would get there again. But
if this playoffs have shown you anything is that, yes,
the season does matter, and you gotta get trained and
you gotta get your body right. And enough guys did
get enough playing time during the regular season to get
their body right to get ready for this time. But
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it is about October, and the way the Dodgers are
built is for October, with enough veteran guys that have
been there before know what it takes to get their
body right, so they are ready to go in October.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
And it's showing.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And this is the way the Dodgers were built and
why they were built this way. So let's get ready
for it and embrace it. And you know this is
you know, last year started it. But we're in the
middle of what could be, Freddie, a nice run, extremely
historic run for any professional sports team, especially the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Right, So can we stop right? Now with the well
they have all the money. Dylan hernanistrot a great piece
on this today.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Great piece.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, yeah he did. I saw that. Yeah it is.
It is whining by the other owners, by the way.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
It's enough, it really is. You know what, it's embarrassing
if you're an owner of another team and you start that.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
Even't.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Pat Murphy, the manager of the Brewers, a couple of
times alluded to it. You gotta be ashamed of yourself.
You really should. I mean, what did he say? What
did he say? He said something about his pitching staff,
and you know one picture of this guy. You know
it's worth like four of mind. Okay, Well, if your
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guys with that guy, then they get paid more. Pat,
develop them, Pat, pretty simple and stop complaining. It is
now granted that series with the Brewers was a mauling.
Just they were mauled. And the Dodgers are healthy. That's
how they're built.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Done. I'm sorry, everybody's healthy. That bothers me.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
When a manager says that or another player says that,
that's in it. They know, they know the game, and
there's enough guys, and I've played long enough, there's enough
guys that are out there let's put it this way.
I'm trying to put it as neatly as I can.
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But there's there also a number of guys that get
paid way more than they should, right, And their number
one rule is you don't mess with a guy's money.
You don't talk about another guy's money on your team,
in your organization. You go get what you can get.
And if a guy is all of a sudden gets
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paid because one particular guy in the organization or the
GM decides that he's our guy for the future and
we want to bank on him Anthony Rendon, Right, I mean,
he had basically one really good season, they won the
World Series, got paid a fortune, right, is he better
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than First of all, he's not as healthy as any
guys in the league. But is he better than you know,
thirty percent of the third baseman in the league.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
No.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
But still at the same time, you don't bag on
a guy for going to get his money. And so
to discuss, oh that guy's worth he's getting paid more,
you know, four times more than my guy. Well, next year,
your guy may get four times you know, more than
the next guy because he had a great year. So
just that whole conversation bothers me when it comes from
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within like that. And I like Pat Murphy, I do.
I thought he was great for them and the players
loved him. But make comments when you know about other
guys' money and contract negotiations and Fred you know this,
there are guys that get paid and you're like, how
did he get that?
Speaker 3 (35:28):
He did?
Speaker 1 (35:29):
How did he make that he did? That's how we
got it. You get what the market will bear pretty simple.
You you have a great agent, maybe you you know
the timing was right.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Maybe some it does.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
First of all, it doesn't always equate that the best
guys get all the money, because that's not always the case.
Look at the guys that are playing in these playoffs
and plays in every single playoffs. The guys that are
instrumental are some of the lowest paid guys in the league.
You know, Bolonco for the Mariners have been their MVP. Yeah,
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Kyle Rally's had a great year, but Boloncle's been incredible
for them. Is he the highest pay paid guy on
that payroll? No, No guys got traded. I mean it
just blows me away when I hear that from managers
and guys within. Oh they got all the money or
they getting paid. Those guys are getting paid, well, so
(36:25):
would you if they offered you a contract like that,
you would get paid too.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Of course, you know, in business, it's not how much money.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
How many times do we have to say this, It's
not how much money you spend, it's how you spend
your money. You make the right decisions. Sometimes it miss
you kick it, but more often than that, you make
the right decision. Even if you have all the money,
you still have to make the right decisions. And if
you don't have all the money, you have to make
smarter decisions. If you can't do that, that's on you.
(36:53):
That's on you. The whining has to stop.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
And that's the stuff. Look, and we said it, right.
The Dodgers had a chance to sign one, so.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
They didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
A lot of people considered him, you know, worth the
money he got. Dodgers didn't had a chance to sign
Bryce Harper back in the day. They didn't, right, But
they did sign Mookie. They did sign Freddy. Atlanta had
a chance to sign Freddy. They decided they wanted to
go with Matt Olsen. You know, the Red Sox decided
(37:27):
they didn't want to resign Mookie, so Okay, so Mookie
is available.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
He was available to everybody.
Speaker 6 (37:34):
You're gonna look at the padres Blake Snell. They could
have extended him, but they decided to extend musk Grove.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Guys like that.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Yes, Blake Snell was a padre. Blake Snell was a giant.
What are we talking about. Stop saying that. Stop saying, Oh,
the Dodgers spend on the money. It's just a winer
loser mentality.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
It really is. That's what losers do.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
By the way, I did find Pat Murphy's quote you
were talking about Fred So he says, Blake snow makes
more money than our entire pitching staff. That's for a reason,
because he's great. What he demonstrated the other night was
high end. It was unbelievable. That's great, and we can't
do anything about it.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
That his full quote.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
What he didn't have to say was he makes more
money than our whole pitching exactly exactly. That's the party
could have left out. He just could have said he
was great. That would have worked just fine. So now
you have Toronto or Seattle. I'd rather have him played
Seattle personally, because I think he'll kill him. I think
he'll beat Toronto. I think they'll just annihilate Seattle. Why
(38:34):
do you think that? Why do you think they'll annihilate Seattle? Okay,
I don't think Seattle hits like the Blue Jays. I
think we just have a chance to hit against the Dodgers.
They won't, but they have a chance. I don't think Seattle.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
You don't like Seattle's lineup with with Suarez and Naylor
and rose Arena and Rodriguez, and I think they're very mediocre.
That lineup is mediocre.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
I think so. Dodger pitching, Yes.
Speaker 6 (38:59):
The regular season, they kind of were. To be honest,
they were not anything special. They they have had their
moments where they've gotten hot in the playoffs, but generally speaking,
they were they were kind of middle of the pack.
Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yeah, and I think that's the Dodger pitchers will just
get killed, which is good for the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Yeah, but here's me.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
Look, no way is denying that the Blue Jays got
hot the last month of the season. They went and
stole it from the Yankees really and and and won
that division. So you can't argue with how hot they got.
But don't don't don't take don't take anything away from
that Mariners lineup and the talent that they have on
that team. Now, okay, they're great. They should all get paid.
(39:37):
They're gonna get killed if they get here.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Yawn.
Speaker 6 (39:41):
Okay, don't be the kiss of death again, Fred saying no, Yeah,
I have missed yet this year. There's still say there's
still time.
Speaker 3 (39:48):
That's there's one.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
More say after the fact, say it under your breath,
say it to Kevin off air, and then we'll play it,
you know at the end when the Dodgers went it allay,
we'll record it off air.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Yes, all right. Here's the other side of it, though.
Here's a problem, and this is a major concern. You know,
if the Blue Jays end up beating the Mariners tonight
and the Dodgers play the blue Jays, there's going to
be an international incident.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Are we aware of that?
Speaker 3 (40:15):
Will we remember? We don't remember? Oh?
Speaker 1 (40:20):
You know how much those people and they're absolutely wrong.
All of them are wrong. Hate Otani. They hate him
with a passion. Oh he had a chance to go there, Well,
now that's my point.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Did he?
Speaker 1 (40:41):
There was the infamous story about we are tracking a
plane with Otani landing in Toronto and they had helicopters
flying around. When the plane landed and the door opened
and he didn't walk off, and I think he was
still in Orange County.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
Yeah, signing with the Dodgers. They got cocky thinking that
they could do that because they did it. Remember they
did it with Kawhi Leonard. He's on the plane, Kawhi
Leonard's coming to Toronto and o'tani Drake sent the plane right.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Right, And o'tani said afterwards, I don't know why people
thought I was on that plane. I was not on
the plane. I was not going to Toronto, never going
on that plane, right. I was not going on that plane.
But it doesn't matter because it had been so wildly reported,
and I think it was a Saturday, people believed, oh
(41:37):
my god, he's going to Toronto.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
He was not on the plane.
Speaker 1 (41:41):
But the people there don't remember that part of it.
They just think he stiffed them.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
He stiffed them.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
That is going to be a problem. That is going
to be a major issue.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
You think that that. Oh, I think they. I think
they despise him. I think they feel that they weren't
good enough for him, and I think they're gonna let
him hear it and when he launches it out of
that place a couple of times, that'll shut him up.
Speaker 6 (42:14):
I'll say this. Despite the playing story, we do know,
and it's widely reported, they offered him the exact same
contract the Dodgers offered, so he most definitely spurned them.
The whole play thing was made up. Whatever you want
to call it. It was bad reporting. JP Morosi owned that.
But they offered the seven hundred million dollar contract, the
exact same one that the Dodgers offered.
Speaker 1 (42:34):
You wanted to be by the beach. What's the problem, Well,
you know what? Why why you got to dog a
guy out because he wanted to be by the beach
because he wanted to be in southern California?
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Is that a crime? You don't like Canada? I love?
Speaker 2 (42:50):
That's what they're gonna say, though, Tani, you know like us?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Oh that's what they sure. We're not good enough for you.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
We're not good enough for you, and we're gonna show you.
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
I want Toronto to win. Just all the doctors can
play if they not like us, on a loop every
time that Toronto's out there, warm enough, that's what I want.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Oh my god, what if Kendrick Lamar opens up the
series at Dodger Stadium. When they come back here.
Speaker 3 (43:12):
He has to write, has to. I mean they had
ice Cube last year.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
California, New York rivalry, old thing California, right, he has
to the whole lad Drake is in hiding right now.
I think he's in witness protection programs or something like that.
If Toronto wins, because he's not gonna come out, that
would be a great deal. Drake does it for Toronto
(43:39):
and Kendrick comes out for.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
Hey, come on, let's go.
Speaker 1 (43:47):
So Bob Nightingale is gonna join us next from USA.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
Today. We'll talk some baseball.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
But I've just received information I'm not exaggerating about who
is going to win the game tonight between Seattle and Toronto.
And when I tell you where this information came from,
we'll decide if it's just that's it, this is correct,
that's next.
Speaker 5 (44:06):
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