October 23, 2025 • 48 mins
We discuss the breaking news about Chauncey Billiups and Terry Rozier being arrested by the FBI due to their involvement in illegal gambling schemes. Ned Colletti hops on to talk about the World Series which begins tomorrow in Toronto.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh yes, let's get it going on a throwback Thursday,
Rodney Pete and guess what, my man, the double A.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're not salty when it's just you and me. You
just double a man. Adam Auslin is in for Fred
today and it's a good one. We got a full
three hour show.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Adam, even after that Clippers loss, still not salty because
I'm on with you today. If it was Fred, every
segment on our rundown here would just be Clippers lose,
Clippers lose, Clippers lose nine of them.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, what do you think, Adam? And the Clippers lost today? Adam?
What do you make of that? Adam? What's going on
with the Clippers? Adams?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Game one?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Get off me, Freddy, oh my god, and DeAndre and
get off me.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Hey, listen, today almost rights itself. We got so much
to get into. We got our man who sat in
the big chair. Net Coletti is going to join us
this hour and we're gonna talk World Series and really
get in depth to the matchup with the Dodgers and
the Toronto Blue Jays. But before we get into the
Dodger talk, we were hit with that bombshell this morning
(01:06):
Adam A little bit, yeah, a little bit involving the
NBA and gambling. Chauncey Billups, head coach at Portland Trailblazers,
and Terry Rozier of the Miami Heat were arrested for
alleged I put it alleged.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You have to know.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Alleged, yes, gambling, two separate things though when it comes
to that separate instance. But the FBI has been involved
in this. They were arrested. Chauncey Billups was arrested as
a part of a a poker game. I guess that
that they've said that was connected somehow, some way to
the mafia.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Different mafia families, A rigged poker game using X ray vision,
like Superman using rig card shufflers. None of this stuff
was on the up and up. Very nefarious, it sounds like,
and it's shocking seeing a head coach like this being arrested.
He gets arrested in Oregon, Terry Rozier in Orlando, Florida.
(02:08):
Last night, Chauncey Phillips is talking about let the chips
fall where they may postgame and his presser.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh bad joys the word yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I did not choose wisely there. This is we live
in a different world now when it comes to all
these gambling and the access that we have now because
it's been gamified and we all participate in it.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Look right, we all are kind of into it.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Fan duel, prize picks, draft kings. We all participate in it.
And it's just a different way to look at it.
And the leagues do because Rodney, this was the Cardinals
sin like. Leagues would not get in bed. They wouldn't
have a team in Vegas in the nineties when you
were playing like they do now with the Raiders. All
these teams now realized, oh we can make this much money.
(02:55):
Oh okay, well now now we have to get involved.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Was I was shocked when that was that the talking
It's been in the works for forever. You mentioned, you know,
back in the nineties, and you know, I think the
most dangerous things that we would hear was be careful
when you guys go to Vegas in the off season.
You know, somebody's always watching. Just uh, you know, you
get some suspicious characters coming up to you asking you
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specific questions about games.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Don't answer them. Run away.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But that was the thing, guys, the league was concerned about.
Guys spending too much time in Vegas, and you know
a lot of guys, including myself, loved to go and
play craps and played blackjack and hang out in Vegas
four weekend. That was that was very cool. A lot
of guys were, you know, part of deals that they
would go for Super Bowl or Final Four. The hotels
would would offer you opportunities to go and hang out
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and shake hands and do all those things. To fast
forward to today, where the leagues are in partnership with
a lot of these gambling sites to the point where
it's almost they're almost inviting this in.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
They're entangled, yes, and there's no way out. I was
watching earlier on Get Up on the Evil four Letter.
They're talking about this story and in the bottom right
hand corner they're advertising for ESPN bets Get the app now,
And then they kind of slyly had to dissolve on
that graphic because they knew it was a bad look.
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But you kind of have to be upfront about it,
like everybody is doing this now.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, now in the case of Terry Rozier, because it's different,
right because he was investigated what a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Recently, Yeah, for a game from twenty twenty three. So yes,
a couple of years ago, and the NBA investigation got
done recently and they cleared him. And I looked into
this who was playing for the Charlotte Hornets, and there
was irregularities, abnormal betting coming in on prop bets with
him on a bunch of unders or below this number
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that he'll get tonight, and he ended up leaving the
game with a foot injury after about ten minutes, so
they were suspicious was he leaving to make sure those
unders all hit and paid off? But the thing is
he ended up missing pretty much the rest of that
season with that same foot injury, So that'd be a
pretty elaborate way to go about it. But now today,
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according to the Athletic, he was given two hundred thousand
dollars that showed up at his home.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
But he showed up like in quotes, showed up in
air quotes at.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
The March of twenty three. Yeah, you know the bag
that Reggie Bush got.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Hey, hey, hey, second cash.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Hey I'm sorry too.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Soon after the game, Gray there, the.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Athletics reporting in March. On March twenty third of twenty
twenty three, Rozier, while playing for the Hornets, let others
close to him know that he planned to leave early
with that injury. Associates bet more than two hundred thousand
on Rosier's unders and winnings were delivered to Rosier's home,
the indictment alleges. So the NBA's investigation is one thing.
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This is the FEDS and the FBI getting involved. Now,
this is different. This is serious. And with Chauncey, we
didn't know anything about this. But what's interesting is now
people are unearthing video and there were professional gamblers that knew,
you do not go to that card game that Chauncey
Billups is at because they all knew, just going off
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the odds of how much they were getting their ass
kicked the professionals there, that it was rigged. Yeah, and
so it's amazing how much stuff comes out after the
fact like this, and more's coming. I don't think this
is the end of it. That's part of the report
as well from Sean Fernia.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And in the case of Roseer, and that's the thing
with the people. I guess if you're not a let's
say professional, but not a gam on a regular basis,
when things like this happen. They they watch everything, the
FEDS and everybody. They watch everything. So if there's a
crazy number of people start to bet the under, then
they're going to start to investigate that. Who are they
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betting that on, which player are they talking about, which
team are they talking about, And then they go dive
deeper and deeper and deeper into it. And if they
find out that, yeah, there were some shenanigans going on,
because they will find out the red flag it. They'll
red flag the bets, they'll red flag the people, and
they'll start investigating the people. In the case of Chauncey,
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as you mentioned, having a like a lot of folks
play poker, a lot of guys have you know, especially
in this town, there's a lot of poker games going on,
you know, backroom games, you know, high stakes games, things
like that. Sometimes it's friendly games, but they're going on
all over the place. But to have it be known
that that's a game from professional gamblers saying stay away
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from that game, yeah, stay away from that. That's a
bad look at them. That's not good at all.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And Chauncey allegedly was being used as bait for what
they were calling the fish. The players. Hey, you get
to rub elbows and be close to all these high
profile people like Chauncey Billups, why don't you come to
this poker game and lose your millions here because you'll
at least get the entertainment aspect out of it of
being close to somebody like Chauncey Billups. So that's how
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he was being used. I don't know who else was there,
but looks like it wasn't just Chauncey. Damon Jones. Is
somebody else that's getting in trouble for this, And he's
also being looked at for insider information while he had
special on court privileges right with the Lakers and Lebron James,
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And the accusation is that he was giving away whether
or not Lebron was going to play that night, and
there were bets coming in much earlier than when the
public got the information that Lebron was out on the
opposition Lakers. I think there was a game against Milwaukee
that they ended up getting crushed in a few years ago,
and it came out late before tip off that oh, Lebron,
(09:05):
Lebron James is a late scratch. Yeah, but that information
was given to the Betters beforehand. And that's the big
no no that insider Arthur Stewart.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Erected on the injury report that comes out before and
then comes out. Was it there's so many hours before
the game that they got to report that too.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, and that's stuff serious.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think the Terry Rozier situation with his foot, there
was also suspicion there because he may have known he
was already hurt, or an athletic trainer had already known,
but it wasn't on the injury report, it wasn't listed
on there. And then all this money's flooding in on
these unders for him, like they knew about it, but
the general public didn't. And that's the problem there, that
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insider information.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Which is very scary.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
If you're not really up on everything or aware of
everything going around or happening surrounding sports. And I've known
some very naive guys that that thought that everything was
cool and everything's on the up and up, and just
talking to friends or acquaintances and saying probably too much
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to these people. And the fact that now that it's
intertwined with the leagues and there's a partnership, it's it's
extremely difficult. First, a lot of players to kind of
not know or not understand when they're in a conversation
or casual conversation with someone of what is going to
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get flagged or red flagged or somebody setting them.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Up or anything.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, you know, when I was playing, it was you know,
DraftKings and all those and bandul and all those prize picks.
We're not we're not out there, we're not available. But
but football was still the number one sport people bet on.
And I can remember several times, you know, I'd be
out at Den and or out somewhere and some guys
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would come up and they would say it in a
joking way, Hey, you guys gonna cover this week. Hey,
thanks for covering, Hey, thanks for you want me some
money or you lost me some money, you know, on
a regular basis, and you don't think anything of it
until it is something.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Did you ever get approached by any of these disreputable,
unscrupulous people, the mafioso to hey, affect this game for us,
help us out? Was it ever that serious with you?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
No, thank god, it wasn't with me. But I will
say during my time in Philadelphia, and I was there
for four years, there was a lot going on in
Philadelphia and in the nineties New York, Philadelphia, behind the
scenes when it came to gambling, when it came to
mafia and organized crime and all those things. And I
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do distinctly remember it reminded me of this. And it's
ironic that this story came out because there's a show
on Netflix right now called Philadelphia and the Mafia or
something like that on Netflix, and it involves the story
of a guy, young guy named Joey Merlino who kind
of made his way up as a young kid in
the neighborhood in South Philly, grew up to be a
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very powerful figure in Philadelphia and and some would say
organized crime. And on Thursday nights or even Friday nights
before a Sunday game, oftentimes a lot of us, whether
it be me in the offensive line or some of
the guys, we'd go out to dinner and check out
different restaurants and we find out, you know, this is
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our cool place, this is a great steakhouse. We want
to go here. And I happened to run into him
at that particular restaurant and steakhouse. It was a steakhouse,
for sure, not knowing who he was actually and and
and then as time went on and he was getting
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up to leave, and and he said alone, and uh,
the people around him knew who I was and knew
I was having dinner. And they said, oh, let me
get you. I say, no, we don't have to. You
don't need to give me a drink or anything like that.
And he said, uh, you know, keep doing what you're doing.
I like you guys, you guys cover and I you know,
you're thinking, oh cool, okay, no big, no big.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Our corners are pretty good. They're covering our secondary.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
No, flies on the look.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I I love to go play craps and I did
that in Vegas blackjack or whatever. But when it came
to sports betting and odds and the favorites, I didn't
know anything about that. I didn't really pay attention to things.
So when he said that leaving the restaurant, I was like, oh, okay, cool, cool.
And then afterwards he was like, well, you know who
that was. It was Joey Melino and blah blah blah.
He does a lot in Philadelphia. He's a big time guy.
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And uh so just uh, just know who that was.
He was like oh, okay, okay, uh try cozy. Who
knows because I never really ran into him anymore or
didn't have any association with him anymore. But thinking back
of him saying I like you guys, you guys cover,
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I think we went on a roll. We were underdogs
in like four or five games previous to that and
ended up either winning or covering the spread.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So it was good.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And again we fell into favor with a lot of
guys that bet on football and specifically the Eagles. And
but me, not thinking anything of it, I thought was okay, cool,
he likes the fact that we cover. Keep on doing
what you're doing. And he left and that was it.
But man, I'm just thinking how casual that was and
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someone getting enamored by him and that group that comes in,
they want to buy you dinner, they want to buy
you a drink, and ate, what do you think this week?
Because I used to also get it just from random
people on the street. Hey, is uh so and so
going to play today? Is Fred Barnet your receiver? Is
he going to play this week? How is he? How's
he feeling? How he look in practice?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Like? Why are you so concerned?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know about how a guy looks in practice on
a Thursday when the game's out till Sunday, and you know,
and I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I don't think I'm a naive guy.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
But it was just the way they kind of come
up to you in a casual way trying to befriend you.
Or it's a friend of a friend. Hey, I know
so and so he's a good buddy yours, or he
went to college with you, or he knows you from
this way.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
What do you think about it? And they have some
you know, casual conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The next thing, you know, hey, hey, what do you
think you guys gonna score more than twenty? I mean
it's just like throws it out there like that. I
was like, no, but I could see how guys can
fall into that, that kind of trap.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh, it's so prevalent now with the prop that's going on.
And we could take this back to the most recent
guy to get busted, go to jail, be banned from
the NBA, Michael Porter Junior's brother John Samurry. Yes, that
was the guy who was investigated. And this went on
over a couple of years, and you can go back
and look at film on YouTube of him intentionally not
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going for rebounds because he wanted that under to hit,
and he got in trouble gambling and losing money. So
then to get out of debt, his idea was, well,
I will control my prop bets and guys can bet
on me and make money on the unders. And he's
banned from the NBA. I don't even know if he
can play overseas when he gets out. Like it's serious.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
And the prop bets, you know, for those that don't know,
now you can bet on anything. You can bet, you know, guy,
not only just how many points will a guy score?
Is he going to get the first rebound? Or how
many rebounds he's going.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
To get in the game in that particular quarter.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, it's all of those things. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
The NBA is trying to crack down a little bit,
and Adam Silver's come out and said, we don't want
prop bets on obscure players, basically two way players. Guys
who may play may not because it's too easy to manipulate.
But these gambling companies, they know when a ton of
money comes in on a player, there's a red flag
right away, and that's how these guys end up getting caught,
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then they give that information over to the NBA. And
what's interesting is with insider trading and betting like this
in that report that came out today, aside from Chauncey
and the legal card game that was fixed, it looks
like they're also seeing if he was giving away inside
information as the head coach, because they talk about like
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player A not playing against the Chicago Bulls late in
the season as the Portland Trailblazers are basically trying to
move and everybody goes back and looks at that game
and it's like, oh, yeah, Damian Liller wasn't playing, and
apparently the Portland Trail Blazers knew like a week ahead
of time he was gonna be shut down and some
money was coming in then when the public didn't know,
So somebody knew somewhere. I think the Chauncey's gonna be
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looked at for that too, Like there is a lot
of stuff that they're gonna have to sore through.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's scary.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I mean, like like you said on the prop bets,
you know, say, you know one of the bets is
so and so is going to get a double double, right,
and he's got you know, he's easily gonna score ten
plus points, right and it's the fourth quarter and he's
got nine rebounds, you know, you know, and somebody approach it, Hey,
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just don't get ten. Just don't get ten rebounds. And
you've seen story after story, there's documentary after documentary of
guys that get caught up in there and say, look,
I can make an extra hundred grand, two hundred grand.
I mean this goes down into college as well. Oh yeah,
you know, and you're sitting there going two hundred grand.
All I gotta do is I'm not losing the game.
So guys justify certain times, I'm not going to lose.
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I'm not trying to lose the game. I'm just not
going to get that tenth rebound.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And you'd hope now that we have nil, there's going
to be less of that stuff because they may not
need the money. But it's not like Chauncey needs the money.
It's not like Terry Rozier needs the money. This isn't
an addiction. And we've kind of monetized this addiction to
some degree. And the other guy, Malik Beasley, he was
being invested. Malik Beasley lost out on forty three million
dollars that was sitting there waiting for him from the
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Detroit Pistons. The investigation comes underway, so let's put this
on ice. Now, let's let's worry about this contract later.
Malik Beasley got investigated for a game where he's playing
with Milwaukee with Damian Lillard going back to Portland a
couple of years ago, and the over under for rebounds
was two and a half with Malik Beasley, and all
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this money came in on the under. Get how many
rebounds he got. There's a plotswist here.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Oh I'm saying one.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
He gets six and all.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And so it looks like you can look at the film,
this guy wasn't selling the game. He was obviously playing hard.
He's taking away rebounds from DeAndre Ayton. I mean that's
not that hard, but like he so it goes to
fred DeAndre Hayden here like so that it seemed to
exonerate him. But the investigation, I think from the FED side,
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is still going. Like, but that guy lost out on
forty five million dollars because of it, just because of
the suspicion on Malik Beasley, who by the way, had
his best season, made the eighth most threes ever in
an NBA regular season last year, and he's involved in
all this somehow.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, it's it's it's a slippery slope, as we talked about,
and it's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
This is not the end of it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I'm sure there's going to be more and more of
these stories coming out. We will keep our eye on it.
But next up, Man, we got a lot to talk about, Adam,
lots to talk about Saturday, that's right, that's right. Tomorrow
we're on the eve of World Series Game one, and
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we got the guy in the big chair that's gonna
break it down for us. Net Coletti's gonna join us
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Speaker 5 (21:46):
Gentlemen, gentlemen, what a great opening, great opening, beautiful.
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We know we love it, beautiful, love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I got, I got, I got Adam in here for
Fred today, Ned, because I think that coming up on
Game one, uh, he might be a little antsy and
little nervous because he's he predicted a blowout and.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And yeah, he just asked Ned if the Dodgers are
gonna win three games? That's all Fred was.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
But Ned, I find it interesting, and I listen. I know,
it's it's sports, and it's baseball, and and you got
to play the game and and all of those things.
But if it feels like the national folks are really
kind of going a little bit extra to ensure the
public or let the public know that, hey, this is
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not going to be an easy series for the Dodgers.
Toronto is going to give him everything they want, and
quite frankly, Toronto could win this series. I had a
couple of people. I saw a couple of people predict
Toronto winning the series in six. But it feels like
it's just and I get it. I get it. You
wanted to be competitive, and that's good and all those
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kind of things, but that's not We don't have to
go overboard to the point where people are believing, actually,
Toronto is gonna win this thing, which they could. Don't
get me wrong, they could. But how do you see
this series shaping up?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Net Well, this might be the best series that the
Dodgers have had competitive wise of all of them. Toronto's
got a good team. They're probably gonna get the set back.
Eighteen homers ninety four RBIs three eleven average last year.
They'll have some decisions to make if they're gonna if
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he comes back, whether to play him at short, which
he hasn't done for seven weeks, and let him dh
and put Springer in the outfield. But this team can compete.
I don't know that they're going to have the starting
pitching to compete with La. When you run the four
guys out that that the Dodgers are going to run out.
Any one of them would be easily the ace of Toronto.
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Just one of them would be the So Toronto's gonna
have it's its hands fall in a lot of different ways.
I don't think that their pitchers can nibble because the
Dodgers will be getting into that pen, which is not
really a stellar pen so far early, and their hitters
are going to have to really be disciplined, especially against
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against Snell and Yamamoto, whose stuff is so nasty and
breaks so late, they're not going to be able to
expand his own I think it's imperative Toronto gets into
the middle of the Dodgers' bullpen middle innings to get
into the bullpen. Dodgers have kind of eased the bullpen
woes by by having their starters go seven eight innings.
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That's certainly a way to do it. So but Toronto
can play. We can't. We can't discount that. And they've
got some veterans on there, some kids that are excellent.
You know, you got the sheet, you got Vlad Junior,
youve got Springer who we've known for a long time,
and coming back from hum what heat did. So this
will a great series. I think. I don't think that
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the Dodgers are gonna get beaten it. I think that
it may go six, probably go five, chance to go four,
probably as big a chance to go for as it's
got to go six. But I don't think that Toronto's
pitching is gonna be able to keep Toronto close enough
to really do much damage here over a series that
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goes more than the best at of three.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well, Fred Rogan just texted me and said, it's going one, Ned,
It's going one Dodgers in one game here. They're taken
about now. I get Ned. I do want to talk
about a pitcher you just brought up, because I'm familiar
with your work being from Norcale and Dodger fans may
not want to hear this, but you also are doing
a great job with the Giants with your time there
till the mid two thousands. I don't know if you
scouted this player, but he sure reminds me of Blake
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Snell right now, and that would be Madison Bumgarner. Do
you see any parallels between those two with what Snell's
been doing here in the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (25:57):
A lot. I think I think Snell is I think
there they are probably seventy percent the same and about
thirty percent different. I think the compete on bomb Gardner
was maybe as good as anybody. It was like the
left handed Jack Morris going back in the day. And
not that Blake doesn't compete. Blake has got huge compete too.
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Blake has probably got stuff that is a little bit
more refined. I guess, as you know, I had thought
it out there. Question his stuff is so good and
they both have an incredible knowledge of what they do
and how they do it and how to attack it.
You know, the compete of bumb Gardener, I think back
to the when he came in relief for four or five,
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maybe six innings to win a game. You know, I
don't know that Blake's now is going to do that
or would be able to do that. To think of
the compete, you would need as a young guy to
come in and pitch in a playoff situation that duration
and be dominant. That that's a different, different, different approach
right there. Plus, if you remember back in two ten,
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I think the first year that they won, he was
supposed to be shut down in September. He had thrown
enough innings and he continued to pitch because he was
one of their best guys. A lot of similarities, certainly
left handed, strong, compete a little bit, a little bit
the same, but a little bit different too. But quality
at the end of the day, quality absolutely October quality without.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
A doubt net As we go into this series, a
lot to talk also about the Dodgers kind of rolling
through Cincinnati, Philly and then sweeping Milwaukee and having a
lot of rest. Do you which side do you fall
on as a good thing or a bad thing in
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terms of rest. The Dodgers have the rest. Toronto fought
through a seven game series with Seattle not as much rest,
had a utilize a lot of guys. Does that favor
one team or another or is it just a now
it's a new series, any's just starting from scratch.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
I think it's a new series. I think you could
fall on either side of that argument. It's great to
have rest, but it's also great to have momentum and
to go from one series to the next. And we've
seen the Doctors have a break sometimes at the end
of the season and they come back and they're a
little slow to get going in the first round in
the DCS, and sometimes they have been upset in that round.
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I don't know that it's gonna matter. I think by
the time you get halfway through game one, all of
that stuffs behind you, and you will know then if
the time off has been a factor or if it
doesn't make a difference. I don't think that lasts very long. Certainly,
momentum can change in a heartbeat, mone can change on
a pitch. But I think you could look at it
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either way and find reasons that you like it or
reasons that you don't. I think it comes down to
the talent. I think it comes down to the depth
Dodgers they've been. You know, they stay hungry. They are
so hungry with with success. Most teams will fall back
a little bit after they're successful. This team gets hungrier
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the more success they have. I don't know that Toronto
can pitch with them. I think Toronto's gonna have to
hit with them, and it's always tough to chase the scoreboard.
Whether you've had time off or you haven't. The shadow
help bottom of their order is better. I think if
Seattle would have would have prevailed in Game seven, this
might be over in three. I don't think Seattle had
much of a chance, a little bit better pitching, but
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the bottom of their order, Dodgers was just carved that up,
and they would have enough to get through the first
two or three guys or four guys that they'd have
to get to. But Seattle's on the couch like everybody
else watching it and playing golf. But you know, I
think Toronto's got a chance. But Toronto's gonna have to
be almost perfect to win it. Dodgers got margin there,
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and I don't know anybody I can compete with those
four starting pitchers. Toronto's got to get those guys out
in the fourth fifth inning, then they've got a chance.
You start seeing smell in the sixth seventh Yeah, Mamodo
in the sixth seventh glass, now in the sixth seventh
show Han in the sixth seventh done, ned.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I feel like it's been a long time since we
saw Tani's struggle, even though he was before Game four,
but that Game four performance was so special you almost
forget that he was struggling early on in the playoffs.
Can that one performance carry over into this World Series? Now?
Is Otani oh locked? And if he has a great
World Series, he pitches well, he hits well, is that
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it is it over when it comes to the goat conversation?
Has there never been anybody like this before since Babe
Ruth and doing this in the modern era maybe means more.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Well, that's a great question, I think, and it's certainly
great for conversation's sake. I think Otana could go oh
for twenty and when it comes up for the twenty
first time, everybody he's watching and including the other team,
and they're gonna be so careful with him. I don't
think slumps or little little downturns in production really can
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affect Certainly, they can affect the game here or there,
but it's not going to be long standing as far
as Babe Ruth and the greatest of all time. Two
thoughts Babe Ruth, really, I think he pitched about thirty
to forty innings in his career. After he moved to
right field, he pitched, they started hitting, and then they
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put him third in the lineup, and then they let
him hit and he pitched once in a while. Otani
probably has far more innings pitch, even with the Tommy
Johns situations, far more innings pitched as a outfielder pitcher
than Babe that if my recollection is correct, Babe was
really two different players the right hand right field, a
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left handed pitcher and a right fielder. Okay, show he
is already kind of past that dynamic. I think when
you say the greatest of all time, and I think
people love these conversations, whether it's basketball with Jordan or
Kobe or Lebron or Bill Russell or on and on,
I think it takes time to develop that. I think
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if if Shoe Hayden play ever again after last year,
couldn't say it'd be the greatest of all time. If
he plays another five or six years the way he
played like last year and this year, yeah, then you
then that argument becomes becomes very easy. I think it's
really a for me, it's a duration argument. And we
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sometimes like to put titles, especially that type of title
on players, maybe a bit prematurely. I know, I've never
seen anybody do what he does. And I've been around
some of the greats in the game, whether they were
pitchers or they were hitters that they were both No never,
but again it's been it's been a couple of years
plus and then the pitching just kind of came back
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this past year, so the greatest of all time. Certainly
he's in the race to do it, But I think
that's more of a longevity question for me at the
the performing at the at the level that he performs
at than it is anointing at this stage of his career.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I'm good with that.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
That was a world class That's what I needed today here, Nett.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Thank you. I'm good with that. It'll it'll Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Certainly to your point, Adam, if he has any kind
of Otani like performance in this series, I think it
closes the door for a lot of people. On that
go conversation, net you mentioned bobashek coming back, and he
was very adamant when he was asked, I'll be ready
for the World Series.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
He's ready.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
He's ready, but also coming back from injury and then
have to play a demanding position like shortstop.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
If you're managing the Toronto Blue Jays, do you try
to find a way to put Springer in the outfield
even though he's also banged up with the knee. And
but we we see what he can do obviously with
his bat, but defensively, does he become a liability if
you allow him to play right field and allow Bobashett
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to be the d H. How do you go about
that in this series?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
If you're Toronto, well, I haven't seen the set take
round balls, or run or really show a first step.
You know, when you have the injury that he had
to his left knee. You can practice, you can do
all kinds of things, but when you get into a game,
you get into a World Series game, the knee will
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not be tested until that moment in time, so you
don't know really what you got. Yeah, you can feel better,
you can you can do a lot of the things
you've done. But are you at max speed? I mean
you know, I mean you know when you practice, I
mean you know, it was different than if you were
playing in an NFC Championship game. The toully different dynamic.
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I think you got to ask yourself, if you're Toronto, Okay,
can we live with Springer in the outfield? The safest
thing to do is so if Bashett hit least game
or two and see how he's doing, See how he
can turn the basis, see how he can run, is
he cautious? Is he full on? And how does he recover?
Some of this won't be answered. It could be answering
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the first that bad or something bad happens. But just
because he gets through the game doesn't mean that it's
all answer. I think the day of recovery will be
a big day. He's going to be asked to go
back to back and then fly halfway you know, around
the country here and then continue to play. So I
think if I was sitting there, I'd have to ask,
so can we live with Springer's defense in the outfield?
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And is he capable of playing what he did when
he got hit. I didn't think he was coming back.
I thought that was it, and then we saw what
he did, so you know, they've got heaven Beshet back
is a big advantage to him, but it does create
the next question, were you applying them and and how
is he going to perform compared to not not having
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game speed for seven weeks?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Uh, hey, Ned, we obviously love having you on and
and and it's not paddic mode because Freds not here?
Speaker 3 (36:19):
You mind? Hey, do you mind staying over for another segment?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I got more for you, man, No, no, we could
do that.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, absolutely all right, let's do that, Mad, We got
we got a lot more for you man. We can
always listen to you for hours and hours an hours,
So hang on.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
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Our man in the big tier, Ned COLLETTI. Ned, you
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talk about this Toronto team, and one of the things
that keeps coming up is that they do a great job.
And you mentioned the difference between their five through nine
and Seattle's five through nine. If you look at it,
Seattle's five through nine with null and void and Toronto's
came to play and they what they do well is
they put the ball in play, also featuring that as
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well as well as they do. What else has to
happen for Toronto for this to be a successful series for.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Them, Well, I think a lot of it will will
go one way or the other, depending on when they
can get the Dodgers starters out of the game. Toronto
can have more competitive at bets than anybody we've seen
throughout a lineup. Milwaukee, Philly, Cincinnati was a blink. Really
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it was you know, you got past you got past
the top three. In Philly, you had six more guys
that are working to do much damage. And when you
think about it, three for thirty eight with the top
three and the losses didn't do much damage. You think
about Milwaukee, same thing. Holes in the lineup. Some Thinness
Dodgers feast on that. They will use pitches, many pitches
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sometimes to get through the big hitters in the lineup.
But when you've got three or four soft spots in
the lineup, you get that those pitches back because you're
getting one, two, three pitches, you're done with the next
guy to move on. Toronto's going to be a little
bit more challenging for that. I think we'll know early
if they're anxious. I mean, you think about it, it's
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a big game, as good as grow is and as
good as the sheet is, and on and on. For
that team they're playing the World Series is the first
time for them and they're at home. So is there
going to be some anxiousness early? Which will save Blake
Snell ten pitches fifteen pitches which means another ending a
time for him. I think Toronto's gonna, as I said earlier,
They're gonna have to play it almost perfectly. Every pitch,
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every at bat is gonna have to be really thought
about as they do it. And can they do that?
I mean that takes extreme talent. But see that's one
of the things that I think makes the Dodgers so
effective offensively. They rarely and the bigger the game, the
less chase they have. So I said earlier, if Toronto's
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pitchers are gonna nibble, and except for Savage, a kid
that went from from Low Way to the big leagues
this year to opening night starter, they got Nibbless Gosman
good pitcher, they a good pitcher, metschers or Hall of Famer,
those guys nibble at the stage. You're not gonna be
able to get away with that with the Dodgers. They
will run those guys out of games. So it's gonna
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be tough for Toronto to pitch with them. So they're
gonna have to score, and you're gonna have to score
by really getting into the part of the Dodger bullpen
that everybody was up in arms about most of the season.
But you haven't seen much of in the month of October.
They have been going to seven or eight the starters
and you got Vessia good. Okay, you got Sasaki good,
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you got Blake Tringam from time to time good. But
you're not going to getting deep into that pen. You've
got to give Toronto's gonna win this thing, or they're
gonna compete with h and win a couple of games.
At least, They're gonna have to get into the other
part of the pen that we haven't seen much of
this October, and the only way they can do that
is to really have great at bets, especially against against
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Snell and Yamamoto. Their stuff is so filthy that it
looks like one pitch for fifty five feet and the
last five feet it's a totally different pitch that you
thought it was the first fifty five and that is
unique ability. But that's what they're gonna have to do.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Ned.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
What about the managerial matchup in this series. You've seen
some great ones, You've been around some of the best,
and how impressive have you been with Dave Roberts in
just getting them to lock into this too, Because we
talked about it all season long, while the Dodgers have
issues with the sense of urgency or a lack thereof
the bullpen. They get into the playoffs, he says, go hunt.
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And they've lost one game so far in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Now, I have so much respect for Dave Roberts. He
does not have an easy job. Managing for any team
is not easy, but especially when you have the expectation
that this organization has had for a long long time now.
And how he does it and how he goes about
it is calm. He's collected, and he really has a
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I think a tremendous amount of people's skill wisdom to him.
I have so much respect for him. I get upset
when people start to take shots at him. I know
it's part of the gig, but you know, to do
what he's done. And sure, he's got talent, he's got
a big payroll that they give him, so to speak,
to work with talent wise, but hey, look to the
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history of the game. Not all the team that had
that spend the most win the most. But that's the expectation,
and that's what he's done. I think he's got these
guys ready. I think he keeps them accountable. I think
he also knows when he really needs them to be accountable.
And when you're talking about August or early September, you know,
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that's a different dynamic than it is a twenty second,
twenty third day of October. I think he manages it
all very very very well.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah, I agree, And he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
He doesn't get always get the credit that he deserves
in managing this, not only the lineup and the talent,
but also the egos and everything that comes along.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
With Oh yeah, yeah, it's winning.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
And leading. Leading and winning organization is not easy, especially
in the seat that he sits in. So you know,
I have you know, we've talked about that on the
show now for a handful of years. Ri. You know,
it upsets me when people take him the cask well
he did this, he did that. You know, Oh wait
a minute, you know what. Look at other franchises that
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have been tremendous for years and then they become mediocre,
or then they struggle, or then they they drop out
a side for a minute. He's never done that. This
group has never done that under his leadership.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Once ned before we let you go, Speaking of managers,
the Giants decided they were going to go to the
college ranks and get Tony Battello from Tennessee. They won
a college World Series last year. Now he's the new
manager of the Giants. Your thoughts on that move and
(44:37):
then a manager head coach coming from college to managing
the big leagues man the challenge of that.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Well, I don't think it will land in the middle.
I think it'll be very good or it'll be a
one time experiment. I think, you know, his record is
very very good. I know people who's who represent players
that have played under him, and you know, and they
love this guy. But it's a different dynamic, plus the
grind of a big league season versus college. I mean
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it's three times the games. And yeah, college as nil
right now, but they don't have thirty five million dollar
players in nil. So it'll be a different dynamic. And
I think the a lot of times, and it'll be
it'll really be be gaged by how long and every
team faces adversity to a course of a season, how
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long their adversity lasts when they when they go through it,
because they're going to go through it, and do the
players say, what does this guy know? He's never played
a minute of professional baseball. Look at what I've done,
look at what he's done. It's always a challenge for
those who have not played the game at the highest level,
let alone inside the arena of professional sport for that
(45:50):
particular sport. But other than that, I think it's a
I think it's a very very shrewd and sharp move
and it's got a chance to be revolutionary in it.
You've picked the right person for it to be. You've
in a lot of different ways. His character is enthusiasm.
You know, one of his strengths has been recruiting. Well,
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you know, except to get on a phone call with
a free agent, you're not gonna be able to do that. So,
you know, it's one of his great strengths has been recruiting.
So that has been a little bit watered down in
this particular role. But I think it'll either be really
good or it'll be a one time experiment. I think
people be watching it all ye along. Doctor Giants also
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spending like probably eleven to twelve million dollars on that
position this coming season. They they all Melvin four. They
had to pay Tennessee three to get him out of
his contract, and he was making three. So he's not
making three Stow, you know he's probably making four. So
you probably had eleven million for this season to pay
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to take this route. Yeah, you know, I guess they
can't get free agents to come there, so I guess
this is a the next best thing that an interesting study.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, well, yeah, well I agree with you. It's either
going to be hot or cold. And we'll know soon,
right because we you know, baseball is a long season,
but if you get off to a bad start, it
becomes a very short season for some.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Oh yeah, and won't be as many people as good
as Tennessee has been, including a national championship, Not as
many people have been watching that as watching we watching
the Giants play, so shooting he will be a lot
a lot different. But you know what, he's got the
character to do it. We'll see, and he's got the
smarts to do it. We'll see if he can.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, well, Nett, you always have the smarts, man, And
I thank you for for extending your stay with us.
Always welcome, We always love hearing from you.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Man. Thank you so much. Brother.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
I'm honored to be with you, guys. I love talking ball,
I love doing it doing it with you guys. Thank
you ed.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Many thanks to our man, our good friend net Coletti,
who sat in that big tier and knows baseball better
than anybody there, so we always appreciate when he joins us.
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Oh yes, let's get it going on a throwback Thursday,
Rodney Pete and guess what, my man, the double A.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
You're not salty when it's just you and me. You
just double a man. Adam Auslin is in for Fred
today and it's a good one. We got a full
three hour show.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Adam, even after that Clippers loss, still not salty because
I'm on with you today. If it was Fred, every
segment on our rundown here would just be Clippers lose,
Clippers lose, Clippers lose nine of them.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah, what do you think, Adam? And the Clippers lost today? Adam?
What do you make of that? Adam? What's going on
with the Clippers? Adams?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Game one?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Get off me, Freddy, oh my god, and DeAndre and
get off me.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Hey, listen, today almost rights itself. We got so much
to get into. We got our man who sat in
the big chair. Net Coletti is going to join us
this hour and we're gonna talk World Series and really
get in depth to the matchup with the Dodgers and
the Toronto Blue Jays. But before we get into the
Dodger talk, we were hit with that bombshell this morning
(01:06):
Adam A little bit, yeah, a little bit involving the
NBA and gambling. Chauncey Billups, head coach at Portland Trailblazers,
and Terry Rozier of the Miami Heat were arrested for
alleged I put it alleged.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
You have to know.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Alleged, yes, gambling, two separate things though when it comes
to that separate instance. But the FBI has been involved
in this. They were arrested. Chauncey Billups was arrested as
a part of a a poker game. I guess that
that they've said that was connected somehow, some way to
the mafia.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
Different mafia families, A rigged poker game using X ray vision,
like Superman using rig card shufflers. None of this stuff
was on the up and up. Very nefarious, it sounds like,
and it's shocking seeing a head coach like this being arrested.
He gets arrested in Oregon, Terry Rozier in Orlando, Florida.
(02:08):
Last night, Chauncey Phillips is talking about let the chips
fall where they may postgame and his presser.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh bad joys the word yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
I did not choose wisely there. This is we live
in a different world now when it comes to all
these gambling and the access that we have now because
it's been gamified and we all participate in it.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Look right, we all are kind of into it.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Fan duel, prize picks, draft kings. We all participate in it.
And it's just a different way to look at it.
And the leagues do because Rodney, this was the Cardinals
sin like. Leagues would not get in bed. They wouldn't
have a team in Vegas in the nineties when you
were playing like they do now with the Raiders. All
these teams now realized, oh we can make this much money.
(02:55):
Oh okay, well now now we have to get involved.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Was I was shocked when that was that the talking
It's been in the works for forever. You mentioned, you know,
back in the nineties, and you know, I think the
most dangerous things that we would hear was be careful
when you guys go to Vegas in the off season.
You know, somebody's always watching. Just uh, you know, you
get some suspicious characters coming up to you asking you
(03:20):
specific questions about games.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
Don't answer them. Run away.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
But that was the thing, guys, the league was concerned about.
Guys spending too much time in Vegas, and you know
a lot of guys, including myself, loved to go and
play craps and played blackjack and hang out in Vegas
four weekend. That was that was very cool. A lot
of guys were, you know, part of deals that they
would go for Super Bowl or Final Four. The hotels
would would offer you opportunities to go and hang out
(03:47):
and shake hands and do all those things. To fast
forward to today, where the leagues are in partnership with
a lot of these gambling sites to the point where
it's almost they're almost inviting this in.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
They're entangled, yes, and there's no way out. I was
watching earlier on Get Up on the Evil four Letter.
They're talking about this story and in the bottom right
hand corner they're advertising for ESPN bets Get the app now,
And then they kind of slyly had to dissolve on
that graphic because they knew it was a bad look.
(04:23):
But you kind of have to be upfront about it,
like everybody is doing this now.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, now in the case of Terry Rozier, because it's different,
right because he was investigated what a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Recently, Yeah, for a game from twenty twenty three. So yes,
a couple of years ago, and the NBA investigation got
done recently and they cleared him. And I looked into
this who was playing for the Charlotte Hornets, and there
was irregularities, abnormal betting coming in on prop bets with
him on a bunch of unders or below this number
(04:58):
that he'll get tonight, and he ended up leaving the
game with a foot injury after about ten minutes, so
they were suspicious was he leaving to make sure those
unders all hit and paid off? But the thing is
he ended up missing pretty much the rest of that
season with that same foot injury, So that'd be a
pretty elaborate way to go about it. But now today,
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according to the Athletic, he was given two hundred thousand
dollars that showed up at his home.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
But he showed up like in quotes, showed up in
air quotes at.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
The March of twenty three. Yeah, you know the bag
that Reggie Bush got.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Hey, hey, hey, second cash.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Hey I'm sorry too.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Soon after the game, Gray there, the.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Athletics reporting in March. On March twenty third of twenty
twenty three, Rozier, while playing for the Hornets, let others
close to him know that he planned to leave early
with that injury. Associates bet more than two hundred thousand
on Rosier's unders and winnings were delivered to Rosier's home,
the indictment alleges. So the NBA's investigation is one thing.
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This is the FEDS and the FBI getting involved. Now,
this is different. This is serious. And with Chauncey, we
didn't know anything about this. But what's interesting is now
people are unearthing video and there were professional gamblers that knew,
you do not go to that card game that Chauncey
Billups is at because they all knew, just going off
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the odds of how much they were getting their ass
kicked the professionals there, that it was rigged. Yeah, and
so it's amazing how much stuff comes out after the
fact like this, and more's coming. I don't think this
is the end of it. That's part of the report
as well from Sean Fernia.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
It's yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
And in the case of Roseer, and that's the thing
with the people. I guess if you're not a let's
say professional, but not a gam on a regular basis,
when things like this happen. They they watch everything, the
FEDS and everybody. They watch everything. So if there's a
crazy number of people start to bet the under, then
they're going to start to investigate that. Who are they
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betting that on, which player are they talking about, which
team are they talking about, And then they go dive
deeper and deeper and deeper into it. And if they
find out that, yeah, there were some shenanigans going on,
because they will find out the red flag it. They'll
red flag the bets, they'll red flag the people, and
they'll start investigating the people. In the case of Chauncey,
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as you mentioned, having a like a lot of folks
play poker, a lot of guys have you know, especially
in this town, there's a lot of poker games going on,
you know, backroom games, you know, high stakes games, things
like that. Sometimes it's friendly games, but they're going on
all over the place. But to have it be known
that that's a game from professional gamblers saying stay away
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from that game, yeah, stay away from that. That's a
bad look at them. That's not good at all.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
And Chauncey allegedly was being used as bait for what
they were calling the fish. The players. Hey, you get
to rub elbows and be close to all these high
profile people like Chauncey Billups, why don't you come to
this poker game and lose your millions here because you'll
at least get the entertainment aspect out of it of
being close to somebody like Chauncey Billups. So that's how
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he was being used. I don't know who else was there,
but looks like it wasn't just Chauncey. Damon Jones. Is
somebody else that's getting in trouble for this, And he's
also being looked at for insider information while he had
special on court privileges right with the Lakers and Lebron James,
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And the accusation is that he was giving away whether
or not Lebron was going to play that night, and
there were bets coming in much earlier than when the
public got the information that Lebron was out on the
opposition Lakers. I think there was a game against Milwaukee
that they ended up getting crushed in a few years ago,
and it came out late before tip off that oh, Lebron,
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Lebron James is a late scratch. Yeah, but that information
was given to the Betters beforehand. And that's the big
no no that insider Arthur Stewart.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Erected on the injury report that comes out before and
then comes out. Was it there's so many hours before
the game that they got to report that too.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Yeah, and that's stuff serious.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
I think the Terry Rozier situation with his foot, there
was also suspicion there because he may have known he
was already hurt, or an athletic trainer had already known,
but it wasn't on the injury report, it wasn't listed
on there. And then all this money's flooding in on
these unders for him, like they knew about it, but
the general public didn't. And that's the problem there, that
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insider information.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Which is very scary.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
If you're not really up on everything or aware of
everything going around or happening surrounding sports. And I've known
some very naive guys that that thought that everything was
cool and everything's on the up and up, and just
talking to friends or acquaintances and saying probably too much
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to these people. And the fact that now that it's
intertwined with the leagues and there's a partnership, it's it's
extremely difficult. First, a lot of players to kind of
not know or not understand when they're in a conversation
or casual conversation with someone of what is going to
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get flagged or red flagged or somebody setting them.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Up or anything.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Yeah, you know, when I was playing, it was you know,
DraftKings and all those and bandul and all those prize picks.
We're not we're not out there, we're not available. But
but football was still the number one sport people bet on.
And I can remember several times, you know, I'd be
out at Den and or out somewhere and some guys
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would come up and they would say it in a
joking way, Hey, you guys gonna cover this week. Hey,
thanks for covering, Hey, thanks for you want me some
money or you lost me some money, you know, on
a regular basis, and you don't think anything of it
until it is something.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Did you ever get approached by any of these disreputable,
unscrupulous people, the mafioso to hey, affect this game for us,
help us out? Was it ever that serious with you?
Speaker 1 (11:37):
No, thank god, it wasn't with me. But I will
say during my time in Philadelphia, and I was there
for four years, there was a lot going on in
Philadelphia and in the nineties New York, Philadelphia, behind the
scenes when it came to gambling, when it came to
mafia and organized crime and all those things. And I
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do distinctly remember it reminded me of this. And it's
ironic that this story came out because there's a show
on Netflix right now called Philadelphia and the Mafia or
something like that on Netflix, and it involves the story
of a guy, young guy named Joey Merlino who kind
of made his way up as a young kid in
the neighborhood in South Philly, grew up to be a
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very powerful figure in Philadelphia and and some would say
organized crime. And on Thursday nights or even Friday nights
before a Sunday game, oftentimes a lot of us, whether
it be me in the offensive line or some of
the guys, we'd go out to dinner and check out
different restaurants and we find out, you know, this is
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our cool place, this is a great steakhouse. We want
to go here. And I happened to run into him
at that particular restaurant and steakhouse. It was a steakhouse,
for sure, not knowing who he was actually and and
and then as time went on and he was getting
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up to leave, and and he said alone, and uh,
the people around him knew who I was and knew
I was having dinner. And they said, oh, let me
get you. I say, no, we don't have to. You
don't need to give me a drink or anything like that.
And he said, uh, you know, keep doing what you're doing.
I like you guys, you guys cover and I you know,
you're thinking, oh cool, okay, no big, no big.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Our corners are pretty good. They're covering our secondary.
Speaker 5 (13:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
No, flies on the look.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I I love to go play craps and I did
that in Vegas blackjack or whatever. But when it came
to sports betting and odds and the favorites, I didn't
know anything about that. I didn't really pay attention to things.
So when he said that leaving the restaurant, I was like, oh, okay, cool, cool.
And then afterwards he was like, well, you know who
that was. It was Joey Melino and blah blah blah.
He does a lot in Philadelphia. He's a big time guy.
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And uh so just uh, just know who that was.
He was like oh, okay, okay, uh try cozy. Who
knows because I never really ran into him anymore or
didn't have any association with him anymore. But thinking back
of him saying I like you guys, you guys cover,
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I think we went on a roll. We were underdogs
in like four or five games previous to that and
ended up either winning or covering the spread.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
So it was good.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
And again we fell into favor with a lot of
guys that bet on football and specifically the Eagles. And
but me, not thinking anything of it, I thought was okay, cool,
he likes the fact that we cover. Keep on doing
what you're doing. And he left and that was it.
But man, I'm just thinking how casual that was and
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someone getting enamored by him and that group that comes in,
they want to buy you dinner, they want to buy
you a drink, and ate, what do you think this week?
Because I used to also get it just from random
people on the street. Hey, is uh so and so
going to play today? Is Fred Barnet your receiver? Is
he going to play this week? How is he? How's
he feeling? How he look in practice?
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Like? Why are you so concerned?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
You know about how a guy looks in practice on
a Thursday when the game's out till Sunday, and you know,
and I'm not, I'm not.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I don't think I'm a naive guy.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
But it was just the way they kind of come
up to you in a casual way trying to befriend you.
Or it's a friend of a friend. Hey, I know
so and so he's a good buddy yours, or he
went to college with you, or he knows you from
this way.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
What do you think about it? And they have some
you know, casual conversation.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
The next thing, you know, hey, hey, what do you
think you guys gonna score more than twenty? I mean
it's just like throws it out there like that. I
was like, no, but I could see how guys can
fall into that, that kind of trap.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Oh, it's so prevalent now with the prop that's going on.
And we could take this back to the most recent
guy to get busted, go to jail, be banned from
the NBA, Michael Porter Junior's brother John Samurry. Yes, that
was the guy who was investigated. And this went on
over a couple of years, and you can go back
and look at film on YouTube of him intentionally not
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going for rebounds because he wanted that under to hit,
and he got in trouble gambling and losing money. So
then to get out of debt, his idea was, well,
I will control my prop bets and guys can bet
on me and make money on the unders. And he's
banned from the NBA. I don't even know if he
can play overseas when he gets out. Like it's serious.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
And the prop bets, you know, for those that don't know,
now you can bet on anything. You can bet, you know, guy,
not only just how many points will a guy score?
Is he going to get the first rebound? Or how
many rebounds he's going.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
To get in the game in that particular quarter.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
Yeah, it's all of those things. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
The NBA is trying to crack down a little bit,
and Adam Silver's come out and said, we don't want
prop bets on obscure players, basically two way players. Guys
who may play may not because it's too easy to manipulate.
But these gambling companies, they know when a ton of
money comes in on a player, there's a red flag
right away, and that's how these guys end up getting caught,
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then they give that information over to the NBA. And
what's interesting is with insider trading and betting like this
in that report that came out today, aside from Chauncey
and the legal card game that was fixed, it looks
like they're also seeing if he was giving away inside
information as the head coach, because they talk about like
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player A not playing against the Chicago Bulls late in
the season as the Portland Trailblazers are basically trying to
move and everybody goes back and looks at that game
and it's like, oh, yeah, Damian Liller wasn't playing, and
apparently the Portland Trail Blazers knew like a week ahead
of time he was gonna be shut down and some
money was coming in then when the public didn't know,
So somebody knew somewhere. I think the Chauncey's gonna be
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looked at for that too, Like there is a lot
of stuff that they're gonna have to sore through.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
It's scary.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
I mean, like like you said on the prop bets,
you know, say, you know one of the bets is
so and so is going to get a double double, right,
and he's got you know, he's easily gonna score ten
plus points, right and it's the fourth quarter and he's
got nine rebounds, you know, you know, and somebody approach it, Hey,
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just don't get ten. Just don't get ten rebounds. And
you've seen story after story, there's documentary after documentary of
guys that get caught up in there and say, look,
I can make an extra hundred grand, two hundred grand.
I mean this goes down into college as well. Oh yeah,
you know, and you're sitting there going two hundred grand.
All I gotta do is I'm not losing the game.
So guys justify certain times, I'm not going to lose.
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I'm not trying to lose the game. I'm just not
going to get that tenth rebound.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
And you'd hope now that we have nil, there's going
to be less of that stuff because they may not
need the money. But it's not like Chauncey needs the money.
It's not like Terry Rozier needs the money. This isn't
an addiction. And we've kind of monetized this addiction to
some degree. And the other guy, Malik Beasley, he was
being invested. Malik Beasley lost out on forty three million
dollars that was sitting there waiting for him from the
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Detroit Pistons. The investigation comes underway, so let's put this
on ice. Now, let's let's worry about this contract later.
Malik Beasley got investigated for a game where he's playing
with Milwaukee with Damian Lillard going back to Portland a
couple of years ago, and the over under for rebounds
was two and a half with Malik Beasley, and all
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this money came in on the under. Get how many
rebounds he got. There's a plotswist here.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Oh I'm saying one.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
He gets six and all.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
And so it looks like you can look at the film,
this guy wasn't selling the game. He was obviously playing hard.
He's taking away rebounds from DeAndre Ayton. I mean that's
not that hard, but like he so it goes to
fred DeAndre Hayden here like so that it seemed to
exonerate him. But the investigation, I think from the FED side,
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is still going. Like, but that guy lost out on
forty five million dollars because of it, just because of
the suspicion on Malik Beasley, who by the way, had
his best season, made the eighth most threes ever in
an NBA regular season last year, and he's involved in
all this somehow.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, it's it's it's a slippery slope, as we talked about,
and it's dangerous.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
This is not the end of it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
I'm sure there's going to be more and more of
these stories coming out. We will keep our eye on it.
But next up, Man, we got a lot to talk about, Adam,
lots to talk about Saturday, that's right, that's right. Tomorrow
we're on the eve of World Series Game one, and
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Speaker 4 (21:45):
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Speaker 5 (21:46):
Gentlemen, gentlemen, what a great opening, great opening, beautiful.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
We know we love it, beautiful, love it, love it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I got, I got, I got Adam in here for
Fred today, Ned, because I think that coming up on
Game one, uh, he might be a little antsy and
little nervous because he's he predicted a blowout and.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And yeah, he just asked Ned if the Dodgers are
gonna win three games? That's all Fred was.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
But Ned, I find it interesting, and I listen. I know,
it's it's sports, and it's baseball, and and you got
to play the game and and all of those things.
But if it feels like the national folks are really
kind of going a little bit extra to ensure the
public or let the public know that, hey, this is
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not going to be an easy series for the Dodgers.
Toronto is going to give him everything they want, and
quite frankly, Toronto could win this series. I had a
couple of people. I saw a couple of people predict
Toronto winning the series in six. But it feels like
it's just and I get it. I get it. You
wanted to be competitive, and that's good and all those
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kind of things, but that's not We don't have to
go overboard to the point where people are believing, actually,
Toronto is gonna win this thing, which they could. Don't
get me wrong, they could. But how do you see
this series shaping up?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Net Well, this might be the best series that the
Dodgers have had competitive wise of all of them. Toronto's
got a good team. They're probably gonna get the set back.
Eighteen homers ninety four RBIs three eleven average last year.
They'll have some decisions to make if they're gonna if
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he comes back, whether to play him at short, which
he hasn't done for seven weeks, and let him dh
and put Springer in the outfield. But this team can compete.
I don't know that they're going to have the starting
pitching to compete with La. When you run the four
guys out that that the Dodgers are going to run out.
Any one of them would be easily the ace of Toronto.
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Just one of them would be the So Toronto's gonna
have it's its hands fall in a lot of different ways.
I don't think that their pitchers can nibble because the
Dodgers will be getting into that pen, which is not
really a stellar pen so far early, and their hitters
are going to have to really be disciplined, especially against
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against Snell and Yamamoto, whose stuff is so nasty and
breaks so late, they're not going to be able to
expand his own I think it's imperative Toronto gets into
the middle of the Dodgers' bullpen middle innings to get
into the bullpen. Dodgers have kind of eased the bullpen
woes by by having their starters go seven eight innings.
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That's certainly a way to do it. So but Toronto
can play. We can't. We can't discount that. And they've
got some veterans on there, some kids that are excellent.
You know, you got the sheet, you got Vlad Junior,
youve got Springer who we've known for a long time,
and coming back from hum what heat did. So this
will a great series. I think. I don't think that
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the Dodgers are gonna get beaten it. I think that
it may go six, probably go five, chance to go four,
probably as big a chance to go for as it's
got to go six. But I don't think that Toronto's
pitching is gonna be able to keep Toronto close enough
to really do much damage here over a series that
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goes more than the best at of three.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Well, Fred Rogan just texted me and said, it's going one, Ned,
It's going one Dodgers in one game here. They're taken
about now. I get Ned. I do want to talk
about a pitcher you just brought up, because I'm familiar
with your work being from Norcale and Dodger fans may
not want to hear this, but you also are doing
a great job with the Giants with your time there
till the mid two thousands. I don't know if you
scouted this player, but he sure reminds me of Blake
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Snell right now, and that would be Madison Bumgarner. Do
you see any parallels between those two with what Snell's
been doing here in the playoffs?
Speaker 5 (25:57):
A lot. I think I think Snell is I think
there they are probably seventy percent the same and about
thirty percent different. I think the compete on bomb Gardner
was maybe as good as anybody. It was like the
left handed Jack Morris going back in the day. And
not that Blake doesn't compete. Blake has got huge compete too.
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Blake has probably got stuff that is a little bit
more refined. I guess, as you know, I had thought
it out there. Question his stuff is so good and
they both have an incredible knowledge of what they do
and how they do it and how to attack it.
You know, the compete of bumb Gardener, I think back
to the when he came in relief for four or five,
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maybe six innings to win a game. You know, I
don't know that Blake's now is going to do that
or would be able to do that. To think of
the compete, you would need as a young guy to
come in and pitch in a playoff situation that duration
and be dominant. That that's a different, different, different approach
right there. Plus, if you remember back in two ten,
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I think the first year that they won, he was
supposed to be shut down in September. He had thrown
enough innings and he continued to pitch because he was
one of their best guys. A lot of similarities, certainly
left handed, strong, compete a little bit, a little bit
the same, but a little bit different too. But quality
at the end of the day, quality absolutely October quality without.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
A doubt net As we go into this series, a
lot to talk also about the Dodgers kind of rolling
through Cincinnati, Philly and then sweeping Milwaukee and having a
lot of rest. Do you which side do you fall
on as a good thing or a bad thing in
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terms of rest. The Dodgers have the rest. Toronto fought
through a seven game series with Seattle not as much rest,
had a utilize a lot of guys. Does that favor
one team or another or is it just a now
it's a new series, any's just starting from scratch.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
I think it's a new series. I think you could
fall on either side of that argument. It's great to
have rest, but it's also great to have momentum and
to go from one series to the next. And we've
seen the Doctors have a break sometimes at the end
of the season and they come back and they're a
little slow to get going in the first round in
the DCS, and sometimes they have been upset in that round.
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I don't know that it's gonna matter. I think by
the time you get halfway through game one, all of
that stuffs behind you, and you will know then if
the time off has been a factor or if it
doesn't make a difference. I don't think that lasts very long. Certainly,
momentum can change in a heartbeat, mone can change on
a pitch. But I think you could look at it
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either way and find reasons that you like it or
reasons that you don't. I think it comes down to
the talent. I think it comes down to the depth
Dodgers they've been. You know, they stay hungry. They are
so hungry with with success. Most teams will fall back
a little bit after they're successful. This team gets hungrier
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the more success they have. I don't know that Toronto
can pitch with them. I think Toronto's gonna have to
hit with them, and it's always tough to chase the scoreboard.
Whether you've had time off or you haven't. The shadow
help bottom of their order is better. I think if
Seattle would have would have prevailed in Game seven, this
might be over in three. I don't think Seattle had
much of a chance, a little bit better pitching, but
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the bottom of their order, Dodgers was just carved that up,
and they would have enough to get through the first
two or three guys or four guys that they'd have
to get to. But Seattle's on the couch like everybody
else watching it and playing golf. But you know, I
think Toronto's got a chance. But Toronto's gonna have to
be almost perfect to win it. Dodgers got margin there,
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and I don't know anybody I can compete with those
four starting pitchers. Toronto's got to get those guys out
in the fourth fifth inning, then they've got a chance.
You start seeing smell in the sixth seventh Yeah, Mamodo
in the sixth seventh glass, now in the sixth seventh
show Han in the sixth seventh done, ned.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I feel like it's been a long time since we
saw Tani's struggle, even though he was before Game four,
but that Game four performance was so special you almost
forget that he was struggling early on in the playoffs.
Can that one performance carry over into this World Series? Now?
Is Otani oh locked? And if he has a great
World Series, he pitches well, he hits well, is that
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it is it over when it comes to the goat conversation?
Has there never been anybody like this before since Babe
Ruth and doing this in the modern era maybe means more.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Well, that's a great question, I think, and it's certainly
great for conversation's sake. I think Otana could go oh
for twenty and when it comes up for the twenty
first time, everybody he's watching and including the other team,
and they're gonna be so careful with him. I don't
think slumps or little little downturns in production really can
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affect Certainly, they can affect the game here or there,
but it's not going to be long standing as far
as Babe Ruth and the greatest of all time. Two
thoughts Babe Ruth, really, I think he pitched about thirty
to forty innings in his career. After he moved to
right field, he pitched, they started hitting, and then they
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put him third in the lineup, and then they let
him hit and he pitched once in a while. Otani
probably has far more innings pitch, even with the Tommy
Johns situations, far more innings pitched as a outfielder pitcher
than Babe that if my recollection is correct, Babe was
really two different players the right hand right field, a
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left handed pitcher and a right fielder. Okay, show he
is already kind of past that dynamic. I think when
you say the greatest of all time, and I think
people love these conversations, whether it's basketball with Jordan or
Kobe or Lebron or Bill Russell or on and on,
I think it takes time to develop that. I think
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if if Shoe Hayden play ever again after last year,
couldn't say it'd be the greatest of all time. If
he plays another five or six years the way he
played like last year and this year, yeah, then you
then that argument becomes becomes very easy. I think it's
really a for me, it's a duration argument. And we
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sometimes like to put titles, especially that type of title
on players, maybe a bit prematurely. I know, I've never
seen anybody do what he does. And I've been around
some of the greats in the game, whether they were
pitchers or they were hitters that they were both No never,
but again it's been it's been a couple of years
plus and then the pitching just kind of came back
(33:02):
this past year, so the greatest of all time. Certainly
he's in the race to do it, But I think
that's more of a longevity question for me at the
the performing at the at the level that he performs
at than it is anointing at this stage of his career.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (33:21):
I'm good with that.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
That was a world class That's what I needed today here, Nett.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Thank you. I'm good with that. It'll it'll Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Certainly to your point, Adam, if he has any kind
of Otani like performance in this series, I think it
closes the door for a lot of people. On that
go conversation, net you mentioned bobashek coming back, and he
was very adamant when he was asked, I'll be ready
for the World Series.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
He's ready.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
He's ready, but also coming back from injury and then
have to play a demanding position like shortstop.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
If you're managing the Toronto Blue Jays, do you try
to find a way to put Springer in the outfield
even though he's also banged up with the knee. And
but we we see what he can do obviously with
his bat, but defensively, does he become a liability if
you allow him to play right field and allow Bobashett
(34:16):
to be the d H. How do you go about
that in this series?
Speaker 5 (34:20):
If you're Toronto, well, I haven't seen the set take
round balls, or run or really show a first step.
You know, when you have the injury that he had
to his left knee. You can practice, you can do
all kinds of things, but when you get into a game,
you get into a World Series game, the knee will
(34:42):
not be tested until that moment in time, so you
don't know really what you got. Yeah, you can feel better,
you can you can do a lot of the things
you've done. But are you at max speed? I mean
you know, I mean you know when you practice, I
mean you know, it was different than if you were
playing in an NFC Championship game. The toully different dynamic.
(35:05):
I think you got to ask yourself, if you're Toronto, Okay,
can we live with Springer in the outfield? The safest
thing to do is so if Bashett hit least game
or two and see how he's doing, See how he
can turn the basis, see how he can run, is
he cautious? Is he full on? And how does he recover?
Some of this won't be answered. It could be answering
(35:26):
the first that bad or something bad happens. But just
because he gets through the game doesn't mean that it's
all answer. I think the day of recovery will be
a big day. He's going to be asked to go
back to back and then fly halfway you know, around
the country here and then continue to play. So I
think if I was sitting there, I'd have to ask,
so can we live with Springer's defense in the outfield?
(35:48):
And is he capable of playing what he did when
he got hit. I didn't think he was coming back.
I thought that was it, and then we saw what
he did, so you know, they've got heaven Beshet back
is a big advantage to him, but it does create
the next question, were you applying them and and how
is he going to perform compared to not not having
(36:10):
game speed for seven weeks?
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (36:13):
Uh, hey, Ned, we obviously love having you on and
and and it's not paddic mode because Freds not here?
Speaker 3 (36:19):
You mind? Hey, do you mind staying over for another segment?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I got more for you, man, No, no, we could
do that.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, absolutely all right, let's do that, Mad, We got
we got a lot more for you man. We can
always listen to you for hours and hours an hours,
So hang on.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
That's right.
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Our man in the big tier, Ned COLLETTI. Ned, you
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talk about this Toronto team, and one of the things
that keeps coming up is that they do a great job.
And you mentioned the difference between their five through nine
and Seattle's five through nine. If you look at it,
Seattle's five through nine with null and void and Toronto's
came to play and they what they do well is
they put the ball in play, also featuring that as
(38:35):
well as well as they do. What else has to
happen for Toronto for this to be a successful series for.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Them, Well, I think a lot of it will will
go one way or the other, depending on when they
can get the Dodgers starters out of the game. Toronto
can have more competitive at bets than anybody we've seen
throughout a lineup. Milwaukee, Philly, Cincinnati was a blink. Really
(39:01):
it was you know, you got past you got past
the top three. In Philly, you had six more guys
that are working to do much damage. And when you
think about it, three for thirty eight with the top
three and the losses didn't do much damage. You think
about Milwaukee, same thing. Holes in the lineup. Some Thinness
Dodgers feast on that. They will use pitches, many pitches
(39:22):
sometimes to get through the big hitters in the lineup.
But when you've got three or four soft spots in
the lineup, you get that those pitches back because you're
getting one, two, three pitches, you're done with the next
guy to move on. Toronto's going to be a little
bit more challenging for that. I think we'll know early
if they're anxious. I mean, you think about it, it's
(39:44):
a big game, as good as grow is and as
good as the sheet is, and on and on. For
that team they're playing the World Series is the first
time for them and they're at home. So is there
going to be some anxiousness early? Which will save Blake
Snell ten pitches fifteen pitches which means another ending a
time for him. I think Toronto's gonna, as I said earlier,
They're gonna have to play it almost perfectly. Every pitch,
(40:07):
every at bat is gonna have to be really thought
about as they do it. And can they do that?
I mean that takes extreme talent. But see that's one
of the things that I think makes the Dodgers so
effective offensively. They rarely and the bigger the game, the
less chase they have. So I said earlier, if Toronto's
(40:28):
pitchers are gonna nibble, and except for Savage, a kid
that went from from Low Way to the big leagues
this year to opening night starter, they got Nibbless Gosman
good pitcher, they a good pitcher, metschers or Hall of Famer,
those guys nibble at the stage. You're not gonna be
able to get away with that with the Dodgers. They
will run those guys out of games. So it's gonna
(40:48):
be tough for Toronto to pitch with them. So they're
gonna have to score, and you're gonna have to score
by really getting into the part of the Dodger bullpen
that everybody was up in arms about most of the season.
But you haven't seen much of in the month of October.
They have been going to seven or eight the starters
and you got Vessia good. Okay, you got Sasaki good,
(41:11):
you got Blake Tringam from time to time good. But
you're not going to getting deep into that pen. You've
got to give Toronto's gonna win this thing, or they're
gonna compete with h and win a couple of games.
At least, They're gonna have to get into the other
part of the pen that we haven't seen much of
this October, and the only way they can do that
is to really have great at bets, especially against against
(41:34):
Snell and Yamamoto. Their stuff is so filthy that it
looks like one pitch for fifty five feet and the
last five feet it's a totally different pitch that you
thought it was the first fifty five and that is
unique ability. But that's what they're gonna have to do.
Speaker 4 (41:49):
Ned.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
What about the managerial matchup in this series. You've seen
some great ones, You've been around some of the best,
and how impressive have you been with Dave Roberts in
just getting them to lock into this too, Because we
talked about it all season long, while the Dodgers have
issues with the sense of urgency or a lack thereof
the bullpen. They get into the playoffs, he says, go hunt.
(42:10):
And they've lost one game so far in the postseason.
Speaker 5 (42:13):
Now, I have so much respect for Dave Roberts. He
does not have an easy job. Managing for any team
is not easy, but especially when you have the expectation
that this organization has had for a long long time now.
And how he does it and how he goes about
it is calm. He's collected, and he really has a
(42:37):
I think a tremendous amount of people's skill wisdom to him.
I have so much respect for him. I get upset
when people start to take shots at him. I know
it's part of the gig, but you know, to do
what he's done. And sure, he's got talent, he's got
a big payroll that they give him, so to speak,
to work with talent wise, but hey, look to the
(42:57):
history of the game. Not all the team that had
that spend the most win the most. But that's the expectation,
and that's what he's done. I think he's got these
guys ready. I think he keeps them accountable. I think
he also knows when he really needs them to be accountable.
And when you're talking about August or early September, you know,
(43:18):
that's a different dynamic than it is a twenty second,
twenty third day of October. I think he manages it
all very very very well.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Yeah, I agree, And he doesn't.
Speaker 1 (43:29):
He doesn't get always get the credit that he deserves
in managing this, not only the lineup and the talent,
but also the egos and everything that comes along.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
With Oh yeah, yeah, it's winning.
Speaker 5 (43:42):
And leading. Leading and winning organization is not easy, especially
in the seat that he sits in. So you know,
I have you know, we've talked about that on the
show now for a handful of years. Ri. You know,
it upsets me when people take him the cask well
he did this, he did that. You know, Oh wait
a minute, you know what. Look at other franchises that
(44:03):
have been tremendous for years and then they become mediocre,
or then they struggle, or then they they drop out
a side for a minute. He's never done that. This
group has never done that under his leadership.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
Once ned before we let you go, Speaking of managers,
the Giants decided they were going to go to the
college ranks and get Tony Battello from Tennessee. They won
a college World Series last year. Now he's the new
manager of the Giants. Your thoughts on that move and
(44:37):
then a manager head coach coming from college to managing
the big leagues man the challenge of that.
Speaker 5 (44:44):
Well, I don't think it will land in the middle.
I think it'll be very good or it'll be a
one time experiment. I think, you know, his record is
very very good. I know people who's who represent players
that have played under him, and you know, and they
love this guy. But it's a different dynamic, plus the
grind of a big league season versus college. I mean
(45:06):
it's three times the games. And yeah, college as nil
right now, but they don't have thirty five million dollar
players in nil. So it'll be a different dynamic. And
I think the a lot of times, and it'll be
it'll really be be gaged by how long and every
team faces adversity to a course of a season, how
(45:27):
long their adversity lasts when they when they go through it,
because they're going to go through it, and do the
players say, what does this guy know? He's never played
a minute of professional baseball. Look at what I've done,
look at what he's done. It's always a challenge for
those who have not played the game at the highest level,
let alone inside the arena of professional sport for that
(45:50):
particular sport. But other than that, I think it's a
I think it's a very very shrewd and sharp move
and it's got a chance to be revolutionary in it.
You've picked the right person for it to be. You've
in a lot of different ways. His character is enthusiasm.
You know, one of his strengths has been recruiting. Well,
(46:12):
you know, except to get on a phone call with
a free agent, you're not gonna be able to do that. So,
you know, it's one of his great strengths has been recruiting.
So that has been a little bit watered down in
this particular role. But I think it'll either be really
good or it'll be a one time experiment. I think
people be watching it all ye along. Doctor Giants also
(46:32):
spending like probably eleven to twelve million dollars on that
position this coming season. They they all Melvin four. They
had to pay Tennessee three to get him out of
his contract, and he was making three. So he's not
making three Stow, you know he's probably making four. So
you probably had eleven million for this season to pay
(46:53):
to take this route. Yeah, you know, I guess they
can't get free agents to come there, so I guess
this is a the next best thing that an interesting study.
Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, well, yeah, well I agree with you. It's either
going to be hot or cold. And we'll know soon,
right because we you know, baseball is a long season,
but if you get off to a bad start, it
becomes a very short season for some.
Speaker 5 (47:17):
Oh yeah, and won't be as many people as good
as Tennessee has been, including a national championship, Not as
many people have been watching that as watching we watching
the Giants play, so shooting he will be a lot
a lot different. But you know what, he's got the
character to do it. We'll see, and he's got the
smarts to do it. We'll see if he can.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
Yeah, well, Nett, you always have the smarts, man, And
I thank you for for extending your stay with us.
Always welcome, We always love hearing from you.
Speaker 3 (47:44):
Man. Thank you so much. Brother.
Speaker 5 (47:46):
I'm honored to be with you, guys. I love talking ball,
I love doing it doing it with you guys. Thank
you ed.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
Many thanks to our man, our good friend net Coletti,
who sat in that big tier and knows baseball better
than anybody there, so we always appreciate when he joins us.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
Wait a second, Freddy can't come in to work today,
but Ned can come on for two segments. How about
that save in the day and remember from the field
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