October 23, 2025 • 33 mins
Vinny Bonsignore talks Chargers-Vikings tonight, the Raiders' struggles and more. Its Lit features a scathing update in the NBA/FBI scandal plus news on Ohtani from Toronto.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh yes, let's continue on on this throwback Thursday. Boy,
we having a good time and the time is flying
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Fred Rogan, Oh god, it's lit here. Oh it's good
with you man. It's always good to have you in here.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We just roll. Hey, we don't give a you know what,
We just.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Oh, it's like Friday. We don't care that here.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, hey, but check this out. It's time for the
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As we get ready for Game one tomorrow night, there
is a game tonight in that other league called the NFL.
Let's bring on our NFL insider, our man, Benny bonsignor Vincenzo.
What is happening?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
What's going on, gentlemen?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
And what a better time for the Chargers than to
try to get things right against kind of a wounded
Vikings team. That's that's coming to SOFI Stadium. You know,
Jaj McCarthy's not going to go today, so it's back
to Carson Wentz who hasn't been playing good football. So
this feels like right for the Chargers to get right
at least for one night.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, and Bennie Adam and I were just talking about
this before he brought you on, of just how certain
careers happen. And I've been a I want to say
a victim. I don't know. I'm never a victim. I
don't ever consider myself a victim. But in a circumstance
where you get hurt, right, he was on his way
a few years back and it happened at the Coliseum
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where he got hurt on his way to winning. He
was about to win the NFL MVP that year. And
I think it's week thirteen or fourteen, one of those
we late in the season against the Rams. Philadelphia goes
on with Nick Foles to win the Super Bowl and
Carson Wentz is never the same again. And like you said,
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he's been struggling with Minnesota, He's bounced to different teams,
but man, what a what a different career path that
would have been had he stayed healthy and gone on
to be the Super Bowl quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
At that time, well, can I tell you a couple
of quick stories about that whole thing? Yeah, all right,
Number one, if you remember, the Rams were deciding between
Carson Wentz and Jared Goff, right, yes, right. In fact,
when the Rams traded to the number one pick, I
was like, so it's you know, through my sources, it's
it's Carson Wentz. I just assumed they were taking Carson Wentz.
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They're like, eh, not so quick. So they ended up
taking Jared Goff. And I remember having a conversation with
Let's Need, their general manager a couple of years later,
and we were talking about that. In fact, we were
in Baltimore and the Rams were getting ready to play
Lamar Jackson in the preseason, and the one thing that
that Les was talking about was, you know, man, you
know Lamar runs, he's a great quarterback, but man, I
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worry about the injuries. And so he went back to
tell me how when it was Carson Wentz and Jared Goff,
they went way back in Carson Wentz's career and they
just he was the guy that would run through the
little league, you know, fence to go to go catch
a fly ball and get hurt.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
So it was just it was it was even in
North Dakota State. He got hurt, you know, a couple
of times. So that was really the reason why, you know,
they didn't they didn't draft Carson Wentz and they went
with Jared Goff because they just foresaw an injury issue. Now,
fast forward to that Philadelphia Eagles game that you're talking about,
and I don't know if you guys remember this, but
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there's a third down play that the Raider the Rams
stopped the Eagles on the third down, but there was
a flag for taunting by by one of the Rams
cornerbacks and the irony of all that and that's that
gave the Eagles an extra set of downs, which a
couple of plays later was when Carson Wentz got hurt.
If that penalty never gets called, that injury may never happen.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Now.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
The reason I say that is earlier in that drive,
the referee came over to Sean McVay to talk about, Hey,
there's there's a cornerback on your team that's John and
up with I think it was a keep to leave
was or not to keep to leave. But the Antoine
Bolden might have been the wide receiver for the Eagles
at the time, and they were John. They were actually
good friends, but they were John referees like, you got
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to shut him up.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You got to shut him up.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And Sean McVay said, just tell me who it is
and I'll talk to him, you know, over on the sidelines,
and he goes, okay, you guys, I promise you I'll
get it under control. Well, the referee never allowed the
the you know, Sean to talk to the to the
cornerback off the field. After the drive, he just throws
the flag maybe on the next player or the play
after that, which is what extended that drive. So had
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the referee just just just listen to Sean McVay and
schell McVay going to get it taken care of on
the sidelines rather than throw that flag, who knows what
could have happened with Carson Wentz, because you're right, he
was on an MVP uh you know caliber arc that year.
The Eagles ended up winning the Super Bowl without him, obviously,
but who knows if that drive doesn't get extended, what
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the career turns out to be for Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Speaking of injuries here, Vinnie, as we push forward to
tonight's game, Chargers hosting the Vikings. Is the Chargers in
their issues right now? Losing three or four? Is it
just about injuries? Are there other things going on for
the slip is year?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I mean, I think injuries have played a role on that.
But you know, everybody gets hurt, you know, in the
in the NFL, and so you can't be so fragile
and so vulnerable that when some injuries occur you're just
going to kind of fold sort of the way the
right there that the Chargers have. So it's it's part
of the excuse or the explanation. But but you know,
(05:59):
you can't. You can only take that so far. You know,
justin Herbert's obviously getting beat up. That's never good. But
he's got to rise above that and figure out a
way they got you collectively say, look, we're not gonna
let those injuries be our crutch, you know, be our explanation,
be our excuse again, because it always seems like there's
an excuse for the Chargers year after year after year.
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The good teams and the great teams rise above even
some injuries, and the Chargers, you know, have to have
to be able to do that. And today is a
good year. Tonight, it's a really good opportunity for them
to do that. But if they lose again tonight, man,
that's going to create some issues in the locker room
and for that team.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah yeah, Vinny, I mean you said it. It feels
like every year there is something that happens to the
Chargers that don't allow them to get over that hump.
And it doesn't matter the coach, uh, you know it,
it's just whether it's injuries like you mentioned, there's there's
injuries on every single team, but it seems that the
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Chargers have key ones that really affect them. Look, it's
offensive line this year for the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah all.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And now you know you're asking justin Herbert because they've
been behind a lot lately, but you're asking them to
throw the ball forty five fifty times a game. That's
just not that's not winning football. You can't do that
in the NFL. I know it sounds good. I know
everybody thinks that that the good teams throw it that much.
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They really don't. There's some sort of balance, there's some
sort of balance, and the Chargers have been doing that
and it hasn't the same. It just feels also that
they and I don't know if it's you know, injury related.
I know that's a factor, but they just are not
really in sync to the point where you think a
hardball led team with a veteran quarterback would be right now.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah, that is a little bit of a surprise. Ki
is usually you know, his teams have greenness, you know,
and have the ability to overcome, you know, obstacles like
this is it's interesting when we talk about injuries, especially
in the NFL and having this conversation with Tim Kelly
a couple of weeks ago and the drastic differences between
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college rosters and NFL rosters, and he was saying like, look,
once you make your cuts from you know, eighty to
fifty three, you start looking around, like where'd all my
tackles go? You know, where are all my wide receivers? You
go from fifteen at a certain position to four, six,
you know seven, you know, eight offensive lineman is usually
the most. Eight or nine sometimes is the most. That's
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not a lot of numbers. So when you do get
hurt in the NFL, especially at a position like the
offensive line, where there's usually a pretty big drop off
between your starters and and your backups. You get thin
in a hurry at some of those positions, and certainly
the Chargers are an embodiment of that right now. But
to your point, everybody does get hurt. Teams all across
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the league are dealing with injuries, and some teams are
just bettery equipped to deal with them and others aren't.
And and I'm with you, I think a Jim Harbaugh
coach team usually is a little bit tougher and more
resilient than what the Charges have shown, at least up
until this week.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Then you bring up Chip Kelly there, I know the
Raiders run a bye. What's the thing they need to
work on most during this week off? How do they
find some positives here? Because the outcomes are looking pretty bleak.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, they aren't a historically bad performance of Kansa Kansas
City Chiefs. I mean that was that if there's a
if there's a Hall of Fame for dubiousness, that that
game plan or that box score should be in there
because you look at it and you're going, this can't
be You're real thirty first downs to three.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's not real, is it? And and it all was.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Real, I know because I sat there and watched it
live in Kansas City, and I just could not believe
what I was seeing. So, you know how sometimes they say, oh,
the bye week comes at a good time or a
bad time. You would think after a loss like that,
the buye would be a good time, but I think
it's actually bad because you've got to kind of sit
and dwell on that kind of a performance, and you
(10:10):
ask where the answers are? And talking to Mark Davis
this week at the NFL owners meetings, you know he
wants answers, you know, And he told me that, you know,
there were people within the organization. I'm assuming it was
coaches and maybe some executives that that put the team
together that apologize to him after the Kansasity chiefs lots
and he goes, I don't want apologies, I want answers. And
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it's hard to come up with answers without actually playing
in a game and finding out, hey, did we come
up with the right answers or not? And so they
have a couple of weeks to sit in this one
and dwell on it. And yes, they're going to try
to find answers during the bye week, but I you
know those are I don't. I don't know how you
bounce back from that. They were it was so bad
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on so many different levels that it almost felt like,
you know, they were underwater for most of that game
and getting back above water. That's going to be really difficult.
And I think it's almost to the point where the
Raiders have to kind of adjust or readjust what their
expectations are for this year. I know Pete Carroll talked about,
you know, I win ten games every year. That's what
I do, and I expect to win a bunch of
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games this year. I'm not so sure that that's even
in play for them anymore this year. It's going to
take a miraculous effort for them to do that. And
so he and the Raiders have to to kind of
reset their expectations on what they want, what they what
they feel could be a positive season for them, because
I think it's going to go that part of it
is probably not going to be represented in wins and losses.
(11:35):
It just seems like it's it's so far away right
now from from that. It's got to be progress with
your young players, and some of these guys on one
year deal showing that they should be here beyond this
just this year. If you want to kind of blow
it up maybe and and and you know, trade some
some of your star players and uh and try to
get some draft picks to help reset or accelerate the rebuild.
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Those are some questions that they're really gonna have to
ask themselves over these next few weeks.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Rodney, I thought he just said they lost the bye week.
That's what I heard from Vinnie, And that's how bad
things are for the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say anything. But I think I
woke up and looked at the standings and they were
actually two and six, not two and five. Yeah, so
maybe I wouldn't put it past them. I wouldn't put
it to actually lose again.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
But day.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But you're right though. Sometimes everybody say, well, the bye
week's coming at the right time. The bye week is
good for this. Oh, the bye week's bad because we
got momentum. We don't we want to keep playing. Yeah,
I'm not so sure. When you lose a game like
that thirty one or nothing to the to the Chiefs
and it's never good to sit there and let and
wallow in it for two weeks. It's a it's a
bad thing. Do you think there's any kind of buyer's
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remorse going on right now?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Vinnie?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
With with Pete Carroll and uh and Chip Kelly coming in,
because the expectations going into the season were very, very high,
including with Gino Smith. They got the right guy. They
finally got their quarterback, you know, in a position that
they struggled with for the last five years figuring out
since they left let Derek Cargo. They were like, Okay,
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we got to get our guy. We got this guy,
we got that guy. They've never really solidified anyone. And
then they got Gino in and it's like, okay, we
finally got our guy, we got our head coach, we
got our offensive coordinator, and yet things got worse. I mean,
what is the feeling you think that this is a
just a short term thing that they're going to get
passed with the same staff and same quarterback and same everything,
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or is this one is this didn't work out? We
got to make decisions right away.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, you know, it's interesting from that about that question,
is I can look at it from the other side
of it. And wonder is there's a buyer's remorse from
Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly's end of it, you know,
to take these jobs. Granted, chip Kelly's making six million dollars,
He's the highest STAD assistant coach in the NFL, so monetarily,
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this was a boon for him. But he left Ohio
state where you know, he could point to anybody and
whatever buttons he was pushing were the right buttons, because
the talent was so good there and and could have
set himself up for maybe a better job down the road,
maybe even in the NFL. Does he regret, you know,
taking this job? Does does Pete Carroll regret coming out
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of whatever quasi retirement he was he was in, uh,
you know, to come here with the Raiders only to
find out that, man, this is this is a lot,
this is this is this is a bigger job than
I thought it was to try to get this turned around.
And I would hate for you know, his his legacy
to be tarnished by this. I'm not gonna I know
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what the Raiders are up against, you know, and and
some of the bad decisions that have made and where
this thing is and how long it's probably gonna take
to get it right. I just hope that he doesn't suffer,
the legacy doesn't suffer, because you know, because that's going
to be on his ledger. It's going to be on
his record. So uh, I don't I don't know if
there's buyers remorse from the Raiders end of it yet,
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but I do wonder if there's some remorse, you know,
from from the coaches that that came out of retirement
or left a great program like Ohio State to take
this over only to find out that they're way, way
further back than they thought they were.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, another team of Bennie. Before we let you go
talk about the Rams and where where they are. It
feels you know, they're they're what a couple of plays
from being undefeated.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
They they they're going to win the bye week.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
They're gonna win the bye week for sure. The state
of the Rams. Is this a good time for them
because they can get some guys healthy as well.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah they can, and you know they they might as
well have a buye coming out of a break they play.
They host the Saints on November on November tecond So yeah,
they're probably going to win that by week as well.
But then it gets pretty tough.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
You know, they go to the forty nine ers, and
I'm sure they're eagerly waiting to get back.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
On the field against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
They kind of believe that was one of the games
you're talking about that play here or play there, and
they should have won that game. And then and then
it's back home against the Seahawks and then the Buccaneers.
So these next four games after they get out of
the bye week, uh, to me or it's just a
great opportunity for them to really create some distance between
themselves and the rest of the AFC or the NFC West.
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And then also if they could beat the Buccaneers at
the team that you know they might be looking at
in terms of playoff seedings.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Down the road.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And and then after that it's the Panthers and the
Cardinals and those are two easily winnable games. So this
is this, this next one is that six games or so,
the Rams have a real opportunity to to to really
solidify themselves and I think I think they could beat
any team that they play against, I don't care a FC,
NFC and wherever it is, as long as they take
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care of business holding on to the football. They got
to get the kicking game, you know, in order you
hope that that games don't come down to that. And
it is the NFL and they use we do, so
they got to be a little bit worried about about
what they are special teams wise. But but I look
at this team and I see a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Uh, Vinnie, always a pleasure man, always always bringing the
insight when it comes to the NFL and everything culture
as well, Vinnie, being now that you're in Vegas, you
got everything coming to you.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
So always good to seen an NBA players there lately.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh whoa, whoa, whoa, that's wild whoa whoa, yeah, whoa time.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
By the way, but by the way, the cornerback on
the Rams was Tremaine Johnson. I distinctly remember that it
was Tremaine Johnson who got that flat called on him.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So that's right.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Oh boy, I'm sure Carson Wentz that never wants to
even though he got hurt scoring a touchdown too.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
That was the other part of the irony.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So craz well crazy Vinnie, Thanks again man, Always a
pleasure brother.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
All right, take care guys, have a great shown.
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Speaker 3 (18:48):
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and you know what time it is, Kevin come on.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Yeah guys. So you know we opened the show talking
about the FBI staying investigation wherever you want to call it.
They arrested Chauncey Billups as part of this gambling situation.
Terry Rogier, who was previously investigated and then cleared by
the NBA, was also arrested by the FEDS. And Brian
Windhorst of the Four Letter was a guest on Rich
Eisen's radio shot earlier today, and he dropped a bomb
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that I certainly had not heard from another source when
it comes to this matter. He says, according to his sources,
Terry Rozier wasn't even actually injured. He actually was pulled
by the NBA, who was aware of this whole investigation.
I'll let you, I'll play the entire clip of Brian Windhorston.
What do you have to say when he came to
the situation and then't let you guys react to it.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
The sportsbooks caught the irregular, irregular betting on terrose Year
the day it happened, the morning it happened, when all
of a sudden, there was hundreds of thousands of dollars
coming in on terror rose Year unders for a relatively
meaningless game in November, I'm sorry, in March, involving the
Charlotte Hornets. The sportsbooks caught it. They told the NBA
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right away. And guess what. The NBA Rozier didn't play
the rest of the season, and he had faked the injury,
so it wasn't because of the injury the NBA pulled him.
They pulled John tay Porter too. They flagged Johnte Porter
and pulled Johntay Porter. The NBA's protection measures, the sportsbooks
protection measure.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
It's triggered this.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
They caught it. The issue I think is, you know,
John tay Porter, they caught convicted and tossed him out
of the league within weeks. Rogier didn't. And this in
this investigation, and I don't know if Terry rose Yer
is guilty. The NBA obviously didn't feel that he was.
They wouldn't let him play. But this indictment implies that
there was a swath of conspirators. There was like his cousin,
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his cousin's friend, I mean all the way down to
like low level guys who won money on this bet
and then immediately bet on other games and lost all
the money and had to tell other people, Man, I
lost the money off to get it to you. Like
my point about saying that is that there was a
wide swath of people who were benefiting from this inside
information on Rozier, according to the FEDS, and that the
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NBA either didn't discover that or knew about that and
cleared him. They're going to have to answer for me.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
So if this is true, this adds a whole nother layer.
It's basically in some ways David Stern in the conspiracy
theory back in ninety three that it wasn't MJ wanting
to leave and retire and go play baseball. A lot
of people suspect he was being suspended on the low
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key for gambling. If that's the reason that Terry Rozier
was actually out the rest of the year and he
wasn't actually hurt in the NBA just did a soft
suspension with him behind behind the scenes. That's revelatory.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That that's crazy, that that's a that's a bomb of bombshells.
If this turns out to be true, that not only
did they know about this and and Rosier was guilty
of this, but then they convinced him and everybody around
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him to go along with his story of faking an injury,
a foot injury that cost him the rest of the season.
That and and for for Wendy to put to put
this out, I mean, he's gonna stuck. He's not putting
it out unless he does his homework. And it's really
got some some meat behind that that if that's this
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turns to be true, this is an ugly, ugly scene
for the NBA they have to deal.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
With because that's his Spishon is all from that March
twenty third game of twenty twenty three. He only plays
ten minutes with the Hornets against New Orleans. They lose.
He only plays ten minutes, and all those bets were
coming in on Unders early on, almost like they knew
he wouldn't be in the game for long. And he
didn't play the rest of that.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Season, didn't play, didn't play.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Wow, fast moving story yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
It's like there's new layers to it every five minutes.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
It seems like like an onion. The more you peel it,
the more stinks.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
So we know Game one of the World Series is tomorrow.
They're having media days right now in Toronto for the
World Series show all the time. He just spoke about
fifteen twenty minutes ago. Nothing really of note that I
would say that he said. He did say he did
not have an opinion on the Kendrick Lamar versus Drake rivalry,
which apparently somebody here did not get into his ear.
They need to like know them, know what side you
need to be on there when it comes to that show.
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Also interesting which I didn't know about. And these things
happen when you take free agency visits and you're highly covided,
where front offices will give you gifts to try to
entice you to join their franchise. Apparently the Blue Jays
gifted Decoy his dog a jacket, a Blue Jay's jacket,
and apparently John Schneider jokingly asked, and maybe he was
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half jokingly, I'm not sure Otani to give it back
if he wasn't gonna sign and Otani said no, I
think I'm gonna keep it, and o Tony openly admitted, Yeah,
I kept the jacket.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I didn't give it back. It was a gift.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I dressed up my dog decoy for Halloween with it.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Me coming Toronto was a decoy. Right there you go.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
That's why he named his dog that right.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, it was never on that plane. I don't
know what they're thinking about. Wow, that's interesting though. If
that's the case, and that's true, I like it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's some. That's some.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's some what they call stones from Oltani say, I
ain't given that bat was a gift?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
What are you doing? I ain't giving that bat my dog.
This is the Dave Roberts energy. Why don't we ruin
baseball and win four more games? All right, we're gonna
lean in this villain.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You want to put us in. Gave me a gift.
What do you want me to give it back? Are
you kidding me? Hell no?
Speaker 6 (25:05):
I found this to be interesting. So Showy's former team,
the Angels, we know, hied Kurtsuzuki as their new manager,
but you know they gave him a one year contract.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I don't know if i've ever Ron, you've been in
sports for a long period of time, played for teams,
had friends around multiple leagues.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Have you ever heard of a head coach being hired
for one year?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And nanazi And I think said, oh, we're tied together.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Correct because vanaszi And has one year left on his
contract as general manager.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But still still I was a little shocked that Suzuki
even signed that contract, But I was not shocked. If
you like, close your eyes and your ears. He didn't
know which team did then yeah, and he just like, oh, hey,
there's a Major League Baseball team out there that signed
a manager to a one year contract, manager who you
(25:56):
actually like and played for you and all that you
signed him to a one year contract. What team would
do that.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Would have to be the most dysfunctional team that also
flies under the raidar on their own city because they
are usurped by the Dodgers, the Angels and Ardi Marino,
who I'm sure Angels fans wish was only on a
one year deal to be their owner moving forward.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
He should be regulated like they do in the Premier League.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I just how do you get the respect of your
players in the locker room when you only have a
one year contract? They know you're a lame duck as.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
A new day one, as a new guy coming in.
It's not like you're a manager that's already there and
your contract is up and they say, okay, different, we're
going to renew you for one year and see how
it goes. He's a guy, he's got to get the
rapport of the players. He's got to get the trust
of the players. And if you're a player and you're
not liking the way he is, the direction he's going,
are you really going to buy into what he's saying,
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you might.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
As well call it a managerial tryout for one year. Man,
that's all it is.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yea with you, Suzuki, I don't care what you say.
You're not gonna be here next.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Year to consider. Yeah, because his title was special assistant
to the general manager, Perry Manazzi, And so it makes
me wonder is he even getting a pay bump for this. Hey,
you're already on staff. We'll just don't go slaps the
tag manager on you, and you have to prestige of
being a major league manager.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
They don't have to read, we don't have to redo
any contracts. I just keep it going. It's perfect, straight
up Angels. Yeah, that's what's sliding up the headlines. Hey,
it's time for the World Series Dodgers Baseball. Tomorrow night,
the Dodgers take on Toronto Blue Jays for Game one
of the World Series. With first pitch at five. Listen
(27:33):
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Speaker 5 (27:53):
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Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's been good at him, it's been good. We chopped
it up about a bunch of different things. This whole
NBA thing though, NBA gambling situation, it's not going away
anytime soon. And did you feel because we talked about
this off air when this started and for years, even
(28:29):
going more than a year, decades and decades, going back
to the black socks, you know, the gambling part of
sports was always taboo. We could talk about it forever,
Black socks, Pete Rose, that whole situation, you know, that
didn't allow him to be in the Hall of Fame.
How taboo gambling was. And then the amount of money
(28:54):
that these sports leagues decided that they can make in
partnership with them. Did you not think that there's gonna
be a flip side to this. Oh yeah, it's gonna
be some ugly stuff going on or some things that
guys and and and and I'm not giving anybody a pass,
but when you if you're you got a sweet toe,
(29:17):
and every time you come home there's a big jar
of candy in front of you, and you're looking at it,
staring at it every single day, you're going to take
that jolly rancher from time to.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Time, especially if it's great flavor. I love that artificial grape.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Watermelon in there, and that's sour apple.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
They made a deal with the devil in some ways
by normalizing sports gambling, by gamifying it to this degree,
And maybe we're all guilty of it to some degree
because the money is good. But I think these are
the ramifications now that you wanted this and you got
in bed with something that was owners the cardinal sin
(30:01):
in taboo, as you mentioned earlier, And now this is
the fallout, and we'll see how far this goes. If
went Horse report is right that the NBA was covering
things up with Terry Rosier and he was faking the
injury and it was a quiet suspension behind the scenes.
If it was that clandestine, now there's a whole other
scandal they're gonna have to worry about. So I don't know,
(30:23):
sports talk radio, you guys got a month's worth of
content coming.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Field day field day, because that is if they I
don't even know how to say this. Yeah, it's bad.
If this is true with Terry Roseier and he took
himself out of the game to make sure that the
under was gonna happen. Bad, not good, deserves punishment whatever
(30:49):
it may be. But if you're the NBA and the
way you're going to cover this up is force a
guy or convince guy to fake an injury that's going
to keep him out the season in order for this
secret not to come out, that is to me ten
(31:11):
times worse. Well, and you know.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
What could happen next that could make this story more
explosive with the powder keg If, Terry Rozier or Chauncey
Billups or Damon Jones. If any of these guys are
guilty and they know it and they cut a deal
to lessen their sentence by outing other people, that's how
this story could really expand because a lot of people
(31:34):
are suspicious of Gilbert Arenas, who got busted for some
illegal back room gambling in July and he came out
and said, I ain't gonna be in court long because
I know I'll be snitching on everyone. He just he
said it out. Yeah, and he got out on bail
for fifty thousand dollars. And people think these are the
(31:55):
names he gave up. Now, so what if these people
give up more names? It's like, how far is this
going to go? That's what's fascinating about this story.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
It'll be uh And the fact that it's happening on
Game one in the NBA. How do you think they've
been sitting on this? Oh? The Feds, Yeah, they come
out Game one now the NBA.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
No, no, no, dunna here come to federal agents just waiting
for the opening of the NBA season. NBC's back. They
got all this coming, and now it's spoiled or I
don't know, become a different story.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
How much are they hoping that the World Series goes
seven games.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
We need a distraction, distract and deflect and deny all
of that, all of that, don't show the files.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Oh Adam you the man man. Thank you very much
for joining us, Thanks for having me, Ronnie Kevin, thank
you guys. Mantastic as usual, and that drops some money
on next We'll see you tomorrow.
Oh yes, let's continue on on this throwback Thursday. Boy,
we having a good time and the time is flying
already two hours down my man, Adam Austin and for
Fred Rogan, Oh god, it's lit here. Oh it's good
with you man. It's always good to have you in here.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We just roll. Hey, we don't give a you know what,
We just.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Oh, it's like Friday. We don't care that here.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hey, hey, but check this out. It's time for the
World Series Dodger Baseball. Tomorrow night, the Dodgers take on
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As we get ready for Game one tomorrow night, there
is a game tonight in that other league called the NFL.
Let's bring on our NFL insider, our man, Benny bonsignor Vincenzo.
What is happening?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
What's going on, gentlemen?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
And what a better time for the Chargers than to
try to get things right against kind of a wounded
Vikings team. That's that's coming to SOFI Stadium. You know,
Jaj McCarthy's not going to go today, so it's back
to Carson Wentz who hasn't been playing good football. So
this feels like right for the Chargers to get right
at least for one night.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, and Bennie Adam and I were just talking about
this before he brought you on, of just how certain
careers happen. And I've been a I want to say
a victim. I don't know. I'm never a victim. I
don't ever consider myself a victim. But in a circumstance
where you get hurt, right, he was on his way
a few years back and it happened at the Coliseum
(01:49):
where he got hurt on his way to winning. He
was about to win the NFL MVP that year. And
I think it's week thirteen or fourteen, one of those
we late in the season against the Rams. Philadelphia goes
on with Nick Foles to win the Super Bowl and
Carson Wentz is never the same again. And like you said,
(02:10):
he's been struggling with Minnesota, He's bounced to different teams,
but man, what a what a different career path that
would have been had he stayed healthy and gone on
to be the Super Bowl quarterback for the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
At that time, well, can I tell you a couple
of quick stories about that whole thing? Yeah, all right,
Number one, if you remember, the Rams were deciding between
Carson Wentz and Jared Goff, right, yes, right. In fact,
when the Rams traded to the number one pick, I
was like, so it's you know, through my sources, it's
it's Carson Wentz. I just assumed they were taking Carson Wentz.
(02:45):
They're like, eh, not so quick. So they ended up
taking Jared Goff. And I remember having a conversation with
Let's Need, their general manager a couple of years later,
and we were talking about that. In fact, we were
in Baltimore and the Rams were getting ready to play
Lamar Jackson in the preseason, and the one thing that
that Les was talking about was, you know, man, you
know Lamar runs, he's a great quarterback, but man, I
(03:07):
worry about the injuries. And so he went back to
tell me how when it was Carson Wentz and Jared Goff,
they went way back in Carson Wentz's career and they
just he was the guy that would run through the
little league, you know, fence to go to go catch
a fly ball and get hurt.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (03:26):
So it was just it was it was even in
North Dakota State. He got hurt, you know, a couple
of times. So that was really the reason why, you know,
they didn't they didn't draft Carson Wentz and they went
with Jared Goff because they just foresaw an injury issue. Now,
fast forward to that Philadelphia Eagles game that you're talking about,
and I don't know if you guys remember this, but
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there's a third down play that the Raider the Rams
stopped the Eagles on the third down, but there was
a flag for taunting by by one of the Rams
cornerbacks and the irony of all that and that's that
gave the Eagles an extra set of downs, which a
couple of plays later was when Carson Wentz got hurt.
If that penalty never gets called, that injury may never happen.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Now.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
The reason I say that is earlier in that drive,
the referee came over to Sean McVay to talk about, Hey,
there's there's a cornerback on your team that's John and
up with I think it was a keep to leave
was or not to keep to leave. But the Antoine
Bolden might have been the wide receiver for the Eagles
at the time, and they were John. They were actually
good friends, but they were John referees like, you got
(04:31):
to shut him up.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You got to shut him up.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And Sean McVay said, just tell me who it is
and I'll talk to him, you know, over on the sidelines,
and he goes, okay, you guys, I promise you I'll
get it under control. Well, the referee never allowed the
the you know, Sean to talk to the to the
cornerback off the field. After the drive, he just throws
the flag maybe on the next player or the play
after that, which is what extended that drive. So had
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the referee just just just listen to Sean McVay and
schell McVay going to get it taken care of on
the sidelines rather than throw that flag, who knows what
could have happened with Carson Wentz, because you're right, he
was on an MVP uh you know caliber arc that year.
The Eagles ended up winning the Super Bowl without him, obviously,
but who knows if that drive doesn't get extended, what
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the career turns out to be for Carson Wentz.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Speaking of injuries here, Vinnie, as we push forward to
tonight's game, Chargers hosting the Vikings. Is the Chargers in
their issues right now? Losing three or four? Is it
just about injuries? Are there other things going on for
the slip is year?
Speaker 4 (05:37):
I mean, I think injuries have played a role on that.
But you know, everybody gets hurt, you know, in the
in the NFL, and so you can't be so fragile
and so vulnerable that when some injuries occur you're just
going to kind of fold sort of the way the
right there that the Chargers have. So it's it's part
of the excuse or the explanation. But but you know,
(05:59):
you can't. You can only take that so far. You know,
justin Herbert's obviously getting beat up. That's never good. But
he's got to rise above that and figure out a
way they got you collectively say, look, we're not gonna
let those injuries be our crutch, you know, be our explanation,
be our excuse again, because it always seems like there's
an excuse for the Chargers year after year after year.
(06:22):
The good teams and the great teams rise above even
some injuries, and the Chargers, you know, have to have
to be able to do that. And today is a
good year. Tonight, it's a really good opportunity for them
to do that. But if they lose again tonight, man,
that's going to create some issues in the locker room
and for that team.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah yeah, Vinny, I mean you said it. It feels
like every year there is something that happens to the
Chargers that don't allow them to get over that hump.
And it doesn't matter the coach, uh, you know it,
it's just whether it's injuries like you mentioned, there's there's
injuries on every single team, but it seems that the
(07:00):
Chargers have key ones that really affect them. Look, it's
offensive line this year for the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Yeah all.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And now you know you're asking justin Herbert because they've
been behind a lot lately, but you're asking them to
throw the ball forty five fifty times a game. That's
just not that's not winning football. You can't do that
in the NFL. I know it sounds good. I know
everybody thinks that that the good teams throw it that much.
(07:26):
They really don't. There's some sort of balance, there's some
sort of balance, and the Chargers have been doing that
and it hasn't the same. It just feels also that
they and I don't know if it's you know, injury related.
I know that's a factor, but they just are not
really in sync to the point where you think a
hardball led team with a veteran quarterback would be right now.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Yeah, that is a little bit of a surprise. Ki
is usually you know, his teams have greenness, you know,
and have the ability to overcome, you know, obstacles like
this is it's interesting when we talk about injuries, especially
in the NFL and having this conversation with Tim Kelly
a couple of weeks ago and the drastic differences between
(08:09):
college rosters and NFL rosters, and he was saying like, look,
once you make your cuts from you know, eighty to
fifty three, you start looking around, like where'd all my
tackles go? You know, where are all my wide receivers? You
go from fifteen at a certain position to four, six,
you know seven, you know, eight offensive lineman is usually
the most. Eight or nine sometimes is the most. That's
(08:32):
not a lot of numbers. So when you do get
hurt in the NFL, especially at a position like the
offensive line, where there's usually a pretty big drop off
between your starters and and your backups. You get thin
in a hurry at some of those positions, and certainly
the Chargers are an embodiment of that right now. But
to your point, everybody does get hurt. Teams all across
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the league are dealing with injuries, and some teams are
just bettery equipped to deal with them and others aren't.
And and I'm with you, I think a Jim Harbaugh
coach team usually is a little bit tougher and more
resilient than what the Charges have shown, at least up
until this week.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Then you bring up Chip Kelly there, I know the
Raiders run a bye. What's the thing they need to
work on most during this week off? How do they
find some positives here? Because the outcomes are looking pretty bleak.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
Yeah, they aren't a historically bad performance of Kansa Kansas
City Chiefs. I mean that was that if there's a
if there's a Hall of Fame for dubiousness, that that
game plan or that box score should be in there
because you look at it and you're going, this can't
be You're real thirty first downs to three.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That's not real, is it? And and it all was.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Real, I know because I sat there and watched it
live in Kansas City, and I just could not believe
what I was seeing. So, you know how sometimes they say, oh,
the bye week comes at a good time or a
bad time. You would think after a loss like that,
the buye would be a good time, but I think
it's actually bad because you've got to kind of sit
and dwell on that kind of a performance, and you
(10:10):
ask where the answers are? And talking to Mark Davis
this week at the NFL owners meetings, you know he
wants answers, you know, And he told me that, you know,
there were people within the organization. I'm assuming it was
coaches and maybe some executives that that put the team
together that apologize to him after the Kansasity chiefs lots
and he goes, I don't want apologies, I want answers. And
(10:31):
it's hard to come up with answers without actually playing
in a game and finding out, hey, did we come
up with the right answers or not? And so they
have a couple of weeks to sit in this one
and dwell on it. And yes, they're going to try
to find answers during the bye week, but I you
know those are I don't. I don't know how you
bounce back from that. They were it was so bad
(10:53):
on so many different levels that it almost felt like,
you know, they were underwater for most of that game
and getting back above water. That's going to be really difficult.
And I think it's almost to the point where the
Raiders have to kind of adjust or readjust what their
expectations are for this year. I know Pete Carroll talked about,
you know, I win ten games every year. That's what
I do, and I expect to win a bunch of
(11:14):
games this year. I'm not so sure that that's even
in play for them anymore this year. It's going to
take a miraculous effort for them to do that. And
so he and the Raiders have to to kind of
reset their expectations on what they want, what they what
they feel could be a positive season for them, because
I think it's going to go that part of it
is probably not going to be represented in wins and losses.
(11:35):
It just seems like it's it's so far away right
now from from that. It's got to be progress with
your young players, and some of these guys on one
year deal showing that they should be here beyond this
just this year. If you want to kind of blow
it up maybe and and and you know, trade some
some of your star players and uh and try to
get some draft picks to help reset or accelerate the rebuild.
(12:00):
Those are some questions that they're really gonna have to
ask themselves over these next few weeks.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Rodney, I thought he just said they lost the bye week.
That's what I heard from Vinnie, And that's how bad
things are for the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Yeah, I'm not gonna say anything. But I think I
woke up and looked at the standings and they were
actually two and six, not two and five. Yeah, so
maybe I wouldn't put it past them. I wouldn't put
it to actually lose again.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
But day.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
But you're right though. Sometimes everybody say, well, the bye
week's coming at the right time. The bye week is
good for this. Oh, the bye week's bad because we
got momentum. We don't we want to keep playing. Yeah,
I'm not so sure. When you lose a game like
that thirty one or nothing to the to the Chiefs
and it's never good to sit there and let and
wallow in it for two weeks. It's a it's a
bad thing. Do you think there's any kind of buyer's
(12:45):
remorse going on right now?
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Vinnie?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
With with Pete Carroll and uh and Chip Kelly coming in,
because the expectations going into the season were very, very high,
including with Gino Smith. They got the right guy. They
finally got their quarterback, you know, in a position that
they struggled with for the last five years figuring out
since they left let Derek Cargo. They were like, Okay,
(13:08):
we got to get our guy. We got this guy,
we got that guy. They've never really solidified anyone. And
then they got Gino in and it's like, okay, we
finally got our guy, we got our head coach, we
got our offensive coordinator, and yet things got worse. I mean,
what is the feeling you think that this is a
just a short term thing that they're going to get
passed with the same staff and same quarterback and same everything,
(13:33):
or is this one is this didn't work out? We
got to make decisions right away.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Well, you know, it's interesting from that about that question,
is I can look at it from the other side
of it. And wonder is there's a buyer's remorse from
Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly's end of it, you know,
to take these jobs. Granted, chip Kelly's making six million dollars,
He's the highest STAD assistant coach in the NFL, so monetarily,
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this was a boon for him. But he left Ohio
state where you know, he could point to anybody and
whatever buttons he was pushing were the right buttons, because
the talent was so good there and and could have
set himself up for maybe a better job down the road,
maybe even in the NFL. Does he regret, you know,
taking this job? Does does Pete Carroll regret coming out
(14:21):
of whatever quasi retirement he was he was in, uh,
you know, to come here with the Raiders only to
find out that, man, this is this is a lot,
this is this is this is a bigger job than
I thought it was to try to get this turned around.
And I would hate for you know, his his legacy
to be tarnished by this. I'm not gonna I know
(14:42):
what the Raiders are up against, you know, and and
some of the bad decisions that have made and where
this thing is and how long it's probably gonna take
to get it right. I just hope that he doesn't suffer,
the legacy doesn't suffer, because you know, because that's going
to be on his ledger. It's going to be on
his record. So uh, I don't I don't know if
there's buyers remorse from the Raiders end of it yet,
(15:03):
but I do wonder if there's some remorse, you know,
from from the coaches that that came out of retirement
or left a great program like Ohio State to take
this over only to find out that they're way, way
further back than they thought they were.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Yeah, another team of Bennie. Before we let you go
talk about the Rams and where where they are. It
feels you know, they're they're what a couple of plays
from being undefeated.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
They they they're going to win the bye week.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
They're gonna win the bye week for sure. The state
of the Rams. Is this a good time for them
because they can get some guys healthy as well.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Yeah they can, and you know they they might as
well have a buye coming out of a break they play.
They host the Saints on November on November tecond So yeah,
they're probably going to win that by week as well.
But then it gets pretty tough.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
You know, they go to the forty nine ers, and
I'm sure they're eagerly waiting to get back.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
On the field against the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
They kind of believe that was one of the games
you're talking about that play here or play there, and
they should have won that game. And then and then
it's back home against the Seahawks and then the Buccaneers.
So these next four games after they get out of
the bye week, uh, to me or it's just a
great opportunity for them to really create some distance between
themselves and the rest of the AFC or the NFC West.
(16:20):
And then also if they could beat the Buccaneers at
the team that you know they might be looking at
in terms of playoff seedings.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Down the road.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
And and then after that it's the Panthers and the
Cardinals and those are two easily winnable games. So this
is this, this next one is that six games or so,
the Rams have a real opportunity to to to really
solidify themselves and I think I think they could beat
any team that they play against, I don't care a FC,
NFC and wherever it is, as long as they take
(16:50):
care of business holding on to the football. They got
to get the kicking game, you know, in order you
hope that that games don't come down to that. And
it is the NFL and they use we do, so
they got to be a little bit worried about about
what they are special teams wise. But but I look
at this team and I see a Super Bowl contender.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
Uh, Vinnie, always a pleasure man, always always bringing the
insight when it comes to the NFL and everything culture
as well, Vinnie, being now that you're in Vegas, you
got everything coming to you.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
So always good to seen an NBA players there lately.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Oh whoa, whoa, whoa, that's wild whoa whoa, yeah, whoa time.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
By the way, but by the way, the cornerback on
the Rams was Tremaine Johnson. I distinctly remember that it
was Tremaine Johnson who got that flat called on him.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
So that's right.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Oh boy, I'm sure Carson Wentz that never wants to
even though he got hurt scoring a touchdown too.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
That was the other part of the irony.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
So craz well crazy Vinnie, Thanks again man, Always a
pleasure brother.
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All right, take care guys, have a great shown.
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Brother, It's a throwback Thursday.
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Why not?
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Speaker 1 (19:14):
Oh yeah, let's go. We keep it moving on a
throwback Thursday Adam Auslin and from a man Fred Rogan
and you know what time it is, Kevin come on.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
Yeah guys. So you know we opened the show talking
about the FBI staying investigation wherever you want to call it.
They arrested Chauncey Billups as part of this gambling situation.
Terry Rogier, who was previously investigated and then cleared by
the NBA, was also arrested by the FEDS. And Brian
Windhorst of the Four Letter was a guest on Rich
Eisen's radio shot earlier today, and he dropped a bomb
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that I certainly had not heard from another source when
it comes to this matter. He says, according to his sources,
Terry Rozier wasn't even actually injured. He actually was pulled
by the NBA, who was aware of this whole investigation.
I'll let you, I'll play the entire clip of Brian Windhorston.
What do you have to say when he came to
the situation and then't let you guys react to it.
Speaker 7 (20:07):
The sportsbooks caught the irregular, irregular betting on terrose Year
the day it happened, the morning it happened, when all
of a sudden, there was hundreds of thousands of dollars
coming in on terror rose Year unders for a relatively
meaningless game in November, I'm sorry, in March, involving the
Charlotte Hornets. The sportsbooks caught it. They told the NBA
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right away. And guess what. The NBA Rozier didn't play
the rest of the season, and he had faked the injury,
so it wasn't because of the injury the NBA pulled him.
They pulled John tay Porter too. They flagged Johnte Porter
and pulled Johntay Porter. The NBA's protection measures, the sportsbooks
protection measure.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
It's triggered this.
Speaker 7 (20:45):
They caught it. The issue I think is, you know,
John tay Porter, they caught convicted and tossed him out
of the league within weeks. Rogier didn't. And this in
this investigation, and I don't know if Terry rose Yer
is guilty. The NBA obviously didn't feel that he was.
They wouldn't let him play. But this indictment implies that
there was a swath of conspirators. There was like his cousin,
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his cousin's friend, I mean all the way down to
like low level guys who won money on this bet
and then immediately bet on other games and lost all
the money and had to tell other people, Man, I
lost the money off to get it to you. Like
my point about saying that is that there was a
wide swath of people who were benefiting from this inside
information on Rozier, according to the FEDS, and that the
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NBA either didn't discover that or knew about that and
cleared him. They're going to have to answer for me.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
So if this is true, this adds a whole nother layer.
It's basically in some ways David Stern in the conspiracy
theory back in ninety three that it wasn't MJ wanting
to leave and retire and go play baseball. A lot
of people suspect he was being suspended on the low
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key for gambling. If that's the reason that Terry Rozier
was actually out the rest of the year and he
wasn't actually hurt in the NBA just did a soft
suspension with him behind behind the scenes. That's revelatory.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
That that's crazy, that that's a that's a bomb of bombshells.
If this turns out to be true, that not only
did they know about this and and Rosier was guilty
of this, but then they convinced him and everybody around
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him to go along with his story of faking an injury,
a foot injury that cost him the rest of the season.
That and and for for Wendy to put to put
this out, I mean, he's gonna stuck. He's not putting
it out unless he does his homework. And it's really
got some some meat behind that that if that's this
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turns to be true, this is an ugly, ugly scene
for the NBA they have to deal.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
With because that's his Spishon is all from that March
twenty third game of twenty twenty three. He only plays
ten minutes with the Hornets against New Orleans. They lose.
He only plays ten minutes, and all those bets were
coming in on Unders early on, almost like they knew
he wouldn't be in the game for long. And he
didn't play the rest of that.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Season, didn't play, didn't play.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Wow, fast moving story yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
It's like there's new layers to it every five minutes.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
It seems like like an onion. The more you peel it,
the more stinks.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
So we know Game one of the World Series is tomorrow.
They're having media days right now in Toronto for the
World Series show all the time. He just spoke about
fifteen twenty minutes ago. Nothing really of note that I
would say that he said. He did say he did
not have an opinion on the Kendrick Lamar versus Drake rivalry,
which apparently somebody here did not get into his ear.
They need to like know them, know what side you
need to be on there when it comes to that show.
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Also interesting which I didn't know about. And these things
happen when you take free agency visits and you're highly covided,
where front offices will give you gifts to try to
entice you to join their franchise. Apparently the Blue Jays
gifted Decoy his dog a jacket, a Blue Jay's jacket,
and apparently John Schneider jokingly asked, and maybe he was
(24:12):
half jokingly, I'm not sure Otani to give it back
if he wasn't gonna sign and Otani said no, I
think I'm gonna keep it, and o Tony openly admitted, Yeah,
I kept the jacket.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
I didn't give it back. It was a gift.
Speaker 3 (24:24):
I dressed up my dog decoy for Halloween with it.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Me coming Toronto was a decoy. Right there you go.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
That's why he named his dog that right.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, yeah, it was never on that plane. I don't
know what they're thinking about. Wow, that's interesting though. If
that's the case, and that's true, I like it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's some. That's some.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
That's some what they call stones from Oltani say, I
ain't given that bat was a gift?
Speaker 3 (24:48):
What are you doing? I ain't giving that bat my dog.
This is the Dave Roberts energy. Why don't we ruin
baseball and win four more games? All right, we're gonna
lean in this villain.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You want to put us in. Gave me a gift.
What do you want me to give it back? Are
you kidding me? Hell no?
Speaker 6 (25:05):
I found this to be interesting. So Showy's former team,
the Angels, we know, hied Kurtsuzuki as their new manager,
but you know they gave him a one year contract.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
I don't know if i've ever Ron, you've been in
sports for a long period of time, played for teams,
had friends around multiple leagues.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Have you ever heard of a head coach being hired
for one year?
Speaker 2 (25:23):
You know?
Speaker 1 (25:24):
And nanazi And I think said, oh, we're tied together.
Speaker 6 (25:28):
Correct because vanaszi And has one year left on his
contract as general manager.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
But still still I was a little shocked that Suzuki
even signed that contract, But I was not shocked. If
you like, close your eyes and your ears. He didn't
know which team did then yeah, and he just like, oh, hey,
there's a Major League Baseball team out there that signed
a manager to a one year contract, manager who you
(25:56):
actually like and played for you and all that you
signed him to a one year contract. What team would
do that.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Would have to be the most dysfunctional team that also
flies under the raidar on their own city because they
are usurped by the Dodgers, the Angels and Ardi Marino,
who I'm sure Angels fans wish was only on a
one year deal to be their owner moving forward.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
He should be regulated like they do in the Premier League.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I just how do you get the respect of your
players in the locker room when you only have a
one year contract? They know you're a lame duck as.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
A new day one, as a new guy coming in.
It's not like you're a manager that's already there and
your contract is up and they say, okay, different, we're
going to renew you for one year and see how
it goes. He's a guy, he's got to get the
rapport of the players. He's got to get the trust
of the players. And if you're a player and you're
not liking the way he is, the direction he's going,
are you really going to buy into what he's saying,
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you might.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
As well call it a managerial tryout for one year. Man,
that's all it is.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yea with you, Suzuki, I don't care what you say.
You're not gonna be here next.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Year to consider. Yeah, because his title was special assistant
to the general manager, Perry Manazzi, And so it makes
me wonder is he even getting a pay bump for this. Hey,
you're already on staff. We'll just don't go slaps the
tag manager on you, and you have to prestige of
being a major league manager.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
They don't have to read, we don't have to redo
any contracts. I just keep it going. It's perfect, straight
up Angels. Yeah, that's what's sliding up the headlines. Hey,
it's time for the World Series Dodgers Baseball. Tomorrow night,
the Dodgers take on Toronto Blue Jays for Game one
of the World Series. With first pitch at five. Listen
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Sports right on my man, Adam Austin and for Fred
has been good man. We're gonna be back to wrap
it up here shortly.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
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Speaker 1 (28:07):
It's been good at him, it's been good. We chopped
it up about a bunch of different things. This whole
NBA thing though, NBA gambling situation, it's not going away
anytime soon. And did you feel because we talked about
this off air when this started and for years, even
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going more than a year, decades and decades, going back
to the black socks, you know, the gambling part of
sports was always taboo. We could talk about it forever,
Black socks, Pete Rose, that whole situation, you know, that
didn't allow him to be in the Hall of Fame.
How taboo gambling was. And then the amount of money
(28:54):
that these sports leagues decided that they can make in
partnership with them. Did you not think that there's gonna
be a flip side to this. Oh yeah, it's gonna
be some ugly stuff going on or some things that
guys and and and and I'm not giving anybody a pass,
but when you if you're you got a sweet toe,
(29:17):
and every time you come home there's a big jar
of candy in front of you, and you're looking at it,
staring at it every single day, you're going to take
that jolly rancher from time to.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Time, especially if it's great flavor. I love that artificial grape.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Watermelon in there, and that's sour apple.
Speaker 3 (29:38):
They made a deal with the devil in some ways
by normalizing sports gambling, by gamifying it to this degree,
And maybe we're all guilty of it to some degree
because the money is good. But I think these are
the ramifications now that you wanted this and you got
in bed with something that was owners the cardinal sin
(30:01):
in taboo, as you mentioned earlier, And now this is
the fallout, and we'll see how far this goes. If
went Horse report is right that the NBA was covering
things up with Terry Rosier and he was faking the
injury and it was a quiet suspension behind the scenes.
If it was that clandestine, now there's a whole other
scandal they're gonna have to worry about. So I don't know,
(30:23):
sports talk radio, you guys got a month's worth of
content coming.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
Field day field day, because that is if they I
don't even know how to say this. Yeah, it's bad.
If this is true with Terry Roseier and he took
himself out of the game to make sure that the
under was gonna happen. Bad, not good, deserves punishment whatever
(30:49):
it may be. But if you're the NBA and the
way you're going to cover this up is force a
guy or convince guy to fake an injury that's going
to keep him out the season in order for this
secret not to come out, that is to me ten
(31:11):
times worse. Well, and you know.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
What could happen next that could make this story more
explosive with the powder keg If, Terry Rozier or Chauncey
Billups or Damon Jones. If any of these guys are
guilty and they know it and they cut a deal
to lessen their sentence by outing other people, that's how
this story could really expand because a lot of people
(31:34):
are suspicious of Gilbert Arenas, who got busted for some
illegal back room gambling in July and he came out
and said, I ain't gonna be in court long because
I know I'll be snitching on everyone. He just he
said it out. Yeah, and he got out on bail
for fifty thousand dollars. And people think these are the
(31:55):
names he gave up. Now, so what if these people
give up more names? It's like, how far is this
going to go? That's what's fascinating about this story.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
It'll be uh And the fact that it's happening on
Game one in the NBA. How do you think they've
been sitting on this? Oh? The Feds, Yeah, they come
out Game one now the NBA.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
No, no, no, dunna here come to federal agents just waiting
for the opening of the NBA season. NBC's back. They
got all this coming, and now it's spoiled or I
don't know, become a different story.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
How much are they hoping that the World Series goes
seven games.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
We need a distraction, distract and deflect and deny all
of that, all of that, don't show the files.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Oh Adam you the man man. Thank you very much
for joining us, Thanks for having me, Ronnie Kevin, thank
you guys. Mantastic as usual, and that drops some money
on next We'll see you tomorrow.
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