November 21, 2025 • 33 mins
Vinny Bonsignore hops on to talk week 12 of the NFL. Its Lit features a potential Tarik Skubal trade scenario for the Dodgers. If the Clippers continue to struggle should they consider a sell-off?
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan, Rodney Peene on
a Friday, a seventy LA Sports coming up in a
bit next segment, Kevin will jump on what's happened today.
We all try to figure that out every day at
this time, but Kevin will get us caught up on
everything with its slip and now let us bring on
our friend, an NFL insider, Vintie Bond signor Vitty. Good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's good afternoon on another rainy day here in Las
Vegas with a big race coming to town tomorrow, the
F one Race.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, F one, Benny, have you ever been to an
F one? Friend of you? I have not.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm thinking about swinging by there at some point tomorrow night.
And you know, it's funny because Mark Davis is a
huge F one fan, and the first year that they
had it here in Las Vegas, he was mad because
the NFL schedule, we were in Miami that weekend and
he's like, I want it to be at home for
the race. So I don't know what kind of deal
he's made, but every week, every race weekend since then,
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the Raiders have been home, including this week, and so
Mark pulled some punches because he likes to check out
that race and not have to be out.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Of town to the hotel. Right, it's very expensive. You
can get a hotel and passes, but it's really expensive.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, the prices, from what I understand, came down by
thirty percent from last year. They wanted to make them
more accessible to local fans, and believe it or not,
some of the hotel prices have actually come down as well,
because it's you've got to understand, it's so difficult to
get down there and move around that that that people
have avoided. And the first year it was the prices
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were ridiculous, but they kind of figured out that that's
not a winning ticket, so they've actually dropped prices. You
can get some pretty good rooms here for pretty cheap
this this race weekend, so you could be a part
of it.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So, yeah, you're interested.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
The rooms dependent depending on where you are. The rooms
are not you know, you're not going to get a
front row room right right right, Yeah, and to get there,
but it's it's pretty phenomenal. I went to one in
Spain F one race and it and I had been
to several nascars and got into a little bit of
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NASCAR when I played in Carolina because Charlotte is kind
of the hub of NASCAR. But F One's on a
different level. It's just it is. It is rock star status.
Those guys are the Beatles. They are the biggest They're
the biggest rock and roll star that you could think of.
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The crowds, the people that know them, that know the
ins and outs of it. It is of racing. It
is on a different level than anything else. I mean,
I know this country goes crazy over a NASCAR, but
F one, globally, it is there's nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
There's nothing like it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
That's a big difference because it is a world a
world sport and a world spectator specuator sport. And yeah,
I mean I'm getting emails left and right about activations
they're doing at parties that they're throwing. And you know,
it's Las Vegas, so you're gonna have that element. But
I mean that sport. Like you said, they're in Spain,
they're in Miami, they're in Montreal, they're all in the
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great cities of the world. So it's a big party
when they when they come to town. And that's so
different than here in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
It is fun.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
We we weren't to the anty five hundred. That's not
f one. I mean, that's the closest we ever got
to have point. We went to the and that's big,
and that's huge. Yeah, exactly in this country, any five
hundred is like, that's it. Okay, Anny, let's not let's
not belabor the raiders off the top we were talking
about earlier. Yeah, put in a bad mood, uh talking
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about this shirtlier. The Rams are now favorite to win
the Super Bowl and Stafford's favored to be the m
v P. Do you think more people around the country
realize that than the people in l A.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, probably, I think sometimes, you know, fans have a
more I don't know, it's it's it's you know they
obviously fans are going to be fans and they're going
to root for their team. But when you're hyper focused
on your own team, you're you're so you know, you're
focused on on sometimes the flaws, the perceived flaws. In fact,
I was talking to a friend who's a huge ramp
then and he was going on and on and on
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about how sometimes Sean McVay loses his way with the
wrong game. What are we doing? I was like, I
cover a team that's two and eight, Like, grive me
a river right now, Like I really cover a bad team,
You're you're complaint, you're nitpicking over arguably the best team
in the NFL. And he stopped himself and he was like,
you know you're right. Actually, you know you get you
get a little bit overly critical. So yeah, I would
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say I would say that, you know, the the confidence
level in the Rams. While the Rams fans obviously want
them to win and live and die with it and
lead with it and all that, I think outside of
Los Angeles there's there's a real appreciation for what Sean's
and McVay, uh and left sneed and Kevin Demos and
and uh and and you know Kronkey are doing with that.
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With that organization, it's really become kind of a beacon
organization in all of sports. And and I I think
everybody in the league understands that that team is a
problem on any given Sunday. They can run the ball,
they've got a really good defense. It's very well, keep
your eye on Chris Shuley. He's going to be a
head coach here pretty soon. And rightfully so, they've got weapons.
DeVante Adams has hit like a glove. I totally figured
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that was going to happen. And they've got a quarterback
playing as as high a level a quarterback in the NFL.
You see what happened last night with Josh Allen, you know,
and someone he's kind of lost his way here recently.
Lamar Jackson has been has been hurt. Patrick Maholmes isn't playing,
you know, to the level that he that he has
in the past. This is this is really right right
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now for and look what's happened in Philadelphia. They're complaining
about their quarterback, even in his own locker room. They're complaining.
They're not hearing anything like that about Matthew Stacks. Yeah,
exactly right, exactly exactly talking about nitpicking.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah exactly. It's it's weird. It feels like Vinnie. First
of all, the Rams travel, they can they can win anywhere.
I think that we're there one of the few teams
that doesn't matter where they play. But that being said,
I think and I just feel this, and I've been
to a couple of games that slowly but surely, La
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for the Rams especially is becoming a Ram Stadium, meaning
that meaning that the the the atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
The crowd is starting to try to.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Provide a home field advantage for the Rams when they
play at home. That being said, if they keep winning
the way they do, I think they would have an
advantage by playing their games in the playoffs at home.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You know, Yeah, I completely agree. And it's funny you
should mention that because you know, obviously, the Raiders played
on on Thursday of last week, so Sunday, I, you know,
I was able to just kind of watch football, but
it was actually on a on a trip back from
my wife and I went to San Diego for the weekend.
We're driving back on Sunday, so I have the Rams
game on the radio, and I could hear it through
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the radio. When when you know, the other team had
the ball, or the you know, seatle Seahawks had the ball,
or the Rams did something big, you can hear the
support and the cheers, and Seattle travels pretty well too,
So you know, I was a little bit surprised, pleasantly
surprised that that felt like a real home field advantage
for the Rams. And we kind of knew that that
was going to happen, that it was going to take
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time they were gone for twenty two years or so,
and a lot of fans grew up as other teams
fans and Greater fans and Cowboys fans and all that.
So it's going to take time for that to kind
of take hold again. And the Rams have definitely done
themselves right and their fans right, but putting a really
great product out there, and that's always going to pique
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people's interests, create new fans, and you know, strengthen the
connection that they already had with the fans in Los
Angeles that remained ramp fans even though they were Sat Louis.
So it's really cool to see that ten years. I mean,
it blows me away that that we're already at that stage,
like they've been back for a while now and they've
done both in their.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
In their plus we said this earlier, I think that
it's uh, you know, part of it is a lot
of La still has Dodger hangover that they are still
living the Dodgers World Series and haven't really gotten caught
up into the football part of it now. But I
think now that we're coming up on Thanksgiving and getting
down the home stretch, it's going to even get better.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
For the Rams.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah. And by the way, I haven't said this to you, Rodney,
you know, watching the World Series Senior son and all
the great features that they've done on done on them.
I see pictures almost every day on Twitter of him
with the with the with the Dodgers players and how
much loved they show for him and vice versa. It
really warms my heart. So I want to tell you
that I appreciate see all that. I see all that
here in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I appreciate that. Man, I appreciate that. Yeah, it's really uh,
it's really special that they did that. That's special on
Fox for him and during the World Series, he's gotten
so much feedback. And again it's hard to believe you're
talking about ten years.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's hard.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, he's been there for ten years now, so it's
exactly Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well all right, Vinnie, that's great, and uh, let's call
it right now. Let's just let you get your weekend started.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, let's do that. By the way, kind of a
big weekend besides the f lunch or standers. Making his debut.
I'm kind of excited about this. I'm hoping for the
best for Sugar. He gets a lot of a lot
of I don't know whatever. You know, he's kind of
a lightning around I was talking to Geo Smith about that,
and I don't I don't get it. I don't understand it.
He's always kind of handled his business. So I'm quietly
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hoping that he that he has a nice game and
that he can hold onto this job because I liked
him in college. I loved him in college, and I
feel like there's been some wrong things that have been
said about him. I don't think he should have fallen
to the fifth round of their job. But he've got
an opportunity to prove a lot of people wrong. And
it starts offing.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, it feels like this the right game for him too.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I mean, I albeit on the road, but but it
feels like the right game for him to kind of
do something. But at the same time, you know, Gino's
going to ride this up. He's gonna right, g you
l for the rest of the year of any given
where the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, yeah, and and probably for next year too. I
do think kinding on where the Raiders finish, you know,
in the draft, it's time for them to look to
their future at quarterback. And you know, he's basically got
one more year left on his contract after this year,
and so I would imagine, especially if he plays well
over these last seven games or reasonably well, they can
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they can go into next year with him and you know,
grooming the young quarterback. And I know Gino getting to
know him. I think he's really wired to do that.
And and and then hand it off to that young
quarterback after, you know, once the Raiders feel that he's
that quarterback is ready to go. But and part of
that means losing games. You hate to talk about that,
but the Raiders have have really played their way out
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of Jayden Daniels or Chake May or Caleb Williams for
that matter, or c J. Stroud by winning meaningless games
down the stretch. And you don't want teams to to
purposely lose. And I know Pete will never be about that,
but it's almost time for them to do exactly that.
Do what the New England Pictures did do with the
Washington from Indiana, Yeah, exactly, or maybe Dante mar from Moregan.
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We'll see, but somebody up at the top of the jats.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
All right, Benny, thank you, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
All right, have a great weekend.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You guys, you too.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
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Speaker 6 (12:02):
Let's get it in.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Come on, come on, we gotta find out what's happening
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Speaker 6 (12:13):
All right, we'll dive right into it.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Let's go.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Harve So he talked about Zrick scooball with the Detroit
Tigers and whether or not he has a future in Detroit.
So there was a writer for ESPN dot Com, Kyle McDaniel,
talked about all the potential scenarios that the Tigers will
face with Schoobul in the future, whether or not they'll
trade him this offseason, next offseason or potentially just let
them play it out the old Angel show Hail Tani situation. Now,
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I guess the only difference there is we knew even
if the Angels had made the postseason with Eltani a
couple of years ago, they were not had no designs
of making it a deep run. The Tigers were knocking
on the door potentially making it to the Alcs and
maybe even riding it to the World Series. So I
guess the question is, if you think you have a
good enough squad around him, even if you know you
don't have the money to be able to retain them,
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do you try to ride this out to see if
you can kind of make a a deep run into
the postseason and potentially win a championship this next year
and a half.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
My answer to that is yes, but you better be
damn sure. Every year you delay in moving him.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
It costs you more, but you only got one more.
So what you need to do if you think you
can Kevin?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
This is his final year going into This will be
his final season.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yes, yeah, oh no, you gotta trade him. I thought
he had two years left.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I might have misspoken there. Yeah, this is he's going
into his final.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He's gone. He's gone. He's gone. So you don't make
a run. It doesn't matter. He's got to go. Is
right on the verge.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Difference, Rodney? Is he the difference? Yes, he said you
think he would be the difference? Yes, the pacher in
the American League. Yeah, you keep him. I'm gonna move him.
Final year, No, final year. I gotta get something in
return for this.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You were that close.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
You were that close if you remember that, because there's
a series against the Mariners, right they Yeah, they were
right there. Actually could have beat them.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I mean a man, they're the ones that had that
collapse that allowed Cleveland they got to take over the central.
If Emmitt Sheen is pitching for them, amman, do they
still have as a good chance to win it all?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Close.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
You're talking about a guy that's lights out, that doesn't
lose ry. I'm talking one to back cy Young right one, you.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Tried Game seven, you you're probably gonna win it? Okay?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
One? Yes, very good picture, very promising. But school schoobl
is on a different level right now? Correct, So I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Trek Scoobel one pitcher would be the reason the Tigers
won the World Series one.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Might be, but I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Did Dodgers win without Yamamoto, Well, yeah, I mean they
just would.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Have ad they win without Yamamoto.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, they would have activated Tanner Scott. They'd have been fine.
Of course, it wouldn't want what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Sometimes one player, one pitcher, especially a pitcher as dominant
as schoolbl will get it done.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I don't know. I might.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I might make a run. I might make a run
with them. They were close last year. It looks like
they're gonna have a lot of guys back. Hobby Baiez
had resurrection. I might make that run with him. I
might make that run with him and see what happens,
and who knows, they go find some money.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
To keep him.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
But wait a minute, we can we can all agree, Kevin,
I'd like you in this as well. If you're two
hundred and fifty million dollars apart, I'd say the chances
of you coming to some sort of agreement in the
middle ain't gonna cut it. If you're fifty million apart,
you know what, we worked that out, Rodney. If you're
one hundred million apart, we're gonna we're gonna haggle but
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we'll get somewhere two hundred and fifty million dollars apart.
You really think they're gonna be able to come up
with a kind of money it's gonna take to keep him.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
They're gonna get Uncle Santa Claus come and be a
partner with it.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
They better now.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
He's also a Borius guy too, by the way, So
he's gonna he was gonna hear free agency.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
We're gonna hit it. He's gonna hit free agency for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Now, even if you trade him, whoever's gonna get him,
whoever you trade him to, he ain't staying there more
n likely or.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
At the very least, he's not gonna re up. He's
not gonna do the old Tyler Glass now where he
agrees to an extension before he gets traded. He's not
doing that. No, that's not Boris's track record. Now, since
you guys brought up image and I did see this
from Jim Bowden, former Major league general manager and now
writes for The Athletic, talked about different trade scenarios for
Trek Scooble. So how about this for the Dodgers? Would
you do this?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Im it?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Shean Justin Robleski Jackson Ferris and Zayear Hope. Now, if
you guys don't know much about Hope, So Ferris and
Hope are the two guys they got in the Michael
Bush trade to Chicago, and there are two of their
better prospects. People think, Hope, although he's like three years
away from the majors, has potential like all star type potential,
and Jackson Ferris upper echelon rotation type of starter stuff.
So She and Robleski, Ferris and Hope.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
For Turk Scoogle Hope position is hopeless.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
He's an outfielder, all right.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So they're gonna take three. In his theory, they're getting
three pictures.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Yes, she and Rebleski Ferris.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yes, and Zayr Hope and Hope.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
And I remember when they traded for him, every people
talked about him, and so yeah, this guy's pretty good.
He's gonna be good. God would I do that for school?
So let's think about it. You give up Shan, all right,
but you have Schoogle so that that works. Robleski is
a guy that is gonna be on your staff, probably
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have a better chance to start.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
For the Tigers.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
The prospect that's the guy you probably would want to
hold on to because he would come up and fill
the Roblusky spot and hope can play it. And if
we get Schoogle, that means he's gonna be here a while,
or you get him now, and then you gotta worry about.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
It as of right now, Fred, just like we discussed,
your only guarantees to have him for a year, because
he's gonna hit the marketing and you have no idea
what that's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
If that's if that's how we're gonna do it. No,
I wouldn't give that much up if you only got
him for one year. Now, if you know, there's a
wink in a nod and let's have a conversation and
all of a sudden he's signed to a five or
however many year deal for however much money with Boris. Okay,
I'll sign off on that. I'm not giving that much
up for one year. I'm not gonna do it. You
don't think the Dodgers can make that happen. What I'm saying,
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I know Fred Rogan wouldn't make that happen.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
He wouldn't sign him to a six year, two hundred
and fifty million dollars deal. Uh, he's not running the
Dodgers for one year. Come on, school, come on, come on, Trek.
Put on that Dodger blue baby, all right, put on
that Dodger blue.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Now, here's a curveball too. Boding through this sand is
kind of a footnote. Say Detroit balks at that initial offer,
and they say, you know what, we like Rebleski, but
we don't want him. Don't we want Tyler Glass now?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Uh? Oh so now now it's Emmitt Sheen and Tyler Glass.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Now and the two prospects.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But you're gonna hold on to Robleski right, There's no
way I'm doing that if I don't keep this guy
for more than one year.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
In a fantasy situation, Fred, where he signs an extension,
what you're giving up versus what you're getting, if you
assume that he's gonna stay.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
With a Glass Now, Glass don't signed a six year,
five year deal. Five year deal.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I got Glass now for another three years, for three
more years.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
No, I'm not doing it. You're not doing it.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I'm not doing it. I don't want to give up
a Tiler Glass now. When I got him under control,
that's gonna be a lot cheaper than try to sign
school boy at the end of one year.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Who gave me what he gave me? I'm keeping glass now.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
All right, Well, since we're talking baseball and we're talking Dodgers,
let's talk a former Dodger and Corey Seger playing for
the Texas Rangers, MVP of the World Series a couple
of years ago. There's a report that the Rangers are
actually looking to potentially cut payroll, and part of that
process could be trading away Corey Seeger. He signed that
ten year, three hundred and twenty five million dollar contract
in twenty twenty two. They were just eighty one and
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eighty one last year potentially looking to cut payroll. So
if you look at it, they did win a World
Series with him, He was the MVP, and he's been
a great player. It hasn't been for lack of production
on his part. So when you talk about your ten
year deals and diminishing returns, Fred, even though individually his
numbers has been great, the team has taking a bit
a step back considering the fact that they want a championship.
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Was that a worthy investment for the Texas Rangers?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Wasn't it a good investment.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Considering they want to sell him? Off now. But was
it a good investment considering they got a championship.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Out of him.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, they can sell him off now, it was a
great investment. If they're stuck with him. No, you got
one championship once. He got seven years left on.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
His deal than that, not less than that, right, six?
Speaker 6 (21:27):
I think six?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, No, Now, if they can dump him off, it
was a magnificent deal. If not, you have six more
years of this and in six years people are gonna
forget about the last one they won.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
So no, that's the only one they want. Yeah, well, that's.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Also if he continues to produce and stay healthy, which
in the last couple of years he has.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
He's a forty home run guy, you know what I mean,
and still playing a high level short stuff. He's gonna
give you at least three more years out of that
six at a high level. I don't think it's a
bad investment at all. Keeping him around reminds me I
just watched that documentary on a Rod. It's the same
thing that happened. He was I think four years in
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they said we got to cut payroll, and this was
an he was hitting fifty bombs a year for them.
People get how dominant he was as an individual. They
just couldn't win any game. But he was fifty and
one hundred and twenty RBIs for Texas in those three
years he was there before he went to New York
and they said we gotta cut payroll. It feels like
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the same thing and another short stuff that they had
that they played big money to.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I don't get it. I don't get it. It's just
like they're going to go back to obscurity and you know,
try to We're gonna lose for another five years. Texas
Ranger fans they make that.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Deal ball now and talk about we rarely ever talk
about the Cincinnati Bengals and why the hell would we
the Society Bengals. But Joe Burrows, one of the best
quarterbacks in the entire league, got injured early in the season,
had that toe surgery, was initially projected to be out
until early December. He actually returned to practice as a
full participant a couple of days ago, and there's a
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chance he's listened as questionable that he could actually play
this weekend for the Bengals. Now they're three and seven,
three games out of the final wild card in the AFC.
I guess I'll start with you, Rodney the former quarterback,
and I'll put you in Joe Burrow shoes. You're a
great player. You know that you can try your best
to put the team over the top, but knowing defensively,
they have a long ways to go. Would you come
back with a team with a three and seven record
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and really not that great of a shot to make
it to the postseason knowing.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
What I have offensively and I got weapons like that
and we can try to outscore folks. It'd be different
if I my offense and line sucked and my receivers
were ordinary. But he's got the best tandem receiver in
the league, and and they're not quite out of it.
Given the way the the AFC is shaping out, they're
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not out of it yet.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So any team can get on a roll, and.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
With the with the offensive firepower, they can get on
a roll.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Plus, the narrative has become on me as a guy
that's not.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Healthy and injury injured phone and so yeah, I'm coming
back to play to finish out the season because I
don't want that narrative to keep hounding me, because that
is what's that is the stigma on me is that
I can't stay healthy.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Fred, you're the GM or the coach. Is the risk
of a potential reinjury worth your reward?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
You got a shot and you gotta play.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, I was listening to Rodney and my initial reaction
when you set it up Kevin was in he didn't
have much of a chance.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So do you want to send him out there?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Then again, you know the way he gets Shorty can
wake up in the morning walk into a wall, so
he gets hurt all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You don't know what he's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
If you got a shot in football, if you got
a shot, you just don't have enough games.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You gotta take it, right, Am I wrong? Rockney? If
you got a shot, you gotta take it. You gotta
take it.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You gotta take it because you never know when you
can get on a roll. And on top of that,
it's one thing not having a shot when you got
a mediocre team and you're like, you're not like if
you're Cleveland or you're not really going anywhere, you're the Raiders.
But you got a shot where if he comes in
all of a sudden, they go from a team that's
scoring twenty points to forty points a game. Offensively, you
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get into some suitouts. You can win those shootouts and
get on a roll, much like they did when they
went to the Super Bowl. So they've got the offense,
and again, it would be different if the offensive line
was shaky and I'm like, oh, we can't offense is struggling,
we can't score any points. Everybody's hurt, tight ends hurt,
Higgins is hurt, and Jamar chases out for three weeks.
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I wouldn't come back, but with everybody ready to go
on offense, I know, Chase that one game, but I'm
coming back to take a shot for sure.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
So remember earlier in the week we talked about the
Cowboys and why Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens were on
the sidelines mysteriously with their helmets on, but they didn't
play in the first series, and all we knew was
that it was for quote unquote disciplinary reasons. We know
now we found out what those disciplinary reasons were. They
were in Vegas and apportently the two of them, Now
this is what this is what CD said yesterday that
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he and Pickens were out to dinner and having drinks
and they missed curfew the night before, and that is
the reason why they missed the first series. I'll take
them at their word. But even with that, and I
don't know, Rodney, you played in the league for years
and know how these things work out, Sitting out a
series seems pretty like a pretty toothless it is. You know,
what does that even do for anybody?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
It doesn't, It doesn't. It's no discipline unless.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
The only thing.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
And it's different now, so I don't know, I don't
know whether it states now, but unless because in my day,
your incentives were tied to art sometimes, and so you've
got so many starts, you got an extra hundred grand
or you got an extra two hundred thousand dollars for
so many starts, and if they take that start away
from you, then you're losing out more than just a
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just a you know, a paycheck.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
You're losing out some incentive money.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
So, unless that was the case, otherwise it's pointless to
set out a series in a game. But certainly, yeah,
from what I heard, they were at the Red Rock
Casino having a good time.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And yes, Smith right, miss miss curfew.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
It wasn't like they oh we uh we lost track
of time because we were out of dinner.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
No, they were, They were at the crap table. But no,
here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I mean, I know what you heard, but I have
to take them with their word that they went out
for a leisurely dinner the night before the game, right right,
And you know something, they decided to eat late. O.
Most people would not have dinner like at eleven o'clock
at night before game the next day. But perhaps they
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chose that, and Rodney that dinner probably went to what
one thirty in the morning, Yeah, something like that. Yeah,
you know, they had a little appetizer, maybe a little
port wine and a little little dessert.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Steak was undercook and had to go back and send
it back.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Gime on, give me that porterhouse, right, I mean, that's
easy to understand.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't know why you'd start this rumor the uber
was late coming to pick us up. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I don't know why you have to start this and
perpetuate this. These guys were at the craps table. No,
they just had a nice dinner and things ran over.
You know what, it happens, It just happens.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
That's a slippery slope of putting NFL and professing them
teams in Vegas?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
What are they stay in Vegas? What do the opposing
teams stay I've always wondered that, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Some teams stay out, like out, a little bit out,
and I don't know if they were yeah, because apparently
they were at this Red Rock. Red Rock is not
on the strip. It's like off the beaten path. If
I've been there in the in the uh, yeah, and
so it's it's it's not right there on the strip
in the mix. But yeah, a lot of teams do
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stay right there in the mix because it's close to
the stadium.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I mean, I'll say, if the worst thing that will
happen the teams is guys are missing curfew by being
out in Vegas, I think they'll take it so well.
Sign up.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
There are a number of those hotels that don't have
casinos connected to it, right that they can stay at.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Right, all right, And that's what's lighting up the headlines.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
All right, And we will be back to put up
bow on this week.
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Speaker 3 (30:02):
Come on, Freddy, let's go right to beat.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Fred Rogan wrapping it up on a Friday afternoon. All good, hey,
before we get out of here.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Last night the Clippers were blown out by Orlando. They
fall to four and eleven on the season, and they
don't control or own their own first round draft picks
until twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
So, God, this is an old group.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I have to tell you, at what point if this continues,
do you go, Okay, it's God time. Everybody's on the blocks.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Let's rebuild. They're almost there. They're almost there. I mean,
if it continues through December or mid December, then yeah,
they got to start making plants for January.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I agree with you, I do.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And you know, not for lack of effort, not for
lack of trying, not for lack of conceptualizing.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
The Kawhi Paul George experiment is a failure.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
They got hurt and so now Paul George is gone.
And now if this continues, the Kawhi experiment was a failure.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It didn't work.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
They have to own that they did the right thing.
They went for it. You can't fault them for that.
They had to do it. It failed, It just failed.
And now this, yeah, oh my god, I think about
it immediately.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Everybody go.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Everybody in basketball analysts, expert whatever, thought the Clippers within
a short period of time, We're going to.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Win a championship.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Yes, one hundred percent, right, everybody, one hundred percent. Everybody
thought that at some point in that four year span
of Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, they'd win one.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Let's get there.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, it proved to be a dismal failure. And I mean,
and look, you like the people that run the Clippers.
You like Steve Baumer, you like Lawrence Frank. I mean,
you like those guys. Ty Lou you like him too.
And they put in the work, and they put in
the effort. It didn't work. So if it continues this way,
(32:23):
and you might be right, first of the year, you're
gonna make a decision. Okay, you know what New Year's Sale,
anybody and everybody.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Can go everybody's available, right, what do you bring? You
want who you want? Right?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Kawhi you need him. You think he'll put you over
the top of yours. James Harden, he still got some
juice left.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Okay, he's yours. Brook Lopez, no problem, he's yours.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Anybody can go. They're going to have to start going
in that direction if this continues. Ronnie, thank you for
a great week. Thank you really appreciate it. Kevin, good
job as well. Rodney, have a great weekend, and we'll
get here on a Monday.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
You gotta go, Trojans, fight on, go, get the Oregon Ducks.
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan, Rodney Peene on
a Friday, a seventy LA Sports coming up in a
bit next segment, Kevin will jump on what's happened today.
We all try to figure that out every day at
this time, but Kevin will get us caught up on
everything with its slip and now let us bring on
our friend, an NFL insider, Vintie Bond signor Vitty. Good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
It's good afternoon on another rainy day here in Las
Vegas with a big race coming to town tomorrow, the
F one Race.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, F one, Benny, have you ever been to an
F one? Friend of you? I have not.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I'm thinking about swinging by there at some point tomorrow night.
And you know, it's funny because Mark Davis is a
huge F one fan, and the first year that they
had it here in Las Vegas, he was mad because
the NFL schedule, we were in Miami that weekend and
he's like, I want it to be at home for
the race. So I don't know what kind of deal
he's made, but every week, every race weekend since then,
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the Raiders have been home, including this week, and so
Mark pulled some punches because he likes to check out
that race and not have to be out.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Of town to the hotel. Right, it's very expensive. You
can get a hotel and passes, but it's really expensive.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Well, the prices, from what I understand, came down by
thirty percent from last year. They wanted to make them
more accessible to local fans, and believe it or not,
some of the hotel prices have actually come down as well,
because it's you've got to understand, it's so difficult to
get down there and move around that that that people
have avoided. And the first year it was the prices
(01:35):
were ridiculous, but they kind of figured out that that's
not a winning ticket, so they've actually dropped prices. You
can get some pretty good rooms here for pretty cheap
this this race weekend, so you could be a part
of it.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
So, yeah, you're interested.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
The rooms dependent depending on where you are. The rooms
are not you know, you're not going to get a
front row room right right right, Yeah, and to get there,
but it's it's pretty phenomenal. I went to one in
Spain F one race and it and I had been
to several nascars and got into a little bit of
(02:09):
NASCAR when I played in Carolina because Charlotte is kind
of the hub of NASCAR. But F One's on a
different level. It's just it is. It is rock star status.
Those guys are the Beatles. They are the biggest They're
the biggest rock and roll star that you could think of.
(02:30):
The crowds, the people that know them, that know the
ins and outs of it. It is of racing. It
is on a different level than anything else. I mean,
I know this country goes crazy over a NASCAR, but
F one, globally, it is there's nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
There's nothing like it.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
That's a big difference because it is a world a
world sport and a world spectator specuator sport. And yeah,
I mean I'm getting emails left and right about activations
they're doing at parties that they're throwing. And you know,
it's Las Vegas, so you're gonna have that element. But
I mean that sport. Like you said, they're in Spain,
they're in Miami, they're in Montreal, they're all in the
(03:11):
great cities of the world. So it's a big party
when they when they come to town. And that's so
different than here in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
It is fun.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
We we weren't to the anty five hundred. That's not
f one. I mean, that's the closest we ever got
to have point. We went to the and that's big,
and that's huge. Yeah, exactly in this country, any five
hundred is like, that's it. Okay, Anny, let's not let's
not belabor the raiders off the top we were talking
about earlier. Yeah, put in a bad mood, uh talking
(03:39):
about this shirtlier. The Rams are now favorite to win
the Super Bowl and Stafford's favored to be the m
v P. Do you think more people around the country
realize that than the people in l A.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, probably, I think sometimes, you know, fans have a
more I don't know, it's it's it's you know they
obviously fans are going to be fans and they're going
to root for their team. But when you're hyper focused
on your own team, you're you're so you know, you're
focused on on sometimes the flaws, the perceived flaws. In fact,
I was talking to a friend who's a huge ramp
then and he was going on and on and on
(04:12):
about how sometimes Sean McVay loses his way with the
wrong game. What are we doing? I was like, I
cover a team that's two and eight, Like, grive me
a river right now, Like I really cover a bad team,
You're you're complaint, you're nitpicking over arguably the best team
in the NFL. And he stopped himself and he was like,
you know you're right. Actually, you know you get you
get a little bit overly critical. So yeah, I would
(04:32):
say I would say that, you know, the the confidence
level in the Rams. While the Rams fans obviously want
them to win and live and die with it and
lead with it and all that, I think outside of
Los Angeles there's there's a real appreciation for what Sean's
and McVay, uh and left sneed and Kevin Demos and
and uh and and you know Kronkey are doing with that.
(04:54):
With that organization, it's really become kind of a beacon
organization in all of sports. And and I I think
everybody in the league understands that that team is a
problem on any given Sunday. They can run the ball,
they've got a really good defense. It's very well, keep
your eye on Chris Shuley. He's going to be a
head coach here pretty soon. And rightfully so, they've got weapons.
DeVante Adams has hit like a glove. I totally figured
(05:16):
that was going to happen. And they've got a quarterback
playing as as high a level a quarterback in the NFL.
You see what happened last night with Josh Allen, you know,
and someone he's kind of lost his way here recently.
Lamar Jackson has been has been hurt. Patrick Maholmes isn't playing,
you know, to the level that he that he has
in the past. This is this is really right right
(05:36):
now for and look what's happened in Philadelphia. They're complaining
about their quarterback, even in his own locker room. They're complaining.
They're not hearing anything like that about Matthew Stacks. Yeah,
exactly right, exactly exactly talking about nitpicking.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Yeah exactly. It's it's weird. It feels like Vinnie. First
of all, the Rams travel, they can they can win anywhere.
I think that we're there one of the few teams
that doesn't matter where they play. But that being said,
I think and I just feel this, and I've been
to a couple of games that slowly but surely, La
(06:13):
for the Rams especially is becoming a Ram Stadium, meaning
that meaning that the the the atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
The crowd is starting to try to.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Provide a home field advantage for the Rams when they
play at home. That being said, if they keep winning
the way they do, I think they would have an
advantage by playing their games in the playoffs at home.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
What do you think?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
You know, Yeah, I completely agree. And it's funny you
should mention that because you know, obviously, the Raiders played
on on Thursday of last week, so Sunday, I, you know,
I was able to just kind of watch football, but
it was actually on a on a trip back from
my wife and I went to San Diego for the weekend.
We're driving back on Sunday, so I have the Rams
game on the radio, and I could hear it through
(07:05):
the radio. When when you know, the other team had
the ball, or the you know, seatle Seahawks had the ball,
or the Rams did something big, you can hear the
support and the cheers, and Seattle travels pretty well too,
So you know, I was a little bit surprised, pleasantly
surprised that that felt like a real home field advantage
for the Rams. And we kind of knew that that
was going to happen, that it was going to take
(07:26):
time they were gone for twenty two years or so,
and a lot of fans grew up as other teams
fans and Greater fans and Cowboys fans and all that.
So it's going to take time for that to kind
of take hold again. And the Rams have definitely done
themselves right and their fans right, but putting a really
great product out there, and that's always going to pique
(07:46):
people's interests, create new fans, and you know, strengthen the
connection that they already had with the fans in Los
Angeles that remained ramp fans even though they were Sat Louis.
So it's really cool to see that ten years. I mean,
it blows me away that that we're already at that stage,
like they've been back for a while now and they've
done both in their.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
In their plus we said this earlier, I think that
it's uh, you know, part of it is a lot
of La still has Dodger hangover that they are still
living the Dodgers World Series and haven't really gotten caught
up into the football part of it now. But I
think now that we're coming up on Thanksgiving and getting
down the home stretch, it's going to even get better.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
For the Rams.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah. And by the way, I haven't said this to you, Rodney,
you know, watching the World Series Senior son and all
the great features that they've done on done on them.
I see pictures almost every day on Twitter of him
with the with the with the Dodgers players and how
much loved they show for him and vice versa. It
really warms my heart. So I want to tell you
that I appreciate see all that. I see all that
here in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
I appreciate that. Man, I appreciate that. Yeah, it's really uh,
it's really special that they did that. That's special on
Fox for him and during the World Series, he's gotten
so much feedback. And again it's hard to believe you're
talking about ten years.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's hard.
Speaker 4 (09:00):
Yeah, he's been there for ten years now, so it's
exactly Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Well all right, Vinnie, that's great, and uh, let's call
it right now. Let's just let you get your weekend started.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, let's do that. By the way, kind of a
big weekend besides the f lunch or standers. Making his debut.
I'm kind of excited about this. I'm hoping for the
best for Sugar. He gets a lot of a lot
of I don't know whatever. You know, he's kind of
a lightning around I was talking to Geo Smith about that,
and I don't I don't get it. I don't understand it.
He's always kind of handled his business. So I'm quietly
(09:32):
hoping that he that he has a nice game and
that he can hold onto this job because I liked
him in college. I loved him in college, and I
feel like there's been some wrong things that have been
said about him. I don't think he should have fallen
to the fifth round of their job. But he've got
an opportunity to prove a lot of people wrong. And
it starts offing.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, it feels like this the right game for him too.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
I mean, I albeit on the road, but but it
feels like the right game for him to kind of
do something. But at the same time, you know, Gino's
going to ride this up. He's gonna right, g you
l for the rest of the year of any given
where the Raiders.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, yeah, and and probably for next year too. I
do think kinding on where the Raiders finish, you know,
in the draft, it's time for them to look to
their future at quarterback. And you know, he's basically got
one more year left on his contract after this year,
and so I would imagine, especially if he plays well
over these last seven games or reasonably well, they can
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they can go into next year with him and you know,
grooming the young quarterback. And I know Gino getting to
know him. I think he's really wired to do that.
And and and then hand it off to that young
quarterback after, you know, once the Raiders feel that he's
that quarterback is ready to go. But and part of
that means losing games. You hate to talk about that,
but the Raiders have have really played their way out
(10:46):
of Jayden Daniels or Chake May or Caleb Williams for
that matter, or c J. Stroud by winning meaningless games
down the stretch. And you don't want teams to to
purposely lose. And I know Pete will never be about that,
but it's almost time for them to do exactly that.
Do what the New England Pictures did do with the
Washington from Indiana, Yeah, exactly, or maybe Dante mar from Moregan.
(11:09):
We'll see, but somebody up at the top of the jats.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
All right, Benny, thank you, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
All right, have a great weekend.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You guys, you too.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
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Speaker 6 (12:02):
Let's get it in.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Come on, come on, we gotta find out what's happening
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Speaker 6 (12:13):
All right, we'll dive right into it.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Let's go.
Speaker 6 (12:15):
Harve So he talked about Zrick scooball with the Detroit
Tigers and whether or not he has a future in Detroit.
So there was a writer for ESPN dot Com, Kyle McDaniel,
talked about all the potential scenarios that the Tigers will
face with Schoobul in the future, whether or not they'll
trade him this offseason, next offseason or potentially just let
them play it out the old Angel show Hail Tani situation. Now,
(12:37):
I guess the only difference there is we knew even
if the Angels had made the postseason with Eltani a
couple of years ago, they were not had no designs
of making it a deep run. The Tigers were knocking
on the door potentially making it to the Alcs and
maybe even riding it to the World Series. So I
guess the question is, if you think you have a
good enough squad around him, even if you know you
don't have the money to be able to retain them,
(12:57):
do you try to ride this out to see if
you can kind of make a a deep run into
the postseason and potentially win a championship this next year
and a half.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
My answer to that is yes, but you better be
damn sure. Every year you delay in moving him.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
It costs you more, but you only got one more.
So what you need to do if you think you
can Kevin?
Speaker 6 (13:21):
This is his final year going into This will be
his final season.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Yes, yeah, oh no, you gotta trade him. I thought
he had two years left.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
I might have misspoken there. Yeah, this is he's going
into his final.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
He's gone. He's gone. He's gone. So you don't make
a run. It doesn't matter. He's got to go. Is
right on the verge.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
Difference, Rodney? Is he the difference? Yes, he said you
think he would be the difference? Yes, the pacher in
the American League. Yeah, you keep him. I'm gonna move him.
Final year, No, final year. I gotta get something in
return for this.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You were that close.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
You were that close if you remember that, because there's
a series against the Mariners, right they Yeah, they were
right there. Actually could have beat them.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
I mean a man, they're the ones that had that
collapse that allowed Cleveland they got to take over the central.
If Emmitt Sheen is pitching for them, amman, do they
still have as a good chance to win it all?
Speaker 4 (14:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (14:23):
Close.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
You're talking about a guy that's lights out, that doesn't
lose ry. I'm talking one to back cy Young right one, you.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Tried Game seven, you you're probably gonna win it? Okay?
Speaker 4 (14:39):
One? Yes, very good picture, very promising. But school schoobl
is on a different level right now? Correct, So I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Trek Scoobel one pitcher would be the reason the Tigers
won the World Series one.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
Might be, but I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Did Dodgers win without Yamamoto, Well, yeah, I mean they
just would.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Have ad they win without Yamamoto.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Yeah, they would have activated Tanner Scott. They'd have been fine.
Of course, it wouldn't want what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
Sometimes one player, one pitcher, especially a pitcher as dominant
as schoolbl will get it done.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I don't know. I might.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
I might make a run. I might make a run
with them. They were close last year. It looks like
they're gonna have a lot of guys back. Hobby Baiez
had resurrection. I might make that run with him. I
might make that run with him and see what happens,
and who knows, they go find some money.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
To keep him.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
But wait a minute, we can we can all agree, Kevin,
I'd like you in this as well. If you're two
hundred and fifty million dollars apart, I'd say the chances
of you coming to some sort of agreement in the
middle ain't gonna cut it. If you're fifty million apart,
you know what, we worked that out, Rodney. If you're
one hundred million apart, we're gonna we're gonna haggle but
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we'll get somewhere two hundred and fifty million dollars apart.
You really think they're gonna be able to come up
with a kind of money it's gonna take to keep him.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
They're gonna get Uncle Santa Claus come and be a
partner with it.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
They better now.
Speaker 6 (16:24):
He's also a Borius guy too, by the way, So
he's gonna he was gonna hear free agency.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
We're gonna hit it. He's gonna hit free agency for sure.
Speaker 4 (16:31):
Now, even if you trade him, whoever's gonna get him,
whoever you trade him to, he ain't staying there more
n likely or.
Speaker 6 (16:40):
At the very least, he's not gonna re up. He's
not gonna do the old Tyler Glass now where he
agrees to an extension before he gets traded. He's not
doing that. No, that's not Boris's track record. Now, since
you guys brought up image and I did see this
from Jim Bowden, former Major league general manager and now
writes for The Athletic, talked about different trade scenarios for
Trek Scooble. So how about this for the Dodgers? Would
you do this?
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Im it?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Shean Justin Robleski Jackson Ferris and Zayear Hope. Now, if
you guys don't know much about Hope, So Ferris and
Hope are the two guys they got in the Michael
Bush trade to Chicago, and there are two of their
better prospects. People think, Hope, although he's like three years
away from the majors, has potential like all star type potential,
and Jackson Ferris upper echelon rotation type of starter stuff.
So She and Robleski, Ferris and Hope.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
For Turk Scoogle Hope position is hopeless.
Speaker 6 (17:26):
He's an outfielder, all right.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
So they're gonna take three. In his theory, they're getting
three pictures.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
Yes, she and Rebleski Ferris.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yes, and Zayr Hope and Hope.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
And I remember when they traded for him, every people
talked about him, and so yeah, this guy's pretty good.
He's gonna be good. God would I do that for school?
So let's think about it. You give up Shan, all right,
but you have Schoogle so that that works. Robleski is
a guy that is gonna be on your staff, probably
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have a better chance to start.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
For the Tigers.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
The prospect that's the guy you probably would want to
hold on to because he would come up and fill
the Roblusky spot and hope can play it. And if
we get Schoogle, that means he's gonna be here a while,
or you get him now, and then you gotta worry about.
Speaker 6 (18:19):
It as of right now, Fred, just like we discussed,
your only guarantees to have him for a year, because
he's gonna hit the marketing and you have no idea
what that's gonna be.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
If that's if that's how we're gonna do it. No,
I wouldn't give that much up if you only got
him for one year. Now, if you know, there's a
wink in a nod and let's have a conversation and
all of a sudden he's signed to a five or
however many year deal for however much money with Boris. Okay,
I'll sign off on that. I'm not giving that much
up for one year. I'm not gonna do it. You
don't think the Dodgers can make that happen. What I'm saying,
(18:51):
I know Fred Rogan wouldn't make that happen.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
He wouldn't sign him to a six year, two hundred
and fifty million dollars deal. Uh, he's not running the
Dodgers for one year. Come on, school, come on, come on, Trek.
Put on that Dodger blue baby, all right, put on
that Dodger blue.
Speaker 6 (19:11):
Now, here's a curveball too. Boding through this sand is
kind of a footnote. Say Detroit balks at that initial offer,
and they say, you know what, we like Rebleski, but
we don't want him. Don't we want Tyler Glass now?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Uh? Oh so now now it's Emmitt Sheen and Tyler Glass.
Speaker 6 (19:30):
Now and the two prospects.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But you're gonna hold on to Robleski right, There's no
way I'm doing that if I don't keep this guy
for more than one year.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
In a fantasy situation, Fred, where he signs an extension,
what you're giving up versus what you're getting, if you
assume that he's gonna stay.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
With a Glass Now, Glass don't signed a six year,
five year deal. Five year deal.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I got Glass now for another three years, for three
more years.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
No, I'm not doing it. You're not doing it.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
I'm not doing it. I don't want to give up
a Tiler Glass now. When I got him under control,
that's gonna be a lot cheaper than try to sign
school boy at the end of one year.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Who gave me what he gave me? I'm keeping glass now.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
All right, Well, since we're talking baseball and we're talking Dodgers,
let's talk a former Dodger and Corey Seger playing for
the Texas Rangers, MVP of the World Series a couple
of years ago. There's a report that the Rangers are
actually looking to potentially cut payroll, and part of that
process could be trading away Corey Seeger. He signed that
ten year, three hundred and twenty five million dollar contract
in twenty twenty two. They were just eighty one and
(20:42):
eighty one last year potentially looking to cut payroll. So
if you look at it, they did win a World
Series with him, He was the MVP, and he's been
a great player. It hasn't been for lack of production
on his part. So when you talk about your ten
year deals and diminishing returns, Fred, even though individually his
numbers has been great, the team has taking a bit
a step back considering the fact that they want a championship.
(21:02):
Was that a worthy investment for the Texas Rangers?
Speaker 3 (21:07):
Wasn't it a good investment.
Speaker 6 (21:08):
Considering they want to sell him? Off now. But was
it a good investment considering they got a championship.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Out of him.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, they can sell him off now, it was a
great investment. If they're stuck with him. No, you got
one championship once. He got seven years left on.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
His deal than that, not less than that, right, six?
Speaker 6 (21:27):
I think six?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Yeah, No, Now, if they can dump him off, it
was a magnificent deal. If not, you have six more
years of this and in six years people are gonna
forget about the last one they won.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
So no, that's the only one they want. Yeah, well, that's.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
Also if he continues to produce and stay healthy, which
in the last couple of years he has.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
He's a forty home run guy, you know what I mean,
and still playing a high level short stuff. He's gonna
give you at least three more years out of that
six at a high level. I don't think it's a
bad investment at all. Keeping him around reminds me I
just watched that documentary on a Rod. It's the same
thing that happened. He was I think four years in
(22:12):
they said we got to cut payroll, and this was
an he was hitting fifty bombs a year for them.
People get how dominant he was as an individual. They
just couldn't win any game. But he was fifty and
one hundred and twenty RBIs for Texas in those three
years he was there before he went to New York
and they said we gotta cut payroll. It feels like
(22:33):
the same thing and another short stuff that they had
that they played big money to.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
I don't get it. I don't get it. It's just
like they're going to go back to obscurity and you know,
try to We're gonna lose for another five years. Texas
Ranger fans they make that.
Speaker 6 (22:57):
Deal ball now and talk about we rarely ever talk
about the Cincinnati Bengals and why the hell would we
the Society Bengals. But Joe Burrows, one of the best
quarterbacks in the entire league, got injured early in the season,
had that toe surgery, was initially projected to be out
until early December. He actually returned to practice as a
full participant a couple of days ago, and there's a
(23:18):
chance he's listened as questionable that he could actually play
this weekend for the Bengals. Now they're three and seven,
three games out of the final wild card in the AFC.
I guess I'll start with you, Rodney the former quarterback,
and I'll put you in Joe Burrow shoes. You're a
great player. You know that you can try your best
to put the team over the top, but knowing defensively,
they have a long ways to go. Would you come
back with a team with a three and seven record
(23:39):
and really not that great of a shot to make
it to the postseason knowing.
Speaker 4 (23:43):
What I have offensively and I got weapons like that
and we can try to outscore folks. It'd be different
if I my offense and line sucked and my receivers
were ordinary. But he's got the best tandem receiver in
the league, and and they're not quite out of it.
Given the way the the AFC is shaping out, they're
(24:06):
not out of it yet.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
So any team can get on a roll, and.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
With the with the offensive firepower, they can get on
a roll.
Speaker 3 (24:13):
Plus, the narrative has become on me as a guy
that's not.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
Healthy and injury injured phone and so yeah, I'm coming
back to play to finish out the season because I
don't want that narrative to keep hounding me, because that
is what's that is the stigma on me is that
I can't stay healthy.
Speaker 6 (24:34):
Fred, you're the GM or the coach. Is the risk
of a potential reinjury worth your reward?
Speaker 2 (24:40):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (24:40):
You got a shot and you gotta play.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Yeah, I was listening to Rodney and my initial reaction
when you set it up Kevin was in he didn't
have much of a chance.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
So do you want to send him out there?
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Then again, you know the way he gets Shorty can
wake up in the morning walk into a wall, so
he gets hurt all the time.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You don't know what he's gonna get hurt.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
If you got a shot in football, if you got
a shot, you just don't have enough games.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
You gotta take it, right, Am I wrong? Rockney? If
you got a shot, you gotta take it. You gotta
take it.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
You gotta take it because you never know when you
can get on a roll. And on top of that,
it's one thing not having a shot when you got
a mediocre team and you're like, you're not like if
you're Cleveland or you're not really going anywhere, you're the Raiders.
But you got a shot where if he comes in
all of a sudden, they go from a team that's
scoring twenty points to forty points a game. Offensively, you
(25:33):
get into some suitouts. You can win those shootouts and
get on a roll, much like they did when they
went to the Super Bowl. So they've got the offense,
and again, it would be different if the offensive line
was shaky and I'm like, oh, we can't offense is struggling,
we can't score any points. Everybody's hurt, tight ends hurt,
Higgins is hurt, and Jamar chases out for three weeks.
(25:56):
I wouldn't come back, but with everybody ready to go
on offense, I know, Chase that one game, but I'm
coming back to take a shot for sure.
Speaker 6 (26:05):
So remember earlier in the week we talked about the
Cowboys and why Ceedee Lamb and George Pickens were on
the sidelines mysteriously with their helmets on, but they didn't
play in the first series, and all we knew was
that it was for quote unquote disciplinary reasons. We know
now we found out what those disciplinary reasons were. They
were in Vegas and apportently the two of them, Now
this is what this is what CD said yesterday that
(26:25):
he and Pickens were out to dinner and having drinks
and they missed curfew the night before, and that is
the reason why they missed the first series. I'll take
them at their word. But even with that, and I
don't know, Rodney, you played in the league for years
and know how these things work out, Sitting out a
series seems pretty like a pretty toothless it is. You know,
what does that even do for anybody?
Speaker 4 (26:46):
It doesn't, It doesn't. It's no discipline unless.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
The only thing.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
And it's different now, so I don't know, I don't
know whether it states now, but unless because in my day,
your incentives were tied to art sometimes, and so you've
got so many starts, you got an extra hundred grand
or you got an extra two hundred thousand dollars for
so many starts, and if they take that start away
from you, then you're losing out more than just a
(27:14):
just a you know, a paycheck.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
You're losing out some incentive money.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
So, unless that was the case, otherwise it's pointless to
set out a series in a game. But certainly, yeah,
from what I heard, they were at the Red Rock
Casino having a good time.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
And yes, Smith right, miss miss curfew.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
It wasn't like they oh we uh we lost track
of time because we were out of dinner.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
No, they were, They were at the crap table. But no,
here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
I mean, I know what you heard, but I have
to take them with their word that they went out
for a leisurely dinner the night before the game, right right,
And you know something, they decided to eat late. O.
Most people would not have dinner like at eleven o'clock
at night before game the next day. But perhaps they
(28:02):
chose that, and Rodney that dinner probably went to what
one thirty in the morning, Yeah, something like that. Yeah,
you know, they had a little appetizer, maybe a little
port wine and a little little dessert.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Steak was undercook and had to go back and send
it back.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Gime on, give me that porterhouse, right, I mean, that's
easy to understand.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I don't know why you'd start this rumor the uber
was late coming to pick us up. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
I don't know why you have to start this and
perpetuate this. These guys were at the craps table. No,
they just had a nice dinner and things ran over.
You know what, it happens, It just happens.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
That's a slippery slope of putting NFL and professing them
teams in Vegas?
Speaker 3 (28:44):
What are they stay in Vegas? What do the opposing
teams stay I've always wondered that, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (28:48):
Some teams stay out, like out, a little bit out,
and I don't know if they were yeah, because apparently
they were at this Red Rock. Red Rock is not
on the strip. It's like off the beaten path. If
I've been there in the in the uh, yeah, and
so it's it's it's not right there on the strip
in the mix. But yeah, a lot of teams do
(29:09):
stay right there in the mix because it's close to
the stadium.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
I mean, I'll say, if the worst thing that will
happen the teams is guys are missing curfew by being
out in Vegas, I think they'll take it so well.
Sign up.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
There are a number of those hotels that don't have
casinos connected to it, right that they can stay at.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Right, all right, And that's what's lighting up the headlines.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
All right, And we will be back to put up
bow on this week.
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Speaker 3 (30:02):
Come on, Freddy, let's go right to beat.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Fred Rogan wrapping it up on a Friday afternoon. All good, hey,
before we get out of here.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Last night the Clippers were blown out by Orlando. They
fall to four and eleven on the season, and they
don't control or own their own first round draft picks
until twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
So, God, this is an old group.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I have to tell you, at what point if this continues,
do you go, Okay, it's God time. Everybody's on the blocks.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Let's rebuild. They're almost there. They're almost there. I mean,
if it continues through December or mid December, then yeah,
they got to start making plants for January.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
I agree with you, I do.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
And you know, not for lack of effort, not for
lack of trying, not for lack of conceptualizing.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
The Kawhi Paul George experiment is a failure.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
They got hurt and so now Paul George is gone.
And now if this continues, the Kawhi experiment was a failure.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
It didn't work.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
They have to own that they did the right thing.
They went for it. You can't fault them for that.
They had to do it. It failed, It just failed.
And now this, yeah, oh my god, I think about
it immediately.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Everybody go.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
Everybody in basketball analysts, expert whatever, thought the Clippers within
a short period of time, We're going to.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Win a championship.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
Yes, one hundred percent, right, everybody, one hundred percent. Everybody
thought that at some point in that four year span
of Paul George and Kawhi Leonard, they'd win one.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Let's get there.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, it proved to be a dismal failure. And I mean,
and look, you like the people that run the Clippers.
You like Steve Baumer, you like Lawrence Frank. I mean,
you like those guys. Ty Lou you like him too.
And they put in the work, and they put in
the effort. It didn't work. So if it continues this way,
(32:23):
and you might be right, first of the year, you're
gonna make a decision. Okay, you know what New Year's Sale,
anybody and everybody.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Can go everybody's available, right, what do you bring? You
want who you want? Right?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Kawhi you need him. You think he'll put you over
the top of yours. James Harden, he still got some
juice left.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Okay, he's yours. Brook Lopez, no problem, he's yours.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Anybody can go. They're going to have to start going
in that direction if this continues. Ronnie, thank you for
a great week. Thank you really appreciate it. Kevin, good
job as well. Rodney, have a great weekend, and we'll
get here on a Monday.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
You gotta go, Trojans, fight on, go, get the Oregon Ducks.
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