November 26, 2024 • 43 mins
We have an update on the contract that Walker Buehler could garner in free agency. Dan Woike hops on as the Lakers get set to face Phoenix in an NBA Cup group game tonight. Could Juan Soto really sign a 15 year contract!?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we go bred Rugan Rodney Pete on five
seventy LA Sports three hours Today. Eric Dickerson joins the program,
coming up at one o'clock. All Right, Rodney, people become
prisoners of the moment. And Walker Bueller had just a
terrific end to his playoff run this year, struggle during
the regular season coming back off the injury. At times
we really didn't know what he would be able to do.
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But when it was all said and done, he did
what needed to be done and he was on the
hill as the Dodgers wrapped up the World Series. It
was magical. Everybody got caught up in the moment. They
had seen the return of Walker Bueller, the guy we
knew and the guy that had captured the heart of
the folks in Los Angeles. That being said, all right,
he could have been given a qualifying offer. It would
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have been twenty one million dollars, and the Dodgers decided
not to give it to him. Not to give it
to him. That means he's off on his own. He
can check the market, test the waters, and then as
the Dodgers do, come on back and tell us, tell
us what a flight out there for you?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Just let us know.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Then we'll have a conversation. It's a cool thing the
Dodgers do as an organization. So now he has a
chance to test the waters. So we'll start with this.
Were you surprised they didn't even give him a qualifying
offer of twenty one million?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Uh? A little bit, but given the way the Dodgers
have worked in the past, I'm not I wasn't surprised.
I wasn't surprised because I get where they're coming from.
They don't know if he's all the way back. We
don't want to commit to that. Let's see what other
teams are thinking about him, and then we can come
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back and Matt. So, yeah, I was a little bit
surprised because he's a homegrown guy, but also not that
surprised that they didn't They didn't offer it. If it
to them, let me ask you this, though, Fred, are
you if he's given you what he gave you in
the past, and he has been lights out, He's been
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a guy that has been you know, when he was
on those two or three years he was on, he
was the top two or three pitchers in baseball. When
you say fair, yeah, fair, at least in the top five. Okay, Yeah,
he comes back and struggles, struggle, struggle, struggles, we go
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is he ever going to get back? And I think
I think that him struggling and Bobby Miller struggling at
the same time. I think put him in a kind
of in a basket together. That made it look worse.
Don't get me wrong. Walker struggled. But when he came
back in the playoffs and did what he did, do
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you give him the benefit Okay, I'm back, or do
you because he's done it before for you? Or do
you look at it going? I still need to see
a lot more from him to be able to say
that he's back. Well, here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
If the Dodgers give him a twenty one million dollar
qualifying offer, he can accept that offer. Now, if they
give him the qualifying offer and he signed somewhere else,
the Dodgers get a draft pick. But the key is
he can accept that twenty one million dollar offer and
they didn't extend it. And perhaps here is why MLB
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dot com reporting the market for him at this point
could be two years thirty two million dollars. So MLB
dot com reporting that it's sixteen million a year for Walkerbuler,
and you have to believe because of the way the
Dodgers do things that they pretty much know what the
market will be for Walker bul Or unless somebody comes
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in and just blows everybody socks off, and that's probably
not going to happen. So at first, when you said
they didn't extend that offer, you're thinking, we just saw
something that was incredible, and we did. He's not a
twenty one million dollar guy. He's not a twenty million
dollar guy. And you and I have had this conversation
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about how many years should he sign for. I said
a very short deal. You said a little longer. You said,
what if he is the guy he was? I said,
give him an apt out and then you can negotiate
and go again. But apparently the market, and the market
determines everything. The market is saying right now, he's a
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sixteen million dollar.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
A year guy, and there's nothing wrong with that. You
can certainly pay the mortgage sixteen million dollars, but he's
not a twenty million dollar a year guy. So my
question becomes this, if he comes back and he goes
I got a two year deal for sixteen million a year,
do you think the Dodgers match it. If he comes
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back to the Dodger and say I got a two
year deal for sixteen million dollars a year to die, absolutely,
Dodgy jump all over that. They should one hundred percent.
You know, you were thinking it was twenty one now
is down to sixteen, because that's what the market is saying. Again,
the market is saying that it could be anybody saying that.
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You don't know who how real that is until it
actually happens. I mean, they're talking seven hundred million dollars
for Soto. Is that real or is that gayzy? We
don't know until it actually happens. So if you're thinking
and Walker's willing to take that, and yeah, because you were,
you were debating whether or not to give him twenty
one million, and now he's down to sixteen for two
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years with it opt out. Yeah, you jump all over that.
If you're the Dodgers. I think you do too. I
think you do.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
But you mentioned somebody who I've completely forgotten about, and
that's really sad.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Bobby Miller. Do you know in all the conversations we've
had about Dodger pitching next year, we have not mentioned
Bobby Miller's name once until today, I know, and I
am talking about from the end of the World Series.
So every day we have discussed what the pitching situation
could be. Every day we have not mentioned Bobby Miller. Yeah,
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Bobby Miller is still here, by the way, which is
And Bobby Miller at one point was the future for
the Dodgers. I mean, he was the guy that he
was lights out. He was the phenom everybody got excited
about and just could not find it this year. Now
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because you had him graded where you had him, and
you brought him up and he performed for you that
one year and struggled coming back the next year, do
you give up on him or do you still believe
in he can be your future.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, I don't think you give up on him. I
think this is going to be a pretty important year
for him. Remember he had the arm last year. Yeah,
I think this would be a very important year for him.
But I don't think he give up on him. But
if you just look at it like that, now he's
in the mix, and there's this with the Dodgers going
to a six man rotation. Do you pay unless it
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is someone you consider to.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Be an ace? How much.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Are you now going to commit to your other starters
because you're going to a six man rotation. That means
you just need volume, right, you need quantity. Quality good,
but you need quantity to get you through the regular season.
And you're certainly not gonna pay six guys thirty million
dollars each.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Oh, here's a rink on that. If they go get
Tsaki right, Yeah, he's not gonna cost you anything. True,
you throw him in the mix, he's not gonna cost
you anything, so which makes the Walker Buehler situation easier
to go re sign him to me. But I don't know.
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I don't know. Do you go out? Do you have
to go out? If you strategically play this right and
you don't overwork as you found that out glass now
like you did last year. He was your ace. I mean,
there was no question he was the ace of the
staff before he got hurt. He was the stopper. He
he pitched it was okay, we're righting the ship and
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wasn't able to do it in the playoffs. But he's
still going to be your quality guy. Do you gotta
go out and sign someone else? Max Freed, Blake Snell,
anybody else? Do you need that now? Because if if
you get Walker back, do you really need that? And
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you can go get you know, Suzaki for cheap because
he's still under club controls for a number of years.
You know you're not paying any kind of money for him.
You need to go spend that money getting a pitcher
when you got all these guys coming back.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
All right, so let's just try to figure it out
real quick. Because I was writing down as you were
talking class. Now we think he's gonna be ready to
go fair. Yes, okay, he's in Otani. He won't start
the season, but he is going to be a contribute
on the mound.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
He's a part. I would put an asterisk by him.
You would, yes, because if there's any question of it's
arm and not feeling great or whatever. I'm shutting him down,
lett him go back just being a DH again. I'm
not pushing him to pitch. I'm not. I'm what he
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does know he gives me next year to me is
a bonus. Is a bonus. It'd be different maybe if
they didn't win the World Series, but they won one
with him and the guy he got here. They won
the World Series. Now they're trying to repeat. Anything I
get from him is a bonus. And the first sign
that I see that there's trouble with that arm, I'm
shutting him down. Okay, shutting him down.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
But are we assuming that something's going to happen or
at one point is he going to be a member
of the rotation and make it through. Not at the beginning,
he's a member of the rotation. June first, he's in.
He's into the rotation. Okay, good, So June first he's in.
So glasnow and Otani are now in, uh Yamamoto is in.
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There's three. Now are we going to count Sasaki? Let's
say they signed Sasaki. Now, granted he can't go as
many innings, but they're going as six man rotation.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
There's four.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Gonsolin is back. Are we going to count here? Was
a member of the rotation? If he's not there, then
I don't know what they do with him. So let's
put him in. Let's say he's there. There's five. Dustin
May is back. Are we gonna count here? Was a
member of the rotation. Do we think they might move
him to the bullpen? We'll put him in the rotation.
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They're six?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Are you okay? Go ahead, I'm sorry. All right. Now,
Bobby Miller, who we just mentioned a minute ago. I
think they're going to see what they have with him.
I think they're going to give him a shot. Okay, rotation,
Boss Seller or Dustin May. I don't know who pitches better.
I'm asking you. You don't know, We don't know. Nobody knows, no,
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Crystal Ball. If it were you, you're putting that rotation.
You got six man going who you're putting that rotation?
Dustin May, you gotta make a decision for it. Okay, Well,
I gotta see how they look in the spring. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm just saying, these are bodies. These are people that
can pitch. And if that's the case, I've just given
you seven. If Miller's effective, if May is healthy, and
if that's the case, if somebody goes down, now there's
an extra one. All right, So there's seven. Now, what
are we gonna do with Walker Buehller? Are we gonna
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sign Walker Bueller? If we do, that becomes eight?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
All right? Now we have him and we get him
for sixteen a year. Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Now, are we gonna go out and sign Corbin Burns
or Max Fried or Blake Snow.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Let's say we do. There's nine. You don't have nine
starting pitchers. Are they all gonna be great? I mean lefties? Yea, though, well,
if we sign Freed, if we sign you don't sign Freed,
you don't or Snell? Lefty or Snell or Snell? Who
who's your lefty? Oh? If you don't sign either one, Yeah,
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you don't sign either one. Oh, you don't need any.
You don't need any lefties. No, if you don't sign
either one, you don't need them. The only one you'd
have a Kershaw. And Kershall is not going to start
the season, and who knows if he's actually going to pitch.
We don't know. Hope, you don't have who's your lefty?
You don't have any. You don't have a lefty starter?
Mm hmm, you don't. And that's going to design Freed
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or Snell then right?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
And that no, And that's going to create all kinds
of problems for the opponents because every game they'll have
to have all left handed hitters.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You see Dodger's brilliant once again, they're just going from
the right side, So everybody has to stock up with
left handed hitters. I think it's brilliant. I like it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That's the kind of thinking that one number World Series.
They're so far ahead of us and going against conventional
wisdom that they know things we can't even imagine.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I don't know of all those guys you mentioned, you
went off the top and you say, okay, oh Tani
not starting to see him, but Glass Now, Yamamoto, Gonsolin,
may Miller, Nonsolyn may Miller, sos Hoki. If they him
after Glass Now and Yamamoto, my guy is Walker Bueller.
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I'm getting him back. I don't. I'm sorry. I'm getting
him back. I'm getting him back. I you know, I
saw enough that he is mentally he's back. Everything is back.
Watch how he thrives next year after having the series
that he had in the World Series and in the playoffs.
I just I knew what I had with him when
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he was right, and I think he got right in
the playoffs. And so I am not going to roll
the dice and not bring him back. And because if
he's right, he's better than may Miller, Gonstlin, all those
guys too, Walker Buehler back, No, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But then that leads to this, if they do go
out and they sign Corbyn Burns or Freed or Snell.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
That will end Walker Buller. That will end him. And
even though he's somebody I think in Sasaki, isn't it in? No,
so he's cheap. He's cheap, right, No, that won't Enki.
But that'll end Walker Buehler. So everybody else is under
control under they're under contract, correct, except for Walker Buler
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is the only one out there and not under contract?
Were Clayton? They still got to sign the back right? No,
he he opted in. Oh, that's right, he did, so
he's good. I see, I gues he opted out.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
But he says he intends to come back to the
Dodgers and won't play for anybody but the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, and so he's given them a little more flexibility
because he gets and he knows where he's at. I
see what you're saying about Butler. I think it'd be
awful to see him in another uniform. And I actually
agree with you, Rodney. I think he's gonna have a
good year.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I think he's gonna have a good year. But you
know you're not gonna pay him sixteen million dollars a year.
If you're paying this other guy thirty million dollars a
year for five years, now, I mean they're not gonna
do that. There's too many guys there. There's just too many.
I mean, they could have eleven starting pictures if everybody's healthy.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
They won't be. But think of that, that's a lot
of guys. Yeah, do you deal anyone? Yes? Who do
you deal? Don't know yet? Come on, Fred, don't know yet?
Are you dealing? You're dealing Goslin, You're dealing Dustin May.
Who you're dealing? Well, look, if you can get a
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bite another guy, I wouldn't give up on it. Like
I said before, I'm not giving up on Bobby Miller either.
I think Bobby Miller is another version of Walker Buller
with that dog in him. And I like it. And
he and he was off. You got to learn, you know,
come back from injury and got to do it right.
But man, I think his stuff, if he can get
it right and mentally, I again, I would not give
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up on that kid. All right.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I mean, who do I think will get traded? Who
would I trade? I think Gavin Luxe will get traded.
M That's what I think will happen. Because there might
not be any place for him to play. If Mookie
plays second and they signed the great Willia Damas, the
Buddy Healed of major League baseball. If they signed Willia
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Damas and Mookie plays second.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Are you saying they signed Willia Damas and Burns or Freed? Yeah,
both of them. Yeah? Why not sign just Freed or
Burns and not sign Willia Damas well.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I don't understand why. I don't understand why everybody loves
Willian Damas. That's like Jesus, you say, really a Damas,
and it's like the water.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
He's the one out there. He's the one out there though,
he's the most quality shortstop available, all.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Right, But if they're looking at a shortstop and Mookie
play second, well, then that's it for Gavin Lucks. But
then we still haven't talked about Tiasca Hernanda yet. If
they're not going to give him three at twenty a year,
then they don't think he's gonna perform, which is odd
because for the Dodgers, and again, it's not my money,
it's theirs, and twenty millions a lot of money. Maybe
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not to them, Maybe it is three at twenty for
Taska Hernandez. You gotta believe he's going to be, if
not as good, close to us good, So then you
have to fill that slot as well. And he's a
guy that everybody loved. I mean, it could come down
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to Walker Bueller or Tiascar Hernandez. There's just so many
different scenarios and the way things could play out. But
to go back to your point, I like Walker Bueller.
But there's a reason the Dodgers didn't offerm the qualifying
at twenty one million, because that's not what the market
value is. I don't know how they know that, how
they figure that out, but they figured it out.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah that's well, yeah, that's again. I don't want to
call it collusion, Fred, but it's speculation still too. I mean,
how many times we've seen the market is for this
guy is going to be this, and all of a
sudden he signs for double or he signs for you know,
two hundred million instead of one hundred and five million,
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ten million, whatever the market may be. Oh the market.
He's gonna have a great opposite. He's going to have
a great market out there, and all of a sudden
they dried up. Blake's noellw oh Man it's gonna go
crazy for Blake Snell, and he the market dried up
for him. I mean, so it works both ways. I
don't trust that's what the market is saying. I think
the NTS got Boris misplayed his hand. I think that's
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what happened there. I think he mislaid his hand. And uh,
to get seven hundred million dollars for Sodo fifteen years
is way too much for you for sure. No, we'll
do that later. But yeah, he's really misplaying his hand here.
That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I think what he did with Snell was he waited
to see what Yamamoto got. Okay, we figured out what
that was. Here's my guy. My guy's better and nobody
thought he was. Nobody was going to give him that
long of a deal. And I think that's where the
miscalculation came in that time. Oh, snow got paid a
lot per year, sure, but he wasn't gonna get Yamamoto years.
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And I gotta be honest with you, I don't think
Jan Soto's gonna get fifteen years. I don't care for
how much money. I think at the averag Daniels like
forty six million a year of good give it to
him in five years.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Done. He makes fifty million a year for five years. Goodbye,
that's it. Get a five year deal. Huh. You said
he's gonna get only get it five years? You know, No,
he's only going to get it for me. Yeah cheap. No,
I'm not cheating. I'm smart. Yeah, he's getting a ten
year deal. Good good luck to anybody who signs it
for ten years? That's great. Is it working out with Mookie?
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Is he? Yeah? It is okay? Well that Mookie together?
Is it working out for Bryce Harp in Philadelphia? It's
already worked out? What the year is Bryce Harper on
that deal? Four or five? Now? Yeah? Yeah? You don't
you think Bryce Harper is he's falling off? Now? No,
I'd love that Bryce Harper. He signed a ten year deal.
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He was a thirteen year deal and that's why the
Dodgers walked away from that. Hey, but I'm saying somebody
did that, So what you're saying that somebody's not going
to do that for somebody else?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That was then this is now, There's no way I'm
giving this guy fifteen years. He wants forty seven million
dollars a year that's kind of what it equates to,
seven hundred million.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. Yeah,
fifteen is way too much, way too much, But ten
years not too much. Ten years for a guy twenty
six is not too much. Okay, So ten years for
a guy twenty six and forty seven million a years
four hundred and seventy million, he wants seven hundred million. Yeah,
but in year five that forty seven million dollars is
going to be just average what guys are making. Okay,
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So you're getting off cheap in five years, you may it.
I'd like to get off that cheap. I'd like to
be the guy that's getting underpaid a forty seven million.
To let him go, God damn, we gotta let him go.
We're version of winning a World Series. The guy just
hit fifty bombs and one hundred and thirty RBIs and
he's had the fifth year of his contract and he's
only thirty one years old, and we got we got
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a bidding war with somebody else. Now we could have
signed it for ten years. What are we doing? What
are we doing? Cup Check is next, And I'm not
talking about Mitch cup check, that's next. Oh yes, happy
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Thanksgiving week. Not be another rival Re week. See Notre Dame.
After that blowout, that blowout of Ucla, that crushing of Ucla,
we got Notre Dame. So come on that twelve thirty.
You didn't start drinking your digit twelve thirty, you could
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not have started drinking yet. I know you didn't do that.
I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
All right, uh, cup check, grab your cup, make sure
it's on, because we've got NBA action tonight in the
Big NBA Cup, Lakers take on the Suns at Emirates Cup,
the Emirates Cup. Everybody checked your cup because we've got
basketball spring on our Laker insider Dan Wygi, Dan, you
weren't your cup tonight?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Ah? I am. I have cup fever. That's what I
would say, full on cup fever.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I like the cup. I like the cup. It needs
a better name, but I like the cup.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Well, if you have cup fever, that might mean you
have chafing.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Oh they're related related?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Are we really talking about that? All right? So Dan,
the last times.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Hold on to be clear, it's twelve thirty. Have you
been drinking?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I figured I'm stopped. All right. The
last time we talked Lakers ten and four, I said,
is it real or fool's gold? Lakers? And now ten
and seven, is it real or fool's gold?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I think they're about right kind of right now is
sort of it feels sort of what you would have expected,
maybe still a little on the positive of what you
would have expected this season. You know, you have a
team that has got a new coach, which you know,
when you've disrupted a system like that, there is too there,
there are bumps to be expected. I think, you know,
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probably the most interesting thing is that I'm looking for
is like, what is the fallout of this Denver game? Like,
how will it? You know, how will you what's the
word for recover from having your belief kind of shook it?
That's not the right word shaken. Yeah, you know, because
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I think the sense was right going into that Denver game.
And part of the reason why you change coaches to
begin with is you know, we're going to rebuild this
team in a way that is more more competitive in
these situations, at least in the ways we can now. Look,
you can you can tell me that if only the
Lakers had a better backup big they would be ready
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for Denver. But I don't think it's bad. I I
think you know, that was a team that that saw
that they're still not better than Denver and folded like
full unfolded in the second half. And that's not good.
Fred running that that's bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see
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what happens tonight. You know, this is the beauty of
the NBA, right is you don't get seven days to
gloat over your nine to seven win over U C.
L A or whatever it was. You get, you know,
you have to get right back at it, and they
get They get a real test here tonight against the Suns,
a game they need in the West, the game they
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need for the NBA Cup. This team, as I've told
you guys for a long time, loves money. They love
five hundred thousand dollars or five hundred and fourteen thousand
dollars or whatever it is this year. Yeah, this is
an important game. This is a very important game for them.
But I think I'm most interested to see, like, you know,
DIDJA want to call the naborations say was it or
is this the sign of a team that is still
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lacking something between the years at least when it comes
to the Nuggets, that that is going to bleed over
into the way that they approach. What's a pretty critical.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
On that, Dan on that can you can you get
caught up or at least the Lakers get caught up.
And I know people do get caught up and Jokics, right,
they get caught up, And it's all about Jokics versus
a D bay Ad versus Jokis. Jokis can do this
against ad. First of all, Yokis doesn't play any defense
and people score on him all the time anyway.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Right right, right now, put push back on that. I
think actually he struggles with who he bounces into him
and he can't score.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh yeah, probably adep But I'm saying in general, Ki
doesn't play defense, not like he's a stopper in there
or anything like that. But but do you think it's
it's more for me, It's more about is a better team.
They got more guys that can can fill it up
and go off on you than than the Lakers have
had for the last five years. And so yeah, it
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looks like and people will throw it out there it's
a d versus Jokis. But at the end of the day,
it's the supporting cast that Denver wins most of their games.
That because you can resign. In fact, we've had Big
Man do this over the years. Right, they're gonna get there,
Guys are gonna get there. But when you've got a
supporting cast that that also does their part, and you
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don't know who to who to guard on the even
any given night because they all can go off, that's
a tough per task. And saying let's just stop Jokic
and then we'll we'll be okay, Like everybody wants to think, oh,
let's just a d can't stop Jokis And if he did,
then then the Lakers would beat Denver all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, I think it's a twofold thing. I mean I
do think, Like I mean, I blue skied this, guys.
That's where I put all my really score is like,
you know, look, Nikola Jokic is the best player in
the world and it's not particularly close. Like, let's just
get that, like that is an established fact at this point.
(27:34):
He is the best player in the NBA. You know,
he is a dominant force that that no matter how
good or bad Denver is playing, puts them in positions
to win by not just his individual greatness as a scorer,
because by the way he can score, he makes every
he can make every shot, he can take every kind
(27:54):
of shot. But it's what he does for his teammates
what he does. And like I said, I think defensively
he's better that people give him credit for because of
his size in the league that is increasingly getting smaller
and softer, like like that dude is a brick wall
around the basket and guys bounce into him and they
don't get fouls called because they're not fouls. This is
(28:15):
like I mean eighties inability to get the line. And
I know he's had some big games against yok over
the years, and like that's because he's gonna have against
He's gonna have he's gonna have great he's gonna have
good games against him. But it's it's the but you
watched it. It's I mean, like Jokic demoralized him, and
it wasn't on the defensive end. You know, he demoralized
(28:36):
Dade because Adie couldn't score on him, Like and you
watch you watch players that like you know, rim protection
is like a twofold thing, right, like one you usually
you think of it as guys like rising up of
blocking shots at the rim. This is like people, it
was like running into a wall, and you know, and
Yokic while eighties on the ground, Yokic is springing back
the other way. That's a huge thing that has happened
(28:58):
in these games. But I I mean, can you point
to your point, but.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
No, I'm just gonna say. I mean again, I said,
he's having twenty five and nine against against Jokics, and
and then the last may I mean, everybody jumped on
Yokis because he had thirty four and whatever, twenty something
rebound whatever, anyone for forty and nobody ever cared.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I mean that was game one, right, Yeah, he went for.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Forty and everybody said killed him. So, I mean it's
I think it's a little bit like I said, it's
it's a it's again, I agree with you, Jokic is
a bad boys best in the league, but the supporting
cast of Denver outweighs the Lakers, which makes it glaringly
worse for eighty.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, I think there's something to be said that. But
I think here's the other part of it, like and
it is that I do think that there is a
like a real psychological block. Right for the Lakers with Denver,
I think that they go into those games, whether they
want to admit it or not, to some expecting to lose,
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you know, subconsciously, right. And I've seen this with other teams,
you know where just like they for like they've got
their number whatever it is, right like, and I think, yeah,
I mean it's a it's a it's a it's a
function of how the team is built. It's a function
of some of the shortcomings on the Lakers roster, right, Like,
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the Lakers are a team that, like, especially in the
front court, likes to push teams around. But when you
played Denver, and by the way, Denver didn't have Aaron Gordon,
who's been a really important part of this. But like
you know, when you when they've played Denver, you can't
push your kids around. You can't push Aaron Gordon around.
You don't push Michael Porter Junior around. Like those guys
are all bigger, all stronger than the players that the
Lakers are, as big and as strong as the players
(30:45):
that the Lakers have, and the Lakers don't have that
physical edge. They retreat a little bit. They're not as
skilled as of a shooting team, as Denver has been
in the past, and they kind of fall into a
shell a little bit. And then there's always this feeling
that whether if it's the game is close in the
fourth quarter in this case, it was early in the
third court, but it's at some point it is going
(31:06):
to start going Denver's way and the Lakers will not
be able to stop it. Like it is a it
is a play that we have seen repeated, you know,
over and over and over again, and I think I
think the Lakers have to know that. And I think
when you know, you watched the game and I talked
to some players about this, like that was felt on
the court, and not in a positive way, that like
(31:28):
there was levels of panic from players that you wouldn't
expect to panic. That there were players complaining about sort
of like the weight of the moment and kind of
like overreacting to, you know, a six to zero run,
making it feel like it was a sixty zero run.
And like I said, the Lakers imploded on themselves, which
is like why I think, I'm very curious to see
(31:49):
if this was just a one off, you know, like
these guys are a kryptonite and maybe the Lakers just
have to get lucky enough where they don't have to
play them in the playoffs, which could happen, right, certainly
not everybody has these problems with Denver, you know, like that,
Like that's like one option.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
If I told you a d has scored more points
in the games they played against each other, I would.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Tell you that. I would tell you that points are
only a part of the story.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, I will tell you. I know it's not the
points is there, but the perceptions that he killed me?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
How many? How many were? Like what's the assist? Who
is who is making who is who is making their
teammates better? Who is drawing the better Who's.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
The better team? Though? Dan, That's what I'm saying. That
goes back to my point.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I mean, like like I mean, I think like.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Knocking them down, Aaron Gordon, Winny healthy doing his thing,
you know.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I mean, I would tell you though right now, on.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
A consistent basis for the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Nobody roddy, Roddy. They just lost to a team that's
starting Christian Brown and Peyton Watson, which, like the Lakers
have a better He's a good player, He's totally fine.
But what I'm saying is though, is that it is
like the Lakers, especially this year, like should in theory
have the deeper team. You know, I think Denver's depth
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is one of the reasons why there is like a
sense of vulnerability to them and less of an inevitability.
And look, and I think the Lakers, like, don't get
me wrong, like the gap here this is the other
frustrating part. And I understand that you know Sarah's game
with Saray's game is like the gap in these games
has not been that wide, right, Like, the Lakers have
been close to beating Denver a bunch of times, but
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in some ways that almost makes it worse. Right, is that,
like you like, it is very always.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Point though it feels like there's always a point.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Keeps getting pulled away as as I tied into a
Thanksgiving game. Is that and the Lakers, just in their
most earnest Charlie Brownish way, have to keep lining up
and have to keep trying to make that kick and
they're gonna probably end up on their butt so far
against Denver and until some other holistic breakthrough happens. But but,
but guys, I will say this, if it if it
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is a psychological breakthrough. When those things do happen, it
flips quickly like and I've seen that also happen, like
the Clipper schemes that I covered. You know, the Lob
City teams had a tremendous psychological advantage over the Houston
Rockets right until they didn't right right, you know, and
(34:24):
then the Rockets flipped it on them and obviously knocked
them out in a pretty dramatic fashion.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
All right, Well we'll see what happens tonight with the
NBA Cup continuing. Dan, thank you for coming out, Freddy,
the cup.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
The cup's back, all right, Dan, thank.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
You guys, thank you for having me, Roddy. I hope
we can we can agree more in the seat say
this is good though. It was good. It was good. Healthy.
It was good healthy, talking.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
About to be healthy from time to time.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
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Speaker 1 (36:03):
All right, back to one Soto in the seventeen seventeen year,
fifteen year, seven hundred million dollar deal. So he wants
to get to seven hundred million, you space it out
over fifteen years. What does that tell me? He's not
getting the seven hundred million unless somebody wants to pay him.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And he deserves seven hundred million. You got to start there, fed,
you got to start someplace. Yeah, I'd start high, hire
and go long start at fifteen and go seven hundred
million dollars. You may end up at ten with six
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Okay, maybe you will, Maybe you will, And he should
have that. He has the right to earn it. I'm
just not paying it. Everybody has the right to make
whatever they can make. Just don't come to me to
pay that.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Okay. Would you have paid Otani? Oh? Absolutely, no matter.
Otani was a billion dollars. Going back now looking at it,
he said they want a billion dollars photo.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I don't think i'd have paid him a billion, and
I don't think they would have asked a billion.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
It's that number. Then, well I think, why why not?
Why not ask for billion? Because you're what they know?
Knowing what they know. Now, if you went bank said, look,
Otani's going to generate three billion dollars for you this
year just on his marketing and what we can do
in Japan alone. He is worth a billion dollars for
your franchise. You need to pay it to him.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
But he's not going to generate three billion dollars, right,
you know, because he's not.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Because there is a limit to everything. He's not a limit. Yeah, well,
not a limit. He's not going to make you three
billion dollars and one hour. It's not good because he's
not He's not going to make three billion dollars for
the Dodgers in one year. But I'll guarantee you this
over the life of his contract, the life of the deal. Yeah,
the life of his contract. I think. Let me think,
Let me think, let me think. No, come on, Fred,
(37:46):
he won't gonna make three billions. That's three hundred million
dollars over ten years that he's making. He made he
came close to a billion dollars this year for that franchise. No,
you know, you understand what he's doing in Japan. You
I'm going to say, idea to make with the partnerships
they got going on in Japan because of Otani.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I'm gonna say, Otani makes them one hundred and fifty
million a year. Oh, that's what I'm gonna say. And
if Lon Rosen let me tell you that out of
your mind, I'm gonna say, just Otani, ifsening.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
On the damn playing alone is one hundred million dollars Ford, No,
it's not. No, it's not not I don't think you
get how big a star he is. In Japan. I
get it. No you don't. No, I guess you wouldn't
be saying this right now if you got Well, they're
not going to make a billion dollars this year. And
if Lon Rosen is listening and he's gonna call or
(38:36):
text me, he's gonna say you're wrong. He's gonna say
you're wrong. And I'm gonna say, which one am I wrong?
Course of the contract? And he probably made it close
to five hundred to seven hundred million dollars for the
Dodgers this year. You think Otani made them five hundred
million dollars? Yes, I do, Yes, I do. Okay, well,
let's just do this five hundred I do times ten.
(38:59):
You think he made him hundred million dollars? How about
you think he made over ten years? No? No, no, no,
this year? Huh? How about you think he made him
this year? Oh yeah, he five hundred million dollars he
made him? No he did? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
he did not make five yeah yeah no yeah yeah
no oh yeah. Oh. You know what, I'll put him
(39:21):
at two hundred in the country, Fred, the country is
obsessed with the man. They did not make five hundred
million dollars they made it off of just the jersey sales. Fred, Okay,
are you kidding me? Well, all right, fine, fine, good whatever.
You're not right, but you're living in a fantasy world. Yeah,
they spent. People bought two hundred and fifty million dollars
(39:42):
for the whole two Damn right they did. No, they didn't.
In my Jack Nicholson voice, you damn right it. Yeah, illusion,
but I guarantee you this, nobody's buying two hundred and
fifty million dollars a one Sodo jerseys. I promise you that. No,
not guy. It's a bad deal. Rodney, I agree with you.
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Fifteen years is way too long, way too long. I
wouldn't go anything over ten. I would not even a
thirteen year deal that I think Machado's or Tattoos one
of those guys signed down there. That was too long.
The Bryce Howard for thirteen year deal is way too long.
Ten years. I'm cool with ten years. I'm good if
a guy is in his twenties, I'm cool with. And
this guy's twenty six, So I'm cool with the ten
(40:27):
year deal for Soto. Absolutely at thirty six, are you
telling me at thirty six he not gonna give you production.
This guy who's a a student of hitting more so
than any player in baseball, walks more, understands the strike
zone more. This guy is a student of hitting the
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baseball for ten years. You're saying for ten even if
he falls off at year seven, he's still going to
generate you the money that it was worth to give
him ten year deal. Get out of here. Fifteen I'm out.
I'm with you on that. Fifteen No way, But come on,
ten years, twenty six year old player. He's into the career.
(41:11):
It's thirty six, so he's thirty three, and you say, okay,
he's gonna fall off at thirty three. Got out of
your mind. The way baseball is going, the way the
contracts are going. At the year five, you sign him
to a five year deal, say you do half of
the ten You sign him to a five year deal
for what three hundred million dollars, two hundred million dollars,
(41:32):
five year, fifty a year, just what you want to do. Listen,
out of year deal, two fifty whatever it may be,
Give him fifty a year. You get you get done
in that five years. When he's thirty one years old
and he's he's hit you fifty dogs and one hundred
and twenty RBIs and you gotta go look up and go, damn,
(41:54):
how do we how do we sign him back? Now?
We can't even sign him back now. He just won
the MVP at thirty one. Okay, all right, listen, no world,
are you talking about? Fred? Listen, I want Mark it's
gonna be that's gonna be chump changed in five years.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Okay, listen, with all due respect, I would like to
respond to that, but I stopped three minutes ago. No,
I just stopped listening. I just couldn't even hear that anymore.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I should. We're a cheap bastard, Fred, and just admit it.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I am not a cheap bastard. I am not going
to admit that. I think you're a bit delusional. And
that's why I had to stop. I had to because
you know what, my brain, my brain was going to explode.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
But I love you, Fred, I am not a cheap bastard.
I'm not saying it for God is thirty five years old.
Gom it, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Eric Dickerson is listening, and he agrees that.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Nobody needs that. Eric Jesus, all right, Eric Dickerson joins
the show. Next, Hi, there,
All right, we go bred Rugan Rodney Pete on five
seventy LA Sports three hours Today. Eric Dickerson joins the program,
coming up at one o'clock. All Right, Rodney, people become
prisoners of the moment. And Walker Bueller had just a
terrific end to his playoff run this year, struggle during
the regular season coming back off the injury. At times
we really didn't know what he would be able to do.
(00:23):
But when it was all said and done, he did
what needed to be done and he was on the
hill as the Dodgers wrapped up the World Series. It
was magical. Everybody got caught up in the moment. They
had seen the return of Walker Bueller, the guy we
knew and the guy that had captured the heart of
the folks in Los Angeles. That being said, all right,
he could have been given a qualifying offer. It would
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have been twenty one million dollars, and the Dodgers decided
not to give it to him. Not to give it
to him. That means he's off on his own. He
can check the market, test the waters, and then as
the Dodgers do, come on back and tell us, tell
us what a flight out there for you?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Just let us know.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Then we'll have a conversation. It's a cool thing the
Dodgers do as an organization. So now he has a
chance to test the waters. So we'll start with this.
Were you surprised they didn't even give him a qualifying
offer of twenty one million?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Uh? A little bit, but given the way the Dodgers
have worked in the past, I'm not I wasn't surprised.
I wasn't surprised because I get where they're coming from.
They don't know if he's all the way back. We
don't want to commit to that. Let's see what other
teams are thinking about him, and then we can come
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back and Matt. So, yeah, I was a little bit
surprised because he's a homegrown guy, but also not that
surprised that they didn't They didn't offer it. If it
to them, let me ask you this, though, Fred, are
you if he's given you what he gave you in
the past, and he has been lights out, He's been
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a guy that has been you know, when he was
on those two or three years he was on, he
was the top two or three pitchers in baseball. When
you say fair, yeah, fair, at least in the top five. Okay, Yeah,
he comes back and struggles, struggle, struggle, struggles, we go
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is he ever going to get back? And I think
I think that him struggling and Bobby Miller struggling at
the same time. I think put him in a kind
of in a basket together. That made it look worse.
Don't get me wrong. Walker struggled. But when he came
back in the playoffs and did what he did, do
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you give him the benefit Okay, I'm back, or do
you because he's done it before for you? Or do
you look at it going? I still need to see
a lot more from him to be able to say
that he's back. Well, here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
If the Dodgers give him a twenty one million dollar
qualifying offer, he can accept that offer. Now, if they
give him the qualifying offer and he signed somewhere else,
the Dodgers get a draft pick. But the key is
he can accept that twenty one million dollar offer and
they didn't extend it. And perhaps here is why MLB
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dot com reporting the market for him at this point
could be two years thirty two million dollars. So MLB
dot com reporting that it's sixteen million a year for Walkerbuler,
and you have to believe because of the way the
Dodgers do things that they pretty much know what the
market will be for Walker bul Or unless somebody comes
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in and just blows everybody socks off, and that's probably
not going to happen. So at first, when you said
they didn't extend that offer, you're thinking, we just saw
something that was incredible, and we did. He's not a
twenty one million dollar guy. He's not a twenty million
dollar guy. And you and I have had this conversation
(04:06):
about how many years should he sign for. I said
a very short deal. You said a little longer. You said,
what if he is the guy he was? I said,
give him an apt out and then you can negotiate
and go again. But apparently the market, and the market
determines everything. The market is saying right now, he's a
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sixteen million dollar.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
A year guy, and there's nothing wrong with that. You
can certainly pay the mortgage sixteen million dollars, but he's
not a twenty million dollar a year guy. So my
question becomes this, if he comes back and he goes
I got a two year deal for sixteen million a year,
do you think the Dodgers match it. If he comes
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back to the Dodger and say I got a two
year deal for sixteen million dollars a year to die, absolutely,
Dodgy jump all over that. They should one hundred percent.
You know, you were thinking it was twenty one now
is down to sixteen, because that's what the market is saying. Again,
the market is saying that it could be anybody saying that.
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You don't know who how real that is until it
actually happens. I mean, they're talking seven hundred million dollars
for Soto. Is that real or is that gayzy? We
don't know until it actually happens. So if you're thinking
and Walker's willing to take that, and yeah, because you were,
you were debating whether or not to give him twenty
one million, and now he's down to sixteen for two
(05:32):
years with it opt out. Yeah, you jump all over that.
If you're the Dodgers. I think you do too. I
think you do.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
But you mentioned somebody who I've completely forgotten about, and
that's really sad.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Bobby Miller. Do you know in all the conversations we've
had about Dodger pitching next year, we have not mentioned
Bobby Miller's name once until today, I know, and I
am talking about from the end of the World Series.
So every day we have discussed what the pitching situation
could be. Every day we have not mentioned Bobby Miller. Yeah,
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Bobby Miller is still here, by the way, which is
And Bobby Miller at one point was the future for
the Dodgers. I mean, he was the guy that he
was lights out. He was the phenom everybody got excited
about and just could not find it this year. Now
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because you had him graded where you had him, and
you brought him up and he performed for you that
one year and struggled coming back the next year, do
you give up on him or do you still believe
in he can be your future.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Well, I don't think you give up on him. I
think this is going to be a pretty important year
for him. Remember he had the arm last year. Yeah,
I think this would be a very important year for him.
But I don't think he give up on him. But
if you just look at it like that, now he's
in the mix, and there's this with the Dodgers going
to a six man rotation. Do you pay unless it
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is someone you consider to.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
Be an ace? How much.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Are you now going to commit to your other starters
because you're going to a six man rotation. That means
you just need volume, right, you need quantity. Quality good,
but you need quantity to get you through the regular season.
And you're certainly not gonna pay six guys thirty million
dollars each.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Oh, here's a rink on that. If they go get
Tsaki right, Yeah, he's not gonna cost you anything. True,
you throw him in the mix, he's not gonna cost
you anything, so which makes the Walker Buehler situation easier
to go re sign him to me. But I don't know.
(07:52):
I don't know. Do you go out? Do you have
to go out? If you strategically play this right and
you don't overwork as you found that out glass now
like you did last year. He was your ace. I mean,
there was no question he was the ace of the
staff before he got hurt. He was the stopper. He
he pitched it was okay, we're righting the ship and
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wasn't able to do it in the playoffs. But he's
still going to be your quality guy. Do you gotta
go out and sign someone else? Max Freed, Blake Snell,
anybody else? Do you need that now? Because if if
you get Walker back, do you really need that? And
(08:37):
you can go get you know, Suzaki for cheap because
he's still under club controls for a number of years.
You know you're not paying any kind of money for him.
You need to go spend that money getting a pitcher
when you got all these guys coming back.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
All right, so let's just try to figure it out
real quick. Because I was writing down as you were
talking class. Now we think he's gonna be ready to
go fair. Yes, okay, he's in Otani. He won't start
the season, but he is going to be a contribute
on the mound.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
He's a part. I would put an asterisk by him.
You would, yes, because if there's any question of it's
arm and not feeling great or whatever. I'm shutting him down,
lett him go back just being a DH again. I'm
not pushing him to pitch. I'm not. I'm what he
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does know he gives me next year to me is
a bonus. Is a bonus. It'd be different maybe if
they didn't win the World Series, but they won one
with him and the guy he got here. They won
the World Series. Now they're trying to repeat. Anything I
get from him is a bonus. And the first sign
that I see that there's trouble with that arm, I'm
shutting him down. Okay, shutting him down.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
But are we assuming that something's going to happen or
at one point is he going to be a member
of the rotation and make it through. Not at the beginning,
he's a member of the rotation. June first, he's in.
He's into the rotation. Okay, good, So June first he's in.
So glasnow and Otani are now in, uh Yamamoto is in.
(10:10):
There's three. Now are we going to count Sasaki? Let's
say they signed Sasaki. Now, granted he can't go as
many innings, but they're going as six man rotation.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
There's four.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Gonsolin is back. Are we going to count here? Was
a member of the rotation? If he's not there, then
I don't know what they do with him. So let's
put him in. Let's say he's there. There's five. Dustin
May is back. Are we gonna count here? Was a
member of the rotation. Do we think they might move
him to the bullpen? We'll put him in the rotation.
(10:43):
They're six?
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Are you okay? Go ahead, I'm sorry. All right. Now,
Bobby Miller, who we just mentioned a minute ago. I
think they're going to see what they have with him.
I think they're going to give him a shot. Okay, rotation,
Boss Seller or Dustin May. I don't know who pitches better.
I'm asking you. You don't know, We don't know. Nobody knows, no,
(11:08):
Crystal Ball. If it were you, you're putting that rotation.
You got six man going who you're putting that rotation?
Dustin May, you gotta make a decision for it. Okay, Well,
I gotta see how they look in the spring. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I'm just saying, these are bodies. These are people that
can pitch. And if that's the case, I've just given
you seven. If Miller's effective, if May is healthy, and
if that's the case, if somebody goes down, now there's
an extra one. All right, So there's seven. Now, what
are we gonna do with Walker Buehller? Are we gonna
(11:39):
sign Walker Bueller? If we do, that becomes eight?
Speaker 2 (11:44):
All right? Now we have him and we get him
for sixteen a year. Okay.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Now, are we gonna go out and sign Corbin Burns
or Max Fried or Blake Snow.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Let's say we do. There's nine. You don't have nine
starting pitchers. Are they all gonna be great? I mean lefties? Yea, though, well,
if we sign Freed, if we sign you don't sign Freed,
you don't or Snell? Lefty or Snell or Snell? Who
who's your lefty? Oh? If you don't sign either one, Yeah,
(12:13):
you don't sign either one. Oh, you don't need any.
You don't need any lefties. No, if you don't sign
either one, you don't need them. The only one you'd
have a Kershaw. And Kershall is not going to start
the season, and who knows if he's actually going to pitch.
We don't know. Hope, you don't have who's your lefty?
You don't have any. You don't have a lefty starter?
Mm hmm, you don't. And that's going to design Freed
(12:37):
or Snell then right?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
And that no, And that's going to create all kinds
of problems for the opponents because every game they'll have
to have all left handed hitters.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You see Dodger's brilliant once again, they're just going from
the right side, So everybody has to stock up with
left handed hitters. I think it's brilliant. I like it.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
That's the kind of thinking that one number World Series.
They're so far ahead of us and going against conventional
wisdom that they know things we can't even imagine.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
I don't know of all those guys you mentioned, you
went off the top and you say, okay, oh Tani
not starting to see him, but Glass Now, Yamamoto, Gonsolin,
may Miller, Nonsolyn may Miller, sos Hoki. If they him
after Glass Now and Yamamoto, my guy is Walker Bueller.
(13:26):
I'm getting him back. I don't. I'm sorry. I'm getting
him back. I'm getting him back. I you know, I
saw enough that he is mentally he's back. Everything is back.
Watch how he thrives next year after having the series
that he had in the World Series and in the playoffs.
I just I knew what I had with him when
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he was right, and I think he got right in
the playoffs. And so I am not going to roll
the dice and not bring him back. And because if
he's right, he's better than may Miller, Gonstlin, all those
guys too, Walker Buehler back, No, I hear you.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
But then that leads to this, if they do go
out and they sign Corbyn Burns or Freed or Snell.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
That will end Walker Buller. That will end him. And
even though he's somebody I think in Sasaki, isn't it in? No,
so he's cheap. He's cheap, right, No, that won't Enki.
But that'll end Walker Buehler. So everybody else is under
control under they're under contract, correct, except for Walker Buler
(14:37):
is the only one out there and not under contract?
Were Clayton? They still got to sign the back right? No,
he he opted in. Oh, that's right, he did, so
he's good. I see, I gues he opted out.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
But he says he intends to come back to the
Dodgers and won't play for anybody but the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yeah, and so he's given them a little more flexibility
because he gets and he knows where he's at. I
see what you're saying about Butler. I think it'd be
awful to see him in another uniform. And I actually
agree with you, Rodney. I think he's gonna have a
good year.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
I think he's gonna have a good year. But you
know you're not gonna pay him sixteen million dollars a year.
If you're paying this other guy thirty million dollars a
year for five years, now, I mean they're not gonna
do that. There's too many guys there. There's just too many.
I mean, they could have eleven starting pictures if everybody's healthy.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
They won't be. But think of that, that's a lot
of guys. Yeah, do you deal anyone? Yes? Who do
you deal? Don't know yet? Come on, Fred, don't know yet?
Are you dealing? You're dealing Goslin, You're dealing Dustin May.
Who you're dealing? Well, look, if you can get a
(15:48):
bite another guy, I wouldn't give up on it. Like
I said before, I'm not giving up on Bobby Miller either.
I think Bobby Miller is another version of Walker Buller
with that dog in him. And I like it. And
he and he was off. You got to learn, you know,
come back from injury and got to do it right.
But man, I think his stuff, if he can get
it right and mentally, I again, I would not give
(16:13):
up on that kid. All right.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I mean, who do I think will get traded? Who
would I trade? I think Gavin Luxe will get traded.
M That's what I think will happen. Because there might
not be any place for him to play. If Mookie
plays second and they signed the great Willia Damas, the
Buddy Healed of major League baseball. If they signed Willia
(16:36):
Damas and Mookie plays second.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Are you saying they signed Willia Damas and Burns or Freed? Yeah,
both of them. Yeah? Why not sign just Freed or
Burns and not sign Willia Damas well.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
I don't understand why. I don't understand why everybody loves
Willian Damas. That's like Jesus, you say, really a Damas,
and it's like the water.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
He's the one out there. He's the one out there though,
he's the most quality shortstop available, all.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
Right, But if they're looking at a shortstop and Mookie
play second, well, then that's it for Gavin Lucks. But
then we still haven't talked about Tiasca Hernanda yet. If
they're not going to give him three at twenty a year,
then they don't think he's gonna perform, which is odd
because for the Dodgers, and again, it's not my money,
it's theirs, and twenty millions a lot of money. Maybe
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not to them, Maybe it is three at twenty for
Taska Hernandez. You gotta believe he's going to be, if
not as good, close to us good, So then you
have to fill that slot as well. And he's a
guy that everybody loved. I mean, it could come down
(17:49):
to Walker Bueller or Tiascar Hernandez. There's just so many
different scenarios and the way things could play out. But
to go back to your point, I like Walker Bueller.
But there's a reason the Dodgers didn't offerm the qualifying
at twenty one million, because that's not what the market
value is. I don't know how they know that, how
they figure that out, but they figured it out.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah that's well, yeah, that's again. I don't want to
call it collusion, Fred, but it's speculation still too. I mean,
how many times we've seen the market is for this
guy is going to be this, and all of a
sudden he signs for double or he signs for you know,
two hundred million instead of one hundred and five million,
(18:34):
ten million, whatever the market may be. Oh the market.
He's gonna have a great opposite. He's going to have
a great market out there, and all of a sudden
they dried up. Blake's noellw oh Man it's gonna go
crazy for Blake Snell, and he the market dried up
for him. I mean, so it works both ways. I
don't trust that's what the market is saying. I think
the NTS got Boris misplayed his hand. I think that's
(18:56):
what happened there. I think he mislaid his hand. And uh,
to get seven hundred million dollars for Sodo fifteen years
is way too much for you for sure. No, we'll
do that later. But yeah, he's really misplaying his hand here.
That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
No.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
I think what he did with Snell was he waited
to see what Yamamoto got. Okay, we figured out what
that was. Here's my guy. My guy's better and nobody
thought he was. Nobody was going to give him that
long of a deal. And I think that's where the
miscalculation came in that time. Oh, snow got paid a
lot per year, sure, but he wasn't gonna get Yamamoto years.
(19:37):
And I gotta be honest with you, I don't think
Jan Soto's gonna get fifteen years. I don't care for
how much money. I think at the averag Daniels like
forty six million a year of good give it to
him in five years.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Done. He makes fifty million a year for five years. Goodbye,
that's it. Get a five year deal. Huh. You said
he's gonna get only get it five years? You know, No,
he's only going to get it for me. Yeah cheap. No,
I'm not cheating. I'm smart. Yeah, he's getting a ten
year deal. Good good luck to anybody who signs it
for ten years? That's great. Is it working out with Mookie?
(20:12):
Is he? Yeah? It is okay? Well that Mookie together?
Is it working out for Bryce Harp in Philadelphia? It's
already worked out? What the year is Bryce Harper on
that deal? Four or five? Now? Yeah? Yeah? You don't
you think Bryce Harper is he's falling off? Now? No,
I'd love that Bryce Harper. He signed a ten year deal.
(20:34):
He was a thirteen year deal and that's why the
Dodgers walked away from that. Hey, but I'm saying somebody
did that, So what you're saying that somebody's not going
to do that for somebody else?
Speaker 1 (20:44):
That was then this is now, There's no way I'm
giving this guy fifteen years. He wants forty seven million
dollars a year that's kind of what it equates to,
seven hundred million.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. Yeah,
fifteen is way too much, way too much, But ten
years not too much. Ten years for a guy twenty
six is not too much. Okay, So ten years for
a guy twenty six and forty seven million a years
four hundred and seventy million, he wants seven hundred million. Yeah,
but in year five that forty seven million dollars is
going to be just average what guys are making. Okay,
(21:14):
So you're getting off cheap in five years, you may it.
I'd like to get off that cheap. I'd like to
be the guy that's getting underpaid a forty seven million.
To let him go, God damn, we gotta let him go.
We're version of winning a World Series. The guy just
hit fifty bombs and one hundred and thirty RBIs and
he's had the fifth year of his contract and he's
only thirty one years old, and we got we got
(21:34):
a bidding war with somebody else. Now we could have
signed it for ten years. What are we doing? What
are we doing? Cup Check is next, And I'm not
talking about Mitch cup check, that's next. Oh yes, happy
(21:56):
Thanksgiving week. Not be another rival Re week. See Notre Dame.
After that blowout, that blowout of Ucla, that crushing of Ucla,
we got Notre Dame. So come on that twelve thirty.
You didn't start drinking your digit twelve thirty, you could
(22:17):
not have started drinking yet. I know you didn't do that.
I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
All right, uh, cup check, grab your cup, make sure
it's on, because we've got NBA action tonight in the
Big NBA Cup, Lakers take on the Suns at Emirates Cup,
the Emirates Cup. Everybody checked your cup because we've got
basketball spring on our Laker insider Dan Wygi, Dan, you
weren't your cup tonight?
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Ah? I am. I have cup fever. That's what I
would say, full on cup fever.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
I like the cup. I like the cup. It needs
a better name, but I like the cup.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Well, if you have cup fever, that might mean you
have chafing.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Oh they're related related?
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Are we really talking about that? All right? So Dan,
the last times.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Hold on to be clear, it's twelve thirty. Have you
been drinking?
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Oh? Yeah, absolutely, I figured I'm stopped. All right. The
last time we talked Lakers ten and four, I said,
is it real or fool's gold? Lakers? And now ten
and seven, is it real or fool's gold?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I think they're about right kind of right now is
sort of it feels sort of what you would have expected,
maybe still a little on the positive of what you
would have expected this season. You know, you have a
team that has got a new coach, which you know,
when you've disrupted a system like that, there is too there,
there are bumps to be expected. I think, you know,
(23:40):
probably the most interesting thing is that I'm looking for
is like, what is the fallout of this Denver game? Like,
how will it? You know, how will you what's the
word for recover from having your belief kind of shook it?
That's not the right word shaken. Yeah, you know, because
(24:05):
I think the sense was right going into that Denver game.
And part of the reason why you change coaches to
begin with is you know, we're going to rebuild this
team in a way that is more more competitive in
these situations, at least in the ways we can now. Look,
you can you can tell me that if only the
Lakers had a better backup big they would be ready
(24:25):
for Denver. But I don't think it's bad. I I
think you know, that was a team that that saw
that they're still not better than Denver and folded like
full unfolded in the second half. And that's not good.
Fred running that that's bad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see
(24:49):
what happens tonight. You know, this is the beauty of
the NBA, right is you don't get seven days to
gloat over your nine to seven win over U C.
L A or whatever it was. You get, you know,
you have to get right back at it, and they
get They get a real test here tonight against the Suns,
a game they need in the West, the game they
(25:10):
need for the NBA Cup. This team, as I've told
you guys for a long time, loves money. They love
five hundred thousand dollars or five hundred and fourteen thousand
dollars or whatever it is this year. Yeah, this is
an important game. This is a very important game for them.
But I think I'm most interested to see, like, you know,
DIDJA want to call the naborations say was it or
is this the sign of a team that is still
(25:30):
lacking something between the years at least when it comes
to the Nuggets, that that is going to bleed over
into the way that they approach. What's a pretty critical.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
On that, Dan on that can you can you get
caught up or at least the Lakers get caught up.
And I know people do get caught up and Jokics, right,
they get caught up, And it's all about Jokics versus
a D bay Ad versus Jokis. Jokis can do this
against ad. First of all, Yokis doesn't play any defense
and people score on him all the time anyway.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Right right, right now, put push back on that. I
think actually he struggles with who he bounces into him
and he can't score.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Oh yeah, probably adep But I'm saying in general, Ki
doesn't play defense, not like he's a stopper in there
or anything like that. But but do you think it's
it's more for me, It's more about is a better team.
They got more guys that can can fill it up
and go off on you than than the Lakers have
had for the last five years. And so yeah, it
(26:33):
looks like and people will throw it out there it's
a d versus Jokis. But at the end of the day,
it's the supporting cast that Denver wins most of their games.
That because you can resign. In fact, we've had Big
Man do this over the years. Right, they're gonna get there,
Guys are gonna get there. But when you've got a
supporting cast that that also does their part, and you
(26:56):
don't know who to who to guard on the even
any given night because they all can go off, that's
a tough per task. And saying let's just stop Jokic
and then we'll we'll be okay, Like everybody wants to think, oh,
let's just a d can't stop Jokis And if he did,
then then the Lakers would beat Denver all the time.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, I think it's a twofold thing. I mean I
do think, Like I mean, I blue skied this, guys.
That's where I put all my really score is like,
you know, look, Nikola Jokic is the best player in
the world and it's not particularly close. Like, let's just
get that, like that is an established fact at this point.
(27:34):
He is the best player in the NBA. You know,
he is a dominant force that that no matter how
good or bad Denver is playing, puts them in positions
to win by not just his individual greatness as a scorer,
because by the way he can score, he makes every
he can make every shot, he can take every kind
(27:54):
of shot. But it's what he does for his teammates
what he does. And like I said, I think defensively
he's better that people give him credit for because of
his size in the league that is increasingly getting smaller
and softer, like like that dude is a brick wall
around the basket and guys bounce into him and they
don't get fouls called because they're not fouls. This is
(28:15):
like I mean eighties inability to get the line. And
I know he's had some big games against yok over
the years, and like that's because he's gonna have against
He's gonna have he's gonna have great he's gonna have
good games against him. But it's it's the but you
watched it. It's I mean, like Jokic demoralized him, and
it wasn't on the defensive end. You know, he demoralized
(28:36):
Dade because Adie couldn't score on him, Like and you
watch you watch players that like you know, rim protection
is like a twofold thing, right, like one you usually
you think of it as guys like rising up of
blocking shots at the rim. This is like people, it
was like running into a wall, and you know, and
Yokic while eighties on the ground, Yokic is springing back
the other way. That's a huge thing that has happened
(28:58):
in these games. But I I mean, can you point
to your point, but.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
No, I'm just gonna say. I mean again, I said,
he's having twenty five and nine against against Jokics, and
and then the last may I mean, everybody jumped on
Yokis because he had thirty four and whatever, twenty something
rebound whatever, anyone for forty and nobody ever cared.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
I mean that was game one, right, Yeah, he went for.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Forty and everybody said killed him. So, I mean it's
I think it's a little bit like I said, it's
it's a it's again, I agree with you, Jokic is
a bad boys best in the league, but the supporting
cast of Denver outweighs the Lakers, which makes it glaringly
worse for eighty.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Yeah, I think there's something to be said that. But
I think here's the other part of it, like and
it is that I do think that there is a
like a real psychological block. Right for the Lakers with Denver,
I think that they go into those games, whether they
want to admit it or not, to some expecting to lose,
(30:02):
you know, subconsciously, right. And I've seen this with other teams,
you know where just like they for like they've got
their number whatever it is, right like, and I think, yeah,
I mean it's a it's a it's a it's a
function of how the team is built. It's a function
of some of the shortcomings on the Lakers roster, right, Like,
(30:23):
the Lakers are a team that, like, especially in the
front court, likes to push teams around. But when you
played Denver, and by the way, Denver didn't have Aaron Gordon,
who's been a really important part of this. But like
you know, when you when they've played Denver, you can't
push your kids around. You can't push Aaron Gordon around.
You don't push Michael Porter Junior around. Like those guys
are all bigger, all stronger than the players that the
Lakers are, as big and as strong as the players
(30:45):
that the Lakers have, and the Lakers don't have that
physical edge. They retreat a little bit. They're not as
skilled as of a shooting team, as Denver has been
in the past, and they kind of fall into a
shell a little bit. And then there's always this feeling
that whether if it's the game is close in the
fourth quarter in this case, it was early in the
third court, but it's at some point it is going
(31:06):
to start going Denver's way and the Lakers will not
be able to stop it. Like it is a it
is a play that we have seen repeated, you know,
over and over and over again, and I think I
think the Lakers have to know that. And I think
when you know, you watched the game and I talked
to some players about this, like that was felt on
the court, and not in a positive way, that like
(31:28):
there was levels of panic from players that you wouldn't
expect to panic. That there were players complaining about sort
of like the weight of the moment and kind of
like overreacting to, you know, a six to zero run,
making it feel like it was a sixty zero run.
And like I said, the Lakers imploded on themselves, which
is like why I think, I'm very curious to see
(31:49):
if this was just a one off, you know, like
these guys are a kryptonite and maybe the Lakers just
have to get lucky enough where they don't have to
play them in the playoffs, which could happen, right, certainly
not everybody has these problems with Denver, you know, like that,
Like that's like one option.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
If I told you a d has scored more points
in the games they played against each other, I would.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Tell you that. I would tell you that points are
only a part of the story.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, I will tell you. I know it's not the
points is there, but the perceptions that he killed me?
Speaker 3 (32:20):
How many? How many were? Like what's the assist? Who
is who is making who is who is making their
teammates better? Who is drawing the better Who's.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
The better team? Though? Dan, That's what I'm saying. That
goes back to my point.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I mean, like like I mean, I think like.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Knocking them down, Aaron Gordon, Winny healthy doing his thing,
you know.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I mean, I would tell you though right now, on.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
A consistent basis for the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Nobody roddy, Roddy. They just lost to a team that's
starting Christian Brown and Peyton Watson, which, like the Lakers
have a better He's a good player, He's totally fine.
But what I'm saying is though, is that it is
like the Lakers, especially this year, like should in theory
have the deeper team. You know, I think Denver's depth
(33:11):
is one of the reasons why there is like a
sense of vulnerability to them and less of an inevitability.
And look, and I think the Lakers, like, don't get
me wrong, like the gap here this is the other
frustrating part. And I understand that you know Sarah's game
with Saray's game is like the gap in these games
has not been that wide, right, Like, the Lakers have
been close to beating Denver a bunch of times, but
(33:33):
in some ways that almost makes it worse. Right, is that,
like you like, it is very always.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Point though it feels like there's always a point.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Keeps getting pulled away as as I tied into a
Thanksgiving game. Is that and the Lakers, just in their
most earnest Charlie Brownish way, have to keep lining up
and have to keep trying to make that kick and
they're gonna probably end up on their butt so far
against Denver and until some other holistic breakthrough happens. But but,
but guys, I will say this, if it if it
(34:04):
is a psychological breakthrough. When those things do happen, it
flips quickly like and I've seen that also happen, like
the Clipper schemes that I covered. You know, the Lob
City teams had a tremendous psychological advantage over the Houston
Rockets right until they didn't right right, you know, and
(34:24):
then the Rockets flipped it on them and obviously knocked
them out in a pretty dramatic fashion.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
All right, Well we'll see what happens tonight with the
NBA Cup continuing. Dan, thank you for coming out, Freddy,
the cup.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
The cup's back, all right, Dan, thank.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
You guys, thank you for having me, Roddy. I hope
we can we can agree more in the seat say
this is good though. It was good. It was good. Healthy.
It was good healthy, talking.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
About to be healthy from time to time.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
All right, guys, have a great Thanksgiving, all right.
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Speaker 1 (36:03):
All right, back to one Soto in the seventeen seventeen year,
fifteen year, seven hundred million dollar deal. So he wants
to get to seven hundred million, you space it out
over fifteen years. What does that tell me? He's not
getting the seven hundred million unless somebody wants to pay him.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
And he deserves seven hundred million. You got to start there, fed,
you got to start someplace. Yeah, I'd start high, hire
and go long start at fifteen and go seven hundred
million dollars. You may end up at ten with six
hundred million dollars.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Okay, maybe you will, Maybe you will, And he should
have that. He has the right to earn it. I'm
just not paying it. Everybody has the right to make
whatever they can make. Just don't come to me to
pay that.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Okay. Would you have paid Otani? Oh? Absolutely, no matter.
Otani was a billion dollars. Going back now looking at it,
he said they want a billion dollars photo.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
I don't think i'd have paid him a billion, and
I don't think they would have asked a billion.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
It's that number. Then, well I think, why why not?
Why not ask for billion? Because you're what they know?
Knowing what they know. Now, if you went bank said, look,
Otani's going to generate three billion dollars for you this
year just on his marketing and what we can do
in Japan alone. He is worth a billion dollars for
your franchise. You need to pay it to him.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
But he's not going to generate three billion dollars, right,
you know, because he's not.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Because there is a limit to everything. He's not a limit. Yeah, well,
not a limit. He's not going to make you three
billion dollars and one hour. It's not good because he's
not He's not going to make three billion dollars for
the Dodgers in one year. But I'll guarantee you this
over the life of his contract, the life of the deal. Yeah,
the life of his contract. I think. Let me think,
Let me think, let me think. No, come on, Fred,
(37:46):
he won't gonna make three billions. That's three hundred million
dollars over ten years that he's making. He made he
came close to a billion dollars this year for that franchise. No,
you know, you understand what he's doing in Japan. You
I'm going to say, idea to make with the partnerships
they got going on in Japan because of Otani.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I'm gonna say, Otani makes them one hundred and fifty
million a year. Oh, that's what I'm gonna say. And
if Lon Rosen let me tell you that out of
your mind, I'm gonna say, just Otani, ifsening.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
On the damn playing alone is one hundred million dollars Ford, No,
it's not. No, it's not not I don't think you
get how big a star he is. In Japan. I
get it. No you don't. No, I guess you wouldn't
be saying this right now if you got Well, they're
not going to make a billion dollars this year. And
if Lon Rosen is listening and he's gonna call or
(38:36):
text me, he's gonna say you're wrong. He's gonna say
you're wrong. And I'm gonna say, which one am I wrong?
Course of the contract? And he probably made it close
to five hundred to seven hundred million dollars for the
Dodgers this year. You think Otani made them five hundred
million dollars? Yes, I do, Yes, I do. Okay, well,
let's just do this five hundred I do times ten.
(38:59):
You think he made him hundred million dollars? How about
you think he made over ten years? No? No, no, no,
this year? Huh? How about you think he made him
this year? Oh yeah, he five hundred million dollars he
made him? No he did? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
he did not make five yeah yeah no yeah yeah
no oh yeah. Oh. You know what, I'll put him
(39:21):
at two hundred in the country, Fred, the country is
obsessed with the man. They did not make five hundred
million dollars they made it off of just the jersey sales. Fred, Okay,
are you kidding me? Well, all right, fine, fine, good whatever.
You're not right, but you're living in a fantasy world. Yeah,
they spent. People bought two hundred and fifty million dollars
(39:42):
for the whole two Damn right they did. No, they didn't.
In my Jack Nicholson voice, you damn right it. Yeah, illusion,
but I guarantee you this, nobody's buying two hundred and
fifty million dollars a one Sodo jerseys. I promise you that. No,
not guy. It's a bad deal. Rodney, I agree with you.
(40:05):
Fifteen years is way too long, way too long. I
wouldn't go anything over ten. I would not even a
thirteen year deal that I think Machado's or Tattoos one
of those guys signed down there. That was too long.
The Bryce Howard for thirteen year deal is way too long.
Ten years. I'm cool with ten years. I'm good if
a guy is in his twenties, I'm cool with. And
this guy's twenty six, So I'm cool with the ten
(40:27):
year deal for Soto. Absolutely at thirty six, are you
telling me at thirty six he not gonna give you production.
This guy who's a a student of hitting more so
than any player in baseball, walks more, understands the strike
zone more. This guy is a student of hitting the
(40:48):
baseball for ten years. You're saying for ten even if
he falls off at year seven, he's still going to
generate you the money that it was worth to give
him ten year deal. Get out of here. Fifteen I'm out.
I'm with you on that. Fifteen No way, But come on,
ten years, twenty six year old player. He's into the career.
(41:11):
It's thirty six, so he's thirty three, and you say, okay,
he's gonna fall off at thirty three. Got out of
your mind. The way baseball is going, the way the
contracts are going. At the year five, you sign him
to a five year deal, say you do half of
the ten You sign him to a five year deal
for what three hundred million dollars, two hundred million dollars,
(41:32):
five year, fifty a year, just what you want to do. Listen,
out of year deal, two fifty whatever it may be,
Give him fifty a year. You get you get done
in that five years. When he's thirty one years old
and he's he's hit you fifty dogs and one hundred
and twenty RBIs and you gotta go look up and go, damn,
(41:54):
how do we how do we sign him back? Now?
We can't even sign him back now. He just won
the MVP at thirty one. Okay, all right, listen, no world,
are you talking about? Fred? Listen, I want Mark it's
gonna be that's gonna be chump changed in five years.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Okay, listen, with all due respect, I would like to
respond to that, but I stopped three minutes ago. No,
I just stopped listening. I just couldn't even hear that anymore.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
I should. We're a cheap bastard, Fred, and just admit it.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
I am not a cheap bastard. I am not going
to admit that. I think you're a bit delusional. And
that's why I had to stop. I had to because
you know what, my brain, my brain was going to explode.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
But I love you, Fred, I am not a cheap bastard.
I'm not saying it for God is thirty five years old.
Gom it, I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
Eric Dickerson is listening, and he agrees that.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
Nobody needs that. Eric Jesus, all right, Eric Dickerson joins
the show. Next, Hi, there,
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