November 3, 2025 • 36 mins
As we continue to walk you up to Dodgers Parade Coverage, we speak with former Dodgers GM, Ned Colletti and 1988 World Series MVP and Dodgers legend, Orel Hersheiser
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, here we go. We continue on freend Rogan
Rodney Pete nine five seventy LA Sports. Uh, all right,
later this hour, I'm gonna talk about this social media
thing that I don't get. You know, you hate us.
If your aus, that'll be the cheese. Then we'll get
to that coming up. And now let's just talk some football.
What's coming up this weekend? Are Insider or Our buddy
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Vinnie bon Signor joins the program. Vinny, good afternoon to you.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, Vinnie, Vinny, we got to start.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I mean, I know we're gonna get to the to
the local teams, but last night it is the Jackson
Darton show Man, the Jackson Darton scatable taken the league
by storm, Vinny.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
What in the world?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And and and right on time for Brian table Man,
I think he's starting to feel a little bit better
about his job security right now. And along with that
with the uh, the general manager, because it sure looks
like they hit on this, whether it was the quarterback,
the running back, don't forget they got up Bill Carter
to a pretty darn good defensive player as well. So
this is looking like one heck of a draft for
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the New York Giants is exactly what they needed. And
it starts with the quarterback Jackson Dart, the former USC
trojan who went to Ole Myth and uh, you know,
learned under our good friend Lane Kiffin and obviously Lane
Todd a lot, because he just looks like the real deal.
He looks like somebody that fits New York. Has that.
I know he's from Utah, but he kind of has
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that California so cal West Coast kind of vibe to him,
and talking to him, he definitely embodies that. So so
I think I think the Giants are onto something. And
then you get the pattering ram that Cam scattabu is,
who's brought a level of physicality to to the Giants
running game, and and I think that that ignites your
whole team and it could demoralize the other team and
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gets the fan base Craig going crazy. So it feels
like it feels like things are moving in the right
direction for the Giants.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
All right, let's talk about what's coming up this weekend
for everybody. I want to start at home with the
Raiders with you, Vinny and Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, and you know it's I don't remember the last
time the Rams, Chargers, and Raiders all went into a
game coming off losses, like it was over three for
the three teams. You know that that Southern California is
most interested in. But you know, for the Raiders, this
is without question, I must win. It's a beatable team.
The Tennessee Titans are not very good. Despite what happened
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against the Cardinals last week. I talked to somebody in
the in the Titans organization, is like, we finally found
somebody that could play worse than we could, and they
literally handed the game, you know, to the Titans on
a silver platter. Now, cam Ward played a great fourth
quarter in that game, completed seventy two percent of his
passes one hundred and sixty three yards the Titans only
sixteen point run in the fourth quarter. But I mean,
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you look at this roster and it's just not very good.
And you know, the Raiders should have a chance to
be able to run the ball against the third worst
running team in the rushing defense in the NFL. Ashing
genty could be lined up for a big day, you
know Smith, you know, throwing against a bad defense. Time
for him to get back on the right track. So
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everything points to a Raiders win. But here's the thing.
The Raiders have shot themselves in the foot so many
different times this year, and it's why they're one and four.
They're not getting their butts feed up and down the
football field. What's happening is they are committing huge mistakes.
I've got a punt block that set up a touchdown.
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They've got a field goal block that denied them a touchdown.
They've thrown interceptions in the red zone, both Theirs and
the other teams, you know, to take quick points from
themselves and give points away to the other team. They could,
ever just stop doing those types of mistakes. They're going
to give themselves a chance. But I don't care who
they're playing, could be the Tennessee Titans or the now
suddenly research in New York Giants. If you don't take
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care of the ball and you commit bad plays in
Keith situation, you're not gonna win much in this league
at all.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
So very stand right there. I mean Gino is there
were so high hopes for him to start the season
with the Raiders and coming in and getting the deal,
and he had a you know a few good years
in Seattle and everybody's excited. What do you think, Benny,
what do you think is going on with him? Is
it just a new situation, new offense with Chip Kelly
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that he hasn't felt because he looks very uncomfortable right now.
And and I'm a big fan of Gino's man. I
thought it was a great move for the Raiders and
and still think it can work out. But what do
you have they addressed it and they're thinking about it
or are they just saying we just got off to
a bad start and things will get better. I mean,
how are they approaching it? And now?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Is Gino handling it well?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Number one? It helps Gino that Pete Carroll is the coach,
and Pete Carroll's seen him at his best, so he's not,
you know, it doesn't have any quick quick you know
gun or itchy finger because he knows that, look, this
is not the quarterback. This is not the quarterback that
I've seen. I've seen the really good Geno and I
think that the really really good Geno Smith is right
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around the corner from happening. So so the job is
secure and the you know, less pressure in that regard.
But I wanted to ask you this, You know, Roddie
and I've been kind of banning this one about this
is really the first time that Gino has been kind
of annointed in the guy, right, I mean, he we
know what the story is. It didn't last too long
in New York that he was It felt like he
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was on a career path of being a backup quarterback,
never lost faith in himself, but was never really given
an opportunity. Then when he did, it's this great story. Oh,
Gino Smith, you know, I took the opportunity and ran
with it. But even in Seattle, was never like, this
is the guy we're gonna build a team around, and
we're gonna give him the contract and all that sort
of thing. That's this is the first time that he
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comes to a situation as not the savior, you know,
but but the anointed starter, the highest paid guy on
the team or one of the highest guys, you know,
paid guys on the team. It's you're it's you're the starter,
You're the face of the franchise. He's never really experienced that,
and I'm wondering if maybe he's struggling with that a
little bit, the pressures that come with that, and and
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maybe the pressure that he puts on himself because of that,
And I'm just I just wanted to throw that out
to you to to to ask if I could that
be a different mindset for Gino Smith kind of than
being the underdog. He's the guy that everyone now is
looking fun.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean, there's definitely something to that.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
When you are anointed as the guy and you get
the big deal and you come to a new team,
it can't affect you.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But for me, he's it'd be one thing if this is.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
His second or third year in the league, right and
his new team he just came and he's still kind
of green, but he's been in the league for a
while now, so it shouldn't really be that much of
a factor for him to be anointed as as the guy.
Because again, as you mentioned, it wasn't It wasn't the
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guy in Seattle that they were going to build around.
It was it did feel like they were always looking
for the next guy, you know, and they end up
getting Sam Darnold and they feel like he's their future
for the next five years or whatever. But it didn't
feel like that for Gino in Seattle, although he played well,
and this is I agree with you the first time
he's really gotten really the keys to the kingdom. And
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and and it's a different scenario, but he's he's a
veteran enough that he should handle it.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Bennie.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, and uh, you know, talking talking to Pete and
talking to to Gino and talking to Chip Kelly. I mean,
there is a firm belief that that you can get
it square away, that he's gonna the level of play. Well,
we'll go back to it like this is just it
feels like he's an a rut or a funk. You know. Uh,
this is this is not the Geno Smith that that
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Pete knows or that Gino knows of himself for the
last three years. And there's a belief that eventually it's
gonna work its way back to you know, balance and
balance things out. And if that does happen, then that
really does get the Raiders a much better chance to
be competitive in the football him.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, let's go Rams at Baltimore. You know, Baltimore
at another starting quarterback. So you think it makes it
easier for the Rams.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Don't you, Vinny, Yeah, it does. But you know what,
the Rams just played a team without their starting quarterback
at home by the way, uh, and lost that game
for forty Niners. And the forty Niners are banged up,
you know as well. It's not just that they don't
have their quarterback. They there's there's a few guys on
that team that they didn't have and somehow, some way,
the forty Niners were able to to find a way. Now,
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granted it doesn't help. You know, Karin Williams fumbles the
ball at the goal line. Not to put the big
finger on him, but that changes the game. He scores
that touchdown. The Rams win that game. So it's a
long trip to Baltimore. It's a tough place to play.
But I think without Lamar Jackson, this is this has
got to be a get right game for for the Rams,
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you know, and don't don't go screwing around and and
you know, kicking away great opportunities like this. I think
they kind of squandered one against the forty nine ers.
They kind of hard to squander this one.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, so let's go uh, you know Chargers, Benny, I
was at that game, uh, and they got manhandled, especially
for three quarters against the against the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
What started off as very.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Promising and looked like they they were at for the
really for the first time, felt like the Chiefs were
not the team to beat. It felt like the Chargers.
And now all of a sudden, I don't feel so
confident about the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah. And you know it also shows you, you know,
there's a Curson others, there's there's parody in the NFL.
You know that, Rodney, and you start losing some key
players like offensive lineman like the like the Charge and
we're not just talking about you know, plugging offensive lineman.
We're talking about very very good offensive lineman that that
that protect you know, your most expensive of and most
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important player in Justin Herbert right now without the benefit
of of what what would have it would have been
a great offensive line was started out to be. A
good offensive line is anything but right now, and Justin's
just getting hit left and right, and that's that's definitely
not sustainable and that certainly, uh, you know, hurts them,
and it just hurts their whole operation. It's not right now,
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it's not what who the Charger to wanted to be
and who they look like early in the season. They're
losing running backs as well, so they're going to have
to somehow, some way withstand this a little injury bug
that they're going through and get stabilized and and and
hope for a return of health for some of those
guys at least to give the least that they can
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start playing at that close to full strength. Because right now,
like I said, with parody, the way it is in
the NFL, we've seen that here with the Raiders. You
lose like a guy like brock Vouer, and it changes
your whole offense. It's not an excuse either. That literally
changes everything about the offense. And you know, without your
two tackles, that just the real big problem for the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Then let's just be honest. Everybody agrees, and he'll agree
with this, right justin Herbert has incredible talent, right, yes, absolutely,
so we agree with that.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
We agree. But here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
There's a point in time where you got to make
that leap, you know what I mean? For however you
do it, you gotta do it. And to me, this
seems like a do it year for him. Does that
make sense?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Right? Yeah? It does? And uh and you know, if
and if these are prolonged injuries for some of these
guys and they don't get it done. You know, there
goes the okay, you know, well, there's there's a plausible
explanation for this. You know, he didn't have you know,
his full arsenal of players around him, and you know,
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on some level that is plausible. But to your point,
when you when you take a step forward and become
that guy and not just a guy or a pretty
big guy, but a great guy. You know, the Patrick
mahomes and and other great quarterbacks have been able to
survive and win and win big even when you know
some of their some of they don't have some of
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those great teammates around them. And we haven't seen Justin
do that even with a full arsenal uh and and
full group. So there is still a little bit of
doubt and it becomes here comes another excuse, you know,
for for Justin Herbert and and we've there's been a
lot of those, you know, since he came into the
into the NFL. It's been kind of more that than
than anything else. As good as he is, it always
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feels like at the very end of the year, there's
some kind of explanation or excuse, and and for him
to get to that next level, he's got to put
all those aside and just get the job done. All right.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah, it's easy when you you said it earlier.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Man, it's easier said and done.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
But when you get hit, when you're getting hit thirty
times a game, it's hard to make it happen.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's why I it's why. You gotta you gotta really
put it into perspective, like you can hit at you know,
it's an alarmingly high rate, and you know what that
does to a quarterback, Rodney, It's just you can't. You
can't function like that in the NFL. He's a good
runner and all that kind of stuff, and hey, you
get beat down physically and mentally, and you know, then
you start losing games. It's not a good world to
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be in as a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, Bennie, thanks for being in our world today.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It means the world to weak. All right.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I appreciate it, and go Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Thanks. Vinnie.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
All right, there's our buddy, Vinnie Bond Senior. When we
come back. How did the Phillies feel about what happened
last night? Well, we're going to take it to the
Phillies postgame show, because that's always a treat. Also want
to talk about what is going on in social media
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with the Philly fans.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
All right, here we go, keeping it down, winding it down,
down the home stretch. Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan on a
beautiful Friday, A Friday, Man, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Ask you this.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, who do you prefer to play? You prefer to
play the Cubbies or the Brewers.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well, I look at it like this. Whoever the Dodgers
end up playing, good luck to them. But I think
I'd rather play the Cubs. I know the Cubs are
hitting the ball, I know that, but I think I'd
rather play the Cubs. I think I'd rather finish the
way we started. We started with the Cubs, and we'll
finish with the Cubs. Yeah, yeah, I think I think
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you're right. Milwaukee's a deeper team. We've seen, you know
that the from them, even though they lost these last
couple of games in Chicago. But they are This regular
season was not a fluke.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
They are a good, good team with good pitching and
a couple guys that are very hot right now offensively.
So I think they would match up really, really good
with the Cubs.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
All right, let me tell you the story we what
kind of bothered me last night? Checked it again today,
still annoying.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So hear this.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
You got these people in Philadelphia right now. We know
the game was a three eight start here in Los Angeles.
Three o eight is a tough time, a tough start
time in La Okay. When you saw pictures of the
stadium throughout the evening, there were people in the stands
and I have.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
To give them credit.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
We know three oh wait, it's a tough time to
get to a game here, is that fair, Rodney?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Oh yeah, one of the worst times you can get
to the game. All right.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So anyway, these people from Philadelphia, and it started early
and it continued on. They were very, very sharp, and
that when the cameras panned the crowd, they'd freeze it
and take shots of empty seats, take shots of empty seats,
and they would continue to post what kind of fans
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are these? These people don't care, They've got other things
going on in their life. They don't even show up.
So you see one or two of them, you go
to yourself, well, all right, these people are idiots anyway,
they don't know and you can do anything on social media,
but that it continued, and it continued, and actually it
became people are the same, multiple, kind of group multiple,
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and it became more of a trend basically criticizing the
fans here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Oh so they were kind of attacking the fans of
LA of not showing up for the Dodgers not being here,
that that filling the stands.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Is that what they're kind of insinuating. Yeah, that's what
they were doing.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
And again, we know the Dodgers drew over four million
fans this year, and you know what, to even say
anything about it, to defend it is asinine. There is
no reason to defend it, right, It's indefensible.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
But yeah, these stats don't matter, I guess because, like
you mentioned, the Dodgers out draw anybody in Major League
Baseball and have or I don't know how long over
four million fans. I mean, you can't argue with that.
That's just real facts. So what are we talking about, Well,
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you can't argue with this. They're also the top road
draw in baseball. Yeah, so look at it like this,
in whatever stadium in this country the Dodgers are playing
in on a specific night, there will be more fans
at that game than any other game. Maybe that's the
best way to look at it. You're the top road draw,
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you're the top home draw. So that means wherever you
are playing, be it at home in Los Angeles, or
you're playing the Pirates in Pittsburgh, whatever, the average attendance
in Pittsburgh normally is is going to be increased dramatically
because the Dodgers are there so for people because now
you got to go you got to start picking on things, right,
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you hate us because you hate us, so now we're
going to.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Say, well, here's your problem, and we're better fans in there.
We get it. We know not those people, they don't
know anything.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
That cuts deep when they say that, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You know it does cut deep. It cuts deep. And
here's why do not tell the people that live in
this city they are not true fans. Don't do that
because it is insulting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I look at the fan.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
We do this for a living, so we know, we know,
we know that the people that like the Dodgers listen
to the radio show, and a lot of people listen
to the radio show because they like the Dodgers. We
got it. We understand how this works. And it's just ignorant.
It's ignorant, it's insulting, it's kind of just playing out stupid.
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It's kind of if you do that, you're not the
kind of people we even want to know. You're not
stupid people. They're stupid, and there's aggressively stupid. Stupid people
don't know they're stupid. Aggressively stupid people do know and
they continue to be stupid. That is aggressively stupid.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I like that term. Aggressively stupid.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
It's true. Okay, right, you know, you know somebody and
you know they just don't have it or they're saying
stuff that makes no sense and everybody in the room
knows it. So instead of going, hey Joe, I got
to be honest with you. You're wrong about that, or
even if you tell them, hey Joe, I gotta be
honest with you, you're wrong about that, he goes, Oh no,
I'm not, and let me tell you more about what
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is wrong that I'm saying. That's aggressively stupid, and that's
kind of what that was. They just bothered me, it
really did. I mean, you were playing in the Division series,
your team has a chance to go to the league
Championship series, perhaps to the World Series. It's a seminal
year for the Phillies because that team is going to
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look different next year because of the free agents. It's
going to look different. That was the window for that group.
That was it. There was their window for that particular
group of players. And what you take away from that is, well, look,
there's empty seats in LA. There's empty seats. That's what
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you took away from it. A team that many thought
would win the World Series this year, really before the season,
they were right there with the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
It was at the upper upper right field corner section
of Did you see it, because that's you know where
it was.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, I saw that shot.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And that's where it was. Now, if you captured that shot,
and that was the only shot, you captured that only
image and showed that and said nobody showed up, But
that was the only image you showed. Yeah, you go,
where is everybody? There's nobody in the stadium. But as
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I watched the game, which I did, stadium looked pretty
full to me. Yeah, gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, And was a shot at you know, top of
the first inning, you know, before the game really gets
underway and gets going.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Yeah, as people are three o'clock in LA trying to
get the Dodger Stadium, which people outside of LA don't
necessarily understand how sometimes challenging it is to get the
Dodger Stadium at three o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, it's
just TICKI tag but you know, love.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
My city of brotherly love. But sometimes they can be
a little obnoxious. Freddy.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, that being said, now let's take a listen to
a portion of the Phillies postgame show on their own
network after the first loss. We know what they sounded like.
So now the season is over, it has come to
an end. Understand, these are employees, I believe some of them,
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of the Phillies. So let's hear the hand.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I'm really ticked off right now, Michael, be honest with that.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
This is to have it end that way, Just.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Take it again, breath, just pick it up and you
can run an underhand it to first base.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I mean, it's obviously just panicked and I don't know,
I just couldn't deal with the moment.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I guess at the time.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
It's a really rough way to lose and to end
your season when you have a comebacker like that and
a basically very simple play earlier in the game. Christopher Sanchez,
on the other hand, made a heck of a play
under the same sort of circumstance. Came off the mountain
and threw a strike to Bryce Harper to make that play.
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But it's clear that Ryan Kirkring was not in the
right state of mind. I probably would have just let
Lozardo face the right hander. He had nasty stuff O'Ryan
sadly has proven that he hasn't been able to get
out of those situations, and Lozardo looked like he was
actually throwing.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
The ball real well.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
I probably would have stayed with him.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
And if I was going to lose the game, rather
lose the game with a guy like Lizardo. Right now,
with the way he's thrown and the way he looked
on the mound, I liked his demeanor on the mound.
He wasn't he wasn't baffled, he wasn't scared. It looked
like he still had good stuff. But they, you know,
they went to uh Kirkering because of the.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Right on righty and it didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Mm hmm, there it is. It sounded kind of calm
and rational.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Friend I think one of them said, I'm not sure,
I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Maybe we edited down.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I think one of them said, I wouldn't even put
him in the game.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
I did cut that part out. Yes, he wouldn't even
put him in the game. He said he would not
put Kirkering in that situation with men on base.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh god.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
He sounds like honest analysis to me, like.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, just straight up.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Look, they they they watched him on a regular basis
more so than we do, so they you know, they
can comment on it. But man, just after the fact,
right twenty twenty analysis. But do you think because people
were talking about this that and Kevin mentioned it on
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our text string about walking Otani in that moment, did
you agree with that even though old Tani has been struggling,
walking him to load the bases for Mookie bets. Yeah,
you set up a force in any base.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
And here's the funny thing. We were talking about this earlier. Okay,
I said Otani's no a liability in the leadoff spot.
Move him, and you know everybody went to shut up, Fred,
They're not moving him out of the leadoff spot. But
here's the other side of it. Right now, he can't
hit his hat size. We should be fair.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Not only that he's not even making contact a lot
of times so close Duran could have struck him out
fairly easily the way he's been hitting, so the force
at every base, he's not even going to make contact.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
But here's the thing, Kevin, and here's the thing, and
you said it earlier, Rodney. Yeah, but he might. That's
the problem.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He might.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And they're always aware of that, right.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
When you kind of I mean, at that point you
traded for Duran to be your star closer. You have
your best on the mound against their best. I'd like
to like him go toe to toe and if your
best beats my best, and so be it in a
game like that.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, but didn't you say last night their best has
struggled lately?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Did I say that? I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I think you said he hadn't been real sharp.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Well I did say so as of that inning. Yes,
so he was fairly wild. He was all over the place,
which I think Taal bailed him out. They could have
liked he would have walked in the second run. They
would wouldn't even gone to extra innings at that point.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
They el swung at two that were just bad balls.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Tail walked.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I would have walked.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
You would have walked on four pitches easily.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, And and he he bailed him out. Here's what
I was surprised about. He brought the ran in with
one out in the seventh, right in the seventh.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Yeah, it was the seventh.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yes, yeah, one out. He's going to go two and
two thirds innings. No he's not. I don't care if
he doesn't do anything wrong. I don't care if he's
he's being mowing him down. There's no way that guy's
going to go two and two thirds innings. Why would
you bring him Did you think about what might happen afterwards?
Did that enter your mind? Well, we better got out
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of this, so we'll put him in right here. But
then what then?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
What happens?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I know what happened? Then then what is you worry about? Then?
What when?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
What comes up? But at that moment and high leverage,
you got to find a way and go to your
best opportunity to get out.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Let me ask you this there, Let me ask you this.
And they lost. It's over, so we're just chopping it up.
Let me ask you this. He went to Sanchez didn't
he how'd he look once a lizarda Lazardo?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
How do he look amazing?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Okay, why did you put Lazardo in earlier? And then
you have Duran to close the game, because certainly Lazardo
could have gone.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
I mean, the thought might have been that Duran was
more rested than Loazardo. You have Lazardo in your back
pocket if you need him, but you're hoping that you
put your best guy in there in a high leverage
situation and you can get those out so you don't
have to worry about bringing Lazardo in. He was maybe
a break glass in case of emergency. Guy could be
considering he was only on a couple of days rest.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, that's fair, but it was an emergency. I'm glad
they did what they did. Don't get me wrong. I'm
glad Dave left Szaki in there. Yeah, I'm glad he
did that.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah. Were you nervous when it gets.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
No, he's going he's going to three you know, three innings.
You know you wanted him to keep going, right, but
as it kept going, you knew at some point somebody
else was coming in.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Darian, I know what you're gonna say, Fred yeah, when
Blake trying and stood up in the bullpen.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yah, we all saw it. Everybody saw it. I knew it.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
This is so odd when I saw him get up.
This is terrible, and I'm sorry I would Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
No, no, now that is really bad.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I'm sorry. Not the only one, but I'm sure a
lot of people went, oh no, we don't no, no,
no no, and he was next so to me, to me,
so if if the game went thirty seven innings, Sazaki
was still pitching, he was not coming out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Oh yeah, bringing in uh who they bring Investia? Right, yeah,
bringing Investia. Were you okay with that? Or would you
have left Sauzaki let him just keep going.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Do you want the truth of what I would really do? No,
I want you to lie to me, Fred Okay here, Rodney.
I thought it was brilliant and Vessia did a great job,
and he got a little help from Harrison batter that's
for damn sure I.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Did, because that was what that was a three two count.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Yeah, when it was a phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
He battled him.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Nine to ten pitches. He took.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Vessie and then swung at that that change of outside
that was like two feet off the plate. God, but yeah,
it was it was up to the up until then
it was it was a great grated bat. So how
were you when Vessie came in?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
In the words of Dave Roberts, In the words of
Dave Roberts, when the accusation was manday Mchatto threw the
ball at the Dodger dugout remember that after warm up
chant threw the ball at him, But he really didn't.
But when David has the bouty he goes. It was
unnerving when I saw Vessia and I like him. I
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think all fans like him, and we trust him and
believe in them, and he's delivered in huge moments. But
as it has gone this year, when I saw that,
it was unnerving. That's what it was, because I was
come in the game. When you saw him come in
a game, yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Room for you.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
When he came in, that meant Sazaki was done right
right right then, Everything to me was unnerving. Everything it
was like, oh, no, I know, you know, it's insane.
I would not take Sazaki out when.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
She was in the I know we don't have time,
but dude, to go back, I don't even know it
was like maybe three weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Fred talk about Sauzaki. He's just an adventure. I would
not bring him out of the pen.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's right right, you know, he's just an adventure.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
He's all over the place. You never know what he's
gonna get. I would never bring him out of the pen.
He's a starter. But man, you bring him in, he
can't find his driding zone.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I did say that, No, no, never take him out. No, no,
because maybe you don't understand this. Maybe you don't understand this.
Life is fluid. There are no absolutes. Life is fluid,
there are no absolutes. But no, I just thought, keep
him in, do not take him out. Anyway, all's well,
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that ends well. So, uh, if Milwaukee wins, Dodgers open
on the road, If Chicago wins Kevin, Dodgers open here.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Correct, that is correct? In Game one will be Monday, regardless.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yes, so it's Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, I think, yes, okay,
best of seven in this go round.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Hey, you surprised real quick. I forgot that they don't
do the man at second base. The next Granny's in
the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
I know, thankfully.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh yes, really, it's the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Fred earn it. I understand if it's the middle of
July and you don't want to run through your pitching
staff in a sixteen inning game or something, but you
have to earn every Look at how last night ended.
Earn every single base runner. I would hate for a
game to end because a guy hits a single on
a guy who's already standing on second base and the
game ends that way. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Well, everybody that was sitting there with Rodney did exactly
what you did. Oh yeah, they don't start with a
runner on second base, And everybody sitting there and went good.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Right, good for everybody? Did that?
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Good for them?
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah, gotta earn it, and you gotta earn it, man, Yeah,
because it was like, oh, okay, who's gonna start on second.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
I would say, wait, oh, here we go, because you know, again,
it's easy to get a cheap run in those situations,
and you don't want it to be after a game
like that where the pitching was phenomenal to have it
in because you start a runner at second base and
somebody got a bloop single that scores that run from
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second base, and it would be bad.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It's bad luck.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, and I'm glad they didn't go to my plan
of home run derby to breaking a tie game last night.
I think the Mountains.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Gyles Schwarvers would have counted as three.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, I think so, depending on how far you hit,
it is how many you get credited for. Oh that
and that is a highlight from that series. Folks, it's
over Dodgers when but come on, you got to give
it up for that. You gotta give it up for
that home run that Schwarver hit. All right, so we'll
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come back and wrap this up.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Let's do it.
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Speaker 4 (34:02):
Wip Here we go wrapping it up on a Friday.
I hope you all have a good weekend. I know
I am Fred because the Trojans are gonna beat the
Michigan Wolverines.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
That's all that matters. That's all that matters. Baby we go. Basically,
you got nothing to worry about in baseball. That's nothing,
nothing chilling till Monday. Okay, quickly. Tigers are Mariners.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Oh, I'm going Detroit, Fred. They got some uh.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
And even though the Mariners have beat him, they think
the last three times. H I gotta go with him.
He's the cy young winner and this do or die game.
I think he's gonna be unhittable today, and they let
they let him go fifteen innings.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
It danced to be.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Cubs are Marinders.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Cubs your earth.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I gotta yeah, I'm going Brewers at home deciding game.
I just think the uh. I think the Brewers and
from a pitching standpoint, still got a lot of firepower.
I'm going Brewers at home.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
All right?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Who you got? I got Tigers. I gotta be Tigers.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
My classic World Series, my old time would be Tigers Dodgers.
Dodgers have to win. Tiger's Dodgers would work for me.
Cubby's Brewers. You know what I'm I got. I can't
walk it back, Rodney, I can't. I gotta go Cubs. Yeah,
and Ted Sobel who listens to the show, Kevin, you
know him, Barry Well, uh, he has sent me a
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text saying if there was a game in Los Angeles
next Tuesday, it will probably be postponed.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Heavy rains are in.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
The forecast, oh for Tuesday, for Tuesday. Okay, so if
and Ted sobl knows because he's also a meteorologist.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Well you say, aren't we all Fred? That's that's a.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Meteorolog that you. Huh, aren't you the walking Doppler.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
People say, my god, I've never seen anybody with as
large as doppler as you have.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Ronnie, thank you, great week, great week, Kevin, appreciate it
very much. Have a terrific weekend everybody. Rodney, We're back Monday, sir,
All right, here we go. We continue on freend Rogan
Rodney Pete nine five seventy LA Sports. Uh, all right,
later this hour, I'm gonna talk about this social media
thing that I don't get. You know, you hate us.
If your aus, that'll be the cheese. Then we'll get
to that coming up. And now let's just talk some football.
What's coming up this weekend? Are Insider or Our buddy
(00:22):
Vinnie bon Signor joins the program. Vinny, good afternoon to you.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Good afternoon, gentlemen.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah, Vinnie, Vinny, we got to start.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
I mean, I know we're gonna get to the to
the local teams, but last night it is the Jackson
Darton show Man, the Jackson Darton scatable taken the league
by storm, Vinny.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
What in the world?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
And and and right on time for Brian table Man,
I think he's starting to feel a little bit better
about his job security right now. And along with that
with the uh, the general manager, because it sure looks
like they hit on this, whether it was the quarterback,
the running back, don't forget they got up Bill Carter
to a pretty darn good defensive player as well. So
this is looking like one heck of a draft for
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the New York Giants is exactly what they needed. And
it starts with the quarterback Jackson Dart, the former USC
trojan who went to Ole Myth and uh, you know,
learned under our good friend Lane Kiffin and obviously Lane
Todd a lot, because he just looks like the real deal.
He looks like somebody that fits New York. Has that.
I know he's from Utah, but he kind of has
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that California so cal West Coast kind of vibe to him,
and talking to him, he definitely embodies that. So so
I think I think the Giants are onto something. And
then you get the pattering ram that Cam scattabu is,
who's brought a level of physicality to to the Giants
running game, and and I think that that ignites your
whole team and it could demoralize the other team and
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gets the fan base Craig going crazy. So it feels
like it feels like things are moving in the right
direction for the Giants.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
All right, let's talk about what's coming up this weekend
for everybody. I want to start at home with the
Raiders with you, Vinny and Tennessee.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah, and you know it's I don't remember the last
time the Rams, Chargers, and Raiders all went into a
game coming off losses, like it was over three for
the three teams. You know that that Southern California is
most interested in. But you know, for the Raiders, this
is without question, I must win. It's a beatable team.
The Tennessee Titans are not very good. Despite what happened
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against the Cardinals last week. I talked to somebody in
the in the Titans organization, is like, we finally found
somebody that could play worse than we could, and they
literally handed the game, you know, to the Titans on
a silver platter. Now, cam Ward played a great fourth
quarter in that game, completed seventy two percent of his
passes one hundred and sixty three yards the Titans only
sixteen point run in the fourth quarter. But I mean,
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you look at this roster and it's just not very good.
And you know, the Raiders should have a chance to
be able to run the ball against the third worst
running team in the rushing defense in the NFL. Ashing
genty could be lined up for a big day, you
know Smith, you know, throwing against a bad defense. Time
for him to get back on the right track. So
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everything points to a Raiders win. But here's the thing.
The Raiders have shot themselves in the foot so many
different times this year, and it's why they're one and four.
They're not getting their butts feed up and down the
football field. What's happening is they are committing huge mistakes.
I've got a punt block that set up a touchdown.
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They've got a field goal block that denied them a touchdown.
They've thrown interceptions in the red zone, both Theirs and
the other teams, you know, to take quick points from
themselves and give points away to the other team. They could,
ever just stop doing those types of mistakes. They're going
to give themselves a chance. But I don't care who
they're playing, could be the Tennessee Titans or the now
suddenly research in New York Giants. If you don't take
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care of the ball and you commit bad plays in
Keith situation, you're not gonna win much in this league
at all.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
So very stand right there. I mean Gino is there
were so high hopes for him to start the season
with the Raiders and coming in and getting the deal,
and he had a you know a few good years
in Seattle and everybody's excited. What do you think, Benny,
what do you think is going on with him? Is
it just a new situation, new offense with Chip Kelly
(04:24):
that he hasn't felt because he looks very uncomfortable right now.
And and I'm a big fan of Gino's man. I
thought it was a great move for the Raiders and
and still think it can work out. But what do
you have they addressed it and they're thinking about it
or are they just saying we just got off to
a bad start and things will get better. I mean,
how are they approaching it? And now?
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Is Gino handling it well?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
Number one? It helps Gino that Pete Carroll is the coach,
and Pete Carroll's seen him at his best, so he's not,
you know, it doesn't have any quick quick you know
gun or itchy finger because he knows that, look, this
is not the quarterback. This is not the quarterback that
I've seen. I've seen the really good Geno and I
think that the really really good Geno Smith is right
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around the corner from happening. So so the job is
secure and the you know, less pressure in that regard.
But I wanted to ask you this, You know, Roddie
and I've been kind of banning this one about this
is really the first time that Gino has been kind
of annointed in the guy, right, I mean, he we
know what the story is. It didn't last too long
in New York that he was It felt like he
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was on a career path of being a backup quarterback,
never lost faith in himself, but was never really given
an opportunity. Then when he did, it's this great story. Oh,
Gino Smith, you know, I took the opportunity and ran
with it. But even in Seattle, was never like, this
is the guy we're gonna build a team around, and
we're gonna give him the contract and all that sort
of thing. That's this is the first time that he
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comes to a situation as not the savior, you know,
but but the anointed starter, the highest paid guy on
the team or one of the highest guys, you know,
paid guys on the team. It's you're it's you're the starter,
You're the face of the franchise. He's never really experienced that,
and I'm wondering if maybe he's struggling with that a
little bit, the pressures that come with that, and and
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maybe the pressure that he puts on himself because of that,
And I'm just I just wanted to throw that out
to you to to to ask if I could that
be a different mindset for Gino Smith kind of than
being the underdog. He's the guy that everyone now is
looking fun.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Yeah, I mean, there's definitely something to that.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
When you are anointed as the guy and you get
the big deal and you come to a new team,
it can't affect you.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But for me, he's it'd be one thing if this is.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
His second or third year in the league, right and
his new team he just came and he's still kind
of green, but he's been in the league for a
while now, so it shouldn't really be that much of
a factor for him to be anointed as as the guy.
Because again, as you mentioned, it wasn't It wasn't the
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guy in Seattle that they were going to build around.
It was it did feel like they were always looking
for the next guy, you know, and they end up
getting Sam Darnold and they feel like he's their future
for the next five years or whatever. But it didn't
feel like that for Gino in Seattle, although he played well,
and this is I agree with you the first time
he's really gotten really the keys to the kingdom. And
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and and it's a different scenario, but he's he's a
veteran enough that he should handle it.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Bennie.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, and uh, you know, talking talking to Pete and
talking to to Gino and talking to Chip Kelly. I mean,
there is a firm belief that that you can get
it square away, that he's gonna the level of play. Well,
we'll go back to it like this is just it
feels like he's an a rut or a funk. You know. Uh,
this is this is not the Geno Smith that that
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Pete knows or that Gino knows of himself for the
last three years. And there's a belief that eventually it's
gonna work its way back to you know, balance and
balance things out. And if that does happen, then that
really does get the Raiders a much better chance to
be competitive in the football him.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
All right, let's go Rams at Baltimore. You know, Baltimore
at another starting quarterback. So you think it makes it
easier for the Rams.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Don't you, Vinny, Yeah, it does. But you know what,
the Rams just played a team without their starting quarterback
at home by the way, uh, and lost that game
for forty Niners. And the forty Niners are banged up,
you know as well. It's not just that they don't
have their quarterback. They there's there's a few guys on
that team that they didn't have and somehow, some way,
the forty Niners were able to to find a way. Now,
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granted it doesn't help. You know, Karin Williams fumbles the
ball at the goal line. Not to put the big
finger on him, but that changes the game. He scores
that touchdown. The Rams win that game. So it's a
long trip to Baltimore. It's a tough place to play.
But I think without Lamar Jackson, this is this has
got to be a get right game for for the Rams,
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you know, and don't don't go screwing around and and
you know, kicking away great opportunities like this. I think
they kind of squandered one against the forty nine ers.
They kind of hard to squander this one.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Yeah, so let's go uh, you know Chargers, Benny, I
was at that game, uh, and they got manhandled, especially
for three quarters against the against the Commanders.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
What started off as very.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Promising and looked like they they were at for the
really for the first time, felt like the Chiefs were
not the team to beat. It felt like the Chargers.
And now all of a sudden, I don't feel so
confident about the Chargers.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Yeah. And you know it also shows you, you know,
there's a Curson others, there's there's parody in the NFL.
You know that, Rodney, and you start losing some key
players like offensive lineman like the like the Charge and
we're not just talking about you know, plugging offensive lineman.
We're talking about very very good offensive lineman that that
that protect you know, your most expensive of and most
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important player in Justin Herbert right now without the benefit
of of what what would have it would have been
a great offensive line was started out to be. A
good offensive line is anything but right now, and Justin's
just getting hit left and right, and that's that's definitely
not sustainable and that certainly, uh, you know, hurts them,
and it just hurts their whole operation. It's not right now,
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it's not what who the Charger to wanted to be
and who they look like early in the season. They're
losing running backs as well, so they're going to have
to somehow, some way withstand this a little injury bug
that they're going through and get stabilized and and and
hope for a return of health for some of those
guys at least to give the least that they can
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start playing at that close to full strength. Because right now,
like I said, with parody, the way it is in
the NFL, we've seen that here with the Raiders. You
lose like a guy like brock Vouer, and it changes
your whole offense. It's not an excuse either. That literally
changes everything about the offense. And you know, without your
two tackles, that just the real big problem for the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Then let's just be honest. Everybody agrees, and he'll agree
with this, right justin Herbert has incredible talent, right, yes, absolutely,
so we agree with that.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
We agree. But here's the deal.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
There's a point in time where you got to make
that leap, you know what I mean? For however you
do it, you gotta do it. And to me, this
seems like a do it year for him. Does that
make sense?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Right? Yeah? It does? And uh and you know, if
and if these are prolonged injuries for some of these
guys and they don't get it done. You know, there
goes the okay, you know, well, there's there's a plausible
explanation for this. You know, he didn't have you know,
his full arsenal of players around him, and you know,
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on some level that is plausible. But to your point,
when you when you take a step forward and become
that guy and not just a guy or a pretty
big guy, but a great guy. You know, the Patrick
mahomes and and other great quarterbacks have been able to
survive and win and win big even when you know
some of their some of they don't have some of
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those great teammates around them. And we haven't seen Justin
do that even with a full arsenal uh and and
full group. So there is still a little bit of
doubt and it becomes here comes another excuse, you know,
for for Justin Herbert and and we've there's been a
lot of those, you know, since he came into the
into the NFL. It's been kind of more that than
than anything else. As good as he is, it always
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feels like at the very end of the year, there's
some kind of explanation or excuse, and and for him
to get to that next level, he's got to put
all those aside and just get the job done. All right.
Speaker 4 (12:42):
Yeah, it's easy when you you said it earlier.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Man, it's easier said and done.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
But when you get hit, when you're getting hit thirty
times a game, it's hard to make it happen.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
I know.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
It's why I it's why. You gotta you gotta really
put it into perspective, like you can hit at you know,
it's an alarmingly high rate, and you know what that
does to a quarterback, Rodney, It's just you can't. You
can't function like that in the NFL. He's a good
runner and all that kind of stuff, and hey, you
get beat down physically and mentally, and you know, then
you start losing games. It's not a good world to
(13:17):
be in as a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Well, Bennie, thanks for being in our world today.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
It means the world to weak. All right.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
I appreciate it, and go Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Thanks. Vinnie.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
All right, there's our buddy, Vinnie Bond Senior. When we
come back. How did the Phillies feel about what happened
last night? Well, we're going to take it to the
Phillies postgame show, because that's always a treat. Also want
to talk about what is going on in social media
(13:47):
with the Philly fans.
Speaker 4 (13:50):
All right, here we go, keeping it down, winding it down,
down the home stretch. Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan on a
beautiful Friday, A Friday, Man, I didn't.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Ask you this.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Yeah, who do you prefer to play? You prefer to
play the Cubbies or the Brewers.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Well, I look at it like this. Whoever the Dodgers
end up playing, good luck to them. But I think
I'd rather play the Cubs. I know the Cubs are
hitting the ball, I know that, but I think I'd
rather play the Cubs. I think I'd rather finish the
way we started. We started with the Cubs, and we'll
finish with the Cubs. Yeah, yeah, I think I think
(14:31):
you're right. Milwaukee's a deeper team. We've seen, you know
that the from them, even though they lost these last
couple of games in Chicago. But they are This regular
season was not a fluke.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
They are a good, good team with good pitching and
a couple guys that are very hot right now offensively.
So I think they would match up really, really good
with the Cubs.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I do too.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
All right, let me tell you the story we what
kind of bothered me last night? Checked it again today,
still annoying.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
So hear this.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
You got these people in Philadelphia right now. We know
the game was a three eight start here in Los Angeles.
Three o eight is a tough time, a tough start
time in La Okay. When you saw pictures of the
stadium throughout the evening, there were people in the stands
and I have.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
To give them credit.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
We know three oh wait, it's a tough time to
get to a game here, is that fair, Rodney?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Oh yeah, one of the worst times you can get
to the game. All right.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So anyway, these people from Philadelphia, and it started early
and it continued on. They were very, very sharp, and
that when the cameras panned the crowd, they'd freeze it
and take shots of empty seats, take shots of empty seats,
and they would continue to post what kind of fans
(15:55):
are these? These people don't care, They've got other things
going on in their life. They don't even show up.
So you see one or two of them, you go
to yourself, well, all right, these people are idiots anyway,
they don't know and you can do anything on social media,
but that it continued, and it continued, and actually it
became people are the same, multiple, kind of group multiple,
(16:18):
and it became more of a trend basically criticizing the
fans here in Los Angeles.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Oh so they were kind of attacking the fans of
LA of not showing up for the Dodgers not being here,
that that filling the stands.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Is that what they're kind of insinuating. Yeah, that's what
they were doing.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
And again, we know the Dodgers drew over four million
fans this year, and you know what, to even say
anything about it, to defend it is asinine. There is
no reason to defend it, right, It's indefensible.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
But yeah, these stats don't matter, I guess because, like
you mentioned, the Dodgers out draw anybody in Major League
Baseball and have or I don't know how long over
four million fans. I mean, you can't argue with that.
That's just real facts. So what are we talking about, Well,
(17:12):
you can't argue with this. They're also the top road
draw in baseball. Yeah, so look at it like this,
in whatever stadium in this country the Dodgers are playing
in on a specific night, there will be more fans
at that game than any other game. Maybe that's the
best way to look at it. You're the top road draw,
(17:33):
you're the top home draw. So that means wherever you
are playing, be it at home in Los Angeles, or
you're playing the Pirates in Pittsburgh, whatever, the average attendance
in Pittsburgh normally is is going to be increased dramatically
because the Dodgers are there so for people because now
you got to go you got to start picking on things, right,
(17:56):
you hate us because you hate us, so now we're
going to.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
Say, well, here's your problem, and we're better fans in there.
We get it. We know not those people, they don't
know anything.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
That cuts deep when they say that, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
You know it does cut deep. It cuts deep. And
here's why do not tell the people that live in
this city they are not true fans. Don't do that
because it is insulting.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I look at the fan.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
We do this for a living, so we know, we know,
we know that the people that like the Dodgers listen
to the radio show, and a lot of people listen
to the radio show because they like the Dodgers. We
got it. We understand how this works. And it's just ignorant.
It's ignorant, it's insulting, it's kind of just playing out stupid.
(18:47):
It's kind of if you do that, you're not the
kind of people we even want to know. You're not
stupid people. They're stupid, and there's aggressively stupid. Stupid people
don't know they're stupid. Aggressively stupid people do know and
they continue to be stupid. That is aggressively stupid.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
I like that term. Aggressively stupid.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
It's true. Okay, right, you know, you know somebody and
you know they just don't have it or they're saying
stuff that makes no sense and everybody in the room
knows it. So instead of going, hey Joe, I got
to be honest with you. You're wrong about that, or
even if you tell them, hey Joe, I gotta be
honest with you, you're wrong about that, he goes, Oh no,
I'm not, and let me tell you more about what
(19:31):
is wrong that I'm saying. That's aggressively stupid, and that's
kind of what that was. They just bothered me, it
really did. I mean, you were playing in the Division series,
your team has a chance to go to the league
Championship series, perhaps to the World Series. It's a seminal
year for the Phillies because that team is going to
(19:53):
look different next year because of the free agents. It's
going to look different. That was the window for that group.
That was it. There was their window for that particular
group of players. And what you take away from that is, well, look,
there's empty seats in LA. There's empty seats. That's what
(20:14):
you took away from it. A team that many thought
would win the World Series this year, really before the season,
they were right there with the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
It was at the upper upper right field corner section
of Did you see it, because that's you know where
it was.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, I saw that shot.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And that's where it was. Now, if you captured that shot,
and that was the only shot, you captured that only
image and showed that and said nobody showed up, But
that was the only image you showed. Yeah, you go,
where is everybody? There's nobody in the stadium. But as
(20:58):
I watched the game, which I did, stadium looked pretty
full to me. Yeah, gotta be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
Yeah, And was a shot at you know, top of
the first inning, you know, before the game really gets
underway and gets going.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:16):
Yeah, as people are three o'clock in LA trying to
get the Dodger Stadium, which people outside of LA don't
necessarily understand how sometimes challenging it is to get the
Dodger Stadium at three o'clock in the afternoon. Yeah, it's
just TICKI tag but you know, love.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
My city of brotherly love. But sometimes they can be
a little obnoxious. Freddy.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, that being said, now let's take a listen to
a portion of the Phillies postgame show on their own
network after the first loss. We know what they sounded like.
So now the season is over, it has come to
an end. Understand, these are employees, I believe some of them,
(22:03):
of the Phillies. So let's hear the hand.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
I'm really ticked off right now, Michael, be honest with that.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
This is to have it end that way, Just.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Take it again, breath, just pick it up and you
can run an underhand it to first base.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
I mean, it's obviously just panicked and I don't know,
I just couldn't deal with the moment.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I guess at the time.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
It's a really rough way to lose and to end
your season when you have a comebacker like that and
a basically very simple play earlier in the game. Christopher Sanchez,
on the other hand, made a heck of a play
under the same sort of circumstance. Came off the mountain
and threw a strike to Bryce Harper to make that play.
(22:43):
But it's clear that Ryan Kirkring was not in the
right state of mind. I probably would have just let
Lozardo face the right hander. He had nasty stuff O'Ryan
sadly has proven that he hasn't been able to get
out of those situations, and Lozardo looked like he was
actually throwing.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
The ball real well.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
I probably would have stayed with him.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
And if I was going to lose the game, rather
lose the game with a guy like Lizardo. Right now,
with the way he's thrown and the way he looked
on the mound, I liked his demeanor on the mound.
He wasn't he wasn't baffled, he wasn't scared. It looked
like he still had good stuff. But they, you know,
they went to uh Kirkering because of the.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Right on righty and it didn't work out.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Mm hmm, there it is. It sounded kind of calm
and rational.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Friend I think one of them said, I'm not sure,
I can't remember.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Maybe we edited down.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I think one of them said, I wouldn't even put
him in the game.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
I did cut that part out. Yes, he wouldn't even
put him in the game. He said he would not
put Kirkering in that situation with men on base.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh god.
Speaker 6 (23:45):
He sounds like honest analysis to me, like.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Yeah, just straight up.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Look, they they they watched him on a regular basis
more so than we do, so they you know, they
can comment on it. But man, just after the fact,
right twenty twenty analysis. But do you think because people
were talking about this that and Kevin mentioned it on
(24:13):
our text string about walking Otani in that moment, did
you agree with that even though old Tani has been struggling,
walking him to load the bases for Mookie bets. Yeah,
you set up a force in any base.
Speaker 3 (24:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
And here's the funny thing. We were talking about this earlier. Okay,
I said Otani's no a liability in the leadoff spot.
Move him, and you know everybody went to shut up, Fred,
They're not moving him out of the leadoff spot. But
here's the other side of it. Right now, he can't
hit his hat size. We should be fair.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
Not only that he's not even making contact a lot
of times so close Duran could have struck him out
fairly easily the way he's been hitting, so the force
at every base, he's not even going to make contact.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
But here's the thing, Kevin, and here's the thing, and
you said it earlier, Rodney. Yeah, but he might. That's
the problem.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
He might.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
And they're always aware of that, right.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
When you kind of I mean, at that point you
traded for Duran to be your star closer. You have
your best on the mound against their best. I'd like
to like him go toe to toe and if your
best beats my best, and so be it in a
game like that.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Yeah, but didn't you say last night their best has
struggled lately?
Speaker 6 (25:32):
Did I say that? I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
I think you said he hadn't been real sharp.
Speaker 6 (25:35):
Well I did say so as of that inning. Yes,
so he was fairly wild. He was all over the place,
which I think Taal bailed him out. They could have
liked he would have walked in the second run. They
would wouldn't even gone to extra innings at that point.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
They el swung at two that were just bad balls.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Tail walked.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I would have walked.
Speaker 6 (25:52):
You would have walked on four pitches easily.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yeah, And and he he bailed him out. Here's what
I was surprised about. He brought the ran in with
one out in the seventh, right in the seventh.
Speaker 6 (26:04):
Yeah, it was the seventh.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Yes, yeah, one out. He's going to go two and
two thirds innings. No he's not. I don't care if
he doesn't do anything wrong. I don't care if he's
he's being mowing him down. There's no way that guy's
going to go two and two thirds innings. Why would
you bring him Did you think about what might happen afterwards?
Did that enter your mind? Well, we better got out
(26:28):
of this, so we'll put him in right here. But
then what then?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
What happens?
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (26:34):
I know what happened? Then then what is you worry about? Then?
What when?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
What comes up? But at that moment and high leverage,
you got to find a way and go to your
best opportunity to get out.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Let me ask you this there, Let me ask you this.
And they lost. It's over, so we're just chopping it up.
Let me ask you this. He went to Sanchez didn't
he how'd he look once a lizarda Lazardo?
Speaker 6 (27:01):
How do he look amazing?
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Okay, why did you put Lazardo in earlier? And then
you have Duran to close the game, because certainly Lazardo
could have gone.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
I mean, the thought might have been that Duran was
more rested than Loazardo. You have Lazardo in your back
pocket if you need him, but you're hoping that you
put your best guy in there in a high leverage
situation and you can get those out so you don't
have to worry about bringing Lazardo in. He was maybe
a break glass in case of emergency. Guy could be
considering he was only on a couple of days rest.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
Well, that's fair, but it was an emergency. I'm glad
they did what they did. Don't get me wrong. I'm
glad Dave left Szaki in there. Yeah, I'm glad he
did that.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah. Were you nervous when it gets.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
No, he's going he's going to three you know, three innings.
You know you wanted him to keep going, right, but
as it kept going, you knew at some point somebody
else was coming in.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Darian, I know what you're gonna say, Fred yeah, when
Blake trying and stood up in the bullpen.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Yah, we all saw it. Everybody saw it. I knew it.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
This is so odd when I saw him get up.
This is terrible, and I'm sorry I would Oh my god.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
No, no, now that is really bad.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
I'm sorry. Not the only one, but I'm sure a
lot of people went, oh no, we don't no, no,
no no, and he was next so to me, to me,
so if if the game went thirty seven innings, Sazaki
was still pitching, he was not coming out of the gate.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
Oh yeah, bringing in uh who they bring Investia? Right, yeah,
bringing Investia. Were you okay with that? Or would you
have left Sauzaki let him just keep going.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Do you want the truth of what I would really do? No,
I want you to lie to me, Fred Okay here, Rodney.
I thought it was brilliant and Vessia did a great job,
and he got a little help from Harrison batter that's
for damn sure I.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Did, because that was what that was a three two count.
Speaker 6 (29:09):
Yeah, when it was a phenomenal.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
He battled him.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
Nine to ten pitches. He took.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
Vessie and then swung at that that change of outside
that was like two feet off the plate. God, but yeah,
it was it was up to the up until then
it was it was a great grated bat. So how
were you when Vessie came in?
Speaker 1 (29:34):
In the words of Dave Roberts, In the words of
Dave Roberts, when the accusation was manday Mchatto threw the
ball at the Dodger dugout remember that after warm up
chant threw the ball at him, But he really didn't.
But when David has the bouty he goes. It was
unnerving when I saw Vessia and I like him. I
(29:56):
think all fans like him, and we trust him and
believe in them, and he's delivered in huge moments. But
as it has gone this year, when I saw that,
it was unnerving. That's what it was, because I was
come in the game. When you saw him come in
a game, yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Room for you.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
When he came in, that meant Sazaki was done right
right right then, Everything to me was unnerving. Everything it
was like, oh, no, I know, you know, it's insane.
I would not take Sazaki out when.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
She was in the I know we don't have time,
but dude, to go back, I don't even know it
was like maybe three weeks ago.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Fred talk about Sauzaki. He's just an adventure. I would
not bring him out of the pen.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's right right, you know, he's just an adventure.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
He's all over the place. You never know what he's
gonna get. I would never bring him out of the pen.
He's a starter. But man, you bring him in, he
can't find his driding zone.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
I did say that, No, no, never take him out. No, no,
because maybe you don't understand this. Maybe you don't understand this.
Life is fluid. There are no absolutes. Life is fluid,
there are no absolutes. But no, I just thought, keep
him in, do not take him out. Anyway, all's well,
(31:25):
that ends well. So, uh, if Milwaukee wins, Dodgers open
on the road, If Chicago wins Kevin, Dodgers open here.
Speaker 6 (31:35):
Correct, that is correct? In Game one will be Monday, regardless.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Yes, so it's Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, I think, yes, okay,
best of seven in this go round.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Hey, you surprised real quick. I forgot that they don't
do the man at second base. The next Granny's in
the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (31:54):
I know, thankfully.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Oh yes, really, it's the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
Fred earn it. I understand if it's the middle of
July and you don't want to run through your pitching
staff in a sixteen inning game or something, but you
have to earn every Look at how last night ended.
Earn every single base runner. I would hate for a
game to end because a guy hits a single on
a guy who's already standing on second base and the
game ends that way. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Well, everybody that was sitting there with Rodney did exactly
what you did. Oh yeah, they don't start with a
runner on second base, And everybody sitting there and went good.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Right, good for everybody? Did that?
Speaker 6 (32:27):
Good for them?
Speaker 4 (32:28):
Yeah, gotta earn it, and you gotta earn it, man, Yeah,
because it was like, oh, okay, who's gonna start on second.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
That's what I was thinking.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
I would say, wait, oh, here we go, because you know, again,
it's easy to get a cheap run in those situations,
and you don't want it to be after a game
like that where the pitching was phenomenal to have it
in because you start a runner at second base and
somebody got a bloop single that scores that run from
(32:56):
second base, and it would be bad.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
It's bad luck.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, and I'm glad they didn't go to my plan
of home run derby to breaking a tie game last night.
I think the Mountains.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Gyles Schwarvers would have counted as three.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Yeah, I think so, depending on how far you hit,
it is how many you get credited for. Oh that
and that is a highlight from that series. Folks, it's
over Dodgers when but come on, you got to give
it up for that. You gotta give it up for
that home run that Schwarver hit. All right, so we'll
(33:39):
come back and wrap this up.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
Let's do it.
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Speaker 4 (34:02):
Wip Here we go wrapping it up on a Friday.
I hope you all have a good weekend. I know
I am Fred because the Trojans are gonna beat the
Michigan Wolverines.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
That's all that matters. That's all that matters. Baby we go. Basically,
you got nothing to worry about in baseball. That's nothing,
nothing chilling till Monday. Okay, quickly. Tigers are Mariners.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
Oh, I'm going Detroit, Fred. They got some uh.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
And even though the Mariners have beat him, they think
the last three times. H I gotta go with him.
He's the cy young winner and this do or die game.
I think he's gonna be unhittable today, and they let
they let him go fifteen innings.
Speaker 3 (34:54):
It danced to be.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
Cubs are Marinders.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Cubs your earth.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I gotta yeah, I'm going Brewers at home deciding game.
I just think the uh. I think the Brewers and
from a pitching standpoint, still got a lot of firepower.
I'm going Brewers at home.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
All right?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
Who you got? I got Tigers. I gotta be Tigers.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
My classic World Series, my old time would be Tigers Dodgers.
Dodgers have to win. Tiger's Dodgers would work for me.
Cubby's Brewers. You know what I'm I got. I can't
walk it back, Rodney, I can't. I gotta go Cubs. Yeah,
and Ted Sobel who listens to the show, Kevin, you
know him, Barry Well, uh, he has sent me a
(35:41):
text saying if there was a game in Los Angeles
next Tuesday, it will probably be postponed.
Speaker 3 (35:48):
Heavy rains are in.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
The forecast, oh for Tuesday, for Tuesday. Okay, so if
and Ted sobl knows because he's also a meteorologist.
Speaker 6 (35:59):
Well you say, aren't we all Fred? That's that's a.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
Meteorolog that you. Huh, aren't you the walking Doppler.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
People say, my god, I've never seen anybody with as
large as doppler as you have.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Oh wow, Okay.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Ronnie, thank you, great week, great week, Kevin, appreciate it
very much. Have a terrific weekend everybody. Rodney, We're back Monday, sir,
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