December 22, 2025 • 30 mins
Fred, Rodney and Eric Dickerson take a look at the NFC Playoff picture now that the Rams have fallen out of the top seed (with the 49ers still lurking with a chance to win the NFC West). Also, how wide open is the AFC? Is it now or never for Josh Allen and the Bills? Its Lit features the Chiefs leaving the state of Missouri, an update on the Michigan head coaching position and an update on the DK Metcalf altercation with a fan in Detroit.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, only two hours for today, so let's keep this
thing moving because Kevin will be along a little bit
later on this hour. With everything that's happened today, and
it's lit all right, two weeks ago, we're sitting here going,
I'll tell you what, this could not be any sweeter
for the Rams, could not. I mean, my god, they're
in the driver's seat. They'll have home field advantage throughout
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the playoffs. That's what they need to get to the
super Bowl. Now we look at it, and right now,
the Rams of the fifth.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Seed, just that fast, just that fast.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
That game against Seattle was a great game, I guess
if you were rooting for Seattle. So the Rams now
find themselves seated fifth. Seattle is now the number one
seed in the NFC Chicago. With a prayer yesterday Beach
Green Bay, they're now seated number two in San Francisco,
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the sixth seed. At ten and four, they could concede
pavably win the division. Now, Eric, when you look at this,
what do you see?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I see what I've been saying all year, you know,
turnovers and special teams. I mean, look, and I always say, look,
you're not going at there trying to turn the ball
over and you're not going at the trying to you know,
not do even job on special teams. The special team
has been a problem, even dating back to last year, Fred,
I mean field goals missed.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I mean going let's go to the first game we
lost against Philly.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I mean, we had a chance to win that game,
and I said, going up there, even when they went
to the NFC Championship game, we don't turn the ball up.
We beat Philadelphia, we turned the ball over twice. We
go there this year and play them, we turned the
ball over again, I think once, maybe once, maybe once,
but we get two field goals blocked. I mean it
shows we got we got some problems in that in
that area. Come to San Francisco. The next week, we
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lose to San Francisco. We missed field goals again and
we turned the ball over, you know, going into for
a score. But you know that's just that's how football works.
But you cannot be missing all these field goals. I mean,
this game is the game that they played Thursday night.
They should have won that game. I mean I thought
they won the game. I ain't gonna lie, but something
told me, you know what, you know what you know
what really kind of upset me. Fred watching the players
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on the sideline celebrating with seven minutes left, I'm like,
that's not a good thing because this is a professor.
These are professional football teams. You're celebrating over there, laughing.
Uh uh, you got to stay locked in. And when
they ran that punt back, I said, oh man, that's
a bad time, and sure enough it was. I mean,
i'm and I'm with McVeigh. I mean, look, I don't
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you fire the guy. I mean, you have to do
what you have to do. But it's something wrong with
the special teams. The special teams. A lot of fans,
you fans don't know how important special teams are, but players,
we know how important it is. Just like that punt
return change the game, block field goals change the game,
miss field goals change the game, mishanling of punts, mishanling
of field goals. All that is very important in a
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football game. It's not just offensive defense. Special teams. That's
a part of a football game. And and I think
that we're one of the worst teams in the special
teams area. And I see why he had to fire
the guy. I mean, it's got named Chase Blackburn, I
think his.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Name, and they had Fossil here.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Fossil was one of the best in one of the best,
one of the best. Yep, everybody believes he was one
of the best special teams guys in the league. And
then don't understand why sometimes teams get rid of guys.
I don't understand why they do that when I was
regarded as as the best at their at their job.
But yeah, you can't win. You can't win without all
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three phases. You really can't. And because if it's going
to come back to bite you. I used to God,
I used to hate that. I used to hate that
when we would drive down the field for either a
go ahead touchdown or tie it up or get it close,
and then we kick off and next thing you know,
they running it. They running a kickoff back, if not
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all the way running back in our territory. So they
got a short field that was just like, it breaks
your back. And for them to give up that punt
return when the game was in the ring, yeah really,
and it gave him life. It gave him life. And
now Seattle's looking up going to oh, now we're only
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ten down, let's go, let's go we got a lot
of time left and gave them. Especially when you're on
the road too, you don't under estimate the crowd and
the influence and the momentum when you have a play
like that, the crowd gets because crowd was out of
the game, he runs the punt back, crowds now in
that place. Crowd's now back in the game. And then
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all of a sudden, you're three and out, and.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Now they're they're right down two scores and now there's
one score, and man, and you don't want to go
to overtime, and they did.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
But man, it's it's a tough road.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
But but even that, Seattle still, I mean, I know
you said, you know, Rams jumped, you know, bounced to
the fifth seat. But Seattle's got to go to Carolina,
which quite as kept. Carolina's playing well and leading the
NFC South, beat Tampa Bay, and then they got to
play the forty nine ers who just talked, right, they
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got the last.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Two games for Seattle. Is not easy. And you're right,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Sitting in the wings is the San Francisco forty nine ers,
if they went out, could be the number one seed
in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, let's look at the AFC.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Now, I mean the Chargers Chargers one, Chargers Chargers are
eleven and four. But even in the in the AFC,
all right, first, we didn't think Denver would be there.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So let's just be honest.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
When you kicked off the season, nobody said, oh, Denver
will have the best record in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Nobody.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
All right, New England, they looked good last night, by
the way, Drake Macon play.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Nobody thought New England would have the best record in
the AFC twelve and three as well.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I know nobody thought jackson wo.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
No, that's right, that's it. That you right, I'll tell
you last week watch out for Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And now you've got the Chargers at eleven and four,
Buffalo at eleven, and for Houston at ten and five.
That that is very tight. I mean any of those teams,
any of those teams could catapult the others. They're wan
to tie break over Buffalo. The Chargers do based on
best win percentage and conference games, so they would finish
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ahead of Buffalo if they tied with the same records.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Hey, and don't sleep don't sleep on damn Pittsburgh Steelers. Ye,
go into Detroit and win been on a three game
winning streak. Aaron Rodgers is playing like he's thirty two
years old. Now again, that's not an easy place to
go into play in Detroit and get that win, and
they did that, and he's been playing well. Man, it's
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it's it's gonna be very very interesting in the in
the AFC. Do you who do you think the pressures
on when you when you look at the teams and
the guys that are out, especially quarterbacks, don't you feel
like all the pressure right now is on Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yes, that now.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
That Mahomes is out and looks like the Baltimore ravens
Lamar is out right, the team that he's had to
go against for years.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Joe Burrow's out of it.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
If Buffalo doesn't get the job done this year, something's
gonna be up with him.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Well, don't you think if Buffalo doesn't get the job
done this year too, no fault of anyone that just
it happened that way, then something has to change there
because their window, I mean it just opened again because
you know, Mahomes is done, Burrow's is done, Lamar Jackson's
not gonna play. The window is open again, I don't
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know how long that thing stays open for these guys
because their window has been open, but they haven't been
able to get over the hump. Yeah, and if they
can't get over the hump this time, you can't keep
doing the same thing the same way because it's not enough.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
But the thing with Buffalo is, and maybe they aren't.
I just look him at it at as almost like
a one dimensional team, especially offensively. I mean defensively, you
know they can they sometimes they can play with anybody.
They play well, you know they been, but they don't break.
But offensively, when you look at Buffalo, you don't really
worry about the office. He worried about Josh Allen, you know,
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that's what you worry about, him running around, you know,
making big plays. And I still say, and I hate
to say this, I just hate to see him run
so much the way he runs because he's going to
get hurt, you know, And you don't want to see
any quarterback to get hurt. I don't see any player
get hurt. But he gives himself up. I mean, he
tries to do too much, just like my homes in
Kansas City. You know, he tried to put the team
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on his back. This year, you know, they were they
were not the same team they were last year a
year before. You know, they've been there, they've been in
a steady decline, and they showed their offensive line. And
I just think the same thing with Buffalo. I don't
think Buffalo can beat I don't think Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I just don't believe they can. They can go into
a mile high and winning mile hot. You know, if
they had to go down to play demver, I don't
think that. I don't think they could do that. And
you know, even Jacksonville, I said it before Jacksonville was
playing good man. You know, you win any right, you know,
you get that confidence. You're like, man, we could beat
anybody many We hot right now. And that's what it
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comes down to, how hot and how healthy you get.
That's your young confidence too.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
You know, you've got Trevor Lawrence is playing well and
it people have doubted whether he was going to be
the guy that that everybody thought he was going to
be coming out of college, and now he's feeling it.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
They're feeling it.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
They're feeling like they can go anywhere and win, you know,
and that's that's a powerful thing. But you're right about Buffalo.
They you know, they they did run the ball yesterday
and and uh, you know, and and they're gonna have
to be a little bit more balanced and not relying
much on Josh Allen. And I do I worry about
him too, because you think about the guys that ran
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like him.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
You know, Cam.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Newton had a five year run where he was as
dominant as they could, big guy, but took so many
hits they did not, and he was not saying and
Josh Allen is taking those hits. They got so many
design runs for him, and he runs on his own,
you know, anyway, but they designed runs for him, and
he's taken so many hits that you wonder how long
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it's gonna lie. Look, look what's happening to Lamar now.
He is banged banged up and he's not running like
he used to. And that was his that was his
ace in a hole and he's not able to do
it because he's hurt. And so to continue with that
with Josh Allen's gonna be it's gonna be difficult. And
so I agree with you, Fred. The window for them
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is right now, is right now. Otherwise they're gonna have
to make some change.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, let me ask you, Rodney, do you do you
think that they could get there to the to the
Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I do, I do, because they got to change down
with Jacksonville beating Denver. They got a chance to win
the East because they beat beating New England. I think
they're they're tied with them now, but I think that
they got.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
A game behind the chances.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
They still got a chance to win the East, and
I think they still got the makeup. It depends on
how it lines up because Denver, Remember Denver is still
a young team with a young quarterback. New England is
still a young team with a young quarterback. And the
playoffs are different. You play at a different speed. You know,
Buffalo has been there those most of those guys have
been there and done that, and so I'm not worried
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about if they have to go somewhere and go win.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
I just think that they this is this is a
year that they have to put it all together.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So when you look at it, you you really think
that Buffalo could be their NFC. You wan't even handicapped
at at this point. I mean, it's so tight, it's
it's yeah, you.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Because, I mean, I don't look the defending champs, Philadelphia didn't.
It didn't even look close to the same team that
they are, right that they were last year.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And they're ten and five.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah, you know, they don't even look closer and five,
gonna win the East, gonna get you know, they're gonna
get a home playoff game, all that kind of stuff.
But don't even they look so beatable. It's the NFC West,
It's the Rams, Seahawks and forty nine Ers are the
three teams that are that are the dominant teams in
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the NFC. But again, to Eric's point on the AFC side,
can't discount Houston with that defense, and you can't discount
the just the confidence that Jacksonville's playing with right now.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, they they beat up on They beat up on
them for yesterday. I mean you could see they were
very confident the point like, oh, we can win this game,
dominate them in second half. I think the NFC, I
don't know, I don't know who's coming out of the NFC. Yeah,
so wait, so let me so basically, if the Rams
went out and San Francisco went out, san Francisco wins
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the division. No, So what does Seattle do if the
forty nine ers went out? Seattle?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I mean, the forty nine ers have to beat them
because they play right, right, I bet I think the
nine ers would jump jump Seattle, right, that would happen.
But so good bour losses right, everybody wins out. Forty
nine ers would win the division. They have the number one.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Seed if if they if the forty nine went out,
they get the number one seed.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Could settle haven't even talked about the forty nine ers
this year. They've just quietly been going about their business.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I've been worried about them, you know, honestly I have.
I've been watching them. You know, you know, you have
a team you don't like. You kind of you don't want,
you want them to lose. But I mean I see
why McVeigh was livid. Because he was livid. I mean,
I said yesterday, I said, can you imagine how mad
McVeigh is right now because they had that game won.
But like I said, that's what losers say. Man, we
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had them, Man, we had them. If we did this,
we had them, if we did that, and they didn't.
They didn't. They didn't take care of business, and like
and I keep going back to watching them on the
sideline celebrating. I said, man, I said, that's a bad
that's a bad look, you know, And that's I mean.
I'm just going from old school, you know, because you
gotta stay you gotta stay locked in.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
The Ford NFL Spotlight is presented by Ford. What's been
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Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yeah, let's go Ford NFL Spotlight. Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan
and Hall of Famer Eric Dickerson. Come on now, all right,
let's get caught up. Kevin's got stuff forcing that slip.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
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Speaker 7 (14:50):
Stories lighting up their sports headliner.
Speaker 8 (14:53):
I had some big news out of the NFL, and Fred,
this is right up your alley, mister, relocation Rogan. So
we talked about this last year with the Kansas City
Chiefs and there was a vote to extend a sales
tax in order to fund renovations around the Royals and
Arrowhead Stadium, both of their stadiums out there in downtown
Kansas City, Missouri. Yes, and the voters rejected it. They say,
we're not paying. We want to be done with this tax.
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We're done subsidizing a billionaire. And it was announced officially
about ten minutes ago, maybe at rumor about this morning,
that there was a vote in Kansas City, Kansas and
they will build a new stadium to house the Kansas
City Chiefs beginning in twenty thirty one.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
You know, if you're Kansas City, Kansas, yeah, you want
them because that's going to be good for you.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I get people saying enough, just enough. I'm not spending
the money. I don't care. And by the way, how
far is the drive from Kansas City, Kansas to Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
I looked it up. It's about fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Now. I lived there. I lived there.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I lived there.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It's a border city, so the city overlaps from both
Kansas and Missouri. So it's you know, there's the river there,
but it overlapped most you know, as the city expanded,
more people moved out and moved into the server of
the Kansas you know, and it's it's basically it's one
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city that overlaps the border.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
All right, that's the case. It's a fifty ten minute drive,
fifteen minute.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Drive, yeah, depend on where it is. Yeah, hey, it
would be no more than fifteen minutes, ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, well, I get the people in Missouri saying I
don't want to pay, and I get the people in
Kansas saying we'll take anything.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
So yeah, they're in. And that's really what happened, you
know what.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And I guarantee you in that new Kansas City, Kansas facility.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
They got some other in samps to move.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
They got some other you come on over here, come on,
we got got it, We got you, We got you.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Come to be a part of us.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Yeah, we got some tax credits, we got some we
got a bunch of other stuff too.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
In the RAM moved.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
They paid, they paid one They paid one dollar to
Saint Louis for the facility.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
One dollar.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And don't you remember the reason the Rams were able
to get out of there, aside from the fact they
wanted to get out of there, they put into their
agreement that every certain period of time and upgrade, right, Yeah,
that stadium had to be considered in the top ten
percentiles of NFL stadiums. And what does that even mean?
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I mean, what does that mean? It's got to be
like in a top ten percent So you can make
that mean whatever you want it to mean, right, we
need two hundred more luxury boxes whatever. But they put
that in there kind of was a poison pill, and
that's ultimately what got him out of Saint Louis.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
So obviously the University of Michigan and broad in a
lot of controversy really over the last couple of years.
If you go back to the sign stealing scandal, there
was some recruitment issues with Jim Harball when he was there,
and now obviously the Charon More situation. So right now
their interim head coach is someone named Biff Pogi, who
if you don't know who Biff Pog has, look him up.
He looks like his name sounds I'll put it that
way anywhere a mullet.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
There for evert Kevin, he.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Was so so Roddnen. He actually was on hardball staff there.
He left and became the head coach at the University
of Charlotte. Things did not go well there. He was
like nine to forty or something at the head coach
of Charlotte, got fired, came back and has been on
the staff the last couple of seasons. So just to
salvage whatever they had, have some continuity. They elevated him
to be the interim head coach. At this point in time,
he's even admitted that it's a malfunctioning organization, the University
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of Michigan football program, that needs fixing, and he says,
of course he feels like he's the person to do it.
I guess my question to you guys is, considering where
the process is, how deep were into it, early signing
days already passed. Do you do something similar to what
Stanford did this year and just have an interim ahead coach.
Frank Reich was there temporarily for the season, knew he
was going to be interim for the year. Just write
it out with Biff, Pogi Andine, try to start this
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thing over in the next year and try to find
a new permanent head coach as opposed to trying to
find somebody now.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I think you go right now. If you can find
a guy, you got them.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I mean, I've read I don't know if you guys
saw this they were talking or the coach at Arizona
State was being mentioned.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
He just.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
The minute they heard that they signed him to an extension.
I wouldn't rush, but certainly I would have an eye
out and now Kevin look at it like this. Let's
say they've really done their homework, they have done their research,
and they can't find anybody. I guess you said with Bith,
but they need to get a face of the uh
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the football program in there.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
This ain't the face.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
If not the stint the face, you won't. I'm looking
at Biff in this Saint Francis outfit. I'm like, you
gotta you can't do this.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I'm sorry, but they got.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
This is not come on, this is not Western Michigan.
This is not you know, East Appalachian State. This is Michigan.
You got to have a faith and you got to
go get a guy. And I know that, you know
the names are few and far between, but if they
have to offer the world to get somebody up there,
they got to go do it because you can't be Michigan,
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you know, being a battle where you got looking up
and seeing Ohio State won the title last year, Ohio State,
Ohio State's in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
This year. You got Indiana in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
You got four other Big ten teams in the playoffs,
and you're gonna fall by the wayside.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
You cannot do that. If you're Michigan. It's too big
of a program to not to have a face as
their head coach. And they might have to, like I said,
it might have to offer the world to give somebody
to come there. But that that is exactly what they
have to do in Michigan is one of the schools
that can afford it.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
They can afford to offer somebody the world.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, because uh uh.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
They collect the program is as good as anybody.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
They got big.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
But right now, don't you think you know a lot
of these these colleges, I mean, all right is I
mean this is almost mine.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
He's sixty six years old.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I mean these young kids, kids dave they relate to,
you know, young coaches, you know, thirty five, maybe forty
forty five. I mean a sixty six year old man
heading towards seventy years old. I mean, you go, that's
a hard set. That's a hard sell for a young
eighteen year old kid. I mean, that's that's my opinion.
But yeah, that's what I'm saying. You got to get
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somebody that's either done it, somebody that kids know, steal
somebody from something, maybe even coming to the NFL and
go get somebody, but you got to get a face
that the kids will recognize and kids can relate to.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
If ended Updick to something you guys talked about earlier,
the DK Metcalf incidents with a fan yesterday in Detroit.
So obviously the fan says that all he did was
called DK by his government name, and he got offended
by that and it didn't really pass the smell test.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
So Chad Johnson does a podcast and he.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
According I don't know if he has a good relationship
with DK or somebody else closer to it.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
He said that he heard the fan.
Speaker 8 (21:55):
Actually called DK a racial slur and also says something
about his mom, which is something you talked too.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Is a no no Eric that we go.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
That's that that will make you slap.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Somebody so allegedly called him the in word and called
his mom the sea word, and that's what set him off.
And if that, if that is true, I would understand
why DK would have that sort of reaction to.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That fan most definitely. That's why I said he said
more than what he said. I don't believe that because
I mean, somebody, what is this government name, Derek? I
mean Derek Derek Cannard, Derek what is his nickname? Derek
Kenneth Metcalf. I mean, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
What CAUs.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Like you said the smell test.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Does that warrant the reaction that DK had to that fan.
He calls him by his government name. That That's all
I did, is call him by his government name. If
I called you, what's your middle name? Eric, Dimitric Dick Jan,
it'd be like Frederick J.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Rogan, You're gonna go all what I'm saying like that,
You're gonna slap the fan because they call you Frederick J.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Or Eric what's your middle name? Eric?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Eric Demetrick and Mama h Eric, you in trouble. No,
you're not going off like that. So he had something
something else was say yeah, yeah, like I said, he said,
more than it's you did your mama or they call
you the N word and that's gonna make you do something.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Here's the thing. Or he spit on him, Oh your
wife or something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Spit on him.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Now that's but here's here's the problem. No matter what
he said, you cannot slap that guy.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm sorry, No, I hear you. I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Fred I disagree, Fred, you know, uh uh, I'm it's
it's certain things.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
You just what said, sound.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
That's an amber alert going on.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
You can't turn off.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Fred.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's certain things that you cannot stand for. It's just
certain things you can't stand. I don't care what I don't.
You don't care what the backlash is. It's like somebody walking,
you walking with your mom and somebody come and slap
your mama out the blue. What you're supposed to say?
Excuse me, sir, I mean, you shouldn't hit my mom
like that. I'm gonna try to beat your today.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
If you remember when Jamar Chase uh spit on Jalen Ramsey,
right a Jalen Ramsey asked somebody that he said football
was football was over there.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, he spit in my face football and even Mike Tomlin,
even Mike Tomlin in the press conference said all bets
are off there when somebody disrespects you and crosses that line,
all bets are off.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
It's it's not about football anymore. And you gotta you
gotta stand up to that. And so I think Eric,
Eric is right as much as you that, Yeah, you
like to have restraint and you want to, you know,
hold back, and you're supposed to be dignified and you're
supposed to not to engage and all that. When somebody
crosses that line talking about your mom, your family, or
spits on you like that, then it's it's beyond it's
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beyond respect that at that point he's treated you and
he's crossed the lone.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, you dragged his ass down that field, and you
deal with the consequences later. You might you're gonna have
to do it, but you have.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
To do it. But hey, man, you can't. You can't
do that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And of course it's like Fred, it's like a person
you see him on tape.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I see you on the.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Video, that's you, and you plead, that's not guilty. That
ain't me.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's not you with the green shirt that you got
on right now. Yeah that's me, but that ain't me.
So what are you gonna what are you gonna say?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, that's me. No, he's gonna say I'm not guilty.
Of course he said something. He said something that set
that man off.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I agree, I agree, I get it. I'm just saying
it's tough. It's tough when you start punching guys.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Slapping them.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Some players, nothing says, says nothing that you would that
that you could anyone could say to you that wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Would have you. That's it. Okay, I gotta take him
out or I gotta go after that.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
No, I'm not saying you don't want to take him out,
you don't want to go, I say I want to.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I'm saying that he said you Fred, he said you
you you Fred, you Frid. Somebody did something to Haley
or said something about Haley. I think you're just in
a moment.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You just gotta It's hard, but I think if you
are a player, you just gotta walk on.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
See.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
See that's the thing. That's the thing that people go
hide behind. Oh he's a player, and they and they
say that to defend themselves from saying that they're not human.
Players are human. People are human. We're animals, like right when.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
When you they look at us as animals pretty much
when you're on that field, I know, cause they've said it,
you're nothing but an animal.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Really, you have human emotions and you're gonna have human reactions.
So to it just suggest oh because you got a
uniform on, you're you're supposed to walk away and you're
not supposed to have any response to it. That's not realistic.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
Sometimes it's like an out of body experience to hear
people say like, oh I saw red and everything just
kind of went black.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
You know that? That that's it. I cannot think of
his now.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I played with him in Indianapolis and we were in
Green Bay and his boys were sitting next to a fan.
His brothers was a Gollie. His receiver played for Atlanta,
played with the Coats. We drafted him in the first round. Uh,
Andre ryd Andre Risey.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Andre Risey.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So we're in Green Bay and the guy was taunting,
saying stuff to Andre on the field.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Andre pointed at his buddies.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
They went over to that guy and I don't know
what they said to him, but all of a sudden
he became the biggest Andre rising fan.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
But they said something to him. I'm like, and I laughed.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I said, wait, he said, I told him, hey, take
care of him.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Lighting up a headlines.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Oh yeah, that's my boy, bad moon.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Right, that was my boy.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Board. NFL Spotlight is presented by Ford.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
All Right, let's go, Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan, Hall of
famer Eric Dickinson back to wrap it up two Hours
show today, Let's go fret us all.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I gotta I gotta ask you this question.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So basically, if you were playing sports, say you were
playing basketball, I'm gonna use that.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Say you having the basketball.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Court right and and a fan slapped you in the face,
a spit on, you wouldn't do nothing.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
You're gonna try to you just wouldn't do nothing. Just
say don't do that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I think my instinct would be to do something. But
ultimately what happens is if you react, you're going to
get it too.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's the product. No, you know, you're not gonna get it.
That's not always true for it. That's like somebody breaking
in your house and you shoot and kill him. I'm
just using extrain. Let's say you don't kill him. Let's
say break the house and you beat his assle.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
No, fine, ain't nothing.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
But so I mean it's pretty much the same thing.
It really is.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I mean it is. But you know, but only thing
is you want to you as a sports figure, you're
supposed to have restraint. Yes, I have restraint. If somebody
just just saying some crazy stuff, you suck all that
kind of stuff. But when you start going to people's
moms and kids, and you know, and and and getting
like that, you deserve what you get. I mean, it's
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like it's like when you go poke the lion or
the bear and and and which what you think the.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Bear gonna do or the line you gonna do.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Go now, no, he ain't gonna be out. He gonna
put them claws. That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Yeah, And and the hard part is that there are
people out there that just that's all they want.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
To do is bait you into doing right somebody. Some
people are so yeah, litigious right now that they're gonna
sue you. Oh I'm gonna bait you. I'm gonna say something,
get you to hit me. You hit me, and now
I'm gonna sue you. So it's it's hard in the
world that we live in. But yeah, they're just there's
certain things that.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
That, you know, just unforgivable.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Eric, have a great Christmas, Have a great merry.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Christmas, you guys, everybody have merry Christmas. I talk to
you guys next week right on. No, you won't, You're
talking to us in two weeks.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Two weeks. Oh, I got the week off.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah you do?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Oh hell yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Okay, Ronnie, thank you, Kevin, thank you, and Rodney.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We're back to wrap up to you tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
You got it.
Okay, only two hours for today, so let's keep this
thing moving because Kevin will be along a little bit
later on this hour. With everything that's happened today, and
it's lit all right, two weeks ago, we're sitting here going,
I'll tell you what, this could not be any sweeter
for the Rams, could not. I mean, my god, they're
in the driver's seat. They'll have home field advantage throughout
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the playoffs. That's what they need to get to the
super Bowl. Now we look at it, and right now,
the Rams of the fifth.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Seed, just that fast, just that fast.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
That game against Seattle was a great game, I guess
if you were rooting for Seattle. So the Rams now
find themselves seated fifth. Seattle is now the number one
seed in the NFC Chicago. With a prayer yesterday Beach
Green Bay, they're now seated number two in San Francisco,
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the sixth seed. At ten and four, they could concede
pavably win the division. Now, Eric, when you look at this,
what do you see?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I see what I've been saying all year, you know,
turnovers and special teams. I mean, look, and I always say, look,
you're not going at there trying to turn the ball
over and you're not going at the trying to you know,
not do even job on special teams. The special team
has been a problem, even dating back to last year, Fred,
I mean field goals missed.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
I mean going let's go to the first game we
lost against Philly.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I mean, we had a chance to win that game,
and I said, going up there, even when they went
to the NFC Championship game, we don't turn the ball up.
We beat Philadelphia, we turned the ball over twice. We
go there this year and play them, we turned the
ball over again, I think once, maybe once, maybe once,
but we get two field goals blocked. I mean it
shows we got we got some problems in that in
that area. Come to San Francisco. The next week, we
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lose to San Francisco. We missed field goals again and
we turned the ball over, you know, going into for
a score. But you know that's just that's how football works.
But you cannot be missing all these field goals. I mean,
this game is the game that they played Thursday night.
They should have won that game. I mean I thought
they won the game. I ain't gonna lie, but something
told me, you know what, you know what you know
what really kind of upset me. Fred watching the players
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on the sideline celebrating with seven minutes left, I'm like,
that's not a good thing because this is a professor.
These are professional football teams. You're celebrating over there, laughing.
Uh uh, you got to stay locked in. And when
they ran that punt back, I said, oh man, that's
a bad time, and sure enough it was. I mean,
i'm and I'm with McVeigh. I mean, look, I don't
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you fire the guy. I mean, you have to do
what you have to do. But it's something wrong with
the special teams. The special teams. A lot of fans,
you fans don't know how important special teams are, but players,
we know how important it is. Just like that punt
return change the game, block field goals change the game,
miss field goals change the game, mishanling of punts, mishanling
of field goals. All that is very important in a
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football game. It's not just offensive defense. Special teams. That's
a part of a football game. And and I think
that we're one of the worst teams in the special
teams area. And I see why he had to fire
the guy. I mean, it's got named Chase Blackburn, I
think his.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
Name, and they had Fossil here.
Speaker 6 (03:10):
Fossil was one of the best in one of the best,
one of the best. Yep, everybody believes he was one
of the best special teams guys in the league. And
then don't understand why sometimes teams get rid of guys.
I don't understand why they do that when I was
regarded as as the best at their at their job.
But yeah, you can't win. You can't win without all
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three phases. You really can't. And because if it's going
to come back to bite you. I used to God,
I used to hate that. I used to hate that
when we would drive down the field for either a
go ahead touchdown or tie it up or get it close,
and then we kick off and next thing you know,
they running it. They running a kickoff back, if not
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all the way running back in our territory. So they
got a short field that was just like, it breaks
your back. And for them to give up that punt
return when the game was in the ring, yeah really,
and it gave him life. It gave him life. And
now Seattle's looking up going to oh, now we're only
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ten down, let's go, let's go we got a lot
of time left and gave them. Especially when you're on
the road too, you don't under estimate the crowd and
the influence and the momentum when you have a play
like that, the crowd gets because crowd was out of
the game, he runs the punt back, crowds now in
that place. Crowd's now back in the game. And then
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all of a sudden, you're three and out, and.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Now they're they're right down two scores and now there's
one score, and man, and you don't want to go
to overtime, and they did.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
But man, it's it's a tough road.
Speaker 6 (04:45):
But but even that, Seattle still, I mean, I know
you said, you know, Rams jumped, you know, bounced to
the fifth seat. But Seattle's got to go to Carolina,
which quite as kept. Carolina's playing well and leading the
NFC South, beat Tampa Bay, and then they got to
play the forty nine ers who just talked, right, they
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got the last.
Speaker 5 (05:06):
Two games for Seattle. Is not easy. And you're right,
I mean.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Sitting in the wings is the San Francisco forty nine ers,
if they went out, could be the number one seed
in the NFC.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, let's look at the AFC.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Now, I mean the Chargers Chargers one, Chargers Chargers are
eleven and four. But even in the in the AFC,
all right, first, we didn't think Denver would be there.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
So let's just be honest.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
When you kicked off the season, nobody said, oh, Denver
will have the best record in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Nobody.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
All right, New England, they looked good last night, by
the way, Drake Macon play.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Nobody thought New England would have the best record in
the AFC twelve and three as well.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
I know nobody thought jackson wo.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
No, that's right, that's it. That you right, I'll tell
you last week watch out for Jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And now you've got the Chargers at eleven and four,
Buffalo at eleven, and for Houston at ten and five.
That that is very tight. I mean any of those teams,
any of those teams could catapult the others. They're wan
to tie break over Buffalo. The Chargers do based on
best win percentage and conference games, so they would finish
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ahead of Buffalo if they tied with the same records.
Speaker 6 (06:24):
Hey, and don't sleep don't sleep on damn Pittsburgh Steelers. Ye,
go into Detroit and win been on a three game
winning streak. Aaron Rodgers is playing like he's thirty two
years old. Now again, that's not an easy place to
go into play in Detroit and get that win, and
they did that, and he's been playing well. Man, it's
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it's it's gonna be very very interesting in the in
the AFC. Do you who do you think the pressures
on when you when you look at the teams and
the guys that are out, especially quarterbacks, don't you feel
like all the pressure right now is on Josh Allen.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yes, that now.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
That Mahomes is out and looks like the Baltimore ravens
Lamar is out right, the team that he's had to
go against for years.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Joe Burrow's out of it.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
If Buffalo doesn't get the job done this year, something's
gonna be up with him.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Well, don't you think if Buffalo doesn't get the job
done this year too, no fault of anyone that just
it happened that way, then something has to change there
because their window, I mean it just opened again because
you know, Mahomes is done, Burrow's is done, Lamar Jackson's
not gonna play. The window is open again, I don't
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know how long that thing stays open for these guys
because their window has been open, but they haven't been
able to get over the hump. Yeah, and if they
can't get over the hump this time, you can't keep
doing the same thing the same way because it's not enough.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
But the thing with Buffalo is, and maybe they aren't.
I just look him at it at as almost like
a one dimensional team, especially offensively. I mean defensively, you
know they can they sometimes they can play with anybody.
They play well, you know they been, but they don't break.
But offensively, when you look at Buffalo, you don't really
worry about the office. He worried about Josh Allen, you know,
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that's what you worry about, him running around, you know,
making big plays. And I still say, and I hate
to say this, I just hate to see him run
so much the way he runs because he's going to
get hurt, you know, And you don't want to see
any quarterback to get hurt. I don't see any player
get hurt. But he gives himself up. I mean, he
tries to do too much, just like my homes in
Kansas City. You know, he tried to put the team
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on his back. This year, you know, they were they
were not the same team they were last year a
year before. You know, they've been there, they've been in
a steady decline, and they showed their offensive line. And
I just think the same thing with Buffalo. I don't
think Buffalo can beat I don't think Buffalo.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I just don't believe they can. They can go into
a mile high and winning mile hot. You know, if
they had to go down to play demver, I don't
think that. I don't think they could do that. And
you know, even Jacksonville, I said it before Jacksonville was
playing good man. You know, you win any right, you know,
you get that confidence. You're like, man, we could beat
anybody many We hot right now. And that's what it
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comes down to, how hot and how healthy you get.
That's your young confidence too.
Speaker 6 (09:20):
You know, you've got Trevor Lawrence is playing well and
it people have doubted whether he was going to be
the guy that that everybody thought he was going to
be coming out of college, and now he's feeling it.
Speaker 5 (09:29):
They're feeling it.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
They're feeling like they can go anywhere and win, you know,
and that's that's a powerful thing. But you're right about Buffalo.
They you know, they they did run the ball yesterday
and and uh, you know, and and they're gonna have
to be a little bit more balanced and not relying
much on Josh Allen. And I do I worry about
him too, because you think about the guys that ran
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like him.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
You know, Cam.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Newton had a five year run where he was as
dominant as they could, big guy, but took so many
hits they did not, and he was not saying and
Josh Allen is taking those hits. They got so many
design runs for him, and he runs on his own,
you know, anyway, but they designed runs for him, and
he's taken so many hits that you wonder how long
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it's gonna lie. Look, look what's happening to Lamar now.
He is banged banged up and he's not running like
he used to. And that was his that was his
ace in a hole and he's not able to do
it because he's hurt. And so to continue with that
with Josh Allen's gonna be it's gonna be difficult. And
so I agree with you, Fred. The window for them
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is right now, is right now. Otherwise they're gonna have
to make some change.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Well, let me ask you, Rodney, do you do you
think that they could get there to the to the
Super Bowl?
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:50):
I do, I do, because they got to change down
with Jacksonville beating Denver. They got a chance to win
the East because they beat beating New England. I think
they're they're tied with them now, but I think that
they got.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
A game behind the chances.
Speaker 6 (11:08):
They still got a chance to win the East, and
I think they still got the makeup. It depends on
how it lines up because Denver, Remember Denver is still
a young team with a young quarterback. New England is
still a young team with a young quarterback. And the
playoffs are different. You play at a different speed. You know,
Buffalo has been there those most of those guys have
been there and done that, and so I'm not worried
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about if they have to go somewhere and go win.
Speaker 5 (11:34):
I just think that they this is this is a
year that they have to put it all together.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
So when you look at it, you you really think
that Buffalo could be their NFC. You wan't even handicapped
at at this point. I mean, it's so tight, it's
it's yeah, you.
Speaker 6 (11:52):
Because, I mean, I don't look the defending champs, Philadelphia didn't.
It didn't even look close to the same team that
they are, right that they were last year.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
And they're ten and five.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Yeah, you know, they don't even look closer and five,
gonna win the East, gonna get you know, they're gonna
get a home playoff game, all that kind of stuff.
But don't even they look so beatable. It's the NFC West,
It's the Rams, Seahawks and forty nine Ers are the
three teams that are that are the dominant teams in
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the NFC. But again, to Eric's point on the AFC side,
can't discount Houston with that defense, and you can't discount
the just the confidence that Jacksonville's playing with right now.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, they they beat up on They beat up on
them for yesterday. I mean you could see they were
very confident the point like, oh, we can win this game,
dominate them in second half. I think the NFC, I
don't know, I don't know who's coming out of the NFC. Yeah,
so wait, so let me so basically, if the Rams
went out and San Francisco went out, san Francisco wins
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the division. No, So what does Seattle do if the
forty nine ers went out? Seattle?
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I mean, the forty nine ers have to beat them
because they play right, right, I bet I think the
nine ers would jump jump Seattle, right, that would happen.
But so good bour losses right, everybody wins out. Forty
nine ers would win the division. They have the number one.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Seed if if they if the forty nine went out,
they get the number one seed.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Could settle haven't even talked about the forty nine ers
this year. They've just quietly been going about their business.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
I've been worried about them, you know, honestly I have.
I've been watching them. You know, you know, you have
a team you don't like. You kind of you don't want,
you want them to lose. But I mean I see
why McVeigh was livid. Because he was livid. I mean,
I said yesterday, I said, can you imagine how mad
McVeigh is right now because they had that game won.
But like I said, that's what losers say. Man, we
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had them, Man, we had them. If we did this,
we had them, if we did that, and they didn't.
They didn't. They didn't take care of business, and like
and I keep going back to watching them on the
sideline celebrating. I said, man, I said, that's a bad
that's a bad look, you know, And that's I mean.
I'm just going from old school, you know, because you
gotta stay you gotta stay locked in.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
The Ford NFL Spotlight is presented by Ford. What's been
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Speaker 6 (14:34):
Yeah, let's go Ford NFL Spotlight. Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan
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let's get caught up. Kevin's got stuff forcing that slip.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Let's go. Ronnie is.
Speaker 7 (14:50):
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Speaker 8 (14:53):
I had some big news out of the NFL, and Fred,
this is right up your alley, mister, relocation Rogan. So
we talked about this last year with the Kansas City
Chiefs and there was a vote to extend a sales
tax in order to fund renovations around the Royals and
Arrowhead Stadium, both of their stadiums out there in downtown
Kansas City, Missouri. Yes, and the voters rejected it. They say,
we're not paying. We want to be done with this tax.
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We're done subsidizing a billionaire. And it was announced officially
about ten minutes ago, maybe at rumor about this morning,
that there was a vote in Kansas City, Kansas and
they will build a new stadium to house the Kansas
City Chiefs beginning in twenty thirty one.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
You know, if you're Kansas City, Kansas, yeah, you want
them because that's going to be good for you.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
But I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I get people saying enough, just enough. I'm not spending
the money. I don't care. And by the way, how
far is the drive from Kansas City, Kansas to Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 7 (15:48):
I looked it up. It's about fifteen minutes.
Speaker 5 (15:49):
Now. I lived there. I lived there.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I lived there.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
It's a border city, so the city overlaps from both
Kansas and Missouri. So it's you know, there's the river there,
but it overlapped most you know, as the city expanded,
more people moved out and moved into the server of
the Kansas you know, and it's it's basically it's one
(16:13):
city that overlaps the border.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
All right, that's the case. It's a fifty ten minute drive,
fifteen minute.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Drive, yeah, depend on where it is. Yeah, hey, it
would be no more than fifteen minutes, ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, well, I get the people in Missouri saying I
don't want to pay, and I get the people in
Kansas saying we'll take anything.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
So yeah, they're in. And that's really what happened, you
know what.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
And I guarantee you in that new Kansas City, Kansas facility.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
They got some other in samps to move.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
They got some other you come on over here, come on,
we got got it, We got you, We got you.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Come to be a part of us.
Speaker 6 (16:48):
Yeah, we got some tax credits, we got some we
got a bunch of other stuff too.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
In the RAM moved.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
They paid, they paid one They paid one dollar to
Saint Louis for the facility.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
One dollar.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And don't you remember the reason the Rams were able
to get out of there, aside from the fact they
wanted to get out of there, they put into their
agreement that every certain period of time and upgrade, right, Yeah,
that stadium had to be considered in the top ten
percentiles of NFL stadiums. And what does that even mean?
(17:19):
I mean, what does that mean? It's got to be
like in a top ten percent So you can make
that mean whatever you want it to mean, right, we
need two hundred more luxury boxes whatever. But they put
that in there kind of was a poison pill, and
that's ultimately what got him out of Saint Louis.
Speaker 4 (17:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (17:37):
So obviously the University of Michigan and broad in a
lot of controversy really over the last couple of years.
If you go back to the sign stealing scandal, there
was some recruitment issues with Jim Harball when he was there,
and now obviously the Charon More situation. So right now
their interim head coach is someone named Biff Pogi, who
if you don't know who Biff Pog has, look him up.
He looks like his name sounds I'll put it that
way anywhere a mullet.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
There for evert Kevin, he.
Speaker 8 (18:01):
Was so so Roddnen. He actually was on hardball staff there.
He left and became the head coach at the University
of Charlotte. Things did not go well there. He was
like nine to forty or something at the head coach
of Charlotte, got fired, came back and has been on
the staff the last couple of seasons. So just to
salvage whatever they had, have some continuity. They elevated him
to be the interim head coach. At this point in time,
he's even admitted that it's a malfunctioning organization, the University
(18:24):
of Michigan football program, that needs fixing, and he says,
of course he feels like he's the person to do it.
I guess my question to you guys is, considering where
the process is, how deep were into it, early signing
days already passed. Do you do something similar to what
Stanford did this year and just have an interim ahead coach.
Frank Reich was there temporarily for the season, knew he
was going to be interim for the year. Just write
it out with Biff, Pogi Andine, try to start this
(18:45):
thing over in the next year and try to find
a new permanent head coach as opposed to trying to
find somebody now.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
I think you go right now. If you can find
a guy, you got them.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
I mean, I've read I don't know if you guys
saw this they were talking or the coach at Arizona
State was being mentioned.
Speaker 5 (19:00):
He just.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
The minute they heard that they signed him to an extension.
I wouldn't rush, but certainly I would have an eye
out and now Kevin look at it like this. Let's
say they've really done their homework, they have done their research,
and they can't find anybody. I guess you said with Bith,
but they need to get a face of the uh
(19:24):
the football program in there.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
This ain't the face.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
If not the stint the face, you won't. I'm looking
at Biff in this Saint Francis outfit. I'm like, you
gotta you can't do this.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
I'm sorry, but they got.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
This is not come on, this is not Western Michigan.
This is not you know, East Appalachian State. This is Michigan.
You got to have a faith and you got to
go get a guy. And I know that, you know
the names are few and far between, but if they
have to offer the world to get somebody up there,
they got to go do it because you can't be Michigan,
(20:06):
you know, being a battle where you got looking up
and seeing Ohio State won the title last year, Ohio State,
Ohio State's in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (20:13):
This year. You got Indiana in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
You got four other Big ten teams in the playoffs,
and you're gonna fall by the wayside.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
You cannot do that. If you're Michigan. It's too big
of a program to not to have a face as
their head coach. And they might have to, like I said,
it might have to offer the world to give somebody
to come there. But that that is exactly what they
have to do in Michigan is one of the schools
that can afford it.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
They can afford to offer somebody the world.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, because uh uh.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
They collect the program is as good as anybody.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
They got big.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
But right now, don't you think you know a lot
of these these colleges, I mean, all right is I
mean this is almost mine.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
He's sixty six years old.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I mean these young kids, kids dave they relate to,
you know, young coaches, you know, thirty five, maybe forty
forty five. I mean a sixty six year old man
heading towards seventy years old. I mean, you go, that's
a hard set. That's a hard sell for a young
eighteen year old kid. I mean, that's that's my opinion.
But yeah, that's what I'm saying. You got to get
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somebody that's either done it, somebody that kids know, steal
somebody from something, maybe even coming to the NFL and
go get somebody, but you got to get a face
that the kids will recognize and kids can relate to.
Speaker 8 (21:32):
If ended Updick to something you guys talked about earlier,
the DK Metcalf incidents with a fan yesterday in Detroit.
So obviously the fan says that all he did was
called DK by his government name, and he got offended
by that and it didn't really pass the smell test.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
So Chad Johnson does a podcast and he.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
According I don't know if he has a good relationship
with DK or somebody else closer to it.
Speaker 7 (21:52):
He said that he heard the fan.
Speaker 8 (21:55):
Actually called DK a racial slur and also says something
about his mom, which is something you talked too.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
Is a no no Eric that we go.
Speaker 5 (22:01):
That's that that will make you slap.
Speaker 8 (22:03):
Somebody so allegedly called him the in word and called
his mom the sea word, and that's what set him off.
And if that, if that is true, I would understand
why DK would have that sort of reaction to.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
That fan most definitely. That's why I said he said
more than what he said. I don't believe that because
I mean, somebody, what is this government name, Derek? I
mean Derek Derek Cannard, Derek what is his nickname? Derek
Kenneth Metcalf. I mean, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
What CAUs.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Like you said the smell test.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
Does that warrant the reaction that DK had to that fan.
He calls him by his government name. That That's all
I did, is call him by his government name. If
I called you, what's your middle name? Eric, Dimitric Dick Jan,
it'd be like Frederick J.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Rogan, You're gonna go all what I'm saying like that,
You're gonna slap the fan because they call you Frederick J.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
Or Eric what's your middle name? Eric?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Eric Demetrick and Mama h Eric, you in trouble. No,
you're not going off like that. So he had something
something else was say yeah, yeah, like I said, he said,
more than it's you did your mama or they call
you the N word and that's gonna make you do something.
Speaker 5 (23:24):
Here's the thing. Or he spit on him, Oh your
wife or something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Spit on him.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Now that's but here's here's the problem. No matter what
he said, you cannot slap that guy.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
I'm sorry, No, I hear you. I know, I know.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Fred I disagree, Fred, you know, uh uh, I'm it's
it's certain things.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
You just what said, sound.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
That's an amber alert going on.
Speaker 7 (23:52):
You can't turn off.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Fred.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
It's certain things that you cannot stand for. It's just
certain things you can't stand. I don't care what I don't.
You don't care what the backlash is. It's like somebody walking,
you walking with your mom and somebody come and slap
your mama out the blue. What you're supposed to say?
Excuse me, sir, I mean, you shouldn't hit my mom
like that. I'm gonna try to beat your today.
Speaker 6 (24:15):
If you remember when Jamar Chase uh spit on Jalen Ramsey,
right a Jalen Ramsey asked somebody that he said football
was football was over there.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, he spit in my face football and even Mike Tomlin,
even Mike Tomlin in the press conference said all bets
are off there when somebody disrespects you and crosses that line,
all bets are off.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
It's it's not about football anymore. And you gotta you
gotta stand up to that. And so I think Eric,
Eric is right as much as you that, Yeah, you
like to have restraint and you want to, you know,
hold back, and you're supposed to be dignified and you're
supposed to not to engage and all that. When somebody
crosses that line talking about your mom, your family, or
spits on you like that, then it's it's beyond it's
(25:07):
beyond respect that at that point he's treated you and
he's crossed the lone.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
Yeah, you dragged his ass down that field, and you
deal with the consequences later. You might you're gonna have
to do it, but you have.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
To do it. But hey, man, you can't. You can't
do that.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And of course it's like Fred, it's like a person
you see him on tape.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
I see you on the.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
Video, that's you, and you plead, that's not guilty. That
ain't me.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
That's not you with the green shirt that you got
on right now. Yeah that's me, but that ain't me.
So what are you gonna what are you gonna say?
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Yeah, that's me. No, he's gonna say I'm not guilty.
Of course he said something. He said something that set
that man off.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
I agree, I agree, I get it. I'm just saying
it's tough. It's tough when you start punching guys.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Slapping them.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Some players, nothing says, says nothing that you would that
that you could anyone could say to you that wouldn't.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Would have you. That's it. Okay, I gotta take him
out or I gotta go after that.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
No, I'm not saying you don't want to take him out,
you don't want to go, I say I want to.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I'm saying that he said you Fred, he said you
you you Fred, you Frid. Somebody did something to Haley
or said something about Haley. I think you're just in
a moment.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
I hear you.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You just gotta It's hard, but I think if you
are a player, you just gotta walk on.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
See.
Speaker 6 (26:29):
See that's the thing. That's the thing that people go
hide behind. Oh he's a player, and they and they
say that to defend themselves from saying that they're not human.
Players are human. People are human. We're animals, like right when.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
When you they look at us as animals pretty much
when you're on that field, I know, cause they've said it,
you're nothing but an animal.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
Really, you have human emotions and you're gonna have human reactions.
So to it just suggest oh because you got a
uniform on, you're you're supposed to walk away and you're
not supposed to have any response to it. That's not realistic.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Okay.
Speaker 8 (27:03):
Sometimes it's like an out of body experience to hear
people say like, oh I saw red and everything just
kind of went black.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
You know that? That that's it. I cannot think of
his now.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
I played with him in Indianapolis and we were in
Green Bay and his boys were sitting next to a fan.
His brothers was a Gollie. His receiver played for Atlanta,
played with the Coats. We drafted him in the first round. Uh,
Andre ryd Andre Risey.
Speaker 5 (27:26):
Andre Risey.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
So we're in Green Bay and the guy was taunting,
saying stuff to Andre on the field.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Andre pointed at his buddies.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
They went over to that guy and I don't know
what they said to him, but all of a sudden
he became the biggest Andre rising fan.
Speaker 5 (27:46):
But they said something to him. I'm like, and I laughed.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
I said, wait, he said, I told him, hey, take
care of him.
Speaker 7 (27:55):
Lighting up a headlines.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Oh yeah, that's my boy, bad moon.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Right, that was my boy.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
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Speaker 6 (28:12):
All Right, let's go, Rodney Pete, Fred Rogan, Hall of
famer Eric Dickinson back to wrap it up two Hours
show today, Let's go fret us all.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
I gotta I gotta ask you this question.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
So basically, if you were playing sports, say you were
playing basketball, I'm gonna use that.
Speaker 4 (28:29):
Say you having the basketball.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Court right and and a fan slapped you in the face,
a spit on, you wouldn't do nothing.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
You're gonna try to you just wouldn't do nothing. Just
say don't do that.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
I think my instinct would be to do something. But
ultimately what happens is if you react, you're going to
get it too.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's the product. No, you know, you're not gonna get it.
That's not always true for it. That's like somebody breaking
in your house and you shoot and kill him. I'm
just using extrain. Let's say you don't kill him. Let's
say break the house and you beat his assle.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
No, fine, ain't nothing.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
But so I mean it's pretty much the same thing.
It really is.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I mean it is. But you know, but only thing
is you want to you as a sports figure, you're
supposed to have restraint. Yes, I have restraint. If somebody
just just saying some crazy stuff, you suck all that
kind of stuff. But when you start going to people's
moms and kids, and you know, and and and getting
like that, you deserve what you get. I mean, it's
(29:28):
like it's like when you go poke the lion or
the bear and and and which what you think the.
Speaker 4 (29:32):
Bear gonna do or the line you gonna do.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
Go now, no, he ain't gonna be out. He gonna
put them claws. That's what's gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Yeah, And and the hard part is that there are
people out there that just that's all they want.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
To do is bait you into doing right somebody. Some
people are so yeah, litigious right now that they're gonna
sue you. Oh I'm gonna bait you. I'm gonna say something,
get you to hit me. You hit me, and now
I'm gonna sue you. So it's it's hard in the
world that we live in. But yeah, they're just there's
certain things that.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
That, you know, just unforgivable.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Eric, have a great Christmas, Have a great merry.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Christmas, you guys, everybody have merry Christmas. I talk to
you guys next week right on. No, you won't, You're
talking to us in two weeks.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Two weeks. Oh, I got the week off.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Yeah you do?
Speaker 4 (30:20):
Oh hell yeah?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Okay, Ronnie, thank you, Kevin, thank you, and Rodney.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
We're back to wrap up to you tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
You got it.
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