December 23, 2025 • 43 mins
We talk about the Dodgers having the highest luxury tax payroll than any team in MLB history and why Angels fans might want to consider jumping ship. Ryan Kartje from the LA Times hops on to talk about the end (or at least pause) of the USC-Notre Dame football rivalry.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, here we go, Fred Rogan, Rodney Pete on a
five to seventy LA Sports. This is our final show
of the year. This is it, And Kevin, I know,
we put a lot of thought into what we like
to call our end of the year Christmas Extravaganza program.
So what do we have scheduled for today?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, outside of great a great sports talk show like
we put on on a every single day basis, Fred,
nothing really special unless you want me to, like, you know,
put some bells on or something and ring them at
you guys talk or something like that.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I can do that.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Okay, yeah, Fred, what kind of setup was that?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, no, I'm just wondering. It's our big end of
the year Christmas show. It is.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
That's news to me, our big end of the year
Christmas extravaganzel. Has that discussed? Rodney's I missed the memo
on that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I missed it too. I missed it too. This is
the last show of the year, that's all that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, that's kind of way I look at. I do
want to ask you this before we get started today.
Oliver's Christmas. What do we have planned for baby?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, gonna spend time with my family, as well as
my wife's family has a ton of gifts that probably
more than he than is necessary for a nineteen month old.
But he's gonna have a good time, and he already
has had some. My in laws are in town, my
nieces are in town. He loves chasing them around. So
it's been a fun Christmas season for him so far.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Now he's an old vet. Now he's good. This is
second Christmas, so he's good.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
You good to go. You didn't get him a bike,
did your? Or like a little car?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Fred nineteen months?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I'm just asking. There's a reason I'm asking for a
bike or like, No, he does not have a bike
for it one of those little cars, you know, like
it's a battery operated little car.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
No, not in nineteen months?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, Well here's why. Because if you look outside, you
know the rain is coming. It's gonna rain tomorrow, it's
gonna rain on Christmas Day and I think the day after.
And that's really gonna be sad for all the little
kids to get bikes and little cars and things. They
won't be able to go outside and ride them. And
I think that's sad. They'll try, don't you don't come
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out eventually, Fred. Yeah, but they want to go out
and ride their bike right now or their little car.
They don't want to wait, they want to go outside.
I think it's sad. I think it's sad. It's going
to be raining so little kids can't go outside.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, you know what, the kids can get their bikes
and the little cars and they can drive them and
ride them inside of Fred's house. How about that?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And let me ask you something. Kids that don't live
in California, especially as southern California, they live in say Minnesota, Wisconsin,
New York, Buffalo, wherever they live back east, and they
got to deal with the snow and the cold and all.
They get bikes too, don't they, or they just don't.
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If you live past the Mississippi River, you don't get bikes. No,
they don't. So what do they do? They don't they
go out.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I'm glad you brought that up, because if you look
national statistics, kids in those cities are just normally depressed.
They're depressed that they are in the snow and they
can't ride their bikes. That is a known that is
that's a non statistic Rodney, and that's why we don't
have that here. Everybody's so happy in California because we
don't deal with that depression of the snow unless you
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choose to go to with your kids.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Kids don't go outside on the East coast, east of
the Mississippi, they don't go outside.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, listen, I was born in Detroit, right, yeah, okay,
so that would count kind of east. Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay, yes? In the winter, cold and cold in the winter.
My parents want me to go out three times, I
just stay in the house.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Oh yeah, well you're an interesting kid, Fred, That's why
I had to deal with you differently. But yeah, I
played five years and Detroit, played four years in Philadelphia
where it's cold as well. And on Christmas Day the
next day, they were always kids outside doing their thing,
whether it's whether it's a bike. If it didn't snow
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like crazy, they were out there riding their new bikes,
had a toboggan, you know, we're playing. They were playing
with whatever they played with, and yet the weather didn't
bother them. So what's the little rain here in southern California?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Fred? Okay, I'm just saying you're gonna have to eventually
learn how to drive in the rain. So why not
learn how to bike in the rain. Okay, the little kid.
But here's what you have to understand, and then we
begin the show. You know my role in life. I'm
here for the kids, and I'm here for older people,
and I'm here for animals and anything that affects any
one of those three groups, I speak out. That's why
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I'm here. I'm here for the people, so I can
make that statement for the people because I'm concerned. I'm
not saying I'm gonna lose sleep. I mean, let's not
lose our mind.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
But still forbid, Fred jeez, I mean, God forbid a
kid grows up in Seattle where the rainfall. It rains
two hundred days out of the year. Fred, God forbid
a kid grows up in Seattle. What is he gonna do?
He's depressed. I have one word for him, true therapy.
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I'm just saying, here we go.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
As we wrap up this year, you know the overriding
story for us, and it should have been with the Dodgers.
A lot of talk during the regular season last year
about how much money the Dodgers spent and you know,
nobody can catch them the deferred payments. Well, as we
say goodbye, to this year and prepare for next which
will be spring training soonter than you know. The Dodgers
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had the highest luxury tax bill in MLB history. It
was one hundred and sixty nine million dollars. Now, out
of the Dodgers, that's like one hundred and sixty nine
dollars to be quite honest with you. But it was
one hundred and sixty nine million dollars. And what does
that mean? Ultimately, Roddie, that was higher than the payrolls
of twelve other teams. Their luxury tax bill was higher
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than the payrolls of twelve other teams. Whose fault is
that the Dodgers are the other teams?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I say, the other teams, I say, the other teams?
Where we should be? And at least I think we
are in a competitive world and competitive business and sports
are the ultimate competition, and so if you're going to
be competitive, then you had to keep up. And so, yeah,
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the fact that the Dodgers spend one hundred and sixty
nine million dollars in luxury tax and that is more
than twelve other teams spent on their payroll, that's embarrassing.
That's embarrassing to me. You don't today. It's not nineteen
sixty eight. Fred, You don't. You should not own a team.
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You should not own a team unless you're ready to
come play, play with the big boys. So this whole
I'm just getting by, we're just breaking even. Get out
of the business. Go get to a business where you're
not breaking even then, or you don't quote say you're
breaking even. Get out of that business. Go do something else.
Leave it to the big boys. Because this is ridiculous
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that people blame the Dodgers because they want to be
successful and they spend money to do that, and other
people may complain about it. Don't be in that business.
That business may not be for you. So I have
no complaints about the Dodgers, and it is on everybody else.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I agree. I agree to a degree here. First of all,
stop complaining. You're a billionaire. Stop complaining. How about we
try it with that. You're in the game, and now
you're complaining that you don't have enough money to be
in the game. Stop stop bitching. It doesn't work for me.
If you're in, your in. If you're out, you're out.
We've made this point many times. If you can't afford it,
sell it, go go you won't because your ego. You
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won't because you do like the money you make. You
won't because you like the power it brings. But sell
it and go now now to be fair. To be fair,
some markets generate more revenue than others. Certainly Los Angeles
in the Dodge generates the most because of the way
the Dodgers do business. They're cable TV deal extraordinary. When
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they signed Otani, even though they had many advertising partners
and sponsors, Otani opened up the Pacific rim Japan. I
mean they make money. Everybody that advertises, everybody that's a sponsor.
Look around the stadium. How many sponsors do you see
on the dasher boards in the outfield? How many everybody's
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paying to be a part of this. They want to
be associated with the Dodgers. So the Dodgers have a
very good business model. And because they do spend, they
make money. What's the old saying, it takes money to
make money. A lot of these owners think the less
I spend, the more I make, so then I won't spend.
But to make real money, you have to spend money.
The Dodgers have that ability because of Gougenheim. There are
markets that do not have that ability. They don't have
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the population, they don't have the revenue. When we were
in Cincinnati for Jack's Masters graduation, we went out to dinner.
People were at what it cost amazed. I said, oh
my god, we should move here permanently. This is great.
It doesn't cost what it does in LA. That's true. Yes,
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that means you can't make as much money in Cincinnati
as you can in LA.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Or you can save more money in Cincinnati than you
can in LA.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Fair.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
That's fair. But the market's not going to generate the
kind of revenue. So they do to a degree, have
a point. I get that, but that that's on you.
Not about the amount of money you spend. It's how
you spend your money that's on you. You need to
figure out a farm system. You need to figure out
a front office. You need to figure out a system
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that resupplies, that continues the pipeline of players to the
majors so you are competitive every year. You have to
draft better, you have to scout better. That's on you.
That's on you. No, I gotta be honest. Roll of
ninety seven million dollars is not going to beat the Dodgers.
It's not going to happen. I mean, you might get
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lucky once out of one hundred times, but in games
that matter, you're never going to beat a team like that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
No, no, And I keep going back to, is no
longer are the days Fred of the local car dealer
owns the team, or the you know, the local businessman
that got his buddies together that started their construction firm
owns the team. Goga Nheim. There's no roots in LA
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for them. They didn't grow up in LA and say,
oh god, we've been from the time I was too
I wanted to own the Dodgers. Mark Walter is the
Chicago based There's a lot of work in Chicago, a
lot of great work in that city as a matter
of fact, but they're not based in LA. And so
when you're talking about billions now with these teams, sure
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markets are different, but I'm sure your businesses, most of
the guy's businesses are not centrally located in that particular market, true,
in that particular city. So don't give me this, Oh
this market is this, and this market is not as
well as the Dodgers. And yeah, I lose money on
I don't make as much Dodger and TV money but
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make it somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Get a better marketing department.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Maybe figure out a formula that fills the stands instead
of having twelve thousand people there. Maybe if you lower
the prices a little bit and fill and have sellouts,
maybe that helps your bottom line. Maybe do something with
your marketing and your concessions. I don't know, but don't complain.
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Don't complain in the global world that we live in,
that you're stuck in this market and you can't make
the money.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well, now let's look at the angels. Bill Shakin wrote
a peace in the Times, everybody freaked. If you read
the whole thing, if you're read to the end, and
I guess most people didn't read to the end, But
if you're read to the end, you realize what he
was trying to say. The Japanese third baseman that signed
oh my God with a White Sox, the slugging third
baseman coming out of Japan. He was posted. I think
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he signed a two year deal for thirty four million
dollars seventeen millionaire. This was a guy that everybody was
interested in. Not the Dodgers, but the majority of the
teams were. He struck out a lot, but he's a
power hitter and there's excitements surrounding him, and apparently the
Angels were interested Perry Vanasi and said, yeah, we want
to take a run at this guy. He went to
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Artie Moreno and said this is what had cost and
Artie Moreno said, no, no, no, the Angels operate like
a small market team. Now they are in a much
bigger market than that, but they operate like a small
market team, and you can't compete in the marketplace with
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the Dodgers doing that. The worst thing Arty Moreno did
is called them the Los Angeles Angels Anaheim because he thought, well,
if we put Los Angeles in the name, then we'll
be able to attract sponsors. An ambit ack like though,
you got to act like it, and there it is,
and there it is. You got to act like it.
He doesn't act like it. I mean, it's it's a sham.
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And they're not projected to be very good this year.
That being said, Bill Shakin wrote a piece. We talked
about it last week. Jim Bowden, former major league general manager,
he came out and said, look, if you're sick and
tired of the Dodgers winning and your team not spending money.
How about you divorce your team. How about you divorce
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your team. You can go back and Marryham later, just
become a Dodger fan. Now, if you're sick of the
Dodgers winning and your team stinks, well, then give up
on your team and go be a Dodger fan. And
then then you can go back to your team. You
can get remarried, you have a separation period. Then you
don't have to agonize over your team not spending any money.
And Bill Shakan suggested in the time at the end
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of it it was different, but as you read it,
the suggestion was, if you're an Angel fan and you're
sick of it, and by the way, I'd be sick
of it. I would be sick of that. If you're
an Angel fan and you're sick of it, just root
for the Dodgers. Just do that. Yeah, and then if
the Angels are good again, go back and remarry him,
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remarry him, rekindle that romance. But for the meantime, run
off with the Dodgers and root for them, and don't
complain about how bad it is for you. Now, he
did say at the end of the piece. But then again,
if someone is in your heart. If the Angels are
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your heart, then you can never leave them and you'll
stick with them. That's fine, you can stick with them.
But don't complain. If you're a Pits, if you're a
Pittsburgh fan and you're sick of it, don't complain. Do
not complain. You know you're gonna get your brains beat in. Okay,
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and you like that. That's fun for you. I'm in
a root for the angel. You should, but don't complain.
You can't complain. That's what he's saying here. No more complaining.
They stink. Don't complain. They don't spend money. Don't complain.
They don't have the infrastructure to win every day. Don't complain.
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Do not complain. You have no complaint. You're with them
or you're against them, and you got no bitch. And
if you're gonna complain, we'll just leave them.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Let me ask you this, Fred, Yes, because there's such
a big discrepancy in baseball, and baseball is always you know,
they've got the best players union of all sports. They've
done things their own way for years, and they have
had a tremendous renaissance and resurgence over the last few
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years and the popularity. There was a time where baseball
was losing its audience and losing especially young people that
were not paying attention they were using, losing players, especially
from the States, and now the popularity is as great
as it's ever been. Do you think that baseball would
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ever go to the NFL type of model where it's
a full profit sharing collective group that if you're in
Green Bay you can compete with LA, if you're in
Cincinnati you can compete with New York. Do you think
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baseball ever goes to that? Given the light of where
TV is now, Streaming is now all the all these
outlets are now and I know the regional networks have
a lot to do with this, but do you think
that they would ever go to that model to make it,
to try to help it be more of what some
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people would call a level playing field.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I don't think the players union would ever go for that.
I don't think they would ever go for that. Why,
the players make too much money. This would only benefit
the owners. For the players would be a step backwards.
The NFL players get screwed pretty simple, Yes, they get screwed.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's gotten better, obviously, it's gotten a lot better. But yeah,
for the most part, Yes, yeah, they get screwed. It
makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
These guys play seventeen games a year in the most
physically demanding sport of all and they make the least
amount of money. Yeah, it's insane. There's no way the
players union would go for that. That train has left
the station. It's not gonna happen. What they need to
do to calm this down? First, again, don't complain. If
your team's bad, don't complain. If you complain, then you
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should divorce your team and go with a winning team.
Go step out on your team, right, Unless there's so
embedded in your heart you can't give it up, then
stop complaining.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Just if there be a percentage that the Dodgers and
Yankees and Cubs and Braves share match in their red
sox with their regional sports networks with everybody else, two
things about that.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
First, there might be a percentage of that. Now, by
the way, there might be. But moreover all, the rsns
are going to die. You know, Bally's is about to
go under again. Yes, that's gonna be it when Balle's
goes under, or yeah, no, it's FanDuel. Now it's FanDuel
Vandal's about to go under if they don't have a
deal in place with the Zone. By middle of January,
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they're done and the leagues are going to start the
production of all these games. I think ESPN is going
to handle it for him. But they're done. What does
that mean in the big picture, That means any rights
fees they were to be paid will not be paid.
They're done. The RSN model, the regional sports network model
is dead. The only place it still works is here
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because the Dodgers are part owners of Spectrum, right right.
Yankees on their own yes, yeah, I think rets meaning
yes network, yeah right. Mets are very big into Sports
Channel or yeah, and Atlanta Atlanta Cobs yep. They on
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their own. They on their own. And the plan ultimately
to try to make things either.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
A Netflix or a Peacock or one of those that
comes in say want to take over that, We're gonna
make it all. We're gonna throw a bunch of money
at you so every team can benefit. That's the plan
from that. The plan is ultimately, and it's going to
be an issue with like Dodgers, they're on their own
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regional network. But for everybody else here's the model. Major
League Baseball produces the games, so it's not fan duel
or NBC Sports Network. Ultimately, Major League Baseball produces all games,
and you subscribe to the MLB APP or their streaming
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service for however month much a month you pay, you
get every game.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
That's how it works. Cable will be gone. Ultimately, that's
the plan. You will get every game on the MLB
APP and there will be no blackouts. So let's say
it costs you two hundred bucks a year. Well, how
many people are willing to pay two hundred bucks a
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year across America to get that? Okay, multiply that number
by two hundred bucks a month. Whatever that revenue is.
However much money they make from that, everybody shares it equally.
That's what they want to do. And in doing that,
you're taking money out of the Dodgers' pocket because they
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make so much from their their own regional network, the Cobs,
the Yankees. You'll take money out of their pocket. But
then everybody will be equal, and no one can no
one unless you're the Dodgers and don't care. Can just
spend a ton of money? No they can't.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But the Dodgers certainly also on other avenues of revenue.
Make more money on marketing. And you see the signage
out there, A sign and center field for the Dodgers
is going to cost triple what it costs in Cincinnati,
or quadruple or even ten times what it costs in Cincinnati.
So they still gonna make more even if the regional
networks or Major League Baseball takes over these games and
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shares it equally.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, So anyway, don't jump ship, don't complain, don't complain.
If you complain, you have to jump.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Jump Yeah, jump ship before you complain.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
That's it. That's how we're going to do this. Okay,
we got to get more to what happened with the
USC Notre Dame yesterday, Ryan KARTI will be joined of
the program. Dylan Hernandez to the Times, Rodney. I don't
know if you've heard about this. There is enormous news
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about Dylan Hernandez and our friend Jack Harris. We'll talk
with him at one o'clock. Then during the two o'clock hour,
Vinnie bon Signor joins the show. Oh yes, Christmas and
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Hollis love it.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Ronnie run DMC Yes, Happy holidays everyone, Rodney, Pete fred
Rogan on a wind.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Day before Christmas? Right, all.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, this is always good, always good.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
All right, Rodney.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We talked about this at the top of the show
yesterday because that's when we found out about it. We
have a moratorium on the series between USC and Notre Dame.
So what happened? Why did it get to this point
to find out? We welcome on Ryan Krtchy of a
La Times and Ryan, thanks for being here of course
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any time. All right, what in God's name happened over
there at the USC. Let's just get into it. What happened?
Put it like that, Fred at USC. I mean, doesn't
Notre Dame have anything to do with it too? I'm
not saying they don't. I'm just wondering what happened?
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Ryan, Okay, you know it's this has been building for
a while, and I think it really comes down to,
you know, the initial disagreement was that USC, you know,
knowing that it is in the Big ten, it has
you know, you know, demands would travel that it didn't
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have before. And I think it would be fair to
say they underestimated maybe how much that would affect the
football team in particular, But it has and I think
they've really taken a stance then that they don't want
to play the Notre Dame game late in the season
with this knowledge. Now Notre Dame doesn't want to change
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anything about the way the game is played. Now. Some
people view that as being inflexible and that would be
Notre Dame's fault. Other people say, why would USC try
to change something that has been going this way for
you know, almost one hundred years. And I think, you know,
it's a matter of perspective depending on where you stand,
how who you feel is that fault there. But ultimately
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what happened coming down these last couple weeks is that
heading into the CFT selection show, USC was actually you know,
ready to compromise, had basically suggested to Notre Dame that
they were going to have an agreement to play things
as is for these next two years.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Now.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Then the selection show happens, and then we find out,
the public finds out at least that Notre Dame had
an agreement with the Conference Commissioners and the CFC Selection
Committee basically to ensure that if it was ranked in
the top twelve, that it would you know, kick out
whatever team might have gotten in otherwise because of the
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conference championship spots, and Notre Dame would immediately saw it
into one of those spots that didn't sit very well
with a lot of people, and USC being one of them. Now,
USC has indicated to me that they were not aware
of that arrangement. Now, I know there's been some disputes
about that since then, but I think what we can
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say is that that part of the memorandum of understanding
that was agreed to upon with all of the comments
commissioners with Notre Dame, with the CFP, that part didn't
get a lot of pub at the time that Notre
Dame had sort of negotiated this deal for itself. Now,
I think USC looks at that and says, why would
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we take the risk of playing you late in the
season when you're not taking that same risk and if anything,
we're just helping you ultimately with your strength of schedule.
Why won't you just play that game in week zero?
Now that is where that was their final offer. That
happened last week, and Notre Dame called this week and declined. So,
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you know, I think USC has made it cleared this
whole time that they do want to play the game
and I think a lot of people get that wrong
about where US stands in this. I just think that
USC doesn't want to capitulate to Notre Dame, who hasn't
been very flexible in this either, and it's not really
getting the same blame when it comes to this game
falling apart. So that's kind of basically where we stand.
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A lot of people are mad, That's kind of where
we're at.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, yeah, I'm I guess I'm more disappointed than I
am mad, because I did. I grew up on that game,
obviously played in it. It just has a lot of history,
a lot of friends on both sides of that game.
But it's interesting that that you said that, you know,
because I didn't know this either. The Notre Dame had
worked out this deal of if they're ranked in the
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top twelve, then they would be in the college football playoffs,
which in itself, I see why everybody's pissed off. Because
they're not associated with any conference, they can make their
own schedule. Do you think this happens because people have
suggested Notre Dame eventually move into the Big Ten, But
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if Notre Dame is in the Big Ten or even
in the ACC, like the other other UH sports that
there are, for for exide from football, if they move
into the Big Ten or ACC and they're in a conference,
does that make a difference.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
You think, Well, if they were in a conference, they
would definitely only be able to play USC in the
beginning of the season pretty much. So I think that
would that would almost just solve the problem in itself.
But yeah, and I think that, you know, I don't
think Notre Dame is going to fight on that no matter,
at least right now, no matter the pressure that other
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schools may be applying. Now that said, I know this
isn't iron clad, but you know there are murmurs out
there that other schools are upset about this and maybe
considering taking a similar stand to USC. Now we haven't
seen that happen yet, maybe it never does.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
But you mean like like Michigan, like Michigan, or or
because they play Michigan basically every year where I don't
know if they do still, but they used to, but.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
They don't anymore because Notre Dame, you know, I would
argue against other people would argue different that Notre Dame
kind of responded that series there are similar reasons. But
but yeah, it's I think people are getting fet up
with Notre Dame kind of having its cake and eating
it too when it comes to a conference and all
the power that it's been afforded over the years, which
(29:20):
I don't think anyone can deny that it has, you know,
gotten an outsized amount of powers in terms of a
single university when it comes to determining the process. I mean,
no other school has its own seat at the table
in the CSP committee conversation, and we've let that happen
as a collective college football landscape. So we are kind
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of at this point where I think some people would
like to undo that exceptionalism when it comes to Notre Dame,
but I'm not sure Notre Dame it's going to go
down without a fight. So Notre Dame clearly dug its
heels in here too. So I think both schools are
kind of we're kind of scaring at each other and
got to theoint where it's like, you know, I think
we're just not doing this right.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Let me ask you this, and it's a very different
world than it was twenty years ago. You think Notre
Dame has an inflated view of itself.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Is that a rhetorical question.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Thank you, thank you, good good, because I mean, this
is ridiculous, it really is, and you know they think
they're holding the world hostage. I gotta be honest with you.
I didn't go to Notre Dame. Although, to be honest
with you, I know somebody who did, actually a rabbi
I think is the only rabbi to ever graduate from
Notre Dame. But I know that guy. But you know what,
(30:39):
I don't think Notre Dame controls the world anymore. What
if there was no Notre Dame in college football, would
everybody'd be just fine? You see what I'm saying. Maybe
somebody needs to push back against these guys.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Well, I think USC would argue that's what they're doing here.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
And you know that's not to say it's not a shame.
I mean, I think the reality is that this and
I don't think people want to blame USC or Notre
Dame in this situation right now. And really the reason
why this isn't happening is because college football has been
moving in this direction for years now. USC made the
decision whether you don't like it or you do like
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it or understand it that they would rather sacrifice some
of the history of this to have put itself in
a better position or to have a situation that makes
sense to it in terms of making the college football PLAYFF. Now,
you can look at that and be like, they're running
away scared from competition, But they would then look at
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Notre Dame schedule and say, you don't say they're running
away scared, and they have a much worse schedule than
we do. So again, it's all just a matter of perspective,
and I think everyone's just kind of upset about where
college football is going. And I think it is a
shame that these rivalries don't get played. But when you
set up the system to make it more advantageous to
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teams that don't play these games, then what do you expect.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, and you're right, You're right, though, you know Notre
Dame if this deal is correct what you're saying and
what people have reported, that they get automatic bid if
they're in the top twelve. It only benefits them to
play USC, especially if it's a game back in Notre
Dame and they're playing them late in the year to
help them with their strength to schedule, or even you know,
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even at the coliseum at the last game of the year.
But correct me if I'm wrong. Years ago, there was
an advantage to Notre Dame because that game was always
at the end of the year, whether it was in
la or in South Bend, and it was a distinct
advantage for Notre Dame playing USC at the end of
November as opposed to you know, mid October or late
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October like it is now. And they move that game
because of those reasons, and it just it just feels
like Fritz said, Notre Dame wants their cake and eat
and eat it too.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Yeah, And it's uh yeah, I just think that we're
kind of reed the rubbers, I mean the road here
when it comes to that. Now again, I don't know
if the collective college football powers will have the courage
to to kind of say that this is this is
it with how we treat Notre Dame. I was bet
against that, just given the history that we've seen of
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them kind of controlling so much of that landscape. But
we'll see. I mean, USC, I will give them credit
for this because I think you know, USC's athletic director
Jennifer Cohen knew that she was going to take heat
for this. I mean, the US was kind of screwed
since Lincoln Riley spoke up at Big ten Media Day
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and twenty twenty four when he sort of made clear
that he thought, you know, it was worth canceling the
rivalry if that man a better pass to the playoffs
and pr wise, Notre Dame has just signed itself in
a much more as intigious position since then. So I
think Jennifer Gohan knew that this was kind of a
grenade that they had to jump on, and I think,
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you know, to her credit, she has stuck to her
guns on in terms of standing up the Notre Dame
on this. So I think a lot of people aren't happy.
I mean, Keishawn Johnson had a you know, very colorful
video that he posted about Lincoln Riley and Jennifer Cohen yesterday,
so and you know, think hear of that for sure.
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So I think they were ready to sort of take
that dr hit, and I think they hope to fill
that spot with, you know, potentially some sort of team
that has at least some ties to the old Pac
twelve that you know, if they're not going to play
Notre Dame until nine or you know, twenty thirty and beyond,
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maybe they can play Stanford or cal or Arizona State
or you know, a team like that.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
That's the problem, right, is that USC, now that they're
in the Big Ten, plays a tougher schedule, and then
Notre Dame when you look at their schedule, they've still
got Stanford, they play every year they get I think
they play Navy, they got half their schedule. Ore teams
that will never make the playoffs are not even going
to challenge them.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Well, and they're with their current deal this last year,
if that would have been in place, they would have
made the playoffs over Miami, in spite of the fact
that Notre Dame lost to Miami earlier in the year.
Right now, that is a scenario that, however unlikely, it
would happen to USC. They just thought, well, there's a
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world in which we lose or we beach. At the
end of the season, you're still ranked ahead of us.
So now, whether the committee wouldever let that happen, we
don't know. But the fact that it's even a consideration
just shows you how stupid it was for the con
Conference commissioners to agree to this with Notre Dame. They
ultimately were the only is that held the cards in
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terms of forcing Notre Dame into a conference or having
to rethink its situation, and they didn't do anything about it.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Gutless, gutless act by the conference Commissionersless. Yes, I like that,
Ryan Gutless.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
All right, man, Thanks for coming on. Have a terrific holiday.
We really appreciate it when you're on the show.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Of course, you guys see have you all?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It is Rodney. Big news, big news concerning Dellan Hernandez
of the Times. Our buddy, something very big has happened.
Let's talk about it. One o'clock.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
We'll do it.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Today's afternoon Delight is paper Low by the Baby and
this time of year a lot of folks.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Paper is Low, song of.
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One of two tracks that the Cleveland native dropped over
the weekend as he gets set to release his fifth
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focus on mentorship, family and personal responsibility, as well as
his charitable initiative focused on raising mental health awareness, breaking
the stigma, and providing resources for both youth and adults
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facing mental health challenges. Again, Today's afternoon Delight is paper
low by the baby.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
All right, now.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
From the court to the court room with Jacob em Roani.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Okay, now our weekly chat with America's attorney Jacob em
Ronni Jacob.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Howard, Happy Tuesday. How are you guys?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
We're doing well, Jacob. You'un for the holidays? Are you excited?
What do you have planned?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
You know, I'm always excited. It's a good time. You know,
this is a time when we get a chance to
spend some time with our staff and you know, really
wind up the year. As you know, our work never stops.
It's every day. Accidents don't take vacation or they don't
take off the holidays. So I'm appreciative of, you know,
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of all the people that have trusted us for the
past twenty eight years, and especially for the ones that
have trusted you know, trusted us in the past year.
But love this time of the year. You know, get
a chance to really spend some quality time with people
and see how blessed we are. And yeah, love it,
love it. And we got rain outside, so it's really
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shown us that time of the year.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, we're going to talk about that in a second,
but just just from a family standpoint though, Jacob, what
would you guys, you guys do of the holidays. I
know you spend time. You just talked about the office
and being close, because you got a very close office.
But family wise, what do you guys do do you
guys kind of shut it down? And I know the
kids are still active during this time of year as well.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah, so kids are out of school, They're getting a
chance to enjoy a couple of days of just you know,
sleeping in a little bit. You know, boys got basketball,
So we got a basketball tournament coming up, you know,
right after Christmas. So we do that and then after
that shut it down. Try to see if I can
get a couple of days of snow in and kind
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of gear up, you know, gear up and be back
here ready to grind again. But yeah, this is all
about family time and spending time with the parents and
you know, the in laws and the kids and really
you know, really having quality. You know, I think this
time of the year, you we all have to count
our blessings. You know, I'm sure everybody's got their ups
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and downs throughout the year. But the way I look
at it as somebody else probably has it worse than you.
And you've got to always be blessed for what you've got.
So I try to remind myself my work, family, my
home family and everything that we always got to say
thank God.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
All right, Jacob, you're with a family, you spend time
with the folks at the office. But the office is
always open during the holidays. Eight hundred three four five, six, seven,
eight nine. Eight hundred and three four five six, seven
eight nine. There are people working right during the holidays.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
I'll start with that, right, Oh, absolutely, absolutely, we're here,
we're working. Uh. You know, we have a team that's gonna,
you know, going to be available and working even on
Christmas Day. You know, we you know, we the people
who show up at that time volunteer. It's not a
(40:54):
mandatory aspect, but we have a team that actually volunteers
for that time and we give them an opportunity, you know,
to do that. As you know, we're here until late
at night, even through the holidays, and just try to
be available. Fred, you know, you've got to be available
for people, you know, I always you know, compare this
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to when I have, you know, a kid that's sick
or something like that, and I'm trying to call their
doctor and I'm trying to talk to somebody, and everybody
deserves the time to be off and deserves the time
to not be on. But it would be great if
I could reach you know, if I could reach my
doctor all the time. So I try to have people
be able to reach their attorney all the time.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
That being said, as we head into the holidays, here rain.
It's going to rain tonight, tomorrow, I believe, Christmas Day,
and maybe the day after. And that's sadly when you
guys are the busiest.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Right, yeah, you know, I mean we get of course,
we're busy when it rains, and then we get hit
even harder when the rain slows down. But I think
the more and more people they get educated about their
rights and how important it is not to wait. They
tend to call right after the accident. We get people
call us from the scene of the accident. And you know,
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rain is something that unfortunately causes a lot of accidents,
and you know a lot of people don't realize that
they need to keep you know, their windshield wipers, make
sure that they work. The tires get bald, you hit
the brakes, you start the hydroplane. You know, people are
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still on their cell phones as they're driving, so not
paying attention. And the biggest thing about the holidays and
rain combined, I mean, you know, there's still people trying
to get into finish their Christmas shopping and holiday shopping.
People are in a hurry, so you know, not necessarily
paying attention. So yeah, rain, holidays, but it all goes together. Unfortunately,
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its spells disaster at points and accidents and in the rain,
the accidents can be a lot more serious. So I
do hope all of our listeners are family members and
everybody stay safe during this time. But if you are
unfortunate to have an accident and you need to chat,
we are here for you, and we're here to support
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and hold your hand through it.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
All right, Happy holidays to you to your family, Thank
you for being our friend, Thank you for being one
of our partners on the program, and we will talk
to you next year.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Thank you. Havy holidays to both of you and your
beautiful families, and wishing you, you know, amazing quality time
and an incredible holiday time.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Thanks Jacob. All right, when we come back, our friend
Dylan Hernandez of The Times joins this major announcement that
will change the way we consume our sports coverage in
Los Angeles, and that is next.
Okay, here we go, Fred Rogan, Rodney Pete on a
five to seventy LA Sports. This is our final show
of the year. This is it, And Kevin, I know,
we put a lot of thought into what we like
to call our end of the year Christmas Extravaganza program.
So what do we have scheduled for today?
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Well, outside of great a great sports talk show like
we put on on a every single day basis, Fred,
nothing really special unless you want me to, like, you know,
put some bells on or something and ring them at
you guys talk or something like that.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I can do that.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Okay, yeah, Fred, what kind of setup was that?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Well, no, I'm just wondering. It's our big end of
the year Christmas show. It is.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
That's news to me, our big end of the year
Christmas extravaganzel. Has that discussed? Rodney's I missed the memo
on that.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I missed it too. I missed it too. This is
the last show of the year, that's all that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, that's kind of way I look at. I do
want to ask you this before we get started today.
Oliver's Christmas. What do we have planned for baby?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Well, gonna spend time with my family, as well as
my wife's family has a ton of gifts that probably
more than he than is necessary for a nineteen month old.
But he's gonna have a good time, and he already
has had some. My in laws are in town, my
nieces are in town. He loves chasing them around. So
it's been a fun Christmas season for him so far.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Now he's an old vet. Now he's good. This is
second Christmas, so he's good.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
You good to go. You didn't get him a bike,
did your? Or like a little car?
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Fred nineteen months?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
I'm just asking. There's a reason I'm asking for a
bike or like, No, he does not have a bike
for it one of those little cars, you know, like
it's a battery operated little car.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
No, not in nineteen months?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Okay, Well here's why. Because if you look outside, you
know the rain is coming. It's gonna rain tomorrow, it's
gonna rain on Christmas Day and I think the day after.
And that's really gonna be sad for all the little
kids to get bikes and little cars and things. They
won't be able to go outside and ride them. And
I think that's sad. They'll try, don't you don't come
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out eventually, Fred. Yeah, but they want to go out
and ride their bike right now or their little car.
They don't want to wait, they want to go outside.
I think it's sad. I think it's sad. It's going
to be raining so little kids can't go outside.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Well, you know what, the kids can get their bikes
and the little cars and they can drive them and
ride them inside of Fred's house. How about that?
Speaker 3 (02:23):
And let me ask you something. Kids that don't live
in California, especially as southern California, they live in say Minnesota, Wisconsin,
New York, Buffalo, wherever they live back east, and they
got to deal with the snow and the cold and all.
They get bikes too, don't they, or they just don't.
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If you live past the Mississippi River, you don't get bikes. No,
they don't. So what do they do? They don't they
go out.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
I'm glad you brought that up, because if you look
national statistics, kids in those cities are just normally depressed.
They're depressed that they are in the snow and they
can't ride their bikes. That is a known that is
that's a non statistic Rodney, and that's why we don't
have that here. Everybody's so happy in California because we
don't deal with that depression of the snow unless you
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choose to go to with your kids.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Kids don't go outside on the East coast, east of
the Mississippi, they don't go outside.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Well, listen, I was born in Detroit, right, yeah, okay,
so that would count kind of east. Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Okay, yes? In the winter, cold and cold in the winter.
My parents want me to go out three times, I
just stay in the house.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Oh yeah, well you're an interesting kid, Fred, That's why
I had to deal with you differently. But yeah, I
played five years and Detroit, played four years in Philadelphia
where it's cold as well. And on Christmas Day the
next day, they were always kids outside doing their thing,
whether it's whether it's a bike. If it didn't snow
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like crazy, they were out there riding their new bikes,
had a toboggan, you know, we're playing. They were playing
with whatever they played with, and yet the weather didn't
bother them. So what's the little rain here in southern California?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Fred? Okay, I'm just saying you're gonna have to eventually
learn how to drive in the rain. So why not
learn how to bike in the rain. Okay, the little kid.
But here's what you have to understand, and then we
begin the show. You know my role in life. I'm
here for the kids, and I'm here for older people,
and I'm here for animals and anything that affects any
one of those three groups, I speak out. That's why
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I'm here. I'm here for the people, so I can
make that statement for the people because I'm concerned. I'm
not saying I'm gonna lose sleep. I mean, let's not
lose our mind.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
But still forbid, Fred jeez, I mean, God forbid a
kid grows up in Seattle where the rainfall. It rains
two hundred days out of the year. Fred, God forbid
a kid grows up in Seattle. What is he gonna do?
He's depressed. I have one word for him, true therapy.
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I'm just saying, here we go.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
As we wrap up this year, you know the overriding
story for us, and it should have been with the Dodgers.
A lot of talk during the regular season last year
about how much money the Dodgers spent and you know,
nobody can catch them the deferred payments. Well, as we
say goodbye, to this year and prepare for next which
will be spring training soonter than you know. The Dodgers
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had the highest luxury tax bill in MLB history. It
was one hundred and sixty nine million dollars. Now, out
of the Dodgers, that's like one hundred and sixty nine
dollars to be quite honest with you. But it was
one hundred and sixty nine million dollars. And what does
that mean? Ultimately, Roddie, that was higher than the payrolls
of twelve other teams. Their luxury tax bill was higher
(05:48):
than the payrolls of twelve other teams. Whose fault is
that the Dodgers are the other teams?
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I say, the other teams, I say, the other teams?
Where we should be? And at least I think we
are in a competitive world and competitive business and sports
are the ultimate competition, and so if you're going to
be competitive, then you had to keep up. And so, yeah,
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the fact that the Dodgers spend one hundred and sixty
nine million dollars in luxury tax and that is more
than twelve other teams spent on their payroll, that's embarrassing.
That's embarrassing to me. You don't today. It's not nineteen
sixty eight. Fred, You don't. You should not own a team.
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You should not own a team unless you're ready to
come play, play with the big boys. So this whole
I'm just getting by, we're just breaking even. Get out
of the business. Go get to a business where you're
not breaking even then, or you don't quote say you're
breaking even. Get out of that business. Go do something else.
Leave it to the big boys. Because this is ridiculous
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that people blame the Dodgers because they want to be
successful and they spend money to do that, and other
people may complain about it. Don't be in that business.
That business may not be for you. So I have
no complaints about the Dodgers, and it is on everybody else.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I agree. I agree to a degree here. First of all,
stop complaining. You're a billionaire. Stop complaining. How about we
try it with that. You're in the game, and now
you're complaining that you don't have enough money to be
in the game. Stop stop bitching. It doesn't work for me.
If you're in, your in. If you're out, you're out.
We've made this point many times. If you can't afford it,
sell it, go go you won't because your ego. You
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won't because you do like the money you make. You
won't because you like the power it brings. But sell
it and go now now to be fair. To be fair,
some markets generate more revenue than others. Certainly Los Angeles
in the Dodge generates the most because of the way
the Dodgers do business. They're cable TV deal extraordinary. When
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they signed Otani, even though they had many advertising partners
and sponsors, Otani opened up the Pacific rim Japan. I
mean they make money. Everybody that advertises, everybody that's a sponsor.
Look around the stadium. How many sponsors do you see
on the dasher boards in the outfield? How many everybody's
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paying to be a part of this. They want to
be associated with the Dodgers. So the Dodgers have a
very good business model. And because they do spend, they
make money. What's the old saying, it takes money to
make money. A lot of these owners think the less
I spend, the more I make, so then I won't spend.
But to make real money, you have to spend money.
The Dodgers have that ability because of Gougenheim. There are
markets that do not have that ability. They don't have
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the population, they don't have the revenue. When we were
in Cincinnati for Jack's Masters graduation, we went out to dinner.
People were at what it cost amazed. I said, oh
my god, we should move here permanently. This is great.
It doesn't cost what it does in LA. That's true. Yes,
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that means you can't make as much money in Cincinnati
as you can in LA.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Or you can save more money in Cincinnati than you
can in LA.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Fair.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
That's fair. But the market's not going to generate the
kind of revenue. So they do to a degree, have
a point. I get that, but that that's on you.
Not about the amount of money you spend. It's how
you spend your money that's on you. You need to
figure out a farm system. You need to figure out
a front office. You need to figure out a system
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that resupplies, that continues the pipeline of players to the
majors so you are competitive every year. You have to
draft better, you have to scout better. That's on you.
That's on you. No, I gotta be honest. Roll of
ninety seven million dollars is not going to beat the Dodgers.
It's not going to happen. I mean, you might get
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lucky once out of one hundred times, but in games
that matter, you're never going to beat a team like that.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
No, no, And I keep going back to, is no
longer are the days Fred of the local car dealer
owns the team, or the you know, the local businessman
that got his buddies together that started their construction firm
owns the team. Goga Nheim. There's no roots in LA
(10:32):
for them. They didn't grow up in LA and say,
oh god, we've been from the time I was too
I wanted to own the Dodgers. Mark Walter is the
Chicago based There's a lot of work in Chicago, a
lot of great work in that city as a matter
of fact, but they're not based in LA. And so
when you're talking about billions now with these teams, sure
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markets are different, but I'm sure your businesses, most of
the guy's businesses are not centrally located in that particular market, true,
in that particular city. So don't give me this, Oh
this market is this, and this market is not as
well as the Dodgers. And yeah, I lose money on
I don't make as much Dodger and TV money but
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make it somewhere else.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
Get a better marketing department.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Maybe figure out a formula that fills the stands instead
of having twelve thousand people there. Maybe if you lower
the prices a little bit and fill and have sellouts,
maybe that helps your bottom line. Maybe do something with
your marketing and your concessions. I don't know, but don't complain.
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Don't complain in the global world that we live in,
that you're stuck in this market and you can't make
the money.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well, now let's look at the angels. Bill Shakin wrote
a peace in the Times, everybody freaked. If you read
the whole thing, if you're read to the end, and
I guess most people didn't read to the end, But
if you're read to the end, you realize what he
was trying to say. The Japanese third baseman that signed
oh my God with a White Sox, the slugging third
baseman coming out of Japan. He was posted. I think
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he signed a two year deal for thirty four million
dollars seventeen millionaire. This was a guy that everybody was
interested in. Not the Dodgers, but the majority of the
teams were. He struck out a lot, but he's a
power hitter and there's excitements surrounding him, and apparently the
Angels were interested Perry Vanasi and said, yeah, we want
to take a run at this guy. He went to
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Artie Moreno and said this is what had cost and
Artie Moreno said, no, no, no, the Angels operate like
a small market team. Now they are in a much
bigger market than that, but they operate like a small
market team, and you can't compete in the marketplace with
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the Dodgers doing that. The worst thing Arty Moreno did
is called them the Los Angeles Angels Anaheim because he thought, well,
if we put Los Angeles in the name, then we'll
be able to attract sponsors. An ambit ack like though,
you got to act like it, and there it is,
and there it is. You got to act like it.
He doesn't act like it. I mean, it's it's a sham.
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And they're not projected to be very good this year.
That being said, Bill Shakin wrote a piece. We talked
about it last week. Jim Bowden, former major league general manager,
he came out and said, look, if you're sick and
tired of the Dodgers winning and your team not spending money.
How about you divorce your team. How about you divorce
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your team. You can go back and Marryham later, just
become a Dodger fan. Now, if you're sick of the
Dodgers winning and your team stinks, well, then give up
on your team and go be a Dodger fan. And
then then you can go back to your team. You
can get remarried, you have a separation period. Then you
don't have to agonize over your team not spending any money.
And Bill Shakan suggested in the time at the end
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of it it was different, but as you read it,
the suggestion was, if you're an Angel fan and you're
sick of it, and by the way, I'd be sick
of it. I would be sick of that. If you're
an Angel fan and you're sick of it, just root
for the Dodgers. Just do that. Yeah, and then if
the Angels are good again, go back and remarry him,
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remarry him, rekindle that romance. But for the meantime, run
off with the Dodgers and root for them, and don't
complain about how bad it is for you. Now, he
did say at the end of the piece. But then again,
if someone is in your heart. If the Angels are
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your heart, then you can never leave them and you'll
stick with them. That's fine, you can stick with them.
But don't complain. If you're a Pits, if you're a
Pittsburgh fan and you're sick of it, don't complain. Do
not complain. You know you're gonna get your brains beat in. Okay,
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and you like that. That's fun for you. I'm in
a root for the angel. You should, but don't complain.
You can't complain. That's what he's saying here. No more complaining.
They stink. Don't complain. They don't spend money. Don't complain.
They don't have the infrastructure to win every day. Don't complain.
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Do not complain. You have no complaint. You're with them
or you're against them, and you got no bitch. And
if you're gonna complain, we'll just leave them.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Let me ask you this, Fred, Yes, because there's such
a big discrepancy in baseball, and baseball is always you know,
they've got the best players union of all sports. They've
done things their own way for years, and they have
had a tremendous renaissance and resurgence over the last few
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years and the popularity. There was a time where baseball
was losing its audience and losing especially young people that
were not paying attention they were using, losing players, especially
from the States, and now the popularity is as great
as it's ever been. Do you think that baseball would
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ever go to the NFL type of model where it's
a full profit sharing collective group that if you're in
Green Bay you can compete with LA, if you're in
Cincinnati you can compete with New York. Do you think
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baseball ever goes to that? Given the light of where
TV is now, Streaming is now all the all these
outlets are now and I know the regional networks have
a lot to do with this, but do you think
that they would ever go to that model to make it,
to try to help it be more of what some
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people would call a level playing field.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I don't think the players union would ever go for that.
I don't think they would ever go for that. Why,
the players make too much money. This would only benefit
the owners. For the players would be a step backwards.
The NFL players get screwed pretty simple, Yes, they get screwed.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
It's gotten better, obviously, it's gotten a lot better. But yeah,
for the most part, Yes, yeah, they get screwed. It
makes no sense.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
These guys play seventeen games a year in the most
physically demanding sport of all and they make the least
amount of money. Yeah, it's insane. There's no way the
players union would go for that. That train has left
the station. It's not gonna happen. What they need to
do to calm this down? First, again, don't complain. If
your team's bad, don't complain. If you complain, then you
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should divorce your team and go with a winning team.
Go step out on your team, right, Unless there's so
embedded in your heart you can't give it up, then
stop complaining.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Just if there be a percentage that the Dodgers and
Yankees and Cubs and Braves share match in their red
sox with their regional sports networks with everybody else, two
things about that.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
First, there might be a percentage of that. Now, by
the way, there might be. But moreover all, the rsns
are going to die. You know, Bally's is about to
go under again. Yes, that's gonna be it when Balle's
goes under, or yeah, no, it's FanDuel. Now it's FanDuel
Vandal's about to go under if they don't have a
deal in place with the Zone. By middle of January,
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they're done and the leagues are going to start the
production of all these games. I think ESPN is going
to handle it for him. But they're done. What does
that mean in the big picture, That means any rights
fees they were to be paid will not be paid.
They're done. The RSN model, the regional sports network model
is dead. The only place it still works is here
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because the Dodgers are part owners of Spectrum, right right.
Yankees on their own yes, yeah, I think rets meaning
yes network, yeah right. Mets are very big into Sports
Channel or yeah, and Atlanta Atlanta Cobs yep. They on
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their own. They on their own. And the plan ultimately
to try to make things either.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
A Netflix or a Peacock or one of those that
comes in say want to take over that, We're gonna
make it all. We're gonna throw a bunch of money
at you so every team can benefit. That's the plan
from that. The plan is ultimately, and it's going to
be an issue with like Dodgers, they're on their own
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regional network. But for everybody else here's the model. Major
League Baseball produces the games, so it's not fan duel
or NBC Sports Network. Ultimately, Major League Baseball produces all games,
and you subscribe to the MLB APP or their streaming
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service for however month much a month you pay, you
get every game.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
That's how it works. Cable will be gone. Ultimately, that's
the plan. You will get every game on the MLB
APP and there will be no blackouts. So let's say
it costs you two hundred bucks a year. Well, how
many people are willing to pay two hundred bucks a
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year across America to get that? Okay, multiply that number
by two hundred bucks a month. Whatever that revenue is.
However much money they make from that, everybody shares it equally.
That's what they want to do. And in doing that,
you're taking money out of the Dodgers' pocket because they
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make so much from their their own regional network, the Cobs,
the Yankees. You'll take money out of their pocket. But
then everybody will be equal, and no one can no
one unless you're the Dodgers and don't care. Can just
spend a ton of money? No they can't.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
But the Dodgers certainly also on other avenues of revenue.
Make more money on marketing. And you see the signage
out there, A sign and center field for the Dodgers
is going to cost triple what it costs in Cincinnati,
or quadruple or even ten times what it costs in Cincinnati.
So they still gonna make more even if the regional
networks or Major League Baseball takes over these games and
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shares it equally.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, So anyway, don't jump ship, don't complain, don't complain.
If you complain, you have to jump.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Jump Yeah, jump ship before you complain.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
That's it. That's how we're going to do this. Okay,
we got to get more to what happened with the
USC Notre Dame yesterday, Ryan KARTI will be joined of
the program. Dylan Hernandez to the Times, Rodney. I don't
know if you've heard about this. There is enormous news
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about Dylan Hernandez and our friend Jack Harris. We'll talk
with him at one o'clock. Then during the two o'clock hour,
Vinnie bon Signor joins the show. Oh yes, Christmas and
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Hollis love it.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
Ronnie run DMC Yes, Happy holidays everyone, Rodney, Pete fred
Rogan on a wind.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Day before Christmas? Right, all.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, this is always good, always good.
Speaker 5 (23:17):
All right, Rodney.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
We talked about this at the top of the show
yesterday because that's when we found out about it. We
have a moratorium on the series between USC and Notre Dame.
So what happened? Why did it get to this point
to find out? We welcome on Ryan Krtchy of a
La Times and Ryan, thanks for being here of course
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any time. All right, what in God's name happened over
there at the USC. Let's just get into it. What happened?
Put it like that, Fred at USC. I mean, doesn't
Notre Dame have anything to do with it too? I'm
not saying they don't. I'm just wondering what happened?
Speaker 6 (23:53):
Ryan, Okay, you know it's this has been building for
a while, and I think it really comes down to,
you know, the initial disagreement was that USC, you know,
knowing that it is in the Big ten, it has
you know, you know, demands would travel that it didn't
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have before. And I think it would be fair to
say they underestimated maybe how much that would affect the
football team in particular, But it has and I think
they've really taken a stance then that they don't want
to play the Notre Dame game late in the season
with this knowledge. Now Notre Dame doesn't want to change
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anything about the way the game is played. Now. Some
people view that as being inflexible and that would be
Notre Dame's fault. Other people say, why would USC try
to change something that has been going this way for
you know, almost one hundred years. And I think, you know,
it's a matter of perspective depending on where you stand,
how who you feel is that fault there. But ultimately
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what happened coming down these last couple weeks is that
heading into the CFT selection show, USC was actually you know,
ready to compromise, had basically suggested to Notre Dame that
they were going to have an agreement to play things
as is for these next two years.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Now.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Then the selection show happens, and then we find out,
the public finds out at least that Notre Dame had
an agreement with the Conference Commissioners and the CFC Selection
Committee basically to ensure that if it was ranked in
the top twelve, that it would you know, kick out
whatever team might have gotten in otherwise because of the
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conference championship spots, and Notre Dame would immediately saw it
into one of those spots that didn't sit very well
with a lot of people, and USC being one of them. Now,
USC has indicated to me that they were not aware
of that arrangement. Now, I know there's been some disputes
about that since then, but I think what we can
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say is that that part of the memorandum of understanding
that was agreed to upon with all of the comments
commissioners with Notre Dame, with the CFP, that part didn't
get a lot of pub at the time that Notre
Dame had sort of negotiated this deal for itself. Now,
I think USC looks at that and says, why would
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we take the risk of playing you late in the
season when you're not taking that same risk and if anything,
we're just helping you ultimately with your strength of schedule.
Why won't you just play that game in week zero?
Now that is where that was their final offer. That
happened last week, and Notre Dame called this week and declined. So,
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you know, I think USC has made it cleared this
whole time that they do want to play the game
and I think a lot of people get that wrong
about where US stands in this. I just think that
USC doesn't want to capitulate to Notre Dame, who hasn't
been very flexible in this either, and it's not really
getting the same blame when it comes to this game
falling apart. So that's kind of basically where we stand.
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A lot of people are mad, That's kind of where
we're at.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, yeah, I'm I guess I'm more disappointed than I
am mad, because I did. I grew up on that game,
obviously played in it. It just has a lot of history,
a lot of friends on both sides of that game.
But it's interesting that that you said that, you know,
because I didn't know this either. The Notre Dame had
worked out this deal of if they're ranked in the
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top twelve, then they would be in the college football playoffs,
which in itself, I see why everybody's pissed off. Because
they're not associated with any conference, they can make their
own schedule. Do you think this happens because people have
suggested Notre Dame eventually move into the Big Ten, But
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if Notre Dame is in the Big Ten or even
in the ACC, like the other other UH sports that
there are, for for exide from football, if they move
into the Big Ten or ACC and they're in a conference,
does that make a difference.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
You think, Well, if they were in a conference, they
would definitely only be able to play USC in the
beginning of the season pretty much. So I think that
would that would almost just solve the problem in itself.
But yeah, and I think that, you know, I don't
think Notre Dame is going to fight on that no matter,
at least right now, no matter the pressure that other
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schools may be applying. Now that said, I know this
isn't iron clad, but you know there are murmurs out
there that other schools are upset about this and maybe
considering taking a similar stand to USC. Now we haven't
seen that happen yet, maybe it never does.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
But you mean like like Michigan, like Michigan, or or
because they play Michigan basically every year where I don't
know if they do still, but they used to, but.
Speaker 6 (28:58):
They don't anymore because Notre Dame, you know, I would
argue against other people would argue different that Notre Dame
kind of responded that series there are similar reasons. But
but yeah, it's I think people are getting fet up
with Notre Dame kind of having its cake and eating
it too when it comes to a conference and all
the power that it's been afforded over the years, which
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I don't think anyone can deny that it has, you know,
gotten an outsized amount of powers in terms of a
single university when it comes to determining the process. I mean,
no other school has its own seat at the table
in the CSP committee conversation, and we've let that happen
as a collective college football landscape. So we are kind
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of at this point where I think some people would
like to undo that exceptionalism when it comes to Notre Dame,
but I'm not sure Notre Dame it's going to go
down without a fight. So Notre Dame clearly dug its
heels in here too. So I think both schools are
kind of we're kind of scaring at each other and
got to theoint where it's like, you know, I think
we're just not doing this right.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Let me ask you this, and it's a very different
world than it was twenty years ago. You think Notre
Dame has an inflated view of itself.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Is that a rhetorical question.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
Thank you, thank you, good good, because I mean, this
is ridiculous, it really is, and you know they think
they're holding the world hostage. I gotta be honest with you.
I didn't go to Notre Dame. Although, to be honest
with you, I know somebody who did, actually a rabbi
I think is the only rabbi to ever graduate from
Notre Dame. But I know that guy. But you know what,
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I don't think Notre Dame controls the world anymore. What
if there was no Notre Dame in college football, would
everybody'd be just fine? You see what I'm saying. Maybe
somebody needs to push back against these guys.
Speaker 6 (30:51):
Well, I think USC would argue that's what they're doing here.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
And you know that's not to say it's not a shame.
I mean, I think the reality is that this and
I don't think people want to blame USC or Notre
Dame in this situation right now. And really the reason
why this isn't happening is because college football has been
moving in this direction for years now. USC made the
decision whether you don't like it or you do like
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it or understand it that they would rather sacrifice some
of the history of this to have put itself in
a better position or to have a situation that makes
sense to it in terms of making the college football PLAYFF. Now,
you can look at that and be like, they're running
away scared from competition, But they would then look at
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Notre Dame schedule and say, you don't say they're running
away scared, and they have a much worse schedule than
we do. So again, it's all just a matter of perspective,
and I think everyone's just kind of upset about where
college football is going. And I think it is a
shame that these rivalries don't get played. But when you
set up the system to make it more advantageous to
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teams that don't play these games, then what do you expect.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, and you're right, You're right, though, you know Notre
Dame if this deal is correct what you're saying and
what people have reported, that they get automatic bid if
they're in the top twelve. It only benefits them to
play USC, especially if it's a game back in Notre
Dame and they're playing them late in the year to
help them with their strength to schedule, or even you know,
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even at the coliseum at the last game of the year.
But correct me if I'm wrong. Years ago, there was
an advantage to Notre Dame because that game was always
at the end of the year, whether it was in
la or in South Bend, and it was a distinct
advantage for Notre Dame playing USC at the end of
November as opposed to you know, mid October or late
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October like it is now. And they move that game
because of those reasons, and it just it just feels
like Fritz said, Notre Dame wants their cake and eat
and eat it too.
Speaker 6 (33:05):
Yeah, And it's uh yeah, I just think that we're
kind of reed the rubbers, I mean the road here
when it comes to that. Now again, I don't know
if the collective college football powers will have the courage
to to kind of say that this is this is
it with how we treat Notre Dame. I was bet
against that, just given the history that we've seen of
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them kind of controlling so much of that landscape. But
we'll see. I mean, USC, I will give them credit
for this because I think you know, USC's athletic director
Jennifer Cohen knew that she was going to take heat
for this. I mean, the US was kind of screwed
since Lincoln Riley spoke up at Big ten Media Day
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and twenty twenty four when he sort of made clear
that he thought, you know, it was worth canceling the
rivalry if that man a better pass to the playoffs
and pr wise, Notre Dame has just signed itself in
a much more as intigious position since then. So I
think Jennifer Gohan knew that this was kind of a
grenade that they had to jump on, and I think,
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you know, to her credit, she has stuck to her
guns on in terms of standing up the Notre Dame
on this. So I think a lot of people aren't happy.
I mean, Keishawn Johnson had a you know, very colorful
video that he posted about Lincoln Riley and Jennifer Cohen yesterday,
so and you know, think hear of that for sure.
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So I think they were ready to sort of take
that dr hit, and I think they hope to fill
that spot with, you know, potentially some sort of team
that has at least some ties to the old Pac
twelve that you know, if they're not going to play
Notre Dame until nine or you know, twenty thirty and beyond,
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maybe they can play Stanford or cal or Arizona State
or you know, a team like that.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
That's the problem, right, is that USC, now that they're
in the Big Ten, plays a tougher schedule, and then
Notre Dame when you look at their schedule, they've still
got Stanford, they play every year they get I think
they play Navy, they got half their schedule. Ore teams
that will never make the playoffs are not even going
to challenge them.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Well, and they're with their current deal this last year,
if that would have been in place, they would have
made the playoffs over Miami, in spite of the fact
that Notre Dame lost to Miami earlier in the year.
Right now, that is a scenario that, however unlikely, it
would happen to USC. They just thought, well, there's a
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world in which we lose or we beach. At the
end of the season, you're still ranked ahead of us.
So now, whether the committee wouldever let that happen, we
don't know. But the fact that it's even a consideration
just shows you how stupid it was for the con
Conference commissioners to agree to this with Notre Dame. They
ultimately were the only is that held the cards in
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terms of forcing Notre Dame into a conference or having
to rethink its situation, and they didn't do anything about it.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Gutless, gutless act by the conference Commissionersless. Yes, I like that,
Ryan Gutless.
Speaker 6 (36:15):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
All right, man, Thanks for coming on. Have a terrific holiday.
We really appreciate it when you're on the show.
Speaker 6 (36:23):
Of course, you guys see have you all?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
It is Rodney. Big news, big news concerning Dellan Hernandez
of the Times. Our buddy, something very big has happened.
Let's talk about it. One o'clock.
Speaker 5 (36:38):
We'll do it.
Speaker 3 (36:55):
Today's afternoon Delight is paper Low by the Baby and
this time of year a lot of folks.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Paper is Low, song of.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
One of two tracks that the Cleveland native dropped over
the weekend as he gets set to release his fifth
studio album next year. Most recent release have highlighted and
focus on mentorship, family and personal responsibility, as well as
his charitable initiative focused on raising mental health awareness, breaking
the stigma, and providing resources for both youth and adults
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facing mental health challenges. Again, Today's afternoon Delight is paper
low by the baby.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
All right, now.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
From the court to the court room with Jacob em Roani.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Okay, now our weekly chat with America's attorney Jacob em
Ronni Jacob.
Speaker 4 (37:57):
Howard, Happy Tuesday. How are you guys?
Speaker 1 (38:01):
We're doing well, Jacob. You'un for the holidays? Are you excited?
What do you have planned?
Speaker 4 (38:07):
You know, I'm always excited. It's a good time. You know,
this is a time when we get a chance to
spend some time with our staff and you know, really
wind up the year. As you know, our work never stops.
It's every day. Accidents don't take vacation or they don't
take off the holidays. So I'm appreciative of, you know,
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of all the people that have trusted us for the
past twenty eight years, and especially for the ones that
have trusted you know, trusted us in the past year.
But love this time of the year. You know, get
a chance to really spend some quality time with people
and see how blessed we are. And yeah, love it,
love it. And we got rain outside, so it's really
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shown us that time of the year.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, we're going to talk about that in a second,
but just just from a family standpoint though, Jacob, what
would you guys, you guys do of the holidays. I
know you spend time. You just talked about the office
and being close, because you got a very close office.
But family wise, what do you guys do do you
guys kind of shut it down? And I know the
kids are still active during this time of year as well.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Yeah, so kids are out of school, They're getting a
chance to enjoy a couple of days of just you know,
sleeping in a little bit. You know, boys got basketball,
So we got a basketball tournament coming up, you know,
right after Christmas. So we do that and then after
that shut it down. Try to see if I can
get a couple of days of snow in and kind
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of gear up, you know, gear up and be back
here ready to grind again. But yeah, this is all
about family time and spending time with the parents and
you know, the in laws and the kids and really
you know, really having quality. You know, I think this
time of the year, you we all have to count
our blessings. You know, I'm sure everybody's got their ups
(40:01):
and downs throughout the year. But the way I look
at it as somebody else probably has it worse than you.
And you've got to always be blessed for what you've got.
So I try to remind myself my work, family, my
home family and everything that we always got to say
thank God.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
All right, Jacob, you're with a family, you spend time
with the folks at the office. But the office is
always open during the holidays. Eight hundred three four five, six, seven,
eight nine. Eight hundred and three four five six, seven
eight nine. There are people working right during the holidays.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
I'll start with that, right, Oh, absolutely, absolutely, we're here,
we're working. Uh. You know, we have a team that's gonna,
you know, going to be available and working even on
Christmas Day. You know, we you know, we the people
who show up at that time volunteer. It's not a
(40:54):
mandatory aspect, but we have a team that actually volunteers
for that time and we give them an opportunity, you know,
to do that. As you know, we're here until late
at night, even through the holidays, and just try to
be available. Fred, you know, you've got to be available
for people, you know, I always you know, compare this
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to when I have, you know, a kid that's sick
or something like that, and I'm trying to call their
doctor and I'm trying to talk to somebody, and everybody
deserves the time to be off and deserves the time
to not be on. But it would be great if
I could reach you know, if I could reach my
doctor all the time. So I try to have people
be able to reach their attorney all the time.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
That being said, as we head into the holidays, here rain.
It's going to rain tonight, tomorrow, I believe, Christmas Day,
and maybe the day after. And that's sadly when you
guys are the busiest.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Right, yeah, you know, I mean we get of course,
we're busy when it rains, and then we get hit
even harder when the rain slows down. But I think
the more and more people they get educated about their
rights and how important it is not to wait. They
tend to call right after the accident. We get people
call us from the scene of the accident. And you know,
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rain is something that unfortunately causes a lot of accidents,
and you know a lot of people don't realize that
they need to keep you know, their windshield wipers, make
sure that they work. The tires get bald, you hit
the brakes, you start the hydroplane. You know, people are
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still on their cell phones as they're driving, so not
paying attention. And the biggest thing about the holidays and
rain combined, I mean, you know, there's still people trying
to get into finish their Christmas shopping and holiday shopping.
People are in a hurry, so you know, not necessarily
paying attention. So yeah, rain, holidays, but it all goes together. Unfortunately,
(42:54):
its spells disaster at points and accidents and in the rain,
the accidents can be a lot more serious. So I
do hope all of our listeners are family members and
everybody stay safe during this time. But if you are
unfortunate to have an accident and you need to chat,
we are here for you, and we're here to support
(43:15):
and hold your hand through it.
Speaker 1 (43:17):
All right, Happy holidays to you to your family, Thank
you for being our friend, Thank you for being one
of our partners on the program, and we will talk
to you next year.
Speaker 4 (43:27):
Thank you. Havy holidays to both of you and your
beautiful families, and wishing you, you know, amazing quality time
and an incredible holiday time.
Speaker 1 (43:37):
Thanks Jacob. All right, when we come back, our friend
Dylan Hernandez of The Times joins this major announcement that
will change the way we consume our sports coverage in
Los Angeles, and that is next.
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