December 4, 2025 • 43 mins
We dive deeper into the divorce between Chris Paul and the Clippers. Dave Roberts says he is an advocate for a salary cap, as long as there is also a salary floor.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, here we go, fred Rogan Rodney Peter two
hour show today on AM five to seventy LA Sports. Rodney,
how in the world are you doing well? Freddy? Freddy,
Freddie Freddie. Yes, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Are you really good?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm better than Chris Paul. Yep, you know the Clippers.
That's a fair statement.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And the thing is this, We will talk more about
that coming up later on in the program. That is
a fascinating, fascinating story. And you know what's interesting about that.
I think I know why it happened. I really thought
about this. I gave it some thought, and actually I
was on the phone with Kevin this morning for a
couple of minutes and I said, you know, maybe I
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figured out what happened with Chris Paul and why it
went down the way it did. You just want to
do it now, Rodney. There, we'll do Dodgers in the
next segment.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Let's get into it. Why not, right? Okay? Why not?
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
So we know the story of Chris Paul, and we're
well aware of the fact that he was sent home.
He was sent home, which is humiliating and awful. It's
almost as bad, not quite, but almost as bad as
Lane Kiffen being fired on the tarmac. That was pretty bad. Now,
that had to be the low point in anybody's career.
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But for a guy like Chris Paul who has played
for so many years and had the success he's had,
not the big title, but you can't argue that he's
a Hall of Famer. For him to be sent home
is humiliating.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And didn't didn't Lawrence Frank, didn't they report the Lawrence
Frank flew to Atlanta, wasn't even you know, it wasn't
necessarily with the team, but flew to Atlanta to make
that happen, to meet with him in person.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Say okay, we're going to send you home. That is wow.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, it's almost It's almost on that level of the
tarmac and Lane Kiffin, but not quite.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
But did a lot of very good reporting on this, Rodney,
a lot of very good reporting. League sources say Paul
had several meetings recently with Clippers officials regarding their concerns
with his approach, with one source indicating that there was
a request for him to stop with the locker room lawyering.
I believe that set it all. I believe that one
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line set it all. League sources said Paul was openly
critical of the team. In a film session on Tuesday,
Frank said the decision to move on from Paul had
already been made. That one line, locker room lawyering. That's
why his career with the Clippers has come to an
end unceremoniously.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, And here's why. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I want anybody who has been at a job for
a very long time, you've been there forever, you've done
this for years, to hear me out and tell me
that if this makes sense, right, I'm guilty of this,
by the way, and that's why it struck me when
I thought about it this morning. I'm very guilty of this.
When you've done something a long time and you've had
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success in doing it, there's an expectation in your mind
of how things are done. Chris Paul has been successful. Again,
He's never won the Big One, but you can't dispute
the fact he's been successful. He's done things one way,
one way, yeah, the whole time. And by the way,
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even though he hasn't won the Big One. And when
he was with the Clippers during lob City, he was
part of the problem with the club imploding. He's very successful.
I think you and I can agree. He knows what
he's doing, and I think you and I can also agree.
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He knows one way to do it. He's done it,
and he knows how to do it, and he knows
what works. So as he has progressed throughout his career,
he's always been that guy. He will be a mentor,
he will be a teacher, he will be an advisor.
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He is someone that everyone leans on, coaches as well,
certainly players. He's Mickey Rojas. He knows what he's doing
and he knows what it takes to be successful. He
knows the grind, he knows the sacrifice, he knows the effort.
He understands what it takes in the film room, he
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knows what it takes in the weight room. He knows
how to do it. And by the way, it's the
way he's always done it and it's always worked. I've
learned this lesson. I've learned this because I am one
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of the most blessed people you will ever meet in
your life. You know, I've lived dreams I didn't know
I had. I've had success it as unimaginable, and trust me,
I am very humble, and I don't take it for
granted because I try to work really hard. But in
working really hard, I know one way to do things
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because I've done it for so long, and that one
way has always worked. Now, as you grow and you
realize the environment around you has changed and people have changed,
you have to make modifications to your approach because everyone
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around you is now different and the way you did
it twenty years ago successful may not be able to
be replicated the exact same way today. You take bits
of it, you take pieces of it, but you have
to adapt. Environment changes and his people change, and with
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the passage of time, you know, Chris Paul is like
someone's dad talking to those kids. Now, if you think
about it, Yes, certainly, when he was with the Spurs
he was yeah. Now here he's more somebody's brother, older brother,
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because they're older, they've been around more, they've all been paid,
They've all had their success in their own way, maybe
not as a group, but they have been successful. But
Chris Paul is an alpha, and Chris Paul is not
afraid to speak as mine. Chris Paul was the Player's
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Association president, and I would suggest to you that if
we had a closed door meeting with NBA people because
he is so strong willed, strong minded, and confident in
his stance. The NBA people would say Chris Paul when
representing the Union is a giant paint of the ass
because he's pretty smart and he knows what he's doing.
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So now you find yourself, Rodney, and when I'm done,
you tell me if all of this made sense. Now
you find yourself in a situation on a team that's bad,
not what he signed up for. This is his goodbye.
This will be it for him. And despite the fact
last year he played in almost every game and certainly
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represented himself well, he's also strop enough to know he's
one step away from his career being over. One more
injury and he's done. It's harder for him now he's older. Now,
it requires more now and probably is fun, but not
as much fun as it was. But it's hard to
give something up that you've done for so long. So
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I'm gonna give it another shot. I'm gonna go one
more and maybe I can help this team. Maybe I
can provide everything I've learned over the years this team
and we can do something.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
There'll be a hell of a sendoff could be a
Hollywood story.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It all comes into play, but you can't do it
with this team because this team can't do it. Sure,
on paper, it looks like they're gonna be pretty good,
and if we're to Vianni's before the season started, when
you look at the composite of both the Lakers and
Clippers roster, Sure the Lakers have Luca Lebron and Austin Reeves,
but you're looking at this and going, they got James Harden,
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They've got Kawhi Now, Chris Paul's gonna help out. Bradley
Beal's on the team. Think they're even deeper than the Lakers.
They got a legitimate shot here, but they don't. They
all hit the ceiling. They all hit the wall at
the same time. They're old er, they're frustrated, not going
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their way. But the one guy that knows how to
do it is Chris Paul. The one guy who's been
through all of this is Paul. So what happens to
Chris Paul. He becomes increasingly more frustrated. He's always been vocal,
he's always been that guy. He's older now and probably
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less apt to control what he says because as people
get older, their filter kind of evaporates a little bit
and it doesn't matter. Yeah, okay, so now he's really
telling people what he thinks that.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, he's in that that motive. I don't care at
this point.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
With every loss him sitting there, he has to deal
with the reality that he could be done. And if
he is, what a failure my final year has been.
I don't want to go out like this. No, so
we got to fix it. And I'm desperate. I'm desperate
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because this is it for me. So you know what,
I understand every he knows what they're doing here, but
I'm Chris Paul and I really know what to do.
So he didn't say it, but think of it like this,
Let's cut the crap. This is what we need to do,
not to be five and sixteen. This is how we
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have to do it. Your way isn't working everybody. You
see the result, and if they lose more games and
he becomes more frustrated, everything's a problem. You're not even
watching the film. Are you on your phone? I don't
know if that happened, but just think about it. Are
you ten seconds late? Why are you ten seconds late?
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That's the problem. You're not paying attention. That's the problem.
When you're in the game. In two of the sets
we ran you at a position, that's the problem. Suddenly
everything becomes the problem for someone who is desperately, desperately
trying to finish in a positive way. What happens Now
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he's going to start talking. Now, he's got things to
say because he's not putting up with this, He's not
sitting through this crap. This is not the way it's
going to go. And I've got something to say. That's
it because what he's saying and what he probably said
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didn't resonate. As a matter of fact, it became combustible,
and that's where the divide took place. That's I think
what happened here, I know just personally again, and I'll
relate it to you. In the things that I have
been blessed to do, I've had to build teams and
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hire different people to do different things. The same principle
applies every time I do one, and I'm doing one
now and it's a lot of fun. But the way
I do it has to be different because times have
changed and people are different. So it's the same principle
but applied differently, and I think for Chris Paul it's
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the same principle, but applied the way it's always been applied.
Given his frustration and borderline desperation with the end of
his career coming, I think that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Rodney.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Does that mean I do? I agree. I think that
all of those things came into play. I think it's
it was a series of unfortunate events. And with him,
you're absolutely right. He was always used to doing things
a certain way right, always, always, he was always I
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bet from the moment he was six years old or
eight years old, he's always been the leader of the team.
He's always been not only the vocal leader, but probably
the best player on the team that he was playing with.
Growing up, smaller guy had to fight his way through
to be heard, but had to prove himself constantly because
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he wasn't always the biggest guy or the fastest guy.
So he proved it physically, but he also proved it
vocally and became that leader. And when things change and
you've been in the league a long time and you're
not adapting with the times, and on top of everything
else that you're losing, that is a recipe for disaster
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when you have an older leader like that, because what
you see around you starts to frustrate you more and more.
It's like these young guys don't know what it takes.
This organization doesn't know what it takes. They're letting guys
get away with murder. They're letting guys just be eight
to practice. You mentioned you're on your phone, You're you're
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not you're not paying attention. It's very similar, Fred. Did
you hear Aaron Rodgers after the game last week? It's
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's a fault. Yeah, they wasn't sign up for meetings.
Guys in show up for meetings.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You know, we got a meeting called at Thursday at
ten o'clock and got show up for meetings. And so
it's that passive aggressive I'm blaming somebody else. But things change,
and if you don't adapt to them, then you're you're
gonna it's only gonna get bad, and it's only gonna
end terribly. You know, there was a time, I mean,
you know, the time he came in the league, it
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was different. First of all, the money wasn't what it
is now. The things that you could say to guys
and and get after guys, and I remember that as coaches.
There was a time where coaches could yell at players
and and they had all the power. Basically well, as
the money grew, the players became to have more power
than the coach. And that guy you could just dog,
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cuss and yell at all day long. That wasn't gonna
fly anymore. And so being able to adapt when you
said it, he've done it the same way his entire life,
and it's work for him, not to the point where
he's won a title, but it's worked for him to
be a Hall of Fame basketball player. It's hard to
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change at the during the last year of your career,
it's very hard to change. And he became very I believe,
I agree with you. I think that was just him
and Tylo butt heads. You know, Tyleru had a certain
way of doing things, and it's he's the coach, and
Chris was sitting back looking and going, there's no way
we can win this way. I don't know what's going
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on here, and that became a friction problem and they
didn't speak so it and then you know we always
say this winning cures everything, Well, this is a team
that's losing and not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
So it made matters worse.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So when I left Channel four, I'll be really personal here,
I probably they were probably happy I left at that point.
They were probably happy. Here's why what I was suggesting
and the things I wanted to do they weren't doing.
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They weren't doing They couldn't even understand some of them
things that have worked for years. Seriously, And this is
what I took from that experience. People change, times change,
and it felt like you were trying to move things
by force of will. You're not listening to what I'm
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telling you. I know this works, or I know if
we try this it will be successful. We're not doing that.
We don't understand that. We want to do it differently.
We have a different view. Things are different now, yes,
but I'm telling you this works now. To be fair,
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it did work for Chris Paul. Everything he said was
probably right. Every single thing he said was really probably
right because he does know. It's just they're not there.
That's not how they think they're going to do it. Differently,
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Sean McVay knows how to do things. That is a
system that works. It is a system built around people.
Because things have changed, from when Chris Paul started or
when I started. You could get things done years ago
by force of will. You could tell four people push
that rock up the hill, dam it, or you don't
have a job anymore, Right, go push and we'll get there,
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and we'll get there faster than anybody. That's what for us.
That doesn't work today, that's not how it works. Look
at how Sean McVay coaches the Rams. Look at how
Dave Roberts manages the Dodgers. Look at it. They manage people,
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but no strategy.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Right, But listen to if you take those two guys
and fast forward ten years from now, you know, and
they try to do the same things that they're doing
today ten years from now, that's not gonna work, no,
because they go, you know, they go, well, we won
back to back titles ten years ago, and this is
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the way we got it done. Well, it's twenty thirty five. Now,
it's a different story, different ballgame, different attitude, different different players.
You have to adapt, got to adapt, gotta adapt. You
have to be able to adapt. And if you are
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in a position where you are a leader or if
had success, hopefully you learn that I learned it. Yeah,
I've learned Belichick. Jo Belichick hasn't learned it. He has
not learned it, has not learned it. No, hopefully you
learn it. And I'll add if you've done it for
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a long time, or one of the oldest now doing it,
that's harder because as we get older, we become more
set in our ways. Pete Carroll gets it, and he's
seventy three because he's all about people. You see, for
Chris Paul, it's about winning, and you would think it's
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about winning for any professional athlete and really in any
endeavor in.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Life, it's about winning.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's how you get the people around you to join
you in that quest. It's how you get the people
that you're with to form that team, to move forward together,
to have each other's backs. That's what got him. Adam
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will come on and he'll probably have all kinds of
insights about what was said and why it was said
and who felt this. But I think if you look
at it from thirty thousand feet and just take your
own real life experience it's no matter how old you are,
and start thinking about him, I think that's what got him.
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I think that was it, and it's an unceremonious.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Way to go out. Yeah, it wasn't going to get
better though. It wasn't going to get better better now
than March. Yeah, And it couldn't get better because he
couldn't adapt. That's why it didn't get better. Because if
he could adapt, that have been fine.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Now they could be ten and thirty, but he'd still
be there. He'd still be sitting on the team because
he adapted. But then psychologically he could have thought if
I do that, I gave him because he's very strong willed.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I walked away from my own principles.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
See, there's so much more to this aside from the
fact that he's gone. And I think it's really interesting.
I think it applies to people in general and how
they think and how they live and how they succeed.
I think it's a much bigger issue. I mean, you know,
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the headline is that they send him home from Atlanta,
and then you know they have those little bullet points
underneath he talked. You know, it wasn't easy to talk
to one of the team all those things.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
But the real.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Story is how it got there, and I think that's
how it got there. I just yeah, not the way
you want to go out. Let's just mo like that.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Not a guy like that. It's got that kind of career,
in a Hall of Fame career. That's the last thing
you want to know going out because he doesn't play
anywhere else?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Does he?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Maybe somebody takes a flyer on him. I don't know,
but I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Get to see.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
This is the narrative of him going out. They sent
him home in his last year in the league. Right,
I'll tell you this, whoever might might take a flyer
on him, you better being a team that's a contender. Yeah,
you better have a shot.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And you better have that culture locked in, and you
better have everybody on the same page. Chris Paul is
a more intense version of Mickey Rojas.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Now makes sense.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I think he's a more He knows it, he knows
how to teach it, he understands it, He's lived it.
Mickey Rojas, all of those things. Yeah, he wants to
have approached though.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Right. The difference is the approach and that's it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And there, Rodney, there it is. That's the story where
the guys on the Dodgers swear by Mickey Rojas. Mookie Betts,
a National TV gives the guy credit for telling him
where to play during the game. He openly admits Mookie Betts,
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who has hired, far more success in his career than
Mickey Rojas. He openly admits that the only reason he
is succeeding in this position it's because of Meggy Rojas.
Because he's selfless, because he's about the team, because he's
a teacher, because he wants to help. He wants to
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make Mookie Bets better. Quitch Paul is Mickey Rosas with
a different bedside manner.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Yeah, right, Yeah,
Mickey would put his arm around you and say, come
on over here, man, come on, let me tell you
this in a calm voice and just hey, this is uh,
you know, maybe try it this way, Try it this
way for me and see how you feel doing it
this way, whereas Chris is bringing the hammer.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Hey, you sort of a do it this way.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I know how to do it. This is how we weird.
You gotta act this way. You gotta do it this way.
And not everybody can take that for it. Not everybody
receives it the same way. And my daughter Hayley always
says to me, Dad, are you ready to receive? Are
you ready to receive? That means you're attentive, focused, and
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open minded. If you're ready to receive, I will talk
to you now. If you're not ready, if there are
other things in your mind, I'm not going to talk
to you now.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
If you're ready to receive.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
People receive information differently now than when Chris Paul started.
Chris Paul is although it make you Rojas and you go, well,
how many years, it doesn't matter. Those years make a difference.
Those years make a difference. So I think that's actually
what happened with Chris Paul. All right, now we'll move
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to the Dodgers next. Dave Roberts said something that shocked me,
stunned me, and we have to get into that when
we come back.
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Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yes December, What is it December fourth already, good Lord,
time is flying. Let's get it in for it all.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Right, let's go.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Dave Roberts said something, and it I guess when you
think about it, he had to say it, but it
really surprised me. He said, he's in favor of a
salary cap. Hold on, he said, he's in favor of
a salary cap as long as there was a salary floor.
So to me, that now starts to sound like what
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the guys that spent a lot of money are going
to say, because he would not be off on an
island saying that that's got to be the company line. Yeah,
everybody thinks we spend too much money. We're out of control.
We have all the money. You can't beat us, despite
the fact the Blue Jays almost dead, and once the
Dodgers won, it was a big question of how much
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money they spent. But if the Blue Jays had won,
it would have been a different story either way. Yeah,
we're in favor of a salary cap as long as
there is a salary floor.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
What do you think of that? How dare he? How
dare Dave Roberts? That's blasphemy, Fred coming from the Dodgers
who got more money than anybody, want to spend more
than anybody, not willing to shy away from a big
time contract and pay these guys what they deserve or
what they think they deserve. How dare Dave Roberts? Oh, kiddy, Yeah,
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I don't know. I think that You're right. You're gonna
hear people say that, and I'm glad it wasn't just
I'm in favor of a salary cap, because that would
have been bad. That's not good. It's not good for
the player. Players don't want to hear that. Even the
top tier owners, the top ten teams that spend the
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most money, don't want to hear that. But when you
throw the floor into it, which I think it was
mentioned in that article as well or that interview as well,
it's like, you can't have Okay, we'll do a salary cap,
but Pittsburgh can't be Pittsburgh anymore. You know, Cincinnati can't
be Cincinnati anymore. They can't whine and cry, we're we're
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breaking even and not spend any money. We're gonna have
to raise that floor for you guys. So you want
a salary cap, then the bottom feeder's got to come
on all the way up too, So it worked both ways.
But here's how I see that happens. I see that
being would you say the company line? That's that's what
they're gonna that's what they're gonna say. Yeah, Now, now
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here's how it happens. Think about this for a second. See,
this is how you fix it. Because the devil's always
in the details.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So here's how you fix this. Ready, Yeah, one hundred
percent salary cap not a question. We're all in, show
a hands, okay with this condition.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
There is a floor.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Now there's a floor. So do we all agree with that? Yeah? Okay, great. Now,
before we can finalize it, let's talk about it. So
let's say the salary cap if you have more money
than anybody else than you should spend it. It's three
hundred million dollars. That's the top of the line. We'll
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cap it right there. What the hell? We're going to
cap it at two seventy Of course we're going to
defer nine hundred billion dollars, but none. Nonetheless, year by year,
we're going to cap it at two seventy. Who's with me? Great,
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here's the floor one seventy five. Who's in? See the
fight's not going to be what the cap is. The
fight's going to be what the floor is. Absolutely, and
that's how they'll end this whole thing. No problem, We're good.
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What do you want the cap to be? Two fifty?
We're in what's the floor?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Two hundred? Who's in?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
See, that's how you do it. I mean, when you
read this stuff, you go, oh my god, they'll agree. No no, no,
no no. When you think about it, it's all a negotiation.
So that's how we're going to handle it. Don't worry
about it. Two fifty the floor one's seventy five. How
many teams are gonna spend one seventy five on our payroll?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
No? Not many?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Right, and there you go there there, Well, okay, if
you don't want to do that, if you don't agree
to that, then just keep it the way it is.
Then problem solved.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, okay, we're willing to go you know, yeah, we're
willing to implement a salary cap.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
But yeah, to your point, you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
You folks down at the bottom crying broke, and Dodgers
spending too much money and they're unfair advantage, you know. Okay, Okay,
we'll agree to that. But then, uh, you know that
revenue that you were generating, we're gonna cut that in
half because now there's a floor. You know, because you
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read through this not too long ago where you know
people are complaining, and then you look at the actual
revenue of some of these teams and they're actually making
more than the Dodgers, right, you know, because they're not spending.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Right, it's a Donald Sterling model with the clippers. God,
these guys been terrible, awful. Oh my god, they're hard
to watch. Donald Shirley making money because they're not spending.
It pretty simple, that's what they'll do.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
That's the plan. I don't even if they know the plan,
but that will be the plan. How many do you
think agree with that of the bottom feeders when it
goes to that point, like, okay, salary cap, Yeah, three
hundred million, floor two hundred million. Now, who's in? I mean,
(32:20):
how many do you think there would go? Hm, that's
a little stiff for my blood.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Oh, it's not going to pass. There's no way here.
All right, here's what we're gonna do. We'll make it
easy for everybody. Three hundred million is the cap. The
floors one fifty half of it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
That makes it simple.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
We don't even have to worry about it. The top
is three, the bottom is one fifty. We split the difference.
Who's in, who's in for a guaranteed one fifty. And
if Kevin were to pull the salaries of Major League
Baseball clubs last year, if we.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Were to pull those major League Oh, Kevin, O'll look
because I can't type and talk.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
If we were to pull that the list of the
payroll of major league teams from last year, let's see
who would be in and who would Let's do that
after the break, all right, and coming up at one o'clock,
the Salta Adam Awesome will join us and we'll get
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All right, so we were talking before the break. Let's
do this real quick.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
If you had the floor, the salary floor one hundred
and fifty million dollars in Major League Baseball, Dave Roberts said, yeah,
we'd consider a salary cap, but there's got to be
a floor. So the fight's going to be over what
the floor is, not what the camp is, that will
be the fight. What's the floor. So we figured it
a number of three hundred million. Make the floor one fifty.
(35:29):
That's fair, would you agree, Rodney? Yeah, I would say
that's fair. You know, when you look up there, what
two teams that are over the three hundred million dollars threshold.
So let's make it three hundred million and then the
floors one fifty makes sense half of that, So everybody's
got one hundred and fifty wiggle room in there.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, all right. So looking at the twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Six payroll allocations as they sit right now, right now,
not adding the luxury tax, this is just the payroll allocations.
If the floor is one fifty, that would mean twenty
of thirty teams have not hit the floor. Only nine have.
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So that would mean, yeah, nine.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Have hit the floor.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
That would be twenty one that have not if the
floor was one fifty. If the floor was one fifty,
the Cubs are at one fifty three, and that's the
lowest of the top nine, with the Dodgers first to
two forty five, Toronto at two eighteen, the Mets a
two thirty five, Atlantic two oh seven, the Yankees to twelve.
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Phillies are one eighty one. Houston is one sixty three.
San Diego has won sixty in. The Cubs are at
one fifty three. Every other team is below one fifty,
every single one of them. So make the floor one fifty.
And guess what, I got a feeling. A lot of
teams are not gonna vote for the cap right now,
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and now they can sign players and things like that.
But let's talk about number thirty. Washington they have spent
forty eight million dollars under payroll right now allocated. They
have allocated forty eight million dollars. Miami they have allocated
twenty two million dollars right now. Cincinnati forty one million.
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They can sign guys, so it's gonna go up. But
let's just start with where they're at right now. Pittsburgh
thirty three million, Saint Louis fifty four million, Cleveland forty
five million, Minnesota forty seven million, Tampa Bay fifty eight,
the White Sox forty three, Baltimore forty eight, Oakland forty nine,
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or the A's I should say, Colorado sixty five, Milwaukee
sixty nine, Detroit six, seventy seven, Kansas City ninety three,
Seattle ninety two, and then Arizona one hundred and six,
teams that have allocated at this point forty eight million dollars.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
You think they're gonna vote for a cap of one
hundred and fifty really, of course not. There's no way
in the world.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
You know, you're sitting there, you're gonna pay double what
you already pay, or more than that, you're gonna pay
almost three times of which we're paying right now. But
you got a candidate Rodney, which you've allocated forty eight
was who said forty eight forty eight million.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Washington, Yeah, Pittsburgh's thirty three million. Do you think they're
gonna vote for a cap of one hundred and fifty
million dollars for the floor?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
No way in the world they are.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
That's why it's pretty simple to say, yeah, we're all
for a cap. We're we're good Dodgers, cut us in.
We want it to be equal and fair for all,
So yeah, we'll vote for it.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, So what's the back what I said? Dave Roberts.
Dave Roberts was not speaking for the organizations and the owners.
He got those talking points right from the players Association.
He got that right from the players. Hey, okay, yeah,
you want that cap, put that cap in. Gotta be
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a floor.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
By the way, if you want to use a Major
League Baseball or excuse me, the NBA and NFL as
sort of a baseline and how to get this started.
The NFL, each team, the salary floor is ninety percent
of the cap. Oh hekay, eighty nine percent of the
cap for the NBA. So that's how that's how those
two leagues parcel out, parcel out the salary floor eighty
all right.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
So let's let's base it on three hundred million. Okay,
let's just do a quick exercise. What's ninety percent of
three million? Twenty seven nine times three twenty seven?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Right? Correct?
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Its twenty seven. So the two hundred seventy million dollars
would be the floor.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Oh, there's no way they're gonna go for that. Eighty
percent would be two hundred and forty million with a cap,
make it two fifty, make it to fifty.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's ninety percent the floor.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Oh, there is no way they'll go for that, Rodney.
No team spending forty eight million bucks would go for
ninety percent of the cap. They want the cap to
be fifty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I was gonna say, oh, they you know they're gonna
go for or the other leagues it was like fifty percent,
sixty percent tops, but ninety percent is the floor.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
So I'm looking at deeper into the NFL. So it's
sort of floating. So it says it's not a strict
per season requirement. Teams must average eighty nine percent of
the cap over a four year period.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Still, that's not going to allow somebody to spend fifty
two million dollars.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
You can never be that low.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
No ever, and listened in.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Our proposal with a cap of three hundred million dollars,
we're saying fifty percent of the cap one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, you know what that also means you don't have
to open those those books a little bit more there, Freddy.
That's exactly what it means. We have to figure out, Oh,
so you you cry broke, but I'm looking at your
your revenue right here, and you're not really that broke. Well,
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it's all funny money anyway. It's how you write, it's
it's how you write the books.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
What do you write off? What do you account for this.
What do you admortize there? I mean, anybody that's an
accountant knows how to do that. You can mix things
all kind It's like production budgets and TV. Yeah, here's
your money. Well, what happened to it?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
We gave you that? Well, you know, look here here,
look at that line item, Look at this, Look at that.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
This costs more.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Oh we didn't we didn't count. Oh those Cubs T
shirts and hats. Oh we didn't count that. We're supposed
didn't count merchandise. We were supposed to count the merchandise.
Red What do you mean parking? Who counts parking?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, that didn't count.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Why would anybody count parking? That's how it's done. God, Kevin,
that was great info. Yeah, good stuff, keV that was
great info. Yeah, let's have a cap, no problem, Dodgers
all in the ninety percent of the cap. That's the
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floor that will never happen in baseball. Never be careful
what you wish for, because you just might get it. Uh,
next hour, Kevina, get us up on everything that has
happened today with its lit and when we come back,
the Saltier will join us.
All right, here we go, fred Rogan Rodney Peter two
hour show today on AM five to seventy LA Sports. Rodney,
how in the world are you doing well? Freddy? Freddy,
Freddie Freddie. Yes, I'm good, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Are you really good?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm better than Chris Paul. Yep, you know the Clippers.
That's a fair statement.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And the thing is this, We will talk more about
that coming up later on in the program. That is
a fascinating, fascinating story. And you know what's interesting about that.
I think I know why it happened. I really thought
about this. I gave it some thought, and actually I
was on the phone with Kevin this morning for a
couple of minutes and I said, you know, maybe I
(00:46):
figured out what happened with Chris Paul and why it
went down the way it did. You just want to
do it now, Rodney. There, we'll do Dodgers in the
next segment.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Let's get into it. Why not, right? Okay? Why not?
All right?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
So we know the story of Chris Paul, and we're
well aware of the fact that he was sent home.
He was sent home, which is humiliating and awful. It's
almost as bad, not quite, but almost as bad as
Lane Kiffen being fired on the tarmac. That was pretty bad. Now,
that had to be the low point in anybody's career.
(01:20):
But for a guy like Chris Paul who has played
for so many years and had the success he's had,
not the big title, but you can't argue that he's
a Hall of Famer. For him to be sent home
is humiliating.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
And didn't didn't Lawrence Frank, didn't they report the Lawrence
Frank flew to Atlanta, wasn't even you know, it wasn't
necessarily with the team, but flew to Atlanta to make
that happen, to meet with him in person.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Say okay, we're going to send you home. That is wow.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Yeah, it's almost It's almost on that level of the
tarmac and Lane Kiffin, but not quite.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
But did a lot of very good reporting on this, Rodney,
a lot of very good reporting. League sources say Paul
had several meetings recently with Clippers officials regarding their concerns
with his approach, with one source indicating that there was
a request for him to stop with the locker room lawyering.
I believe that set it all. I believe that one
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line set it all. League sources said Paul was openly
critical of the team. In a film session on Tuesday,
Frank said the decision to move on from Paul had
already been made. That one line, locker room lawyering. That's
why his career with the Clippers has come to an
end unceremoniously.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yeah, And here's why. Now.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I want anybody who has been at a job for
a very long time, you've been there forever, you've done
this for years, to hear me out and tell me
that if this makes sense, right, I'm guilty of this,
by the way, and that's why it struck me when
I thought about it this morning. I'm very guilty of this.
When you've done something a long time and you've had
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success in doing it, there's an expectation in your mind
of how things are done. Chris Paul has been successful. Again,
He's never won the Big One, but you can't dispute
the fact he's been successful. He's done things one way,
one way, yeah, the whole time. And by the way,
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even though he hasn't won the Big One. And when
he was with the Clippers during lob City, he was
part of the problem with the club imploding. He's very successful.
I think you and I can agree. He knows what
he's doing, and I think you and I can also agree.
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He knows one way to do it. He's done it,
and he knows how to do it, and he knows
what works. So as he has progressed throughout his career,
he's always been that guy. He will be a mentor,
he will be a teacher, he will be an advisor.
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He is someone that everyone leans on, coaches as well,
certainly players. He's Mickey Rojas. He knows what he's doing
and he knows what it takes to be successful. He
knows the grind, he knows the sacrifice, he knows the effort.
He understands what it takes in the film room, he
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knows what it takes in the weight room. He knows
how to do it. And by the way, it's the
way he's always done it and it's always worked. I've
learned this lesson. I've learned this because I am one
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of the most blessed people you will ever meet in
your life. You know, I've lived dreams I didn't know
I had. I've had success it as unimaginable, and trust me,
I am very humble, and I don't take it for
granted because I try to work really hard. But in
working really hard, I know one way to do things
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because I've done it for so long, and that one
way has always worked. Now, as you grow and you
realize the environment around you has changed and people have changed,
you have to make modifications to your approach because everyone
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around you is now different and the way you did
it twenty years ago successful may not be able to
be replicated the exact same way today. You take bits
of it, you take pieces of it, but you have
to adapt. Environment changes and his people change, and with
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the passage of time, you know, Chris Paul is like
someone's dad talking to those kids. Now, if you think
about it, Yes, certainly, when he was with the Spurs
he was yeah. Now here he's more somebody's brother, older brother,
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because they're older, they've been around more, they've all been paid,
They've all had their success in their own way, maybe
not as a group, but they have been successful. But
Chris Paul is an alpha, and Chris Paul is not
afraid to speak as mine. Chris Paul was the Player's
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Association president, and I would suggest to you that if
we had a closed door meeting with NBA people because
he is so strong willed, strong minded, and confident in
his stance. The NBA people would say Chris Paul when
representing the Union is a giant paint of the ass
because he's pretty smart and he knows what he's doing.
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So now you find yourself, Rodney, and when I'm done,
you tell me if all of this made sense. Now
you find yourself in a situation on a team that's bad,
not what he signed up for. This is his goodbye.
This will be it for him. And despite the fact
last year he played in almost every game and certainly
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represented himself well, he's also strop enough to know he's
one step away from his career being over. One more
injury and he's done. It's harder for him now he's older. Now,
it requires more now and probably is fun, but not
as much fun as it was. But it's hard to
give something up that you've done for so long. So
(07:51):
I'm gonna give it another shot. I'm gonna go one
more and maybe I can help this team. Maybe I
can provide everything I've learned over the years this team
and we can do something.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
There'll be a hell of a sendoff could be a
Hollywood story.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It all comes into play, but you can't do it
with this team because this team can't do it. Sure,
on paper, it looks like they're gonna be pretty good,
and if we're to Vianni's before the season started, when
you look at the composite of both the Lakers and
Clippers roster, Sure the Lakers have Luca Lebron and Austin Reeves,
but you're looking at this and going, they got James Harden,
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They've got Kawhi Now, Chris Paul's gonna help out. Bradley
Beal's on the team. Think they're even deeper than the Lakers.
They got a legitimate shot here, but they don't. They
all hit the ceiling. They all hit the wall at
the same time. They're old er, they're frustrated, not going
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their way. But the one guy that knows how to
do it is Chris Paul. The one guy who's been
through all of this is Paul. So what happens to
Chris Paul. He becomes increasingly more frustrated. He's always been vocal,
he's always been that guy. He's older now and probably
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less apt to control what he says because as people
get older, their filter kind of evaporates a little bit
and it doesn't matter. Yeah, okay, so now he's really
telling people what he thinks that.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, he's in that that motive. I don't care at
this point.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
With every loss him sitting there, he has to deal
with the reality that he could be done. And if
he is, what a failure my final year has been.
I don't want to go out like this. No, so
we got to fix it. And I'm desperate. I'm desperate
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because this is it for me. So you know what,
I understand every he knows what they're doing here, but
I'm Chris Paul and I really know what to do.
So he didn't say it, but think of it like this,
Let's cut the crap. This is what we need to do,
not to be five and sixteen. This is how we
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have to do it. Your way isn't working everybody. You
see the result, and if they lose more games and
he becomes more frustrated, everything's a problem. You're not even
watching the film. Are you on your phone? I don't
know if that happened, but just think about it. Are
you ten seconds late? Why are you ten seconds late?
(10:38):
That's the problem. You're not paying attention. That's the problem.
When you're in the game. In two of the sets
we ran you at a position, that's the problem. Suddenly
everything becomes the problem for someone who is desperately, desperately
trying to finish in a positive way. What happens Now
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he's going to start talking. Now, he's got things to
say because he's not putting up with this, He's not
sitting through this crap. This is not the way it's
going to go. And I've got something to say. That's
it because what he's saying and what he probably said
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didn't resonate. As a matter of fact, it became combustible,
and that's where the divide took place. That's I think
what happened here, I know just personally again, and I'll
relate it to you. In the things that I have
been blessed to do, I've had to build teams and
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hire different people to do different things. The same principle
applies every time I do one, and I'm doing one
now and it's a lot of fun. But the way
I do it has to be different because times have
changed and people are different. So it's the same principle
but applied differently, and I think for Chris Paul it's
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the same principle, but applied the way it's always been applied.
Given his frustration and borderline desperation with the end of
his career coming, I think that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Rodney.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Does that mean I do? I agree. I think that
all of those things came into play. I think it's
it was a series of unfortunate events. And with him,
you're absolutely right. He was always used to doing things
a certain way right, always, always, he was always I
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bet from the moment he was six years old or
eight years old, he's always been the leader of the team.
He's always been not only the vocal leader, but probably
the best player on the team that he was playing with.
Growing up, smaller guy had to fight his way through
to be heard, but had to prove himself constantly because
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he wasn't always the biggest guy or the fastest guy.
So he proved it physically, but he also proved it
vocally and became that leader. And when things change and
you've been in the league a long time and you're
not adapting with the times, and on top of everything
else that you're losing, that is a recipe for disaster
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when you have an older leader like that, because what
you see around you starts to frustrate you more and more.
It's like these young guys don't know what it takes.
This organization doesn't know what it takes. They're letting guys
get away with murder. They're letting guys just be eight
to practice. You mentioned you're on your phone, You're you're
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not you're not paying attention. It's very similar, Fred. Did
you hear Aaron Rodgers after the game last week? It's
the same thing.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
It's a fault. Yeah, they wasn't sign up for meetings.
Guys in show up for meetings.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You know, we got a meeting called at Thursday at
ten o'clock and got show up for meetings. And so
it's that passive aggressive I'm blaming somebody else. But things change,
and if you don't adapt to them, then you're you're
gonna it's only gonna get bad, and it's only gonna
end terribly. You know, there was a time, I mean,
you know, the time he came in the league, it
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was different. First of all, the money wasn't what it
is now. The things that you could say to guys
and and get after guys, and I remember that as coaches.
There was a time where coaches could yell at players
and and they had all the power. Basically well, as
the money grew, the players became to have more power
than the coach. And that guy you could just dog,
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cuss and yell at all day long. That wasn't gonna
fly anymore. And so being able to adapt when you
said it, he've done it the same way his entire life,
and it's work for him, not to the point where
he's won a title, but it's worked for him to
be a Hall of Fame basketball player. It's hard to
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change at the during the last year of your career,
it's very hard to change. And he became very I believe,
I agree with you. I think that was just him
and Tylo butt heads. You know, Tyleru had a certain
way of doing things, and it's he's the coach, and
Chris was sitting back looking and going, there's no way
we can win this way. I don't know what's going
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on here, and that became a friction problem and they
didn't speak so it and then you know we always
say this winning cures everything, Well, this is a team
that's losing and not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
So it made matters worse.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
So when I left Channel four, I'll be really personal here,
I probably they were probably happy I left at that point.
They were probably happy. Here's why what I was suggesting
and the things I wanted to do they weren't doing.
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They weren't doing They couldn't even understand some of them
things that have worked for years. Seriously, And this is
what I took from that experience. People change, times change,
and it felt like you were trying to move things
by force of will. You're not listening to what I'm
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telling you. I know this works, or I know if
we try this it will be successful. We're not doing that.
We don't understand that. We want to do it differently.
We have a different view. Things are different now, yes,
but I'm telling you this works now. To be fair,
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it did work for Chris Paul. Everything he said was
probably right. Every single thing he said was really probably
right because he does know. It's just they're not there.
That's not how they think they're going to do it. Differently,
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Sean McVay knows how to do things. That is a
system that works. It is a system built around people.
Because things have changed, from when Chris Paul started or
when I started. You could get things done years ago
by force of will. You could tell four people push
that rock up the hill, dam it, or you don't
have a job anymore, Right, go push and we'll get there,
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and we'll get there faster than anybody. That's what for us.
That doesn't work today, that's not how it works. Look
at how Sean McVay coaches the Rams. Look at how
Dave Roberts manages the Dodgers. Look at it. They manage people,
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but no strategy.
Speaker 3 (18:20):
Right, But listen to if you take those two guys
and fast forward ten years from now, you know, and
they try to do the same things that they're doing
today ten years from now, that's not gonna work, no,
because they go, you know, they go, well, we won
back to back titles ten years ago, and this is
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the way we got it done. Well, it's twenty thirty five. Now,
it's a different story, different ballgame, different attitude, different different players.
You have to adapt, got to adapt, gotta adapt. You
have to be able to adapt. And if you are
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in a position where you are a leader or if
had success, hopefully you learn that I learned it. Yeah,
I've learned Belichick. Jo Belichick hasn't learned it. He has
not learned it, has not learned it. No, hopefully you
learn it. And I'll add if you've done it for
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a long time, or one of the oldest now doing it,
that's harder because as we get older, we become more
set in our ways. Pete Carroll gets it, and he's
seventy three because he's all about people. You see, for
Chris Paul, it's about winning, and you would think it's
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about winning for any professional athlete and really in any
endeavor in.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Life, it's about winning.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
It's how you get the people around you to join
you in that quest. It's how you get the people
that you're with to form that team, to move forward together,
to have each other's backs. That's what got him. Adam
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will come on and he'll probably have all kinds of
insights about what was said and why it was said
and who felt this. But I think if you look
at it from thirty thousand feet and just take your
own real life experience it's no matter how old you are,
and start thinking about him, I think that's what got him.
(20:34):
I think that was it, and it's an unceremonious.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Way to go out. Yeah, it wasn't going to get
better though. It wasn't going to get better better now
than March. Yeah, And it couldn't get better because he
couldn't adapt. That's why it didn't get better. Because if
he could adapt, that have been fine.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
Now they could be ten and thirty, but he'd still
be there. He'd still be sitting on the team because
he adapted. But then psychologically he could have thought if
I do that, I gave him because he's very strong willed.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
I walked away from my own principles.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
See, there's so much more to this aside from the
fact that he's gone. And I think it's really interesting.
I think it applies to people in general and how
they think and how they live and how they succeed.
I think it's a much bigger issue. I mean, you know,
(21:48):
the headline is that they send him home from Atlanta,
and then you know they have those little bullet points
underneath he talked. You know, it wasn't easy to talk
to one of the team all those things.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
But the real.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Story is how it got there, and I think that's
how it got there. I just yeah, not the way
you want to go out. Let's just mo like that.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Not a guy like that. It's got that kind of career,
in a Hall of Fame career. That's the last thing
you want to know going out because he doesn't play
anywhere else?
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Does he?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Maybe somebody takes a flyer on him. I don't know,
but I'll tell you.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Get to see.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
This is the narrative of him going out. They sent
him home in his last year in the league. Right,
I'll tell you this, whoever might might take a flyer
on him, you better being a team that's a contender. Yeah,
you better have a shot.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
And you better have that culture locked in, and you
better have everybody on the same page. Chris Paul is
a more intense version of Mickey Rojas.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Now makes sense.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I think he's a more He knows it, he knows
how to teach it, he understands it, He's lived it.
Mickey Rojas, all of those things. Yeah, he wants to
have approached though.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Right. The difference is the approach and that's it.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
And there, Rodney, there it is. That's the story where
the guys on the Dodgers swear by Mickey Rojas. Mookie Betts,
a National TV gives the guy credit for telling him
where to play during the game. He openly admits Mookie Betts,
(23:49):
who has hired, far more success in his career than
Mickey Rojas. He openly admits that the only reason he
is succeeding in this position it's because of Meggy Rojas.
Because he's selfless, because he's about the team, because he's
a teacher, because he wants to help. He wants to
(24:11):
make Mookie Bets better. Quitch Paul is Mickey Rosas with
a different bedside manner.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Yeah, that's a good way to put it. Yeah, right, Yeah,
Mickey would put his arm around you and say, come
on over here, man, come on, let me tell you
this in a calm voice and just hey, this is uh,
you know, maybe try it this way, Try it this
way for me and see how you feel doing it
this way, whereas Chris is bringing the hammer.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Hey, you sort of a do it this way.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I know how to do it. This is how we weird.
You gotta act this way. You gotta do it this way.
And not everybody can take that for it. Not everybody
receives it the same way. And my daughter Hayley always
says to me, Dad, are you ready to receive? Are
you ready to receive? That means you're attentive, focused, and
(25:07):
open minded. If you're ready to receive, I will talk
to you now. If you're not ready, if there are
other things in your mind, I'm not going to talk
to you now.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
If you're ready to receive.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
People receive information differently now than when Chris Paul started.
Chris Paul is although it make you Rojas and you go, well,
how many years, it doesn't matter. Those years make a difference.
Those years make a difference. So I think that's actually
what happened with Chris Paul. All right, now we'll move
(25:46):
to the Dodgers next. Dave Roberts said something that shocked me,
stunned me, and we have to get into that when
we come back.
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Speaker 3 (26:16):
Yes December, What is it December fourth already, good Lord,
time is flying. Let's get it in for it all.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
Right, let's go.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Dave Roberts said something, and it I guess when you
think about it, he had to say it, but it
really surprised me. He said, he's in favor of a
salary cap. Hold on, he said, he's in favor of
a salary cap as long as there was a salary floor.
So to me, that now starts to sound like what
(26:47):
the guys that spent a lot of money are going
to say, because he would not be off on an
island saying that that's got to be the company line. Yeah,
everybody thinks we spend too much money. We're out of control.
We have all the money. You can't beat us, despite
the fact the Blue Jays almost dead, and once the
Dodgers won, it was a big question of how much
(27:07):
money they spent. But if the Blue Jays had won,
it would have been a different story either way. Yeah,
we're in favor of a salary cap as long as
there is a salary floor.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
What do you think of that? How dare he? How
dare Dave Roberts? That's blasphemy, Fred coming from the Dodgers
who got more money than anybody, want to spend more
than anybody, not willing to shy away from a big
time contract and pay these guys what they deserve or
what they think they deserve. How dare Dave Roberts? Oh, kiddy, Yeah,
(27:45):
I don't know. I think that You're right. You're gonna
hear people say that, and I'm glad it wasn't just
I'm in favor of a salary cap, because that would
have been bad. That's not good. It's not good for
the player. Players don't want to hear that. Even the
top tier owners, the top ten teams that spend the
(28:07):
most money, don't want to hear that. But when you
throw the floor into it, which I think it was
mentioned in that article as well or that interview as well,
it's like, you can't have Okay, we'll do a salary cap,
but Pittsburgh can't be Pittsburgh anymore. You know, Cincinnati can't
be Cincinnati anymore. They can't whine and cry, we're we're
(28:27):
breaking even and not spend any money. We're gonna have
to raise that floor for you guys. So you want
a salary cap, then the bottom feeder's got to come
on all the way up too, So it worked both ways.
But here's how I see that happens. I see that
being would you say the company line? That's that's what
they're gonna that's what they're gonna say. Yeah, Now, now
(28:49):
here's how it happens. Think about this for a second. See,
this is how you fix it. Because the devil's always
in the details.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
So here's how you fix this. Ready, Yeah, one hundred
percent salary cap not a question. We're all in, show
a hands, okay with this condition.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
There is a floor.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Now there's a floor. So do we all agree with that? Yeah? Okay, great. Now,
before we can finalize it, let's talk about it. So
let's say the salary cap if you have more money
than anybody else than you should spend it. It's three
hundred million dollars. That's the top of the line. We'll
(29:31):
cap it right there. What the hell? We're going to
cap it at two seventy Of course we're going to
defer nine hundred billion dollars, but none. Nonetheless, year by year,
we're going to cap it at two seventy. Who's with me? Great,
(29:51):
here's the floor one seventy five. Who's in? See the
fight's not going to be what the cap is. The
fight's going to be what the floor is. Absolutely, and
that's how they'll end this whole thing. No problem, We're good.
(30:12):
What do you want the cap to be? Two fifty?
We're in what's the floor?
Speaker 2 (30:18):
Two hundred? Who's in?
Speaker 1 (30:21):
See, that's how you do it. I mean, when you
read this stuff, you go, oh my god, they'll agree. No no, no,
no no. When you think about it, it's all a negotiation.
So that's how we're going to handle it. Don't worry
about it. Two fifty the floor one's seventy five. How
many teams are gonna spend one seventy five on our payroll?
Speaker 2 (30:41):
No? Not many?
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Right, and there you go there there, Well, okay, if
you don't want to do that, if you don't agree
to that, then just keep it the way it is.
Then problem solved.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, okay, we're willing to go you know, yeah, we're
willing to implement a salary cap.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
But yeah, to your point, you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
You folks down at the bottom crying broke, and Dodgers
spending too much money and they're unfair advantage, you know. Okay, Okay,
we'll agree to that. But then, uh, you know that
revenue that you were generating, we're gonna cut that in
half because now there's a floor. You know, because you
(31:27):
read through this not too long ago where you know
people are complaining, and then you look at the actual
revenue of some of these teams and they're actually making
more than the Dodgers, right, you know, because they're not spending.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Right, it's a Donald Sterling model with the clippers. God,
these guys been terrible, awful. Oh my god, they're hard
to watch. Donald Shirley making money because they're not spending.
It pretty simple, that's what they'll do.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
That's the plan. I don't even if they know the plan,
but that will be the plan. How many do you
think agree with that of the bottom feeders when it
goes to that point, like, okay, salary cap, Yeah, three
hundred million, floor two hundred million. Now, who's in? I mean,
(32:20):
how many do you think there would go? Hm, that's
a little stiff for my blood.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Oh, it's not going to pass. There's no way here.
All right, here's what we're gonna do. We'll make it
easy for everybody. Three hundred million is the cap. The
floors one fifty half of it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
That makes it simple.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
We don't even have to worry about it. The top
is three, the bottom is one fifty. We split the difference.
Who's in, who's in for a guaranteed one fifty. And
if Kevin were to pull the salaries of Major League
Baseball clubs last year, if we.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Were to pull those major League Oh, Kevin, O'll look
because I can't type and talk.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
If we were to pull that the list of the
payroll of major league teams from last year, let's see
who would be in and who would Let's do that
after the break, all right, and coming up at one o'clock,
the Salta Adam Awesome will join us and we'll get
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more into what happened with Chris.
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All right, so we were talking before the break. Let's
do this real quick.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
If you had the floor, the salary floor one hundred
and fifty million dollars in Major League Baseball, Dave Roberts said, yeah,
we'd consider a salary cap, but there's got to be
a floor. So the fight's going to be over what
the floor is, not what the camp is, that will
be the fight. What's the floor. So we figured it
a number of three hundred million. Make the floor one fifty.
(35:29):
That's fair, would you agree, Rodney? Yeah, I would say
that's fair. You know, when you look up there, what
two teams that are over the three hundred million dollars threshold.
So let's make it three hundred million and then the
floors one fifty makes sense half of that, So everybody's
got one hundred and fifty wiggle room in there.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, all right. So looking at the twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Six payroll allocations as they sit right now, right now,
not adding the luxury tax, this is just the payroll allocations.
If the floor is one fifty, that would mean twenty
of thirty teams have not hit the floor. Only nine have.
(36:17):
So that would mean, yeah, nine.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Have hit the floor.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
That would be twenty one that have not if the
floor was one fifty. If the floor was one fifty,
the Cubs are at one fifty three, and that's the
lowest of the top nine, with the Dodgers first to
two forty five, Toronto at two eighteen, the Mets a
two thirty five, Atlantic two oh seven, the Yankees to twelve.
(36:44):
Phillies are one eighty one. Houston is one sixty three.
San Diego has won sixty in. The Cubs are at
one fifty three. Every other team is below one fifty,
every single one of them. So make the floor one fifty.
And guess what, I got a feeling. A lot of
teams are not gonna vote for the cap right now,
(37:08):
and now they can sign players and things like that.
But let's talk about number thirty. Washington they have spent
forty eight million dollars under payroll right now allocated. They
have allocated forty eight million dollars. Miami they have allocated
twenty two million dollars right now. Cincinnati forty one million.
(37:32):
They can sign guys, so it's gonna go up. But
let's just start with where they're at right now. Pittsburgh
thirty three million, Saint Louis fifty four million, Cleveland forty
five million, Minnesota forty seven million, Tampa Bay fifty eight,
the White Sox forty three, Baltimore forty eight, Oakland forty nine,
(37:57):
or the A's I should say, Colorado sixty five, Milwaukee
sixty nine, Detroit six, seventy seven, Kansas City ninety three,
Seattle ninety two, and then Arizona one hundred and six,
teams that have allocated at this point forty eight million dollars.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
You think they're gonna vote for a cap of one
hundred and fifty really, of course not. There's no way
in the world.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
You know, you're sitting there, you're gonna pay double what
you already pay, or more than that, you're gonna pay
almost three times of which we're paying right now. But
you got a candidate Rodney, which you've allocated forty eight
was who said forty eight forty eight million.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Washington, Yeah, Pittsburgh's thirty three million. Do you think they're
gonna vote for a cap of one hundred and fifty
million dollars for the floor?
Speaker 2 (38:55):
No way in the world they are.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
That's why it's pretty simple to say, yeah, we're all
for a cap. We're we're good Dodgers, cut us in.
We want it to be equal and fair for all,
So yeah, we'll vote for it.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Yeah, So what's the back what I said? Dave Roberts.
Dave Roberts was not speaking for the organizations and the owners.
He got those talking points right from the players Association.
He got that right from the players. Hey, okay, yeah,
you want that cap, put that cap in. Gotta be
(39:33):
a floor.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Sure.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
By the way, if you want to use a Major
League Baseball or excuse me, the NBA and NFL as
sort of a baseline and how to get this started.
The NFL, each team, the salary floor is ninety percent
of the cap. Oh hekay, eighty nine percent of the
cap for the NBA. So that's how that's how those
two leagues parcel out, parcel out the salary floor eighty
all right.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
So let's let's base it on three hundred million. Okay,
let's just do a quick exercise. What's ninety percent of
three million? Twenty seven nine times three twenty seven?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
Right? Correct?
Speaker 5 (40:08):
Its twenty seven. So the two hundred seventy million dollars
would be the floor.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Oh, there's no way they're gonna go for that. Eighty
percent would be two hundred and forty million with a cap,
make it two fifty, make it to fifty.
Speaker 2 (40:24):
It's ninety percent the floor.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Oh, there is no way they'll go for that, Rodney.
No team spending forty eight million bucks would go for
ninety percent of the cap. They want the cap to
be fifty million dollars.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I was gonna say, oh, they you know they're gonna
go for or the other leagues it was like fifty percent,
sixty percent tops, but ninety percent is the floor.
Speaker 5 (40:50):
So I'm looking at deeper into the NFL. So it's
sort of floating. So it says it's not a strict
per season requirement. Teams must average eighty nine percent of
the cap over a four year period.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Still, that's not going to allow somebody to spend fifty
two million dollars.
Speaker 5 (41:05):
You can never be that low.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
No ever, and listened in.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Our proposal with a cap of three hundred million dollars,
we're saying fifty percent of the cap one hundred and fifty.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, you know what that also means you don't have
to open those those books a little bit more there, Freddy.
That's exactly what it means. We have to figure out, Oh,
so you you cry broke, but I'm looking at your
your revenue right here, and you're not really that broke. Well,
(41:41):
it's all funny money anyway. It's how you write, it's
it's how you write the books.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
What do you write off? What do you account for this.
What do you admortize there? I mean, anybody that's an
accountant knows how to do that. You can mix things
all kind It's like production budgets and TV. Yeah, here's
your money. Well, what happened to it?
Speaker 2 (42:00):
We gave you that? Well, you know, look here here,
look at that line item, Look at this, Look at that.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
This costs more.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Oh we didn't we didn't count. Oh those Cubs T
shirts and hats. Oh we didn't count that. We're supposed
didn't count merchandise. We were supposed to count the merchandise.
Red What do you mean parking? Who counts parking?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yeah, that didn't count.
Speaker 1 (42:24):
Why would anybody count parking? That's how it's done. God, Kevin,
that was great info. Yeah, good stuff, keV that was
great info. Yeah, let's have a cap, no problem, Dodgers
all in the ninety percent of the cap. That's the
(42:44):
floor that will never happen in baseball. Never be careful
what you wish for, because you just might get it. Uh,
next hour, Kevina, get us up on everything that has
happened today with its lit and when we come back,
the Saltier will join us.
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