April 15, 2025 • 44 mins
Jack Harris hops on to talk about the Dodgers coming out of their funk to beat the Rockies last night. Nico Harrison continues to double down on the Luka-AD trade. A reporter for the Braves' broadcast has been getting both praised and criticized for hitting on two fans in Toronto last night.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Do I we continue on Fred Rugan Rodney Pete on
five seventy LA Sports Dallas Maths general manager Nico Harrison
made a fascinating comment just recently, and we are going
to get on that later on in the hour. But
now let's bring on our good friend from the La Times,
Jack Harris, as we get ready for game two of
this series with the Rockies.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Jack, how are you today?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
How are you guys doing well? Jack? Look, last night
it looked good. Then I thought I got a little
dice at the end. What happened? You know?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It was a better overall performance from the offense. They
had a season high ten hits. I think it certainly
helped that they had not just Freddie Freeman back in
the lineup with Mookie Bets and show Heyo Toni. But
all three of them had big games that they missed
some chances to extend the lead obviously, And yeah, I
got a little dicey with the bullpen late, But overall,
Dave Roberts was much happier with the quality of the
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bats he saw, with just the kinds of innings that
the team built.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I thought it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Looked a little bit at least offensively a little bit
closer to kind of what we expected this team to
look like, and having those three eyes at the top
of the lineup was a key reason.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay, Jack, So in the early start of the season,
they get off to a blazing start. I'd said earlier that,
you know, as great a start as it was, there
were a lot of come from behind wins. You know,
it wasn't like they were blowing people out. They got behind,
they came back and did the Dodger heroics like we've
seen it Dodger Stadium happen over and over and over again.
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Then they went through a luh went to Philly, went
to Washington, came back home, the Cubs got after him.
What if early in this season, are there any major
concerns that would concern you if you're a Dodger fan
or is it just chopping it up to part of
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what I said was a little bit of a World
Series fatigue and that they will get it going at
some point. But are there any concerns that you could
see with this? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I think the through line with all of that has
been the offense. Like you said, like even in that
eight and oh start, they weren't really hitting against opposing
starting pitchers. They were kind of having to have these
miracle endings late in games, and I just think generally,
you know, if you look at their numbers across the board,
like they're not hitting for a very high average as
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a team. They've been pretty home run reliant early on,
and a lot of the reason for that is you
have a bunch of guys at the bottom of the
order slumping, and you've been playing without Freddy Freeman for.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Most of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So that's why, while that might be the biggest problem
early on, it's not something that I think has risen
to the level of a long term concern, just because, again,
like you see games like last night, like this is
a team that was built to hit, that has the
personnel to be one of the best offenses in baseball,
and that barring a bunch of injuries, I think what
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you're seeing right now is more just some early season
slumps from guys who had been thrust into bigger roles,
and they're gonna have to play moving forward just because
of the fact that they've been a little bit shorthanded
early on. The one thing it did expose, though, is
that when the Dodgers aren't hitting, they suddenly look a
lot more beatable, right, Like, obviously this was a team
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that prioritized the offense over you know, how the lineup
would look in the field. The outfield defense, I think
is a pretty big question and it's going to remain
so unless Tommy Edmond is playing center on a full
time basis. You know, on the infield, you've seen Mookie Betts,
while he's been better at shortstop, has still had a
couple of plays that should have been made max months.
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He has obviously made a few errors early on this season.
You know, on the pitching staff side, for as much
talent as they have, you know, there's they're still having
to drop in a starter now and again, like we
saw last week with Justin Robleski and Land and Knack,
and you're gonna have Land and Nac starting again tonight
and Lake Snail's on the ellen. I think the one
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thing about this is, while you know, I think you
can still feel pretty confident that this is going to
be a good offensive club, when they're not hitting, it
does expose some of the other weak parts on their roster.
And when they're not hitting, they're not maximizing the way
this team was built, so that's something to watch going forward.
But again, I think as far as a concern, like
I just have a tough time seeing the Dodgers not
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being one of the best offensive clubs in baseball this year,
and as long as those three guys at the top
of the lineup stay healthy and guys like Will Smith
and taoscar Hernandez and Tommy Edmond can can supplement that,
I think you're going to see this look a little
bit more clean going forward.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
A positive note, a high sign of bright spot Dustin May.
I think he has looked good at each of his outings,
and last night I didn't think was any exception.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Jack Yeah, I mean he's been really impressive. You know,
obviously did pitch for almost two years, had the freak
and scary esophagus surgery last year that derailed you know,
his comeback, and he was expecting to be back in
the second half the last year. It didn't happen. I
think the thing that stood out is just the ways
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that he's kind of refined his game. You know, he's
not throwing the ball as hard, but that's on purpose.
He's kind of prioritizing command and control over just trying
to let it rip every single pitch. He's developed this
this sweeper that's really played well off of his sinker.
He can go, you know, either tide to the plate
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with just wicked movement. And I think just overall, you've
seen somebody who's just been a lot more consistent and
these three starts, both in the way he's executing his
pitches and the way he's commanding the baseball, and also
just emotionally. I mean, this was one of the more
fiery mound presence guys, certainly on the Dodgers and maybe
across baseball before he got hurt. And I just think
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you've seen him pitch with a little bit of a
calmer head, pitch with a little bit more emotional control.
You know, he's talked about part of that coming from
the perspective he got after that that esophagus, you know,
emergency service he had last year, and how frightening that was.
So that's been a nice development for the Dodgers. Again,
you know, when we looked at the pitching staff this year,
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there were a bunch of guys that had high ceilings
and the question was going to be how many of
those guys could could pitch at that level, and so
far Dustin May is one of the guys who is
taking that talent that was so tantalizing on paper coming
into the year and turning it into really promising production
over the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah. No, absolutely, And I think that Jack, when you
look at this team last year and and the way
they won, and how well the bullpen, you know, pitched
down the stretch and in the playoffs, it certainly was
a situation where the Dodgers felt like, we can't we
can't make a living at this, so we got to
go out and make sure we secure our pitching staff.
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And they went out and signed several pitchers and and
brought guys in and and to handle the bullpen Tanner
Scott's and and and guys like that. Sazaki, I mean,
added new players to the pitching staff and the bullpen.
How do you see that playing out, because it's you know,
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I know, we talked about the hitting, and the hitting
has pens up far, but how do you see the
pitching so far? And do you see that as the
season goes on that it's still can be one of
the strengths of this team.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, And I think it will be, you know, right now,
the rotations in somewhat of a difficult spot, not just
because it's missing Blake Snell, but because a lot of
those other depth options that we talked about coming into
the year, you know, they don't have at the moment,
guys like Tony Gonsolin, who's on a rehab assignment right now,
Clayton Kershaw, who's still you know, more than a month
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away from from returning. Obviously Shoheo Tani at some point
will be part of the pitching picture, although it doesn't
look like that's going to be at any point in
the near future. So when they do have an injury,
you know, to Blake Snell, they have to scramble a
little bit. Obviously, there's been a lot of work for
the bullpen early this year, as guys like Roki Sasaki
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and some of the other starters they've had have kind
of you know, there's been a lot of short starts
early on, but I think overall, like you've seen the
talent from the bullpen outside of the sixteen nothing game
the other day, that unit's been pretty solid overall, even
with Tanner Scott having some ups and downs early in
the year. The way Yoshinobu Yamamoto has pitched so far,
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I think he's been a really positive sign for the Dodgers.
Is you know that's that's somebody who looks like, at
least early on, he might wind up being one of
the best pitchers in baseball this year. Tyler last now
has been a little bit up and down, but if
you take away you know that rainy inning in Philly,
the results have been pretty good. And you've seen some
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more positive steps from Roki Sasaki over his last couple
of starts too. So I think the pitching has been
pretty good overall so far. And I think again, when
you look at pieces that they're going to have coming back,
some of the guys who they still are going to
be expecting more out of over the course of the season,
it's still a really strong group and deep group and
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one that again, uh, you know, even even as injuries
inevitably come over the course of the year, I think
long term they're going to be in a good place
to kind of weather that kind of stuff and and
and be a pretty good unit on the mound overall.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
All, right, Jack, before we let you go, Clayton Kershaw,
are we going to see him sooner than we thought.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Maybe, you know, he's he's going through an interesting rehab
right now in the sense that his arm is healthy,
he's been able to like he's starting to rehab assignment
this week, and okay, see, the thing is that it's
you know, he had this really unique foot toe surgery
this offseason to his planter plate. You know that he's
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pointed out like not many baseball players have gone through.
So he's kind of just waiting and making sure that
that gets back to one hundred percent. But you know,
the fact that he's not eligible to come back for still,
you know, a little more than a month right now,
and that he's already beginning a rehab assignment is a
good sign. And I think it's going to be interesting. Like,
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you know, for as much as he struggled with injuries
over the last couple of years, right now, what he's
dealing with is not arm related and I'm and I'm
curious to see for a guy who's now had basically
you know, hasn't pitched much in the last year and
a half, should when he comes back, should be pretty
close to one hundred percent health wise, and definitely one
hundred percent with his arm. You know, I'm curious to
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see if he might still be a little bit better
then then people might be banking on because this is
still a guy who even with the menished stuff when
he was pitching through arm injuries over the last couple
of years, was still pretty effective.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And I think, you know, for a team that has
a lot of different options, they obviously don't don't need
Clayton Kershaw to be great when he comes back, But
it's going to be interesting to me to see, you know,
if if he does surprise some people. Just give him
where he's at healthwise right now and how well his
rehabit has progressed here early in the season.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
All right, one final question, if you're a betting man
who pitches first Kershaw or Otani, my.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Money would be on Kershaw there, and I think pretty easily.
You know, Otani still has a lot of boxes to check, Like,
he hasn't been faced hitters yet in a live situation.
He hasn't even gotten cleared to start throwing all of
his pitches and bullpen sessions. So yeah, I think with Otani,
it's pretty clear that between him and the team, there
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was a decision made early on in the spring that
you know what, We're going to slow play you. We
don't need you coming back in May or early June
or whatever the early projections are. We're going to let
your arm rest and heal for as long as possible.
So yeah, I think you know the way it's tracking
right now. Clayton Kershaw is probably going to be available
to come back and ready to come back. It's point
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next month. That is almost certainly not going to be
the case with Otani, so you probably wouldn't have picked
it before the year. But yeah, I think we'll see
twenty two on the mound before we see seventeen.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
All right, Jack, great stuff. Is always really appreciate you
coming on. Yeah, you bet means all right, Jack Harris.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
At the times we'll have the game on the radio
station tonight at seven, the pre game at six. Nico Harrison,
Nico what are you doing? I mean, seriously, what are
you doing? We'll get into that next.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, you are listening to Rogan and Rodney on a
Tuesday and five seventy LA Sports. Let's go Freddie come
on all right, Rodney. So here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Maybe it was a little hard for me say when
I said it earlier, and I didn't mean to be harsh.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yes you did. No, I didn't. I didn't. And I'm
not calling anybody stupid. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
But my old boss, Bob Long, who was really a
funny guy and very bright. He graduated from Yale, he
was our news director for a number of years. He
has passed. He used to say, and that's what he
used to say. He goes, you know, there's two kinds
of people in this world, stupid and aggressively stupid. And
I go, what does that mean, Bob, It's not very nice.
He goes, no, no, no, no, no, don't misunderstand what I'm saying.
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Stupid people just make mistakes. They don't know what they're doing.
Aggressively stupid people keep saying the same thing over and
over even though.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It was a mistake. Okay, So that's what Bob Long said,
and in our many conversations we used to have about
life and our business. So Nico Harrison at this point,
to me, just to me, probably should not continue talking
about the deal that sent Luca to la and Anthony
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Davis to Dallas. Everybody likes AD. Everybody likes AD, so
it's not about AD. And actually it's not really about Luca.
It's about how the deal was made. So he said
the other day, I have no regrets about the decision. Okay,
I get that we wanted a two way player to
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lead our team and that was Anthony Davis, and so
everybody's going to have their critics.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
But we got what we wanted. He still believes the
MAVs are a championship caliber team as long as they
are healthy. Luk is an extremely talented player. We know,
we've all seen he's probably dropped the most points when
he maybe he's not in the best conditioning, so he
can do that.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's not an issue.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
When you make a trade like this, you just have
to really look at it and its totality.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
We're thorough.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
We looked at everything, and again we just felt that
it was in the best instance of our team going forward.
I keep saying this, but defense wins championships. Okay, set
it at the beginning, set it now. That's sort of
the mindset here. And I don't think you can argue
that a good defense team has a shot to win.
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I do not think you can argue that. But it
is abundantly clear to anyone with any eyesight that this
deal was better for the Lakers. I think it's also,
at least in my thinking, as you look at it
long term, clear that Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving are
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not better than Lebron James and Luka Doncic.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And that's when Kyrie is healthy. They're not. So I
understand the defense wins.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I'm comfortable with the deal, But Nico, come on, it's like,
thou'll protest too much. Hey, we made the deal, that's
what we did.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
This was our thought. We don't have to double down,
and we'll see what the future brings. I don't know.
To me, Rodney, it's like too much with him.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Now, he's got to stop because everybody looks at this
and goes, what did you do?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
So? Is he not supposed to answer questions that he
gets from from reporters or from interviews or things like
that when he's asked questions about the deal still just
decline to answer. I'm curious that that's that's the that's
the mode he needs to go into now.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Now I hear what you're saying. No, he doesn't need
to go into that mode. But I don't think he
needs to elaborate quite as much I mean, he's just
got to probably now say this is what we did.
I've gone over it, and we'll see what the future brings.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
That's it, because you can't sit here and keep saying
defense is gonna win. The Lakers can win the championship
this year, Nico.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, but if they don't, Okay, See the Lakers get
bounced in the second round, fair right, beat I think
they beat the timber Wolves. I don't think the timber
Wolves can get them close. So they get bounced in
the second round. You start fresh next year. Yeah, they
don't have the magic that has turned into what this
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season has turned into. You don't know if you're going
to start the same the next season with the kind
of impact like that, the the chip on Luca's shoulder
for being just being traded, the magic that Austin Reeves
has provided in the second half of the season, Lebron's
staying relatively healthy in the second half of the season.
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You don't you those things cannot be guaranteed to start
the next season. So if the Lakers happened to lose
in the second round of the playoffs and then we
see what happens next year, I mean, does he if
the if the Lakers don't go deep is what I'm
saying is, does he get like validated? Is like, well,
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you know we traded and Lakers didn't win. We didn't win,
so you know it's a push or is it like
wait and see for within the next five years who
goes further? And the Lakers won a title with Luca
before the MAVs went a title with ad.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Okay, fair questions. First, there are no guarantees, you're right,
and one of them is Anthony Davis stays healthy for
the entire year. And we don't wish that on anybody,
but it just kind of has been the way it is.
So that's number one. Number two from a business perspective,
the Lakers have already won. From a business perspective, Luca
and Lebron.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
On the same team.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That means more money. It's just business, pure simple business.
We talked about jersey sales yesterday, and certainly Luca coming
to the Lakers helps his jersey sale. But nonetheless, you
have two of the top three guys, and if it's
not Luca, it'll probably be Lebron, Stephan Luca or Steph
Luca and Lebron those three guys are the most jerseys,
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just whatever order you want to put them in. Right,
So from a business perspective, that's helped the Lakers as well.
And if you sit here and you say, well, you know,
let's give it time. There's more excitement about the Lakers
and the MAVs. You say it's la I say fine.
I say there's more excitement about Luca than Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Period.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I say Luca is a bigger attraction than Anthony Davis period.
Not the ad can't play, not that he's not a
great player, but if you had to pay to see one,
you'd pay to see Luca. The Lakers win that part
as well. Now the chemistry with Luca and Lebron has
worked out. It's worked out incredibly well. I didn't think
it would work this well, but it sure has. Are
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they gonna win it this year? I don't know, but
I'll bet you before next year starts, same cast of
characters returns.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But do you think the Lakers have a better chance
next year to win it than the MAVs? I will
go as far to say, as long as this remains
the way, it is a d Kyrie, Luca, Lebron Oh,
we have Austin ree Kee Lebron back the other year,
so we're gonna say that. Yeah, I had to rethink it,
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so okay, pairing look Lebron Kyrie a d I would
venture to say every year the Lakers will have a
better chance to win the the Mavericks every year that
it just.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Stays this way. So I understand defense wins championships. That
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
But you can't really sit here and continue to defend
this thing in the way you're doing it because no
one's buying it. And maybe in five years everybody will
look like a fool. I'm betting they won't.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But don't you got to keep saying it? If you're Nico,
I mean, don't you keep saying it? And what I
don't like? First of all, I don't like that he's
on an island. You know what.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I've already answered your questions. I have nothing new to add.
We've talked about it. Now let's focus on this Mavericks team.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Let's fuck you know, that doesn't fly. That doesn't fly,
But that's what he should say. I know, but that
doesn't fly. You know that and this this world it's
not that does not fly? But he is getting absolutely
no support from anybody within the MAVs organization higher than him.
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That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, that he's not getting any support, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, you wonder, you know how how much did they say, hey,
this one's on you do it. If you feel you
got to do it, you do it, but you got
to own it, or did they did he go to
them and said, and it was a collective decision to say,
we're going to do that. We're going to make this
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move because it feels like they are they are washing
their hands of Nico and letting him die on that line.
And we're not going to support you because if you're
an owner, if you're an owner and you're behind this, yeah, right, yeah,
and this was something that you did, I can't. I mean,
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if you're worth anything, you're not gonna let your guy
die out there alone. You're gonna say it. As an organization,
I'm gonna say this once and for all. You come
out and you nip it in the buck, like you said,
he shouldn't say anything. But if you're the owner, you
come out and you say, I'm gonna nip this in
the butt right now. As an organization, we felt this
was the best move for us going forward. Period. You
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can blame Nico all you want, but we collectively decided
to make this move, period and let that be the
end of it. But we haven't heard that, and it's
a shame if it was a collective decision that they
haven't said that and just allowed him to kind of
die on that vine.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Kevin, correct me if I'm wrong. When the Lakers moved Shack,
didn't Jerry bus accept responsibility for you?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Owned it?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, Jerry, he owned that over Mitch Cubjack.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
He did not throw Mitch under the bus and said
this was in the best interest of the organization was
to move Shack.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yes, he did. Jerry own that, owned that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So in this scenario with Nico, because here's what's gonna happen,
because now there's only one one thing that can happen,
quite honestly, and maybe Nico will be the fall guy
or Nico will take the bullet. I'm I assure you.
If it was Nico that sent Ad to the Lakers
and the Lakers sent Luca to Dallas, this would be
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an entirely different story for Nico. But it's the opposite.
He sent the big star, the biggest name away, one
of the top players in the game. So here's what
has to happen. Nico gets the off season. Everybody catches
their breath soon however it all plays out. Will Lakers
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win it, Lakers go deep, Lakers get eliminated. Whatever, Now
we start fresh. Now, Nico's on the clock, right here,
and right now, Niko's He's on the clock. He's on
the clock. And Okay, Nico, you have the off season,
this is your team. What are you gonna do. Let's
get started. First of all, people are pissed. They probably
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some will not renew their tickets. It was a very
bad business decision for the Mavericks. Granted they don't have
to pay him three hundred million dollars, which turned out
to be a very good business decision for the Mavericks.
But obviously the market is not pleased. So if they
get you're telling me, so, you're telling me, we made
a collective decision.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I'm Nico. Now, we made a collective decision. We all
sat down, we all weighed the pros and cons. You know,
Michael Finley's in that group, right, Michael Finley's in that organization.
He's the one that took the beer away from from Luca.
He probably was a guy that was voicing a strong
opposition to keeping him. Yep, you know, I just got
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to believe that because he was outspoken and like I said,
he's the one that visibly took the beer away from
after the game. Yes, So if you're telling me that, collectively,
as an organization, we decided to make this move, which
is a move that could set us back a few years. Right,
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even though we got Anthony Davis and we don't know
if he can stay healthy. If he does and Kyrie
stays healthy, we got a shot, but we still got
to add some pieces. We got to make sure that
we're right. So you're telling me, after we collectively made
this decision, you're giving me one off season and one
year to get us to the finals or win it. Well,
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I'm not even saying to the otherwise, I'm out. Otherwise
I'm the one out. I'm the one out. Correct. That's
the only way to say face, that's your only way
to get And you're saying that, Huh, if you're the organization,
you're saying that that's the only way they say face. Well,
we got to do something here. People are upset and
we made a mistake. Somebody's got to get it. It's
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the old somebody's always got to get it. That's when
somebody doesn't got to get it. If you're you're the
owner and you do the Jerry Buss world and you said, look,
we made that decision, right, this guy's it looks bad.
Just remember that because Shaq went to Miami and they
won it, so he got rid of Shaq owned it.
Shaq goes to Miami, they win the title, just much
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like if Luca and Lebron they win the title this year,
it could look the similar similar ways to what Shaq left.
See I won a title right now, well how do
you now? How do you look getting rid of me? Right?
They didn't panic. No, they went out and got Palca
sal and added to Kobe and built around him, and
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they went up and came back and won two more
right right, So that to me, that's how organizations should work.
Not put okay, Mitch cup check, you're on the clock.
Next year, you're on the clock. Shaq went to Miami
and won it. You got two thousand and five, that's it. Boom,
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you don't win it, you're out. I don't even know
if it'll make it all year. To be honest with you,
I know, but that's terrible.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
It's awful. Well wait, there's a difference between is it
awful and could it happen? Yeah, it's awful. It makes
no sense. But you see, somebody's gotta get it always,
and hey, we screwed this up.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
The people are mad. They might not. Nobody got it
in la when when they moved because Jerry's Behen was
more popular than wait wait, can you we do you
agree that Shaq was more popular than Kobe? If I do,
by a smidge. It was close, and Jerry Buss picked Kobe,
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he picked for the future. Sack was way more popular. Fred,
that's not that's really go back. Kobe had the locker
room incident, Kobe had the situations going on. Shaq was
out there, gregarious. People loved Shaq. They loved him. It
was the big jolly bear, right, And when they got
rid of him, there was a big backlog of did
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they make the right decision to get rid of the
right guy. Yes, so it worked out. It worked out.
So now it looks back, you look back and go, yeah,
they made the right decision. But at that time, I
remember that time, there was a lot of people that
did not like the Lakers for getting rid of Shack, And.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I thought they made the right Back then, I thought
they made the right move. They went younger, and they
went with someone who would not have been prone to
injury as much Kaushak had heard. Uh So I thought
they made the right move. But yeah, it was polarizing
in the city. I don't disagree with you. But Jerry
bust stood up and said, this one's on me.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's go right.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So my point is nobody had to get it nobody.
But guy didn't do that in Dallas, he said, which.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Is the problem. Which is the problem. This is the
problem with the ownership in Dallas. To me, fine him,
it's not an ECO because he didn't operate isolated and
say I'm gonna do there's on my own. There's no
way you get rid of Luca Dantis in Dallas if
you're by yourself. See, I'm gonna make this decision on
the dead of night, and we're gonna move on. I'm
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gonna own it. Now. He is owning it, and he's
falling on the sword for it, which is a shame
because the ownership in Dallas is weak. Weak. They are
no Jerry Buss, which was the best owner of all
of sports ever.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Jerry, you're right, you're on a hundred percent right. It
doesn't eliminate what will probably happen, but you're one hundred
percent right. Somebody's got to get it. Somebody will get it,
and the owner is not gonna fire himself. So that's
why you have Nico Harrison on an island right now.
He's just out there and currently there are no rescue
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ships coming. If somehow this turns around on the average
all of a sudden, come out of the blocks next
year and oh my god, he was right, they're number
one in the league in defense and they've won fifteen
straight games, then you'll see a little think he's going
out there to rescue him. They'll send a boat out
to get him. But if they come out and they're
a marginal or average team, and in worst case, the
Lakers start rolling over people, there's no there's no boat
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coming to get them.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Bagging and praying the Lakers get bounced and don't go
because if the Lakers get even to the Western Conference Finals,
I don't know if he even makes it to next year.
That's my point. Yeah, he is he ever going to
admit that. No, of course not. You think deep in
his heart, in the back of his mind, he's not going. Please,
dear God.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mean, you can win one playoff series, that's great,
but you got to get knocked out. Yeah, you've got
to get knocked out. And by the way, here's another thing.
You can't be the primetime game every time. You can't
be the primetime game with them building up Lebron and
Luca together, with everything built around those two on a
national level. The one thing we can't have is that
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I need you to play at seven point thirty on
NBA TV. Yes, and nobody knows. I need you to
be on your local cable channel. I don't need you
to be the TNT game of the week and the
ESP and an ABC game of the week. The Lakers
are the Saturday night primetime.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Game, yes, every week.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Nico doesn't want that. Nico doesn't need that. That's a problem.
That's a business thing.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It's gone from well, Lucas fat and drinks too much
beer and smokes hookah two. This impacts business now, that's
that's the issue, and that's what wasn't considered here. It
impacts business. He impacted the business. There will be fallout
from that. And when that happens, no matter whose call
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it is, somebody's going to get it, just as Byron
ask Byron Scott. Oh ask Byron Scott, our buddy, Byron
Scott when he was coaching the Lakers and Mitch and
Jim Buss told them, this is going to take a while.
We know it's going to be difficult. We know we're
not gonna win a lot. Can you handle that? And
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Byron's correct response was can you handle that? And their
answer was yes, we can, Yes, we can do it. Byron,
we know we're putting you in an impossible position.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yes we can. We got you. And then they got them,
because somebody's always got to get it. Then they fired him.
They didn't keep their word. And Jerry would have never
done it. Never, he never would have done that. Okay,
So we got some trouble here. Happened during an Atlanta
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Braves game. We got to talk about it. Oh yeah,
Roddy bet Fred Rogan on a Tuesday, Jackie Robinson Day
out at the stadium tonight. Everybody, everybody in Major League
Baseball wearing number forty two today, remember the legacy, Remember
the man, Remember the family. Hard to believe. Rachel Robinson
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is one hundred and one years old. Can you imagine? Unbelievable?
Still looks good, still moving around, still doing a thing.
One hundred and one and two. I believe in July.
If you're still moving around and everything is good, why
the hell not?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Exactly where are you going? If you're still enjoying yourself
and things are okay? Yeah, it's number, just a number,
It really is. Except when I wake up on my
knee hurts, then that's a different story. Or you sleep
the wrong way you sleep? When did I twist my ankle?
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I don't even remember doing that.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
You wake up? Why is my shoulder? What did I
do last night? That my shoulder is killing me? Yeah?
Wake up with strange things.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Some people can appreciate this now and others will down
the road. When you wake up, get up, walk around,
Look in the mirror, My god, where did that bruise
come from?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Right? What happened? Yes? Yes, what happened? Why is that
black and blue? Right there? I don't know what what
did I do? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Not everybody's going to get it now, but everybody gets
it eventually.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
They all know what that means down the line. Oh
my gosh, yeah, it's crazy. It is crazy. Okay, So
here's the situation. Tell me what you think. During an
Atlanta Braves game there Atlanta, Toronto. As a matter of fact,
it was last night in Toronto, right in Toronto. Yeah,
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so the brave sideline reporter or the reporter the Christmas
There a sideline reporter in Watson, right, there's a sideline reporter.
All right, this is Wiley back, not Kristen Watson's reporter,
a sideline report. Yeah yeah, yeah, not her. Yeah okay,
good uh Wiley Badwark And some people, you know, everybody
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has their own unique way of doing this. Some guys
are funny, some some people are right down the middle.
But Wiley's kind of a personality and he does this
segment called the field Report. So what he did He
interviewed two fans in attendance.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay, but uh, fans at home quickly discovered that Monday
segment was far from a normal fan interview. So the
fans he interviewed were Lauren and Kayla. Well, here, let's
just listen to it.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
We had a lot of fun out here. Off the
coroner rooftop, who do we got you wish your name,
my name is Lauren Laurence, all right, and I'm Kayla Kayla.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
And you guys hanging out the rooftop lounge.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Often once a year I come out to visit.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Okay, we timed it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
All right? Good?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
How are you guys feeling roof for the Braves today?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I'm hoping for the best. What about you? Are you
brais fan?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Now? Not? Quiet? Well?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Quiet, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to work
up here, guys, come luck the rest.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Of the way.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Okay, Wiley, we got five innings, four innings to get
the numbers.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Come on, come on, come on, get us some more
Bras fans.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
All right, So they want me to get your number,
they want you to get I'm dead serious, they're saying
to my right now, I shouln't believe me because she
thinks you guys are are not making this up. Even
if you guys weren't, I might use that in the future.
That's a actually pretty good move. This is unbelievable. So
the best part of this right now is that Wiley
could totally be faking and this might be the new move.
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You just walk around with a fan duel microphone and
an earpiece in and convinced fans that they're actually on TV.
I should have thought of this years ago. I am speechless.
I got the number.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
We're good, okay, And in the video you can see
her giving him the number. All right, Rodney, before I
tell you what happened, what do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Freddy? Freddy, I am not touching this with a ten
foot pole. I'm gonna tell you that right now. I
am not touching this with a ten foot pole because
this is this has turned into something that is extremely polarizing,
and it is gender based, and I really don't know
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because it was it was I think a lot of
it was tongue in cheek and I think of a
lot of it it was just having fun. He does this, right,
He goes into stands and he interviews people and has
fun with people and all that kind of stuff. Right, Yeah,
so you know, and he but they received a lot
of you should preface this, right, because they received a
lot of backlash. Well that's I was going to say
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that after what do you think? Right? So I'm not
going to get into you know, because I've seen it
and I understand, and I understand both sides of it,
and and it's the women feel a certain way and
men are defending it, you know, And I understand. I
understand a woman's point of view saying that if she
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were the if it was like you mentioned, you said,
Kirsten Watson for the Dodgers, and she was in the
stands with a couple of guys who were feeling pretty
good in the stands and they were egging her on
to get those guys' numbers, it would have been a
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different point of view. It would have been a different
reaction than Wiley up there with two girls saying, hey,
they're telling me to get your number. I get it.
It's a double standard. Like you know, we don't often
like to talk about it because it's uncomfortable, just like
we just talked about with Jackie Robinson and what he
went through and in the fifties forties, in that time,
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in that era of just being a black man trying
to play baseball and you can't just do that because
people come at you because of your race or gender.
And this is similar. And so I get the response
from a lot of female reporters that have weighed in
on this I understand it because we do live in
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a double standard world.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Well here's the thing, what do you think, Freddie, Right,
what do you think about I'll just play up what
you said. Uh, these guys are goofing around, right, These
are guys yucking it up. These are guys in the
bar just like, hey, you got a number. Yeah, that's
pretty funny. Okay, you got four innings. They're going to
work now, Joey. You know that's what they're doing. Uh
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is it appropriate? Is it appropriate in today's world in
that venue? Probably not? Probably not. I could understand why
women or whoever felt the way they did. Don't objectify us,
don't do that.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
We're here and we're having a game. We're at the game,
we're enjoying ourselves. Don't objectify us. And I understand why
they would feel that way because after working at NBC
for so many years, and these are the kinds of
things we would deal with in local news all the
time and stories. Colin Calhurd always said, you know what,
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he's not an easy guy to offend. You know what's offensive.
What's offensive is if someone is offended. If you're offended,
then that was offensive. If you're not offended. It wasn't offensive.
That's how he that's how he explains these things, and
to a degree, it's right. Did these guys think they
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were offending them? No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
They thought they were goofing around and everybody's laughing it
up and yucking it up and having a great time.
Were they offended? Yeah, okay, it was offensive. Now, how
do you walk that line? It's very difficult. It's very difficult,
and there's two trains of thought. First, just be a
(41:06):
good person, man, woman, Be a good person, Be respectful.
That's one way to look at it, and probably a
fair way to look at it. Now you might also say, well, yeah,
but that's just kind of living your life in a
sterile way. You've got to be careful of anything you
say to anybody to any moment because it could be
taken out of context.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
But that's that's a problem though, because you know, we
do we do live in a sensitive world where people
will take things to the extreme right side or left side.
They'll they'll take them all the way to extreme and
it could be, like you said, just a genuine moment
by the guys an announcer and the guy that does
the whole wacky, go into the stands and interview people,
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and you come across some of them someone that's attractive,
and they say, and he's a single guy, and they're
a single woman, and oh, get her number, get a number, man.
You know, you guys should date. And that's no, there's
no like ill will or sexism or anything going on.
It's just a moment that hey, we're having fun in
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between innings. Go yeah, get her number. She's flirting with you, man,
go get her number. And that's all it could have
been for those guys. And I'm sure it was. They
didn't think anything that it was offensive. And if it
was reversed and the reaction of the women were they're
right in their response, because had it been a woman
that went out there in the stands and was around
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two guys and the guys were hitting on her and
she was flirting with them, then she would have got
called every name in the book. She would have got called,
you know, the H word, this word, the S word,
all those things. And you know, how is she on
the air. She's nothing but a blah blah blah, And
everybody would have went to her Instagram and see what
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kind of pictures she put up and it would have
been a crazy thing. So the women that responded to
this were absolutely right, just like you know the infamous
bus incident, Fred that had there been a woman on
a bus saying grab him by the appendage, the outpour
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and it would have been absolutely no brainer, overdone, shut down,
never happened, He closed everything down, fire, everybody. Everybody's on
leave now because we had no chance to win. I mean,
it's just the way it is. And so what bothers
me is that we still live in that world that
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thinks everything's equal and everything's good and all people are
the same, and there's no sexism, there's no racism, there's
no any of that. But yet there is, because again
they're right. If a woman was out there, she would
have been called a slut, she would have been called
a hoe, she would have been called all kinds of names.
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If she's out there soliciting the guy's number. It's just
the way it is now. I don't think these guys
had any kind of ill of tent or anything like that.
I think they were just having fun, I really do.
But the women's response is also right too.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Okay, when we come back, let's read visit what we
saw last night watching the Dodger game, and what else
I saw last night
Do I we continue on Fred Rugan Rodney Pete on
five seventy LA Sports Dallas Maths general manager Nico Harrison
made a fascinating comment just recently, and we are going
to get on that later on in the hour. But
now let's bring on our good friend from the La Times,
Jack Harris, as we get ready for game two of
this series with the Rockies.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Jack, how are you today?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
How are you guys doing well? Jack? Look, last night
it looked good. Then I thought I got a little
dice at the end. What happened? You know?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
It was a better overall performance from the offense. They
had a season high ten hits. I think it certainly
helped that they had not just Freddie Freeman back in
the lineup with Mookie Bets and show Heyo Toni. But
all three of them had big games that they missed
some chances to extend the lead obviously, And yeah, I
got a little dicey with the bullpen late, But overall,
Dave Roberts was much happier with the quality of the
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bats he saw, with just the kinds of innings that
the team built.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I thought it.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Looked a little bit at least offensively a little bit
closer to kind of what we expected this team to
look like, and having those three eyes at the top
of the lineup was a key reason.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Okay, Jack, So in the early start of the season,
they get off to a blazing start. I'd said earlier that,
you know, as great a start as it was, there
were a lot of come from behind wins. You know,
it wasn't like they were blowing people out. They got behind,
they came back and did the Dodger heroics like we've
seen it Dodger Stadium happen over and over and over again.
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Then they went through a luh went to Philly, went
to Washington, came back home, the Cubs got after him.
What if early in this season, are there any major
concerns that would concern you if you're a Dodger fan
or is it just chopping it up to part of
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what I said was a little bit of a World
Series fatigue and that they will get it going at
some point. But are there any concerns that you could
see with this? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
I think the through line with all of that has
been the offense. Like you said, like even in that
eight and oh start, they weren't really hitting against opposing
starting pitchers. They were kind of having to have these
miracle endings late in games, and I just think generally,
you know, if you look at their numbers across the board,
like they're not hitting for a very high average as
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a team. They've been pretty home run reliant early on,
and a lot of the reason for that is you
have a bunch of guys at the bottom of the
order slumping, and you've been playing without Freddy Freeman for.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Most of the year.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
So that's why, while that might be the biggest problem
early on, it's not something that I think has risen
to the level of a long term concern, just because, again,
like you see games like last night, like this is
a team that was built to hit, that has the
personnel to be one of the best offenses in baseball,
and that barring a bunch of injuries, I think what
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you're seeing right now is more just some early season
slumps from guys who had been thrust into bigger roles,
and they're gonna have to play moving forward just because
of the fact that they've been a little bit shorthanded
early on. The one thing it did expose, though, is
that when the Dodgers aren't hitting, they suddenly look a
lot more beatable, right, Like, obviously this was a team
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that prioritized the offense over you know, how the lineup
would look in the field. The outfield defense, I think
is a pretty big question and it's going to remain
so unless Tommy Edmond is playing center on a full
time basis. You know, on the infield, you've seen Mookie Betts,
while he's been better at shortstop, has still had a
couple of plays that should have been made max months.
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He has obviously made a few errors early on this season.
You know, on the pitching staff side, for as much
talent as they have, you know, there's they're still having
to drop in a starter now and again, like we
saw last week with Justin Robleski and Land and Knack,
and you're gonna have Land and Nac starting again tonight
and Lake Snail's on the ellen. I think the one
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thing about this is, while you know, I think you
can still feel pretty confident that this is going to
be a good offensive club, when they're not hitting, it
does expose some of the other weak parts on their roster.
And when they're not hitting, they're not maximizing the way
this team was built, so that's something to watch going forward.
But again, I think as far as a concern, like
I just have a tough time seeing the Dodgers not
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being one of the best offensive clubs in baseball this year,
and as long as those three guys at the top
of the lineup stay healthy and guys like Will Smith
and taoscar Hernandez and Tommy Edmond can can supplement that,
I think you're going to see this look a little
bit more clean going forward.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
A positive note, a high sign of bright spot Dustin May.
I think he has looked good at each of his outings,
and last night I didn't think was any exception.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Jack Yeah, I mean he's been really impressive. You know,
obviously did pitch for almost two years, had the freak
and scary esophagus surgery last year that derailed you know,
his comeback, and he was expecting to be back in
the second half the last year. It didn't happen. I
think the thing that stood out is just the ways
(05:04):
that he's kind of refined his game. You know, he's
not throwing the ball as hard, but that's on purpose.
He's kind of prioritizing command and control over just trying
to let it rip every single pitch. He's developed this
this sweeper that's really played well off of his sinker.
He can go, you know, either tide to the plate
(05:25):
with just wicked movement. And I think just overall, you've
seen somebody who's just been a lot more consistent and
these three starts, both in the way he's executing his
pitches and the way he's commanding the baseball, and also
just emotionally. I mean, this was one of the more
fiery mound presence guys, certainly on the Dodgers and maybe
across baseball before he got hurt. And I just think
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you've seen him pitch with a little bit of a
calmer head, pitch with a little bit more emotional control.
You know, he's talked about part of that coming from
the perspective he got after that that esophagus, you know,
emergency service he had last year, and how frightening that was.
So that's been a nice development for the Dodgers. Again,
you know, when we looked at the pitching staff this year,
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there were a bunch of guys that had high ceilings
and the question was going to be how many of
those guys could could pitch at that level, and so
far Dustin May is one of the guys who is
taking that talent that was so tantalizing on paper coming
into the year and turning it into really promising production
over the first couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Yeah. No, absolutely, And I think that Jack, when you
look at this team last year and and the way
they won, and how well the bullpen, you know, pitched
down the stretch and in the playoffs, it certainly was
a situation where the Dodgers felt like, we can't we
can't make a living at this, so we got to
go out and make sure we secure our pitching staff.
(06:47):
And they went out and signed several pitchers and and
brought guys in and and to handle the bullpen Tanner
Scott's and and and guys like that. Sazaki, I mean,
added new players to the pitching staff and the bullpen.
How do you see that playing out, because it's you know,
(07:08):
I know, we talked about the hitting, and the hitting
has pens up far, but how do you see the
pitching so far? And do you see that as the
season goes on that it's still can be one of
the strengths of this team.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, And I think it will be, you know, right now,
the rotations in somewhat of a difficult spot, not just
because it's missing Blake Snell, but because a lot of
those other depth options that we talked about coming into
the year, you know, they don't have at the moment,
guys like Tony Gonsolin, who's on a rehab assignment right now,
Clayton Kershaw, who's still you know, more than a month
(07:45):
away from from returning. Obviously Shoheo Tani at some point
will be part of the pitching picture, although it doesn't
look like that's going to be at any point in
the near future. So when they do have an injury,
you know, to Blake Snell, they have to scramble a
little bit. Obviously, there's been a lot of work for
the bullpen early this year, as guys like Roki Sasaki
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and some of the other starters they've had have kind
of you know, there's been a lot of short starts
early on, but I think overall, like you've seen the
talent from the bullpen outside of the sixteen nothing game
the other day, that unit's been pretty solid overall, even
with Tanner Scott having some ups and downs early in
the year. The way Yoshinobu Yamamoto has pitched so far,
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I think he's been a really positive sign for the Dodgers.
Is you know that's that's somebody who looks like, at
least early on, he might wind up being one of
the best pitchers in baseball this year. Tyler last now
has been a little bit up and down, but if
you take away you know that rainy inning in Philly,
the results have been pretty good. And you've seen some
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more positive steps from Roki Sasaki over his last couple
of starts too. So I think the pitching has been
pretty good overall so far. And I think again, when
you look at pieces that they're going to have coming back,
some of the guys who they still are going to
be expecting more out of over the course of the season,
it's still a really strong group and deep group and
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one that again, uh, you know, even even as injuries
inevitably come over the course of the year, I think
long term they're going to be in a good place
to kind of weather that kind of stuff and and
and be a pretty good unit on the mound overall.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
All, right, Jack, before we let you go, Clayton Kershaw,
are we going to see him sooner than we thought.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Maybe, you know, he's he's going through an interesting rehab
right now in the sense that his arm is healthy,
he's been able to like he's starting to rehab assignment
this week, and okay, see, the thing is that it's
you know, he had this really unique foot toe surgery
this offseason to his planter plate. You know that he's
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pointed out like not many baseball players have gone through.
So he's kind of just waiting and making sure that
that gets back to one hundred percent. But you know,
the fact that he's not eligible to come back for still,
you know, a little more than a month right now,
and that he's already beginning a rehab assignment is a
good sign. And I think it's going to be interesting. Like,
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you know, for as much as he struggled with injuries
over the last couple of years, right now, what he's
dealing with is not arm related and I'm and I'm
curious to see for a guy who's now had basically
you know, hasn't pitched much in the last year and
a half, should when he comes back, should be pretty
close to one hundred percent health wise, and definitely one
hundred percent with his arm. You know, I'm curious to
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see if he might still be a little bit better
then then people might be banking on because this is
still a guy who even with the menished stuff when
he was pitching through arm injuries over the last couple
of years, was still pretty effective.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
And I think, you know, for a team that has
a lot of different options, they obviously don't don't need
Clayton Kershaw to be great when he comes back, But
it's going to be interesting to me to see, you know,
if if he does surprise some people. Just give him
where he's at healthwise right now and how well his
rehabit has progressed here early in the season.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
All right, one final question, if you're a betting man
who pitches first Kershaw or Otani, my.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
Money would be on Kershaw there, and I think pretty easily.
You know, Otani still has a lot of boxes to check, Like,
he hasn't been faced hitters yet in a live situation.
He hasn't even gotten cleared to start throwing all of
his pitches and bullpen sessions. So yeah, I think with Otani,
it's pretty clear that between him and the team, there
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was a decision made early on in the spring that
you know what, We're going to slow play you. We
don't need you coming back in May or early June
or whatever the early projections are. We're going to let
your arm rest and heal for as long as possible.
So yeah, I think you know the way it's tracking
right now. Clayton Kershaw is probably going to be available
to come back and ready to come back. It's point
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next month. That is almost certainly not going to be
the case with Otani, so you probably wouldn't have picked
it before the year. But yeah, I think we'll see
twenty two on the mound before we see seventeen.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
All right, Jack, great stuff. Is always really appreciate you
coming on. Yeah, you bet means all right, Jack Harris.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
At the times we'll have the game on the radio
station tonight at seven, the pre game at six. Nico Harrison,
Nico what are you doing? I mean, seriously, what are
you doing? We'll get into that next.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
Yeah, you are listening to Rogan and Rodney on a
Tuesday and five seventy LA Sports. Let's go Freddie come
on all right, Rodney. So here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Maybe it was a little hard for me say when
I said it earlier, and I didn't mean to be harsh.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yes you did. No, I didn't. I didn't. And I'm
not calling anybody stupid. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
But my old boss, Bob Long, who was really a
funny guy and very bright. He graduated from Yale, he
was our news director for a number of years. He
has passed. He used to say, and that's what he
used to say. He goes, you know, there's two kinds
of people in this world, stupid and aggressively stupid. And
I go, what does that mean, Bob, It's not very nice.
He goes, no, no, no, no, no, don't misunderstand what I'm saying.
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Stupid people just make mistakes. They don't know what they're doing.
Aggressively stupid people keep saying the same thing over and
over even though.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It was a mistake. Okay, So that's what Bob Long said,
and in our many conversations we used to have about
life and our business. So Nico Harrison at this point,
to me, just to me, probably should not continue talking
about the deal that sent Luca to la and Anthony
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Davis to Dallas. Everybody likes AD. Everybody likes AD, so
it's not about AD. And actually it's not really about Luca.
It's about how the deal was made. So he said
the other day, I have no regrets about the decision. Okay,
I get that we wanted a two way player to
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lead our team and that was Anthony Davis, and so
everybody's going to have their critics.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
But we got what we wanted. He still believes the
MAVs are a championship caliber team as long as they
are healthy. Luk is an extremely talented player. We know,
we've all seen he's probably dropped the most points when
he maybe he's not in the best conditioning, so he
can do that.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's not an issue.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
When you make a trade like this, you just have
to really look at it and its totality.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
We're thorough.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
We looked at everything, and again we just felt that
it was in the best instance of our team going forward.
I keep saying this, but defense wins championships. Okay, set
it at the beginning, set it now. That's sort of
the mindset here. And I don't think you can argue
that a good defense team has a shot to win.
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I do not think you can argue that. But it
is abundantly clear to anyone with any eyesight that this
deal was better for the Lakers. I think it's also,
at least in my thinking, as you look at it
long term, clear that Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving are
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not better than Lebron James and Luka Doncic.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And that's when Kyrie is healthy. They're not. So I
understand the defense wins.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
I'm comfortable with the deal, But Nico, come on, it's like,
thou'll protest too much. Hey, we made the deal, that's
what we did.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
This was our thought. We don't have to double down,
and we'll see what the future brings. I don't know.
To me, Rodney, it's like too much with him.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Now, he's got to stop because everybody looks at this
and goes, what did you do?
Speaker 2 (16:03):
So? Is he not supposed to answer questions that he
gets from from reporters or from interviews or things like
that when he's asked questions about the deal still just
decline to answer. I'm curious that that's that's the that's
the mode he needs to go into now.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Now I hear what you're saying. No, he doesn't need
to go into that mode. But I don't think he
needs to elaborate quite as much I mean, he's just
got to probably now say this is what we did.
I've gone over it, and we'll see what the future brings.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
That's it, because you can't sit here and keep saying
defense is gonna win. The Lakers can win the championship
this year, Nico.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Okay, but if they don't, Okay, See the Lakers get
bounced in the second round, fair right, beat I think
they beat the timber Wolves. I don't think the timber
Wolves can get them close. So they get bounced in
the second round. You start fresh next year. Yeah, they
don't have the magic that has turned into what this
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season has turned into. You don't know if you're going
to start the same the next season with the kind
of impact like that, the the chip on Luca's shoulder
for being just being traded, the magic that Austin Reeves
has provided in the second half of the season, Lebron's
staying relatively healthy in the second half of the season.
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You don't you those things cannot be guaranteed to start
the next season. So if the Lakers happened to lose
in the second round of the playoffs and then we
see what happens next year, I mean, does he if
the if the Lakers don't go deep is what I'm
saying is, does he get like validated? Is like, well,
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you know we traded and Lakers didn't win. We didn't win,
so you know it's a push or is it like
wait and see for within the next five years who
goes further? And the Lakers won a title with Luca
before the MAVs went a title with ad.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Okay, fair questions. First, there are no guarantees, you're right,
and one of them is Anthony Davis stays healthy for
the entire year. And we don't wish that on anybody,
but it just kind of has been the way it is.
So that's number one. Number two from a business perspective,
the Lakers have already won. From a business perspective, Luca
and Lebron.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
On the same team.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That means more money. It's just business, pure simple business.
We talked about jersey sales yesterday, and certainly Luca coming
to the Lakers helps his jersey sale. But nonetheless, you
have two of the top three guys, and if it's
not Luca, it'll probably be Lebron, Stephan Luca or Steph
Luca and Lebron those three guys are the most jerseys,
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just whatever order you want to put them in. Right,
So from a business perspective, that's helped the Lakers as well.
And if you sit here and you say, well, you know,
let's give it time. There's more excitement about the Lakers
and the MAVs. You say it's la I say fine.
I say there's more excitement about Luca than Anthony Davis.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
Period.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I say Luca is a bigger attraction than Anthony Davis period.
Not the ad can't play, not that he's not a
great player, but if you had to pay to see one,
you'd pay to see Luca. The Lakers win that part
as well. Now the chemistry with Luca and Lebron has
worked out. It's worked out incredibly well. I didn't think
it would work this well, but it sure has. Are
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they gonna win it this year? I don't know, but
I'll bet you before next year starts, same cast of
characters returns.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
But do you think the Lakers have a better chance
next year to win it than the MAVs? I will
go as far to say, as long as this remains
the way, it is a d Kyrie, Luca, Lebron Oh,
we have Austin ree Kee Lebron back the other year,
so we're gonna say that. Yeah, I had to rethink it,
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so okay, pairing look Lebron Kyrie a d I would
venture to say every year the Lakers will have a
better chance to win the the Mavericks every year that
it just.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Stays this way. So I understand defense wins championships. That
makes sense.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
But you can't really sit here and continue to defend
this thing in the way you're doing it because no
one's buying it. And maybe in five years everybody will
look like a fool. I'm betting they won't.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
But don't you got to keep saying it? If you're Nico,
I mean, don't you keep saying it? And what I
don't like? First of all, I don't like that he's
on an island. You know what.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
I've already answered your questions. I have nothing new to add.
We've talked about it. Now let's focus on this Mavericks team.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Let's fuck you know, that doesn't fly. That doesn't fly,
But that's what he should say. I know, but that
doesn't fly. You know that and this this world it's
not that does not fly? But he is getting absolutely
no support from anybody within the MAVs organization higher than him.
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That's interesting.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah, that he's not getting any support, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, you wonder, you know how how much did they say, hey,
this one's on you do it. If you feel you
got to do it, you do it, but you got
to own it, or did they did he go to
them and said, and it was a collective decision to say,
we're going to do that. We're going to make this
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move because it feels like they are they are washing
their hands of Nico and letting him die on that line.
And we're not going to support you because if you're
an owner, if you're an owner and you're behind this, yeah, right, yeah,
and this was something that you did, I can't. I mean,
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if you're worth anything, you're not gonna let your guy
die out there alone. You're gonna say it. As an organization,
I'm gonna say this once and for all. You come
out and you nip it in the buck, like you said,
he shouldn't say anything. But if you're the owner, you
come out and you say, I'm gonna nip this in
the butt right now. As an organization, we felt this
was the best move for us going forward. Period. You
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can blame Nico all you want, but we collectively decided
to make this move, period and let that be the
end of it. But we haven't heard that, and it's
a shame if it was a collective decision that they
haven't said that and just allowed him to kind of
die on that vine.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Kevin, correct me if I'm wrong. When the Lakers moved Shack,
didn't Jerry bus accept responsibility for you?
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Owned it?
Speaker 4 (22:51):
Yeah, Jerry, he owned that over Mitch Cubjack.
Speaker 5 (22:53):
He did not throw Mitch under the bus and said
this was in the best interest of the organization was
to move Shack.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yes, he did. Jerry own that, owned that. Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
So in this scenario with Nico, because here's what's gonna happen,
because now there's only one one thing that can happen,
quite honestly, and maybe Nico will be the fall guy
or Nico will take the bullet. I'm I assure you.
If it was Nico that sent Ad to the Lakers
and the Lakers sent Luca to Dallas, this would be
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an entirely different story for Nico. But it's the opposite.
He sent the big star, the biggest name away, one
of the top players in the game. So here's what
has to happen. Nico gets the off season. Everybody catches
their breath soon however it all plays out. Will Lakers
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win it, Lakers go deep, Lakers get eliminated. Whatever, Now
we start fresh. Now, Nico's on the clock, right here,
and right now, Niko's He's on the clock. He's on
the clock. And Okay, Nico, you have the off season,
this is your team. What are you gonna do. Let's
get started. First of all, people are pissed. They probably
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some will not renew their tickets. It was a very
bad business decision for the Mavericks. Granted they don't have
to pay him three hundred million dollars, which turned out
to be a very good business decision for the Mavericks.
But obviously the market is not pleased. So if they
get you're telling me, so, you're telling me, we made
a collective decision.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I'm Nico. Now, we made a collective decision. We all
sat down, we all weighed the pros and cons. You know,
Michael Finley's in that group, right, Michael Finley's in that organization.
He's the one that took the beer away from from Luca.
He probably was a guy that was voicing a strong
opposition to keeping him. Yep, you know, I just got
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to believe that because he was outspoken and like I said,
he's the one that visibly took the beer away from
after the game. Yes, So if you're telling me that, collectively,
as an organization, we decided to make this move, which
is a move that could set us back a few years. Right,
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even though we got Anthony Davis and we don't know
if he can stay healthy. If he does and Kyrie
stays healthy, we got a shot, but we still got
to add some pieces. We got to make sure that
we're right. So you're telling me, after we collectively made
this decision, you're giving me one off season and one
year to get us to the finals or win it. Well,
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I'm not even saying to the otherwise, I'm out. Otherwise
I'm the one out. I'm the one out. Correct. That's
the only way to say face, that's your only way
to get And you're saying that, Huh, if you're the organization,
you're saying that that's the only way they say face. Well,
we got to do something here. People are upset and
we made a mistake. Somebody's got to get it. It's
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the old somebody's always got to get it. That's when
somebody doesn't got to get it. If you're you're the
owner and you do the Jerry Buss world and you said, look,
we made that decision, right, this guy's it looks bad.
Just remember that because Shaq went to Miami and they
won it, so he got rid of Shaq owned it.
Shaq goes to Miami, they win the title, just much
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like if Luca and Lebron they win the title this year,
it could look the similar similar ways to what Shaq left.
See I won a title right now, well how do
you now? How do you look getting rid of me? Right?
They didn't panic. No, they went out and got Palca
sal and added to Kobe and built around him, and
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they went up and came back and won two more
right right, So that to me, that's how organizations should work.
Not put okay, Mitch cup check, you're on the clock.
Next year, you're on the clock. Shaq went to Miami
and won it. You got two thousand and five, that's it. Boom,
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you don't win it, you're out. I don't even know
if it'll make it all year. To be honest with you,
I know, but that's terrible.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
It's awful. Well wait, there's a difference between is it
awful and could it happen? Yeah, it's awful. It makes
no sense. But you see, somebody's gotta get it always,
and hey, we screwed this up.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
The people are mad. They might not. Nobody got it
in la when when they moved because Jerry's Behen was
more popular than wait wait, can you we do you
agree that Shaq was more popular than Kobe? If I do,
by a smidge. It was close, and Jerry Buss picked Kobe,
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he picked for the future. Sack was way more popular. Fred,
that's not that's really go back. Kobe had the locker
room incident, Kobe had the situations going on. Shaq was
out there, gregarious. People loved Shaq. They loved him. It
was the big jolly bear, right, And when they got
rid of him, there was a big backlog of did
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they make the right decision to get rid of the
right guy. Yes, so it worked out. It worked out.
So now it looks back, you look back and go, yeah,
they made the right decision. But at that time, I
remember that time, there was a lot of people that
did not like the Lakers for getting rid of Shack, And.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
I thought they made the right Back then, I thought
they made the right move. They went younger, and they
went with someone who would not have been prone to
injury as much Kaushak had heard. Uh So I thought
they made the right move. But yeah, it was polarizing
in the city. I don't disagree with you. But Jerry
bust stood up and said, this one's on me.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
That's go right.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
So my point is nobody had to get it nobody.
But guy didn't do that in Dallas, he said, which.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Is the problem. Which is the problem. This is the
problem with the ownership in Dallas. To me, fine him,
it's not an ECO because he didn't operate isolated and
say I'm gonna do there's on my own. There's no
way you get rid of Luca Dantis in Dallas if
you're by yourself. See, I'm gonna make this decision on
the dead of night, and we're gonna move on. I'm
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gonna own it. Now. He is owning it, and he's
falling on the sword for it, which is a shame
because the ownership in Dallas is weak. Weak. They are
no Jerry Buss, which was the best owner of all
of sports ever.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Jerry, you're right, you're on a hundred percent right. It
doesn't eliminate what will probably happen, but you're one hundred
percent right. Somebody's got to get it. Somebody will get it,
and the owner is not gonna fire himself. So that's
why you have Nico Harrison on an island right now.
He's just out there and currently there are no rescue
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ships coming. If somehow this turns around on the average
all of a sudden, come out of the blocks next
year and oh my god, he was right, they're number
one in the league in defense and they've won fifteen
straight games, then you'll see a little think he's going
out there to rescue him. They'll send a boat out
to get him. But if they come out and they're
a marginal or average team, and in worst case, the
Lakers start rolling over people, there's no there's no boat
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coming to get them.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Bagging and praying the Lakers get bounced and don't go
because if the Lakers get even to the Western Conference Finals,
I don't know if he even makes it to next year.
That's my point. Yeah, he is he ever going to
admit that. No, of course not. You think deep in
his heart, in the back of his mind, he's not going. Please,
dear God.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
I mean, you can win one playoff series, that's great,
but you got to get knocked out. Yeah, you've got
to get knocked out. And by the way, here's another thing.
You can't be the primetime game every time. You can't
be the primetime game with them building up Lebron and
Luca together, with everything built around those two on a
national level. The one thing we can't have is that
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I need you to play at seven point thirty on
NBA TV. Yes, and nobody knows. I need you to
be on your local cable channel. I don't need you
to be the TNT game of the week and the
ESP and an ABC game of the week. The Lakers
are the Saturday night primetime.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Game, yes, every week.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Nico doesn't want that. Nico doesn't need that. That's a problem.
That's a business thing.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It's gone from well, Lucas fat and drinks too much
beer and smokes hookah two. This impacts business now, that's
that's the issue, and that's what wasn't considered here. It
impacts business. He impacted the business. There will be fallout
from that. And when that happens, no matter whose call
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it is, somebody's going to get it, just as Byron
ask Byron Scott. Oh ask Byron Scott, our buddy, Byron
Scott when he was coaching the Lakers and Mitch and
Jim Buss told them, this is going to take a while.
We know it's going to be difficult. We know we're
not gonna win a lot. Can you handle that? And
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Byron's correct response was can you handle that? And their
answer was yes, we can, Yes, we can do it. Byron,
we know we're putting you in an impossible position.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yes we can. We got you. And then they got them,
because somebody's always got to get it. Then they fired him.
They didn't keep their word. And Jerry would have never
done it. Never, he never would have done that. Okay,
So we got some trouble here. Happened during an Atlanta
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Braves game. We got to talk about it. Oh yeah,
Roddy bet Fred Rogan on a Tuesday, Jackie Robinson Day
out at the stadium tonight. Everybody, everybody in Major League
Baseball wearing number forty two today, remember the legacy, Remember
the man, Remember the family. Hard to believe. Rachel Robinson
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is one hundred and one years old. Can you imagine? Unbelievable?
Still looks good, still moving around, still doing a thing.
One hundred and one and two. I believe in July.
If you're still moving around and everything is good, why
the hell not?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Exactly where are you going? If you're still enjoying yourself
and things are okay? Yeah, it's number, just a number,
It really is. Except when I wake up on my
knee hurts, then that's a different story. Or you sleep
the wrong way you sleep? When did I twist my ankle?
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I don't even remember doing that.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
You wake up? Why is my shoulder? What did I
do last night? That my shoulder is killing me? Yeah?
Wake up with strange things.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Some people can appreciate this now and others will down
the road. When you wake up, get up, walk around,
Look in the mirror, My god, where did that bruise
come from?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Right? What happened? Yes? Yes, what happened? Why is that
black and blue? Right there? I don't know what what
did I do? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Not everybody's going to get it now, but everybody gets
it eventually.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
They all know what that means down the line. Oh
my gosh, yeah, it's crazy. It is crazy. Okay, So
here's the situation. Tell me what you think. During an
Atlanta Braves game there Atlanta, Toronto. As a matter of fact,
it was last night in Toronto, right in Toronto. Yeah,
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so the brave sideline reporter or the reporter the Christmas
There a sideline reporter in Watson, right, there's a sideline reporter.
All right, this is Wiley back, not Kristen Watson's reporter,
a sideline report. Yeah yeah, yeah, not her. Yeah okay,
good uh Wiley Badwark And some people, you know, everybody
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has their own unique way of doing this. Some guys
are funny, some some people are right down the middle.
But Wiley's kind of a personality and he does this
segment called the field Report. So what he did He
interviewed two fans in attendance.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay, but uh, fans at home quickly discovered that Monday
segment was far from a normal fan interview. So the
fans he interviewed were Lauren and Kayla. Well, here, let's
just listen to it.
Speaker 5 (35:39):
We had a lot of fun out here. Off the
coroner rooftop, who do we got you wish your name,
my name is Lauren Laurence, all right, and I'm Kayla Kayla.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
And you guys hanging out the rooftop lounge.
Speaker 5 (35:48):
Often once a year I come out to visit.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
Okay, we timed it pretty well.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
All right? Good?
Speaker 4 (35:53):
How are you guys feeling roof for the Braves today?
Speaker 2 (35:57):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (35:58):
I'm hoping for the best. What about you? Are you
brais fan?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Now? Not? Quiet? Well?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Quiet, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna go to work
up here, guys, come luck the rest.
Speaker 4 (36:06):
Of the way.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Okay, Wiley, we got five innings, four innings to get
the numbers.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
Come on, come on, come on, get us some more
Bras fans.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
All right, So they want me to get your number,
they want you to get I'm dead serious, they're saying
to my right now, I shouln't believe me because she
thinks you guys are are not making this up. Even
if you guys weren't, I might use that in the future.
That's a actually pretty good move. This is unbelievable. So
the best part of this right now is that Wiley
could totally be faking and this might be the new move.
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You just walk around with a fan duel microphone and
an earpiece in and convinced fans that they're actually on TV.
I should have thought of this years ago. I am speechless.
I got the number.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
We're good, okay, And in the video you can see
her giving him the number. All right, Rodney, before I
tell you what happened, what do you think of that?
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Freddy? Freddy, I am not touching this with a ten
foot pole. I'm gonna tell you that right now. I
am not touching this with a ten foot pole because
this is this has turned into something that is extremely polarizing,
and it is gender based, and I really don't know
(37:30):
because it was it was I think a lot of
it was tongue in cheek and I think of a
lot of it it was just having fun. He does this, right,
He goes into stands and he interviews people and has
fun with people and all that kind of stuff. Right, Yeah,
so you know, and he but they received a lot
of you should preface this, right, because they received a
lot of backlash. Well that's I was going to say
(37:51):
that after what do you think? Right? So I'm not
going to get into you know, because I've seen it
and I understand, and I understand both sides of it,
and and it's the women feel a certain way and
men are defending it, you know, And I understand. I
understand a woman's point of view saying that if she
(38:13):
were the if it was like you mentioned, you said,
Kirsten Watson for the Dodgers, and she was in the
stands with a couple of guys who were feeling pretty
good in the stands and they were egging her on
to get those guys' numbers, it would have been a
(38:34):
different point of view. It would have been a different
reaction than Wiley up there with two girls saying, hey,
they're telling me to get your number. I get it.
It's a double standard. Like you know, we don't often
like to talk about it because it's uncomfortable, just like
we just talked about with Jackie Robinson and what he
went through and in the fifties forties, in that time,
(38:55):
in that era of just being a black man trying
to play baseball and you can't just do that because
people come at you because of your race or gender.
And this is similar. And so I get the response
from a lot of female reporters that have weighed in
on this I understand it because we do live in
(39:16):
a double standard world.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Well here's the thing, what do you think, Freddie, Right,
what do you think about I'll just play up what
you said. Uh, these guys are goofing around, right, These
are guys yucking it up. These are guys in the
bar just like, hey, you got a number. Yeah, that's
pretty funny. Okay, you got four innings. They're going to
work now, Joey. You know that's what they're doing. Uh
(39:40):
is it appropriate? Is it appropriate in today's world in
that venue? Probably not? Probably not. I could understand why
women or whoever felt the way they did. Don't objectify us,
don't do that.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
We're here and we're having a game. We're at the game,
we're enjoying ourselves. Don't objectify us. And I understand why
they would feel that way because after working at NBC
for so many years, and these are the kinds of
things we would deal with in local news all the
time and stories. Colin Calhurd always said, you know what,
(40:22):
he's not an easy guy to offend. You know what's offensive.
What's offensive is if someone is offended. If you're offended,
then that was offensive. If you're not offended. It wasn't offensive.
That's how he that's how he explains these things, and
to a degree, it's right. Did these guys think they
(40:45):
were offending them? No, not at all.
Speaker 1 (40:46):
They thought they were goofing around and everybody's laughing it
up and yucking it up and having a great time.
Were they offended? Yeah, okay, it was offensive. Now, how
do you walk that line? It's very difficult. It's very difficult,
and there's two trains of thought. First, just be a
(41:06):
good person, man, woman, Be a good person, Be respectful.
That's one way to look at it, and probably a
fair way to look at it. Now you might also say, well, yeah,
but that's just kind of living your life in a
sterile way. You've got to be careful of anything you
say to anybody to any moment because it could be
taken out of context.
Speaker 2 (41:25):
But that's that's a problem though, because you know, we
do we do live in a sensitive world where people
will take things to the extreme right side or left side.
They'll they'll take them all the way to extreme and
it could be, like you said, just a genuine moment
by the guys an announcer and the guy that does
the whole wacky, go into the stands and interview people,
(41:48):
and you come across some of them someone that's attractive,
and they say, and he's a single guy, and they're
a single woman, and oh, get her number, get a number, man.
You know, you guys should date. And that's no, there's
no like ill will or sexism or anything going on.
It's just a moment that hey, we're having fun in
(42:10):
between innings. Go yeah, get her number. She's flirting with you, man,
go get her number. And that's all it could have
been for those guys. And I'm sure it was. They
didn't think anything that it was offensive. And if it
was reversed and the reaction of the women were they're
right in their response, because had it been a woman
that went out there in the stands and was around
(42:31):
two guys and the guys were hitting on her and
she was flirting with them, then she would have got
called every name in the book. She would have got called,
you know, the H word, this word, the S word,
all those things. And you know, how is she on
the air. She's nothing but a blah blah blah, And
everybody would have went to her Instagram and see what
(42:53):
kind of pictures she put up and it would have
been a crazy thing. So the women that responded to
this were absolutely right, just like you know the infamous
bus incident, Fred that had there been a woman on
a bus saying grab him by the appendage, the outpour
(43:18):
and it would have been absolutely no brainer, overdone, shut down,
never happened, He closed everything down, fire, everybody. Everybody's on
leave now because we had no chance to win. I mean,
it's just the way it is. And so what bothers
me is that we still live in that world that
(43:40):
thinks everything's equal and everything's good and all people are
the same, and there's no sexism, there's no racism, there's
no any of that. But yet there is, because again
they're right. If a woman was out there, she would
have been called a slut, she would have been called
a hoe, she would have been called all kinds of names.
(44:01):
If she's out there soliciting the guy's number. It's just
the way it is now. I don't think these guys
had any kind of ill of tent or anything like that.
I think they were just having fun, I really do.
But the women's response is also right too.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
Okay, when we come back, let's read visit what we
saw last night watching the Dodger game, and what else
I saw last night
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