April 28, 2025 • 40 mins
Adam and Rodney discuss why they believe Shedeur Sanders fell to the Browns in the 5th round. Vinny Bonsignore gives his take on Sanders as well as the drafts for the Raiders, Rams and Chargers. We take a brief look at the NBA playoffs as a whole.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Oh yeah, we keep it moving.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We keep it moving on a Monday, my man, the
double A and Fred says the salty one, Adam.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Austlin, keep it moving, keep it salty, yeah, uh.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Huh, gotta keep it salty, baby, especially in the springtime.
You gotta keep it salty, Adam. And for Fred today
chopping it up with some NBA and some Dodger talk.
But right now, let's get into uh, Adam, let's get
into what happened this past weekend, which is the NFL Draft. Now,
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it was otherwise a kind of a A lot of
people would like to say it was a week draft.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I hate to say that.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
The kids that are coming out and like calling their
draft class or week class or whatever we were. It's
yet to be seen what these kids are gonna do
once they get into the NFL. Right, and there's some players,
so I don't I don't want to do, you know,
talk bad about the scope of the entire draft. But
the focus of the draft certainly was on where was.
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First of all, everybody knew cam Ward from Miami was
gonna be the number one pick quarterback from Miami.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
He was gonna be a number one pick.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And then everybody figured out where, Hey, where's Travis Hunter
gonna go from Colorado? And then where's Shadu or Sanders
gonna go from Colorado? Those two Colorado kids dominated leading
up to the draft Draft weekend, and then we'll continue
for a period of time now because Travis Hunter, the
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Cleveland Browns ended up trading that pick to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Jacksonville gets Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And then Chadure drops to the fifth round and on
the third day gets picked by the Browns. And there's
a lot to unpack with that one. First off, when
going into it, where did you think that he made go?
I know, there are a lot of talks and he was,
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you know, definitely not. He's definitely wasn't in the cam
Word class of from scouts and everybody that were projecting
this draft that that cam Ward was going to be
the consensus number one pick and he was on a
different level than everybody else. And I think we had
and I believe this from what everybody was saying. It
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was cam Ward and then there was gonna be a
drop off from quarterbacks, but there will be other players picked,
but certainly felt like Shador was going to be in
that top three to four quarterbacks taken in the draft,
and of course he didn't. Then he dropped to the
fifth round. What did you make of the draft in
his situation? Because we just just jump into that right now.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I mean, look, coming in, I thought first or second round.
I did, And granted I'm not a scout. I'm just
watching as a casual viewer. And I had my eye
on Colorado the last two years like everybody else did.
They were on Fox all the time, and the majority
of my scouting, in opinion, shaping was done by Joe Klatt,
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to be honest, because I heard so many times him
talk about, oh, that's an NFL type throw Oh Shedur
Sanders here special, different, built different, he and Gus Johnson
going off about him so much. I bought into the
hype and I liked his style because I like Diana.
As a kid, I hated the Cowboys, and I would
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still wear a Cowboys jersey with Dion Sanders because I
just loved him. Maybe it was more than just you know,
on the NFL field, but on the Madden field in
video games like oh you got Deon Sanders, I'm gonna
try to put them at wide receiver. Have him with
that ninety nine speed out there like that's what I
was into. So for me, this was shocking, Like everybody else,
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would he drop to the third round? Nope, fourth round, No,
fifth round, pick one forty four. I didn't expect that
to happen. This is something where I think there is
a chasm of wealth acknowledge that we're missing as layman
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of the game because the intricacies of the NFL, and
as Petros would say all the time, it's so circumstantial
where you're picked, where you end up, and if that's
a good fit for you or not. So when I
see a guy drop like this, like everybody else, I'm wondering, Okay,
where'd he do? Did he just completely bomb the interviews?
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Is that bravado, that confidence too over the top for
an NFL locker room? Is it like the Boss when
he came in on that helicopter. Is it something that's
just so off putting. And I'll ask Vinnie Bonsignor about
this when he's coming. But have we moved past some
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of the hype to the point where NFL front offices
are so overly cautious with making mistakes and having it
blow up in their face that they just don't want
to take any risks anymore, that if there are any
red flags or warning signs out there, they're not going
to do it. And it's baked in that obviously he's
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gonna have Deon Sanders as his dad is attached to
the storyline and Dion brings a different level of energy
and I'm here for it. I loved watching Colorado. But
the other thing I started to think about Rodney is, Okay,
how much of this is built off of substance. And
you can speak to how good he is as a
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thrower out there, but the whole situation with Colorado. I
remember what Dan Lanning said for the Oregon Ducks before
they played him, and how he said, it's gonna be
played on the field, not in Hollywood. They're going for clicks,
We're going for wins. And it's his rallying cry to
get his guys going pregame right.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Around which he said on camera that played on social.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Media right exactly on the irony. But did I buy
in too much? In some ways? And I'm just talking
about the physical attributes, not whatever happened in interviews. Did
I buy in too much because of things like Joel
Klatt going off about him because Colorado beat TCU that
was ranked their first game with Dion, and then TCU
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lost like nine games that year. We thought Colorado's for real,
that TCU win didn't mean anything, and Colorado lost like
seven of their last eight. But we kept talking about, well,
it's the offensive line, is the defense. It's not Sanders.
He's got it going on. He stands out. He and
Travis Hunter, they're above the rest of this team. And
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if you put him on an NFL roster that's talented,
he's going to be able to thrive. I don't know
what did you pick up on tape where you could see, Okay,
maybe his arm's not strong enough, or maybe he's not
making this right read what did you see when it
comes to actual scheme stuff with Shudur Sanders that actually
could have made somebody pause to taking.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Him well, first of all, the whole idea, and Colin
says this all the time, Oh, he's got the big arm,
big arm, big arm, big arm, it doesn't matter. I
hate the big arm statement because big arm. A lot
of guys come out of college with that. You can
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throw a javelin a million miles and throw football through
a brick wall and all those kind of things, Jeff, and.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Throw it hard as you can.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh my god, there's so many guys that I knew
and played with and played against and all the kind
of stuff that could throw it a mile. It is
not about that. First of all, you're not throwing the
ball one hundred yards in a game. You know, even
a deep you're throwing it at most it's going to
be forty five yards in the air, fifty yards in
the air at most. It is about accuracy and being
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on time and if you can throw the ball accurate
and put it. And when I say accurate, NFL accuracy
is different than college accuracy because college wide receivers are
running wide open.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
In college you don't have that luxury. In the NFL.
You have a small, small window that you got to
fit it into.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And so how accurate is a guy is more important
than how far he can throw it. And Shador can
make first of all, he can make all the throws,
and whether that be in the pocket on the run.
He was harassed, he was sacked more than anybody in
FBS last year. He still threw for seventy four percent
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completion percentage and a team that didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Have a very good offensive line.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
As you mentioned, he was still extremely productive from a
quarterback standpoint, and again from a physical standpoint, he can
make every throw that's needed to make to be an
NFL quarterback. Now, did he rub people the wrong way?
And some of the things that Colorado did, And he did,
and you know, the watch and the jewelry and all
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the things, And yeah, I'm sure he rubbed a lot
of the old school guys that sit in those offices,
the scouts of general managers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
That looked at bow.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's not how we want our guy to be or
this is not this, this is not that.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But can a guy play at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And we live in a different time, which is that
get off my lawn guy, which I think a lot
of these comments came from, is that's not the time
we live in. Players' kids are different now, they grow
up in a different age, different things that have happened
that you sometimes got to overlook. But I think that
his Dion and him and Colorado and how they changed
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the culture there in Colorado, changed that whole environment, brought
a whole bunch of new money to Colorado and those players.
The nil that what it provided during the same time,
I think it did. I think it rubbed some some
folks the wrong way and and and that affected it,
which is a shame because it has nothing to do
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with the what the guy can do on the field,
and it shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Be that way.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But I just believed there was and for for folks
to say that there wasn't any kind of I don't
want to say collusion, but talk that oh no, you know,
we're not drafting that because it's going to be a circus.
Is absolutely definitely happened, and I don't think it was.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
It is a reality of what would happen. Dion's still
coaching at Colorado.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Deon is not going to be in the meeting rooms
wherever you know, chide or goes. He's not going to
go up to Cleveland on Tuesday and whin saying Thursday
and say I want to be around my son being
I'm gonna be on the sidelines. I'm gonna be at
the meetings. I'm gonna be at this when he's got
a team to coach in in Colorado. So that that
idea that he was going to be involved is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Number one. But I think it's just it was.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It was a shame because then you've got all these
people coming out with different ideas and reasons why that
don't put their name on it, Like assistant coach here
and assistant general manager here said, oh, he didn't test
well or he was arrogant, and well, say who you are? Right,
don't put it out anonymously. Oh I don't want to
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do anything, but I'm going to criticize the kid and
put it out there. But yet I'm not going to
stand behind it, so that you know that part of me,
you know it, part of it bothered me.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But to suggest that he is not better than.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
A number of the quarterbacks that were taking ahead of
him is absurd, even the one that was taken ahead
of him in Cleveland, Dylan Gabriel. You're telling me that
Shador Sanders is not better than Dylan Gabriel and we
will find that out early in training camp. Who's a
better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
But it just doesn't make sense to me, And it
doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
That Cleveland would draft Dylan Gabriel and then the very
next round draft Shador Sanders. Mike was definitely the owner
came in and said, oh, he's still available, go get him,
and they actually moved up to get him. But I
just think it was a backlash of an undercurrent of
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the NFL saying we are going to show this kid
and this family that you better be humble or we're
not going to draft yet.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I mean, the level of negativity that came out in
those anonymous reports. And look, we heard the stuff coming
out from let's say the Dallas Mavericks after Luca was traded.
Oh it's because this reason, that reason, But it's not
necessarily being attributed to Nico Harrison. They're trying to keep
it anonymous. So it is a little bit cowardly in
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that way. But I gotta wonder if he was so special.
I don't think there's any interview he could bomb hard
enough that that many teams would pass on him that
many times. I just feel like there might be a
disconnect in my limited football knowledge. Even though I agree
with you. I watched Dyan gabriel a Ton last year
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with Oregon. I thought he was better than him. If
he's in that situation with that team, Shadua Sanders is
definitely better. It's just crazy to me that he could
drop all the way to one forty four to the
fifth round if he's so talented, like if you take.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Though, that's the thing. I don't think he is that talent.
He's not to the point where he's Trevor Lawrence a
few years back, right, Oh, Joe Burrow. That was a
consensus number one. Everybody felt that those guys are gonna
be can't miss guys.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
He's not on that generational quarterback level. He's not l
way coming out or anything like that. Don't get me wrong,
he's not. I don't think he is. I think he
can be a very good quarterback in the right situation
in the NFL. Again, key point, right situation in the NFL,
But he's not that generational talent, which is justification for
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people saying, well, there's no reason why he dropped. But okay,
if he dropped, he shouldn't drop behind five six other
quarterbacks that he was clearly better than. You know what
I'm saying. So if that's the case, then it really
doesn't make sense. But listen, let's let's let's let's take
a pause here. We're gonna bring Vinnie Botsor on to
get into this a little bit more on the other side.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Still more talk on the NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Adam auslin In for Fred Rogan and five seventy LA Sports.
All right, all right, yes, this is a topic that
is not going away because all eyes are now going
to be on Cleveland, Cleveland, and the NFL is going
to be the center of the universe through training camp,
through preseason, through all of next season.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So we will see. We'll get into it more with
Bennie on the other side.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Welcome back on a beautiful, beautiful Monday, Adam Austin and
for Fred Rogan. Today we talked a little bit about
the NFL Draft and Adam and I gave you, gave
you our thoughts.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Let's bring on our insider though.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Now, let's bring on our man, Vinnie Botzen, your who
covers who covers the NFL for the Las Vegas Review
Journal and he is the host of the In the
Huddle on nine to twenty AM Raider Nation Radio in
Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Our man Vinnie bots and your Vinnie, how you doing.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I'm doing great. It was a long weekend, but a
fun weekend and now I'm anxious to see all these
guys out on the skial. We got Rooking mini camps
coming up in a week or so. Okas are gonna
get started, so we're actually gonna see put names to
faces and uh and actually see them on the grass
here pretty soon. So I'm fired up.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
No, it's the time. It's such a I mean, and
we've said this all the time. The NFL does a
great job of being you know, in the in the
news cycle for twelve months and then leading up to
the draft. I mean, first of all, it's the Super Bowl,
then the Combine, then leading up to the draft and
who's gonna get who's gonna get drafted where, and all
those kind of things lead up to it. And now
it's like it feels like it's a now you can
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exhale and like you said, wait for these guys now
to get on the field.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Now most most guys know where they're gonna be.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
There's still some names out there in free agency though,
but for the most part that the draft is over,
you can kind of see how they're gonna fit into
uh some of these NFL teams uh, and it will
be interesting to see. But it feels like we can
exhale now, Vinnie. But we can't really exhale because there's
still leftover residue from this draft, and we know what
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what I'm talking about, Adam.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I just chopped it up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
But I just want to get your take on Shador Sanders,
him dropping to the fifth round, going to Cleveland. You know,
all kinds of speculation of why and all those kind
of things. Just give me your take on him, Benny,
and and why he dropped so far?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, you know, part of it was evaluation, Rodney. I
think we talked about this on Friday after he did
not get drafted in the first round. And you know
how NFL teams get kind of hot up on elite traits.
Do you have the canon arm, can you run like
the wind? What do you bring to the table that
sort of differentiates yourself and makes you a first round pick?
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And you know, I think in a lot of cases,
should our Sanders just didn't have those oh my gosh,
gotta have it first round skill set in any of
those categories, which is okay, that's that's fine, But for
him not to go for him, for him to have
to wait until the fifth round to get his name called,
when when a bunch of other quarterbacks went ahead of him,
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I didn't agree with that at all. I felt like,
absolutely he should have been at least a second round pick.
But that's neither neither here nor there. I do have
a major issue with some of the things that we
started hearing, you know, some of the reports that came
out from anonymous sources. Look, I think if you're going
to say something as disparaging as some of the things
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that were said about should our standards in terms of
how he interviewed and things like that, puts your name
to it because otherwise it's just you know what I'm saying,
like like like like it was above and beyond this,
You've been a coward.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's being a coward was what it.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Is, no doubt about it. But here's what's Here's what's
interesting about the whole thing and how as it all
played out and Rodney, maybe thirty five seconds after after
it was announced that he was going to the Cleveland Browns,
I got a text from an NFL general manager who
seemed didn't need a quarterback, and his words to me were,
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he's already the best quarterback on that roster. And you
think to yourself, I, first of all, I agree, but
you know, like if you just hear that or read that,
you're like, WHOA, They've got like a whole bunch of
quarterbacks on their roster. First of all, we have to
take Deshaun Watson out of it. He's hurt right now,
so don't know when he's ever going to come back.
But when you think about Joe Flacco, when you think
about Kenny Pickett, when you think about Dylan Gabriel, who
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I thought, there's no way that Dylan Gabriel should have
gone ahead of Sanders. I think that's going to get
proven on the grass when they get out there and
start competing. But as bad as it was, and my
heart went out to Usherdor throughout this whole process, as
bad as it was, as disappointing as it was, I
can't think of a better landing spot for him then,
not just the Cleveland Browns, but the but the depth
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chart that he now goes to contend with. I have
a feeling that when it's all said and done, it
might not be right off the bat that you go
with Joe Flacco, you know, to hold down the fort
for you know, a few weeks or whatever, until somebody
behind him emerges as the real option. But when I
think of Dylan Gabriel. No offense against Dylan Gabriel. He
did with his thing. But when I think of him,
when I think of Kenny Pickett, I don't see that
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that d or that Chandor is worse than those guys.
In fact, I think he's better and I think he
will be better. And I think if it couldn't have,
if you're going to have to experience the kind of
disappointment that he did, at the very least he goes
someplace where he's got a legitimate, almost a clear path
to winning a starting job.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Vinnie, I want to ask you this because we're trying
to sort through it. I was just as shocked as anyone.
I'm also not an NFL scout. If it was just
about talent and there wasn't any of this at least
perceived baggage or risk, where do you think he ends up?
Is he a second round pick? Is he a third
round pick? How much of the slide is about whatever
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that happened in the interviews, or whatever they think about Dion,
his father and some of these outside possible distractions.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I'm sure inside you know that those are hard questions
to ask, and I'm not trying to evade it. But
you are talking about thirty two different rooms, and you're
talking about thirty two different head coaches, in general managers,
thirty two different situations, thirty two different appetites to deal
with certain things. Like I used to work for the Lakers,
and you know, obviously if there was going to be
some drama, you didn't you want to minimize it. But
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but to me, when I work for the Lakers and
over the years, I think the Lakers have proven this.
They're okay with if taking on challenges so to speak, right,
They're not going to act with insecurities over what might
this dad or this situation might bring. We're a strong
enough organization to deal with whatever it might come. I
think some of that was way over played. Do you
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think about Dion Sanders, He's had his own team to coach.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You think he's.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Really going to be meddling into his son's you know, career.
He'll watch it, he'll chie him in, he'll make it,
He'll have his advice, just like any dad would. But
do you really think he's going to be a problem.
I mean, Rodney, I'll ask you that. Do you really think,
especially this is a guy that has a lot on
his plate, trying to trying to win football games at
the University of Colorado, Colorado. How much time do you
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think he's really going to have to devote to the
day in and day out of the of a career.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I don't absolutely none, none.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And he's talked about being you know, I'm a dad first,
and and and all those things, and that's where he'll
be now that he's not Shador's coach.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
He will be he will be a dad.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And and people got to realize, if you know anything
about Dion, he's just I mean, he's a tremendous talent.
Was to me, the best corner that's ever played. But
a lot of it's entertainment. As you mentioned, Vinny, he is.
He has got U he's coaching uh uh, you know,
big time college program, he's got TV shows, he's got
marketing stuff that he's doing.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
He is not going to meddle, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And a lot of it is the Bravado is the
persona of prime time and he's gonna speak his mind
and he's gonna be out there and that's what people
love about him. But to suggest that he's going to
be meddling, and that's why you're afraid of taking shaduur
as ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yeah, I completely agree. So to answer the question, yeah,
I'm sure in some buildings it played a role like
we do we do we want this quote unquote drama.
I think it's so overplayed though, and then it almost
makes my stumach you know, a turn and turnover. I
just hate that because to me, it shows insecurity in
you as an organization that you're that worried about something
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that I don't even think he's going to exist necessarily.
And that's why you may not draft a quarterback that
could really help you down the road. Now if now,
in certain rooms, Rodney, I mean in certain facilities, it
was just evaluation. Maybe there were teams out there and
it just didn't see it in terms of high end
or and that's fine, that's everyone has their their opinion.
But I think the bottom line of of it all is,
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and I'll go back to this, you couldn't have asked
for him for a better landing spot after all the
misery and disappointment, because I really truly believe he's got
a chance to win that job, and I really truly believe.
I watched every one of his games I'm not being
I'm not exaggerating that my son was a huge Dion
fan or is a huge Deon fan, and he's forced
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me to sit down and watch all the Jackson State games.
We watched every documentary that was you know, uh that
followed the Sanders from Jackson State to Colorado. I got
into it. I actually fell in love with with him
and Dion even more so watching them behind the scenes.
And I sat there and watched every one of his games,
and I frankly think he's a really good quarterback. I've
pat general managers tell me, Look, we get so enamored
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with the strong arm, We get so enamored with the
running ability, and with the athletic traits and all that
that's great, but we forget sometimes that quarterback is played
above the shoulders. And I defy anybody to watch the
tape of Sanders and not realize this guy puts the
ball where it needs to be. He throws, you know,
with timing, he makes good reads, he goes through his progressions.
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And I will also say this, having watched all of
those games, there were times when the ball got snapped
to s Sanders and it was the play had already
been blown up. That's how bad the offensive line was.
Sorry to throw anybody under the bus, but that was
the reality. He was playing under durest and the run
under and running for his life a lot of times
more often. Like if you put him in Ohio State
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or Alabama with with elite offensive lines and elite talent
around them, I think he would have been a first
round pick in that situation, but he wasn't. He played
at Colorado Revolved. That program was very limited in what
he had to work with, and the offensive line did
him no favors. But he still threw for completed seventy
four percent of his passes even in that kind of situation.
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How does that happen, you know, without having the ability
to read defenses and throw the ball where it needs
to be on time, in rhythm. So I think the
Browns got themselves a really good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Loss back, Vinnie. Do you think the NFL has gotten
overly sensitive to anything that could be looked at as
a distraction? Whereas there have been so many cautionary tales
over the years, it has made them a little bit
too skittish and this could end up blowing up in
their face. With all the teams of pass on them.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yeah, no doubt about it, you know, And any coach
Rodney knows, there's any coach an organization, and we'll try
to minimize distractions. And for one second, to put put
put ourselves in a coach in general manager's shoes, you know,
uh not everybody has ten years. Nobody has ten years
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to get it turned around. Nobody, you know, everyone is
you know, one bad season away from being on the
unemployment line. And that's the reality of the situation. So
how do you try to maximize your opportunity as a
coach and a general manager is to avoid or try
to minimize distractions. And I think as a result of that,
teams do get a little bit skittish and probably you know,
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overly are are overly worried about that element of it.
But all I know is this, how much of a
distraction was It was at Colorado, which was a morbid
dying on the Vine program that the Sanders breathed life
into it and became kind of must see TV. Did
the distraction hurt Colorado? No, they They've played as good
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a football as they have in years. This was a
terrible program. Jackson ste eight was a bad program, and
they were winning league championships, going to ball games in
short order at Jackson State and then at Colorado. So
and it goes back to Deon Sanders. People want to
talk about him as a distraction, as a this or that.
All I know is Rodney. When I watched Deon Sanders
play baseball and football number one, his teammates spoke glowingly
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of him. Talk to his teammates and understand that behind
the scenes, away from the cameras and the commercials and
all that good stuff, he was the hardest worker and
the best teammate. And I'm talking about Yankees clubhouse, Cincinnati
Reds clubhouse, Atlanta Falcons locker room, San Francisco forty nine
Ers locker room, Dallas Cowboys locker room. And by the
way I play, remember correctly, the Falcons won a lot
of football games, and that was a bad organization. The
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Niners and Cowboys won Super Bowls. So whatever distraction we're
talking about certainly didn't hurt anything on the field with Dion,
and it didn't hurt Sadara Sanders at Colorado, and it
will not hurt this is the Cleveland Browns. In fact,
we might be looking at the Cleveland Browns a little
bit harder now. And that's a thing because for a
while we turned away from the Cleveland Browns because they've
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been so bad over the years.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, no doubt, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So so trying to get a grasp on the on
the rest of the draft, Vinnie, how do you rate
the the Raiders and what they did on on this
draft weekend?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, typical Pete Carroll draft, Rodney, I think you appreciate
it when you talk about athletic ability. They when if
you look at relative athletics scorer the raz which takes
all your running and jumping and all that good stuff,
and there's a correlation between that and uh and and
good football teams.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
They were off the charts when it came to the
athletic ability. And that's without Ashton Genty even testing uh
you know at the at the combine. You put him
in there. Uh, and he's another elite athlete that the
team got a whole bunch of them. I think eight
eight guys that that are eight or above, you know,
in terms of their their rafts scorer. So you got
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some big, tall cornerbacks. You got a quarterback from Montana
State who's gonna be a wide receiver, kind of a
Julian Edelman type profile. You got a Dante Thornton from
from uh from Tennessee that's six foot five and runs
a four three forty typical kind of a Pete Carroll
kind of a guy. And obviously Ash and genty, you know,
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immediately lifting the floor of their running game. And we'd
be remiss not to talk about Geo Smith. And if
we want to talk about Sor Sanders and why the
Raiders didn't didn't draft him. They've got their quarterback for
a little while, and that's Gino Smith, and you know,
and and and had he not been on the roster,
I wouldn't have been surprised if he, if Sdart would
have been picked, you know, in the second round. But
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they are shooting in that with the sixth pick overall
in the first round. But they they want to kind
of win right now. They've got Geno Smith. They're trying
to maximize that did a pretty good job of it, Vinnie.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
And looking at the Rams, I mean, less need once
again f them picks. They trade their first round pick.
I just keep thinking, are they the most aligned front
office head coach situation in the NFL with the way
they're able to reload and see down the path into
the future a little bit of how they can continue
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to refine and compete year after year. They have young
guys on the come up now, so they could get
rid of the first round pick this season, plan for
next year where they'll have two of them. It just
seems like they are light years in front of other
teams right now.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah, and now they got two first round picks next
year in a very good quarterback class. So keep an
eye on that. Less Need is as good as there
is in the business, you know, in terms of a
general manager. I ran into them at the owners of
betting in Florida and we're laughing because, you know, everyone
from what twenty sixteen, so I think last year they
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had gone without having a first round pick. That's how
long they didn't have a first round pick. And everybody,
you know, we all saw all the t shirts you
know about what left Need thinks about jeft picks. Well,
the irony, and this is what we were laughing about.
Over that same time period. Even though the Rams didn't
have a first round pick, they actually had the most
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or second most picks in the NFL in that time,
it was just second and third and fourth and comp
picks for drafting good guys and developing them and then leaving,
letting them go as free agents and collecting a third
or fourth round pick as draft compensation. So in fact,
he actually does value draft picks, it's just not always
in the first round. And the Rams and that group
have done not a good job, but a fantastic job,
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a finding talent all over the draft. I suspect this
is going to be another one, just like they have
been in the past. And that's how you built football
teams or good football teams, and you're able to play
the game of all right, somebody's graduated to a second contract,
but we've got somebody right behind them that's pushing out
at fields as it is, and we'll take that third
round pick or fourth round pick as compensation. And a
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lot of times times are like, why'd you let that
guy go? And then a year or two later, when
another good young player is right there replacing them, how'd
you get that guy? Well, you let somebody walk in
free agency. You played that game, and you got a
draft pick that that you found a good player and
developed that good player. So it's just like this well
oiled machine right now that the Rams got going on,
and that's as good a roster as there is in
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the NFL. Eventually they're going to have to replace Matthew Stafford,
and I think that's why they went and got that
second round or that second first round pick for next year.
And keep an eye on that, because I would not
be surprised if at some point, somehow, some way the
Rams either you know, with I think with the Atlanta
Falcons who they traded with it they're bad enough and
they've got a top ten pick, or you use your
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pick that you have in that pick to trade up
that the Rams. At this time next year, we're not
talking about one of the great young college quarterbacks that's
on the Rams roster.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, no doubt a very real quick Before we let
you go, we got to get to the Charges too,
because they they got their running back, much like the
Raiders did with a lot of people felt that, you know,
gent and Hampton were one in one, a Hampton out
of North Carolina. So what do you make of the
Charge drafted him number one and then the rest of
the Chargers draft real quick?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah, I love Amarion Hampton and he's kind of your
typical Kim Harbaugh kind of running back. You've got your
bell count. Now you got your guy that they're going
to give the ball to twenty five times a game,
and he's going to get it done. I really love
Trey Harris, their wide receiver. You know, this is a
team that that needed explosiveness, needed at you know, weaponry
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on the perimeter for Justin Herbert. And now they've got
a couple of guys with Lad McConkie, you know, going
into his second year now Trey Harris, that that are
going to really help that offense. And it's a it's
a team. You know, last year they did what they could.
They made it to the playoffs, which a major step
in the right directions for them. Uh, but it was
it was it was a roster that you know had
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a lot of holes. Uh and Jim and and his
group hadn't had a chance really to to tinker with
it and add to it. But now they've got to
two draft you know classes to to put toward it.
And I really like what they did on the offensive
side of the ball in this traft, giving Justin Herbert
some legitimate weapons to do.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It absolutely well.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Bennie, that was That was awesome, man, A complete breakdown
of the draft and some other stuff. Other news will
keep an eye on Shador Sanders and how that plays
out in Cleveland. It will be very very interesting to
just put Cleveland front and center on training camp and
everything leading up to the season.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Man, thanks for joining us. Really really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
All right, sorry to get on my soapbox, but you
aft and I, uh I got fed up there, So
thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Absolutely right on.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Right on our man, Bennie Bonce and your mini thanks
to him for joining us. And uh it's okay, Benny.
You can jump on your soapbox anytime. Man, it's it's
a time to do that. But uh more, NBA, when
we come back double A, I gotta get your take
on some things. Man, Come on, let's go a M
five seventy l.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
A sports not dame.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Oh yes, bring it back on a beautiful beautiful money again.
Thanks to Bennie Boxing you're breaking it down for us.
They're a lot to talk about right after the draft,
a lot of emotions, a lot of things going on.
I'm sure the stories will continue to flow, but right now, Adam,
I gotta get your take since they got you on Man,
you're in my captive audience.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You're my captive. Now.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
We talked about the Clippers and the Lakers, and I
do want to get your take on on the finish
of both those series. But the rest of the NBA.
How are you feeling about the playoffs so far? To me,
it's been a very competitive, interesting playoffs so far in
the NBA. I'm I don't know what the ratings are,
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but it is must watch TV. And I don't care
what series you're watching. If you're watching the Pistons and
the Knicks, you got to be glued to that. Also,
the Pacers a series is very very intriguing. The Bucks, unfortunately,
with Damian Lillard going out, you know, that's that's not good.
And unfortunately, you know, at thirty five years old and
having a torn achilles, it's just as devastating.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
The Warriors, Rockets.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I mean, every series feels like Man, maybe except for
the Bucks because they look like they're done, But every
series feels like it's competitive other than that one in
maybe Orlando maybe is not competitive, but the other ones
feel good about the NBA.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
How you feeling about it?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean, outside of Cleveland. They're up three to zero
on Miami, and outside of OKC, they're already in the
second round waiting for the winner of the Clippers and
the Denver Nuggets. It's been hot, it's been good. I
love the New York Detroit series.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
And I feel like old school nice man.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
You know, it just feels like bad boys and then
breaking into the nineties, even the Allen Houston days and
then and then even Chelsey billup in the two early
two thousands. It feels like that that kind of series
with the Knicks. Man, its just it's been great and
competitive and physical.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Cat has stepped up. The threes that he was hitting
yesterday were insane.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Was he feeling it or what? Like?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Carl Anthony Towns has been called out over the years
for not showing up in big playoff games, and now
he is. You know, it's him and Jalen Brunson as
the guys in New York and for him to catch
fire knock down that thirty dead eye, I mean, that's nasty.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
He would have I think he would have assaulted his
teammate if they didn't get him the ball in that moment.
He was absolutely feeling it down the stretch, the one
he hit behind the backboard, you knew it was on then,
and then him drawn back and forth with Tobias Harris
during the whole game, and and them going at him
and him not you know, him complaining because he's another
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one that complains a lot to the officials but not.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Getting many calls.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
And then for him to catch fire like that, and
that building in Detroit with Spike on.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
The sidelines, it just was it added all to the drama.
But man, he put on a show down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Big cat saying, let me test this heater right now. Now,
the controversy at the end of that game, Rodney, I
have to say I got a little bit of PTSD
from my early days up in Sacramento watching the Kings
versus Lakers series from two thousand and two. What was
uh Nick Bavetta out there again? Was he helping him out?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Like?
Speaker 3 (38:13):
That's what that felt like to me.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Now on Nick Vetta's name is because the oh yeah, then,
oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Well, look, I get it's been very physical in these
playoffs and people have liked it, and that is brought
back a throwback type of feel, the physicality they're letting
go out there, But at the end of a game
like that, I think that's a call.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
That you make.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Earlier in the fourth quarter, if Josh Hart fouled Tim
Hardaway Junior, it was that glaring, It was that obvious.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
JB.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Bickerstaff is out of his seat immediately. He didn't wait
for any replay. Everybody in the arena had the angle
on that foul. It's one thing to let physicality go.
It's another to let it go on a jump shot
from three. And that's where I would say, I think
you have to make that call. But the rest feel
like if I make this call, it's going to determine
the game, and we don't want the game to end
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like that. But the other side of it is by
not making obvious calls, you're also determining the game in
some ways. I didn't love that, I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I didn't love it at all either.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And it'll be talked about for for a for a
long period of time because I think Detroit outplayed them
throughout the whole game. They just you know, New York
caught fire at the end Brunson coming back from the injury,
and then the cat went went off. But it was
it's been amazing so far in the playoffs. I'm interested
to see how it goes for We'll talk more about
it before the end of the show and get into
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the Lakers and Clippers and whatever we feel like how
they're going to finish these their series as well. But
on the other side, we got our man, David Bassey
is going to join us talk some Dodgers, So let's uh,
let's come back on the other side and get into
the Dodgers with David Bassey, Adam Awsen and for Fred
Rogan and five to seventy LA Sports Go Yes, sir,
(39:55):
Dodgers getting ready for uh what Adam calls that stretch
of what do you call it, gimmes cream pops tipping
through the Yes, Yeah, get your get your Average up
series with a couple of teams they got coming up.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Hey, Muncy, you're gonna get some hits this time and
Roddy is not gonna take it away.
Oh yeah, we keep it moving.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
We keep it moving on a Monday, my man, the
double A and Fred says the salty one, Adam.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Austlin, keep it moving, keep it salty, yeah, uh.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Huh, gotta keep it salty, baby, especially in the springtime.
You gotta keep it salty, Adam. And for Fred today
chopping it up with some NBA and some Dodger talk.
But right now, let's get into uh, Adam, let's get
into what happened this past weekend, which is the NFL Draft. Now,
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it was otherwise a kind of a A lot of
people would like to say it was a week draft.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I hate to say that.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
The kids that are coming out and like calling their
draft class or week class or whatever we were. It's
yet to be seen what these kids are gonna do
once they get into the NFL. Right, and there's some players,
so I don't I don't want to do, you know,
talk bad about the scope of the entire draft. But
the focus of the draft certainly was on where was.
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First of all, everybody knew cam Ward from Miami was
gonna be the number one pick quarterback from Miami.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
He was gonna be a number one pick.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And then everybody figured out where, Hey, where's Travis Hunter
gonna go from Colorado? And then where's Shadu or Sanders
gonna go from Colorado? Those two Colorado kids dominated leading
up to the draft Draft weekend, and then we'll continue
for a period of time now because Travis Hunter, the
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Cleveland Browns ended up trading that pick to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Jacksonville gets Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
And then Chadure drops to the fifth round and on
the third day gets picked by the Browns. And there's
a lot to unpack with that one. First off, when
going into it, where did you think that he made go?
I know, there are a lot of talks and he was,
(02:02):
you know, definitely not. He's definitely wasn't in the cam
Word class of from scouts and everybody that were projecting
this draft that that cam Ward was going to be
the consensus number one pick and he was on a
different level than everybody else. And I think we had
and I believe this from what everybody was saying. It
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was cam Ward and then there was gonna be a
drop off from quarterbacks, but there will be other players picked,
but certainly felt like Shador was going to be in
that top three to four quarterbacks taken in the draft,
and of course he didn't. Then he dropped to the
fifth round. What did you make of the draft in
his situation? Because we just just jump into that right now.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I mean, look, coming in, I thought first or second round.
I did, And granted I'm not a scout. I'm just
watching as a casual viewer. And I had my eye
on Colorado the last two years like everybody else did.
They were on Fox all the time, and the majority
of my scouting, in opinion, shaping was done by Joe Klatt,
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to be honest, because I heard so many times him
talk about, oh, that's an NFL type throw Oh Shedur
Sanders here special, different, built different, he and Gus Johnson
going off about him so much. I bought into the
hype and I liked his style because I like Diana.
As a kid, I hated the Cowboys, and I would
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still wear a Cowboys jersey with Dion Sanders because I
just loved him. Maybe it was more than just you know,
on the NFL field, but on the Madden field in
video games like oh you got Deon Sanders, I'm gonna
try to put them at wide receiver. Have him with
that ninety nine speed out there like that's what I
was into. So for me, this was shocking, Like everybody else,
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would he drop to the third round? Nope, fourth round, No,
fifth round, pick one forty four. I didn't expect that
to happen. This is something where I think there is
a chasm of wealth acknowledge that we're missing as layman
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of the game because the intricacies of the NFL, and
as Petros would say all the time, it's so circumstantial
where you're picked, where you end up, and if that's
a good fit for you or not. So when I
see a guy drop like this, like everybody else, I'm wondering, Okay,
where'd he do? Did he just completely bomb the interviews?
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Is that bravado, that confidence too over the top for
an NFL locker room? Is it like the Boss when
he came in on that helicopter. Is it something that's
just so off putting. And I'll ask Vinnie Bonsignor about
this when he's coming. But have we moved past some
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of the hype to the point where NFL front offices
are so overly cautious with making mistakes and having it
blow up in their face that they just don't want
to take any risks anymore, that if there are any
red flags or warning signs out there, they're not going
to do it. And it's baked in that obviously he's
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gonna have Deon Sanders as his dad is attached to
the storyline and Dion brings a different level of energy
and I'm here for it. I loved watching Colorado. But
the other thing I started to think about Rodney is, Okay,
how much of this is built off of substance. And
you can speak to how good he is as a
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thrower out there, but the whole situation with Colorado. I
remember what Dan Lanning said for the Oregon Ducks before
they played him, and how he said, it's gonna be
played on the field, not in Hollywood. They're going for clicks,
We're going for wins. And it's his rallying cry to
get his guys going pregame right.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
Around which he said on camera that played on social.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Media right exactly on the irony. But did I buy
in too much? In some ways? And I'm just talking
about the physical attributes, not whatever happened in interviews. Did
I buy in too much because of things like Joel
Klatt going off about him because Colorado beat TCU that
was ranked their first game with Dion, and then TCU
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lost like nine games that year. We thought Colorado's for real,
that TCU win didn't mean anything, and Colorado lost like
seven of their last eight. But we kept talking about, well,
it's the offensive line, is the defense. It's not Sanders.
He's got it going on. He stands out. He and
Travis Hunter, they're above the rest of this team. And
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if you put him on an NFL roster that's talented,
he's going to be able to thrive. I don't know
what did you pick up on tape where you could see, Okay,
maybe his arm's not strong enough, or maybe he's not
making this right read what did you see when it
comes to actual scheme stuff with Shudur Sanders that actually
could have made somebody pause to taking.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Him well, first of all, the whole idea, and Colin
says this all the time, Oh, he's got the big arm,
big arm, big arm, big arm, it doesn't matter. I
hate the big arm statement because big arm. A lot
of guys come out of college with that. You can
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throw a javelin a million miles and throw football through
a brick wall and all those kind of things, Jeff, and.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Throw it hard as you can.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Oh my god, there's so many guys that I knew
and played with and played against and all the kind
of stuff that could throw it a mile. It is
not about that. First of all, you're not throwing the
ball one hundred yards in a game. You know, even
a deep you're throwing it at most it's going to
be forty five yards in the air, fifty yards in
the air at most. It is about accuracy and being
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on time and if you can throw the ball accurate
and put it. And when I say accurate, NFL accuracy
is different than college accuracy because college wide receivers are
running wide open.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
In college you don't have that luxury. In the NFL.
You have a small, small window that you got to
fit it into.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
And so how accurate is a guy is more important
than how far he can throw it. And Shador can
make first of all, he can make all the throws,
and whether that be in the pocket on the run.
He was harassed, he was sacked more than anybody in
FBS last year. He still threw for seventy four percent
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completion percentage and a team that didn't.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
Have a very good offensive line.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
As you mentioned, he was still extremely productive from a
quarterback standpoint, and again from a physical standpoint, he can
make every throw that's needed to make to be an
NFL quarterback. Now, did he rub people the wrong way?
And some of the things that Colorado did, And he did,
and you know, the watch and the jewelry and all
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the things, And yeah, I'm sure he rubbed a lot
of the old school guys that sit in those offices,
the scouts of general managers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
That looked at bow.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
That's not how we want our guy to be or
this is not this, this is not that.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But can a guy play at the end of the day.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
And we live in a different time, which is that
get off my lawn guy, which I think a lot
of these comments came from, is that's not the time
we live in. Players' kids are different now, they grow
up in a different age, different things that have happened
that you sometimes got to overlook. But I think that
his Dion and him and Colorado and how they changed
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the culture there in Colorado, changed that whole environment, brought
a whole bunch of new money to Colorado and those players.
The nil that what it provided during the same time,
I think it did. I think it rubbed some some
folks the wrong way and and and that affected it,
which is a shame because it has nothing to do
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with the what the guy can do on the field,
and it shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Be that way.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
But I just believed there was and for for folks
to say that there wasn't any kind of I don't
want to say collusion, but talk that oh no, you know,
we're not drafting that because it's going to be a circus.
Is absolutely definitely happened, and I don't think it was.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
It is a reality of what would happen. Dion's still
coaching at Colorado.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Deon is not going to be in the meeting rooms
wherever you know, chide or goes. He's not going to
go up to Cleveland on Tuesday and whin saying Thursday
and say I want to be around my son being
I'm gonna be on the sidelines. I'm gonna be at
the meetings. I'm gonna be at this when he's got
a team to coach in in Colorado. So that that
idea that he was going to be involved is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
Number one. But I think it's just it was.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
It was a shame because then you've got all these
people coming out with different ideas and reasons why that
don't put their name on it, Like assistant coach here
and assistant general manager here said, oh, he didn't test
well or he was arrogant, and well, say who you are? Right,
don't put it out anonymously. Oh I don't want to
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do anything, but I'm going to criticize the kid and
put it out there. But yet I'm not going to
stand behind it, so that you know that part of me,
you know it, part of it bothered me.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
But to suggest that he is not better than.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
A number of the quarterbacks that were taking ahead of
him is absurd, even the one that was taken ahead
of him in Cleveland, Dylan Gabriel. You're telling me that
Shador Sanders is not better than Dylan Gabriel and we
will find that out early in training camp. Who's a
better quarterback.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
But it just doesn't make sense to me, And it
doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
That Cleveland would draft Dylan Gabriel and then the very
next round draft Shador Sanders. Mike was definitely the owner
came in and said, oh, he's still available, go get him,
and they actually moved up to get him. But I
just think it was a backlash of an undercurrent of
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the NFL saying we are going to show this kid
and this family that you better be humble or we're
not going to draft yet.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I mean, the level of negativity that came out in
those anonymous reports. And look, we heard the stuff coming
out from let's say the Dallas Mavericks after Luca was traded.
Oh it's because this reason, that reason, But it's not
necessarily being attributed to Nico Harrison. They're trying to keep
it anonymous. So it is a little bit cowardly in
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that way. But I gotta wonder if he was so special.
I don't think there's any interview he could bomb hard
enough that that many teams would pass on him that
many times. I just feel like there might be a
disconnect in my limited football knowledge. Even though I agree
with you. I watched Dyan gabriel a Ton last year
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with Oregon. I thought he was better than him. If
he's in that situation with that team, Shadua Sanders is
definitely better. It's just crazy to me that he could
drop all the way to one forty four to the
fifth round if he's so talented, like if you take.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
Though, that's the thing. I don't think he is that talent.
He's not to the point where he's Trevor Lawrence a
few years back, right, Oh, Joe Burrow. That was a
consensus number one. Everybody felt that those guys are gonna
be can't miss guys.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
He's not.
Speaker 2 (14:08):
He's not on that generational quarterback level. He's not l
way coming out or anything like that. Don't get me wrong,
he's not. I don't think he is. I think he
can be a very good quarterback in the right situation
in the NFL. Again, key point, right situation in the NFL,
But he's not that generational talent, which is justification for
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people saying, well, there's no reason why he dropped. But okay,
if he dropped, he shouldn't drop behind five six other
quarterbacks that he was clearly better than. You know what
I'm saying. So if that's the case, then it really
doesn't make sense. But listen, let's let's let's let's take
a pause here. We're gonna bring Vinnie Botsor on to
get into this a little bit more on the other side.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Still more talk on the NFL draft.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Adam auslin In for Fred Rogan and five seventy LA Sports.
All right, all right, yes, this is a topic that
is not going away because all eyes are now going
to be on Cleveland, Cleveland, and the NFL is going
to be the center of the universe through training camp,
through preseason, through all of next season.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
So we will see. We'll get into it more with
Bennie on the other side.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Welcome back on a beautiful, beautiful Monday, Adam Austin and
for Fred Rogan. Today we talked a little bit about
the NFL Draft and Adam and I gave you, gave
you our thoughts.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Let's bring on our insider though.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Now, let's bring on our man, Vinnie Botzen, your who
covers who covers the NFL for the Las Vegas Review
Journal and he is the host of the In the
Huddle on nine to twenty AM Raider Nation Radio in
Las Vegas.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Our man Vinnie bots and your Vinnie, how you doing.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
I'm doing great. It was a long weekend, but a
fun weekend and now I'm anxious to see all these
guys out on the skial. We got Rooking mini camps
coming up in a week or so. Okas are gonna
get started, so we're actually gonna see put names to
faces and uh and actually see them on the grass
here pretty soon. So I'm fired up.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
No, it's the time. It's such a I mean, and
we've said this all the time. The NFL does a
great job of being you know, in the in the
news cycle for twelve months and then leading up to
the draft. I mean, first of all, it's the Super Bowl,
then the Combine, then leading up to the draft and
who's gonna get who's gonna get drafted where, and all
those kind of things lead up to it. And now
it's like it feels like it's a now you can
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exhale and like you said, wait for these guys now
to get on the field.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Now most most guys know where they're gonna be.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
There's still some names out there in free agency though,
but for the most part that the draft is over,
you can kind of see how they're gonna fit into
uh some of these NFL teams uh, and it will
be interesting to see. But it feels like we can
exhale now, Vinnie. But we can't really exhale because there's
still leftover residue from this draft, and we know what
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what I'm talking about, Adam.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I just chopped it up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
But I just want to get your take on Shador Sanders,
him dropping to the fifth round, going to Cleveland. You know,
all kinds of speculation of why and all those kind
of things. Just give me your take on him, Benny,
and and why he dropped so far?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Yeah, you know, part of it was evaluation, Rodney. I
think we talked about this on Friday after he did
not get drafted in the first round. And you know
how NFL teams get kind of hot up on elite traits.
Do you have the canon arm, can you run like
the wind? What do you bring to the table that
sort of differentiates yourself and makes you a first round pick?
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And you know, I think in a lot of cases,
should our Sanders just didn't have those oh my gosh,
gotta have it first round skill set in any of
those categories, which is okay, that's that's fine, But for
him not to go for him, for him to have
to wait until the fifth round to get his name called,
when when a bunch of other quarterbacks went ahead of him,
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I didn't agree with that at all. I felt like,
absolutely he should have been at least a second round pick.
But that's neither neither here nor there. I do have
a major issue with some of the things that we
started hearing, you know, some of the reports that came
out from anonymous sources. Look, I think if you're going
to say something as disparaging as some of the things
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that were said about should our standards in terms of
how he interviewed and things like that, puts your name
to it because otherwise it's just you know what I'm saying,
like like like like it was above and beyond this,
You've been a coward.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
It's being a coward was what it.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
Is, no doubt about it. But here's what's Here's what's
interesting about the whole thing and how as it all
played out and Rodney, maybe thirty five seconds after after
it was announced that he was going to the Cleveland Browns,
I got a text from an NFL general manager who
seemed didn't need a quarterback, and his words to me were,
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he's already the best quarterback on that roster. And you
think to yourself, I, first of all, I agree, but
you know, like if you just hear that or read that,
you're like, WHOA, They've got like a whole bunch of
quarterbacks on their roster. First of all, we have to
take Deshaun Watson out of it. He's hurt right now,
so don't know when he's ever going to come back.
But when you think about Joe Flacco, when you think
about Kenny Pickett, when you think about Dylan Gabriel, who
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I thought, there's no way that Dylan Gabriel should have
gone ahead of Sanders. I think that's going to get
proven on the grass when they get out there and
start competing. But as bad as it was, and my
heart went out to Usherdor throughout this whole process, as
bad as it was, as disappointing as it was, I
can't think of a better landing spot for him then,
not just the Cleveland Browns, but the but the depth
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chart that he now goes to contend with. I have
a feeling that when it's all said and done, it
might not be right off the bat that you go
with Joe Flacco, you know, to hold down the fort
for you know, a few weeks or whatever, until somebody
behind him emerges as the real option. But when I
think of Dylan Gabriel. No offense against Dylan Gabriel. He
did with his thing. But when I think of him,
when I think of Kenny Pickett, I don't see that
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that d or that Chandor is worse than those guys.
In fact, I think he's better and I think he
will be better. And I think if it couldn't have,
if you're going to have to experience the kind of
disappointment that he did, at the very least he goes
someplace where he's got a legitimate, almost a clear path
to winning a starting job.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Vinnie, I want to ask you this because we're trying
to sort through it. I was just as shocked as anyone.
I'm also not an NFL scout. If it was just
about talent and there wasn't any of this at least
perceived baggage or risk, where do you think he ends up?
Is he a second round pick? Is he a third
round pick? How much of the slide is about whatever
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that happened in the interviews, or whatever they think about Dion,
his father and some of these outside possible distractions.
Speaker 4 (20:56):
I'm sure inside you know that those are hard questions
to ask, and I'm not trying to evade it. But
you are talking about thirty two different rooms, and you're
talking about thirty two different head coaches, in general managers,
thirty two different situations, thirty two different appetites to deal
with certain things. Like I used to work for the Lakers,
and you know, obviously if there was going to be
some drama, you didn't you want to minimize it. But
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but to me, when I work for the Lakers and
over the years, I think the Lakers have proven this.
They're okay with if taking on challenges so to speak, right,
They're not going to act with insecurities over what might
this dad or this situation might bring. We're a strong
enough organization to deal with whatever it might come. I
think some of that was way over played. Do you
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think about Dion Sanders, He's had his own team to coach.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
You think he's.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Really going to be meddling into his son's you know, career.
He'll watch it, he'll chie him in, he'll make it,
He'll have his advice, just like any dad would. But
do you really think he's going to be a problem.
I mean, Rodney, I'll ask you that. Do you really think,
especially this is a guy that has a lot on
his plate, trying to trying to win football games at
the University of Colorado, Colorado. How much time do you
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think he's really going to have to devote to the
day in and day out of the of a career.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I don't absolutely none, none.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
And he's talked about being you know, I'm a dad first,
and and and all those things, and that's where he'll
be now that he's not Shador's coach.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
He will be he will be a dad.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
And and people got to realize, if you know anything
about Dion, he's just I mean, he's a tremendous talent.
Was to me, the best corner that's ever played. But
a lot of it's entertainment. As you mentioned, Vinny, he is.
He has got U he's coaching uh uh, you know,
big time college program, he's got TV shows, he's got
marketing stuff that he's doing.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
He is not going to meddle, you know.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
And a lot of it is the Bravado is the
persona of prime time and he's gonna speak his mind
and he's gonna be out there and that's what people
love about him. But to suggest that he's going to
be meddling, and that's why you're afraid of taking shaduur
as ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
Yeah, I completely agree. So to answer the question, yeah,
I'm sure in some buildings it played a role like
we do we do we want this quote unquote drama.
I think it's so overplayed though, and then it almost
makes my stumach you know, a turn and turnover. I
just hate that because to me, it shows insecurity in
you as an organization that you're that worried about something
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that I don't even think he's going to exist necessarily.
And that's why you may not draft a quarterback that
could really help you down the road. Now if now,
in certain rooms, Rodney, I mean in certain facilities, it
was just evaluation. Maybe there were teams out there and
it just didn't see it in terms of high end
or and that's fine, that's everyone has their their opinion.
But I think the bottom line of of it all is,
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and I'll go back to this, you couldn't have asked
for him for a better landing spot after all the
misery and disappointment, because I really truly believe he's got
a chance to win that job, and I really truly believe.
I watched every one of his games I'm not being
I'm not exaggerating that my son was a huge Dion
fan or is a huge Deon fan, and he's forced
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me to sit down and watch all the Jackson State games.
We watched every documentary that was you know, uh that
followed the Sanders from Jackson State to Colorado. I got
into it. I actually fell in love with with him
and Dion even more so watching them behind the scenes.
And I sat there and watched every one of his games,
and I frankly think he's a really good quarterback. I've
pat general managers tell me, Look, we get so enamored
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with the strong arm, We get so enamored with the
running ability, and with the athletic traits and all that
that's great, but we forget sometimes that quarterback is played
above the shoulders. And I defy anybody to watch the
tape of Sanders and not realize this guy puts the
ball where it needs to be. He throws, you know,
with timing, he makes good reads, he goes through his progressions.
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And I will also say this, having watched all of
those games, there were times when the ball got snapped
to s Sanders and it was the play had already
been blown up. That's how bad the offensive line was.
Sorry to throw anybody under the bus, but that was
the reality. He was playing under durest and the run
under and running for his life a lot of times
more often. Like if you put him in Ohio State
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or Alabama with with elite offensive lines and elite talent
around them, I think he would have been a first
round pick in that situation, but he wasn't. He played
at Colorado Revolved. That program was very limited in what
he had to work with, and the offensive line did
him no favors. But he still threw for completed seventy
four percent of his passes even in that kind of situation.
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How does that happen, you know, without having the ability
to read defenses and throw the ball where it needs
to be on time, in rhythm. So I think the
Browns got themselves a really good quarterback.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Loss back, Vinnie. Do you think the NFL has gotten
overly sensitive to anything that could be looked at as
a distraction? Whereas there have been so many cautionary tales
over the years, it has made them a little bit
too skittish and this could end up blowing up in
their face. With all the teams of pass on them.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yeah, no doubt about it, you know, And any coach
Rodney knows, there's any coach an organization, and we'll try
to minimize distractions. And for one second, to put put
put ourselves in a coach in general manager's shoes, you know,
uh not everybody has ten years. Nobody has ten years
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to get it turned around. Nobody, you know, everyone is
you know, one bad season away from being on the
unemployment line. And that's the reality of the situation. So
how do you try to maximize your opportunity as a
coach and a general manager is to avoid or try
to minimize distractions. And I think as a result of that,
teams do get a little bit skittish and probably you know,
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overly are are overly worried about that element of it.
But all I know is this, how much of a
distraction was It was at Colorado, which was a morbid
dying on the Vine program that the Sanders breathed life
into it and became kind of must see TV. Did
the distraction hurt Colorado? No, they They've played as good
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a football as they have in years. This was a
terrible program. Jackson ste eight was a bad program, and
they were winning league championships, going to ball games in
short order at Jackson State and then at Colorado. So
and it goes back to Deon Sanders. People want to
talk about him as a distraction, as a this or that.
All I know is Rodney. When I watched Deon Sanders
play baseball and football number one, his teammates spoke glowingly
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of him. Talk to his teammates and understand that behind
the scenes, away from the cameras and the commercials and
all that good stuff, he was the hardest worker and
the best teammate. And I'm talking about Yankees clubhouse, Cincinnati
Reds clubhouse, Atlanta Falcons locker room, San Francisco forty nine
Ers locker room, Dallas Cowboys locker room. And by the
way I play, remember correctly, the Falcons won a lot
of football games, and that was a bad organization. The
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Niners and Cowboys won Super Bowls. So whatever distraction we're
talking about certainly didn't hurt anything on the field with Dion,
and it didn't hurt Sadara Sanders at Colorado, and it
will not hurt this is the Cleveland Browns. In fact,
we might be looking at the Cleveland Browns a little
bit harder now. And that's a thing because for a
while we turned away from the Cleveland Browns because they've
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been so bad over the years.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, no doubt, all right.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So so trying to get a grasp on the on
the rest of the draft, Vinnie, how do you rate
the the Raiders and what they did on on this
draft weekend?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Yeah, typical Pete Carroll draft, Rodney, I think you appreciate
it when you talk about athletic ability. They when if
you look at relative athletics scorer the raz which takes
all your running and jumping and all that good stuff,
and there's a correlation between that and uh and and
good football teams.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
They were off the charts when it came to the
athletic ability. And that's without Ashton Genty even testing uh
you know at the at the combine. You put him
in there. Uh, and he's another elite athlete that the
team got a whole bunch of them. I think eight
eight guys that that are eight or above, you know,
in terms of their their rafts scorer. So you got
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some big, tall cornerbacks. You got a quarterback from Montana
State who's gonna be a wide receiver, kind of a
Julian Edelman type profile. You got a Dante Thornton from
from uh from Tennessee that's six foot five and runs
a four three forty typical kind of a Pete Carroll
kind of a guy. And obviously Ash and genty, you know,
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immediately lifting the floor of their running game. And we'd
be remiss not to talk about Geo Smith. And if
we want to talk about Sor Sanders and why the
Raiders didn't didn't draft him. They've got their quarterback for
a little while, and that's Gino Smith, and you know,
and and and had he not been on the roster,
I wouldn't have been surprised if he, if Sdart would
have been picked, you know, in the second round. But
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they are shooting in that with the sixth pick overall
in the first round. But they they want to kind
of win right now. They've got Geno Smith. They're trying
to maximize that did a pretty good job of it, Vinnie.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
And looking at the Rams, I mean, less need once
again f them picks. They trade their first round pick.
I just keep thinking, are they the most aligned front
office head coach situation in the NFL with the way
they're able to reload and see down the path into
the future a little bit of how they can continue
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to refine and compete year after year. They have young
guys on the come up now, so they could get
rid of the first round pick this season, plan for
next year where they'll have two of them. It just
seems like they are light years in front of other
teams right now.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Yeah, and now they got two first round picks next
year in a very good quarterback class. So keep an
eye on that. Less Need is as good as there
is in the business, you know, in terms of a
general manager. I ran into them at the owners of
betting in Florida and we're laughing because, you know, everyone
from what twenty sixteen, so I think last year they
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had gone without having a first round pick. That's how
long they didn't have a first round pick. And everybody,
you know, we all saw all the t shirts you
know about what left Need thinks about jeft picks. Well,
the irony, and this is what we were laughing about.
Over that same time period. Even though the Rams didn't
have a first round pick, they actually had the most
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or second most picks in the NFL in that time,
it was just second and third and fourth and comp
picks for drafting good guys and developing them and then leaving,
letting them go as free agents and collecting a third
or fourth round pick as draft compensation. So in fact,
he actually does value draft picks, it's just not always
in the first round. And the Rams and that group
have done not a good job, but a fantastic job,
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a finding talent all over the draft. I suspect this
is going to be another one, just like they have
been in the past. And that's how you built football
teams or good football teams, and you're able to play
the game of all right, somebody's graduated to a second contract,
but we've got somebody right behind them that's pushing out
at fields as it is, and we'll take that third
round pick or fourth round pick as compensation. And a
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lot of times times are like, why'd you let that
guy go? And then a year or two later, when
another good young player is right there replacing them, how'd
you get that guy? Well, you let somebody walk in
free agency. You played that game, and you got a
draft pick that that you found a good player and
developed that good player. So it's just like this well
oiled machine right now that the Rams got going on,
and that's as good a roster as there is in
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the NFL. Eventually they're going to have to replace Matthew Stafford,
and I think that's why they went and got that
second round or that second first round pick for next year.
And keep an eye on that, because I would not
be surprised if at some point, somehow, some way the
Rams either you know, with I think with the Atlanta
Falcons who they traded with it they're bad enough and
they've got a top ten pick, or you use your
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pick that you have in that pick to trade up
that the Rams. At this time next year, we're not
talking about one of the great young college quarterbacks that's
on the Rams roster.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Yeah, no doubt a very real quick Before we let
you go, we got to get to the Charges too,
because they they got their running back, much like the
Raiders did with a lot of people felt that, you know,
gent and Hampton were one in one, a Hampton out
of North Carolina. So what do you make of the
Charge drafted him number one and then the rest of
the Chargers draft real quick?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Yeah, I love Amarion Hampton and he's kind of your
typical Kim Harbaugh kind of running back. You've got your
bell count. Now you got your guy that they're going
to give the ball to twenty five times a game,
and he's going to get it done. I really love
Trey Harris, their wide receiver. You know, this is a
team that that needed explosiveness, needed at you know, weaponry
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on the perimeter for Justin Herbert. And now they've got
a couple of guys with Lad McConkie, you know, going
into his second year now Trey Harris, that that are
going to really help that offense. And it's a it's
a team. You know, last year they did what they could.
They made it to the playoffs, which a major step
in the right directions for them. Uh, but it was
it was it was a roster that you know had
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a lot of holes. Uh and Jim and and his
group hadn't had a chance really to to tinker with
it and add to it. But now they've got to
two draft you know classes to to put toward it.
And I really like what they did on the offensive
side of the ball in this traft, giving Justin Herbert
some legitimate weapons to do.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
It absolutely well.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
Bennie, that was That was awesome, man, A complete breakdown
of the draft and some other stuff. Other news will
keep an eye on Shador Sanders and how that plays
out in Cleveland. It will be very very interesting to
just put Cleveland front and center on training camp and
everything leading up to the season.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Man, thanks for joining us. Really really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
All right, sorry to get on my soapbox, but you
aft and I, uh I got fed up there, So
thank you guys.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Absolutely right on.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Right on our man, Bennie Bonce and your mini thanks
to him for joining us. And uh it's okay, Benny.
You can jump on your soapbox anytime. Man, it's it's
a time to do that. But uh more, NBA, when
we come back double A, I gotta get your take
on some things. Man, Come on, let's go a M
five seventy l.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
A sports not dame.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Oh yes, bring it back on a beautiful beautiful money again.
Thanks to Bennie Boxing you're breaking it down for us.
They're a lot to talk about right after the draft,
a lot of emotions, a lot of things going on.
I'm sure the stories will continue to flow, but right now, Adam,
I gotta get your take since they got you on Man,
you're in my captive audience.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
You're my captive. Now.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
We talked about the Clippers and the Lakers, and I
do want to get your take on on the finish
of both those series. But the rest of the NBA.
How are you feeling about the playoffs so far? To me,
it's been a very competitive, interesting playoffs so far in
the NBA. I'm I don't know what the ratings are,
(35:38):
but it is must watch TV. And I don't care
what series you're watching. If you're watching the Pistons and
the Knicks, you got to be glued to that. Also,
the Pacers a series is very very intriguing. The Bucks, unfortunately,
with Damian Lillard going out, you know, that's that's not good.
And unfortunately, you know, at thirty five years old and
having a torn achilles, it's just as devastating.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
The Warriors, Rockets.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
I mean, every series feels like Man, maybe except for
the Bucks because they look like they're done, But every
series feels like it's competitive other than that one in
maybe Orlando maybe is not competitive, but the other ones
feel good about the NBA.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
How you feeling about it?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
I mean, outside of Cleveland. They're up three to zero
on Miami, and outside of OKC, they're already in the
second round waiting for the winner of the Clippers and
the Denver Nuggets. It's been hot, it's been good. I
love the New York Detroit series.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
And I feel like old school nice man.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
You know, it just feels like bad boys and then
breaking into the nineties, even the Allen Houston days and
then and then even Chelsey billup in the two early
two thousands. It feels like that that kind of series
with the Knicks. Man, its just it's been great and
competitive and physical.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Cat has stepped up. The threes that he was hitting
yesterday were insane.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
Was he feeling it or what? Like?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Carl Anthony Towns has been called out over the years
for not showing up in big playoff games, and now
he is. You know, it's him and Jalen Brunson as
the guys in New York and for him to catch
fire knock down that thirty dead eye, I mean, that's nasty.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
He would have I think he would have assaulted his
teammate if they didn't get him the ball in that moment.
He was absolutely feeling it down the stretch, the one
he hit behind the backboard, you knew it was on then,
and then him drawn back and forth with Tobias Harris
during the whole game, and and them going at him
and him not you know, him complaining because he's another
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one that complains a lot to the officials but not.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
Getting many calls.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
And then for him to catch fire like that, and
that building in Detroit with Spike on.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
The sidelines, it just was it added all to the drama.
But man, he put on a show down the stretch.
Speaker 3 (37:54):
Big cat saying, let me test this heater right now. Now,
the controversy at the end of that game, Rodney, I
have to say I got a little bit of PTSD
from my early days up in Sacramento watching the Kings
versus Lakers series from two thousand and two. What was
uh Nick Bavetta out there again? Was he helping him out?
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Like?
Speaker 3 (38:13):
That's what that felt like to me.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Now on Nick Vetta's name is because the oh yeah, then,
oh my god.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Well, look, I get it's been very physical in these
playoffs and people have liked it, and that is brought
back a throwback type of feel, the physicality they're letting
go out there, But at the end of a game
like that, I think that's a call.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
That you make.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
Earlier in the fourth quarter, if Josh Hart fouled Tim
Hardaway Junior, it was that glaring, It was that obvious.
Speaker 1 (38:44):
JB.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Bickerstaff is out of his seat immediately. He didn't wait
for any replay. Everybody in the arena had the angle
on that foul. It's one thing to let physicality go.
It's another to let it go on a jump shot
from three. And that's where I would say, I think
you have to make that call. But the rest feel
like if I make this call, it's going to determine
the game, and we don't want the game to end
(39:04):
like that. But the other side of it is by
not making obvious calls, you're also determining the game in
some ways. I didn't love that, I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I didn't love it at all either.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
And it'll be talked about for for a for a
long period of time because I think Detroit outplayed them
throughout the whole game. They just you know, New York
caught fire at the end Brunson coming back from the injury,
and then the cat went went off. But it was
it's been amazing so far in the playoffs. I'm interested
to see how it goes for We'll talk more about
it before the end of the show and get into
(39:34):
the Lakers and Clippers and whatever we feel like how
they're going to finish these their series as well. But
on the other side, we got our man, David Bassey
is going to join us talk some Dodgers, So let's uh,
let's come back on the other side and get into
the Dodgers with David Bassey, Adam Awsen and for Fred
Rogan and five to seventy LA Sports Go Yes, sir,
(39:55):
Dodgers getting ready for uh what Adam calls that stretch
of what do you call it, gimmes cream pops tipping
through the Yes, Yeah, get your get your Average up
series with a couple of teams they got coming up.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
Hey, Muncy, you're gonna get some hits this time and
Roddy is not gonna take it away.
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