April 29, 2025 • 39 mins
Adam and Rodney talk about the importance of coaching decisions and we hear from Clippers head coach, Ty Lue, who defended JJ Redick's decision to play the same lineup for the entire 2nd half of Game 4. We dig deeper into why Shedeur Sanders slid in the draft over the weekend
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh yes, we keep it all moving.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
On a Tuesday, Adam Austlin, Rodney Pete here on AM
five seventy many thanks to Jacob and Ronnie dan Woiki
is going to join us this hour to talk some
NBA and particularly the Lakers and where they stand right
now and they got a chance to come back, but
staying you know, kind of in first starting with the NBA,
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but we can transition to other sports as well. Is
I want to get into the coaching part of it,
because one of the big things over the weekend, and Adam,
you brought this up yesterday for sure, is JJ Reddick's
decision to play the same five guys in the entire
second half, which is something that is extremely unusual, that
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doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Guys will at least get a minute or two.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Break in a half or in a quarter, and the
same five guys for the Lakers played the entire second half,
and you could feel and you could see that they
were a little gassed in the last two to four
minutes of that game, and many reasons why he did that.
He's talked about it, but I don't necessarily think I
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agree with it. I know you don't agree with it
with it, Adam.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
But in these.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Critical moments, especially in the playoffs and big games and big,
big situations, is this an experienced thing from coaches or
is it just coaches sometimes going with what their gut
tells them in the moment. Because I always want to,
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you know, kinda be prepared for situations, and I think
a lot of coaches are these days because there's so
much analytics, and I always believe that you were always
and should be prepared for every scenario going through it,
whether it be the last two minutes of the game
or second half or whatever adjustments you have to make
and halftime. But it felt like it was something that
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JJ just went with his gut in the second half.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
One of the lines from my favorite movie ever, Transformers
nineteen eighties eighty six, the cartoon movie of Transformers Okay,
where they swore in it an Optimus Prime died and
it scared the hell out of kids who were running
out of the theater screaming. He goes, it's like in the
first twenty minutes because obviously he sacrifices himself, but he goes,
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Megatron must be stuffed, no matter the cost. JJ Reddick
was like, we must win this game no matter the cost.
They didn't win. And now it's almost like, did you
have too much of a sense of urgency? Is it
possible to have too much of a sense of urgency
in this case? Did he because of the ramifications as
you mentioned? How do you get those guys back that
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didn't get it in the second half? How do you
go back to Jackson Hayes or Van doh or Gabe
Benson go, I know I thought you loses the game
in game four, but this time I need you to
help win the game in game five. How do you
have that conversation? How do you start that? I don't know,
and I just saw this. I guess you just spoke
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at practice JJ, Reddick and Rodney. He doubled down when
asked When asked about if he thought he saw any
fatigue in reviewing the film with a fourth quarter from
the players that were out there for twenty four straight minutes,
he said, quote, no, and you know what, what do
we score nineteen twenty and thirteen in the fourth quarter
of losses in this series? Is it a trend? More
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so than that our two best players missed layups at
the rim? So he's saying, oh, No, I had nothing
to do with fatigue. It's just we haven't played well
enough in fourth quarters, regardless of how many minutes they
played in the second half. I don't know about that one.
We all saw it. We all saw the reason you
missed those layups.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, reason you don't have legs on your jump shot.
You know when you're shooting threes and missed threes wide
open looks, and you know, not getting back on defense,
not moving your feet. I mean, there's a lot of
things you can point to that that tell you that
it's there's some level of fatigue going on, and I
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need a break. And a player, and let's face it,
a player is not going to say, hey, take me out.
Luca's not going to say take me out of the game.
You know, I need I need a break, especially in
crunch time. The game is on the line, you know,
the series potentially is on the line. I'm not gonna
put my hand up and say take me out. Lebron's
not going to do that. None of those guys are
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going to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Pedro Martin on the mound, he's not coming off. You're
gonna have to do coming out.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You're not coming out and and so you sometimes have
to you have to protect the guys from themselves as
a coach and as a manager or whoever's in charge,
because the players will go above and beyond to try
to win because that's who they are, that's what got
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them to where they are and in this stage of
their life is that they were complete competitors and so
they're not going to do that and they're not going
to volunteer to come out of the game. So you
have to do it themselves or you have to do
it for them. But we all saw it. You're right,
we all saw it was clear that they were gassed.
I mean, I know Anthony Edwards can get up under
a lot of folks skin and that's his game.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
He wants to do that. I mean he.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Kendrick Perkins said on the broadcast, He's like he climbs
up to Timmity looking for the smoke. He wants it
all and he.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Does first Santa, Yeah he.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Does, man, because he said after the game, I could
tell I looked at him.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
They were gassed. They were gassed in the last two
minutes of that game.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
And it's you don't have to be a rocket science
is to see it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But for him to double down. That's kind of weird
to me.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
He also said they asked him about the starting lineup,
what's it gonna be for Game five? Well, I ask
Stan Wike about this too, But are you just going
to start Dorian Finney Smith over Jackson Hayes since he
only played four minutes. Anyways, you might as well just
go with the guys that you believe in the start
off the ball game. He said, TBD to be determined,
So I think it's likely at this point. But I
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remember something else that came out yesterday from coach lou So.
This happened at practice and we got the audio and
while he was being criticized actually for not having the
right personnel on the floor to either get a rebound
or get a stop so it could go into overtime
before the miraculous air ball that was caught by Aeric Gordon,
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Aaron Gordon of the Denver Nuggets putting it back in
after the jokch miss and Law Murray of the Athletic,
who full disclosure. I have him on all the time
on Clippers Talk and he's a friend. He covers the
Clippers for the Athletic. He and coach Lou kind of
got into it regarding the JJ Reddick decision of whether
or not that worked or not. So here was Coach
Lou yesterday.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I wish I could do that too, but I'm gonna
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know, it's with the game called for it.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
You know you can't question. I mean, y'all always got
questions about what the coach doesn't wanna lose to day.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
They won been win, what THEYDA want?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
What was just saying I would have been the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
This game came Fourthus you know what.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I'm saying, THEYDA won. Would you been talking about he
played a guy in the whole second half? Would have
been a story? Oh well if not, THEYDA won.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
If they would have won, then hostime.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Whatever it takes to win the playoffs. I don't care
if you play a guy one hundred minutes, Like, if
you got to play a hundred minutes to win the game,
you win the game.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And so you know you can't.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Question, you know what the coach does or that's what
kids were the ghost like, yeah, okay, you'll have your opinion,
but at the end of the day, you're trying to
win a game. You don't know what goes into that. Like,
so when you watch the stories, if you write stories
about oh yeah, you could be wrong too, and your stories,
I don'tbody call y'all.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
So you know they don't.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
People don't read it really, But I'm just saying. All
I'm saying is like when it goes into winning the
game in the playoffs, you never know what you gotta
go through to get to that point. And so the
coach guy does what he what he has to do
to try.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
To win the game.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Like, all right, there's a lot there, Roddie, what do
you want to start with?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Wow, you could tell it's a coaching fraternity, right, they
stick together.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So that part I do I do actually actually like I.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I do actually agree with him. Had that the Lakers
won the game, it would have been a strategic move
by JJ Reddick. It would have been it would the
spend would have been. This is why he should be
Coach of the Year. He felt something, he went with
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his gut and it worked out for the Lakers in
a critical game that they had to have, and the
Lakers won the game. Because he's stuck with his starters,
or stuck with the same five guys in the second half.
I agree with Tyler on that on that aspect.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Of it, a young coaching innovator. Maybe he is the
next pat Riley. Like nobody thought of.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
This absolutely different. We would have.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Talked about it differently because it was that close. It
was that close, so they win that game, the entire
narrative shifts to he did what it took. He showed
a level of desperation to get the series side up
at two to two. Going back home, it's the best
of three, and they got home court advantage.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, as much as we talked about that, you know,
this hadn't been done. Nobody's done this since I don't
know how long, and all the history and all that.
We would have said the same thing on the On
the flip side, this is something that nobody's done since
nineteen ninety eight or whenever it was that somebody played
the same five guys for entire half in the second half,
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and he would have been looked at as, like you said,
an innovator, all the best coach since pat Riley got
the same kind of hair. I mean, it was just
it would have been a total different perspective and narrative
about the game. But the fact that they lost is different.
So I get I get ty Lou, and he tried
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to put it put who was that? Who was that
was asking the question athletic? That's yeah, so he was
he he didn't believe that that the narrative would be different.
I don't know why he didn't believe that the narrat
would have been different, or or that if you know
and ty, which you can't do either. You can't flip
it around and say if you guys write a story
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then and you get it wrong, nobody's gonna question you it.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
There is a comments section on the Athletic I have
seen all get question a few different.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, absolutely they have.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
He's covered him forever, so I think there's that context
is worth mentioning that they can have a back and
forth like that, and coach Lou felt comfortable enough, and yeah,
maybe it was contentious, a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Correct me if I'm wrong. Did he say I wish
I could have done that?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
He did talking about playing all the second half. Yeah,
that's exactly what. Yeah, so it's not something that other
coaches haven't thought about, at least right like, because JJ
Redick was in a position, maybe part of the reason
he did. It was because everybody would go to the
roster afterwards and say, well, who did he really have
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to turn to in this game? Brandon Goodwin gave Vincent
van do Oh a bunch of guys that for the
most part, they're good on one end of the floor,
bad on the other. Jacob and Ronney, he brought up
a good point about how, you know, why hasn't Dalton
connect played or why didn't Vando play? But I would say,
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I think this still goes back to roster construction. One
of those guys is really good on offense or can
help stretch the floor, but is really bad on defense.
One of those guys is really good on defense, but
he offers nothing on the offensive side. And so JJ
does have kind of a built in.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah he does.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
All right, we're gonna get more into this with Dan
wiki who's going to join us on the other side.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Appreciate it. Adam a lot more to.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Talk about with this coaching decisions and what they do
because it's critical crunch time for the Lakers and the Clippers.
Adam Austlin, Rodney Pete A and five seventy LA Sports.
All Right, welcome back, Welcome back. It is a beautiful Tuesday,
Adam Austlin and for Fred Rogan today and uh, we
got to bring on our man, Adam. I know we
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just talked a little NBA, but we got to bring
on our man to really bring it all down for us.
He's the man about town. He's a man everything NBA,
Lakers for the La Times, Dan Wiki.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Dan, how are you, gentlemen? I'm good, I have We've
We're at the point of the season where I where
you like, legitimately do not know where you are going
to be on Thursday, whether you're going to be home
or where they're gonna be on a plane.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
What would you what would you prefer?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I think.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Both have benefits. Let's just say that there are benefits
to both.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I think I know what the Lakers will prefer.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Yes, never has anybody wanted to go back to Minneapolis
as much as the Lakers Target Center.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Oh that's like Disneyland for us.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Can't wait?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, Dan, Hey, Dan, did you did you see uh
this coming? You know, the Timberwolves coming out like they
they have been, you know, guys kind of playing above
Julius Ramdo acting like he was a rookie again. Our
second year with the Lakers, you know read hitting threes
like he's you know, hitting layups. I mean sure, they
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came out feeling like the Lakers. Everybody believed the Lakers
are going to run through them, and Minnesota said waiting.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Not so fast.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
So I thought the Lakers were gonna win the series.
I thought they were going to win it in six
seven games because I thought the teams were pretty even,
and I thought, I think the thing that I didn't
expect to happen is sort of what happened in game four,
Game four, Game four, which would be the Lakers lose
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a close game because of some of their own miscues.
I thought that was surprising. I thought that was the
edge that the Lakers would have, would be poised, would
be would be control that you know, that they would
get the ball in bounce on a sideline and bounds play,
that they would execute defensively down the stretch, that they
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would make more of the big plays, do the smarter
thing more regularly. And Minnesota's sort of, you know, kind
of like wild card energy is that I think that's
probably how we describe how they play, like there there's
sort of a wild card energy to it. Yeah, and
that that would come back to bite them, and it didn't,
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And so I think that was surprising. I'm not surprised
that it's been close. I mean, I think and I
don't think anybody around the Lakers is particularly surprised about that.
I mean, there was a very healthy respect for the
Minnesota Timberwolves. You know, at least I can speak, you know,
when it comes to the locker room and the coaching
staff that they knew they were playing a very good
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basketball team.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Did they lose the game because JJ played five guys
the entire second half? Or is this about well he
doesn't have enough playable guys. That's the real issue.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yes, is the answer. You know, I think.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Is more than JJ Redick.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
You No, I think it's just both. You know, I
don't think it asked me one or the other, Adam.
I mean I think that, you know, I do think
it hurt them that that they were tired down the stretch.
I think that's I think it. It's hard to know
how much that mattered. You know, you talk to the
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guys about it, and they all said they wanted to
be out there, they felt like they were okay, that
they could keep going cool. That's all true. And then
you know, you see Lucas just Missileaup, you see Lebron
missilay up, Austin Reeves miss a couple open threes. You know,
you're a little slow on rotations, a couple of times,
you make bad decisions. Those are all things that you
can tie to fatigue. But I also think that you know,
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JJ felt the pressure to play guys that he felt
could contribute on both sides of the basketball, and the
Lakers don't have that many of them, you know, and
like you don't need you don't need ten guys in
the playoffs, you need eate. I do think that not
finding three minutes for gave Vincent, not finding three minutes
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or so for Jared Vanderbilt, not finding three minutes for
Jordan Goodwin is a mistake, and I think it. I
think it violates some of the ethos the team is
created over the season about like how they want to
play and who they want to be, you know. And
to me, that's really a really interesting thing between now
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and tomorrow night is getting those guys back, yeah, and
you know, telling them again that we do believe in
you and we count and we we will count on you,
and having them believe it after you know, evidence to
the contrary.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And what was also surprising the way, I guess, adding
to the surprise is that Luca is coming off the illness,
you know, and he's playing game four and played the
whole second half after being you know, visibly sick a
couple of days before or a day before. Were you
h did that surprise you even more? Because he definitely
looked like he was sluggish and dragging late in that
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fourth quarter.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I mean again, not surprised that he wanted to be
out there, and not surprised that he put himself in
a position be available. I think when you talk to
people at Lukadacic, people do talk about conditioning, They do
talk about things like that. Nobody ever talks about competitiveness.
That doesn't come up, you know, at least as a negative, right,
like this is a tough dude who wants to be
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on the court and will like figure out ways to
stay on the court. I think he always kind of
looks like sometimes like he's just cent of a sluggish
looking guy. Who is that the you know? And I
say that as someone who also looks very sluggish like
I think, uh, I think again, yeah, you're right. I
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mean he was he's still sick or he was still
sick on Sunday. You know, I talked to look after
his press conference and told him that, you know, I
mean I saw him Friday kind of leave the locker room.
We didn't talk to him Friday night after the game,
and I saw him kind of walk out, and I
mean he was pale as pale can be, you know,
had on a sweatsuit and a beanie and just was
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like it if you told me took him fifteen I say,
from the locker room of the bus. I had to
believe you, Like, that's how slow he was moving, Like,
you know, like this is we've all made that walk
from like the kitchen to the bed or the bathroom
to the bed when you're sick, right, And that's what
I look like. And you know, I asked the amount.
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I was like, oh, at least you look a lot better.
He's like, I don't feel that much better. Like I
still have got I still have it. And I think,
you know, he's not making excuses when he says that.
I just think that like he was going to pour
a lot into this game, because it's the playoffs that
is what you do, and they know what the challenges
are up against, right, and so I think again multiple
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things are true. I think that the Lakers should have
committed more to the players that they have. I think
that they should have rolled with in a perfect world,
believed in the roster that that has been constructed. But
I think, you know, respecting Minnesota, knowing how good Minnesota is.
You know, I wrote this myster like, you do feel
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a pressure to meet it with your absolute best. That's
what they tried to do. That was the bet.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Desperate times, call for desperate measures. Is Jackson Hayes going
to be playing the rest of the series after just
four minutes? Do you expect Drian Phinney Smith to just
start now in Game five?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I do expect them to stay small because I think
it's hard to go back. I just think it's hard
to go back when you make that change. You know,
if they can, if they can find active minutes for him,
I think it's helpful. One of Adam one of the
downsides to playing small all the time is that it
is also tiring.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, you know that.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
That has been a thing that's been sort of building
over the last couple of months around the Lakers. Is that,
like the style they've had to play has been a
tiring style and you wonder if, like if they've just
made like too many withdrawals from the bank account on that.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I mean going back to the game in Denver in
February where they had that great win over Nicoleojo Kinch
and JJ Reddick stayed awake for forty eight hours or
seventy two hours to game plan for that. It's like great,
Is it sustainable? Can you really do this over and
over again in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
And I think again, like yes, like you can win
small in the playoffs. I mean the Golden State Warriors
have won small playoffs. Teams do it. It is tiring,
and I mean, like any of this stuff, Adam, I
mean like you need luck right and.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
In depth to play that way.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You need luck.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, you need luck, you need depth, You need a
lot of things to go right. I think that, you know,
this is a very difficult small ball matchup because Minnesota
is big and athletic, you know, like Jane McDaniels is
not like a small player. Like he's six' ten with
like like a crazy reach and he's really really bounty
like Nas reed is not a small ball, Player Truleius
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randall certainly is not a small when he the minutes
when he plays, center Right, like he's a, bulldozer and
that's a, challenge, Right AND i Think gobert has fared
pretty well in part due to against some, uncontrollables, Right,
LIKE i think watching The lakers all season, long and
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this is an, excuse it's just a reality of who
they are and the way they've been, built like they've
been pretty lousy after long. BREAKS i, think you, know
as you get, older starting and stopping become, issues And
Lebron james has struggled and starts and stops all. Season
like that's just the reality of. It and so the
way they played In game, ONE i was not surprised,
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by you, KNOW i, thought you, know AND i still,
think really it's weird to say this down three to,
one you, know but you you look at the ebbs
and flows of a. Series The lakers played two games
Of minnesota where they had chances to win in the
fourth quarter and. Didn't if they put, themselves if they
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give themselves a third opportunity In minnesota to win a
game in crunch, time LIKE i wouldn't be surprised if
they do, it you, know like they're a good veteran,
Team like that's kind of how a series, works you,
Know and if if you can get this back tale
for a game, seven who knows what will. Happen it's
just sort OF i, THINK i think it's certainly. Unlikely.
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Right minnesota to me has shown that they're gonna be
really really hard to beat three times in a. Row
but that's The. West you, know all of these teams
all like like really minus Minus Oklahoma city in the
ONE a. Matchup all these teams have been separated by a,
whisker a fingernail and the you, know the clippers on its,
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case you, know a defensive stop in The Rockets warriors,
case you, know a trip and a turnover and a you,
know a slow rotation or an end one and The
Lakers timberwolves case like this is. Tight this is it's
it's these teams are all basically the, same which is
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what the record, showed and you need a lot to
go right to get.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Through, yeah, no it's been a it's been an entertaining
even on the other, Side detroit and The New york.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Series has been really really good as.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well so you, know down three to, one you still
try to be optimistic about, This like you, SAID i
If lakers can get this, one this next one and
at home and then go back To, minnesota they've been.
Close if they can squeak one out and get game
seven back at The, CRYPT i like their. Chances but
if they, don't because a lot of, people including me
and and you said it that you had picked The
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lakers to, win a lot of people pick them to
go to The Western conference. Finals if not the, finals
that doesn't. Happen they get bounced.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Early with.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
What happens to the narrative Of luke And lebron getting
this done because a lot of people thought that we're
gonna get it done this, year but some people were,
like well wait until next year where they have a
full year. Together does that do to that situation Or?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
YEAH i MEAN i think that's the. RESET i, mean
that's the reset of the, narrative right like AND i
Mean i'm not a huge narrative, guy BUT i mean
it's the rally of the, situation right is that they
went at this with the roster they have right, now
and it's on management's job to put a better one
together next year that better fits the personnel they, have
and you, know using the tools that they, have the
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limited tools they, have and that in terms of draft,
capital young, players et. Cetera you, know they'll have some expiring,
contracts they'll have some free agency spots that they can
get a little bit more creative. With they can pick
a cleaner. Direction that's all. True IF i was A lakers,
FRIEND i wouldn't want to hear it On, thursday you
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know WHAT i? Mean, LIKE i, mean like AND i
know in the locker, room like this was a team
that after they came, together like while understanding all of
those things and all of those, challenges AND i mean
they knew how since they were in the front, court
they knew how they needed more two way. Playmaking they,
like they know all of this stuff, Right like this
isn't you Know laker fan twenty nine thirty eight posted On,
(26:10):
Twitter and like all of a, sudden they're, like oh my,
gosh he's. Right, LIKE i, mean they're aware of their.
LIMITATIONS i think they thought that they can mask them
a little. Better and so, YEAH i mean that's it's
time for hard reflection as to what you are and
what you. Aren't big. Picture it's hard to take any
(26:31):
big picture look on Local lebron because you Know lebron's
played twenty two. Seasons you, know, well no one can
know for sure how many more there are after.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
That dan in looking at and it's Too i'm not
giving up on The lakers at this. Point i'm not
even A laker. Fan i've just seen this too many
times where they come back, home they Win game, five
and now it's like you just got to win game
six on the road and get it back to a
game seven at home and.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Good it is very Much it is very much LIKE i,
mean of all the there's only two ways to be
down three, one this is the Preferred, yes, uh we
have two more at.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Home, yeah but kind of going big, picture even if
they get out of this. Series one of the reasons
That Nico harrison we think Traded luca is because he
thinks he has fatal flaws as a. Player have any
of those surfaced in your? Mind do you look At
luca at all different since they're down three?
Speaker 5 (27:23):
ONE i, MEAN i, think like yes and. NO i
think he needs to be more competitive. DEFENSIVELY i think
certainly that's a. THING i think judging The, Minnesota, LIKE i,
Mean game Three minnesota is a difficult judge because of
knowing how sick he. Was he had some really big
(27:45):
shots in the, game made some really bad plays in that.
GAME i, think, though he needs to be more competitive
defensively and to function within their team defense, certainly and you,
know as far as fatal flaws, GO i just, think
like he's not a perfect basketball. Player he was in
THE Nba finals last, Year like we like just saw
this so and we just saw it Against Anthony edwards, too,
(28:09):
Right like that happened also last year in The Western covers.
Finals SO i think that there are area is certainly
where he needs to be. BETTER i think there have
been factors that have contributed him to him not being
as good as he can be to cover up the, weaknesses,
right a bunch of. Them like you, know The lakers
(28:31):
shot making has been pretty pretty bad at times in
the first two. Games it was much better In, minnesota
but you, know like that's the, thing certainly in the fourth,
quarter like big, Shots like he's got to make more,
Shots he's got to be in a better. Rhythm you,
know he has to have more of a game, flow
and they've got to get more. STOPS i, mean it's
not you, KNOW i think casting any real judgment as
(28:54):
to say, like, Oh Nicole harrison was, Right Nicole harrison was.
Wrong that's not gonna Be, yeah it's not going to
be a right now this like like there's won't be
enough evidence of. It but, YEAH i, MEAN i think
anybody who's watched the just four nos like he doesn't
compete defensively the way you'd like him to all the.
Time then it's frustrating because then you're watching him Like
game two and he's like in it, defensively particularly on the,
(29:15):
ball and you're, like, oh, okay like do that, Again,
yeah more of, that, please you can. Do that's the frustrating.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Part, dan there's any before we let you, go you,
know aside from what we just talked about with The,
lakers what surprised you at all in in the in
the playoffs so, far Because Golden state looks like they're
on the verge of winning. It AND i also want
to get your take on on The clippers series as.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Well, YEAH i, MEAN i, THINK i, mean, like, CERTAINLY i,
MEAN i Think denver's resolve has been a little surprising
to me because they have seemed at times like a
team that is like ready to. Break like we've seen
Like Nicola jokic be more animated on the court than
(30:00):
we've ever really seen. Before, obviously we know they fired the,
coach they were a team in, turmoil they fired the general.
Manager you, know they've had to cut out some really
really tough wins against a very Good clippers basketball. TEAM
i think that's been a little surprising to me that
they've been able to like find resolves in type. Moments
you know that wasn't surprised That Oklahoma city, rolled wasn't
(30:22):
surprised At cleveland. ROLLED i, think you, know The Detroit
nicks scrapping has been, good has been fun to. Watch
it's like the game's been really really. Physical it had
there there's been you, know lower variants when it comes
to like three point. Shooting there hasn't been like games. Work,
no well they made thirty. Three is like like the
(30:43):
game style hasn't really allowed for that so far in the. Playoffs,
YEAH i, mean, OBVIOUSLY i, MEAN i think the biggest thing,
though right has been has been the Way denver for,
me has sort of backed down some some pretty tough
moments when it looks like their team that was about to,
fracture you, know which is and THAT'S i, mean that's why,
that's to, me is the most compelling series that's happened so, far,
(31:06):
Right like that's like become the musty to me is
like you, know what's the crazy thing that's going to happen?
Next yeah all, RIGHT i mean like, sure, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Clippers do get past, it, THOUGH i you, KNOW i
think they they become VERY i thought they were scary
With kawhi, anyway but they become even more.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
SCARY i think they get Past.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
YEAH i mean It's. Ronney it's, hard LIKE i, mean,
honestly like anybody who wins any of these series is
like it's scary for their own. Reasons.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, yeah it's gonna be great going going down to.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Stretch, dan appreciate you're always great with, us, Brother thanks
for joining.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Us that's also also also fairly scary sometimes.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Too enjoy that trip back To Minnesota i'm calling it.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Now, yeah, yeah, boy all, right there it is all,
right Thanks dan taker.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Calling it, Huh adam calling that trip back To, minnesota.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
HUH i, Mean, jacob they're gonna get some home. Cooking
it's home court evators for a. Reason they are The.
Lakers i'm just, saying we've seen this story.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Before uh, huh uh. Huh come, on a lot of
things can happen at The.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Crip, yeah let me tell, You i've seen some things
in my.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Day be back to wrap it. Up Rodney, Pete Adam, Oustlin,
yeah come, on oh, yes come On, Tuesday Adam, Oustlin Rodney. Pete, beautiful,
beautiful Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Tuesday they stay tuned because next, Hour andy, McCullough the
athletic joins. Us he had an interesting article he wrote
about money and baseball and the discrepancy and who the
haves and the have nots, Are and we'll get into
that discussion with. Him But, adam real, QUICK i just
(33:00):
want to get back Into Shador sanders real, quick because
it's gonna kind link on through the OTAs In, june
the mini, camps the training, camp and then the start
of the. Season and it's interesting that he went to
(33:20):
The browns because they have an interesting roster with a
forty year old quarterback And Joe, flacco who they Have
they traded For Kenny, pickett who was drafted By pittsburgh
played At philadelphia last year they traded for, him and
some say he doesn't have it. Anymore that's why he's
(33:44):
been shipped to three places in three.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Years and then they.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Drafted Dylan gabriel in the third round Before. Chador so
the quarterback room In cleveland is going to be very,
interesting very. Interesting not, all not all of those guys
are going to be there at the start the. Season but,
man it just it's got a it's got the making
for some. Chaos and the only saving GRACE i would
(34:08):
say is they do have forty year Old Joe, flacco
who actually won A Super bowl in that. Room that
it could be the daddy, figure the calming force in
that in that quarterback.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Room, man how do you think it's gonna? Go you
know as we go?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Forward now he has a, home uh in the back
lass that he's taken so far and the back is
the backlass?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Warranted did he bring it on?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
HIMSELF i, mean is there still time for Hard knocks
to sign a team for this? Season this would be so,
Good this is so. Juicy it's overflow of quarterbacks going.
On Was Grandpa joe and His Joe flacco is still.
Elite maybe that mentor that father figure will will help
them to some. DEGREE i just wonder like the MORE
(34:57):
i think about it in the, slide the more people
do the autopsy on why this. Happened AND i Heard
joel cladd a little bit earlier, today and he was
the guy THAT i looked. To is kind of my football.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Compass, Yeah, No joe is very good at what he.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Does he's dialed into everything college and, pros just a
wealth of.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
KNOWLEDGE i love listening To Joe. Cloud he does a great.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Job and he called a lot of his games AND
i know you're calling the. Game you gotta hype guys.
Up you got to talk about. Him BUT i think
he was sincere with all the praise he was heaping
Upon Shudar. SANDERS i do think he was as shocked as.
Anybody BUT i think it comes down to is the
juice worth the, squeeze, Right, like if he's not going
(35:41):
to be an elite, talent are you going to be
okay with putting up with some of the distraction? Stuff
AND i, know Maybe dion isn't a, Distraction maybe he's
too busy At COLORADO i should BE i think you
can make the. Case though it doesn't take much to
make a. Tweet he's done it, Before, no and then
(36:04):
you can do it From. Afar you can do it
from anywhere in the. World you can make a. Comment
he's got a, podcast he's had A tv, Show he's
in every. COMMERCIAL i think he's got time if he
wants to talk about his.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Son and at the name of his, show we Got.
TIME i think it is you.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Got time, Today cuz, YEAH i think he's got. TIME
i just, Wonder AND i know the defense For dion
is all his teammates always loved.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Him BUT i gotta be.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
HONEST i remember one that, didn't at Least Jerry. Rice
they didn't get along In San. Francisco they had a
big blow up right before The Super bowl Because dion
was out partying And Jerry rise and the coaches just
let him go at. It Apparently George seffert left the
room right before they blew Out San diego The chargers
in That Super, bowl And Steve young got the monkey
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off his. BACK i don't.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
KNOW i.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Just when you're trying to look for answers for this
long of why it, happened maybe it was hiding in
play inside the entire. TIME a bunch of teams felt
like the talent wasn't high enough to be worth the,
distraction and that's all it. Was now if he goes
out and balls out and proves him wrong because of,
This i'm here for. IT i would love to see.
(37:25):
It first of, all if you do that for The
browns and you actually give them some stability at, quarterback
which they've never had since they came back in ninety
nine with what Drafting Tim. Couch and there's that guy
with the jersey of every Single browns quarterback that has
played for them since, then they have had. Consistency so
(37:45):
he's got a great opportunity AND i hope he takes a.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Man does he, Does but AGAIN i always go back
to where you go and organizations because they're not all created.
Equal and if you're going to slide in the, draft you,
know the one thing that you hope for if you you,
know are projected at first or second round and you
don't go in those first two, rounds the thing you
(38:10):
hope for next is that you go to a great
organization with that is run, right that you may have
an opportunity down the. Road and he got the worst
of all the. Worlds he slid and then he went
to The Browns. NOW i Like stefanski as a, COACH
i really. DO i think he's he's done as good
(38:32):
as anybody could do with the hand that he's been
dealt In. Cleveland but it's Still cleveland and they still
run things the wrong. Way and it's unfortunate BECAUSE i
do believe That shadore is going to be thrust into
action rather than later and when usually when that happens
(38:54):
at a bald. Organization and, look The browns gave up
the second most set in THE nfl last, Year schudur
was sacked the most in college football last.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Year it's a. Rest he's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Here it's gonna be a comfort level for, him but
it's it's a recipe for for something that is not,
good and then people are gonna look at it and,
see see see we told you he couldn't, Play we
told you he was a fifth, rounder and here it.
Is and that's my fear that's gonna happen to. Him
but hopefully he works it. OUT i think he's the
way he's handled everything afterwards has been spot on and
(39:31):
been mature and been great because he's not pointed, fingers
he's not blamed. Anybody he just said thank You browns
for the opportunity and he's moving. On but it's going
to be a circus In, cleveland so we will, see all.
Right andy McCullough joins us on the other, side talk about,
baseball The dodgers and their, big gigantic payroll and they're
playing The, marlins who's got a itsy bitsy. Payroll and
(39:54):
we'll get into that five SEVENTY La sports
Oh yes, we keep it all moving.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
On a Tuesday, Adam Austlin, Rodney Pete here on AM
five seventy many thanks to Jacob and Ronnie dan Woiki
is going to join us this hour to talk some
NBA and particularly the Lakers and where they stand right
now and they got a chance to come back, but
staying you know, kind of in first starting with the NBA,
(00:24):
but we can transition to other sports as well. Is
I want to get into the coaching part of it,
because one of the big things over the weekend, and Adam,
you brought this up yesterday for sure, is JJ Reddick's
decision to play the same five guys in the entire
second half, which is something that is extremely unusual, that
(00:46):
doesn't happen.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Guys will at least get a minute or two.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Break in a half or in a quarter, and the
same five guys for the Lakers played the entire second half,
and you could feel and you could see that they
were a little gassed in the last two to four
minutes of that game, and many reasons why he did that.
He's talked about it, but I don't necessarily think I
(01:12):
agree with it. I know you don't agree with it
with it, Adam.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
But in these.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Critical moments, especially in the playoffs and big games and big,
big situations, is this an experienced thing from coaches or
is it just coaches sometimes going with what their gut
tells them in the moment. Because I always want to,
(01:37):
you know, kinda be prepared for situations, and I think
a lot of coaches are these days because there's so
much analytics, and I always believe that you were always
and should be prepared for every scenario going through it,
whether it be the last two minutes of the game
or second half or whatever adjustments you have to make
and halftime. But it felt like it was something that
(01:59):
JJ just went with his gut in the second half.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
One of the lines from my favorite movie ever, Transformers
nineteen eighties eighty six, the cartoon movie of Transformers Okay,
where they swore in it an Optimus Prime died and
it scared the hell out of kids who were running
out of the theater screaming. He goes, it's like in the
first twenty minutes because obviously he sacrifices himself, but he goes,
(02:23):
Megatron must be stuffed, no matter the cost. JJ Reddick
was like, we must win this game no matter the cost.
They didn't win. And now it's almost like, did you
have too much of a sense of urgency? Is it
possible to have too much of a sense of urgency
in this case? Did he because of the ramifications as
you mentioned? How do you get those guys back that
(02:45):
didn't get it in the second half? How do you
go back to Jackson Hayes or Van doh or Gabe
Benson go, I know I thought you loses the game
in game four, but this time I need you to
help win the game in game five. How do you
have that conversation? How do you start that? I don't know,
and I just saw this. I guess you just spoke
(03:05):
at practice JJ, Reddick and Rodney. He doubled down when
asked When asked about if he thought he saw any
fatigue in reviewing the film with a fourth quarter from
the players that were out there for twenty four straight minutes,
he said, quote, no, and you know what, what do
we score nineteen twenty and thirteen in the fourth quarter
of losses in this series? Is it a trend? More
(03:27):
so than that our two best players missed layups at
the rim? So he's saying, oh, No, I had nothing
to do with fatigue. It's just we haven't played well
enough in fourth quarters, regardless of how many minutes they
played in the second half. I don't know about that one.
We all saw it. We all saw the reason you
missed those layups.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah, reason you don't have legs on your jump shot.
You know when you're shooting threes and missed threes wide
open looks, and you know, not getting back on defense,
not moving your feet. I mean, there's a lot of
things you can point to that that tell you that
it's there's some level of fatigue going on, and I
(04:06):
need a break. And a player, and let's face it,
a player is not going to say, hey, take me out.
Luca's not going to say take me out of the game.
You know, I need I need a break, especially in
crunch time. The game is on the line, you know,
the series potentially is on the line. I'm not gonna
put my hand up and say take me out. Lebron's
not going to do that. None of those guys are
(04:27):
going to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Pedro Martin on the mound, he's not coming off. You're
gonna have to do coming out.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
You're not coming out and and so you sometimes have
to you have to protect the guys from themselves as
a coach and as a manager or whoever's in charge,
because the players will go above and beyond to try
to win because that's who they are, that's what got
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them to where they are and in this stage of
their life is that they were complete competitors and so
they're not going to do that and they're not going
to volunteer to come out of the game. So you
have to do it themselves or you have to do
it for them. But we all saw it. You're right,
we all saw it was clear that they were gassed.
I mean, I know Anthony Edwards can get up under
a lot of folks skin and that's his game.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
He wants to do that. I mean he.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Kendrick Perkins said on the broadcast, He's like he climbs
up to Timmity looking for the smoke. He wants it
all and he.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Does first Santa, Yeah he.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Does, man, because he said after the game, I could
tell I looked at him.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
They were gassed. They were gassed in the last two
minutes of that game.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
And it's you don't have to be a rocket science
is to see it.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
But for him to double down. That's kind of weird
to me.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
He also said they asked him about the starting lineup,
what's it gonna be for Game five? Well, I ask
Stan Wike about this too, But are you just going
to start Dorian Finney Smith over Jackson Hayes since he
only played four minutes. Anyways, you might as well just
go with the guys that you believe in the start
off the ball game. He said, TBD to be determined,
So I think it's likely at this point. But I
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remember something else that came out yesterday from coach lou So.
This happened at practice and we got the audio and
while he was being criticized actually for not having the
right personnel on the floor to either get a rebound
or get a stop so it could go into overtime
before the miraculous air ball that was caught by Aeric Gordon,
(06:26):
Aaron Gordon of the Denver Nuggets putting it back in
after the jokch miss and Law Murray of the Athletic,
who full disclosure. I have him on all the time
on Clippers Talk and he's a friend. He covers the
Clippers for the Athletic. He and coach Lou kind of
got into it regarding the JJ Reddick decision of whether
or not that worked or not. So here was Coach
Lou yesterday.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I wish I could do that too, but I'm gonna
talk about it.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
You know, it's with the game called for it.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
You know you can't question. I mean, y'all always got
questions about what the coach doesn't wanna lose to day.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
They won been win, what THEYDA want?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
What was just saying I would have been the same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
This game came Fourthus you know what.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I'm saying, THEYDA won. Would you been talking about he
played a guy in the whole second half? Would have
been a story? Oh well if not, THEYDA won.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
If they would have won, then hostime.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Whatever it takes to win the playoffs. I don't care
if you play a guy one hundred minutes, Like, if
you got to play a hundred minutes to win the game,
you win the game.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
And so you know you can't.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Question, you know what the coach does or that's what
kids were the ghost like, yeah, okay, you'll have your opinion,
but at the end of the day, you're trying to
win a game. You don't know what goes into that. Like,
so when you watch the stories, if you write stories
about oh yeah, you could be wrong too, and your stories,
I don'tbody call y'all.
Speaker 5 (07:42):
So you know they don't.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
People don't read it really, But I'm just saying. All
I'm saying is like when it goes into winning the
game in the playoffs, you never know what you gotta
go through to get to that point. And so the
coach guy does what he what he has to do
to try.
Speaker 5 (07:55):
To win the game.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
And that's it.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Like, all right, there's a lot there, Roddie, what do
you want to start with?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Wow, you could tell it's a coaching fraternity, right, they
stick together.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
So that part I do I do actually actually like I.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
I do actually agree with him. Had that the Lakers
won the game, it would have been a strategic move
by JJ Reddick. It would have been it would the
spend would have been. This is why he should be
Coach of the Year. He felt something, he went with
(08:37):
his gut and it worked out for the Lakers in
a critical game that they had to have, and the
Lakers won the game. Because he's stuck with his starters,
or stuck with the same five guys in the second half.
I agree with Tyler on that on that aspect.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Of it, a young coaching innovator. Maybe he is the
next pat Riley. Like nobody thought of.
Speaker 1 (09:00):
This absolutely different. We would have.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Talked about it differently because it was that close. It
was that close, so they win that game, the entire
narrative shifts to he did what it took. He showed
a level of desperation to get the series side up
at two to two. Going back home, it's the best
of three, and they got home court advantage.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yeah, as much as we talked about that, you know,
this hadn't been done. Nobody's done this since I don't
know how long, and all the history and all that.
We would have said the same thing on the On
the flip side, this is something that nobody's done since
nineteen ninety eight or whenever it was that somebody played
the same five guys for entire half in the second half,
(09:44):
and he would have been looked at as, like you said,
an innovator, all the best coach since pat Riley got
the same kind of hair. I mean, it was just
it would have been a total different perspective and narrative
about the game. But the fact that they lost is different.
So I get I get ty Lou, and he tried
(10:06):
to put it put who was that? Who was that
was asking the question athletic? That's yeah, so he was
he he didn't believe that that the narrative would be different.
I don't know why he didn't believe that the narrat
would have been different, or or that if you know
and ty, which you can't do either. You can't flip
it around and say if you guys write a story
(10:28):
then and you get it wrong, nobody's gonna question you it.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
There is a comments section on the Athletic I have
seen all get question a few different.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, absolutely they have.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
He's covered him forever, so I think there's that context
is worth mentioning that they can have a back and
forth like that, and coach Lou felt comfortable enough, and yeah,
maybe it was contentious, a little bit of.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
Correct me if I'm wrong. Did he say I wish
I could have done that?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
He did talking about playing all the second half. Yeah,
that's exactly what. Yeah, so it's not something that other
coaches haven't thought about, at least right like, because JJ
Redick was in a position, maybe part of the reason
he did. It was because everybody would go to the
roster afterwards and say, well, who did he really have
(11:22):
to turn to in this game? Brandon Goodwin gave Vincent
van do Oh a bunch of guys that for the
most part, they're good on one end of the floor,
bad on the other. Jacob and Ronney, he brought up
a good point about how, you know, why hasn't Dalton
connect played or why didn't Vando play? But I would say,
(11:45):
I think this still goes back to roster construction. One
of those guys is really good on offense or can
help stretch the floor, but is really bad on defense.
One of those guys is really good on defense, but
he offers nothing on the offensive side. And so JJ
does have kind of a built in.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
Yeah he does.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
All right, we're gonna get more into this with Dan
wiki who's going to join us on the other side.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Appreciate it. Adam a lot more to.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Talk about with this coaching decisions and what they do
because it's critical crunch time for the Lakers and the Clippers.
Adam Austlin, Rodney Pete A and five seventy LA Sports.
All Right, welcome back, Welcome back. It is a beautiful Tuesday,
Adam Austlin and for Fred Rogan today and uh, we
got to bring on our man, Adam. I know we
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just talked a little NBA, but we got to bring
on our man to really bring it all down for us.
He's the man about town. He's a man everything NBA,
Lakers for the La Times, Dan Wiki.
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Dan, how are you, gentlemen? I'm good, I have We've
We're at the point of the season where I where
you like, legitimately do not know where you are going
to be on Thursday, whether you're going to be home
or where they're gonna be on a plane.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
What would you what would you prefer?
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I think.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Both have benefits. Let's just say that there are benefits
to both.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
I think I know what the Lakers will prefer.
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Yes, never has anybody wanted to go back to Minneapolis
as much as the Lakers Target Center.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
Oh that's like Disneyland for us.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Can't wait?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yeah, Dan, Hey, Dan, did you did you see uh
this coming? You know, the Timberwolves coming out like they
they have been, you know, guys kind of playing above
Julius Ramdo acting like he was a rookie again. Our
second year with the Lakers, you know read hitting threes
like he's you know, hitting layups. I mean sure, they
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came out feeling like the Lakers. Everybody believed the Lakers
are going to run through them, and Minnesota said waiting.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Not so fast.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
So I thought the Lakers were gonna win the series.
I thought they were going to win it in six
seven games because I thought the teams were pretty even,
and I thought, I think the thing that I didn't
expect to happen is sort of what happened in game four,
Game four, Game four, which would be the Lakers lose
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a close game because of some of their own miscues.
I thought that was surprising. I thought that was the
edge that the Lakers would have, would be poised, would
be would be control that you know, that they would
get the ball in bounce on a sideline and bounds play,
that they would execute defensively down the stretch, that they
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would make more of the big plays, do the smarter
thing more regularly. And Minnesota's sort of, you know, kind
of like wild card energy is that I think that's
probably how we describe how they play, like there there's
sort of a wild card energy to it. Yeah, and
that that would come back to bite them, and it didn't,
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And so I think that was surprising. I'm not surprised
that it's been close. I mean, I think and I
don't think anybody around the Lakers is particularly surprised about that.
I mean, there was a very healthy respect for the
Minnesota Timberwolves. You know, at least I can speak, you know,
when it comes to the locker room and the coaching
staff that they knew they were playing a very good
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basketball team.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Dan.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Did they lose the game because JJ played five guys
the entire second half? Or is this about well he
doesn't have enough playable guys. That's the real issue.
Speaker 5 (15:36):
Yes, is the answer. You know, I think.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Is more than JJ Redick.
Speaker 5 (15:43):
You No, I think it's just both. You know, I
don't think it asked me one or the other, Adam.
I mean I think that, you know, I do think
it hurt them that that they were tired down the stretch.
I think that's I think it. It's hard to know
how much that mattered. You know, you talk to the
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guys about it, and they all said they wanted to
be out there, they felt like they were okay, that
they could keep going cool. That's all true. And then
you know, you see Lucas just Missileaup, you see Lebron
missilay up, Austin Reeves miss a couple open threes. You know,
you're a little slow on rotations, a couple of times,
you make bad decisions. Those are all things that you
can tie to fatigue. But I also think that you know,
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JJ felt the pressure to play guys that he felt
could contribute on both sides of the basketball, and the
Lakers don't have that many of them, you know, and
like you don't need you don't need ten guys in
the playoffs, you need eate. I do think that not
finding three minutes for gave Vincent, not finding three minutes
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or so for Jared Vanderbilt, not finding three minutes for
Jordan Goodwin is a mistake, and I think it. I
think it violates some of the ethos the team is
created over the season about like how they want to
play and who they want to be, you know. And
to me, that's really a really interesting thing between now
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and tomorrow night is getting those guys back, yeah, and
you know, telling them again that we do believe in
you and we count and we we will count on you,
and having them believe it after you know, evidence to
the contrary.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
And what was also surprising the way, I guess, adding
to the surprise is that Luca is coming off the illness,
you know, and he's playing game four and played the
whole second half after being you know, visibly sick a
couple of days before or a day before. Were you
h did that surprise you even more? Because he definitely
looked like he was sluggish and dragging late in that
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fourth quarter.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I mean again, not surprised that he wanted to be
out there, and not surprised that he put himself in
a position be available. I think when you talk to
people at Lukadacic, people do talk about conditioning, They do
talk about things like that. Nobody ever talks about competitiveness.
That doesn't come up, you know, at least as a negative, right,
like this is a tough dude who wants to be
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on the court and will like figure out ways to
stay on the court. I think he always kind of
looks like sometimes like he's just cent of a sluggish
looking guy. Who is that the you know? And I
say that as someone who also looks very sluggish like
I think, uh, I think again, yeah, you're right. I
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mean he was he's still sick or he was still
sick on Sunday. You know, I talked to look after
his press conference and told him that, you know, I
mean I saw him Friday kind of leave the locker room.
We didn't talk to him Friday night after the game,
and I saw him kind of walk out, and I
mean he was pale as pale can be, you know,
had on a sweatsuit and a beanie and just was
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like it if you told me took him fifteen I say,
from the locker room of the bus. I had to
believe you, Like, that's how slow he was moving, Like,
you know, like this is we've all made that walk
from like the kitchen to the bed or the bathroom
to the bed when you're sick, right, And that's what
I look like. And you know, I asked the amount.
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I was like, oh, at least you look a lot better.
He's like, I don't feel that much better. Like I
still have got I still have it. And I think,
you know, he's not making excuses when he says that.
I just think that like he was going to pour
a lot into this game, because it's the playoffs that
is what you do, and they know what the challenges
are up against, right, and so I think again multiple
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things are true. I think that the Lakers should have
committed more to the players that they have. I think
that they should have rolled with in a perfect world,
believed in the roster that that has been constructed. But
I think, you know, respecting Minnesota, knowing how good Minnesota is.
You know, I wrote this myster like, you do feel
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a pressure to meet it with your absolute best. That's
what they tried to do. That was the bet.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
Desperate times, call for desperate measures. Is Jackson Hayes going
to be playing the rest of the series after just
four minutes? Do you expect Drian Phinney Smith to just
start now in Game five?
Speaker 5 (20:17):
I do expect them to stay small because I think
it's hard to go back. I just think it's hard
to go back when you make that change. You know,
if they can, if they can find active minutes for him,
I think it's helpful. One of Adam one of the
downsides to playing small all the time is that it
is also tiring.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, you know that.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
That has been a thing that's been sort of building
over the last couple of months around the Lakers. Is that,
like the style they've had to play has been a
tiring style and you wonder if, like if they've just
made like too many withdrawals from the bank account on that.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
I mean going back to the game in Denver in
February where they had that great win over Nicoleojo Kinch
and JJ Reddick stayed awake for forty eight hours or
seventy two hours to game plan for that. It's like great,
Is it sustainable? Can you really do this over and
over again in the playoffs?
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
And I think again, like yes, like you can win
small in the playoffs. I mean the Golden State Warriors
have won small playoffs. Teams do it. It is tiring,
and I mean, like any of this stuff, Adam, I
mean like you need luck right and.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
In depth to play that way.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
You need luck.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, you need luck, you need depth, You need a
lot of things to go right. I think that, you know,
this is a very difficult small ball matchup because Minnesota
is big and athletic, you know, like Jane McDaniels is
not like a small player. Like he's six' ten with
like like a crazy reach and he's really really bounty
like Nas reed is not a small ball, Player Truleius
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randall certainly is not a small when he the minutes
when he plays, center Right, like he's a, bulldozer and
that's a, challenge, Right AND i Think gobert has fared
pretty well in part due to against some, uncontrollables, Right,
LIKE i think watching The lakers all season, long and
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this is an, excuse it's just a reality of who
they are and the way they've been, built like they've
been pretty lousy after long. BREAKS i, think you, know
as you get, older starting and stopping become, issues And
Lebron james has struggled and starts and stops all. Season
like that's just the reality of. It and so the
way they played In game, ONE i was not surprised,
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by you, KNOW i, thought you, know AND i still,
think really it's weird to say this down three to,
one you, know but you you look at the ebbs
and flows of a. Series The lakers played two games
Of minnesota where they had chances to win in the
fourth quarter and. Didn't if they put, themselves if they
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give themselves a third opportunity In minnesota to win a
game in crunch, time LIKE i wouldn't be surprised if
they do, it you, know like they're a good veteran,
Team like that's kind of how a series, works you,
Know and if if you can get this back tale
for a game, seven who knows what will. Happen it's
just sort OF i, THINK i think it's certainly. Unlikely.
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Right minnesota to me has shown that they're gonna be
really really hard to beat three times in a. Row
but that's The. West you, know all of these teams
all like like really minus Minus Oklahoma city in the
ONE a. Matchup all these teams have been separated by a,
whisker a fingernail and the you, know the clippers on its,
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case you, know a defensive stop in The Rockets warriors,
case you, know a trip and a turnover and a you,
know a slow rotation or an end one and The
Lakers timberwolves case like this is. Tight this is it's
it's these teams are all basically the, same which is
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what the record, showed and you need a lot to
go right to get.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Through, yeah, no it's been a it's been an entertaining
even on the other, Side detroit and The New york.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Series has been really really good as.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Well so you, know down three to, one you still
try to be optimistic about, This like you, SAID i
If lakers can get this, one this next one and
at home and then go back To, minnesota they've been.
Close if they can squeak one out and get game
seven back at The, CRYPT i like their. Chances but
if they, don't because a lot of, people including me
and and you said it that you had picked The
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lakers to, win a lot of people pick them to
go to The Western conference. Finals if not the, finals
that doesn't. Happen they get bounced.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Early with.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
What happens to the narrative Of luke And lebron getting
this done because a lot of people thought that we're
gonna get it done this, year but some people were,
like well wait until next year where they have a
full year. Together does that do to that situation Or?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
YEAH i MEAN i think that's the. RESET i, mean
that's the reset of the, narrative right like AND i
Mean i'm not a huge narrative, guy BUT i mean
it's the rally of the, situation right is that they
went at this with the roster they have right, now
and it's on management's job to put a better one
together next year that better fits the personnel they, have
and you, know using the tools that they, have the
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limited tools they, have and that in terms of draft,
capital young, players et. Cetera you, know they'll have some expiring,
contracts they'll have some free agency spots that they can
get a little bit more creative. With they can pick
a cleaner. Direction that's all. True IF i was A lakers,
FRIEND i wouldn't want to hear it On, thursday you
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know WHAT i? Mean, LIKE i, mean like AND i
know in the locker, room like this was a team
that after they came, together like while understanding all of
those things and all of those, challenges AND i mean
they knew how since they were in the front, court
they knew how they needed more two way. Playmaking they,
like they know all of this stuff, Right like this
isn't you Know laker fan twenty nine thirty eight posted On,
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Twitter and like all of a, sudden they're, like oh my,
gosh he's. Right, LIKE i, mean they're aware of their.
LIMITATIONS i think they thought that they can mask them
a little. Better and so, YEAH i mean that's it's
time for hard reflection as to what you are and
what you. Aren't big. Picture it's hard to take any
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big picture look on Local lebron because you Know lebron's
played twenty two. Seasons you, know, well no one can
know for sure how many more there are after.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
That dan in looking at and it's Too i'm not
giving up on The lakers at this. Point i'm not
even A laker. Fan i've just seen this too many
times where they come back, home they Win game, five
and now it's like you just got to win game
six on the road and get it back to a
game seven at home and.
Speaker 5 (26:56):
Good it is very Much it is very much LIKE i,
mean of all the there's only two ways to be
down three, one this is the Preferred, yes, uh we
have two more at.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Home, yeah but kind of going big, picture even if
they get out of this. Series one of the reasons
That Nico harrison we think Traded luca is because he
thinks he has fatal flaws as a. Player have any
of those surfaced in your? Mind do you look At
luca at all different since they're down three?
Speaker 5 (27:23):
ONE i, MEAN i, think like yes and. NO i
think he needs to be more competitive. DEFENSIVELY i think
certainly that's a. THING i think judging The, Minnesota, LIKE i,
Mean game Three minnesota is a difficult judge because of
knowing how sick he. Was he had some really big
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shots in the, game made some really bad plays in that.
GAME i, think, though he needs to be more competitive
defensively and to function within their team defense, certainly and you,
know as far as fatal flaws, GO i just, think
like he's not a perfect basketball. Player he was in
THE Nba finals last, Year like we like just saw
this so and we just saw it Against Anthony edwards, too,
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Right like that happened also last year in The Western covers.
Finals SO i think that there are area is certainly
where he needs to be. BETTER i think there have
been factors that have contributed him to him not being
as good as he can be to cover up the, weaknesses,
right a bunch of. Them like you, know The lakers
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shot making has been pretty pretty bad at times in
the first two. Games it was much better In, minnesota
but you, know like that's the, thing certainly in the fourth,
quarter like big, Shots like he's got to make more,
Shots he's got to be in a better. Rhythm you,
know he has to have more of a game, flow
and they've got to get more. STOPS i, mean it's
not you, KNOW i think casting any real judgment as
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to say, like, Oh Nicole harrison was, Right Nicole harrison was.
Wrong that's not gonna Be, yeah it's not going to
be a right now this like like there's won't be
enough evidence of. It but, YEAH i, MEAN i think
anybody who's watched the just four nos like he doesn't
compete defensively the way you'd like him to all the.
Time then it's frustrating because then you're watching him Like
game two and he's like in it, defensively particularly on the,
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ball and you're, like, oh, okay like do that, Again,
yeah more of, that, please you can. Do that's the frustrating.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Part, dan there's any before we let you, go you,
know aside from what we just talked about with The,
lakers what surprised you at all in in the in
the playoffs so, far Because Golden state looks like they're
on the verge of winning. It AND i also want
to get your take on on The clippers series as.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Well, YEAH i, MEAN i, THINK i, mean, like, CERTAINLY i,
MEAN i Think denver's resolve has been a little surprising
to me because they have seemed at times like a
team that is like ready to. Break like we've seen
Like Nicola jokic be more animated on the court than
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we've ever really seen. Before, obviously we know they fired the,
coach they were a team in, turmoil they fired the general.
Manager you, know they've had to cut out some really
really tough wins against a very Good clippers basketball. TEAM
i think that's been a little surprising to me that
they've been able to like find resolves in type. Moments
you know that wasn't surprised That Oklahoma city, rolled wasn't
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surprised At cleveland. ROLLED i, think you, know The Detroit
nicks scrapping has been, good has been fun to. Watch
it's like the game's been really really. Physical it had
there there's been you, know lower variants when it comes
to like three point. Shooting there hasn't been like games. Work,
no well they made thirty. Three is like like the
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game style hasn't really allowed for that so far in the. Playoffs,
YEAH i, mean, OBVIOUSLY i, MEAN i think the biggest thing,
though right has been has been the Way denver for,
me has sort of backed down some some pretty tough
moments when it looks like their team that was about to,
fracture you, know which is and THAT'S i, mean that's why,
that's to, me is the most compelling series that's happened so, far,
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Right like that's like become the musty to me is
like you, know what's the crazy thing that's going to happen?
Next yeah all, RIGHT i mean like, sure, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
Clippers do get past, it, THOUGH i you, KNOW i
think they they become VERY i thought they were scary
With kawhi, anyway but they become even more.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
SCARY i think they get Past.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
YEAH i mean It's. Ronney it's, hard LIKE i, mean,
honestly like anybody who wins any of these series is
like it's scary for their own. Reasons.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Yeah, yeah it's gonna be great going going down to.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Stretch, dan appreciate you're always great with, us, Brother thanks
for joining.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Us that's also also also fairly scary sometimes.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
Too enjoy that trip back To Minnesota i'm calling it.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Now, yeah, yeah, boy all, right there it is all,
right Thanks dan taker.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Calling it, Huh adam calling that trip back To, minnesota.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
HUH i, Mean, jacob they're gonna get some home. Cooking
it's home court evators for a. Reason they are The.
Lakers i'm just, saying we've seen this story.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Before uh, huh uh. Huh come, on a lot of
things can happen at The.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Crip, yeah let me tell, You i've seen some things
in my.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
Day be back to wrap it. Up Rodney, Pete Adam, Oustlin,
yeah come, on oh, yes come On, Tuesday Adam, Oustlin Rodney. Pete, beautiful,
beautiful Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Tuesday they stay tuned because next, Hour andy, McCullough the
athletic joins. Us he had an interesting article he wrote
about money and baseball and the discrepancy and who the
haves and the have nots, Are and we'll get into
that discussion with. Him But, adam real, QUICK i just
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want to get back Into Shador sanders real, quick because
it's gonna kind link on through the OTAs In, june
the mini, camps the training, camp and then the start
of the. Season and it's interesting that he went to
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The browns because they have an interesting roster with a
forty year old quarterback And Joe, flacco who they Have
they traded For Kenny, pickett who was drafted By pittsburgh
played At philadelphia last year they traded for, him and
some say he doesn't have it. Anymore that's why he's
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been shipped to three places in three.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Years and then they.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Drafted Dylan gabriel in the third round Before. Chador so
the quarterback room In cleveland is going to be very,
interesting very. Interesting not, all not all of those guys
are going to be there at the start the. Season but,
man it just it's got a it's got the making
for some. Chaos and the only saving GRACE i would
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say is they do have forty year Old Joe, flacco
who actually won A Super bowl in that. Room that
it could be the daddy, figure the calming force in
that in that quarterback.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Room, man how do you think it's gonna? Go you
know as we go?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Forward now he has a, home uh in the back
lass that he's taken so far and the back is
the backlass?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Warranted did he bring it on?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
HIMSELF i, mean is there still time for Hard knocks
to sign a team for this? Season this would be so,
Good this is so. Juicy it's overflow of quarterbacks going.
On Was Grandpa joe and His Joe flacco is still.
Elite maybe that mentor that father figure will will help
them to some. DEGREE i just wonder like the MORE
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i think about it in the, slide the more people
do the autopsy on why this. Happened AND i Heard
joel cladd a little bit earlier, today and he was
the guy THAT i looked. To is kind of my football.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Compass, Yeah, No joe is very good at what he.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Does he's dialed into everything college and, pros just a
wealth of.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
KNOWLEDGE i love listening To Joe. Cloud he does a great.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Job and he called a lot of his games AND
i know you're calling the. Game you gotta hype guys.
Up you got to talk about. Him BUT i think
he was sincere with all the praise he was heaping
Upon Shudar. SANDERS i do think he was as shocked as.
Anybody BUT i think it comes down to is the
juice worth the, squeeze, Right, like if he's not going
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to be an elite, talent are you going to be
okay with putting up with some of the distraction? Stuff
AND i, know Maybe dion isn't a, Distraction maybe he's
too busy At COLORADO i should BE i think you
can make the. Case though it doesn't take much to
make a. Tweet he's done it, Before, no and then
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you can do it From. Afar you can do it
from anywhere in the. World you can make a. Comment
he's got a, podcast he's had A tv, Show he's
in every. COMMERCIAL i think he's got time if he
wants to talk about his.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
Son and at the name of his, show we Got.
TIME i think it is you.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
Got time, Today cuz, YEAH i think he's got. TIME
i just, Wonder AND i know the defense For dion
is all his teammates always loved.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Him BUT i gotta be.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
HONEST i remember one that, didn't at Least Jerry. Rice
they didn't get along In San. Francisco they had a
big blow up right before The Super bowl Because dion
was out partying And Jerry rise and the coaches just
let him go at. It Apparently George seffert left the
room right before they blew Out San diego The chargers
in That Super, bowl And Steve young got the monkey
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off his. BACK i don't.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
KNOW i.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Just when you're trying to look for answers for this
long of why it, happened maybe it was hiding in
play inside the entire. TIME a bunch of teams felt
like the talent wasn't high enough to be worth the,
distraction and that's all it. Was now if he goes
out and balls out and proves him wrong because of,
This i'm here for. IT i would love to see.
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It first of, all if you do that for The
browns and you actually give them some stability at, quarterback
which they've never had since they came back in ninety
nine with what Drafting Tim. Couch and there's that guy
with the jersey of every Single browns quarterback that has
played for them since, then they have had. Consistency so
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he's got a great opportunity AND i hope he takes a.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Man does he, Does but AGAIN i always go back
to where you go and organizations because they're not all created.
Equal and if you're going to slide in the, draft you,
know the one thing that you hope for if you you,
know are projected at first or second round and you
don't go in those first two, rounds the thing you
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hope for next is that you go to a great
organization with that is run, right that you may have
an opportunity down the. Road and he got the worst
of all the. Worlds he slid and then he went
to The Browns. NOW i Like stefanski as a, COACH
i really. DO i think he's he's done as good
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as anybody could do with the hand that he's been
dealt In. Cleveland but it's Still cleveland and they still
run things the wrong. Way and it's unfortunate BECAUSE i
do believe That shadore is going to be thrust into
action rather than later and when usually when that happens
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at a bald. Organization and, look The browns gave up
the second most set in THE nfl last, Year schudur
was sacked the most in college football last.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Year it's a. Rest he's gonna be.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Here it's gonna be a comfort level for, him but
it's it's a recipe for for something that is not,
good and then people are gonna look at it and,
see see see we told you he couldn't, Play we
told you he was a fifth, rounder and here it.
Is and that's my fear that's gonna happen to. Him
but hopefully he works it. OUT i think he's the
way he's handled everything afterwards has been spot on and
(39:31):
been mature and been great because he's not pointed, fingers
he's not blamed. Anybody he just said thank You browns
for the opportunity and he's moving. On but it's going
to be a circus In, cleveland so we will, see all.
Right andy McCullough joins us on the other, side talk about,
baseball The dodgers and their, big gigantic payroll and they're
playing The, marlins who's got a itsy bitsy. Payroll and
(39:54):
we'll get into that five SEVENTY La sports
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