May 12, 2025 • 37 mins
Jovan Buha hops on to talk about whether the Lakers need to (or should) trade Austin Reaves to upgrade the roster. We take your calls on if the Lakers should keep or trade Reaves. NBC is going to use an A.I. generated voice of the deceased Jim Fagan, for their NBA coverage next season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
a five to seventy LA Sports later this hour. Laker fans,
what do you think, do you trade Austin Reeves if
you can get that big man you desperately need, or
do you approach it from a different perspective. Let's bring
on a man who covers the Lakers, has his own podcast.
It's our good friend, Yovann Bouja of the Athletic Yovan.
(00:22):
Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
All right, so.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here's the deal. Bill Plashki says he's got the plan. Now,
you're with these guys more than Plashky. I mean, you're
covering them every day. You want that big man, trade
Austin Reeves, bring the big guy in and let's go
for it. I say that to you, And what do
you say to me?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I say, which big men are the Lakers getting?
Because I've seen a lot of the fake trades from fans.
I do a Q and a portion on my show,
and I do mail bags and I get all the
fake trades, and I think most of them are unrealistic
in either direction. It's like, go get a Yannis or
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a Bam out of Bio for Austin, or you know,
get this backup center that we like with you know,
Team X, and and go trade Austin for that guy.
And I think for the Lakers, certainly you have to
explore all options this summer. I think outside of Luca,
anything should be on the table in terms of potential
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roster moves or potential roster upgrades. But with Austin, you
got to look at that contract and at fourteen million dollars, uh,
just the production that you're getting from him, one of
only eleven guys in the league to average twenty five
and five this past season. The rest of the list
is all all Star, all NBA Max contract HEP guys.
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So I think to be getting that level of production
on you know, that small of a contract, my bar
for trading Austin is high. It's not just okay, they're
better fitting starting center that would work well next to Luca.
It's like, no, I need a top forty player back. Now,
that doesn't mean you're gonna get you, honest, but like,
I think there's a sweet spot there of a certain
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type of guy I would trade for Austin, But I
just don't see that really being realistic. So if I'm
the Lakers, I would keep Austin. I would play out
this next year, see what it looks like, and then
potentially explore my options when his contract is up and
you got some decisions to make there. But I think
most of the people that are trying to trade Austin
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are selling low on him.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah, So okay, So if Jannis does say, which he mentioned,
he'd be open to it, right, And it's kind of
ironic that he said that the day of the lottery.
I think that wasn't a coincidence. Says he would be
very open to come to the Lakers. Wants to come
to the Lakers. At that point, do you try to
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make something happen? And if you do, obviously Milwaukee asked
for the world, and how do you really how do
you build around Giannis, Lebron and Luca if that were
to happen, because they would they would ask for the
world from the Lakers, wouldn't they.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, And that's where it just it gets a little
tricky because the Lakers only have one tradeable first round
pick this summer. They could trade either their twenty thirty
one or twenty thirty two first round pick, so that
will have some value, and you could put Austin on
the table. You got to match salary, so you probably
got to put Rui maybe Gabe Vincent. I doubt they
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would want Jared Vanderbilt because he has three more years left.
So you're probably putting a bunch of expiring money on
the table with Austin and one pick, and you have
up to five pick swaps. But the thing with pick
swaps are they only have value if the team receiving
the pickswap thinks they are going to be better than
you and they're getting a value by swapping picks with you.
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But if the Bucks are tearing it down getting the Lakers,
pick swaps are basically meaningless for them because they're not
going to switch picks with the Lakers, who are probably
going to be drafting at the end of the first
round every year, So those are essentially meaningless. So I
just look at it like, can a team out there
top Austin Reeves and one first round pick and a
bunch of expiring money. Yes, I think many teams can.
(04:15):
I think Houston can, San Antonio, can Oklahoma City if
they somehow lose to Denver or don't win the championship
this year. I think they have to look at a
core and what they want to do with that. The
Knicks can put Karl Anthony Towons on the table. The
Nets have a bunch of young players and picks and
assets and like so I just think unless Jannis specifically
(04:35):
says I want to go to the Lakers and only
the Lakers, I just don't see how the Lakers are
are really in the mix because even the big city
teams that they are in competition with, if he only
wants to play in the big city, have better things
to offer than the Lakers, you know, whether it's young
guys or stars or I must be willing to even then,
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like Lebron is a no trade clause, so he, you know,
could can veto that. But does Lebron want to go
to Milwaukee? Would Milwaukee even want Lebron? So a lot
of follow up questions there in terms of how it
would fit. I mean, Johannis and Luca pick and roll
would be unstoppable, and jannest is more than just a
rim running, vertical lob threat, but he can do that
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if you put him in that role. So I think
it especially Jiannis and Luca long term, that would be
one of the best young duos. You know, sub thirty
duos we've seen an NBA history. Jannest multi time MVP
and champion. Luca I think is on his way to
do that. So I think from a basketball fit perspective,
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you figure it out. And Lebron only has one the
two years left, so it's it's more about the long
term fit of Luca and Jannis and how you build
her on that. So if you can do that after
your Lakers, I say you move heaven and Earth to
do it. I just I'm skeptical based on what you know.
Houston could put Alphera and Shangoun and multiple picks, and
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so you're putting an All Star and multiple picks. I
just think there are other teams that can outdid them.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah all right, okay, so I'm sorry. So given that,
what is the real need? I mean, everybody that says
the obvious, like, oh, they lost Anthony Davis, so they
lost their rint protection. They need a big guy, and
they need a big that's it. They get a big,
they're good, or they overreact to Austin Reeves. Is it
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just a big, a good big that the Lakers could
use assuming that Lebron and Luca. Obviously Lebron come back
and lucas there, assuming that that are they only missing a.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Big no, no, no, I think I look at three needs. Certainly,
starting center is the biggest need because Jackson Hayes like that.
You know, it looked good for about six weeks there
in the regular season, and he started to tail off
late in the regular season, eventually got benched obviously in
the first round, and even within that was more of
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like their ninth man despite being the starter in terms
of like minutes, what was like that eighth ninth guy.
So they were basically playing centerless for most of that
first round series, and they're playing centerless against one of
the biggest teams in the NBA, and we saw that
size and physicality discrepancy catch up to them. So I
think first and foremost, like at the top of the
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list is going to be Lebron and what he does
with his player option, Luca and his extension. But assuming
Lebron either opts in or resigns and Luca eventually signs
an extension, I think it will potentially depend on how
that next month of free agency goes. Assuming those two
things play out the way that we think they will
probably play out, then it becomes you need a starting
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caliber center, and it probably wants out to trade for
one because they only at most they have the non
tax payer level exception, which is about fourteen million dollars,
and then there are some cap restrictions with that you
get hard capped at the first apron, so they might
actually have to shed some money to use that. So
I don't want to nerd out on you guys with
it with the cap stuff. But like it says not
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the is just like sign someone to fourteen million that
would have to do some gymnastics for that. But if
you look at the agency class, this is not a
good free agency class. So I think they're probably going
out to have to make a trade for a center,
and that's probably going to require putting a roote touch
and more potentially on the table or Gabe Vincent plus
like a first on the table. So like that, they're
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going to have to move some rotation players to get
that center, but I think you have to be willing
to do that based on your needs. Then I think
the second thing is you just need more two way talent.
In general, I think they had too many guys that
were one dimensional one side of the ball. You look
at a guy like Jared Vanderbilt, offensive liability, really good defender,
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but JJ Reddick never fully trusted him because of the
way that he struggled to finish, the way that he
struggled to shoot. And then the third thing I think
overall is just they need more depth, like you saw
it in Game four. Of course JJ only played five guys,
but like even within this series, he only trusted eight
to nine guys ups and I think they like if
you look at the back end of the roster, compare
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that to the back end of Okac's roster, of Boston's roster,
of Cleveland's roster, Like, those teams just have way better
minimum guys and young players towards the back end of
the roster. So I think markis Morris, Alex Flynn they
can improve on those types of guys and have better
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more players. So I think those would be my three things.
New center, more two way talent, particularly on the perimeter,
and then some better minimum kind of upsid guys towards
the back end of the roster.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yo, man, how many minimum kind of guys are they
going to need if they get the fourteen million dollars
Center plus Lebron plus Luca.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, so right now, if they have to pick between
either the fourteen million dollar guy or they could do
a five point seven million dollar guy. The difference there
is you're you're not as hard capped, So the fourteen
million dollar guy you're hard capped at the first a
brind five point seven million dollar guys you're hardcapped at
the second Apron, So you have a little bit more
financial flexibility there. Then you also have upwards of seventy
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million dollars in expiring contracts, one first round pick, and
up to five pick swaps. So that's where I think
they probably need to do two medium size moves, where
one is sign a player of impact in free agency,
whether it's using that five point seven or the fourteen million,
and then to make some trade. Be it again, either
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you're putting Rui on the table and going for a
guy in the twenty million dollar range, or you're doing
something smaller with Gabe or Maxi Kleba, but being willing
to use that first round pick and see what you
could get for it, and if you could add a
couple of guys and make a couple of upgrades, run
it back. I think they are closer than the first
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round indicated to me. It was just they had such
a glaring hole in the middle that it makes it
hard to even IgE where they're at because they just
didn't have a center and they didn't have a set
again against this team that starts, you know, multiple guys
six nine and above, and it was just a mismatch.
So I think if they can find the right type
of guy in the middle and add another high impact
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wing type guy, I think they're right there.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
All right, Jovann, appreciate it, Yovon Buja Athletic Bouja's Block Podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Thanks for coming on, man, appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Fuks sir, There goes Jovann Boha.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Okay, so here's the deal. We've talked about the Lakers
and a need for a center. Everybody knows Zad. We
knew that before the playoffs even began. All right, Bill
Plaiski said, just go for it. I mean, go for
the big fish. Move Austin Reeves, get the best player possible.
You're gonna have to replace Austin Reeves, but he would
be replaced by the big You heard Jovan, I don't
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know if I would do that. Yeah, you look at
that salary and he put it in his article, Austin
Reeves making four fourteen million a year and for the
for what's your gidding from him? At twenty five and five?
You're gonna that's like max player.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That's somebody making forty fifty sixty million dollars and you're
getting them at a bargain right now. So are you
willing to give that up to replace it?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
ATIX six nine eighty seven two five seventy give me
a chance to be the GM Milaker fans. You can
make the call here. One approach is we just got
to go for it, and if we have to go
for it and give up Austin Reeves, we're doing it.
The other approach is slow your role, Let's see if
we can get a few incremental guys, including one big
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one and go further because we didn't have a center.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So whati approach do you take.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
All the chips are in the middle, Austin Reeves is gone,
or hold out of Austin Reeves and let's see what
we can cobble together a TIX six nine eighty seven
two five.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Seventy right home, right right on, right on Rodney, Pete,
fred Rogan on a Monday, Yes, Monday, come on, Freddy.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
All right, So the question is bill Plashki suggested. Then
we had yovonn Boja on to talk about it. How
do you improve the Lakers? What do you do? Plashki said,
you gotta trade Austin Reeves. He said, I don't want
to say this, I don't even want to write it,
but you gotta trade him. You gotta trade him to
get the guy you need. Yovann Bouja said, what everybody,
(13:25):
you know, kind of take it easy here. I'm not
saying you have to trade Austin Reeves. You do have
to get a big guy, but you may not have
to trade Austin Reeves.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So, Laker fans, if you.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Could get the big score, and let's say the big
score would be what Giannis Rodney?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, it would be honest, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
If you can get the big score and it's Yannis,
would you trade Austin Reeves eight sixty six, nine eighty
seven two five seventy MEMI is in menaphee Nemiah, thanks
for holding man.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
How's it going, guys?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Good?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I would not trade Austin Reeves. I'm more for looking
for a lower level exception on a center, maybe taking
a flyer on like DeAndre eight In or someone that
is losing value, but we can possibly get on a
lower ended bargain.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Okay, Okay, I mean I kind of like that. I
kind of like that because we mentioned that Austin Reeves
and his salary is such a bargain right now that
you want to try to hold them at all costs.
But yeah, getting somebody, but Fred, you don't like DeAndrea,
you didn't like him coming out of college, you didn't
like him at Phoenix, But someone liked that that you
(14:36):
could get in that fourteen million dollar range. Would that
be enough? Or do you have to go out and
get a superstar to play that center position?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
All right, let's talk about DeAndre eight In for a minute.
Eight six six nine eighty seven two five seventy. As
you know, I did see.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Him playing in college.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, I didn't like him in college, and I've not
liked him in the pros. He's got an attitude, it's
pretty simple.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, all right? Is that going to challenge it? Though?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Talented though, That's that's the scary thing about it. He's
got so much talent, that big and run the floor
like he had, and when he when he wanted to
play for Phoenix, when they had their little bit of
a run, when he wanted to play, he could be
a very good player. But that was the question. Did
he always want to play Fred?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Well, I'm saying, do you roll the dice on that guy?
I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, it's like he's so good and we can fix him.
We're the guys. We have the secret ingredient here. Pierre
looked at not quite.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
The Dodgers yet, right, not quite the Dodgers where they
can just bring in anybody and fix them.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, because you can't fix someone's head. That's what you
can't fix. Pierre looked Duboiff when the Kings Detroit acquired him, Okay,
in every stop, he was going to be a superstar
every stop, Winnipeg, Columbus, every stop. This guy was the guy,
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and the Kings traded for him and it was the
exact same guy he was in the other two stops.
Thank god they got rid of him, and Darcy Camper
turned out to be great. They couldn't fix that. There's
no correcting that his mind isn't going to change, his
effort or his attitude is not going to get better.
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You can't fix that. That's why I wouldn't want DeAndre
Ayton here.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You know what you get? Yeah, you know what you get?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Okay, a joy in Alpine Joy, thanks for holding appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
I don't think that we trade Austin Reeves, at least
not yet. I think Bulon made a great point, And
after reading Plashki's article, it's just doesn't make sense for us,
right pun intended. But at this time, they need a
full they need a full training camp. Let's see how
they stay connected. We definitely need that big body. But
I think that we can try to figure something out
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and and try to make a trade in the mid
season if we have to. But I don't think you
give up that that type of salary gives us some flexibility,
and it gives us an ability to still again have
a playmaker that's on the floor when when Lebron or
Luca need that breast. But I could see why, you know,
other Lakers fans need feel the need to make something
blow up. We're used to greatness and then it's been
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a while, but I definitely think that Austin Reeves should,
we should she should stick around for at least his
next training camp to see what happens.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Appreciate it. Thanks for that.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Here's the thing, too, Fred, are you absolutely and now
are they absolutely done and gave up on Jackson Hagges?
I mean, can he get in the whole off season,
full off season, put some weight on, get with JJ
and the staff and figure out a way he can
be a better performer, since he's still a young kid
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with size. Right, there was a moment. Now, it was
a stretch, as Jovant said, there was a stretch. He
played really well and got over matched in the playoffs.
But is there Are you ready to give up on him?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
No, no, not at all. You don't. You don't give
up on him because.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
He's got something you can't teach height, So you don't
give up on him. And he you need two guys, yeah,
you need two of them, and he might be hearty.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
As they used to say, when I played a little
lighting ass d to hang in there with the big
fellas a little light and ass. So he got to
put on some bulk and and maybe an off season
you know with the new staff can help him.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, I look, I think you want him, but he's
not your starter. No, okay, find a starter. Then you
have him, you get rid of him, then you only
have one again and you have to go find another.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Uh okay, let's go to Austin, Texas. Jack has been holding. Hey, Jack,
appreciate you joining the show.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
How you doing.
Speaker 8 (18:56):
Doing well? I would say, you know, listen, I'm not
NBA talent evaluator, but one thing that stands out to
me is that Austin Reeds has gotten better every year
he's been in the league. And I just the guy
seems like a dog. And I don't know how you
put an exact dollar amount on that, but I think
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we haven't even seen how good he's gonna get. So
I would not trade Austin Reeves.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I don't think you're getting any argument from us. Thanks, Jack,
appreciate a good point. Good point. He does have that dog,
which we found. He made leaps and bounds this year,
and I don't know, you know a lot of it.
I think probably JJ believing in him, playing him a
lot more, putting him in situations. But he made leaps
and bounds and are we going to overreact to a
bad one, bad series that he had and say, Okay,
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we got to get rid of him because I think
he can be a big time star in this league.
And I hate overreacting to a four or five game
or bad series that one player has when he's performed
for you pretty much all year. Let's go to riverside.
Heimo is on the line, Heimo, appreciate you holding what's happening?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Hey, what's happening? Fred?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Love you appreciate that? Hey, I don't love me. You
don't love me? You don't love me?
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Man? Yeah? You Hey, guys, I think the trade is
a great idea. I think the package deal to get
Jonnie and uh the parts that are needed to bring
the Lakers back to the championship form is a great idea.
I say, we uh packaged Lebron and Bronny and did
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them out of town.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Okay, everybody, hold on, wait, hold on, we're not stray.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
We're getting rid of lebron and and Bronnie, right, so
bring it in? Is getting rid of Lebron and Bronny.
That's what Yeah, that's what Hemo is saying that. Okay,
I don't think they make that move. I don't think
they'd make that trade out. I was Milwaukee out. But
the whole thing was we're keeping Lebron, Luca and Giannis
or not anymore Lebron Luca in another big No, it's
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the whole deal. We're not doing that anymore. Austin Reeves
And yeah, we're not doing that anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
No, No, we have a new trade. We're gonna trade
Lebron and Bronni.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
For Lebron's not gonna get fifty five million dollars from
another club. I mean not at this stage in his career.
The only place he's getting that is with the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He's not anywhere. Yeah, he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So I think from the majority of people we just
briefly talked to, and I think if you really talk
to people that follow the Lakers, they would not want
to trade Austin Reeves. So now it's up to rock
Pool and gonna find somebody find that big. Sure we
give him credit for getting Luca Nico Harrison called. The
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credit was he answered the phone, So he gets credit
for that. He was available to answer the phone. But
now figure out where that next person is coming from.
Where is the rim protection they need. I don't know
what if you had two guys Jackson Hayes gets a
little better and the new big is just a little
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better than that. So not dominant, right, not a monster,
but certainly competitive, sort of like when Dwight Howard was here.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You don't like MAXI Kleeber. I don't mind him, But
I'm just saying, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Does that person have to be dominant or just really solid,
because that's what you have to decide if you're going.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
To start all moves solid, because if you get look,
if you get these the as we called them at
the end of the year, right, everybody did. Now everybody
jumped off the bandwagon. They called him the Big three.
Now everybody wants to turn and get rid of Austin Reeves.
But for the better part of the season they were
calling them the new Big three in l A, right,
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and all they needed was some rent protection. So I
think if you get somebody quality wise, and yeah, you
keep you keep Jackson Hayes as another big, but you
get somebody that's got experience that could be solid in.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
The middle, I think you really you really have.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Something because I think an off season between Austin Reeves,
Lebron and Luca. They will figure it out, and if
they have help with the big in the middle, it'll
it'll be a better result of them just working together
for a period of time rather than coming in mid
season and trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
So I was really sorry to hear that that your
friend died. What do you mean he's what do you
mean he's dead and he's still talking. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Come on, Oh yeah, come on, let a flow on
a Monday, Rodney Pete, fred Rogan, come on. We're all
about positivity, Freddie, You're all about positivity, man, come on.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I know we are, I know we are.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Can you tell the difference between something and a trio
and something that's AI generated Rodney.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Less and less fred as they perfected less and less.
I used to be able to really tell the difference,
but now you know some of these things, it's it's
absolutely it's absolutely crazy and phenomenal and impressive at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yea, and disturbing at the same time. What can be disturbing? Yes?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Have you seen some of these press conferences that they
do AI generated voices with some of the folks. It's
it's unbelievable. How they matched the mouth and the voice
and everything. It looks like it's a real press conference. Yeah,
I've been I've been fooled before you.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
So I'm more on some stuff, some video stuff, and
I thought, all right, let's try this with AI. And
as I said, because I don't really know the terminology
or anything, I told the person that I'm asking to
do this, Uh, make a little AI person, make them talk.
(25:20):
That's what I said, make a little AI person, make
them talk. As a matter of fact, can we have
them speak in Spanish because of this thing I'm doing?
And the guy said, sure, we can't. He says, first,
I'll show you the English version.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Now, I told him what I wanted it to be
and what the topic was, and I said, I need
it in a minute, minute and a half.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Make it.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
God calls me in. I looked at it and I went,
oh my god. So the delivery was a little off.
Just know that the delivery of the person was a
little off. But I looked at that person, I went,
is that really generated by AI? And he goes, yeah, absolutely.
As a matter of fact, look at this. He pulls
up and he has like forty AI generated people and
(26:10):
they all look real, I mean real real, And he goes, oh,
I can use any one of these people to talk
you pick, and it look like a real person, a
real person.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
It didn't look like it was animated or anything. It
looked like a real person.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Was doing it. Yeah, And I said, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And the reason, by the way, scared companies do this
is because to be one hundred percent honest, it's more
cost effective.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
We can we can take a little animated person and
type in what we wanted to say, and the person
will say it. So what does that mean? You don't
need anybody to say it anymore and say it not
like it what you think of it before. Robotically it'll
say it with inflection, with emotion that a normal human
(27:09):
would say. Which is scary scary for.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
You know, for actors and stuff now because you think
about what it where it went to. Where you know
you used to have to go on location to shoot
you know, a scene in the mountains or a scene
in the or at the lake or a scene in
the you know in Switzerland. You don't have to do that.
You didn't have to do that, you know, they figured
that out years ago it was what CGI right, all
(27:38):
of that kind of stuff going on. But now with
this they can duplicate people and people look real.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
It is.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Scary, scary, scary what.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
They can do, Like as mentioned the press conferences that
they do and generate for like guys like Bill Belichick
or whoever else, and they just go crazy talking about
how you know, they just go crazy with oh Tani.
I saw one with him talking about him hitting a
home run and how he pimped it, and you know,
and MF and this and MF and that, and you know,
(28:15):
hell with that team.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I hate that team. I always hated it.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
And they just go crazy with it's it's great and
it's fantastic and it's phenomenal and dangerous at the same time.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, So NBC has got the NBA package back and
I think we lost we I think NBC lost it
back in two thousand and two. Now NBC did the
NBA unlike any sport had been done before.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Seriously.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
With NBC the NBA, he became what it is today
because they worked with the league and they developed a
concept and they would market around the stars. And one
thing about NBC once they start something, that's what they
are and there they hold true to tradition. So they
lost the contract back then because the asking price to
keep it was too much and they felt they couldn't
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make any money and they weren't about to lose money.
I remember back then, the president of NBC Sports told me,
Kenny Schanzer, you know a national rating, A national rating
was like a two point five percent a national rating.
Then I said, okay, So he said that means ninety
(29:23):
eight point five percent of the people aren't watching. Therefore
we're not going to pay what they're asking. Well, time
change in our live sports means everything. So NBC is
back in the game and it'll start in the fall,
will be on the network and on Peacock. But they're
very much into tradition and when they had it the
first go round, their announcer, Jim Fagan was the voice
(29:46):
of the NBA on NBC. So let's go back to
nineteen ninety eight, him doing a promo for the NBA Finals.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
He is the NBA on NBC.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Final.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
Good, it's six, let's your congo, It's.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Christmas Jet.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Remember that round ball rock John tesh mm hmmm. They're
bringing it back.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
They will.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
That will be their their music when they get the
NBA back in the fall.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
No, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, I remember. Give that some
some more time, just one more time.
Speaker 9 (30:25):
It's the NBA NVC, the nineteen NBA Final, It's Game six,
let's your cogoo, It's Christmas.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
J I don't care what anybody says. I'd love that music. Yeah,
I love that music.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
People people like Look, remember because John Tesh used to
host What You Entertainment Tonight?
Speaker 3 (30:51):
That was it?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, right, so they thought that that's all he was,
was a host of that show, when in essence, his
passion and then everything he did was he was a composer, Yes,
and he was. He was a brilliant composer. So he
did a lot of those and did that and many
other things. But yeah, no, that that opening, that promo
(31:15):
was fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Nineteen ninety eight. That was Jim Fagan, the voice of
the NBA on NBC. NBC has the NBA back starts
in the fall, but Jim Fagan has passed. I want
you to listen to the promo for the upcoming NBA
on NBC.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
The NBA on NBC is bad.
Speaker 9 (31:39):
I'll see you this October for the NBA season tip off.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Jim Fagan is dead. That was his AI voice. Think
about that.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
He passed away in twenty seventeen. Yeah, think about that,
like eight years ago, he passed away. I love the nostalgia.
I love the field. I do.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I mean because back in the day, that's when we
had the NBA on Channel four and the Lakers were
in their heyday and we had all the postgame shows.
It was the most fun I had working in LATV.
Well passed away in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
And everybody remembers, Yeah back then, because it was Costas
was calling the finals. Costas or Marv or Marv were
calling the finals. Costas called Michael Jordan's shot in Utah.
If this is the last version we've seen of Michael
Jordan with a poetic whatever he said, it was amazing.
(32:38):
It was iconic call for that shot that won the game,
that won the sixth championship for the Bulls in Michael Jordan.
And we all know he retired for a minute and
came back. But yeah, NBC was it for NBA. It
really was.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
You have to remember before NBC got the games, back then,
CBS had them Yeah, they would tape the way the
finals and run them at eleven thirty at night.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Remember that jingle they used to have, It's the best
in basketball on CBEs.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
You're on the floor, ready to score, So let the
game on the floor. Yes, yes, let's see how and
you're ready to score at the game. Yes, and it
would come on after the local news.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Right, Brett Musburger and Sunny Hill would call the actions.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yes, Oh my god, yes, yes, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Can you imagine that they would tape to lay the
playoffs and it would air after the local news.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Kevin, all right, this is a very late ask and
probably difficult, but can you see up on YouTube they
have the old NBA on CBS jingle.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Oh that was the greatest, That was the greatest. One
on the floor and you're ready, ready to score.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So let the games begin, and let's see how the
ball is going to bounce today it's the nv A
come on, enjoying the roaring crowd.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
So, so the deal is it was that, Oh, we
have the old CBS jingle.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
I remember. Oh, let's let's go.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Remember moms, let me stay up late to watch whoever won?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
You got to take your very best shot and the
best team win. Ye, shut.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
And let's see.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Get back all right.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That that was the national branding of the NBA on CBS.
That's when the NBA was as big as it was
going to be during its time. That was the feel
of it, that was the tone of it. Now, Kevin,
go back one more time to the nineteen ninety eight
NBC version.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
Is the NBA on NBC, the nineteen NBA Final Good,
it's eight six, the Chicago Christmas the Utah.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
J What a difference.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
That was kind of just a look at how people
perceived the NBA when it was on CBS, before all
the games were live.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Then NBC took it over and then it felt like
that NBC made.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
It this enormous event. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And then God, as to where we're at today, where
I think it's fair to say the people that do
the best job of the NBA is Turner.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yeah, without a doubt, without a doubt, their pregame, postgame,
their show is the best, the best, it really is.
It's what when Fox took over NFL and Fox got
involved in the NFL and they got you know, Howie
Terry and now straighthand but it started with with JB
(36:50):
Jim Brown.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Now Kurt Menafie takes it over. Now he's doing it.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
But but Fox is the standard in terms of the pregame,
postgame af time. But yeah, NBC, NBC had it, had
it going.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It'll be that same feel when they come back in fall.
I think it's the same John Tesh music they'll use.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It is yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yes, it is yeah, Yeah, and it will be the
same voice AI generated Jim Fagan. Earlier in the show,
we told you that Kyle Tuck or somebody we've talked
about for a while, he'll be a free agent, and
who might be interested. Well, Bob Nightingale wrote that the
Dodgers might be interested, and Bobble joined us next
All right, we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete on
a five to seventy LA Sports later this hour. Laker fans,
what do you think, do you trade Austin Reeves if
you can get that big man you desperately need, or
do you approach it from a different perspective. Let's bring
on a man who covers the Lakers, has his own podcast.
It's our good friend, Yovann Bouja of the Athletic Yovan.
(00:22):
Thanks for coming on.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Thank you guys for having me.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
All right, so.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here's the deal. Bill Plashki says he's got the plan. Now,
you're with these guys more than Plashky. I mean, you're
covering them every day. You want that big man, trade
Austin Reeves, bring the big guy in and let's go
for it. I say that to you, And what do
you say to me?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I say, which big men are the Lakers getting?
Because I've seen a lot of the fake trades from fans.
I do a Q and a portion on my show,
and I do mail bags and I get all the
fake trades, and I think most of them are unrealistic
in either direction. It's like, go get a Yannis or
(01:05):
a Bam out of Bio for Austin, or you know,
get this backup center that we like with you know,
Team X, and and go trade Austin for that guy.
And I think for the Lakers, certainly you have to
explore all options this summer. I think outside of Luca,
anything should be on the table in terms of potential
(01:27):
roster moves or potential roster upgrades. But with Austin, you
got to look at that contract and at fourteen million dollars, uh,
just the production that you're getting from him, one of
only eleven guys in the league to average twenty five
and five this past season. The rest of the list
is all all Star, all NBA Max contract HEP guys.
(01:48):
So I think to be getting that level of production
on you know, that small of a contract, my bar
for trading Austin is high. It's not just okay, they're
better fitting starting center that would work well next to Luca.
It's like, no, I need a top forty player back. Now,
that doesn't mean you're gonna get you, honest, but like,
I think there's a sweet spot there of a certain
(02:11):
type of guy I would trade for Austin, But I
just don't see that really being realistic. So if I'm
the Lakers, I would keep Austin. I would play out
this next year, see what it looks like, and then
potentially explore my options when his contract is up and
you got some decisions to make there. But I think
most of the people that are trying to trade Austin
(02:31):
are selling low on him.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
Yeah, So okay, So if Jannis does say, which he mentioned,
he'd be open to it, right, And it's kind of
ironic that he said that the day of the lottery.
I think that wasn't a coincidence. Says he would be
very open to come to the Lakers. Wants to come
to the Lakers. At that point, do you try to
(02:55):
make something happen? And if you do, obviously Milwaukee asked
for the world, and how do you really how do
you build around Giannis, Lebron and Luca if that were
to happen, because they would they would ask for the
world from the Lakers, wouldn't they.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yeah, And that's where it just it gets a little
tricky because the Lakers only have one tradeable first round
pick this summer. They could trade either their twenty thirty
one or twenty thirty two first round pick, so that
will have some value, and you could put Austin on
the table. You got to match salary, so you probably
got to put Rui maybe Gabe Vincent. I doubt they
(03:31):
would want Jared Vanderbilt because he has three more years left.
So you're probably putting a bunch of expiring money on
the table with Austin and one pick, and you have
up to five pick swaps. But the thing with pick
swaps are they only have value if the team receiving
the pickswap thinks they are going to be better than
you and they're getting a value by swapping picks with you.
(03:54):
But if the Bucks are tearing it down getting the Lakers,
pick swaps are basically meaningless for them because they're not
going to switch picks with the Lakers, who are probably
going to be drafting at the end of the first
round every year, So those are essentially meaningless. So I
just look at it like, can a team out there
top Austin Reeves and one first round pick and a
bunch of expiring money. Yes, I think many teams can.
(04:15):
I think Houston can, San Antonio, can Oklahoma City if
they somehow lose to Denver or don't win the championship
this year. I think they have to look at a
core and what they want to do with that. The
Knicks can put Karl Anthony Towons on the table. The
Nets have a bunch of young players and picks and
assets and like so I just think unless Jannis specifically
(04:35):
says I want to go to the Lakers and only
the Lakers, I just don't see how the Lakers are
are really in the mix because even the big city
teams that they are in competition with, if he only
wants to play in the big city, have better things
to offer than the Lakers, you know, whether it's young
guys or stars or I must be willing to even then,
(04:56):
like Lebron is a no trade clause, so he, you know,
could can veto that. But does Lebron want to go
to Milwaukee? Would Milwaukee even want Lebron? So a lot
of follow up questions there in terms of how it
would fit. I mean, Johannis and Luca pick and roll
would be unstoppable, and jannest is more than just a
rim running, vertical lob threat, but he can do that
(05:17):
if you put him in that role. So I think
it especially Jiannis and Luca long term, that would be
one of the best young duos. You know, sub thirty
duos we've seen an NBA history. Jannest multi time MVP
and champion. Luca I think is on his way to
do that. So I think from a basketball fit perspective,
(05:37):
you figure it out. And Lebron only has one the
two years left, so it's it's more about the long
term fit of Luca and Jannis and how you build
her on that. So if you can do that after
your Lakers, I say you move heaven and Earth to
do it. I just I'm skeptical based on what you know.
Houston could put Alphera and Shangoun and multiple picks, and
(05:58):
so you're putting an All Star and multiple picks. I
just think there are other teams that can outdid them.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah all right, okay, so I'm sorry. So given that,
what is the real need? I mean, everybody that says
the obvious, like, oh, they lost Anthony Davis, so they
lost their rint protection. They need a big guy, and
they need a big that's it. They get a big,
they're good, or they overreact to Austin Reeves. Is it
(06:25):
just a big, a good big that the Lakers could
use assuming that Lebron and Luca. Obviously Lebron come back
and lucas there, assuming that that are they only missing a.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Big no, no, no, I think I look at three needs. Certainly,
starting center is the biggest need because Jackson Hayes like that.
You know, it looked good for about six weeks there
in the regular season, and he started to tail off
late in the regular season, eventually got benched obviously in
the first round, and even within that was more of
(06:58):
like their ninth man despite being the starter in terms
of like minutes, what was like that eighth ninth guy.
So they were basically playing centerless for most of that
first round series, and they're playing centerless against one of
the biggest teams in the NBA, and we saw that
size and physicality discrepancy catch up to them. So I
think first and foremost, like at the top of the
(07:18):
list is going to be Lebron and what he does
with his player option, Luca and his extension. But assuming
Lebron either opts in or resigns and Luca eventually signs
an extension, I think it will potentially depend on how
that next month of free agency goes. Assuming those two
things play out the way that we think they will
probably play out, then it becomes you need a starting
(07:39):
caliber center, and it probably wants out to trade for
one because they only at most they have the non
tax payer level exception, which is about fourteen million dollars,
and then there are some cap restrictions with that you
get hard capped at the first apron, so they might
actually have to shed some money to use that. So
I don't want to nerd out on you guys with
it with the cap stuff. But like it says not
(08:00):
the is just like sign someone to fourteen million that
would have to do some gymnastics for that. But if
you look at the agency class, this is not a
good free agency class. So I think they're probably going
out to have to make a trade for a center,
and that's probably going to require putting a roote touch
and more potentially on the table or Gabe Vincent plus
like a first on the table. So like that, they're
(08:21):
going to have to move some rotation players to get
that center, but I think you have to be willing
to do that based on your needs. Then I think
the second thing is you just need more two way talent.
In general, I think they had too many guys that
were one dimensional one side of the ball. You look
at a guy like Jared Vanderbilt, offensive liability, really good defender,
(08:42):
but JJ Reddick never fully trusted him because of the
way that he struggled to finish, the way that he
struggled to shoot. And then the third thing I think
overall is just they need more depth, like you saw
it in Game four. Of course JJ only played five guys,
but like even within this series, he only trusted eight
to nine guys ups and I think they like if
you look at the back end of the roster, compare
(09:03):
that to the back end of Okac's roster, of Boston's roster,
of Cleveland's roster, Like, those teams just have way better
minimum guys and young players towards the back end of
the roster. So I think markis Morris, Alex Flynn they
can improve on those types of guys and have better
(09:24):
more players. So I think those would be my three things.
New center, more two way talent, particularly on the perimeter,
and then some better minimum kind of upsid guys towards
the back end of the roster.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Yo, man, how many minimum kind of guys are they
going to need if they get the fourteen million dollars
Center plus Lebron plus Luca.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, so right now, if they have to pick between
either the fourteen million dollar guy or they could do
a five point seven million dollar guy. The difference there
is you're you're not as hard capped, So the fourteen
million dollar guy you're hard capped at the first a
brind five point seven million dollar guys you're hardcapped at
the second Apron, So you have a little bit more
financial flexibility there. Then you also have upwards of seventy
(10:06):
million dollars in expiring contracts, one first round pick, and
up to five pick swaps. So that's where I think
they probably need to do two medium size moves, where
one is sign a player of impact in free agency,
whether it's using that five point seven or the fourteen million,
and then to make some trade. Be it again, either
(10:28):
you're putting Rui on the table and going for a
guy in the twenty million dollar range, or you're doing
something smaller with Gabe or Maxi Kleba, but being willing
to use that first round pick and see what you
could get for it, and if you could add a
couple of guys and make a couple of upgrades, run
it back. I think they are closer than the first
(10:50):
round indicated to me. It was just they had such
a glaring hole in the middle that it makes it
hard to even IgE where they're at because they just
didn't have a center and they didn't have a set
again against this team that starts, you know, multiple guys
six nine and above, and it was just a mismatch.
So I think if they can find the right type
of guy in the middle and add another high impact
(11:12):
wing type guy, I think they're right there.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
All right, Jovann, appreciate it, Yovon Buja Athletic Bouja's Block Podcast.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Thanks for coming on, man, appreciate you guys.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Fuks sir, There goes Jovann Boha.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Okay, so here's the deal. We've talked about the Lakers
and a need for a center. Everybody knows Zad. We
knew that before the playoffs even began. All right, Bill
Plaiski said, just go for it. I mean, go for
the big fish. Move Austin Reeves, get the best player possible.
You're gonna have to replace Austin Reeves, but he would
be replaced by the big You heard Jovan, I don't
(11:46):
know if I would do that. Yeah, you look at
that salary and he put it in his article, Austin
Reeves making four fourteen million a year and for the
for what's your gidding from him? At twenty five and five?
You're gonna that's like max player.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That's somebody making forty fifty sixty million dollars and you're
getting them at a bargain right now. So are you
willing to give that up to replace it?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
ATIX six nine eighty seven two five seventy give me
a chance to be the GM Milaker fans. You can
make the call here. One approach is we just got
to go for it, and if we have to go
for it and give up Austin Reeves, we're doing it.
The other approach is slow your role, Let's see if
we can get a few incremental guys, including one big
(12:37):
one and go further because we didn't have a center.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
So whati approach do you take.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
All the chips are in the middle, Austin Reeves is gone,
or hold out of Austin Reeves and let's see what
we can cobble together a TIX six nine eighty seven
two five.
Speaker 4 (12:51):
Seventy right home, right right on, right on Rodney, Pete,
fred Rogan on a Monday, Yes, Monday, come on, Freddy.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
All right, So the question is bill Plashki suggested. Then
we had yovonn Boja on to talk about it. How
do you improve the Lakers? What do you do? Plashki said,
you gotta trade Austin Reeves. He said, I don't want
to say this, I don't even want to write it,
but you gotta trade him. You gotta trade him to
get the guy you need. Yovann Bouja said, what everybody,
(13:25):
you know, kind of take it easy here. I'm not
saying you have to trade Austin Reeves. You do have
to get a big guy, but you may not have
to trade Austin Reeves.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So, Laker fans, if you.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Could get the big score, and let's say the big
score would be what Giannis Rodney?
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Yeah, it would be honest, all right.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
If you can get the big score and it's Yannis,
would you trade Austin Reeves eight sixty six, nine eighty
seven two five seventy MEMI is in menaphee Nemiah, thanks
for holding man.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
How's it going, guys?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Good?
Speaker 5 (13:59):
I would not trade Austin Reeves. I'm more for looking
for a lower level exception on a center, maybe taking
a flyer on like DeAndre eight In or someone that
is losing value, but we can possibly get on a
lower ended bargain.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Okay, Okay, I mean I kind of like that. I
kind of like that because we mentioned that Austin Reeves
and his salary is such a bargain right now that
you want to try to hold them at all costs.
But yeah, getting somebody, but Fred, you don't like DeAndrea,
you didn't like him coming out of college, you didn't
like him at Phoenix, But someone liked that that you
(14:36):
could get in that fourteen million dollar range. Would that
be enough? Or do you have to go out and
get a superstar to play that center position?
Speaker 1 (14:44):
All right, let's talk about DeAndre eight In for a minute.
Eight six six nine eighty seven two five seventy. As
you know, I did see.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
Him playing in college.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Yeah, I didn't like him in college, and I've not
liked him in the pros. He's got an attitude, it's
pretty simple.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Yeah, all right? Is that going to challenge it? Though?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Talented though, That's that's the scary thing about it. He's
got so much talent, that big and run the floor
like he had, and when he when he wanted to
play for Phoenix, when they had their little bit of
a run, when he wanted to play, he could be
a very good player. But that was the question. Did
he always want to play Fred?
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Well, I'm saying, do you roll the dice on that guy?
I don't know. I don't.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, it's like he's so good and we can fix him.
We're the guys. We have the secret ingredient here. Pierre
looked at not quite.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
The Dodgers yet, right, not quite the Dodgers where they
can just bring in anybody and fix them.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, because you can't fix someone's head. That's what you
can't fix. Pierre looked Duboiff when the Kings Detroit acquired him, Okay,
in every stop, he was going to be a superstar
every stop, Winnipeg, Columbus, every stop. This guy was the guy,
(16:07):
and the Kings traded for him and it was the
exact same guy he was in the other two stops.
Thank god they got rid of him, and Darcy Camper
turned out to be great. They couldn't fix that. There's
no correcting that his mind isn't going to change, his
effort or his attitude is not going to get better.
(16:27):
You can't fix that. That's why I wouldn't want DeAndre
Ayton here.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
You know what you get? Yeah, you know what you get?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Okay, a joy in Alpine Joy, thanks for holding appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Yeah, no problem.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
I don't think that we trade Austin Reeves, at least
not yet. I think Bulon made a great point, And
after reading Plashki's article, it's just doesn't make sense for us,
right pun intended. But at this time, they need a
full they need a full training camp. Let's see how
they stay connected. We definitely need that big body. But
I think that we can try to figure something out
(17:03):
and and try to make a trade in the mid
season if we have to. But I don't think you
give up that that type of salary gives us some flexibility,
and it gives us an ability to still again have
a playmaker that's on the floor when when Lebron or
Luca need that breast. But I could see why, you know,
other Lakers fans need feel the need to make something
blow up. We're used to greatness and then it's been
(17:25):
a while, but I definitely think that Austin Reeves should,
we should she should stick around for at least his
next training camp to see what happens.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Appreciate it. Thanks for that.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Here's the thing, too, Fred, are you absolutely and now
are they absolutely done and gave up on Jackson Hagges?
I mean, can he get in the whole off season,
full off season, put some weight on, get with JJ
and the staff and figure out a way he can
be a better performer, since he's still a young kid
(17:55):
with size. Right, there was a moment. Now, it was
a stretch, as Jovant said, there was a stretch. He
played really well and got over matched in the playoffs.
But is there Are you ready to give up on him?
Speaker 3 (18:06):
No, no, not at all. You don't. You don't give
up on him because.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
He's got something you can't teach height, So you don't
give up on him. And he you need two guys, yeah,
you need two of them, and he might be hearty.
Speaker 4 (18:22):
As they used to say, when I played a little
lighting ass d to hang in there with the big
fellas a little light and ass. So he got to
put on some bulk and and maybe an off season
you know with the new staff can help him.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
You never know.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, I look, I think you want him, but he's
not your starter. No, okay, find a starter. Then you
have him, you get rid of him, then you only
have one again and you have to go find another.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Uh okay, let's go to Austin, Texas. Jack has been holding. Hey, Jack,
appreciate you joining the show.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
How you doing.
Speaker 8 (18:56):
Doing well? I would say, you know, listen, I'm not
NBA talent evaluator, but one thing that stands out to
me is that Austin Reeds has gotten better every year
he's been in the league. And I just the guy
seems like a dog. And I don't know how you
put an exact dollar amount on that, but I think
(19:17):
we haven't even seen how good he's gonna get. So
I would not trade Austin Reeves.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
I don't think you're getting any argument from us. Thanks, Jack,
appreciate a good point. Good point. He does have that dog,
which we found. He made leaps and bounds this year,
and I don't know, you know a lot of it.
I think probably JJ believing in him, playing him a
lot more, putting him in situations. But he made leaps
and bounds and are we going to overreact to a
bad one, bad series that he had and say, Okay,
(19:44):
we got to get rid of him because I think
he can be a big time star in this league.
And I hate overreacting to a four or five game
or bad series that one player has when he's performed
for you pretty much all year. Let's go to riverside.
Heimo is on the line, Heimo, appreciate you holding what's happening?
Speaker 7 (20:07):
Hey, what's happening? Fred?
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Love you appreciate that? Hey, I don't love me. You
don't love me? You don't love me?
Speaker 7 (20:14):
Man? Yeah? You Hey, guys, I think the trade is
a great idea. I think the package deal to get
Jonnie and uh the parts that are needed to bring
the Lakers back to the championship form is a great idea.
I say, we uh packaged Lebron and Bronny and did
(20:36):
them out of town.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Okay, everybody, hold on, wait, hold on, we're not stray.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
We're getting rid of lebron and and Bronnie, right, so
bring it in? Is getting rid of Lebron and Bronny.
That's what Yeah, that's what Hemo is saying that. Okay,
I don't think they make that move. I don't think
they'd make that trade out. I was Milwaukee out. But
the whole thing was we're keeping Lebron, Luca and Giannis
or not anymore Lebron Luca in another big No, it's
(21:09):
the whole deal. We're not doing that anymore. Austin Reeves
And yeah, we're not doing that anymore.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
No, No, we have a new trade. We're gonna trade
Lebron and Bronni.
Speaker 4 (21:18):
For Lebron's not gonna get fifty five million dollars from
another club. I mean not at this stage in his career.
The only place he's getting that is with the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
He's not anywhere. Yeah, he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
So I think from the majority of people we just
briefly talked to, and I think if you really talk
to people that follow the Lakers, they would not want
to trade Austin Reeves. So now it's up to rock
Pool and gonna find somebody find that big. Sure we
give him credit for getting Luca Nico Harrison called. The
(21:55):
credit was he answered the phone, So he gets credit
for that. He was available to answer the phone. But
now figure out where that next person is coming from.
Where is the rim protection they need. I don't know
what if you had two guys Jackson Hayes gets a
little better and the new big is just a little
(22:18):
better than that. So not dominant, right, not a monster,
but certainly competitive, sort of like when Dwight Howard was here.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
You don't like MAXI Kleeber. I don't mind him, But
I'm just saying, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Does that person have to be dominant or just really solid,
because that's what you have to decide if you're going.
Speaker 4 (22:40):
To start all moves solid, because if you get look,
if you get these the as we called them at
the end of the year, right, everybody did. Now everybody
jumped off the bandwagon. They called him the Big three.
Now everybody wants to turn and get rid of Austin Reeves.
But for the better part of the season they were
calling them the new Big three in l A, right,
(23:01):
and all they needed was some rent protection. So I
think if you get somebody quality wise, and yeah, you
keep you keep Jackson Hayes as another big, but you
get somebody that's got experience that could be solid in.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
The middle, I think you really you really have.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Something because I think an off season between Austin Reeves,
Lebron and Luca. They will figure it out, and if
they have help with the big in the middle, it'll
it'll be a better result of them just working together
for a period of time rather than coming in mid
season and trying to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
So I was really sorry to hear that that your
friend died. What do you mean he's what do you
mean he's dead and he's still talking. We'll talk about that.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
Come on, Oh yeah, come on, let a flow on
a Monday, Rodney Pete, fred Rogan, come on. We're all
about positivity, Freddie, You're all about positivity, man, come on.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
I know we are, I know we are.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Can you tell the difference between something and a trio
and something that's AI generated Rodney.
Speaker 4 (24:17):
Less and less fred as they perfected less and less.
I used to be able to really tell the difference,
but now you know some of these things, it's it's
absolutely it's absolutely crazy and phenomenal and impressive at the
same time.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Yea, and disturbing at the same time. What can be disturbing? Yes?
Speaker 4 (24:38):
Have you seen some of these press conferences that they
do AI generated voices with some of the folks. It's
it's unbelievable. How they matched the mouth and the voice
and everything. It looks like it's a real press conference. Yeah,
I've been I've been fooled before you.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
So I'm more on some stuff, some video stuff, and
I thought, all right, let's try this with AI. And
as I said, because I don't really know the terminology
or anything, I told the person that I'm asking to
do this, Uh, make a little AI person, make them talk.
(25:20):
That's what I said, make a little AI person, make
them talk. As a matter of fact, can we have
them speak in Spanish because of this thing I'm doing?
And the guy said, sure, we can't. He says, first,
I'll show you the English version.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Now, I told him what I wanted it to be
and what the topic was, and I said, I need
it in a minute, minute and a half.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
Make it.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
God calls me in. I looked at it and I went,
oh my god. So the delivery was a little off.
Just know that the delivery of the person was a
little off. But I looked at that person, I went,
is that really generated by AI? And he goes, yeah, absolutely.
As a matter of fact, look at this. He pulls
up and he has like forty AI generated people and
(26:10):
they all look real, I mean real real, And he goes, oh,
I can use any one of these people to talk
you pick, and it look like a real person, a
real person.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
It didn't look like it was animated or anything. It
looked like a real person.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
Was doing it. Yeah, And I said, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
And the reason, by the way, scared companies do this
is because to be one hundred percent honest, it's more
cost effective.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
We can we can take a little animated person and
type in what we wanted to say, and the person
will say it. So what does that mean? You don't
need anybody to say it anymore and say it not
like it what you think of it before. Robotically it'll
say it with inflection, with emotion that a normal human
(27:09):
would say. Which is scary scary for.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
You know, for actors and stuff now because you think
about what it where it went to. Where you know
you used to have to go on location to shoot
you know, a scene in the mountains or a scene
in the or at the lake or a scene in
the you know in Switzerland. You don't have to do that.
You didn't have to do that, you know, they figured
that out years ago it was what CGI right, all
(27:38):
of that kind of stuff going on. But now with
this they can duplicate people and people look real.
Speaker 7 (27:47):
It is.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Scary, scary, scary what.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
They can do, Like as mentioned the press conferences that
they do and generate for like guys like Bill Belichick
or whoever else, and they just go crazy talking about
how you know, they just go crazy with oh Tani.
I saw one with him talking about him hitting a
home run and how he pimped it, and you know,
and MF and this and MF and that, and you know,
(28:15):
hell with that team.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
I hate that team. I always hated it.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
And they just go crazy with it's it's great and
it's fantastic and it's phenomenal and dangerous at the same time.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
Okay, that's fair.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah, So NBC has got the NBA package back and
I think we lost we I think NBC lost it
back in two thousand and two. Now NBC did the
NBA unlike any sport had been done before.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Seriously.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
With NBC the NBA, he became what it is today
because they worked with the league and they developed a
concept and they would market around the stars. And one
thing about NBC once they start something, that's what they
are and there they hold true to tradition. So they
lost the contract back then because the asking price to
keep it was too much and they felt they couldn't
(29:02):
make any money and they weren't about to lose money.
I remember back then, the president of NBC Sports told me,
Kenny Schanzer, you know a national rating, A national rating
was like a two point five percent a national rating.
Then I said, okay, So he said that means ninety
(29:23):
eight point five percent of the people aren't watching. Therefore
we're not going to pay what they're asking. Well, time
change in our live sports means everything. So NBC is
back in the game and it'll start in the fall,
will be on the network and on Peacock. But they're
very much into tradition and when they had it the
first go round, their announcer, Jim Fagan was the voice
(29:46):
of the NBA on NBC. So let's go back to
nineteen ninety eight, him doing a promo for the NBA Finals.
Speaker 9 (29:53):
He is the NBA on NBC.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
Final.
Speaker 9 (30:03):
Good, it's six, let's your congo, It's.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
Christmas Jet.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Remember that round ball rock John tesh mm hmmm. They're
bringing it back.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
They will.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
That will be their their music when they get the
NBA back in the fall.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
No, no, no, no, yeah, yeah, I remember. Give that some
some more time, just one more time.
Speaker 9 (30:25):
It's the NBA NVC, the nineteen NBA Final, It's Game six,
let's your cogoo, It's Christmas.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
J I don't care what anybody says. I'd love that music. Yeah,
I love that music.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
People people like Look, remember because John Tesh used to
host What You Entertainment Tonight?
Speaker 3 (30:51):
That was it?
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, right, so they thought that that's all he was,
was a host of that show, when in essence, his
passion and then everything he did was he was a composer, Yes,
and he was. He was a brilliant composer. So he
did a lot of those and did that and many
other things. But yeah, no, that that opening, that promo
(31:15):
was fantastic, fantastic.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Nineteen ninety eight. That was Jim Fagan, the voice of
the NBA on NBC. NBC has the NBA back starts
in the fall, but Jim Fagan has passed. I want
you to listen to the promo for the upcoming NBA
on NBC.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
The NBA on NBC is bad.
Speaker 9 (31:39):
I'll see you this October for the NBA season tip off.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Jim Fagan is dead. That was his AI voice. Think
about that.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
He passed away in twenty seventeen. Yeah, think about that,
like eight years ago, he passed away. I love the nostalgia.
I love the field. I do.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I mean because back in the day, that's when we
had the NBA on Channel four and the Lakers were
in their heyday and we had all the postgame shows.
It was the most fun I had working in LATV.
Well passed away in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
And everybody remembers, Yeah back then, because it was Costas
was calling the finals. Costas or Marv or Marv were
calling the finals. Costas called Michael Jordan's shot in Utah.
If this is the last version we've seen of Michael
Jordan with a poetic whatever he said, it was amazing.
(32:38):
It was iconic call for that shot that won the game,
that won the sixth championship for the Bulls in Michael Jordan.
And we all know he retired for a minute and
came back. But yeah, NBC was it for NBA. It
really was.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
You have to remember before NBC got the games, back then,
CBS had them Yeah, they would tape the way the
finals and run them at eleven thirty at night.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
Remember that jingle they used to have, It's the best
in basketball on CBEs.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
You're on the floor, ready to score, So let the
game on the floor. Yes, yes, let's see how and
you're ready to score at the game. Yes, and it
would come on after the local news.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Right, Brett Musburger and Sunny Hill would call the actions.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yes, Oh my god, yes, yes, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Can you imagine that they would tape to lay the
playoffs and it would air after the local news.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Kevin, all right, this is a very late ask and
probably difficult, but can you see up on YouTube they
have the old NBA on CBS jingle.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Oh that was the greatest, That was the greatest. One
on the floor and you're ready, ready to score.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
So let the games begin, and let's see how the
ball is going to bounce today it's the nv A
come on, enjoying the roaring crowd.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Something like that.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
So, so the deal is it was that, Oh, we
have the old CBS jingle.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
I remember. Oh, let's let's go.
Speaker 4 (34:15):
Remember moms, let me stay up late to watch whoever won?
Speaker 5 (34:26):
You got to take your very best shot and the
best team win. Ye, shut.
Speaker 7 (34:42):
And let's see.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Get back all right.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
That that was the national branding of the NBA on CBS.
That's when the NBA was as big as it was
going to be during its time. That was the feel
of it, that was the tone of it. Now, Kevin,
go back one more time to the nineteen ninety eight
NBC version.
Speaker 9 (35:44):
Is the NBA on NBC, the nineteen NBA Final Good,
it's eight six, the Chicago Christmas the Utah.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
J What a difference.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
That was kind of just a look at how people
perceived the NBA when it was on CBS, before all
the games were live.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Then NBC took it over and then it felt like
that NBC made.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
It this enormous event. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And then God, as to where we're at today, where
I think it's fair to say the people that do
the best job of the NBA is Turner.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
Yeah, without a doubt, without a doubt, their pregame, postgame,
their show is the best, the best, it really is.
It's what when Fox took over NFL and Fox got
involved in the NFL and they got you know, Howie
Terry and now straighthand but it started with with JB
(36:50):
Jim Brown.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Now Kurt Menafie takes it over. Now he's doing it.
Speaker 4 (36:54):
But but Fox is the standard in terms of the pregame,
postgame af time. But yeah, NBC, NBC had it, had
it going.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
It'll be that same feel when they come back in fall.
I think it's the same John Tesh music they'll use.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
It is yes, it is.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yes, it is yeah, Yeah, and it will be the
same voice AI generated Jim Fagan. Earlier in the show,
we told you that Kyle Tuck or somebody we've talked
about for a while, he'll be a free agent, and
who might be interested. Well, Bob Nightingale wrote that the
Dodgers might be interested, and Bobble joined us next
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