May 21, 2025 • 40 mins
Vinny Bonsignore joins us from the NFL leage meetings in Minnesota. Dustin May and the Dodgers have their hands full tonight against Corbin Burnes. Walker Buehler was ejected last night for arguing balls and strikes (the umpire was CLEARLY wrong).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete a five
seventy l A Sports Dodgers wrap things up with the
Diamondbacks tonight. We'll talk about that coming up later on
in the hour. But Rodney, now, let's go to Palm Beach, Florida,
and welcome in our good friend Vinnie Bond signor from
the NFL Owner Owners Meetings.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And Vinnie, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm doing good. It's actually in Minneapolis, Minnesota for the
spring meetings. Palm Beach was Bomb Beaches in March. I'd
rather be in actually, I love I love Minneapolis. But
it's been raady a call here, so very unlike Bomb Beach.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm not gonna walk where are you mindy, I'm not
even you know what, Rodney, No, I'll eat that one.
See to me.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
A little confusion, My god, my god? Oh Benny, hello, anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
How on? Yeah, exactly, Benny.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I just I had to because I'm something. I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I wish you the best. You're the best, Benny, You're
the best, Baby, You're the best.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Get confused because they have a lot of these meetings,
so it was they do have a lot of meeting.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The weather is starting to get good in Minnesota too,
So a lot of confusion going on. Benny, Okay, Benny, Bennie.
So obviously we'll get to the Tush push and some
of the other things, but what what what other? What
are the big topics of these meetings with the owners
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right now going forward and terms of what they're discussing
and what we need to.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Know, well aside from counting all the money, which they
always do that as well, and it looks like it
looks like Roger Goodell's going to get another contract and
another thirty six million dollars or somewhere along those lines.
But the Tush post definitely was the big the big
ticket for this particular meeting, as was the potential for
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playoff seedings and redoing the playoff seedings, which which got tabled.
It was a proposal being pushed by the Detroit Lions
to start devaluing division winners uh and just strictly see
the playoffs based on one loss records. And it didn't
have a whole lot of sport. I know, talking to
Mark Davis yesterday, he was adamantly against it. Felt like,
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you know, this is the league that's always that's always
been driven by winning your division. That was always the
key to to getting a home field advantage, getting a
whole game, you know, getting one of the top four
seeds went through the division winners. Uh, And he felt
and other owners agreed, like, if you're playing in a
difficult division, let's say the AFC West, which has the Chargers,
the Chiefs, the Broncos, and the Raiders. Three of those
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teams made the playoffs last year, why should you get
penalized for winning a tough division and maybe having some
group bumps and bruises along the way because you're playing
better competition than maybe let's say the ANFC South Division
at any particular time. So I think cooler heads prevailed
on that one, and they're going to stick with it
as is, although the commissioner said today that he expects
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that to be revisited at some point. So at some
point we may we may go to a true seating
where the top seven teams in each conference's playoffs are
just seated strictly by one lost record in that Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And the only way that works, right, Benny, is that
they do away with playing a home and home with
the divisions, because if you play a team twice. Mark
Davis has the perfect argument, like we're playing teams twice
and they're they're tougher. We got to play we got
to play the Chargers twife. We've got to play the
Broncos twice, and we got to play the Chiefs twice,
whereas Tennessee plays Jacksonville twice. So right, the playing teams
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twice a year would have to go by the wayside
if they would decide to do just on wins and.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Losses agree, and that takes away and kind of diminishes
these all these you know, rivalries that have been built
in the NFL. When you're talking about you know, the
New York Times and the Dallas Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles
and everybody in the NF he's for crying out a
lot is a fierce rival you know that, as well
as anybody. And out here in the West, the forty
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nine Ers in the Rams, you know, the Seattle Seahawks
and the Rams, the Raiders against the Chiefs, the Raiders
against the Broncos and Chargers. I don't see that that's
a good thing just because you might have a year
like you had last year, you know where a Vikings
team won fourteen and three but finished in second place
and had to go on the road in the playoffs
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to play the Rams who won their division at and six.
I know that from time to time that's going to happen.
But when you look at the overall picture and see
that that's very rare that that happens number one and
number two, you would have to do what you're suggesting,
which is mind bigging come to me to have to then,
you know, fix your schedule so that you're not playing
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you know, these tough teams twice a year and you're
going and you're trying to make the schedule more equid.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Why.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I just think that's putting down a rabbit hole that
the NFL doesn't want to go down.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, but here, and I hear you, and I respect it.
I respect I just agree. Yeah, I look at it
like this and everybody thinks I'm nuts. I wouldn't have
any divisions in anything. You're in the NFC. Here we go,
start playing the top seven. At the end of the season,
you're in the playoffs. Everybody else is out. It's like
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Premier League soccer. There are no divisions. Yeah, it's the
Premier League. The bottom three teams are relegated. Everybody else finishes.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So nobody would play anybody twice, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
No, and you might not. If you're the CWD, you
might not even play the Eagles this year. You might
not even play the Giants. There's no divisions none. So
you start with the schedule, and I guess in the NFL,
parody is critical. So you assign everybody of value given
what they did last year. Then you try to balance
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a schedule out where you have tougher games and easier games,
and there you go. So you know, it could be
the Kansas City Chiefs in Jacksonville, you know this year,
and it could be Kansas City and Seattle and Minnesota.
You would have no divisions, just the top teams. Now,
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the reason the Heoles would never going for that because
they're gonna lose money because once once their team starts fading,
nobody's gonna go. We know that. That's why they want
to keep it this way, and they want to have
a better chance. Even if you got a bad record,
you could make the playoffs and a bad division could
at least we get that revenue. But see, vinead would
just give itri of all of it. Here's the team
start playing and that's how we finish.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Maybe that's yeah, maybe that's maybe that's you know, what
they're gonna what they're gonna have to have to or
where the hell they would do it. But if you
I got had lunch with Mark Davis yesterday and he
was like almost counting the table about the division, Like
he he feels like that's what sets you know, the
NFL apart from from a lot of other leagues, professional leagues,
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are those are those in you know, in house worries
that you have year after year, that have been established
for a year after year after year. I mean what
you're saying, can you imagine where, you know, a division
that didn't have the New York Yankees and the Boston
such or the Dodgers and the Giants. I don't know,
I don't know. That's pretty drastic. That's pretty drastic.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, it's too much, and there's too much of a
fan base that it grew up on that and it
loves that, loves the fact. Okay, we played Philly and Philly,
but we get them back in Dallas now, so let's
see what happens when they come come to Dallas. Or
you're the Raiders and say, okay, yeah, we got the Raiders.
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We had to play in Kansas City, but they got
to come to our place and see our fans and
now you know, now we'll see what happens when they
play us at home. That is a big deal. And
if you're thinking about this is this is absolutely not
taking into account the fans. This, this is one hundred
percent we don't care about the fans, because the fans
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want the divisions, they want those rivalries. They want the
people to say, Okay, I can I can travel to
Philly because I know I'm going there every year. I'm
playing my trip to Philly to play, you know, for
my team to go to Philly to be there, and
then Philly's got to come to us. Phillies got to
come to and when they come to us, it's gonna
be crazy. It's gonna be crazy in our stadium. That's
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what the fans want. And if you're not, if you
don't care about the fans, and yeah, you go to
no divisions, but if you if you really truly care
about the fans, you don't eliminate that you think the
fans really care? Yes, yes, yes, yes, I do too.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, And covering a team like the Raiders that have,
you know, just these established rivalries that go all the
way back to when they were in the a f
L with the Chargers, with the Chiefs, you know, and
and and with the Broncos. It's it's pretty meaningful. And
uh and the fans, you know, are are definitely wrapped
up in that. You talk to a Ramstan about a
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San Francisco forty nine forty nine ers or vice versa
Roger played for the Philadelphia Eagles and the Dallas Now,
I mean you saw it from both sides of the quiet.
Those are those are hated, bitter rivals that and it
does carry over with the fan bases without question.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
All right, Vinny, let's talk about the touch Porsche and uh,
we kicked it around earlier. To me, it really isn't
that big of a deal. And I guess the decision
was We're keeping it. How did the vote go?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
What were the conversations like, well, this is a very
unique situation because you know, you have to look at
it like this. Overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly, and I cannot underscore that enough,
but overwhelmingly the NFL wanted to ban the tushpush. Two
powerful committees wanted to ban the Tushbush. The Health and
Safety Committee, among them twenty two teams wanted to ban
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the Tush push today. That's the story that's not getting
as that I think might be escaping some people. But
ten vote ten ten ten owners said now let's keep
it as is. So this was literally the minority winning out.
And that's the way the NFL has structured. You have
to get twenty four votes, that's the reports of the
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league has to vote, you know, to approve something that
didn't happen today by the slimits of margins. But it
tells you kind of how that system is and how
it works, because there's a lot of sentiment to get
that play banned. They just didn't get the necessary twenty
four votes. But twenty two to ten, I don't remember
a vote, you know, you know that that oc curve
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like that to change something, and it just and it
got most of the votes that it needed except for
two and fell short, like I said, by the slim
as of margins. So it kind of went against what
the commissioner probably wanted, what the Health and Safety Committee wanted,
what some of the players you know wanted, and what
twenty two owners wanted. And that's going to be a
unique situation.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Why why do you think it didn't it didn't go
through Benny. I mean, I think the Philadelphia Eagles created
a play that worked and other I mean, there's no
there was no rule that said nobody else can do this.
Philly play the Tousch Bush is only only Philly can
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do it. Other teams have tried Buffalo bills. I mean,
look very specifically tried in the playoffs, and they were
not able to pull it all because they couldn't perfect it.
They didn't understand how it worked. And it was Philly
who understood how it works, and it works for Philly.
So why do you punish Philly for creating a play
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that works throughout the NFL? I just I don't understand
why this was even even on the ballot.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, a couple of reasons, you know, based on people
that I've talked to. One, you know, there's a lot
of owners that remember when this rule was was banned.
When it was banned, when you aren't allowed ever to
be able to push or pull a player with you know,
help push or pull a player that that had the
ball in his hands from another player. It was never
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allowed up until two thousand and five and then they
and then they you know, altered it for some reason.
I still don't know just why they altered it. So
something that had been banned for the majority of professional
football's existence somehow was unbanned, you know, in twenty in
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two thousand and five. And there's a lot of owners
that want to go back to the to that time
and just take out the pushing and pulling. It's not
just and we focus on the to on, the on,
the on, the push toush, the toush push a lot,
but this was this is all over the field too,
where you know, a guy can be running and somebody
could come around him and push him and pull him
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you know forward and uh and and you know owners
wanted to stop all of it, but there were ten owners.
I said, no, that's okay. Now here's what I do
think is going to happen. I think you're going to
see a quick whistle on a lot of these plays
now because if you if you, if you really watch
the toush push, it looks like it might get you know,
slowed down, but the play is allowed or has been
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allowed to go on, and then they keep pushing forward
for the touchdown or get the first down even though
you don't, you can't. You lose sight of the football,
so you don't know are they moving forward are they not?
But slow whistles have prevailed recently, while it was made
pretty clear today by the rules Committee, by the by
the commissioner, and that didn't want the referees to blow
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the whistle.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But but Vinny, but Vinnie, and and but in essence,
when they really, you know, analyze this, and I saw
you know, different reports, the success of it was not
necessarily due to the running back or somebody behind the
quarterback pushing. It was more of the offensive line creating
the wedge that allowed the jailing hurts of the quarterback.
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Obviously phillys that created this allowing the quarterback to get there.
It wasn't necessarily the push from behind that enhanced it.
So if that's the case, do they say, okay, then
you can't you can't push the quarterback from behind. You know,
you can't. Running backs and whoever else is in the
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backfield can't push the quarterback from behind. But yet you
can still this particular play.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Right, And that's what they wanted to take out, was
the pushing and the pulling. But but uh. And that's
that's in essence, what they were trying to remove, and
what the vast majority of the NFL wanted to remove
was the art or the act of pushing and assisting
or pulling and assisting somebody with their with the with
the ball in their hands.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And and that's where it got a little bit nebulous.
And then again only ten voted to not ban it.
So the wording or the the way the vote was
shows you how much momentum there was to to ban
the pushing and pulling aspect of it, but it fell short.
I would imagine that it's going to get revisited, uh
at at at at some point. But you know, for now,
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the pushing and pulling is allowed, and that's all over
the field as well, not just in short yarded situations.
So that's that's that's the way it's it's going to be.
Jason Kelsey played a little bit of a role today.
He got up in front of the owners and spoke
and walked them through the play and broke it down.
And his end of it was to sort of explain
because remember the safety and the Health and Safety Committee
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said it needs to be banned, and there they were
looking at it from a safety perspective, not just a
you know, success and all that and stop it, don't
stop it. They were looking at this right. Kelsey said, look,
there's nobody that did the play more than I did
at the center literally, you know, in the center of
the action. And he said, in no way was this
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play any more dangerous than any other plays. So well,
at the very least ten owners sided with him today.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So many are you saying that anywhere on the field
this could happen. So if I'm running down the field,
a defender is chasing me, I've got a player right
in front of me. He can grab me by the
arm and just kind of whip me down.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It happens all the time. Fred sounds like we focus
on it, we focus on the touch push. But it
happens when a running back is not down to the
ground but he's held up and you see offensive lineman
go pushing forward and and and a lot of times
it pushed from the five yard line into the end
zone and they score, and nobody says anything about that
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part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
No, but I'm saying, somebody just grab someone by a
teammate by the arm and just kind of whip them forward,
like the guy's next to you and he's being chased,
is grab him by the arm and throw them forward.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Can you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yes, yeah you can. And that's what that's what you know.
I talked to Stephen Jones, you know, the the son
of Jerry Jones, coiner the Cowboys, and he said, he goes,
he goes. I wasn't even looking at it. And his vote,
his team voted to ban it, but he goes what
he said today, I wasn't even looking at it as
the tush push. I was looking at the pulling and
pushing and all over the field, you know. And uh
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and twenty two of us felt like that should be
taken out, but ten others felt like, no, it's good,
keep it. Uh and and and and that's why they
have governance. That's why they they don't have a majority role.
They they have a a a high hurdle to clear.
Whenever anything gets changes, it gets changed. And this was
one of those situations where the majority did not prevail.
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So so it's kind of an interesting day when you
think about it, and you think about how many people
actually did vote to take this play out. But yes, uh, Fred,
you could do that. You can push and you can pull.
That's that was the whole thing. It wasn't just again,
it wasn't just a toush push. It was the It
was the actual pushing and pulling players and helping them along.
So now we're going to find out if there's going
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to be these quick whistles that I think are going
to happen because now the referee, once the whistle blows,
there's nothing you can do. The play is dead. Period.
So we'll see how quickly. And they made it clear
today that that's what they want the referees UH to
do to minimize this.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
There's going to be controversy. All yeah, exactly, especially with Philadelphia.
There's gonna be they're gonna blow that quick whistle and
a heartbeat. Oh play is dead. Okay, we're gonna market
right here. It's going to happen. What else, Benny? What
else else was with topics of discussion at the at
the meeting?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Well, you'll like this, they they we rarely get this.
There's a new award and it's called it literally called
the Protector of the Year Award, and it goes to
the top offensive lineman in the NFL UH and there's
going to be a big committee that that decides it. Uh.
Andrew Whitworth, our good friend from the RAMS, is one
of the committee that's gonna annually decide who the top
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offensive lineman is. So that was that was voted on,
and also that was that was approved. And also U
now that the dynamic kickoff rule is in tax moving
forward kind of a permanent thing. They decided to tweak
the on site kick in the last year when they
when they introduced that dynamic kickoff and lined up everybody
weirdly and oddly compared to where it had been. They said, yet,
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onside kicks are allowed, but number one you had to
declare it, and number two, it could only happen in
the fourth quarter. Well, the lead. Today you can onside
and kick it whenever you want, even if you're but
the only stipulation being number one, you do have to
declare it, and number two you have to be trailing
in the game. But you can now onside kick it
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in the first quarter if you if you're down by
fourteen points or so and you want to quickly get
back in or try to get back in as quickly
as possible, you're not allowed to onside kicks.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
But you can't. You can't surprise somebody like the Saints
did in a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Exactly. I know, that's exactly what I was thinking about, Rodney.
You still can't surprise people. But what they're going to
do is they're gonna they're gonna move the ball back
to the thirty five to the thirty four yard line
where they actually kick it. The players get to line
up at the thirty five yard line, so a yard ahead,
which which the league feels will allow them to maybe
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make this play or convert this play. It fell a
six percent last year. That was a success rate, which is,
you know, really bad. So they want to increase the
six percent. So they feel like by lyne the players
up a certain way, uh, they're going to give them
a better chance to convert that play. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I understand it's all about safety, but the beauty to
the onside kick is you catch somebody by surprise.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, that's the excitement surrounding the play. So I mean,
you're you're basically announcing we're gonna kick it, and we're
gonna kick it right there. Great, everybody got it? Any questions,
I'm gonna line up here, I'm gonna kick it there.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Let me throw let me throw something out at you.
That has been talked about, but you know obviously that
this change didn't occur. But one thing that they were
thinking about with to replace the on side kick because
for that reason, like it's it's number one, it's hard
to do now, especially where the way it's lined up
and all that, and the surprise factors take it out
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because you had to declare it. The one thing they
were thinking about was if you're behind uh in the
fourth quarter and you know, you in lieu of an
on side kick, what they would what they would allow
you to do is get the ball like a your
twenty five yard line, your on twenty five yard line,
and I think it's a stay. It would be at
first it would be a fourth and fifteen situation, so
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you have to make the first down in fifteen yards
or the other team gets the ball at the twenty
five yard line, which I don't know. You know, at
some point, I'm wondering if maybe that's the way to go,
because at leases a football play and at least it
gives coaches Rodney, you know this, your offensive coordinator is
going to cook up some fifteen yarders out there, you know,
the play specifically designed to make up that first down
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on the on you know, on a fourth and fifteen.
So I don't know, maybe that's the way that this
needs to They've talked about it. It hasn't gone anywhere
necessarily just yet. But I wonder if because I think
they're going to find out that the success rate is
not going to be as good it's it's still going
to be bad because.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Of the success rate of the outside kick is terrible.
The I mean, I agree with you. I'd much rather
see them okay, fourth and fifteen from the twenty five
yard line than than what they're doing now and declaring, Okay,
I'm going to on side kick it to the left,
and you guys gotta come on. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous, Finny,
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it really would be.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
What do you think is what do you think the
success rate would be on that on that.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I think it would be better than the on side kick.
I think it would be better. Now, I don't know what. Yeah,
so yeah, yeah, give me fourth and fifteen. If I'm
down and I got I'm desperate and I got to
win the game. And I'm gonna take the fourth and
fifteen from my twenty five to design a play that's
going to give me a first down as opposed to
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trying to kick an onside kick. Well, I got to
tell them why.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm kicking it, agreed. And I think coaches love that
because you know, they love the scheme stuff up and
it's hard to steam up an on side kick now
compared to a great you know, fifteen yard place. So
I'll with you, and maybe that's how there you go
about it.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The USFL does that, I mean the UFL fourth and fifteen, Yeah,
and it's uh, I think of fifteen percent success rate.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Well, you know that's better than six percent. Number one
and number two would imagine with better. I mean, we
know that quarterbacks in the NFL are much better, nothing
against our friends in the UFL UFL, but the players
are just better. Now. You could make the argument that
the defensive players are better too, but I would think
with the with the level of quarterback that you have
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in the NFL, that would go up. I would say,
that would be my guest.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
All right, Yeah, Bennie, thanks for the checking from the
sun Capital of the World, Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I have a good way to you guys.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
So last night got a little hectic, in a little tense,
but the Dodgers figured out a way to end that
losing streak. We'll talk about that next.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Robbie Pete pretd Rogan on a hump day on Wednesday. Yes,
come on, let's go, Freddy.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
What'd you think last night watching the Dodgers. I mean,
I was the happiest guy in the world watching Yoshi Yamamoto.
He was spectacular. That was a top notch performance. Seven innings,
no hitter for a good portion of it. Dave left
him out there to throw I think one hundred and
twelve pitches. Let him go, let him do it, and
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he did it. And when he walks off the field,
you're thinking to yourself, that performance right there, that's a
winning performance. That's a winning performance. And then of course
the home run to tie the game. So it was
like you could be the highest you could be and
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suddenly come crashing down. That was really tough. Now, it's
good they came back to win. It's good they were
able to put together those runs in the tenth. It's
good Max Months he had a sacrifice to win it.
But still that was a tough one Rodney to watch.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah, I mean, imagine if you're Yamamoto, right, and we
gauge pictures on wins and losses, we gauge him on
e ra.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And he's got a no hitter going into the seven
and and and then he's got one hit I believe
one hit that was against him before he leaves the
game after the seventh inning. In fact, got out of
a bind in the seven. And then you walk off
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the mound going There's not many there's not many pitchers
in baseball that just did what I did. You know,
seven shutout innings, didn't loud, didn't allow a run, only
allowed one hit. This has got to be I got
to all around to celebrate this from and I gotta
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win the game because at the end of the day
it's wins and losses too. So you leave and then uh,
an inning later, all of a sudden, the game is tied.
You're out of the mix in terms of getting a
decision in this game. After you pitch seven great innings,
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you have no you have no record of this game.
It doesn't it just doesn't compute, it doesn't add up.
It's just not fair when you pitch the way he pits,
and all of a sudden they tie the game up,
and all of a sudden, now you're you have no decision,
you don't win the game, you don't lose the game,
you don't do anything after the performance that you gave.
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It just is not fair for a picture like Yamamoto
who did what he did and in a situation where
the Dodgers lost four in a row and needed an
outstanding performance by a starting pitcher, and he gave it
to him when for the last month we've been talking
about we need our starting pitchers to give length, to
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go deep into games and to give us a chance,
and he did exactly that, and yet he gets no decision,
doesn't get to win, goesn't get the loss. I bet
he would have said, give me the lost. God, dang,
give me the loss. No, he would not give give
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me a loss. Don't give me a nothing, give me something.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
That probably not, but no, he would not have said that.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
But still, you don't give me anything. And they tie
it up, and then they go ahead and the diet
just come back and win. And the only thing we
know about the only thing that's going to be a
record for this Yamamoto outing is for us to talk
about it in the next few days. Otherwise nobody's going
to talk about because he didn't get a win, didn't
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get anything, didn't he get anything. He went seven complete innings,
shutout innings and give up one hit. Is there's nothing
to show for it from his personal stats, there's nothing
to really show for it. Well it helps his era,
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Well yeah, it helps his cra Okay, it helps his thera,
but it doesn't help his wins and loss. He should
have won day.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
He should have So tonight will be interesting as they
wrap it up. Dustin May will be on the mound. Now.
Dustin May started the season very well. You look at
him and said, oh god, he could.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Be the ace here. He's back.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
He's back. He's not so back. He's back, not so
back because he has been he's missed the last couple
of outings. He's been hit the last couple of outings.
Do you think tonight is the night he turns in
a round row?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I hope so. I think so. I think. I think
last night you said this start to show that could
this be a turning point? And I think it could.
I think it could. I think it could be one
of those moments where Yamamoto gave everybody some inspiration of
recognizing who the Dodgers are. And I think Dustin May
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comes out trying to duplicate what Yamamoto did last night,
and hopefully he doesn't try too hard because he doesn't
have to. He's got the stuff to be able to
do that. But I think he has a good outing tonight. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I hope you're right, because he has not been crisp,
he has not been sharp, no, and he needs to
turn it around tonight. I mean that sweeper he's been thrown,
has been missing, and he's been getting in trouble early.
That's another thing. You know, he has struggled out of
the gate the last couple of times. So tonight you
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hope he goes out, he settles down and it's a
one two three first inning, or he moves through the
first inning with relative ease, even if somebody gets on.
But I don't think that he can continue to struggle
like that because what we are seeing with the Dodgers,
and Dave Roberts said it the other night, the problem
is you look up and you're down three nothing. You
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haven't even started yet.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, Well, getting off to a good start is key
for the Dodgers. You got to allow your you gotta
allow your power. You got to allow your guys to
put pressure on the other team. And you've got three
guys at the top of the lineup that are three MVPs,
and on top of that you got Will Smith and
Taascar Rnandez. So you've got to allow that top of
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the lineup to put pressure on the other team. Because
when you don't, and you go out there and you
give up two runs three runs in the first inning,
then there's no pressure on the opposing pitcher none. So
it's imperative that they shut down the first inning. It
really is for Dustin May to have a good first inning,
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and it'd be great if the Dogers got off to
a good start hitting wise. But they're facing Corvin Burns, right. Yeah,
he didn't look bad against him the last time he
pitched either. No, he's a bad boy, which is why
they went out and signed him. He has been there
and been that kind of guy for a number of years.
So he is in the upper echelon of pitchers in
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Major League Baseball, not just the National League. He is
a very very good pitcher and I'd put him in.
You know, I don't know Fred, He's he's top five
to seven pitchers in the National League right now. Corbyn
Burns has been there and he's been consistent that way
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for a number of years. Yeah, so it won't be
any uh and he's sha ain't no walk in the park, no.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
No, So tonight just got off to a good start.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And that's the strength of the Diamondbacks is they're pitching.
You know him Gallon now, I mean they That's why
everybody believes they're going to be there in the d
because they've got great pitching. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
On the topic of pitching, what are we going to
see Shoheo Tani? That's the question. Well, he is progressing
in his throwing program. That's good news. And now we
do you want to see him tomorrow? But now he's
throwing breaking balls from flat ground, which is good news.
What do you want to see him yesterday? That's what
I want to see him. He I think it's still
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All Star break after the All Star break, best case,
and really as long as anybody can pitch besides him,
let them pitch until it's absolutely notice as.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
What I'm saying, do you want to see him. Do
you want to see him because there's a necessity to
see him, or do you want to see him as
a luxury and they trot him out here, you know,
not every fifth fifth start or fifth or whatever. It's like, oh,
you know Showy is gonna go. It's you know, he's
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gonna take the start from somebody else and he's gonna start,
or do you want him? Say, God, we gotta have
you know, every every fourth start, we gotta get Showy's
got to be one of our guys because we need them.
We have nobody else. I'd rather than be the luxury. Fred.
And then once we get to September October, go, Okay,
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you haven't seen him all year long, but now he's
ready to go, and he's gonna start Game two of
the World Series, or he's going to start Game two
of the NLCS. Yeah, I just want to see him.
And hearing everything you said, I just want to see
him because I want to see him because it's.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Selfish, because I think it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I mean, it makes no sense, but you don't want
to see him out of necessity.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
No, I just want to see him because it's gonna
be fun. I'm not even I'm not even thinking about
the team's record.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Now, you see what he can do, right, see what
he can What if he struggles his first three auties,
what are you gonna do? Do you pull him back?
Do you you say, well, let's just wait until next
year before we when we start him at the beginning
of the season with the full spring training, and we'll
start him in the beginning. Or do you say we're
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just gonna keep trotting him out there in August September
and see if he's ready to go by the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
No, if he struggles when he goes in, he's done.
We'll see you next year. You don't have that luxury
if you're gonna put him in so late in the season,
you're gonna put him.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
You don't keep you don't keep, you don't keep dropping,
you don't keep trotting him out there in August September.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
No, if the game's no, if those games mean something,
you can't you can't let him work it out, then yeah,
because you don't have that luxury because every game is
too important at that point. So I just look at
it like this. If he goes in and he does it,
he stays. But to your point, if you put him
in August September and he's struggling more than one or
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two games, then that's it.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
We'll get you next year.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
You don't have the ability to let him work through it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
In games that really matter, yeah, because you don't want to.
You definitely don't want it to affect his offense. He's too
valuable offensively for you to trot him out there and
he struggles on the mound. Because here's the thing, you
don't know even if he doesn't, if it's not in
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an injury situation, if he struggles on the mound, you
don't know how that affects him at the plate, correct
right mentally, And so I think you treat it as
a luxury and a game that doesn't mean a whole lot. Yeah,
you put him otherwise you don't.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, petro some money or next and we're back
to wrap this up.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Come on, oh, bringing it all the way home, Roddy
Pete Fred Rogan on a Wednesday hump day. Come on,
get over the home.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Hey, before we get out of here, do you see
Walker Buller going sane?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Last night? I did, I did. I loved it though
I loved it because the umpire was completely invalidated your
statement Fred about the automated strike zone, because that's that
pitch was right down the middle, and I know the
catcher got up to throw the guy out at second base,
but man, that was center cut and Walker had every
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every right to dispute that call. And the fact that
the umpire took it to the aggressive stage and started
pointing at him and walking towards him and pointing at him,
I think he was out of line. Yeah, sure, Walker
could have kept us cool a little bit more, but
I think when that umpire came and started pointing at him,
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get back on the mount, get back on the mound,
and not allowing him to express like that, BoNT it
was right down the middle.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
It was down in the middle.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
It was against the metsaway, yes, And so the umpire
I thought was out of line and defensive and and
just really overreacted. And then he threw our core as well.
So I mean I liked it because we know Walker
from here and he is a fierce competitor. We didn't
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we have not really we didn't really see that side
of Walker, but we knew how how how much of
a competitor. He was by him demanding to go warm
up at you know, at the end of the game
in the world serious said Dave, I'm going down to
the bullpen and I'll be ready to go, and they
put him in. It was like, I'm coming in. I'm
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going down to the warm up and when you make
that change, you put me in the game, and I
will close this bad boy out. And he did and
I loved it. And he he pimped it when he
struck when he struck, uh, I forget who it was
out when he struck him out, and so we knew
he had that fire in him. But that was that
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was the greedious by the umpire. I think it was
just poor by the umpire. And get it. You know,
it's supposed to argue balls and strikes, but come on,
that was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It was right down the middle, Yes, I mean it
was right there the middle. Yes, belt high. You couldn't
miss the call.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, it was bad. And maybe you know because the
guy was running and the catcher was throwing the second
base at the time he got up, But still, you
can't miss a ball right down the middle.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Like now, I think he was just paying tribute to
to his boy angel Hernandez. That's probably what pour one
out for the home long he pours working by the way.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
He poured a little forty on the ground for a yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Okay money, Thank you, great job, terrific work. Gonna appreciate
it as well. And Rodney back at it tomorrow, right,
all
And we continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Pete a five
seventy l A Sports Dodgers wrap things up with the
Diamondbacks tonight. We'll talk about that coming up later on
in the hour. But Rodney, now, let's go to Palm Beach, Florida,
and welcome in our good friend Vinnie Bond signor from
the NFL Owner Owners Meetings.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
And Vinnie, how are you.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
I'm doing good. It's actually in Minneapolis, Minnesota for the
spring meetings. Palm Beach was Bomb Beaches in March. I'd
rather be in actually, I love I love Minneapolis. But
it's been raady a call here, so very unlike Bomb Beach.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I'm not gonna walk where are you mindy, I'm not
even you know what, Rodney, No, I'll eat that one.
See to me.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
A little confusion, My god, my god? Oh Benny, hello, anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
How on? Yeah, exactly, Benny.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I just I had to because I'm something. I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
I wish you the best. You're the best, Benny, You're
the best, Baby, You're the best.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Get confused because they have a lot of these meetings,
so it was they do have a lot of meeting.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The weather is starting to get good in Minnesota too,
So a lot of confusion going on. Benny, Okay, Benny, Bennie.
So obviously we'll get to the Tush push and some
of the other things, but what what what other? What
are the big topics of these meetings with the owners
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right now going forward and terms of what they're discussing
and what we need to.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Know, well aside from counting all the money, which they
always do that as well, and it looks like it
looks like Roger Goodell's going to get another contract and
another thirty six million dollars or somewhere along those lines.
But the Tush post definitely was the big the big
ticket for this particular meeting, as was the potential for
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playoff seedings and redoing the playoff seedings, which which got tabled.
It was a proposal being pushed by the Detroit Lions
to start devaluing division winners uh and just strictly see
the playoffs based on one loss records. And it didn't
have a whole lot of sport. I know, talking to
Mark Davis yesterday, he was adamantly against it. Felt like,
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you know, this is the league that's always that's always
been driven by winning your division. That was always the
key to to getting a home field advantage, getting a
whole game, you know, getting one of the top four
seeds went through the division winners. Uh, And he felt
and other owners agreed, like, if you're playing in a
difficult division, let's say the AFC West, which has the Chargers,
the Chiefs, the Broncos, and the Raiders. Three of those
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teams made the playoffs last year, why should you get
penalized for winning a tough division and maybe having some
group bumps and bruises along the way because you're playing
better competition than maybe let's say the ANFC South Division
at any particular time. So I think cooler heads prevailed
on that one, and they're going to stick with it
as is, although the commissioner said today that he expects
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that to be revisited at some point. So at some
point we may we may go to a true seating
where the top seven teams in each conference's playoffs are
just seated strictly by one lost record in that Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
And the only way that works, right, Benny, is that
they do away with playing a home and home with
the divisions, because if you play a team twice. Mark
Davis has the perfect argument, like we're playing teams twice
and they're they're tougher. We got to play we got
to play the Chargers twife. We've got to play the
Broncos twice, and we got to play the Chiefs twice,
whereas Tennessee plays Jacksonville twice. So right, the playing teams
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twice a year would have to go by the wayside
if they would decide to do just on wins and.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Losses agree, and that takes away and kind of diminishes
these all these you know, rivalries that have been built
in the NFL. When you're talking about you know, the
New York Times and the Dallas Cowboys, the Philadelphia Eagles
and everybody in the NF he's for crying out a
lot is a fierce rival you know that, as well
as anybody. And out here in the West, the forty
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nine Ers in the Rams, you know, the Seattle Seahawks
and the Rams, the Raiders against the Chiefs, the Raiders
against the Broncos and Chargers. I don't see that that's
a good thing just because you might have a year
like you had last year, you know where a Vikings
team won fourteen and three but finished in second place
and had to go on the road in the playoffs
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to play the Rams who won their division at and six.
I know that from time to time that's going to happen.
But when you look at the overall picture and see
that that's very rare that that happens number one and
number two, you would have to do what you're suggesting,
which is mind bigging come to me to have to then,
you know, fix your schedule so that you're not playing
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you know, these tough teams twice a year and you're
going and you're trying to make the schedule more equid.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Why.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I just think that's putting down a rabbit hole that
the NFL doesn't want to go down.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, but here, and I hear you, and I respect it.
I respect I just agree. Yeah, I look at it
like this and everybody thinks I'm nuts. I wouldn't have
any divisions in anything. You're in the NFC. Here we go,
start playing the top seven. At the end of the season,
you're in the playoffs. Everybody else is out. It's like
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Premier League soccer. There are no divisions. Yeah, it's the
Premier League. The bottom three teams are relegated. Everybody else finishes.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
So nobody would play anybody twice, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
No, and you might not. If you're the CWD, you
might not even play the Eagles this year. You might
not even play the Giants. There's no divisions none. So
you start with the schedule, and I guess in the NFL,
parody is critical. So you assign everybody of value given
what they did last year. Then you try to balance
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a schedule out where you have tougher games and easier games,
and there you go. So you know, it could be
the Kansas City Chiefs in Jacksonville, you know this year,
and it could be Kansas City and Seattle and Minnesota.
You would have no divisions, just the top teams. Now,
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the reason the Heoles would never going for that because
they're gonna lose money because once once their team starts fading,
nobody's gonna go. We know that. That's why they want
to keep it this way, and they want to have
a better chance. Even if you got a bad record,
you could make the playoffs and a bad division could
at least we get that revenue. But see, vinead would
just give itri of all of it. Here's the team
start playing and that's how we finish.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Maybe that's yeah, maybe that's maybe that's you know, what
they're gonna what they're gonna have to have to or
where the hell they would do it. But if you
I got had lunch with Mark Davis yesterday and he
was like almost counting the table about the division, Like
he he feels like that's what sets you know, the
NFL apart from from a lot of other leagues, professional leagues,
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are those are those in you know, in house worries
that you have year after year, that have been established
for a year after year after year. I mean what
you're saying, can you imagine where, you know, a division
that didn't have the New York Yankees and the Boston
such or the Dodgers and the Giants. I don't know,
I don't know. That's pretty drastic. That's pretty drastic.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, it's too much, and there's too much of a
fan base that it grew up on that and it
loves that, loves the fact. Okay, we played Philly and Philly,
but we get them back in Dallas now, so let's
see what happens when they come come to Dallas. Or
you're the Raiders and say, okay, yeah, we got the Raiders.
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We had to play in Kansas City, but they got
to come to our place and see our fans and
now you know, now we'll see what happens when they
play us at home. That is a big deal. And
if you're thinking about this is this is absolutely not
taking into account the fans. This, this is one hundred
percent we don't care about the fans, because the fans
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want the divisions, they want those rivalries. They want the
people to say, Okay, I can I can travel to
Philly because I know I'm going there every year. I'm
playing my trip to Philly to play, you know, for
my team to go to Philly to be there, and
then Philly's got to come to us. Phillies got to
come to and when they come to us, it's gonna
be crazy. It's gonna be crazy in our stadium. That's
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what the fans want. And if you're not, if you
don't care about the fans, and yeah, you go to
no divisions, but if you if you really truly care
about the fans, you don't eliminate that you think the
fans really care? Yes, yes, yes, yes, I do too.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, And covering a team like the Raiders that have,
you know, just these established rivalries that go all the
way back to when they were in the a f
L with the Chargers, with the Chiefs, you know, and
and and with the Broncos. It's it's pretty meaningful. And
uh and the fans, you know, are are definitely wrapped
up in that. You talk to a Ramstan about a
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San Francisco forty nine forty nine ers or vice versa
Roger played for the Philadelphia Eagles and the Dallas Now,
I mean you saw it from both sides of the quiet.
Those are those are hated, bitter rivals that and it
does carry over with the fan bases without question.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
All right, Vinny, let's talk about the touch Porsche and uh,
we kicked it around earlier. To me, it really isn't
that big of a deal. And I guess the decision
was We're keeping it. How did the vote go?
Speaker 3 (10:05):
What were the conversations like, well, this is a very
unique situation because you know, you have to look at
it like this. Overwhelmingly, overwhelmingly, and I cannot underscore that enough,
but overwhelmingly the NFL wanted to ban the tushpush. Two
powerful committees wanted to ban the Tushbush. The Health and
Safety Committee, among them twenty two teams wanted to ban
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the Tush push today. That's the story that's not getting
as that I think might be escaping some people. But
ten vote ten ten ten owners said now let's keep
it as is. So this was literally the minority winning out.
And that's the way the NFL has structured. You have
to get twenty four votes, that's the reports of the
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league has to vote, you know, to approve something that
didn't happen today by the slimits of margins. But it
tells you kind of how that system is and how
it works, because there's a lot of sentiment to get
that play banned. They just didn't get the necessary twenty
four votes. But twenty two to ten, I don't remember
a vote, you know, you know that that oc curve
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like that to change something, and it just and it
got most of the votes that it needed except for
two and fell short, like I said, by the slim
as of margins. So it kind of went against what
the commissioner probably wanted, what the Health and Safety Committee wanted,
what some of the players you know wanted, and what
twenty two owners wanted. And that's going to be a
unique situation.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Why why do you think it didn't it didn't go
through Benny. I mean, I think the Philadelphia Eagles created
a play that worked and other I mean, there's no
there was no rule that said nobody else can do this.
Philly play the Tousch Bush is only only Philly can
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do it. Other teams have tried Buffalo bills. I mean,
look very specifically tried in the playoffs, and they were
not able to pull it all because they couldn't perfect it.
They didn't understand how it worked. And it was Philly
who understood how it works, and it works for Philly.
So why do you punish Philly for creating a play
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that works throughout the NFL? I just I don't understand
why this was even even on the ballot.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, a couple of reasons, you know, based on people
that I've talked to. One, you know, there's a lot
of owners that remember when this rule was was banned.
When it was banned, when you aren't allowed ever to
be able to push or pull a player with you know,
help push or pull a player that that had the
ball in his hands from another player. It was never
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allowed up until two thousand and five and then they
and then they you know, altered it for some reason.
I still don't know just why they altered it. So
something that had been banned for the majority of professional
football's existence somehow was unbanned, you know, in twenty in
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two thousand and five. And there's a lot of owners
that want to go back to the to that time
and just take out the pushing and pulling. It's not
just and we focus on the to on, the on,
the on, the push toush, the toush push a lot,
but this was this is all over the field too,
where you know, a guy can be running and somebody
could come around him and push him and pull him
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you know forward and uh and and you know owners
wanted to stop all of it, but there were ten owners.
I said, no, that's okay. Now here's what I do
think is going to happen. I think you're going to
see a quick whistle on a lot of these plays
now because if you if you, if you really watch
the toush push, it looks like it might get you know,
slowed down, but the play is allowed or has been
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allowed to go on, and then they keep pushing forward
for the touchdown or get the first down even though
you don't, you can't. You lose sight of the football,
so you don't know are they moving forward are they not?
But slow whistles have prevailed recently, while it was made
pretty clear today by the rules Committee, by the by
the commissioner, and that didn't want the referees to blow
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the whistle.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
But but Vinny, but Vinnie, and and but in essence,
when they really, you know, analyze this, and I saw
you know, different reports, the success of it was not
necessarily due to the running back or somebody behind the
quarterback pushing. It was more of the offensive line creating
the wedge that allowed the jailing hurts of the quarterback.
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Obviously phillys that created this allowing the quarterback to get there.
It wasn't necessarily the push from behind that enhanced it.
So if that's the case, do they say, okay, then
you can't you can't push the quarterback from behind. You know,
you can't. Running backs and whoever else is in the
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backfield can't push the quarterback from behind. But yet you
can still this particular play.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
Right, And that's what they wanted to take out, was
the pushing and the pulling. But but uh. And that's
that's in essence, what they were trying to remove, and
what the vast majority of the NFL wanted to remove
was the art or the act of pushing and assisting
or pulling and assisting somebody with their with the with
the ball in their hands.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And and that's where it got a little bit nebulous.
And then again only ten voted to not ban it.
So the wording or the the way the vote was
shows you how much momentum there was to to ban
the pushing and pulling aspect of it, but it fell short.
I would imagine that it's going to get revisited, uh
at at at at some point. But you know, for now,
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the pushing and pulling is allowed, and that's all over
the field as well, not just in short yarded situations.
So that's that's that's the way it's it's going to be.
Jason Kelsey played a little bit of a role today.
He got up in front of the owners and spoke
and walked them through the play and broke it down.
And his end of it was to sort of explain
because remember the safety and the Health and Safety Committee
(16:07):
said it needs to be banned, and there they were
looking at it from a safety perspective, not just a
you know, success and all that and stop it, don't
stop it. They were looking at this right. Kelsey said, look,
there's nobody that did the play more than I did
at the center literally, you know, in the center of
the action. And he said, in no way was this
(16:30):
play any more dangerous than any other plays. So well,
at the very least ten owners sided with him today.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
So many are you saying that anywhere on the field
this could happen. So if I'm running down the field,
a defender is chasing me, I've got a player right
in front of me. He can grab me by the
arm and just kind of whip me down.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
It happens all the time. Fred sounds like we focus
on it, we focus on the touch push. But it
happens when a running back is not down to the
ground but he's held up and you see offensive lineman
go pushing forward and and and a lot of times
it pushed from the five yard line into the end
zone and they score, and nobody says anything about that
(17:09):
part of it.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
No, but I'm saying, somebody just grab someone by a
teammate by the arm and just kind of whip them forward,
like the guy's next to you and he's being chased,
is grab him by the arm and throw them forward.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
Can you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yes, yeah you can. And that's what that's what you know.
I talked to Stephen Jones, you know, the the son
of Jerry Jones, coiner the Cowboys, and he said, he goes,
he goes. I wasn't even looking at it. And his vote,
his team voted to ban it, but he goes what
he said today, I wasn't even looking at it as
the tush push. I was looking at the pulling and
pushing and all over the field, you know. And uh
(17:46):
and twenty two of us felt like that should be
taken out, but ten others felt like, no, it's good,
keep it. Uh and and and and that's why they
have governance. That's why they they don't have a majority role.
They they have a a a high hurdle to clear.
Whenever anything gets changes, it gets changed. And this was
one of those situations where the majority did not prevail.
(18:09):
So so it's kind of an interesting day when you
think about it, and you think about how many people
actually did vote to take this play out. But yes, uh, Fred,
you could do that. You can push and you can pull.
That's that was the whole thing. It wasn't just again,
it wasn't just a toush push. It was the It
was the actual pushing and pulling players and helping them along.
So now we're going to find out if there's going
(18:29):
to be these quick whistles that I think are going
to happen because now the referee, once the whistle blows,
there's nothing you can do. The play is dead. Period.
So we'll see how quickly. And they made it clear
today that that's what they want the referees UH to
do to minimize this.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
There's going to be controversy. All yeah, exactly, especially with Philadelphia.
There's gonna be they're gonna blow that quick whistle and
a heartbeat. Oh play is dead. Okay, we're gonna market
right here. It's going to happen. What else, Benny? What
else else was with topics of discussion at the at
the meeting?
Speaker 3 (19:04):
Well, you'll like this, they they we rarely get this.
There's a new award and it's called it literally called
the Protector of the Year Award, and it goes to
the top offensive lineman in the NFL UH and there's
going to be a big committee that that decides it. Uh.
Andrew Whitworth, our good friend from the RAMS, is one
of the committee that's gonna annually decide who the top
(19:26):
offensive lineman is. So that was that was voted on,
and also that was that was approved. And also U
now that the dynamic kickoff rule is in tax moving
forward kind of a permanent thing. They decided to tweak
the on site kick in the last year when they
when they introduced that dynamic kickoff and lined up everybody
weirdly and oddly compared to where it had been. They said, yet,
(19:50):
onside kicks are allowed, but number one you had to
declare it, and number two, it could only happen in
the fourth quarter. Well, the lead. Today you can onside
and kick it whenever you want, even if you're but
the only stipulation being number one, you do have to
declare it, and number two you have to be trailing
in the game. But you can now onside kick it
(20:12):
in the first quarter if you if you're down by
fourteen points or so and you want to quickly get
back in or try to get back in as quickly
as possible, you're not allowed to onside kicks.
Speaker 2 (20:21):
But you can't. You can't surprise somebody like the Saints
did in a Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Exactly. I know, that's exactly what I was thinking about, Rodney.
You still can't surprise people. But what they're going to
do is they're gonna they're gonna move the ball back
to the thirty five to the thirty four yard line
where they actually kick it. The players get to line
up at the thirty five yard line, so a yard ahead,
which which the league feels will allow them to maybe
(20:48):
make this play or convert this play. It fell a
six percent last year. That was a success rate, which is,
you know, really bad. So they want to increase the
six percent. So they feel like by lyne the players
up a certain way, uh, they're going to give them
a better chance to convert that play. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I understand it's all about safety, but the beauty to
the onside kick is you catch somebody by surprise.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, that's the excitement surrounding the play. So I mean,
you're you're basically announcing we're gonna kick it, and we're
gonna kick it right there. Great, everybody got it? Any questions,
I'm gonna line up here, I'm gonna kick it there.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Let's go.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Let me throw let me throw something out at you.
That has been talked about, but you know obviously that
this change didn't occur. But one thing that they were
thinking about with to replace the on side kick because
for that reason, like it's it's number one, it's hard
to do now, especially where the way it's lined up
and all that, and the surprise factors take it out
(21:49):
because you had to declare it. The one thing they
were thinking about was if you're behind uh in the
fourth quarter and you know, you in lieu of an
on side kick, what they would what they would allow
you to do is get the ball like a your
twenty five yard line, your on twenty five yard line,
and I think it's a stay. It would be at
first it would be a fourth and fifteen situation, so
(22:09):
you have to make the first down in fifteen yards
or the other team gets the ball at the twenty
five yard line, which I don't know. You know, at
some point, I'm wondering if maybe that's the way to go,
because at leases a football play and at least it
gives coaches Rodney, you know this, your offensive coordinator is
going to cook up some fifteen yarders out there, you know,
the play specifically designed to make up that first down
(22:31):
on the on you know, on a fourth and fifteen.
So I don't know, maybe that's the way that this
needs to They've talked about it. It hasn't gone anywhere
necessarily just yet. But I wonder if because I think
they're going to find out that the success rate is
not going to be as good it's it's still going
to be bad because.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Of the success rate of the outside kick is terrible.
The I mean, I agree with you. I'd much rather
see them okay, fourth and fifteen from the twenty five
yard line than than what they're doing now and declaring, Okay,
I'm going to on side kick it to the left,
and you guys gotta come on. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous, Finny,
(23:08):
it really would be.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
What do you think is what do you think the
success rate would be on that on that.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I think it would be better than the on side kick.
I think it would be better. Now, I don't know what. Yeah,
so yeah, yeah, give me fourth and fifteen. If I'm
down and I got I'm desperate and I got to
win the game. And I'm gonna take the fourth and
fifteen from my twenty five to design a play that's
going to give me a first down as opposed to
(23:34):
trying to kick an onside kick. Well, I got to
tell them why.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I'm kicking it, agreed. And I think coaches love that
because you know, they love the scheme stuff up and
it's hard to steam up an on side kick now
compared to a great you know, fifteen yard place. So
I'll with you, and maybe that's how there you go
about it.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
The USFL does that, I mean the UFL fourth and fifteen, Yeah,
and it's uh, I think of fifteen percent success rate.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Well, you know that's better than six percent. Number one
and number two would imagine with better. I mean, we
know that quarterbacks in the NFL are much better, nothing
against our friends in the UFL UFL, but the players
are just better. Now. You could make the argument that
the defensive players are better too, but I would think
with the with the level of quarterback that you have
(24:22):
in the NFL, that would go up. I would say,
that would be my guest.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
All right, Yeah, Bennie, thanks for the checking from the
sun Capital of the World, Minneapolis.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
I have a good way to you guys.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
So last night got a little hectic, in a little tense,
but the Dodgers figured out a way to end that
losing streak. We'll talk about that next.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Robbie Pete pretd Rogan on a hump day on Wednesday. Yes,
come on, let's go, Freddy.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
What'd you think last night watching the Dodgers. I mean,
I was the happiest guy in the world watching Yoshi Yamamoto.
He was spectacular. That was a top notch performance. Seven innings,
no hitter for a good portion of it. Dave left
him out there to throw I think one hundred and
twelve pitches. Let him go, let him do it, and
(25:20):
he did it. And when he walks off the field,
you're thinking to yourself, that performance right there, that's a
winning performance. That's a winning performance. And then of course
the home run to tie the game. So it was
like you could be the highest you could be and
(25:43):
suddenly come crashing down. That was really tough. Now, it's
good they came back to win. It's good they were
able to put together those runs in the tenth. It's
good Max Months he had a sacrifice to win it.
But still that was a tough one Rodney to watch.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah, I mean, imagine if you're Yamamoto, right, and we
gauge pictures on wins and losses, we gauge him on
e ra.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
And he's got a no hitter going into the seven
and and and then he's got one hit I believe
one hit that was against him before he leaves the
game after the seventh inning. In fact, got out of
a bind in the seven. And then you walk off
(26:40):
the mound going There's not many there's not many pitchers
in baseball that just did what I did. You know,
seven shutout innings, didn't loud, didn't allow a run, only
allowed one hit. This has got to be I got
to all around to celebrate this from and I gotta
(27:02):
win the game because at the end of the day
it's wins and losses too. So you leave and then uh,
an inning later, all of a sudden, the game is tied.
You're out of the mix in terms of getting a
decision in this game. After you pitch seven great innings,
(27:23):
you have no you have no record of this game.
It doesn't it just doesn't compute, it doesn't add up.
It's just not fair when you pitch the way he pits,
and all of a sudden they tie the game up,
and all of a sudden, now you're you have no decision,
you don't win the game, you don't lose the game,
you don't do anything after the performance that you gave.
(27:46):
It just is not fair for a picture like Yamamoto
who did what he did and in a situation where
the Dodgers lost four in a row and needed an
outstanding performance by a starting pitcher, and he gave it
to him when for the last month we've been talking
about we need our starting pitchers to give length, to
(28:09):
go deep into games and to give us a chance,
and he did exactly that, and yet he gets no decision,
doesn't get to win, goesn't get the loss. I bet
he would have said, give me the lost. God, dang,
give me the loss. No, he would not give give
(28:29):
me a loss. Don't give me a nothing, give me something.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
That probably not, but no, he would not have said that.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
But still, you don't give me anything. And they tie
it up, and then they go ahead and the diet
just come back and win. And the only thing we
know about the only thing that's going to be a
record for this Yamamoto outing is for us to talk
about it in the next few days. Otherwise nobody's going
to talk about because he didn't get a win, didn't
(29:00):
get anything, didn't he get anything. He went seven complete innings,
shutout innings and give up one hit. Is there's nothing
to show for it from his personal stats, there's nothing
to really show for it. Well it helps his era,
(29:20):
Well yeah, it helps his cra Okay, it helps his thera,
but it doesn't help his wins and loss. He should
have won day.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
He should have So tonight will be interesting as they
wrap it up. Dustin May will be on the mound. Now.
Dustin May started the season very well. You look at
him and said, oh god, he could.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
Be the ace here. He's back.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
He's back. He's not so back. He's back, not so
back because he has been he's missed the last couple
of outings. He's been hit the last couple of outings.
Do you think tonight is the night he turns in
a round row?
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I hope so. I think so. I think. I think
last night you said this start to show that could
this be a turning point? And I think it could.
I think it could. I think it could be one
of those moments where Yamamoto gave everybody some inspiration of
recognizing who the Dodgers are. And I think Dustin May
(30:20):
comes out trying to duplicate what Yamamoto did last night,
and hopefully he doesn't try too hard because he doesn't
have to. He's got the stuff to be able to
do that. But I think he has a good outing tonight. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
I hope you're right, because he has not been crisp,
he has not been sharp, no, and he needs to
turn it around tonight. I mean that sweeper he's been thrown,
has been missing, and he's been getting in trouble early.
That's another thing. You know, he has struggled out of
the gate the last couple of times. So tonight you
(30:56):
hope he goes out, he settles down and it's a
one two three first inning, or he moves through the
first inning with relative ease, even if somebody gets on.
But I don't think that he can continue to struggle
like that because what we are seeing with the Dodgers,
and Dave Roberts said it the other night, the problem
is you look up and you're down three nothing. You
(31:17):
haven't even started yet.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
Yeah, Well, getting off to a good start is key
for the Dodgers. You got to allow your you gotta
allow your power. You got to allow your guys to
put pressure on the other team. And you've got three
guys at the top of the lineup that are three MVPs,
and on top of that you got Will Smith and
Taascar Rnandez. So you've got to allow that top of
(31:42):
the lineup to put pressure on the other team. Because
when you don't, and you go out there and you
give up two runs three runs in the first inning,
then there's no pressure on the opposing pitcher none. So
it's imperative that they shut down the first inning. It
really is for Dustin May to have a good first inning,
(32:03):
and it'd be great if the Dogers got off to
a good start hitting wise. But they're facing Corvin Burns, right. Yeah,
he didn't look bad against him the last time he
pitched either. No, he's a bad boy, which is why
they went out and signed him. He has been there
and been that kind of guy for a number of years.
So he is in the upper echelon of pitchers in
(32:25):
Major League Baseball, not just the National League. He is
a very very good pitcher and I'd put him in.
You know, I don't know Fred, He's he's top five
to seven pitchers in the National League right now. Corbyn
Burns has been there and he's been consistent that way
(32:45):
for a number of years. Yeah, so it won't be
any uh and he's sha ain't no walk in the park, no.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
No, So tonight just got off to a good start.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
And that's the strength of the Diamondbacks is they're pitching.
You know him Gallon now, I mean they That's why
everybody believes they're going to be there in the d
because they've got great pitching. So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
On the topic of pitching, what are we going to
see Shoheo Tani? That's the question. Well, he is progressing
in his throwing program. That's good news. And now we
do you want to see him tomorrow? But now he's
throwing breaking balls from flat ground, which is good news.
What do you want to see him yesterday? That's what
I want to see him. He I think it's still
(33:34):
All Star break after the All Star break, best case,
and really as long as anybody can pitch besides him,
let them pitch until it's absolutely notice as.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
What I'm saying, do you want to see him. Do
you want to see him because there's a necessity to
see him, or do you want to see him as
a luxury and they trot him out here, you know,
not every fifth fifth start or fifth or whatever. It's like, oh,
you know Showy is gonna go. It's you know, he's
(34:05):
gonna take the start from somebody else and he's gonna start,
or do you want him? Say, God, we gotta have
you know, every every fourth start, we gotta get Showy's
got to be one of our guys because we need them.
We have nobody else. I'd rather than be the luxury. Fred.
And then once we get to September October, go, Okay,
(34:26):
you haven't seen him all year long, but now he's
ready to go, and he's gonna start Game two of
the World Series, or he's going to start Game two
of the NLCS. Yeah, I just want to see him.
And hearing everything you said, I just want to see
him because I want to see him because it's.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Selfish, because I think it'll be fun.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
I mean, it makes no sense, but you don't want
to see him out of necessity.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
No, I just want to see him because it's gonna
be fun. I'm not even I'm not even thinking about
the team's record.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
Now, you see what he can do, right, see what
he can What if he struggles his first three auties,
what are you gonna do? Do you pull him back?
Do you you say, well, let's just wait until next
year before we when we start him at the beginning
of the season with the full spring training, and we'll
start him in the beginning. Or do you say we're
(35:21):
just gonna keep trotting him out there in August September
and see if he's ready to go by the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
No, if he struggles when he goes in, he's done.
We'll see you next year. You don't have that luxury
if you're gonna put him in so late in the season,
you're gonna put him.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
You don't keep you don't keep, you don't keep dropping,
you don't keep trotting him out there in August September.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
No, if the game's no, if those games mean something,
you can't you can't let him work it out, then yeah,
because you don't have that luxury because every game is
too important at that point. So I just look at
it like this. If he goes in and he does it,
he stays. But to your point, if you put him
in August September and he's struggling more than one or
(36:00):
two games, then that's it.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
We'll get you next year.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
You don't have the ability to let him work through it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
In games that really matter, yeah, because you don't want to.
You definitely don't want it to affect his offense. He's too
valuable offensively for you to trot him out there and
he struggles on the mound. Because here's the thing, you
don't know even if he doesn't, if it's not in
(36:27):
an injury situation, if he struggles on the mound, you
don't know how that affects him at the plate, correct
right mentally, And so I think you treat it as
a luxury and a game that doesn't mean a whole lot. Yeah,
you put him otherwise you don't.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
All right, petro some money or next and we're back
to wrap this up.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
Come on, oh, bringing it all the way home, Roddy
Pete Fred Rogan on a Wednesday hump day. Come on,
get over the home.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
Hey, before we get out of here, do you see
Walker Buller going sane?
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Last night? I did, I did. I loved it though
I loved it because the umpire was completely invalidated your
statement Fred about the automated strike zone, because that's that
pitch was right down the middle, and I know the
catcher got up to throw the guy out at second base,
but man, that was center cut and Walker had every
(37:40):
every right to dispute that call. And the fact that
the umpire took it to the aggressive stage and started
pointing at him and walking towards him and pointing at him,
I think he was out of line. Yeah, sure, Walker
could have kept us cool a little bit more, but
I think when that umpire came and started pointing at him,
(38:00):
get back on the mount, get back on the mound,
and not allowing him to express like that, BoNT it
was right down the middle.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
It was down in the middle.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
It was against the metsaway, yes, And so the umpire
I thought was out of line and defensive and and
just really overreacted. And then he threw our core as well.
So I mean I liked it because we know Walker
from here and he is a fierce competitor. We didn't
(38:28):
we have not really we didn't really see that side
of Walker, but we knew how how how much of
a competitor. He was by him demanding to go warm
up at you know, at the end of the game
in the world serious said Dave, I'm going down to
the bullpen and I'll be ready to go, and they
put him in. It was like, I'm coming in. I'm
(38:51):
going down to the warm up and when you make
that change, you put me in the game, and I
will close this bad boy out. And he did and
I loved it. And he he pimped it when he
struck when he struck, uh, I forget who it was
out when he struck him out, and so we knew
he had that fire in him. But that was that
(39:13):
was the greedious by the umpire. I think it was
just poor by the umpire. And get it. You know,
it's supposed to argue balls and strikes, but come on,
that was ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It was right down the middle, Yes, I mean it
was right there the middle. Yes, belt high. You couldn't
miss the call.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Yeah, it was bad. And maybe you know because the
guy was running and the catcher was throwing the second
base at the time he got up, But still, you
can't miss a ball right down the middle.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Like now, I think he was just paying tribute to
to his boy angel Hernandez. That's probably what pour one
out for the home long he pours working by the way.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
He poured a little forty on the ground for a yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Okay money, Thank you, great job, terrific work. Gonna appreciate
it as well. And Rodney back at it tomorrow, right,
all
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