5/22 H3: Haiku; David Vassegh; Shaq vs Draymond

Vic the Brick haiku. David Vassegh dukes it out with Ben Maller. Shaq and Draymond Green debate about how todays Warriors would defend Shaq and the 2000's Lakers

Episode Transcript

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And we continue on Fred Rogan andBen mallerin today for Rodney on a five
seventy l A Sports two thirty.Davids is going to jump on the show.
Do you have a beef going onwith him? Well, I don't
have a beef with Veasse. Hehas a beef with me, Fred.
He fired the first salvo. Iwill I will address this later in the
hour. Fred, But David Veassemy boots on the ground. My guys,

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Fred tell me that I was givena cheap shot by vass A and
was what was the chief? Well, my guy Supermarcus Steve, who listens
to the overnight show, he informedme that Vassy took a shot at me
with petros last I think it waslast week and uh and out of nowhere,
about the time that I'm on theradio when everyone's sleeping. So I

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had to then fire back at fassA. And I had to settle the
score because if you fire the firstshot, Fred, I will come back
with all of my missiles, allof them, all of them. Fred,
Ben, What and what possibly couldhe have said? What? What?
You know? What's interesting to me? What's that he's get a little

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too big for his breeches, Bess. Why is he taking shots at you?
What did you do to him?That's what I'm saying, right,
I've known I knew him, Besswhen he was when he started out at
the station back in the day day. I've known him for like, way
too long. And I was hangingout with Otani and the Dodgers and and
all that. He's been doing thatfor years. But you know, Dodgers

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are the rock stars in town.They're they're the big fish and all that.
So yeah, well we'll have tobring Vascide. We'll have to bring
him back to Earth, Fred,and we will later this hour. I'll
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spared no expense for it for that. No, No, it's supposed to
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So anyway, we're giving that awaytomorrow, So be listening tomorrow.
Eligible, Fred, I'll listen tomorrow. I eligible to win. Can I
win? Yes, Ben, becausewe like you, you can win.
You can win. Get up,throw your whole day off, turn on

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the radio. I'll call the righttime, call the right time, don't
call the hotline, and good luckto you. We're rooting for you,
Ben tomorrow. I think I cando it, fred I think I can
get it done on my lucky day. I know you can't. Good luck.
All right, Let's have some spiritualityand with that we welcome on Victor

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Brick for the daily Hikup at twoand Victid Afternoon. He's pumped up for
his megan Nie Stallion's Hot Girl summaturand her duet with Cardi b last Night
in New York City. Glorilla alsoin the mix, Fred Rogan, you
know what I say, Saddle upand ride Stallion Ride, I love it,

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fred In for Rodney. He rulesovernights midnight hour until three am five
seventy La Sports Clipper Lover, BenMala King Flavor Yea, The Great Stock
Dinner Radio, Vic the Brick,Big Ben A pleasure to hear you.

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His overnights are dominated by Baby OliverO, Kevin Fagas Shirt Come on Now
and Fox Sports Radio on Fridays.Thank you. Vic Toto slows, DS
Toto slows Notchus. His musica envelopsus all in Sonic Bliss Ah Roddie Fossio.
He spends his overnights working on theHiku hits VTB Yeah, Rough Dodger

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Game last night, Fellas aberration obviously. Otani couple of hits manufactured a run
double stole third, while throw WillSmith an RBI double. This a solamente

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sunshine and the In the loss toArizona Loxi had a couple of hits.
Here's the upshot. The Dodgers arethirty three and eighteen and lead the Padres
by eight new coombs in the nOL West. I'm coveling Taala glass now
goes estance in the rubber game againstArizona Korean Heritage Night, Morago Casino Dodgers

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on deck at six with Tim Kate'sglass now first pitch at seven ish.
You can listen right here, amfive to seventy LA sports. What's till
tiny hitting like three p fifty sixor something leading the majors. Unbelievable.
Yeah, there's going to be nightslike this. When you know Pitcher was

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it fought well, shut us,shut you down. But he's he's a
decent picture on Zono. Yeah,you know what. He was good last
year. He struggled this year andhe had a good one last night.
In the playoffs. He played andI remember him having some big starts for
them in the playoff. He wasvery clutching the playoffs, but we got

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glass now going tonight. You guyswatched that Celtic Pacer game Classic Eastern Finals
Jalen Brown, he had an unconscioustray descended into ot with like six seconds
left. You Siakam was living inhis jock. Indiana did a good job

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of booting that thing away the lastminute and a half. They're Vic,
I'm gonna give you my call.A'll take on that, blowing it for
in the end of Chaker done atough to live in somebody's jock. Take
down Rick Carlisle right now before Iget the call out, how about some
love for Drew Holiday. Fabulous game. He threw the he threw the past

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the Brown, sensational pass to Brownfor the that crazy shot that sent it
to ot with you know with Tatumtook over. But twenty eight points,
seven boards, eight assists, threesteals for Holiday at the u c l
A. Campbell Hall. How didthe Lakers and Clippers miss on him?

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He was a high draft pick thatneither of them had at the time.
Vic, That's how it works,well, listen, you can always train.
He had a sensational game, butRick Carlisle this was an egregious coaching
blunder. You're up three, don'tyou don't you just foul the inbounds play

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somehow? Hey, Vic, howabout how about Siakam had his hands behind
his back playing defense? How aboutthat? How about fouling someone when you're
up three and his lesson ten inten seconds left in the game. Shouldn't
that be like a common practice ofhead coaches? And yet yeah, here's

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Rick carl I'll you know, notnot calling the time out or not not
fouling someone when you're up three andten seconds are left in the game.
I mean that to me, It'ssuch elementary coaching. But it continues on
in the association malpractice, malpractice.You hate him, you hate him,
Vic, I have no love forricll Aile, but still think doesn't hate

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anyone, though true, he hateshim. I had a confrontation with Carlile
Big Band when Lamar was frustrated toDallas Mavericks and carl didn't know how to
handle Lamar, And I told Carlout, Ricky, I just, you
know, show some love right nowfor Lamar. He's separated from the Lakers.

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He's a no man's land right now. He needs love. Yeah,
and then Carlisle said, well,is that some kind of zen thing,
some kind of zen thing, yourwisdom? He did not appreciate the words
of wisdom that you gave him.He didn't. He just walked away.
That's rude. He doesn't know whoyou are, Vic, You're Victor Brick.

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Well, listen, Carlile. He'sgot a good squad. I mean
in the they let one slip awayin Boston. That was that was a
that was a PACER's game, justto steal, no doubt. Sumo Day
ten from Tokyo, it's so wideopen with so many injuries on old Sato

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the Young rock Star is an eightand two with a couple other guys.
But the match of the day,take Yasu the Bear, my beloved bride.
You go sucker Mote and myself's favoritecomes back from injury, and you
know, the hair on his backis growing. They're rake his back before
the match with like a rake.What do you mean they're raking his back
with a rake? He has somuch back hair. He's grown his back

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here. He needs that back herefor his strength. It's what he needs
for his strength. He wrestles betterwhen his back hair is growing absolutely and
Takayasu upsets you know, culture's akeraless. I don't think I've ever seen
a sumo wrestler with hair on theirbody. Takayasu the Bear, That's why

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we called him the Bear. Stunningwin, just a stunning win. It
could be a tactical advantage. Fred. You know, you're in there wrestling
with somebody and they want to grabyour your sweaty back hair, and they're
like, and when they're doing that, you just push him out of the
ring. It's actually like that strategy. Is he like Samson, like,
you can't cut his hair because heloses his power. Someone's gonna sneak in

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overnight and shave his back at somepoint. Ben if he's ruined to sail
the in point, but he needshis hair when he gets out on the
dojo. It just seems to givehim, gives him strength, you know,
a La Sampson, you know,without Delilah, we'll talk about strength,

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we talk about the source, andwe talk about the haikup. Yes,
here we go. It's from TomPainting, Tom paintive writing teacher in
Rochester, New York. All right, and a Rochester, New York sidebar
Congratulations to my nephew, ever Everest. He just graduated from the University of
Rochester magna cum laude, which isover three point four and in my family,

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that's fits pretty that's that's incredibly high. So Everest, congratulations, Well,
congratulations to Everest. University of Rochester, upstate New York. What's their
mascot? Vic? The University ofRochester, do we know? I'm not
even sure if it's a very toughschool. Is it Isn't it Rochester or

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Rochester? I've always gone Rochester.Yeah, used to be the home of
Eastman Kodak back in the day.Yeah, that's the flower city, right,
Rochester, New York or Rochester orRochester? Now maybe it is Rochester
because their mascot is Rocky the yellowjacket. I thought it was a giant
rock. It's a bee yellow jacketbee. Oh interesting. Well, this

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high code for you from Tom Paintingfrom Rochester on this Wednesday made the twenty
second full moon just rising. Werecount the best plays on the drive home
listening to a five seventy LA sportsI'm feeling you, Tom Painting. Tom

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Painting did not write that I enhanceda little bit. Well, I'd say
more than a little bit. Idon't even think you needed to say Tom
Painting. Why didn't you just sayyou, well, it's Tom's haiku.
Well, I don't know. Itsounds like you came up with that yourself
and you're giving him credit, andI don't know, collaborative. It was

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a collaborative effort. Fred. Okay, so Tom Painting doesn't even exist.
But congratulations to effort, which wasvery important to point out. Yeah,
you can grat props to everything.Vic. As you know, Fred,
rather, VIC is the original AI, right back in the old days.
Right, Vic, you've been AIfor a long time. Vic, you
you have that in your head.I was ahead of the movement, that's

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right, right. It's such awild movement. Do you embrace the movement?
What do you do with AI?You know people are wondering AI,
man, what's going on? That'syour statement? Yes, what's going on
with AI? That that was yourstatements. That's my statement. That's like
the start of a side field standard. What's the deal with AI? Embrace

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it? It's crazy, it's kooky. All right? Thanks? Vic,
A feeling you guys. All right, let's get this beef. Let's get
this beef. On the table andfigure out what's going on between Ben Maller
and David vasse Next. Ben Melleringtoday for Rodney, let's get out to

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the stadium David Vassa or perhaps he'son his way getting ready for the game
against the Diamondbacks tonight. And Uh, I understand there's something we have to
air out here right at the topof this interview, Dave. Oh yeah,
what's that? Ben? Why don'tyou just take it well? Listen,
Assay, you attacked me, Hey, hey, hey, Ben,
how you doing you? You decidedto attack me the other day, and

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my guys supermarket Steve and other peoplepointed out you. You used mudsling lists
attacking my good name. So Ihad to carve you upsy. I had
to carve you on. I willnot allow you to go down the slide
breaking six rids. Yes, Iday bigger man. Yeah, we pointed
out Fred. You know, here'show we're gonna get back at me.

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Say, we're gonna, we're gonnaI'm gonna dress up like Bernie Brewer and
uh and he's gonna freak out fast. Say is what's gonna happen? But
I will not allow you to attackthe great overnight listener supermarket Steve. He
was, he was a guy thatheard it. But I had to carve
you offs and I will carve youup again if you do that. How
dare you? And why would myname even come up? With? Petro?

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What was that Tony Bobblehead night?And I told Petros that, you
know, all these rando media peoplelike yourself show up on those giveaway nights,
those premium giveaway nights that we don'tsee you for the better part of
the year. So I believe thatmooch Mallard was gonna show up no night.
No, I'm not allowed out thereanymore. The Dodgers don't want me
out there anymore. They I haveto like ask two weeks in advance to

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go out there after thirty years agoto the Dodger your show and uh traded
Steve whoever you listen to you?Apparently they don't like me. I guess
of all the ass kicking I've I'mlike Youves, I've kissed the ass of
the I don't know what happened.I guess I upset. Not really?
Yeah, yes, what are youtalking about? Other than in the playoffs
where they don't play well, andthen I'm I'm very angry at them.

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But other than that, I rememberseeing you for last year's Freddie Freeman bobblehead
giveaway, the hoodie sweatshirt giveaway.I remember seeing you those. Now,
oh yeah, I have it's allin my man cave. I have all
the Dodger giveaways for years, liketwenty five years. I have Dodger giveaways.
But you couldn't. You couldn't handlea smoke me, I say,
just like you can't handle a slide. I'm above you and your hamm and

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egged listeners. That's not what Ihear. That's not what I hear.
Listen, you're only listeners. Holycrap, I say, have you heard
that before? Holy crap? Allright, did we get this worked out?
Now? Yeah? I think wehad a night session right there.
Yeah, No, it's good.It's good though, because fred I used
to get covered up the first hourof my show because the Dodger games going

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seven hours every night. But nowsince they had that pitch clock, they
all end and I usually go onright when I'm supposed to go on.
So what are you supposed to goon? You're supposed to go on after
a highly rated show like Dodger Talkin no, no, I I have
one Indiana Pacers. No, theyactually turned they actually say, don told
me they turned the transmitter off beforeI come on. When you're doing Dodger

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Talk and I have to come Ihave to bring the audience back here on
A five seventy. Wanted to knowwhat we were listening, what we were
missing all those years. And thenI turn it on and you're just playing
grab ass with who's your who's yourupdate? Guy? You don't even know
who you don't even know who's on. You're such an elitist, fassay.
You're such a you don't even knowthe names. If Barry I'm back there,

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your show is beneath me. Yeah, I know. He's not Otani,
he's not Kershaw. You know,he's one of those guys. He's
not even Kevin Figures. But bythe way, did I hear I think
I heard you with Petros and money? Was it last week? When when
the Dodgers finding the y Every dayI try to tune you out when you're
off, But when I heard you, is it true that you are a

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tody of Blake Snell? Is thattrue? Tody? Ye? Yeah,
you know the two times Young Awardwinner two wrong. I'm risking my life,
bro, that guy. You're friendswith that guy? How dare you
be? I don't. I don'trecall what you're referring to. I recall
for your national audience. I recallI'm not playing unless I get mine.

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That was also a Blake Snell quote. I remember, Yeah, well,
yeah, that's a it's a businessman. How's that going for him with
the Giants? By the way,that I said, your buddy, well,
you're got far Han rushed him thefirst time, got it hurt.
He's your guy, he's not myguy. And then and then he struck
out ten OKC Dodgers a couple ofnights ago. So he's ready to go.
That's why the Giants are paying himto strike out. Okay, see

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Dodgers, that's why they're paying him. He'll be he'll be on another team
when the Giants are out at July. Hey, Ben, Yes, why
would you be called a mooch?I would be offended by that. If
I was you Schmeller for a longtime. Anything free, he automatically shows
up. I don't. Mooch isnot the word I would use. I

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would say opportunists would be the wordI would use, not mooch. But
I'm no longer than up there todaywith who was the serving lunch today?
Why is he there? Well,there were like eighteen people that know.
If I say what happens, eighteenpeople turned down the opportunity. So I
was number nineteen on the list,and Kevin called me up and said,
I'll do it. What the heckline is? What happened? Jonas Knox

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already did ten hours on the stationtoday. Yeah, Jonas is getting a
massage right now, so he's notavailable with his leather jacket. Oh all
right, Dave. So not agreat effort last time. Not a great
effort by the guys last night.Huh, Gavin Stone got walked around a

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little bit o Toddy. Well,game it's one game, Fred, I'll
stops one Diamondbacks. It's nine games. You won't hear that on the Ben
Mallor show. No, you willnot know. You will not fast.
But here's the thing. See,that's a bad take by you because there's
there's a person and went to thatgame last night. That might be the
only game they go to all year. That's a right, that's the performance

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a Dodger legend Jock Peterson hit athree run home run, so they got
the four teams ago for Jock Peterson. Come on, they saw a great
performance from show hey o'tani. Shestole two bases, and as he was
stealing his first base of the night, which happened to be third base in
the fourth inning, gabrielle Moreno,the Diamondbacks catcher, threw it into left

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field and Otani all on his own, carrying this Dodger team to their first
run of the game. By theway, did you guys know Otani is
on pace to be a forty toforty player, forty one home run,
forty one stolen bases. You know. Fred Vessey is turning into it.
He's so Dodger blue, He's turninginto a smurf. It's unbelievable. These

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are the golden days of Dodger baseball, unlike the Matt Luke Ben Malleny.
Yeah, that is true, andI did Dodger talk. They sucked,
but it was better veasted. Wegot more calls when they lost back in
those days. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's amazing, and that
is true. I did when Idid stuff in Boston, I did the
Red Sox post game. The samething happened in Boston when they would lose,

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the phones would let up. Whenthey won, nobody cared. It's
just human nature. Wild. Yougot nothing to that, Dave Way,
that take was uh, it wasit was it was. That was a
hot take. Yeah, that's thatwas a hot fact. That a fun

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fact. Yeah, all right,exactly, Dave. Let me ask you
this, if the Blue Jays makeif the if the Blue Jays make Bobushet
available, if that happens, doyou think the Dodgers would be in on
that. Yeah, I definitely would. There's been some buzz surrounding the Dodgers
having interest in bobus Ship going backto last November. He has two more

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years left of team control. TheBlue Jays do need outfields, and the
Dodgers have some young outfielders that theBlue Jays may have interest in. But
if you look at Bobaschetts season,fred, it's not been that good,
right, So the Blue Jays wouldbe selling low. They would just be
trying to sell surplus value on Baschett. Who Also, if you trade for

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Bobaschett, my understanding is his fatherDante comes with him. Where's my rim
shot? Oh? He was partof the Blake Street Come yeah, serious
insight right there. From what Iunderstand, Dante Bichett is a very overbearing
father when it comes to uh,Bob Baschette and his hitting hitting coaches.

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Well, Dante's not doing that wellthen as a hitting coach this year,
because I believe Bobachett's on paced atlike seven home runs or something like that.
He's not playing round. Yeah yeah, all right, Uh Dave,
you have to go now? Uhyeah, I do, Fred, Do
you have any other Where do youhave to go? What do you have
to do? Best? Where doyou have to go? I have to
go inside the clubhouse. Then I'llshow you where it is the next time

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you come home. They don't wantto say I'm not allowed out there,
say they don't want to see usthis players. That's true, but I
still have to go there. They'rethey're gonna hide from youss is what they're
gonna do. By the way,thanks Fred for promoting the last two days
of great Conversations with Clayton Kershawn andWalker Bueler. You can find it on
the iHeartRadio app after you listen toDodger Talk tonight around eleven o'clock. No,

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Dave, if you would have givenme a chance, I would have
done that. No, he justtook a shot at me. See that's
another shot that he took in me. That schmuck. I'll be attacking him
tonight at eleven o'clock right after DodgerTalk. I'll be burying all right,
goodbye, Dave. Go alright,guys, I love you Ben. You'll
say hi today. Roberts, welove you. I know when he was
a youngster, Fred, he wasthe youngster back in the day. Boy,

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he is cocky. Though he iscocky, isn't he is? He
gets all those howos on Dodger Talk. Man, He's like, hey,
it's all about me. It's allabout me, my man. All right,
when we come back, we've gotsomething pretty cool we're gonna play for
you. You got to hear thison a podcast Shack and Draymond Green.

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We'll have that for you next,all right, Big Ben Mallor sitting in
for Rodney today. And actually Bensent this to us earlier. He found
it and I was laughing so hard. I got caught off guard and came
back late on the air, sothat's audio. That's great audio. All

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right. So Shack has a podcast. It's called The Big Podcast. Draymond
Green was on the podcast, anduh, they were basically discussing. Draymond
was trying to explain how they wouldhave been able to stop Shack. So
let's just listen to it. ShacksLakers, get you a golden say worries
any of my championship team, anychampionship team who wins. And the bonuts

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question who guardened me? Please don'tsay Andrew. Okay, I don't think
any one player on our team couldhave guarded you. I do think there
were defensive schemes that we could havethrown at you to to affect you.
One is not letting you get theball. So we're gonna guard you with
a guy in front of you,the guy behind you. They did that.
Yeah. I wasn't on the courtthough, Oh right, So what

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you're gonna stand behind me? I'mstanding in the front. Ain't no ball
getting I'm not six feet with you, ain't seven feet. I got seven
seven three wings man and I gotnine four wings man. Yeah, but
you can't get the ball through me, Andrew Bogus behind stop. I'm in
the front stop. They're leaving somebodyover there to shoot because you couldn't shoot.
But however, Bog gonna be infire trouble. Now, who are

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your backup? Center? Me?Dreima stopped me? Dreimond shock. I
don't think I could have guarded you. I'm not saying that. However,
you would have had to bring youa big out of that drop. Man,
if you stay back there, I'mgonna nail whoever garden stuff. I'm
an nail whoever guard playing. We'regonna dot your eye every play. Okay,
but you know what's gonna happen afterthat. I'm gonna tell d Frisch
get up on him and let himdrive, and I'm gonna pay his look

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up. Hey man, we gottafight. What you gonna fight? Then?
Guess what? You're getting thrown outthe game and me getting thrown out
the game. Who's not gonna hurtworse? No, y'all lose, So
I guess we're not gonna fight?Then? Who got Kobe Clay? Yeah?
The visual fraid it's more of avision at the end. The look

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that Check took off his glasses andkind of gave like the death stare the
Draymond I just love Draymond trying tofigure out or announce how they were gonna
stop Shack. You know, I'mgonna guard you. That was not gonna
work in Shaq's prime. In Shack'sprime, the toughest call any NBA official
had in Shack's prime was determining whogot on the blocks first. Did Shack

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get there first or not, becauseif he got there first, the other
guy would file because there was nothingto do. I mean, there's no
way to stop him. He wasmassive, he was strong. Once he
got position, you're dead. AndI gotta tell you, I don't think
the uh, the Warriors would havebeen able to stop Shack in his prime.
Yeah. Well, there's a coupleof things about that that I love

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because Raymond Green, like all athletes, very arrogant, right, So he
was trying to but he's trying tobe diplomatic, but he didn't want to
lose the machismo at the same time, so he was trying to thread a
needle there, Draymond Green with Shack. And then the the other thing was
the Kobe versus Klay Thompson and reallythat whole thing. How many of these
teams today, Fred, if theyhad that Mamba mentality, like that approach

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to basketball, would be so muchbetter than they are. And even Golden
State when they were winning, theydidn't have that perspective in the in the
glory days of the Golden State Warswith Curry and Thompson and all those guys,
they didn't approach the game that way. They didn't they I don't think
anybody approaches the game that way now. Now some guys try to. They
pretend like they learned the Kobe way, but it's it's foe it's not.

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It's not based in at least Ihaven't seen it based in reality. No,
it's a it's a different mindset.Guys that play in the NBA today
come from a world of entitlement.They've always been considered stars since they were
very young, and it's it's tryingto be the coolest guy in school.
That's what it is. You know, in a game seven, when everything

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is on the line, sure everybody'sgonna step up. But I don't think
you find that just all out gofor it mentality in the league today.
I just don't think you do.No, you know, and the players
will argue they're a product, asyou said, of having there took his
kissed. But they've all guys.I guess the last one that didn't really
have that was what Michael Jordan.I was actually in North Carolina. I

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had visit family last was last orthe week before, and I went to
Jordan's high school because I'm a looseI was in Wilmington, North Carolina,
right, And he's fixed it upa lot. But you know that story
about Jordan be getting cut from hishigh school basketball team, Fred, It's
not really true. Everyone in thatera, no oh freshman made the varsity.
So he had no chance of makingthe varsity. But that now,

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if you're a talented freshman, you'reon the varsity right Right Back in those
days, you weren't. They justhad a rule you had to pay your
dues, you could not be onthe varsity. I just randomly popped in
my head about the mom in mentalityand how players are pampered and all that
today, and it's the same thingwith baseball pitchers are not. We talked
about that pictures are not expected togo more than two times through the lineup,

(29:26):
and all right, they could,and so they're they're groomed that way,
and then when you ask him todo something else, they look at
you like you're you're a drill sergeant. Isn't a part of the adult's fault
though, and are toggling these guyswhen they're young twelve eleven on the AAU
circuit and go with this coach andgo to that team, and go to
that team because I see something specialin you and you're gonna be so.
Yes, it's the kid's fault toa degree, but it's the adults or

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the ones who are coaching the kidsthat gives them the mentality. Now,
remember Kevin and Fred. Remember whenFred when Phil Jackson was running the Knicks
and he tried to avoid all AAUplayers. He only wanted the draft players
who like European players that hadn't beenthrough the AAU circuit, And they ended
up drafting like Frank Nikita, liketerrible, just terrible players. But they
didn't have AAU backgrounds. They didn'thave the good place. I get you're

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doing. You're damned. If youdo, you're damned. If you don't,
you really are well. I'll tellyou to me who symbolizes the ultimate
AAU player And I you just tellme D'Angelo Russell that attitude. Yeah,
good player, talented player, butis something off? There's something missing from
his game. Well, the thingthat's missing from his game is he's bigger

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than the game. It's all abouthim. Ben, thank you for going
the distance today. We really appreciateit. I appreciate it. Thanks for
having me for Let's do it againsooner than later next time. Rodney's away.
Would love that. Ronnie, thankyou, Kevin, thank you,
and we're back tomorrow. Patrow somemoney here next