May 22, 2025 • 35 mins
Ryan Kartje of the LA Times hops on to talk about the USC-Notre Dame rivalry that could be ending. Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie reportedly spoke for an hour at the owners meetings in attempt to keep the tush push legal (which worked)
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
We continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Peak on AM five
to seventy LA Sports. So now there has been some
question about what USC and Notre Dame's rivalry will look
like going forward.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We touched on it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Ryan Kartchy of the La Times covers USC football and
all sports there and we welcome to the show. Ryan,
thanks for being.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
All right, so you're sitting there. Rodney played at USC,
so he's very interested in this, Ryan. What you say
is going to impact him for the rest of the day.
Just understand that.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay, today, the rest of the week, maybe even the year. Ryan, Okay,
so this is big.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well what do you see happening here with this arrangement,
with this rivalry.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I think for the time being, we're going to see
a lot of staring each other down, waiting for the
other to blink. Beyond that, I think the main domino
to drop, at least in USC SYS is you know,
what's the future playoff format going to look like? You know,
behind the scenes of power conferences the big time in
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mascape especially are trying to you know, get for automatic
qualifiers based on conference record. You know, in that new format,
we don't really know where that conversation stands right now.
It is you know, some national reporters have reported that
that is kind of picking up and we you know,
might have an answer before too long. I think that's
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the first step. But for now, I think they're just
going to stare at each other and see if the
other blinks. Obviously, Notre Dame in fired the first missive
in the pr battle this past week, and it was
pretty successful, I would say, in terms of framing the
narrative against USC.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So so Ryan is it? Is it the way you
Notre Dame framed it right? It's USC is the one
that's hesitant to keep this robbery going.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Is that the case?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
And if that is the case, what are the reasons
for USC to kind of pull back a little bit
and say, maybe this not may not be a good
thing for us going forward, giving the climate of college football,
the playoffs, us being in the Big Ten, Notre Dame
being independent. What are the narratives behind what Notre Dame
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is clearing is claiming?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, and I think that narrative is half true. You know,
Notre Dame wants a long term deal in the rapper
Right now, we don't really know the reasons as to
why they're so insistent on that, but USC has said,
you know, we're we'll gladly go year by year with
this arrangement. We just want to make sure that we're
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not being punished, you know, for scheduling a big time,
you know, out of conference opponent like Notre Dame. Now,
that does give them the freedom just sort of jump
ship at any point, and I think Notre Dame doesn't
really love that idea that they can you know, they
would like to be able to count on that matchup
for a long time. But ye know, USC is pretty
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has been pretty adamant, least in conversations I've had that
they don't plan to budge on that until they get
more of an answer about the CFP format going forward.
So we don't know when that's going to happen, so
that that'll be the next step. But but yeah, at
this point, I think USC's biggest concern is, you know,
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they don't really see a reason to continue making their
non conference schedule harder when it's not really benefiting them
in the eyes of the playoff committee. But now I think,
you know, people can rightfully say that's cowardice. I think
to some degree, but at the same time, with the
landscape changing in college football, they you know, at a
certain point you might just have to make a business decision,
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and that's clearly what's happening. I think USC understands that
they're going to take some heat for that, but they
have settled on making the strategic decision and not the
one based in tradition and you know, the heart of
college football.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, because at the end of the day, you said
that business is business and it's a different world now,
and we understand the importance of the rivalry and how
many people loved it, but you know what, if it's
bad for business, Ryan, We're just not going to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah. Now, that said, a lot of other blue blood
teams are scheduling, you know, good Power Conference opponents in
the non conference, So I think you can poke some
holes in that argument. But that said is that is
the way they look at this situation going forward. And
you know, I think ultimately, like, can public pressure push
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us in a different direction, maybe, but at this point
they have suggested that they can't be pressured, at least
by Notre Dame's athletic director taking Pat Chaps.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Ryan, where do you see college football. If you like
had your crystal ball and you look five years, ten
years down the road, where do you see college football?
I mean, I know the playoff is an interesting situation,
but I'm more talking about the NIL and the transfer portal,
which to me, and I've said this before, it's a
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town without a sheriff right now.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
And it's scary to think, you.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Know what college football is gonna look like five years
from now, because if they don't get some sort and
I'm not one to regulate anything, I don't like that
at all, but there's got to be some sort of
governance around you know, these kids being able to just transfer,
first of all, without consequences, and get I get that,
and coaches do it, and that's the argument. Coaches can
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do it, what can't players do it? But NIL landscape
as well. Are we just going to see ten schools
from here on out just be your national champion in
every single year and it's going to revolve around those
ten schools.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I'm not sure I know what's gonna happen in five
months from now in college, let alone five years. So
much has changed in the past five years. It's almost
a completely unrecognizable governance and structure to the sport. But
that said, obviously a lot of that hinges on what
happens with the House settlement this summer, which would open
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the door for revenue sharing, and that is what all
schools are preparing for right now, you know, just being
able to distribute you know, over twenty million dollars of
revenue two players. That's going to completely change the landscape.
We don't even really know I think the ripple effects
of that, and I think we're already seeing situations in which,
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you know, athletes who may have benefited more from the
current you know, wide open nil situation are going to
be marginal a little bit. You know, big time softball
players or you know, uh, gymnastics athletes who you know
are at major football schools where they're spending all their
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money on football players. So there's a lot of uh,
you know, jockeying that still has to go on within
athletic department. So we don't really know where that's all
going to settle. And all that said, probably soon after
that the lawyers will come in and all of this
will fall apart, so where there's really no idea what's
going to happen after that, but I do think for
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a period at least, we will have this world in
which revenue sharing, as they're preparing for right now is
a real thing, and schools, you know, the the powers
that be will be trying to tamp down the influence
of nil collectives because that was, you know, a big
draw of this, But the collectors are still going to
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try to pay athletes one way or the other. So
I'm not sure to really end up being that much different. Again,
it's you know, it feels like a massive change, but
the you know, the speed at which this facade could
fall is I'm not sure how much this status quo
will change once that we actually get there.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Ryan Carchi's with us. Uh all right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
We talked about this yesterday, and we talked about UCLA
and their financial problems and they're in the whole and
awful lot of money. Now USC has they're a bit
more fluid, you might say, they have more resources to spend.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But what I'm trying to.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Figure around a smile, what I'm trying to figure out,
we got things that we're saying, Yeah, that's what I'm saying,
or at least people will spend it.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
What I'm trying to say, is this to compete in
the big ten? I think you need the resources of USC.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
More than u c l A. Because U c l
A is in the red.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Can a school like u c l A financially compete
with the USC right'.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's tough, especially now that we're entering into this world
of revenue sharing. You're talking about, you know, at this point,
a twenty million dollar expenditure that didn't exist before. So
you know, I think we are going to see schools
like that, you know, marginalized on the edges a little bit.
(09:23):
But also maybe those schools decide to bore money into
like I at what point does UCLA start pouring more
money into other sports if they realize that they can't
actually compete on that same level. Now, not saying that's
going to happen, but something like that could happen to
those schools in that situation. So USC is, you know,
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a little bit different of a situation. Now. That said,
the university itself is not in a great financial situation
and has not been for a while.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That said, they still don't seem to have much trouble
raising money to build athletics facilities. They're about to they'll
finish up at two hundred and twenty five million dollar
fundraising campaign that is gonna you know, see this two
hundred million dollar athletic facility, uh, you know, erected over
the course of the next year. So USC seems to
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be doing fine in terms of finding people to help
fund football, especially in the ways that they need to.
But again, the means in which they can do that
could change at any minute. And USC has then had
a little bit of trouble being nimble I guess in
those times in the past. Now they have different leadership now,
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but a lot of change is going to happen in
a very short amount of time. So it'll certainly be
up to USC's leadership UCLA's leadership to try to figure
out new ways to do things. And I think UCLA
in particular, they just need to find out new find
new ways to make money, whatever that means. And I think,
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you know, ultimately that means may mean selling your soul
a little bit in the way that people don't like,
but you want to compete in football, that's kind of
what you have to do.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, yeah, And speaking of that, on those lines of
selling a soul, that could you know, comes in many forms.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Are we going to.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Start seeing unfortunately some of the some of these sports,
these sports that are non revenue generating sports, Are we
going to see some of those get cut in the
near future?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Riot, I would not doubt that at all. Now I
can only speak to USC situation in particular, but I
haven't heard anything to suggest that that would happen at
USC in the near future. But I think their situation,
and I haven't been able to talk to Jen Cohen
about this is so interesting in that, like, you have
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a lot of great programs that are Olympic sports or
you know, non revenue sports like think about water polo
or the volleyball or you know those sports. Now are
they going to be able to Now those players can't
necessarily get money from a collective like they would have
before for doing brand deals because now that will just
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look like pay for play that doesn't work under the
House settlement. So they have to get actual legitimate companies
to sponsor them, which is a little bit more difficult,
and they're probably not going to send that much money
and revenue sharing on those teams because they have football,
they have women's basketball, they have men's basketball, so that
pool is pretty small in terms of money you can spend,
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whereas it was unlimited before. So everyone except for football,
really kind of finds themselves in kind of a weird spot.
And I'm not sure it'll be as advantageous as maybe
people immediately.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Think overall, how do you think USC as a program
fared in the Big Ten? Are they to be feared?
Were they okay? Are they middle a pack? How do
you think they fared overall? As you watch all the
sports there is a university in the Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Well, I think, well, let's start with football. I mean,
I think very quickly they realized how different it was
and how different the whole travel situation and ended up being.
And I think you see them lose all four of
their Big Ten road games, like that's pretty eye opening.
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And I think that has you know, you talk about
Notre Dame. That is something to do with that conversation
as well. Maybe they don't want to do that in
the middle of the season when they're going to a
bunch of other Big Ten sites. But you know they
USC has three Big Ten titles, like overall in all sports,
and I think, like travel wise, I heard less complaints
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about that than I expected funny enough, it was really
like football. They had the most complaints about it, and
that's the one that travels the least. So I think
that's just the nature of the football program. But now
I do think that USC has started to spend to
like a program that wants to be a legitimate Big
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Ten power. So and that's the first step, So investing
in the infrastructure of the program, getting a general manager
for football that you know is going to cost you
seven figures a year, like they have been throwing a
lot of money around, and that's kind of how you
have to do it in today's college football, especially in
the Big Ten. So I think stylistically there was certainly
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some adjusting, but like money wise, they're going to be
able to hang with those other top programs.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
What do you think basketball was.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
That is another interesting question, and I think like Eric
Musselman has done a good job, I think navigating what
was a pretty crappy situation this offseason. You know, coming
in and expecting that your two breakout guards are going
to join you next year to you know, really build
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on the end the end of the season that looked decent,
but you know, then you you end up losing those
guys to the transfer portal unexpectedly, you have to rebuild
the entire team. Again. It's a tough situation with USC
basketball always and I don't think it's ever going to
get maybe the investment you would need to put it
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over the top against programs like Purdue or Michigan State,
you know, big ten powers U C.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
L A.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
But that said, you know they have a big player,
you know, five star local prospect Elijah Arenas. Obviously he
had a car accident in which he's survived, but he'll
be back fully this summer, and I think he gives them,
you know, a pretty serious star to build around, and
that's kind of what you need to really succeed there.
(15:52):
So it'll be an interesting season for UC basketball, a
telling one for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
All Right, thanks for coming on, Ryan.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
We really appreciate it absolutely anytime.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
All Right.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Uh, there was a filibuster yesterday and it was not
in Congress, so we will discuss that. And let's not
lose sight of the fact that the Dodgers are headed
to New York to play the Mets. So those are
two of the best teams in baseball this weekend.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Okay, come on, it is a throwback Thursday, Rodney, Pete,
Fred Rogan, Come on, Freddy. We got a lot of
a lot of talk about some of my, uh.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
My old acquaintances.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Fred just had Ryan on from usc and and now
we're going to talk about somebody else today.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I am very familiar with who Jeffrey Lorie. There you go,
there you go, standing up, Come on, all right. So
I really had no idea yesterday when we talked about this.
Vinnie was on.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We talked about it Vinnie Bond signor the tush Porsche. Everything,
by the way, has to have a title. You ever
notice that everything's got a name?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
It does.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You've got to give everything a name. This is a
tush Porsche. Saying it sounds stupid to me, but that's
the name that we have given it.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
And what is it? You know what it is.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
It's the Eagles and their rugby play basically just shove
shove them over the goal line, touchdown. That's what it is.
And number of people in the league wanted that band
because in Rodney, you pointed this out yesterday. When you
look at that play, it's not just the goal line
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you're talking about. You can push a receiver, you can
actually grab a running back that's going down and move
them along. It's kind of like roller Derby where you're
whipping out the jammer if you remember the old roller
Derby is whip them just kind of toss guys around.
And a number of people in the league wanted that band.
(18:06):
They didn't want it. I thought it was unsafe. Also
thought the Eagles came up with something they couldn't replicate.
So they have the big meeting, and in the big meeting,
it fails, it fails to get banned. So it's still around.
But what's great is a guy, you know, Jeffrey Lorie,
the owner of the Eagles, was philibustering. Now to show you,
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he spoke for an hour an hour on why they
should not ban this one hour. How much could he
possibly have to say he was philibustering.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, I absolutely was. I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I think that it is not something that the Eagles
do and nobody else can do. Others have tried. We
saw Buffalo in the playoffs try to do it against
Kansas City and failed miserably. But there's nothing that says
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that any team, whether it be the Rams, Chargers, anybody else,
any team can can run this play and it's not
the Eagles fault that they can't do it to perfection.
I think it's even I think it's just utterly ridiculous
that this was even on the topics or the ballot
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for the rules committee and the end the owners to
decide if this was something that.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Should be banned or not. It's ridiculous to me.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
So you're gonna ban that, and then you gotta ban
something else, right, you gotta ban Oh my god, you're
you can't have a receiver that's taller than six' four
otherwise that's.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Illegal what come? On this is. Ridiculous this is. Ridiculous
if you can't.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Stop, it then that's on, You and if you can't duplicate,
it it's on you.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
TOO i know you feel very strongly about. This you
have very strong.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Feelings WHAT i didn't know is what happened at that,
meeting and normally that doesn't get, out but it got
to a, point it got to a point where they
did assume he was, filibustering AND i Think Jed york,
said how long are we gonna have to sit here
and listen to?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
This?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
S are you done? Yet how long is this going?
ON i, MEAN i think it because it came down
to a very close. Vote.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
THOUGH i think that's the reason why he was up
there filibustering because he knew it was gonna be closed
and a number of owners did not want this and
they wanted it to be, bad and he felt that
it's like making his case good for him as a,
player you love that in your owner to be up
there to, go, hey, Hey i'm a fight for.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
This i'm a fight for.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Us i'm a fight for what we do And i'm
not gonna let anybody take it away from. Us but,
YEAH i don't know if it could have should have
went on for AN i, mean how much could you.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Say that just being amitto submissions.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Like, fine no vote for, it shut.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Up that sounds like What Jeded york, did. Right he was,
like how long we got to listen to? This to
sit down and we'll let you keep doing the touch
push come on?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
PLEASE i mean didn't he didn't he Bring Jason kelcey up.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There kelsey talked to else was?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
There?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, Yeah and some people said because of what he,
said they voted for it because he said it's not unsafe.
There they're going to make whatever case they want to
make you, know if you're in, favor you'll call expert,
witnesses and if you're against you could call expert witnesses theirs.
Too but it was funny that this was the thing
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that sort of captured the essence of the. Meeting this
was the big. Moment are we going to allow that
play to? Continue with everything else in? Football that that's
the thing that captured the imagination of. Everybody rodney AND
i just found it a bit.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Weird, well you, know here's the.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Thing do you think If philadelphia doesn't win The Super
bowl this past year and there's been talking this the
touch push. Before don't get me, WRONG i know, That
but if they don't win The Super bowl and they
don't Dominate Kansas city the way they, did you.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Think this is even a topic at the owner's.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Meeting do you think this is really a big topic
or something That Jeffrey loriie feels compelled to filibuster for
an hour for if they don't win?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
No, no you Know, Buffalo and the curious thing is, That,
okay where Does buffalo stand on? This because they tried
to duplicate it and failed, Miserably So buffalo vote for?
It they certainly had to because they tried, it it didn't.
Work they don't got it down to a science like
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The Philadelphia eagles.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Do BUT i do have a list of the teams
that did vote against the. Proposal so these are the
teams that were in favor of keeping the toush push.
In there's ten, teams so The. Eagles, yeah so The
eagles are the obvious. Ones along with Them, baltimore The,
browns The, lions The, jaguars The, dolphins The, Patriots, Saints, Jets.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Titans there you.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Go what those are The those are the dissenting teams
that all who said you want to keep?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It, Wow and The Buffalo bills did not say keep.
It they did. Not that is that is.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Hypocritical that is so bad because they got stuffed By
Kansas city and couldn't do, it so they didn't vote for.
It they voted against. It that is absolutely, Cowardess.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Rodney is that a tough play to? Learn you? Played you?
Know is that a tough to?
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Execute and the ironic part about it is that the
push from the running backs behind the quarterback on the quarterback,
Sneak it's just a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Sneak let's just be, honest that's what it.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Is the push from behind is it's really not the
biggest factor in. This it's not you, Know Jason kelsey
will be in The hall Of, fame a tremendous center
want to go down and is one of the TOP
i think three to four centers in the game that's ever.
Played it was his skill set that really made it.
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Work the way he was able to create leverage and
get lower than the defensive lineman on the other, side
and then the two guards next to him were able
to do the same. Thing it's something that they obviously worked,
on perfected and now people want to take it, away.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
But it's basically it's just a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Sneak and then on top of, that you've got a
quarterback Like Jalen.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Hurts they don't run this with anybodybody.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Else if you don't run it with you know other
as we Saw Josh, allen who is six' six and
you know more, you, know lengthy and doesn't have the
ability to get as Low As jalen Hurts Because JALEN
hurts i think it's six Foot But jalen hurts also
leg press like seven, hundred pounds so. HIS legs, i
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mean he's notorious for his the strength and his legs and.
His squads so that Coupled With jason kelsey being a
tremendous center and getting.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The leverage allows that play.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
To work and obviously when He when, kelsey retired people
were wondering is going to have the, Same effect and
because they work on it and they teach It, in philadelphia.
It has but it's nothing more than a quarterback sneak
that everybody's on the same page with and they do
it better than, everybody else and it's it's it's a
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shame that that people are crying about a play that
another team perfected and you can't, do it so we're
going to complain and try to.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
BAN it i don't know if this is right, or
wrong but it was a, quarterback sneak just with a
little mustard.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
On it then why couldn't everybody practice this and?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Do it they do, They do, but AGAIN like, i
mentioned it's a skill set that comes from the center and.
The quarterback, you Know The jalen hurts has a lot
to do. With this there's an art To do it
doesn't seem, that way but there's an art to running
quarterback sneaks and how you get leverage and how do
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you get lower than the.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Defensive players.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And they do it better Than because i'm sure they
practice it more than.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Anybody else but it is.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
A weapon that, they use and now people are trying to,
ban IT which i think. IS weak i think it's
just weak that they're trying to ban. This play how
are you in? QUARTERBACK sneaks i.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
HATED them i.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
HATED them i hated them because a lot of things
happen on, quarterback sneaks believe it, or not that you
don't you people don't realize there's there's a lot, of
grabbing there's a lot of, cheap shots there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Unnecessary hits that you take as.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
A quarterback it seems, very simple but you technically you
can get hit from all types. Of angles, And uh
i've been grabbed in my private parts and the quarterback
sneak before.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Multiple times.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I've been speared by people that when you go and
do a quarterback sneak that they because you're you're in,
the mush like a, rugby mush and rugby scrumbing is
what they. CALL it, i guess so a lot of
it the defense players get away with a lot and
it's there time to hit the quarterback or to get
(28:00):
a shot on. The Quarterback so i've been hitting, My
ribs i've been. HIT everywhere I hate i hated the.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Quarterbacks neak and you, know what WATCHING, on tv you
can't see all. Of, that no you can't because you're
just in the middle of. All this so no one
even knows what happened to you. In there it looks
like you just, get down, go forward and you. Made,
it yeah no one analyzes you're.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Getting hit you're, Getting hit you're getting, you know you're,
getting punched you're. GETTING grabbed, i mean it's there's a
lot of things that happened underneath. That pile it.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
REALLY is i. HATED it i. HATED it i, was like,
oh man you're gonna call it quarterback, Sneak here.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
But unfortunately. It is, you know third, and one fourth
and one. Or less it is the most, efficient play
it's the most efficient play to run in. That situation
and when.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You ran those were you ever in a situation, where
okay we, got this what we're fourth and half, a
yard we'll go for it and you. Got stopped were
you ever stopped on. Quarterback, sneaks, uh, yeah yeah there's.
Been there there's a FEW times i did.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Get, stopped yeah where our center got beat and somebody anticipated.
The count the guy over the noseguard over the center
would anticipate and just push push the center back into
ME before i could even. Get started, so yeah there
are times if you've got a bad man that lines
(29:32):
up over, the center.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That was a recipe. For disaster and those.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Were TIMES that i, was like, oh man we gotta
run a quarterback sneak up against. This guy you know he's,
you know not a, big guy but not a, tall
guy but a. Big guy say he was like a
five ft ten but three pounds, you know where it
was difficult for your center who's sick three uh, you
(30:02):
know two hundred and eighty pounds to try to get.
Up under you couldn't, do it and that guy would blow.
It up, you're like we gotta run. SOMETHING else i didn't.
QUARTERBACK sneak i would go. INTO that i would go
into games AND if i knew that that's that. Was
there they had a they had a bad man that
was on, you know playing nose guard or playing in
the gap over. The center early in, THE wig, i said,
(30:24):
you know because you you, chart plays this is where
we're gonna run fourth, and one third, and two third and.
FIVE whatever i, Would say, oh no we're not running
quarterback sneak, this week not, against him not.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Against him or there.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Was somebody dirty on the other side that you didn't
want to be a part of because they would be
guys would grab you and, the growing they'd grab you in,
the hamstring they would, you know try to punch you in.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
THE ribs, i mean, it was.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It was it's a it's a dirty business down underneath
underneath that pile fred.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Dirty and you can never say. Anything right you can't.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Go to the, roundree no because they can't, see it just,
like you you know you just said on, you know,
watching it you can't tell what's going on. Under that
they can't, see it so they can't make a call
because they're not in it until the. Whistle, blows basically
they don't get up. In there so it's. It's crazy.
It's crazy it's not something, that's fun but it.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That, way okay we're back to uh put a button
on this right.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
After this, Oh, yeah ronnie that's how you end, this thing.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Little thing.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
From shaft he's a. Bad mother shut. Your mouth there
It Is, fred there It. Is freddy it Is what i'm.
TALKING about i did, Not, Either fred, Go, ahead freddy Right,
It Pete fred, rogan down It's, tits yeah nineteen.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Seventy Five saft, ritchard roundtree. My Man h so we're
only on for an.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Hour tomorrow, PLEASE please i know how upsetting this is. To,
everybody please we have. No choice we'd like to be
here for, three hours but we can't because we Have
the Dodgers and. Mets tomorrow, You Know east coast games,
start early, Big series, Fred, big now this this.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
IS big.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I agree during the, regular season, you know it is what.
It is but this will. Be interesting these are, those
tests those. Litmus tests where are you? Right Now the
dodgers are thirty, and TWENTY or i should Say the
mets are thirty. And Twenty the dodgers are thirty one,
and nineteen so basically they're they're, right there both. OF
them i think it'll be interesting to see how this, Weekend.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Goes rodney it'll be. Very Interesting, the mets, you know
start off then went on a little bit of, a skid.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
But it's extremely.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Talented team, you know, we often because we're, out here
we talk About the dodgers quite, a bit right and
And the dodgers lineup and it's they've got so much
talent and up and down, the lineup and but you
look At the mets, as well they've got some superstars on.
That team and obviously with the Acquisition Of, juan soto
who we talked about a little bit a couple of,
(33:28):
days ago is he living up to his seven hundred
and sixty five million. Dollar contract it still remains to.
Be seen it's still a lot of, season left but
certainly a talented team with Him And francisco Lindor And.
Pete alonzo they they have some tremendous talent on. That
team and, you, Know again dodgers beating them IN the nlcs,
(33:54):
Last year they've got a lot a lot to say About.
The dodgers and they're going to Play the, dodgers tough
as most teams do when they Face, the dodgers they
get up a little. Bit more there's a little there's
a little bit more and it's a little bit more
feeling to it when you Play. The dodgers and they're
gonna certainly be ready for him playing that. City feel
so it'll be a great series and hopefully The dollar
(34:19):
dodgers can can match.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Their, Intensity Well clayton kershaw goes, tomorrow night so now
we'll have a little better a little better feel of where.
He's At uh opening night wasn't good and now he's
going to go up Against. The mets so maybe he
was just saving things for. Tomorrow's game they want to
show anybody too much too soon what he's got in.
(34:42):
The tank he just saved.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It up they thrown him right into the fire to
go Face the mets on. The road with, that lineup
it's gonna be. Very difficult so, YOU know i, still think,
YOU know i know you say This is we're going
to see where. He is this will be a. Second
start first one was a, little rocky a. LITTLE shaky
i think it's gonna take a. LITTLE bit i think
(35:05):
maybe it takes three to four starts before he kind
of gets. Settled in but you're you're hoping that he
can give you five, six thread that he can get
out there and and give you, some length Which the
dodgers desperately need and don't get behind like they tend,
to do and this this season is get behind early
and they have to play catch up the rest of.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
The game so hopefully he can hold him down for a.
Little bit, All, right ronnie.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Thanks, for today. Great work really. Appreciate it kevin outstanding way.
To Go, and rodney we. Rushed up we get runny
for our one hour. Sprint tomorrow talk to, you, then
right don't
We continue on Fred Rogan Rodney Peak on AM five
to seventy LA Sports. So now there has been some
question about what USC and Notre Dame's rivalry will look
like going forward.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
We touched on it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Ryan Kartchy of the La Times covers USC football and
all sports there and we welcome to the show. Ryan,
thanks for being.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
All right, so you're sitting there. Rodney played at USC,
so he's very interested in this, Ryan. What you say
is going to impact him for the rest of the day.
Just understand that.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Okay, today, the rest of the week, maybe even the year. Ryan, Okay,
so this is big.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Well what do you see happening here with this arrangement,
with this rivalry.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I think for the time being, we're going to see
a lot of staring each other down, waiting for the
other to blink. Beyond that, I think the main domino
to drop, at least in USC SYS is you know,
what's the future playoff format going to look like? You know,
behind the scenes of power conferences the big time in
(01:16):
mascape especially are trying to you know, get for automatic
qualifiers based on conference record. You know, in that new format,
we don't really know where that conversation stands right now.
It is you know, some national reporters have reported that
that is kind of picking up and we you know,
might have an answer before too long. I think that's
(01:36):
the first step. But for now, I think they're just
going to stare at each other and see if the
other blinks. Obviously, Notre Dame in fired the first missive
in the pr battle this past week, and it was
pretty successful, I would say, in terms of framing the
narrative against USC.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
So so Ryan is it? Is it the way you
Notre Dame framed it right? It's USC is the one
that's hesitant to keep this robbery going.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Is that the case?
Speaker 4 (02:05):
And if that is the case, what are the reasons
for USC to kind of pull back a little bit
and say, maybe this not may not be a good
thing for us going forward, giving the climate of college football,
the playoffs, us being in the Big Ten, Notre Dame
being independent. What are the narratives behind what Notre Dame
(02:26):
is clearing is claiming?
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, and I think that narrative is half true. You know,
Notre Dame wants a long term deal in the rapper
Right now, we don't really know the reasons as to
why they're so insistent on that, but USC has said,
you know, we're we'll gladly go year by year with
this arrangement. We just want to make sure that we're
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not being punished, you know, for scheduling a big time,
you know, out of conference opponent like Notre Dame. Now,
that does give them the freedom just sort of jump
ship at any point, and I think Notre Dame doesn't
really love that idea that they can you know, they
would like to be able to count on that matchup
for a long time. But ye know, USC is pretty
(03:12):
has been pretty adamant, least in conversations I've had that
they don't plan to budge on that until they get
more of an answer about the CFP format going forward.
So we don't know when that's going to happen, so
that that'll be the next step. But but yeah, at
this point, I think USC's biggest concern is, you know,
(03:35):
they don't really see a reason to continue making their
non conference schedule harder when it's not really benefiting them
in the eyes of the playoff committee. But now I think,
you know, people can rightfully say that's cowardice. I think
to some degree, but at the same time, with the
landscape changing in college football, they you know, at a
certain point you might just have to make a business decision,
(03:56):
and that's clearly what's happening. I think USC understands that
they're going to take some heat for that, but they
have settled on making the strategic decision and not the
one based in tradition and you know, the heart of
college football.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, because at the end of the day, you said
that business is business and it's a different world now,
and we understand the importance of the rivalry and how
many people loved it, but you know what, if it's
bad for business, Ryan, We're just not going to do it.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
Yeah. Now, that said, a lot of other blue blood
teams are scheduling, you know, good Power Conference opponents in
the non conference, So I think you can poke some
holes in that argument. But that said is that is
the way they look at this situation going forward. And
you know, I think ultimately, like, can public pressure push
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us in a different direction, maybe, but at this point
they have suggested that they can't be pressured, at least
by Notre Dame's athletic director taking Pat Chaps.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Ryan, where do you see college football. If you like
had your crystal ball and you look five years, ten
years down the road, where do you see college football?
I mean, I know the playoff is an interesting situation,
but I'm more talking about the NIL and the transfer portal,
which to me, and I've said this before, it's a
(05:21):
town without a sheriff right now.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
And it's scary to think, you.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Know what college football is gonna look like five years
from now, because if they don't get some sort and
I'm not one to regulate anything, I don't like that
at all, but there's got to be some sort of
governance around you know, these kids being able to just transfer,
first of all, without consequences, and get I get that,
and coaches do it, and that's the argument. Coaches can
(05:46):
do it, what can't players do it? But NIL landscape
as well. Are we just going to see ten schools
from here on out just be your national champion in
every single year and it's going to revolve around those
ten schools.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I'm not sure I know what's gonna happen in five
months from now in college, let alone five years. So
much has changed in the past five years. It's almost
a completely unrecognizable governance and structure to the sport. But
that said, obviously a lot of that hinges on what
happens with the House settlement this summer, which would open
(06:28):
the door for revenue sharing, and that is what all
schools are preparing for right now, you know, just being
able to distribute you know, over twenty million dollars of
revenue two players. That's going to completely change the landscape.
We don't even really know I think the ripple effects
of that, and I think we're already seeing situations in which,
(06:51):
you know, athletes who may have benefited more from the
current you know, wide open nil situation are going to
be marginal a little bit. You know, big time softball
players or you know, uh, gymnastics athletes who you know
are at major football schools where they're spending all their
(07:12):
money on football players. So there's a lot of uh,
you know, jockeying that still has to go on within
athletic department. So we don't really know where that's all
going to settle. And all that said, probably soon after
that the lawyers will come in and all of this
will fall apart, so where there's really no idea what's
going to happen after that, but I do think for
(07:34):
a period at least, we will have this world in
which revenue sharing, as they're preparing for right now is
a real thing, and schools, you know, the the powers
that be will be trying to tamp down the influence
of nil collectives because that was, you know, a big
draw of this, But the collectors are still going to
(07:56):
try to pay athletes one way or the other. So
I'm not sure to really end up being that much different. Again,
it's you know, it feels like a massive change, but
the you know, the speed at which this facade could
fall is I'm not sure how much this status quo
will change once that we actually get there.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
Ryan Carchi's with us. Uh all right.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
We talked about this yesterday, and we talked about UCLA
and their financial problems and they're in the whole and
awful lot of money. Now USC has they're a bit
more fluid, you might say, they have more resources to spend.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
But what I'm trying to.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Figure around a smile, what I'm trying to figure out,
we got things that we're saying, Yeah, that's what I'm saying,
or at least people will spend it.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
What I'm trying to say, is this to compete in
the big ten? I think you need the resources of USC.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
More than u c l A. Because U c l
A is in the red.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Can a school like u c l A financially compete
with the USC right'.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
It's tough, especially now that we're entering into this world
of revenue sharing. You're talking about, you know, at this point,
a twenty million dollar expenditure that didn't exist before. So
you know, I think we are going to see schools
like that, you know, marginalized on the edges a little bit.
(09:23):
But also maybe those schools decide to bore money into
like I at what point does UCLA start pouring more
money into other sports if they realize that they can't
actually compete on that same level. Now, not saying that's
going to happen, but something like that could happen to
those schools in that situation. So USC is, you know,
(09:43):
a little bit different of a situation. Now. That said,
the university itself is not in a great financial situation
and has not been for a while.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
That said, they still don't seem to have much trouble
raising money to build athletics facilities. They're about to they'll
finish up at two hundred and twenty five million dollar
fundraising campaign that is gonna you know, see this two
hundred million dollar athletic facility, uh, you know, erected over
the course of the next year. So USC seems to
(10:14):
be doing fine in terms of finding people to help
fund football, especially in the ways that they need to.
But again, the means in which they can do that
could change at any minute. And USC has then had
a little bit of trouble being nimble I guess in
those times in the past. Now they have different leadership now,
(10:35):
but a lot of change is going to happen in
a very short amount of time. So it'll certainly be
up to USC's leadership UCLA's leadership to try to figure
out new ways to do things. And I think UCLA
in particular, they just need to find out new find
new ways to make money, whatever that means. And I think,
(10:57):
you know, ultimately that means may mean selling your soul
a little bit in the way that people don't like,
but you want to compete in football, that's kind of
what you have to do.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, yeah, And speaking of that, on those lines of
selling a soul, that could you know, comes in many forms.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Are we going to.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Start seeing unfortunately some of the some of these sports,
these sports that are non revenue generating sports, Are we
going to see some of those get cut in the
near future?
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Riot, I would not doubt that at all. Now I
can only speak to USC situation in particular, but I
haven't heard anything to suggest that that would happen at
USC in the near future. But I think their situation,
and I haven't been able to talk to Jen Cohen
about this is so interesting in that, like, you have
(11:47):
a lot of great programs that are Olympic sports or
you know, non revenue sports like think about water polo
or the volleyball or you know those sports. Now are
they going to be able to Now those players can't
necessarily get money from a collective like they would have
before for doing brand deals because now that will just
(12:09):
look like pay for play that doesn't work under the
House settlement. So they have to get actual legitimate companies
to sponsor them, which is a little bit more difficult,
and they're probably not going to send that much money
and revenue sharing on those teams because they have football,
they have women's basketball, they have men's basketball, so that
pool is pretty small in terms of money you can spend,
(12:30):
whereas it was unlimited before. So everyone except for football,
really kind of finds themselves in kind of a weird spot.
And I'm not sure it'll be as advantageous as maybe
people immediately.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Think overall, how do you think USC as a program
fared in the Big Ten? Are they to be feared?
Were they okay? Are they middle a pack? How do
you think they fared overall? As you watch all the
sports there is a university in the Big Ten.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Well, I think, well, let's start with football. I mean,
I think very quickly they realized how different it was
and how different the whole travel situation and ended up being.
And I think you see them lose all four of
their Big Ten road games, like that's pretty eye opening.
(13:21):
And I think that has you know, you talk about
Notre Dame. That is something to do with that conversation
as well. Maybe they don't want to do that in
the middle of the season when they're going to a
bunch of other Big Ten sites. But you know they
USC has three Big Ten titles, like overall in all sports,
and I think, like travel wise, I heard less complaints
(13:41):
about that than I expected funny enough, it was really
like football. They had the most complaints about it, and
that's the one that travels the least. So I think
that's just the nature of the football program. But now
I do think that USC has started to spend to
like a program that wants to be a legitimate Big
(14:04):
Ten power. So and that's the first step, So investing
in the infrastructure of the program, getting a general manager
for football that you know is going to cost you
seven figures a year, like they have been throwing a
lot of money around, and that's kind of how you
have to do it in today's college football, especially in
the Big Ten. So I think stylistically there was certainly
(14:27):
some adjusting, but like money wise, they're going to be
able to hang with those other top programs.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
What do you think basketball was.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
That is another interesting question, and I think like Eric
Musselman has done a good job, I think navigating what
was a pretty crappy situation this offseason. You know, coming
in and expecting that your two breakout guards are going
to join you next year to you know, really build
(14:59):
on the end the end of the season that looked decent,
but you know, then you you end up losing those
guys to the transfer portal unexpectedly, you have to rebuild
the entire team. Again. It's a tough situation with USC
basketball always and I don't think it's ever going to
get maybe the investment you would need to put it
(15:21):
over the top against programs like Purdue or Michigan State,
you know, big ten powers U C.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
L A.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
But that said, you know they have a big player,
you know, five star local prospect Elijah Arenas. Obviously he
had a car accident in which he's survived, but he'll
be back fully this summer, and I think he gives them,
you know, a pretty serious star to build around, and
that's kind of what you need to really succeed there.
(15:52):
So it'll be an interesting season for UC basketball, a
telling one for sure.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
All Right, thanks for coming on, Ryan.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
We really appreciate it absolutely anytime.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
All Right.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Uh, there was a filibuster yesterday and it was not
in Congress, so we will discuss that. And let's not
lose sight of the fact that the Dodgers are headed
to New York to play the Mets. So those are
two of the best teams in baseball this weekend.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Okay, come on, it is a throwback Thursday, Rodney, Pete,
Fred Rogan, Come on, Freddy. We got a lot of
a lot of talk about some of my, uh.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
My old acquaintances.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
Fred just had Ryan on from usc and and now
we're going to talk about somebody else today.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I am very familiar with who Jeffrey Lorie. There you go,
there you go, standing up, Come on, all right. So
I really had no idea yesterday when we talked about this.
Vinnie was on.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
We talked about it Vinnie Bond signor the tush Porsche. Everything,
by the way, has to have a title. You ever
notice that everything's got a name?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
It does.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You've got to give everything a name. This is a
tush Porsche. Saying it sounds stupid to me, but that's
the name that we have given it.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
And what is it? You know what it is.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
It's the Eagles and their rugby play basically just shove
shove them over the goal line, touchdown. That's what it is.
And number of people in the league wanted that band
because in Rodney, you pointed this out yesterday. When you
look at that play, it's not just the goal line
(17:44):
you're talking about. You can push a receiver, you can
actually grab a running back that's going down and move
them along. It's kind of like roller Derby where you're
whipping out the jammer if you remember the old roller
Derby is whip them just kind of toss guys around.
And a number of people in the league wanted that band.
(18:06):
They didn't want it. I thought it was unsafe. Also
thought the Eagles came up with something they couldn't replicate.
So they have the big meeting, and in the big meeting,
it fails, it fails to get banned. So it's still around.
But what's great is a guy, you know, Jeffrey Lorie,
the owner of the Eagles, was philibustering. Now to show you,
(18:29):
he spoke for an hour an hour on why they
should not ban this one hour. How much could he
possibly have to say he was philibustering.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Yeah, I absolutely was. I'll say this.
Speaker 4 (18:50):
I think that it is not something that the Eagles
do and nobody else can do. Others have tried. We
saw Buffalo in the playoffs try to do it against
Kansas City and failed miserably. But there's nothing that says
(19:12):
that any team, whether it be the Rams, Chargers, anybody else,
any team can can run this play and it's not
the Eagles fault that they can't do it to perfection.
I think it's even I think it's just utterly ridiculous
that this was even on the topics or the ballot
(19:35):
for the rules committee and the end the owners to
decide if this was something that.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Should be banned or not. It's ridiculous to me.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
So you're gonna ban that, and then you gotta ban
something else, right, you gotta ban Oh my god, you're
you can't have a receiver that's taller than six' four
otherwise that's.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Illegal what come? On this is. Ridiculous this is. Ridiculous
if you can't.
Speaker 4 (20:02):
Stop, it then that's on, You and if you can't duplicate,
it it's on you.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
TOO i know you feel very strongly about. This you
have very strong.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Feelings WHAT i didn't know is what happened at that,
meeting and normally that doesn't get, out but it got
to a, point it got to a point where they
did assume he was, filibustering AND i Think Jed york,
said how long are we gonna have to sit here
and listen to?
Speaker 4 (20:27):
This?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
S are you done? Yet how long is this going?
ON i, MEAN i think it because it came down
to a very close. Vote.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
THOUGH i think that's the reason why he was up
there filibustering because he knew it was gonna be closed
and a number of owners did not want this and
they wanted it to be, bad and he felt that
it's like making his case good for him as a,
player you love that in your owner to be up
there to, go, hey, Hey i'm a fight for.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
This i'm a fight for.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Us i'm a fight for what we do And i'm
not gonna let anybody take it away from. Us but,
YEAH i don't know if it could have should have
went on for AN i, mean how much could you.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Say that just being amitto submissions.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Like, fine no vote for, it shut.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
Up that sounds like What Jeded york, did. Right he was,
like how long we got to listen to? This to
sit down and we'll let you keep doing the touch
push come on?
Speaker 1 (21:20):
PLEASE i mean didn't he didn't he Bring Jason kelcey up.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
There kelsey talked to else was?
Speaker 4 (21:26):
There?
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Yeah, Yeah and some people said because of what he,
said they voted for it because he said it's not unsafe.
There they're going to make whatever case they want to
make you, know if you're in, favor you'll call expert,
witnesses and if you're against you could call expert witnesses theirs.
Too but it was funny that this was the thing
(21:49):
that sort of captured the essence of the. Meeting this
was the big. Moment are we going to allow that
play to? Continue with everything else in? Football that that's
the thing that captured the imagination of. Everybody rodney AND
i just found it a bit.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Weird, well you, know here's the.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Thing do you think If philadelphia doesn't win The Super
bowl this past year and there's been talking this the
touch push. Before don't get me, WRONG i know, That
but if they don't win The Super bowl and they
don't Dominate Kansas city the way they, did you.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Think this is even a topic at the owner's.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Meeting do you think this is really a big topic
or something That Jeffrey loriie feels compelled to filibuster for
an hour for if they don't win?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
It?
Speaker 4 (22:36):
No, no you Know, Buffalo and the curious thing is, That,
okay where Does buffalo stand on? This because they tried
to duplicate it and failed, Miserably So buffalo vote for?
It they certainly had to because they tried, it it didn't.
Work they don't got it down to a science like
(22:57):
The Philadelphia eagles.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Do BUT i do have a list of the teams
that did vote against the. Proposal so these are the
teams that were in favor of keeping the toush push.
In there's ten, teams so The. Eagles, yeah so The
eagles are the obvious. Ones along with Them, baltimore The,
browns The, lions The, jaguars The, dolphins The, Patriots, Saints, Jets.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Titans there you.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
Go what those are The those are the dissenting teams
that all who said you want to keep?
Speaker 2 (23:34):
It, Wow and The Buffalo bills did not say keep.
It they did. Not that is that is.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Hypocritical that is so bad because they got stuffed By
Kansas city and couldn't do, it so they didn't vote for.
It they voted against. It that is absolutely, Cowardess.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Rodney is that a tough play to? Learn you? Played you?
Know is that a tough to?
Speaker 4 (23:58):
Execute and the ironic part about it is that the
push from the running backs behind the quarterback on the quarterback,
Sneak it's just a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Sneak let's just be, honest that's what it.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Is the push from behind is it's really not the
biggest factor in. This it's not you, Know Jason kelsey
will be in The hall Of, fame a tremendous center
want to go down and is one of the TOP
i think three to four centers in the game that's ever.
Played it was his skill set that really made it.
(24:34):
Work the way he was able to create leverage and
get lower than the defensive lineman on the other, side
and then the two guards next to him were able
to do the same. Thing it's something that they obviously worked,
on perfected and now people want to take it, away.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
But it's basically it's just a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Sneak and then on top of, that you've got a
quarterback Like Jalen.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
Hurts they don't run this with anybodybody.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Else if you don't run it with you know other
as we Saw Josh, allen who is six' six and
you know more, you, know lengthy and doesn't have the
ability to get as Low As jalen Hurts Because JALEN
hurts i think it's six Foot But jalen hurts also
leg press like seven, hundred pounds so. HIS legs, i
(25:21):
mean he's notorious for his the strength and his legs and.
His squads so that Coupled With jason kelsey being a
tremendous center and getting.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
The leverage allows that play.
Speaker 4 (25:33):
To work and obviously when He when, kelsey retired people
were wondering is going to have the, Same effect and
because they work on it and they teach It, in philadelphia.
It has but it's nothing more than a quarterback sneak
that everybody's on the same page with and they do
it better than, everybody else and it's it's it's a
(25:58):
shame that that people are crying about a play that
another team perfected and you can't, do it so we're
going to complain and try to.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
BAN it i don't know if this is right, or
wrong but it was a, quarterback sneak just with a
little mustard.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
On it then why couldn't everybody practice this and?
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Do it they do, They do, but AGAIN like, i
mentioned it's a skill set that comes from the center and.
The quarterback, you Know The jalen hurts has a lot
to do. With this there's an art To do it
doesn't seem, that way but there's an art to running
quarterback sneaks and how you get leverage and how do
(26:37):
you get lower than the.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
Defensive players.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And they do it better Than because i'm sure they
practice it more than.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Anybody else but it is.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
A weapon that, they use and now people are trying to,
ban IT which i think. IS weak i think it's
just weak that they're trying to ban. This play how
are you in? QUARTERBACK sneaks i.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
HATED them i.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
HATED them i hated them because a lot of things
happen on, quarterback sneaks believe it, or not that you
don't you people don't realize there's there's a lot, of
grabbing there's a lot of, cheap shots there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Unnecessary hits that you take as.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
A quarterback it seems, very simple but you technically you
can get hit from all types. Of angles, And uh
i've been grabbed in my private parts and the quarterback
sneak before.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Multiple times.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
I've been speared by people that when you go and
do a quarterback sneak that they because you're you're in,
the mush like a, rugby mush and rugby scrumbing is
what they. CALL it, i guess so a lot of
it the defense players get away with a lot and
it's there time to hit the quarterback or to get
(28:00):
a shot on. The Quarterback so i've been hitting, My
ribs i've been. HIT everywhere I hate i hated the.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Quarterbacks neak and you, know what WATCHING, on tv you
can't see all. Of, that no you can't because you're
just in the middle of. All this so no one
even knows what happened to you. In there it looks
like you just, get down, go forward and you. Made,
it yeah no one analyzes you're.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Getting hit you're, Getting hit you're getting, you know you're,
getting punched you're. GETTING grabbed, i mean it's there's a
lot of things that happened underneath. That pile it.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
REALLY is i. HATED it i. HATED it i, was like,
oh man you're gonna call it quarterback, Sneak here.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
But unfortunately. It is, you know third, and one fourth
and one. Or less it is the most, efficient play
it's the most efficient play to run in. That situation
and when.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
You ran those were you ever in a situation, where
okay we, got this what we're fourth and half, a
yard we'll go for it and you. Got stopped were
you ever stopped on. Quarterback, sneaks, uh, yeah yeah there's.
Been there there's a FEW times i did.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Get, stopped yeah where our center got beat and somebody anticipated.
The count the guy over the noseguard over the center
would anticipate and just push push the center back into
ME before i could even. Get started, so yeah there
are times if you've got a bad man that lines
(29:32):
up over, the center.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
That was a recipe. For disaster and those.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Were TIMES that i, was like, oh man we gotta
run a quarterback sneak up against. This guy you know he's,
you know not a, big guy but not a, tall
guy but a. Big guy say he was like a
five ft ten but three pounds, you know where it
was difficult for your center who's sick three uh, you
(30:02):
know two hundred and eighty pounds to try to get.
Up under you couldn't, do it and that guy would blow.
It up, you're like we gotta run. SOMETHING else i didn't.
QUARTERBACK sneak i would go. INTO that i would go
into games AND if i knew that that's that. Was
there they had a they had a bad man that
was on, you know playing nose guard or playing in
the gap over. The center early in, THE wig, i said,
(30:24):
you know because you you, chart plays this is where
we're gonna run fourth, and one third, and two third and.
FIVE whatever i, Would say, oh no we're not running
quarterback sneak, this week not, against him not.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Against him or there.
Speaker 4 (30:38):
Was somebody dirty on the other side that you didn't
want to be a part of because they would be
guys would grab you and, the growing they'd grab you in,
the hamstring they would, you know try to punch you in.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
THE ribs, i mean, it was.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
It was it's a it's a dirty business down underneath
underneath that pile fred.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
Dirty and you can never say. Anything right you can't.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
Go to the, roundree no because they can't, see it just,
like you you know you just said on, you know,
watching it you can't tell what's going on. Under that
they can't, see it so they can't make a call
because they're not in it until the. Whistle, blows basically
they don't get up. In there so it's. It's crazy.
It's crazy it's not something, that's fun but it.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That, way okay we're back to uh put a button
on this right.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
After this, Oh, yeah ronnie that's how you end, this thing.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Little thing.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
From shaft he's a. Bad mother shut. Your mouth there
It Is, fred there It. Is freddy it Is what i'm.
TALKING about i did, Not, Either fred, Go, ahead freddy Right,
It Pete fred, rogan down It's, tits yeah nineteen.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
Seventy Five saft, ritchard roundtree. My Man h so we're
only on for an.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Hour tomorrow, PLEASE please i know how upsetting this is. To,
everybody please we have. No choice we'd like to be
here for, three hours but we can't because we Have
the Dodgers and. Mets tomorrow, You Know east coast games,
start early, Big series, Fred, big now this this.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
IS big.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I agree during the, regular season, you know it is what.
It is but this will. Be interesting these are, those
tests those. Litmus tests where are you? Right Now the
dodgers are thirty, and TWENTY or i should Say the
mets are thirty. And Twenty the dodgers are thirty one,
and nineteen so basically they're they're, right there both. OF
them i think it'll be interesting to see how this, Weekend.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Goes rodney it'll be. Very Interesting, the mets, you know
start off then went on a little bit of, a skid.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
But it's extremely.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
Talented team, you know, we often because we're, out here
we talk About the dodgers quite, a bit right and
And the dodgers lineup and it's they've got so much
talent and up and down, the lineup and but you
look At the mets, as well they've got some superstars on.
That team and obviously with the Acquisition Of, juan soto
who we talked about a little bit a couple of,
(33:28):
days ago is he living up to his seven hundred
and sixty five million. Dollar contract it still remains to.
Be seen it's still a lot of, season left but
certainly a talented team with Him And francisco Lindor And.
Pete alonzo they they have some tremendous talent on. That
team and, you, Know again dodgers beating them IN the nlcs,
(33:54):
Last year they've got a lot a lot to say About.
The dodgers and they're going to Play the, dodgers tough
as most teams do when they Face, the dodgers they
get up a little. Bit more there's a little there's
a little bit more and it's a little bit more
feeling to it when you Play. The dodgers and they're
gonna certainly be ready for him playing that. City feel
so it'll be a great series and hopefully The dollar
(34:19):
dodgers can can match.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Their, Intensity Well clayton kershaw goes, tomorrow night so now
we'll have a little better a little better feel of where.
He's At uh opening night wasn't good and now he's
going to go up Against. The mets so maybe he
was just saving things for. Tomorrow's game they want to
show anybody too much too soon what he's got in.
(34:42):
The tank he just saved.
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It up they thrown him right into the fire to
go Face the mets on. The road with, that lineup
it's gonna be. Very difficult so, YOU know i, still think,
YOU know i know you say This is we're going
to see where. He is this will be a. Second
start first one was a, little rocky a. LITTLE shaky
i think it's gonna take a. LITTLE bit i think
(35:05):
maybe it takes three to four starts before he kind
of gets. Settled in but you're you're hoping that he
can give you five, six thread that he can get
out there and and give you, some length Which the
dodgers desperately need and don't get behind like they tend,
to do and this this season is get behind early
and they have to play catch up the rest of.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
The game so hopefully he can hold him down for a.
Little bit, All, right ronnie.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Thanks, for today. Great work really. Appreciate it kevin outstanding way.
To Go, and rodney we. Rushed up we get runny
for our one hour. Sprint tomorrow talk to, you, then
right don't
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