Do the Yankees view this upcoming series vs the Dodgers as 'revenge' from the World Series? We talk about Tanner Scott refusing to speak to the media after Wednesdays loss to Cleveland. Lebron will likely pick up his option for next season - but what will the Lakers do when he is an unrestriced free agent in the summer of 2026?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, here we go, Fred Rogan and Rodney Pete
on a five to seventy LA Sports Big three hour show. Today,
Dodgers are off. They have returned from Cleveland after that
disaster yesterday in the eighth inning. They'll get ready to
take on the Yankees tomorrow night. And Rodney, good afternoon
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Oh, good afternoon, Fred, good afternoon. Yes, it was disaster
yesterday for the Dodgers, losing that game and having that
blow up in the eighth inning. But I am looking
forward to the Yankees coming to town. Who do you
think is more looking forward to it, Fred, the Yankees
or the Dodgers. And then on the fan base side,
who do you think is more looking forward to this series?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I can answer them both. Yes, the Yankees. They know
why would you say Yankee fans are more looking forward
to it, Because they've got to score, to settle, they
got to get even.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
They're gonna show you.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
But here's the funny part of that, and you know,
we'll talk about this more later in the show, But
here's a funny part of that. Oh, they're gonna show you.
What are you gonna show us? Well, what are you
gonna show? What are you gonna prove you already lost
last year. This means nothing. It's great for you. Maybe
you win, maybe you lose, but again, the only thing
that matters is October.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So we're gonna have our revenge. Have it. Have all the.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Revenge you want. Doesn't mean a damn thing because the
only thing that mattered you lost him, and that was
the World Series. You don't get to do it again.
You don't get to come back this year and go Okay,
to listen, you beat us last year and we looked
awfully bad. So we're gonna get you real good now, Okay,
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good for you.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It doesn't change the outcome of anything. It's a new
year and a new team. I think if you're a
Yankee fan, you're sitting there thinking, all right, they're gonna
get it. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna show you. You're showing
us nothing because it doesn't matter yet. So I think
it means more for Yankee fans quite frankly, and the
Yankees than the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Rodney, Yeah, no, I would agree. I would agree, and
they will look at it that way too. Right, If
the Yankees come in there and play well and they
beat the Dodgers take two out of three or whatever
they do, it is going to feel for Yankee fans like, hey,
we got them, we got them, when when in essence,
like you said, it's not even close, it's not even
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close to winning in the regular season, as opposed to
lose in the World Series the way the Dodgers beat
them up last year. So but you know, everybody's a
prisoner of the moment. So if they come and have
a good showing, that'll be some satisfaction to them at
some point, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, but it's not like they murdered the Angels, by
the way, not like they went down there and the Angels.
The Angels played pretty.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well against them, yeah, yeah, and should have beat them,
you know, a couple of times, like you mentioned, swinging
three to zero the man on third. Come on, Fred,
come on, little leaguers don't have to do that. Yeah,
let's play some fundamental baseball.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Let's try that. But that's the Angels and what they
could beat last night one nothing. Yeah, So the Angels
were in the games, so you know, they they didn't
they didn't steamroll the Angels.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But you know, me, like you say it, like the
Dodgers did.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Exactly. They just came in and swipped the Dodgers. So
seldom Angels short. They can play when they want to,
it's just they can't be consistent.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, maybe the angel is the best team. Then maybe
that's the issue. Oh maybe come on, here's the thing,
here's the thing you gotta get.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Mike dropped back first. Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I saw him working out the other day before one
of those games, and they show clips of him running
and getting it right with a big nie leeve on,
and it's just like, man, he's such a great athlete
and it's such a specimen of an athlete and has been.
But man, the guy just could not stay healthy. Imagine
imagine if he was able to stay healthy throughout his is,
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throughout most of his career, what his numbers would look
like and how many MVPs he would have?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I mean, what has he got?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He's got like three as it is, doesn't he I
think he's got three and he's missed almost coming up
on missing more seasons than he's played.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And you know what's hard about that? When you see
him out there, they only show video of him, you know,
before the game.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Get back out there.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He's working out right, it's not the same anymore, all
of a sudden, because he has been injured for so long.
No matter how good he looks working out, he just
looks like a guy he's been hurt so much. I mean,
he's not Anthony Rendon. But has anyone seen Anthony rendauh.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
My god, speaking of.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Not even not even a peep about Anthony Rendon, which
was an.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It's amazing where it is amazing he is. I mean, boy,
did the Dodgers dodge that bullet? Oh? My god? That God.
He didn't want to be in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, he wanted to be somewhere quiet, Yeah, where he
could get lost, nobody would know he was there. Mission
accomplished and probably the right call given what's happened.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
But you know, going back to the Yankee thing, if
you're going to the game tomorrow night or this weekend,
it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
There'd be a lot of energy, be a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Of excitement, and it'll mean a little more. It will
because anytime you get the Dodgers or the Yankees playing,
it always means a little more. Yeah, sort of like
the Dodgers Giants, it always means a little more, just
because of the teams. But this we're gonna get you.
You're gonna pay for what you did. We will exact
our revenge on you. There's there's no revenge. You know,
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maybe Aaron Judge will learn to catch the ball in
this series, you know, maybe, well seriously, you know, maybe
the Yankees won't make base running blunders in.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
This series, or a pitcher will cover first base, or
somebody will go over there cover first base. Maybe that
don't happen. I just watched that inning the other day too.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I just it just popped up on you know, my
algorithm is crazy, but it just popped up and to
watch this the inning where the Dier scored five runs.
And I watched it and it was incredible, incredible, all
with two outs, all with two outs, and you know,
obviously starting with the Judge drop, but man, just blunder
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after blunder after blunder. Bot be throwing the ball to
third base and making a bad throw. And can imagine
you talking about Yankee fans and they are passionate sitting
in the stands at Yankee Stadium, which is where it was,
watching your team do this up five to one or
five to zero at that point and watching your team
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squander lead like.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
That at home. I mean they must have been sick
in those stands. Well, of course they were sick. The
Yankees were sick.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It looked like bad American legion ball. They completely came unraveled.
They deserve to lose, and they did. So that's why
you can't come here this year and go, well, we're
going to show you. You're not showing us anything. No
one's learning anything. These are regular season games. If you
want to show the Dodgers, if you want to show them,
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then both teams get back to the World Series and
that's where you can show them. That's where you can
exact your revenge. If you're a Yankee fan, that's when
you get it. You don't get it in three games
over the weekend in the end of May at Dodger Stadium.
You don't get it, then sorry, you just don't. But
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everybody should think whatever they want and motivate themselves. However
they need to motivate themselves the Yankee fans, come on,
come on, seriously.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But all that being said, though, it's gonna be like
you said, it's gonna be great atmosphere at died the Stadium.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
This weekend. Uh, it is going.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
To feel like a playoff at sure, because because of
the two teams involved, and two teams that are are
playing well and and that have all the star power.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So it's it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You have a chance to get out there, and I
know tickets are scarce and probably on the secondary market
going crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
But.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It'll be It'll be great out there. I think I'm
going Saturday see that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, I think so. But yeah, I can't wait. I
can't wait for the series.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh no, to get out there and be a part
of it. It'll be fantastic. Yeah, But if you're a
Yankee fan, just be realistic here. You probably lose two
or three anyway, Now, what are you gonna do? What
are you gonna do if the Yankees lose the series?
If you're a Yankee fan, I guess you didn't get
your revenge.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
We'll see, that's what they'll say.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
We'll see in the World Series, right wins. If they win,
we will like say, see we got you exactly exactly.
That's exactly what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
All right, let's talk about what happened in Cleveland again yesterday,
and Tanner Scott has not been placed on the il,
So I guess he's gonna keep pitching, because my feeling
was when a guy is going that wrong, something usually happens. Hey,
you know what, Tanner, You've got a little pin in
your shoulder, don't you. No, yeah, you do, I think
you do. So let's just shut you down for a while,
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let your rest, get your mind back, and then you'll
go back in, let you work on a few things,
and then we'll get you back in there, because what's
happening is not gonna work. What's happening really isn't acceptable.
You can't pay the guy to be the best closer
in baseball. Then it goes out and starts blowing games
left and right. How do you get it back, though, fret?
And how do you get it back? If you don't
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go out there, you don't got there, and how do
you get it back?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
M M No, I think we're we're on the PLA.
We're getting to the danger zone here with that.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
No, oh no, you can't say in one breath we're
only in May.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's only May.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
We got a lot of season left, Yeah, and then
turn around and say we can't trot them out there anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I mean, it's different. You can't put him out there anymore. No,
the closing it's different. I mean, everybody's going to work
on stuff. There's gonna be ups and downs. But if
a guy is in has one job, he has one job.
That would be like, your only job is at a
home run. Every time you're up and for whatever reason,
you hit a lot of home runs.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You happen to do that. That's your job.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Until all of a sudden you're not hitting them, and
it becomes a problem. Because that's your only job, we
have to take you out of the lineup. We can't
leave you in there. We got to figure out what's wrong.
We've got to work with you. You've got to be comfortable,
you got to get your mind straight. We got to
make sure you're feeling okay, and then we put you
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back in. If that's your only job, that's his only job.
He has one job.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Here's one thing.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You can't get back to doing the things that you
do well or the reason why we paid you and
signed you is to come in and close games. You
can't get back to that unless you go out and
close games. Yeah, the only way you can do that,
I hear you. You know they can't send him. They
can't send him Oklahoma City. No, you know, work that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Give him a couple of days off, Let him do
some throwing on the side, let him just get his
mind straight.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah there, all that would be great, But until he
gets back in the fire, none of that's gonna matter.
He can look great in the pen, you know, I
look great on the driving range. I get on the
golf course. Sometimes I'm erratic and all over the place.
You know, I'll hit every drive when I'm on the range,
down the middle, down the middle, down the middle. I
get on, of course, one drive to the left, one
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drive to the right, and maybe one down the middle.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
So until you he gets on the.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Heel in that situation with the pressure on him, we're
not gonna know if he's out of it or fixed
any problems that he may have maybe had it. And
I know they they think they identified it by saying,
you know, he's throwing the ball down the middle.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
He's he's getting too much of the plate.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
He's not hitting his his spots in terms of the corners,
the edges, and he's he's given given in to the
hitters too much. And and maybe that is something that
he can work on in the pen of his location.
But again, until he gets out on the heel with
the pressure and being up by one run in the
ninth inning, with all of that on you in the situation,
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we won't know.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Okay, well, maybe we should, Maybe we should take a
little time before we get to know.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Maybe we should just take a little bit of time.
But then we get time. But isn't this the time
to to figure it out?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
In May early June, that's fair, Not in August September,
that's fair.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But again, given what has happened, it might be best
for a little break. Of course, that means nothing me
saying it, because he'll probably go out there and pitch again.
But that's just one person's opinion. After the game last night,
so Alex Vessier gave up a big home run when
he came in to relieve Tanner Scott, Alex Vessier talked
to the media. Tanner Scott did not talk to the media,
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and David Veasse talked about that on Dodger Talk.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Tanner Scott obviously has not been the same Tanner Scott
from a year ago. It's utterly frustrating and if you're
Tanner Scott and you're the closer and you're making more
than anybody else in that bullpen. You should be standing
at your locker after the game today. You know Kenley
Jansen used to get criticized early in his closing career
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after he blew saves rare saves by the way with
the Dodgers, that he wasn't at his locker to be accountable.
Where was Tanner Scott today? He did not speak to
the media. You've got to be there. It shouldn't be
just Alex Vessia. Sorry, Alex Vesia had to try to
clean up a mess. Alex Vessi is a two time
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World Series champion. He has credibility with this fan base.
Tanner Scott, you don't.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay, what do you think of that? Rodney? How do
you tell us how you really feel?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
David Vasse oh man, No, he's right, He's right, and
and I'll be It'll be interesting to see the the
uh when those guys guys do come together and how
that conversation is gonna go with Tanner Scott and David
Bass I'm sure, I'm sure he is going to hear
about it and Dave criticize him.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
But Dave is absolutely right when loser draw.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
You've got to face the music, and it is a
part of our game, and it's something you may not
like it. And I learn this, and I think that's
people used to people used to laugh at us guys
coming out of USC, because that we learned that very
early when you get there, of how to talk and
deal with the media. And most guys when they came
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out of USC knew how to handle the media and
and knew how to speak and do interviews and gave
them the respect that they deserve. It is because something
that we were taught at school and playing at USC.
But you you've got to do that. It's part of
the game. It's part of being a pro. They cover
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the game. They are the direct pipeline to the fan base,
as Dave mentioned, So you got to do it unless
you are a guy that never talks to the media,
and that's just something that you don't do even when
you're you're doing good and have a great game, you
don't talk to the media. But you can't be the
guy that talks to them when things are going well
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and then all of a sudden not show up or
not talk when you have a a out. David spot
on with that. You got to stand up and be
accounted for in the good times and the bad times.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And this is different.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Look back in the day Mike Schmidt played for the
Phillies the Third Basement. He never spoke, remember, yeah, yeah,
people go up to him, ask him questions, just stare
at him.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He had a real disdain for the media, he really did.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Bill Belichick, well, god knows what he's doing now, but
in the day, he barely spoke. He kind of grunted
at you, yeah, kind of gun.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It was a chore for him.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You could tell he just absolutely did not want to
be there and gave you as little as possible.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
And what had to be frustrating for for New England fans.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Well, when's coach of the Kings, you'd ask him a question,
you couldn't understand what he said, and oftentimes he would
just malign you, and everybody would laugh because they were
winning and terrified of what he would say about them.
That was geryld Sutter. Yeah, well, I what I think
he would attack you and then everybody would laugh because
they didn't want to be attacked next. I mean, so
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there are guys like that, but in a situation like this,
in this social media world where everybody is their own brand,
there's an expectation that you're going to speak. There is
an expectation and a way to do it.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It comes with being paid a lot of money to
play baseball. That's kind of part of it. It's an
occupational hazard. If you weren't playing baseball, nobody would want
to talk to you anyway, and they certainly wouldn't pay
you what you get paid. So you do have an
obligation to stand there and answer the questions. Everybody knows
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you feel bad, Everyone is aware of the fact that
you are struggling, and probably everyone knows that you're confused
by what's happening.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So say it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Say it and you don't, and you don't have to
spill your innermost thoughts, you know, which you know talked
about at the beginning. You got, you know, being savvy
and having some sort of training, but you certainly got
to stay end up there and attempt to answer the question. Now,
the questions that you the way you answer them may
not be satisfactory to the people asking them, but you've
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got to be there answering questions, and that is that again,
is just part of being a pro. You know, when
you make it to this level, it comes with the territory.
As you mentioned, Fred, it's part. It's an occupational hazard
and you know, and you just can't be a front runner.
Can't be a front runner when things are good. You know,
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if you're good with the media, when things are bad,
they'll be good to you. They'll be good to you
because they will respect you. Okay, more on that coming
up later on in the show. Up next, h Lebron
is going to choose to opt in.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
See okay, okay, throw Back Thursday. It is Rodney p
Fred Rogan.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Come on, Yeah, So here's the deal, Rodney.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
You know, despite the fact that Rich Paul said, you know, Lebron's.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Not really sure what he's gonna do. We know what
he's gonna do. He's gonna opt in. There's just no
other way to look at it. That's too much money.
He's going to opt in. Okay, and honestly, the Lakers
want him to opt in.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
That's great because they need him. So we got that.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
We've solved the mystery. Ooh, what's gonna happen. We know
what's gonna happen. He's gonna opt in.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
So that's that part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Now, let's think about what happens after the year, So
he'll have the ability to re sign, He'll have the
ability to come back to the Lakers at the completion.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Of next season.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And I'm gonna sit here and wager Rodney, if he's healthy,
he comes back, because if he's healthy, there's no reason
not for him him to come back.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Is that fair? Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, that's fair. But does the are you putting a
stipulation based on the season that the Lakers have or
does it matter. If he's healthy, he's coming back regardless
if they get bounced like they did this year in
the first round or go on and win the title.
He's still coming back if he's healthy. So yeah, let's
look at it like this. If he's healthy, he's going
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to play the following year. Can we say that? Is
that fair?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, right, we don't know where, but he's going to
play the following year. No matter what the Lakers do,
he will play another year.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I think he plays. Yeah, I think he continues to
play as long as he's healthy. I think he continues
to play. I mean, you know again, Lebron is he's
a fan of the game and always has been.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
He understands the history of the game, if you you know,
ask him questions about trip you and about things that
have happened in the past. He knows all the players,
He certainly knows the stats. So he is a big
time student and fan of of of the NBA. And
I say that because he also is very aware of
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where he sits and stands with the all time greats.
I mean we hear him, you know, mentioning it all
the time and talk about, you know, where.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
He feels he fits, you know, and that that that
debate and whether he's the best of all time or
is it Michael Jordan. And I think there's too much
for him to to build upon, for him to leave
when he's healthy, you know, blowing blowing the total points
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out of the water. He already has got most points,
and I think he wants to add to that number.
I think, being a guy that plays until he's forty five,
it's something that he can look up and go see.
Nobody else could play as long as I could play,
you know, playing with his son was something that nobody
else had ever done. So I think a lot of
those little you know, milestones and achievements are on his mind,
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which is why I believe that he will continue continue
to play as long as he's as long as he's able,
and as long as he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Okay, so we assume he's going to play, he'll continue
on and as long as he can play, he should.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Is he the best player in the league anymore?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Is he top ten? Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Is he a guy you'd want who could make a
difference in the right scenario?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Absolutely? All right.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So, now, assuming he's going to play, and let's say
the Lakers would love to have him back, Let's say
they would. Now it comes down to this, after this deal,
if he's going to return, do you think he would
take less money with the Lakers or somewhere else if
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he thought it would allow them to build a championship team.
If you think back years ago, Tim Duncan did that
so that San Antonio could build championship teams. There's no
guarantee you're gonna win, but at least they could try.
Do you think he would be that kind of guy that? Okay,
I made a ton of money, and by the way,
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I'm not playing for free, don't kid yourself, but I'll
take less now to have a better chance to win.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Do you think he would do that? What are we
talking about? Less?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You know, I think he's due to make what fifty
four million dollars this year? Right, So if Less is
fifty million to help, you know, sign a guy. Yeah,
if we're talking take a twenty million dollar haircut, Yeah,
let's talk that. No. No, and I wouldn't. I wouldn't
advise him because I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Why am I taking a twenty million dollar haircut when
you know the teams are all the teams are about
to get a four hundred million dollar check from the
new TV deal and all the things that they got
going for him, and they you know, yes they cry broke,
but sell the team and you're not broke, you know whoever?
You know these mom and pop shops. So no, I'm
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not taking a twenty million dollar haircut. No, And I
think it's unfair to put that on the players. You know,
the salaries are the salaries, and it was they created
this monster. The league created this, correct, you know, so
why should the players have to go and take Less?
Figure out a way that it works for the NBA?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well, but understand, yes, you one hundred percent right, But
we're in a cap situation here, and I'm saying if
he took a twenty million dollar haircut, as you suggested,
that gives them twenty million dollars now to go out
and invest in help for him. And let's say he's
a pretty good player, all of a sudden, they got
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better because he took less. If he continues to take
that amount, they can't go out and sign as many
good players or top notch players. Just using your twenty
million dollars as an example. No, I don't think anybody
should take a haircut. I agree you've earned that money.
And by the way, if you want to really look
at it, one of the big reasons he's paid is
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because he's him and he puts people in the seats,
so the Lakers are making money. All that is true,
but this is a cap league and you can only
spend so much. And if that's the case, if he
took lass and they could get better, you don't think
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he would consider that. And I'm not saying you should
or shouldn't. I'm just saying, do you.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I mean, I don't know if he would or not.
I don't know. I'm not in his head. I'm just
I'm looking at it from a standpoint of if it's
you know, somewhere in the ten million in under range, yeah,
I probably And I've had the career that he's had
and you know, you know, made upwards of what he's
probably made upwards of thirty million dollars for the last
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ten years, maybe less, maybe seven years he's made upwards
because the salaries kind of went crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
In the last five.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
But say that, Yeah, and I've had that career, then yeah,
if it's in the you know, ten or below. Yeah,
But when you talk about twenty million dollars, that's that
that's a that's a hefty cut.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
That's a hefty cut to take. I don't care who
you are.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Now, if he's a guy that is you know, like
in the league, he's making fifty four million dollars and
the next closest guy in the league is only making
thirty million.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Dollars, that's a different story. That's a different story.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
But when you got guys around the league that are
making fifty and sixty million dollars, eh, eh, would you
say the same thing? Go to Luca, Hey, Luca, you
know you're about to sign a new deal. Take a
haircut on this deal. You're a young kid. You're gonna
make it up. Take take less. You know, if you're
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gonna do that to me, then you got to do
it to him. And if he's willing to do it,
then yeah, I may be willing to do it too.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Well, First, the reason I don't think that works is because,
as you said, Luca is the young kid, and Lebron
is to a point where he's made the majority of
his money. Now fair, unfair, right or wrong, that's just
the way it is. So you're playing quarterback, all right,
and let's say you're making and when you played nobody
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made this. Well, let's say forty million dollars a year.
Rodney Pete's making forty million a year. And they come
to you and they say, Rodney, we got to get
unto the cap, we got to restructure this, we got
to figure it out. So do me a favor. If
you do this, we think we can get a super
Bowl out of it. And I'll tell you who we're
gonna sign, and I'll tell you what they bring to
the table. And you you can even sit in on this.
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Take twenty eight million, give me that twelve. Let me
go out and get you what you need. It doesn't
guarantee you're going to win, absolutely not. But does it
ensure that you've got a pretty damn good chance.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yes it does.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Would you give that twelve million back?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Am I the only one? Am I the only one
that they're gonna ask?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Okay, you know what we're gonna say for the point
of this conversation. You're not the only one, but you're
the one given the most back.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
So they went to the superstar.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Defensive end Aaron Donald and say say give me five back,
give me five back. Rodney's gonna give twelve. And then
one other person says, gives three back. Get us all
under the cap, and you guys all got together. Yeah
that is that is a doable due And I'm this
is my what fifteenth year in the league, right, Yeah,
So it's a long time. I've been a long time,
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and you're gonna bring me Anthony Munho's at Barry Sanders.
We can sign those guys if you guys make this deal. Yes,
you got me a left tackle and you got me
a superstar running back.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
That's gonna put us over the top. Correct.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, I would be apt to do that deal, all right? Now,
let's try this way, Rodney. You make forty million dollars
a year. You make far more than anybody on the team.
It's not even close because we know all the salaries and.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
You make more than anybody.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
We're gonna get you what you need, but you gotta
give me twelve back. We're not taking from anyone else now,
they don't make what you make, by the way, they're
not even close. Give me twelve back. But you're the
only one we're asking for twelve back. Now, what do
you do? And with that twelve we can get you
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Anthony Muno's and Barry Flanders. You don't get Barry Sanders.
It's not enough. But you get Barry Flanders. You got
a guy kind of like Barry Sanders.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Would you do that? Uh?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I'll take that twelve million dollar haircut and exchange.
I will request a two percent equity in the team. No,
we can't give you that. We're not gonna give something up.
You got to give something else up on the side.
So there's got to be something that can work out
down the road for me. So if I'm taking this haircut, now,
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how am I gonna make that up? And I make
it up that you hire me on as a consultant
when I'm done playing, you hire me on as a
consultant for an X amount of X amount of years.
That would be equivalent of that twelve million dollars that
I gave up to you. So it could be a
fifteen year contract after I'm done playing that pays me
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half a million dollars a year or seven fifty a year,
So whatever the number is gonna be. Yeah, we work
something out friendly basis. You know, at retirement, we'll find
a way to compensate you for what you did for us.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Now, Okay, that being said, why couldn't the Lakers do
that with Lebron?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
They could, I'm sure they could. You know, Lebron take
this haircut.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And because you're in LA and because you played for
the Lakers, there are many ways to make that money
off the court and some of the other things that
we're doing, maybe marketing wise, so you know, you can
continue on being you know, one of the faces of
the Lakers going forward. We will find a position for you.
We will find something to get you that twenty million
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dollars that you gave to us. Now, yeah, that would
be a smart move. Okay, And and if they did that,
you'd beat You would be okay with that because he
still gets it. He just gets it differently, gets it differently. Yeah,
I would be okay with that. And if they can't
just one side, it can't be just one sided. But
I'm saying because what.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You're saying is if they came to him and said, Lebron,
here's what we can get, and we think this, this
is the missing piece, and you'll agree, by the way, Lebron,
this could be the missing piece. Good, we're all on
the same page. Give me that twenty million back and
let's go win a title. And Lebron says okay, and
and their response is, and let's go win a title.
(32:13):
There's nothing else to it. Just give me that money back.
You wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
No, no, no, no. I'd sign a contract for a
reason and you guys agreed to it. And that's that's
the way it is. But he'd be a free agent
because it's a scale. It's scale. Oh so we're tying signed,
(32:39):
We're got time. I give them money back.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Now we're talking about just take quacking less, So just
take less on a news How about that?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
That's a different story.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's a different story than I'm set to make fifty
four million dollars. Now you want me to make thirty
four million dollars, you know, and and give twenty back.
And as opposed to ok Lebron, we want to sign
you to a two year, one hundred and twenty million
dollar contract, and that's what you agreed to. And then
right up on signing day of that, they come to
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you and go, wait a minute, hold on, we got
a chance to get this.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
They can't. No, no, no, you can't do that. Yeah,
the NBA, you can't even renegotiate contracts like that.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
No no, no, he doesn't. He doesn't sign it. He
doesn't sign it. It's just verbal like we're we're talking here.
No you can't talk that. No no, no, no, you
can't do that.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Why not? No, you can't go here's your two year deal?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
No no, no, no. It's not putting it down, you're not
signing anything. It's just it's just verbally talking like.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
It's understood that this is what we're gonna what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, we think we're going to be in that neighborhood
of one twenty for two years. No, no, no, And
he goes there and they go wait. In the next day,
they go, oh my god, we got a chance to
sgn KD No at this number?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Can you take a hundred? No, a hundred and twenty? No, No,
you can't do that. But what I'm saying is now
he's a free agent, he's available. Laker said, we want
you back. We're gonna pay you twenty eight million dollars.
You made fifty four last year. We're gonna pay you
twenty eight. If we pay you twenty eight, we can
do this, this and this. But you're only getting twenty eight.
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You're not getting fifty four. What do you say to that?
And who am I getting? And who the Lakers getting?
Whoever they're getting, they're getting gi honest, they're getting somebody.
They're getting two guys that are really good, two guys
that everybody goes, oh my god, you've got those guys now,
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and you want me to you want me to take
twenty eight yep, And you're getting ready to sign Luca
to a max deal. He signed, he's already got it.
He's already got his Max deal. He's done. And so
you don't go to him at all either, No, he's done,
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he's done. Lebron's a free agent, Lebron, will you take
twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'd be more apt to take twenty eight if I'm
a free agent. Yeah, I look at it differently. If
I'm a free agent and I'm in here twenty two
and you know they can sign Giannis and and one
other player, that's big time as well. Yeah, I might
be up to do that as a free agent. But
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not taking the salary off my pocket. Out of my pocket, though,
that's the difference. I'm set to make fifty four. All right, Well,
let me take it out of my pocket.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
No, no, we're not gonna put our hand in your pocket.
I promise we're not going to do that. And if
we get to be a little creepy, you don't answer
coming up at one o'clock with Dan Woiki.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
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Speaker 3 (36:30):
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Speaker 3 (36:45):
All right and now from the court to the court
Room with Jacob m Rani.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Okay, now our weekly chat wether good friend, Jacob m Ronnie. Jacob,
how are you today?
Speaker 5 (36:57):
I am doing wonderful. How are you, Fred? How are
you right?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Me doing fantastic, Jacob, fantastic. I'm still hanging over from
the Yeah, I'm still hanging over.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
From the weekend, Jacob. Ate too much food and laid
on the counters too much.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
You were hanging out with Magic on the weekend.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I was, I was. I was every time.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Anytime he's got free food and food trucks lined up
at his house, I'm there, Jacob, I'm coming.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
That doesn't he usually do that, Rodney? Is that the
Memorial Day of Many Hands? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, yeah, so he uh yeah, he has a Memorial
Day event and he usually has like ten food trucks
that line up from in and out Burger to tacos
to uh lobster and just everything you can think of,
and then every type of sweet dessert that you can
think of as well. So he's uh, yeah, it's just
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very laid back and chill and music and cards and
dominoes and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
That people like. You know.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
What I mean about that, Rodney, is the fact that
he's enjoying life is short. He's enjoying it, and he
brings all of his great friends like yourself and all
of the other guys around, and you know, he's and
he enjoys it with his friends and he makes some memories.
I love that. So so I'm glad you you know,
I'm glad you had a good Memorial Day.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, now he does. You're absolutely right, And it was
good to see. And what's what's good about it too,
as you said, bringing all his his friends around and
his old buddies.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
They were I would say nine or ten of the showtime.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Guys that were there as well that he still hangs
out with on a regular basis, from you know, Byron
Scott to Coop to James Worthy and Kurt Rambis, and
I mean it just it was really great to see
all those guys kind of telling stories and and just
being a fly on a wall.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
I was talking to Coop and he told me that's
where you guys all wore, and he said it's a
great time. So yeah, great, good stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's so, that's how Magic barbecues. He just invites like
ten food trucks to him. A lot of people go
out and get around the grills over the food trucks.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, I'm not cooking any steaks on the grill, no
barbecue chicken or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Why not? Why do I need to do that? Uh? Hey,
Jacob So on the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Uh well, first, before we get to that, do you
have any interesting lost stories you can share cases you've tried,
situations you've been in that you think that would be
fascinating or that ended up the wrong way?
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Well, you know, I mean, unfortunately, yeah, I have. You know, everyone,
every attorney you talk to, they only want to talk
about their successes and their wins. And unfortunately, the things
that stick with me is when a case doesn't go
really well because a client doesn't really want to you know, listen,
you know, to your advice, and you know, I will
always remember a case that we had where and a
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really nice lady had a foot and fall at a
grocery store, and you know, we had representing her for
about three years. We had had an offer for her
on the table, and just so you know, slip and
fall and trip and fall cases are all very dangerous
because you never know what a jury is going to
come back with, whether they're going to believe that the
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store had a duty in order to clean whatever mess
was on the floor, did they have enough time. But anyways,
so we had a nice offer for this lady and
she came in to look and see if she was
to accept this offer, how much after paying medical bills,
paying off attorney fees, how much would she net. And obviously,
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every client, you know, wants to be compensated at the
highest level, but this particular client wanted more money that
was available, so she decided to bring her husband, and
her husband came in and didn't even give us an
opportunity to speak. We had a you know, four hundred
and fifty thousand dollars offer on the table, and you know,
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she was going to net about one hundred twenty five
thousand dollars because she had a lot of medical bills,
and her husband was adamant that his wife should be
getting half of you know, the offer, So the wife
should get two hundred and twenty five thousand, and we
kept saying, there's no way that's going to happen, and
if we go to trial, there's a chance she'll get less. Now,
I know a lot of people hear that, and a
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lot of attorneys try to caution their clients just just
because you go to court doesn't mean you will do better. Actually,
sometimes you may do worse. And the husband had you know,
didn't want to hear it, slammed you know, his keys
on the table. I mean, I clearly remember it from
seven years ago, grabbed his wife literally physically and pulled
her out of the office. And we're not talking. We're
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going to trial. So what are we supposed to do.
We're a week away from trial. There's nothing we can do. Normally,
in those situations when we don't have crime control, we
can even ask to be you know, to be relieved
from the case because we understand what could occur. But
in this situation, it was too close to trial. We
go to trial and a jury comes back with only
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a fifty thousand dollars verdict oh out. Not only is
that a bad result, but they didn't really believe that
she was as injured as she said. It didn't even
get to liability about who's at fault. They were worried
about she was overdoing her injuries. And understand that people
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like to give money or give you a verdict to
people they like, and unfortunately she wasn't the most likable client.
But that doesn't mean we're not going to fight for her.
And I remember for three years after that, she would
call me every few months and let me know that
because we only got fifty thousand, all the medical providers
were going after her. She was in collections, and luckily
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for us, we had her sign a letter of understanding
and a waiver that she clearly was taking on the
risk of going to trial, knowing that she could even
walk away with zero. So you know, we always kept
telling her, hey, you signed that letter, and she understood.
But now she went from somebody who is being very,
very hard and upset to being the sweetest person in
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the world because now she needed us to help her
with all of those collections stuff. And it still sort
of pulls up my heart string because she could have
walked away with you know, getting paid, but for her
husband wanted to be a tough guy and wanted to
force us. And unfortunately, sometimes cases don't go well. And
that's important for clients to know that sometimes you can't
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get you know, too greedy, you can't push too much,
and a burd in hand is always better, you know,
than something that you're chasing. So when you say, do
I remember something and something that didn't go well, yeah,
we have our cases that don't go well. Thank god,
they are far and far in few based on what
we do that go well versus don't. But this is
one that I always will remember.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Dang, Jason Jacob, I wonder do you do you get
a lot of that because now there's so much information,
like you know, Chad GBT or Google people, you know,
the Google lawyer out there. Can you know, go and
try to think that they can be a lawyer?
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Are they they watch.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Suits on TV or something like that and think they
can go do it themselves and don't take your opinions
and you're expertise.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Yeah, we absolutely do that. And it's not necessarily because
of the chat shebt. Everybody was watching Law and Order.
I can't tell you how often people tell us why
it's taking us so long to get a case settled,
and it's because obviously, when you watch law and order
or suits, within a matter of one hour, the case
occurs and they're already in trial fifteen minutes later. And unfortunately,
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that's you know, that's not how law occurs, and that's
not how litigation occurs, that's not how going to court occurs.
So we do get a lot of that, and client
control is probably one of the most difficult parts, you know,
of what we do, because everybody always feels like their
case is worth multimillion dollars because they see all these
instagram you know, hosts about all this money that you
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know that's been recovered. But we always tell them every
case is different and managing expectations is very important. So yes,
that is one of the toughest things that we have
to do and manage.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
You know, my mother wanted me to be an attorney, Jacob,
that's what you wanted me to be, but I went
into a job that didn't require as much schooling. I
just started speaking and got paid for it. But I
still think it would have been fun to be an attorney.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
Well, I think you'd be a great attorney. I think
I think you are very convincing. You're a storyteller, and
I always tell people. To be a good attorney that
goes to court, you need to be a good storyteller.
And I always tell my team the attorneys that go
to court on a daily basis, that you're telling a
story of our clients. You need to get to know
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the client. You need to get the ins and outs
of their life so that you can tell the story
about their life and you can fight for them. So, Fred,
I actually think you'd be a great attorney.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Ah, come on, Jacob, come on.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Now, there's a fine line between a storyteller and a
damn liar.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Come on, Jacob.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Fred would annoy Fred would have Fred would annoy the
judge so much that he would lose seventy five percent
of his cases.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Oh my god, No offense, Fred, no offense, No offense?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Probably Rodney. All right, Jake, have you want to leave
it with a tip for today or no?
Speaker 5 (46:28):
You know what? Yeah, I got to tell you. Everyone's
coming back. Everyone's going coming back from the Memorial weekend.
We have had a very busy week. I just want to,
you know, really congratulate the people that have been listening
to us for so many years since I've been on
and actually taking the information we give them and actually
putting it into practice, because I can't tell you how
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many people call and said, listen to you on, you know,
on Rogan and Rodney and uh, I took what you
told me and I'm calling you him at the scene
of the accident or at the hospital, and I just
wanted to chat with you. And that just makes it
so much easier for us to help people. So I'm
so glad that we are able to help people.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
All right, Well, we're glad you're with us and one
of our partners and more importantly, one of our friends.
So Jacob, thank you for coming on today and we'll
talk to you next week.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Bye, guys.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
You know, it's kind of weird. The Rams may have
the best roster, but they're not favored to win the
NFC West, so we have to explore that. And when
we come back, Dan Woiki, our NBA insider, joins us
All right, here we go, Fred Rogan and Rodney Pete
on a five to seventy LA Sports Big three hour show. Today,
Dodgers are off. They have returned from Cleveland after that
disaster yesterday in the eighth inning. They'll get ready to
take on the Yankees tomorrow night. And Rodney, good afternoon
to you.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Oh, good afternoon, Fred, good afternoon. Yes, it was disaster
yesterday for the Dodgers, losing that game and having that
blow up in the eighth inning. But I am looking
forward to the Yankees coming to town. Who do you
think is more looking forward to it, Fred, the Yankees
or the Dodgers. And then on the fan base side,
who do you think is more looking forward to this series?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I can answer them both. Yes, the Yankees. They know
why would you say Yankee fans are more looking forward
to it, Because they've got to score, to settle, they
got to get even.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
They're gonna show you.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
But here's the funny part of that, and you know,
we'll talk about this more later in the show, But
here's a funny part of that. Oh, they're gonna show you.
What are you gonna show us? Well, what are you
gonna show? What are you gonna prove you already lost
last year. This means nothing. It's great for you. Maybe
you win, maybe you lose, but again, the only thing
that matters is October.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So we're gonna have our revenge. Have it. Have all the.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Revenge you want. Doesn't mean a damn thing because the
only thing that mattered you lost him, and that was
the World Series. You don't get to do it again.
You don't get to come back this year and go Okay,
to listen, you beat us last year and we looked
awfully bad. So we're gonna get you real good now, Okay,
(01:36):
good for you.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
It doesn't change the outcome of anything. It's a new
year and a new team. I think if you're a
Yankee fan, you're sitting there thinking, all right, they're gonna
get it. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna show you. You're showing
us nothing because it doesn't matter yet. So I think
it means more for Yankee fans quite frankly, and the
Yankees than the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Rodney, Yeah, no, I would agree. I would agree, and
they will look at it that way too. Right, If
the Yankees come in there and play well and they
beat the Dodgers take two out of three or whatever
they do, it is going to feel for Yankee fans like, hey,
we got them, we got them, when when in essence,
like you said, it's not even close, it's not even
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close to winning in the regular season, as opposed to
lose in the World Series the way the Dodgers beat
them up last year. So but you know, everybody's a
prisoner of the moment. So if they come and have
a good showing, that'll be some satisfaction to them at
some point, you know.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, but it's not like they murdered the Angels, by
the way, not like they went down there and the Angels.
The Angels played pretty.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Well against them, yeah, yeah, and should have beat them,
you know, a couple of times, like you mentioned, swinging
three to zero the man on third. Come on, Fred,
come on, little leaguers don't have to do that. Yeah,
let's play some fundamental baseball.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Let's try that. But that's the Angels and what they
could beat last night one nothing. Yeah, So the Angels
were in the games, so you know, they they didn't
they didn't steamroll the Angels.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
But you know, me, like you say it, like the
Dodgers did.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
Exactly. They just came in and swipped the Dodgers. So
seldom Angels short. They can play when they want to,
it's just they can't be consistent.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Well, maybe the angel is the best team. Then maybe
that's the issue. Oh maybe come on, here's the thing,
here's the thing you gotta get.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Mike dropped back first. Yeah, I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I saw him working out the other day before one
of those games, and they show clips of him running
and getting it right with a big nie leeve on,
and it's just like, man, he's such a great athlete
and it's such a specimen of an athlete and has been.
But man, the guy just could not stay healthy. Imagine
imagine if he was able to stay healthy throughout his is,
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throughout most of his career, what his numbers would look
like and how many MVPs he would have?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I mean, what has he got?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
He's got like three as it is, doesn't he I
think he's got three and he's missed almost coming up
on missing more seasons than he's played.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
And you know what's hard about that? When you see
him out there, they only show video of him, you know,
before the game.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Get back out there.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
He's working out right, it's not the same anymore, all
of a sudden, because he has been injured for so long.
No matter how good he looks working out, he just
looks like a guy he's been hurt so much. I mean,
he's not Anthony Rendon. But has anyone seen Anthony rendauh.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
My god, speaking of.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Not even not even a peep about Anthony Rendon, which
was an.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
It's amazing where it is amazing he is. I mean, boy,
did the Dodgers dodge that bullet? Oh? My god? That God.
He didn't want to be in Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Yeah, he wanted to be somewhere quiet, Yeah, where he
could get lost, nobody would know he was there. Mission
accomplished and probably the right call given what's happened.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
But you know, going back to the Yankee thing, if
you're going to the game tomorrow night or this weekend,
it's gonna be great.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
There'd be a lot of energy, be a lot.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Of excitement, and it'll mean a little more. It will
because anytime you get the Dodgers or the Yankees playing,
it always means a little more. Yeah, sort of like
the Dodgers Giants, it always means a little more, just
because of the teams. But this we're gonna get you.
You're gonna pay for what you did. We will exact
our revenge on you. There's there's no revenge. You know,
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maybe Aaron Judge will learn to catch the ball in
this series, you know, maybe, well seriously, you know, maybe
the Yankees won't make base running blunders in.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
This series, or a pitcher will cover first base, or
somebody will go over there cover first base. Maybe that
don't happen. I just watched that inning the other day too.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I just it just popped up on you know, my
algorithm is crazy, but it just popped up and to
watch this the inning where the Dier scored five runs.
And I watched it and it was incredible, incredible, all
with two outs, all with two outs, and you know,
obviously starting with the Judge drop, but man, just blunder
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after blunder after blunder. Bot be throwing the ball to
third base and making a bad throw. And can imagine
you talking about Yankee fans and they are passionate sitting
in the stands at Yankee Stadium, which is where it was,
watching your team do this up five to one or
five to zero at that point and watching your team
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squander lead like.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
That at home. I mean they must have been sick
in those stands. Well, of course they were sick. The
Yankees were sick.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
It looked like bad American legion ball. They completely came unraveled.
They deserve to lose, and they did. So that's why
you can't come here this year and go, well, we're
going to show you. You're not showing us anything. No
one's learning anything. These are regular season games. If you
want to show the Dodgers, if you want to show them,
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then both teams get back to the World Series and
that's where you can show them. That's where you can
exact your revenge. If you're a Yankee fan, that's when
you get it. You don't get it in three games
over the weekend in the end of May at Dodger Stadium.
You don't get it, then sorry, you just don't. But
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everybody should think whatever they want and motivate themselves. However
they need to motivate themselves the Yankee fans, come on,
come on, seriously.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
But all that being said, though, it's gonna be like
you said, it's gonna be great atmosphere at died the Stadium.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
This weekend. Uh, it is going.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
To feel like a playoff at sure, because because of
the two teams involved, and two teams that are are
playing well and and that have all the star power.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
So it's it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
You have a chance to get out there, and I
know tickets are scarce and probably on the secondary market
going crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
But.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
It'll be It'll be great out there. I think I'm
going Saturday see that.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Yeah, I think so. But yeah, I can't wait. I
can't wait for the series.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
Oh no, to get out there and be a part
of it. It'll be fantastic. Yeah, But if you're a
Yankee fan, just be realistic here. You probably lose two
or three anyway, Now, what are you gonna do? What
are you gonna do if the Yankees lose the series?
If you're a Yankee fan, I guess you didn't get
your revenge.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
We'll see, that's what they'll say.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
We'll see in the World Series, right wins. If they win,
we will like say, see we got you exactly exactly.
That's exactly what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
All right, let's talk about what happened in Cleveland again yesterday,
and Tanner Scott has not been placed on the il,
So I guess he's gonna keep pitching, because my feeling
was when a guy is going that wrong, something usually happens. Hey,
you know what, Tanner, You've got a little pin in
your shoulder, don't you. No, yeah, you do, I think
you do. So let's just shut you down for a while,
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let your rest, get your mind back, and then you'll
go back in, let you work on a few things,
and then we'll get you back in there, because what's
happening is not gonna work. What's happening really isn't acceptable.
You can't pay the guy to be the best closer
in baseball. Then it goes out and starts blowing games
left and right. How do you get it back, though, fret?
And how do you get it back? If you don't
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go out there, you don't got there, and how do
you get it back?
Speaker 3 (09:56):
M M No, I think we're we're on the PLA.
We're getting to the danger zone here with that.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
No, oh no, you can't say in one breath we're
only in May.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
It's only May.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
We got a lot of season left, Yeah, and then
turn around and say we can't trot them out there anymore.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
I mean, it's different. You can't put him out there anymore. No,
the closing it's different. I mean, everybody's going to work
on stuff. There's gonna be ups and downs. But if
a guy is in has one job, he has one job.
That would be like, your only job is at a
home run. Every time you're up and for whatever reason,
you hit a lot of home runs.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
You happen to do that. That's your job.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Until all of a sudden you're not hitting them, and
it becomes a problem. Because that's your only job, we
have to take you out of the lineup. We can't
leave you in there. We got to figure out what's wrong.
We've got to work with you. You've got to be comfortable,
you got to get your mind straight. We got to
make sure you're feeling okay, and then we put you
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back in. If that's your only job, that's his only job.
He has one job.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
Here's one thing.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You can't get back to doing the things that you
do well or the reason why we paid you and
signed you is to come in and close games. You
can't get back to that unless you go out and
close games. Yeah, the only way you can do that,
I hear you. You know they can't send him. They
can't send him Oklahoma City. No, you know, work that.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Give him a couple of days off, Let him do
some throwing on the side, let him just get his
mind straight.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah there, all that would be great, But until he
gets back in the fire, none of that's gonna matter.
He can look great in the pen, you know, I
look great on the driving range. I get on the
golf course. Sometimes I'm erratic and all over the place.
You know, I'll hit every drive when I'm on the range,
down the middle, down the middle, down the middle. I
get on, of course, one drive to the left, one
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drive to the right, and maybe one down the middle.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
So until you he gets on the.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Heel in that situation with the pressure on him, we're
not gonna know if he's out of it or fixed
any problems that he may have maybe had it. And
I know they they think they identified it by saying,
you know, he's throwing the ball down the middle.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
He's he's getting too much of the plate.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
He's not hitting his his spots in terms of the corners,
the edges, and he's he's given given in to the
hitters too much. And and maybe that is something that
he can work on in the pen of his location.
But again, until he gets out on the heel with
the pressure and being up by one run in the
ninth inning, with all of that on you in the situation,
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we won't know.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Okay, well, maybe we should, Maybe we should take a
little time before we get to know.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Maybe we should just take a little bit of time.
But then we get time. But isn't this the time
to to figure it out?
Speaker 2 (13:01):
In May early June, that's fair, Not in August September,
that's fair.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
But again, given what has happened, it might be best
for a little break. Of course, that means nothing me
saying it, because he'll probably go out there and pitch again.
But that's just one person's opinion. After the game last night,
so Alex Vessier gave up a big home run when
he came in to relieve Tanner Scott, Alex Vessier talked
to the media. Tanner Scott did not talk to the media,
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and David Veasse talked about that on Dodger Talk.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Tanner Scott obviously has not been the same Tanner Scott
from a year ago. It's utterly frustrating and if you're
Tanner Scott and you're the closer and you're making more
than anybody else in that bullpen. You should be standing
at your locker after the game today. You know Kenley
Jansen used to get criticized early in his closing career
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after he blew saves rare saves by the way with
the Dodgers, that he wasn't at his locker to be accountable.
Where was Tanner Scott today? He did not speak to
the media. You've got to be there. It shouldn't be
just Alex Vessia. Sorry, Alex Vesia had to try to
clean up a mess. Alex Vessi is a two time
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World Series champion. He has credibility with this fan base.
Tanner Scott, you don't.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Okay, what do you think of that? Rodney? How do
you tell us how you really feel?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
David Vasse oh man, No, he's right, He's right, and
and I'll be It'll be interesting to see the the
uh when those guys guys do come together and how
that conversation is gonna go with Tanner Scott and David
Bass I'm sure, I'm sure he is going to hear
about it and Dave criticize him.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
But Dave is absolutely right when loser draw.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
You've got to face the music, and it is a
part of our game, and it's something you may not
like it. And I learn this, and I think that's
people used to people used to laugh at us guys
coming out of USC, because that we learned that very
early when you get there, of how to talk and
deal with the media. And most guys when they came
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out of USC knew how to handle the media and
and knew how to speak and do interviews and gave
them the respect that they deserve. It is because something
that we were taught at school and playing at USC.
But you you've got to do that. It's part of
the game. It's part of being a pro. They cover
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the game. They are the direct pipeline to the fan base,
as Dave mentioned, So you got to do it unless
you are a guy that never talks to the media,
and that's just something that you don't do even when
you're you're doing good and have a great game, you
don't talk to the media. But you can't be the
guy that talks to them when things are going well
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and then all of a sudden not show up or
not talk when you have a a out. David spot
on with that. You got to stand up and be
accounted for in the good times and the bad times.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
And this is different.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Look back in the day Mike Schmidt played for the
Phillies the Third Basement. He never spoke, remember, yeah, yeah,
people go up to him, ask him questions, just stare
at him.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He had a real disdain for the media, he really did.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Bill Belichick, well, god knows what he's doing now, but
in the day, he barely spoke. He kind of grunted
at you, yeah, kind of gun.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It was a chore for him.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
You could tell he just absolutely did not want to
be there and gave you as little as possible.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
And what had to be frustrating for for New England fans.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Well, when's coach of the Kings, you'd ask him a question,
you couldn't understand what he said, and oftentimes he would
just malign you, and everybody would laugh because they were
winning and terrified of what he would say about them.
That was geryld Sutter. Yeah, well, I what I think
he would attack you and then everybody would laugh because
they didn't want to be attacked next. I mean, so
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there are guys like that, but in a situation like this,
in this social media world where everybody is their own brand,
there's an expectation that you're going to speak. There is
an expectation and a way to do it.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
It comes with being paid a lot of money to
play baseball. That's kind of part of it. It's an
occupational hazard. If you weren't playing baseball, nobody would want
to talk to you anyway, and they certainly wouldn't pay
you what you get paid. So you do have an
obligation to stand there and answer the questions. Everybody knows
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you feel bad, Everyone is aware of the fact that
you are struggling, and probably everyone knows that you're confused
by what's happening.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
So say it.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Say it and you don't, and you don't have to
spill your innermost thoughts, you know, which you know talked
about at the beginning. You got, you know, being savvy
and having some sort of training, but you certainly got
to stay end up there and attempt to answer the question. Now,
the questions that you the way you answer them may
not be satisfactory to the people asking them, but you've
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got to be there answering questions, and that is that again,
is just part of being a pro. You know, when
you make it to this level, it comes with the territory.
As you mentioned, Fred, it's part. It's an occupational hazard
and you know, and you just can't be a front runner.
Can't be a front runner when things are good. You know,
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if you're good with the media, when things are bad,
they'll be good to you. They'll be good to you
because they will respect you. Okay, more on that coming
up later on in the show. Up next, h Lebron
is going to choose to opt in.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
See okay, okay, throw Back Thursday. It is Rodney p
Fred Rogan.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Come on, Yeah, So here's the deal, Rodney.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
You know, despite the fact that Rich Paul said, you know, Lebron's.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Not really sure what he's gonna do. We know what
he's gonna do. He's gonna opt in. There's just no
other way to look at it. That's too much money.
He's going to opt in. Okay, and honestly, the Lakers
want him to opt in.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
That's great because they need him. So we got that.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
We've solved the mystery. Ooh, what's gonna happen. We know
what's gonna happen. He's gonna opt in.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
So that's that part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Now, let's think about what happens after the year, So
he'll have the ability to re sign, He'll have the
ability to come back to the Lakers at the completion.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
Of next season.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And I'm gonna sit here and wager Rodney, if he's healthy,
he comes back, because if he's healthy, there's no reason
not for him him to come back.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Is that fair? Uh?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yeah, that's fair. But does the are you putting a
stipulation based on the season that the Lakers have or
does it matter. If he's healthy, he's coming back regardless
if they get bounced like they did this year in
the first round or go on and win the title.
He's still coming back if he's healthy. So yeah, let's
look at it like this. If he's healthy, he's going
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to play the following year. Can we say that? Is
that fair?
Speaker 3 (20:29):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, right, we don't know where, but he's going to
play the following year. No matter what the Lakers do,
he will play another year.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I think he plays. Yeah, I think he continues to
play as long as he's healthy. I think he continues
to play. I mean, you know again, Lebron is he's
a fan of the game and always has been.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
He understands the history of the game, if you you know,
ask him questions about trip you and about things that
have happened in the past. He knows all the players,
He certainly knows the stats. So he is a big
time student and fan of of of the NBA. And
I say that because he also is very aware of
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where he sits and stands with the all time greats.
I mean we hear him, you know, mentioning it all
the time and talk about, you know, where.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
He feels he fits, you know, and that that that
debate and whether he's the best of all time or
is it Michael Jordan. And I think there's too much
for him to to build upon, for him to leave
when he's healthy, you know, blowing blowing the total points
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out of the water. He already has got most points,
and I think he wants to add to that number.
I think, being a guy that plays until he's forty five,
it's something that he can look up and go see.
Nobody else could play as long as I could play,
you know, playing with his son was something that nobody
else had ever done. So I think a lot of
those little you know, milestones and achievements are on his mind,
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which is why I believe that he will continue continue
to play as long as he's as long as he's able,
and as long as he's healthy.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Okay, so we assume he's going to play, he'll continue
on and as long as he can play, he should.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Is he the best player in the league anymore?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
No?
Speaker 3 (22:24):
Is he top ten? Yes?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
Is he a guy you'd want who could make a
difference in the right scenario?
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Absolutely? All right.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
So, now, assuming he's going to play, and let's say
the Lakers would love to have him back, Let's say
they would. Now it comes down to this, after this deal,
if he's going to return, do you think he would
take less money with the Lakers or somewhere else if
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he thought it would allow them to build a championship team.
If you think back years ago, Tim Duncan did that
so that San Antonio could build championship teams. There's no
guarantee you're gonna win, but at least they could try.
Do you think he would be that kind of guy that? Okay,
I made a ton of money, and by the way,
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I'm not playing for free, don't kid yourself, but I'll
take less now to have a better chance to win.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Do you think he would do that? What are we
talking about? Less?
Speaker 2 (23:26):
You know, I think he's due to make what fifty
four million dollars this year? Right, So if Less is
fifty million to help, you know, sign a guy. Yeah,
if we're talking take a twenty million dollar haircut, Yeah,
let's talk that. No. No, and I wouldn't. I wouldn't
advise him because I wouldn't.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Why am I taking a twenty million dollar haircut when
you know the teams are all the teams are about
to get a four hundred million dollar check from the
new TV deal and all the things that they got
going for him, and they you know, yes they cry broke,
but sell the team and you're not broke, you know whoever?
You know these mom and pop shops. So no, I'm
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not taking a twenty million dollar haircut. No, And I
think it's unfair to put that on the players. You know,
the salaries are the salaries, and it was they created
this monster. The league created this, correct, you know, so
why should the players have to go and take Less?
Figure out a way that it works for the NBA?
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well, but understand, yes, you one hundred percent right, But
we're in a cap situation here, and I'm saying if
he took a twenty million dollar haircut, as you suggested,
that gives them twenty million dollars now to go out
and invest in help for him. And let's say he's
a pretty good player, all of a sudden, they got
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better because he took less. If he continues to take
that amount, they can't go out and sign as many
good players or top notch players. Just using your twenty
million dollars as an example. No, I don't think anybody
should take a haircut. I agree you've earned that money.
And by the way, if you want to really look
at it, one of the big reasons he's paid is
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because he's him and he puts people in the seats,
so the Lakers are making money. All that is true,
but this is a cap league and you can only
spend so much. And if that's the case, if he
took lass and they could get better, you don't think
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he would consider that. And I'm not saying you should
or shouldn't. I'm just saying, do you.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I mean, I don't know if he would or not.
I don't know. I'm not in his head. I'm just
I'm looking at it from a standpoint of if it's
you know, somewhere in the ten million in under range, yeah,
I probably And I've had the career that he's had
and you know, you know, made upwards of what he's
probably made upwards of thirty million dollars for the last
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ten years, maybe less, maybe seven years he's made upwards
because the salaries kind of went crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
In the last five.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
But say that, Yeah, and I've had that career, then yeah,
if it's in the you know, ten or below. Yeah,
But when you talk about twenty million dollars, that's that
that's a that's a hefty cut.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
That's a hefty cut to take. I don't care who
you are.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Now, if he's a guy that is you know, like
in the league, he's making fifty four million dollars and
the next closest guy in the league is only making
thirty million.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
Dollars, that's a different story. That's a different story.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
But when you got guys around the league that are
making fifty and sixty million dollars, eh, eh, would you
say the same thing? Go to Luca, Hey, Luca, you
know you're about to sign a new deal. Take a
haircut on this deal. You're a young kid. You're gonna
make it up. Take take less. You know, if you're
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gonna do that to me, then you got to do
it to him. And if he's willing to do it,
then yeah, I may be willing to do it too.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Let me ask you this.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Well, First, the reason I don't think that works is because,
as you said, Luca is the young kid, and Lebron
is to a point where he's made the majority of
his money. Now fair, unfair, right or wrong, that's just
the way it is. So you're playing quarterback, all right,
and let's say you're making and when you played nobody
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made this. Well, let's say forty million dollars a year.
Rodney Pete's making forty million a year. And they come
to you and they say, Rodney, we got to get
unto the cap, we got to restructure this, we got
to figure it out. So do me a favor. If
you do this, we think we can get a super
Bowl out of it. And I'll tell you who we're
gonna sign, and I'll tell you what they bring to
the table. And you you can even sit in on this.
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Take twenty eight million, give me that twelve. Let me
go out and get you what you need. It doesn't
guarantee you're going to win, absolutely not. But does it
ensure that you've got a pretty damn good chance.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Yes it does.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Would you give that twelve million back?
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Am I the only one? Am I the only one
that they're gonna ask?
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Okay, you know what we're gonna say for the point
of this conversation. You're not the only one, but you're
the one given the most back.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
So they went to the superstar.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Defensive end Aaron Donald and say say give me five back,
give me five back. Rodney's gonna give twelve. And then
one other person says, gives three back. Get us all
under the cap, and you guys all got together. Yeah
that is that is a doable due And I'm this
is my what fifteenth year in the league, right, Yeah,
So it's a long time. I've been a long time,
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and you're gonna bring me Anthony Munho's at Barry Sanders.
We can sign those guys if you guys make this deal. Yes,
you got me a left tackle and you got me
a superstar running back.
Speaker 3 (29:12):
That's gonna put us over the top. Correct.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Yeah, I would be apt to do that deal, all right? Now,
let's try this way, Rodney. You make forty million dollars
a year. You make far more than anybody on the team.
It's not even close because we know all the salaries and.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
You make more than anybody.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
We're gonna get you what you need, but you gotta
give me twelve back. We're not taking from anyone else now,
they don't make what you make, by the way, they're
not even close. Give me twelve back. But you're the
only one we're asking for twelve back. Now, what do
you do? And with that twelve we can get you
(29:49):
Anthony Muno's and Barry Flanders. You don't get Barry Sanders.
It's not enough. But you get Barry Flanders. You got
a guy kind of like Barry Sanders.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Would you do that? Uh?
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Yeah, I'll take that twelve million dollar haircut and exchange.
I will request a two percent equity in the team. No,
we can't give you that. We're not gonna give something up.
You got to give something else up on the side.
So there's got to be something that can work out
down the road for me. So if I'm taking this haircut, now,
(30:26):
how am I gonna make that up? And I make
it up that you hire me on as a consultant
when I'm done playing, you hire me on as a
consultant for an X amount of X amount of years.
That would be equivalent of that twelve million dollars that
I gave up to you. So it could be a
fifteen year contract after I'm done playing that pays me
(30:49):
half a million dollars a year or seven fifty a year,
So whatever the number is gonna be. Yeah, we work
something out friendly basis. You know, at retirement, we'll find
a way to compensate you for what you did for us.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Now, Okay, that being said, why couldn't the Lakers do
that with Lebron?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
They could, I'm sure they could. You know, Lebron take
this haircut.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And because you're in LA and because you played for
the Lakers, there are many ways to make that money
off the court and some of the other things that
we're doing, maybe marketing wise, so you know, you can
continue on being you know, one of the faces of
the Lakers going forward. We will find a position for you.
We will find something to get you that twenty million
(31:32):
dollars that you gave to us. Now, yeah, that would
be a smart move. Okay, And and if they did that,
you'd beat You would be okay with that because he
still gets it. He just gets it differently, gets it differently. Yeah,
I would be okay with that. And if they can't
just one side, it can't be just one sided. But
I'm saying because what.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
You're saying is if they came to him and said, Lebron,
here's what we can get, and we think this, this
is the missing piece, and you'll agree, by the way, Lebron,
this could be the missing piece. Good, we're all on
the same page. Give me that twenty million back and
let's go win a title. And Lebron says okay, and
and their response is, and let's go win a title.
(32:13):
There's nothing else to it. Just give me that money back.
You wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
No, no, no, no. I'd sign a contract for a
reason and you guys agreed to it. And that's that's
the way it is. But he'd be a free agent
because it's a scale. It's scale. Oh so we're tying signed,
(32:39):
We're got time. I give them money back.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Now we're talking about just take quacking less, So just
take less on a news How about that?
Speaker 3 (32:47):
That's a different story.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's a different story than I'm set to make fifty
four million dollars. Now you want me to make thirty
four million dollars, you know, and and give twenty back.
And as opposed to ok Lebron, we want to sign
you to a two year, one hundred and twenty million
dollar contract, and that's what you agreed to. And then
right up on signing day of that, they come to
(33:12):
you and go, wait a minute, hold on, we got
a chance to get this.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
They can't. No, no, no, you can't do that. Yeah,
the NBA, you can't even renegotiate contracts like that.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
No no, no, he doesn't. He doesn't sign it. He
doesn't sign it. It's just verbal like we're we're talking here.
No you can't talk that. No no, no, no, you
can't do that.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
Why not? No, you can't go here's your two year deal?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
No no, no, no. It's not putting it down, you're not
signing anything. It's just it's just verbally talking like.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
It's understood that this is what we're gonna what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, we think we're going to be in that neighborhood
of one twenty for two years. No, no, no, And
he goes there and they go wait. In the next day,
they go, oh my god, we got a chance to
sgn KD No at this number?
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Can you take a hundred? No, a hundred and twenty? No, No,
you can't do that. But what I'm saying is now
he's a free agent, he's available. Laker said, we want
you back. We're gonna pay you twenty eight million dollars.
You made fifty four last year. We're gonna pay you
twenty eight. If we pay you twenty eight, we can
do this, this and this. But you're only getting twenty eight.
(34:12):
You're not getting fifty four. What do you say to that?
And who am I getting? And who the Lakers getting?
Whoever they're getting, they're getting gi honest, they're getting somebody.
They're getting two guys that are really good, two guys
that everybody goes, oh my god, you've got those guys now,
(34:32):
and you want me to you want me to take
twenty eight yep, And you're getting ready to sign Luca
to a max deal. He signed, he's already got it.
He's already got his Max deal. He's done. And so
you don't go to him at all either, No, he's done,
(34:56):
he's done. Lebron's a free agent, Lebron, will you take
twenty eight?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
I'd be more apt to take twenty eight if I'm
a free agent. Yeah, I look at it differently. If
I'm a free agent and I'm in here twenty two
and you know they can sign Giannis and and one
other player, that's big time as well. Yeah, I might
be up to do that as a free agent. But
(35:25):
not taking the salary off my pocket. Out of my pocket, though,
that's the difference. I'm set to make fifty four. All right, Well,
let me take it out of my pocket.
Speaker 1 (35:36):
No, no, we're not gonna put our hand in your pocket.
I promise we're not going to do that. And if
we get to be a little creepy, you don't answer
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Speaker 3 (36:45):
All right and now from the court to the court
Room with Jacob m Rani.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Okay, now our weekly chat wether good friend, Jacob m Ronnie. Jacob,
how are you today?
Speaker 5 (36:57):
I am doing wonderful. How are you, Fred? How are
you right?
Speaker 2 (37:00):
Me doing fantastic, Jacob, fantastic. I'm still hanging over from
the Yeah, I'm still hanging over.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
From the weekend, Jacob. Ate too much food and laid
on the counters too much.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
You were hanging out with Magic on the weekend.
Speaker 3 (37:16):
I was, I was. I was every time.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Anytime he's got free food and food trucks lined up
at his house, I'm there, Jacob, I'm coming.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
That doesn't he usually do that, Rodney? Is that the
Memorial Day of Many Hands? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:30):
Yeah, yeah, so he uh yeah, he has a Memorial
Day event and he usually has like ten food trucks
that line up from in and out Burger to tacos
to uh lobster and just everything you can think of,
and then every type of sweet dessert that you can
think of as well. So he's uh, yeah, it's just
(37:52):
very laid back and chill and music and cards and
dominoes and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
That people like. You know.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
What I mean about that, Rodney, is the fact that
he's enjoying life is short. He's enjoying it, and he
brings all of his great friends like yourself and all
of the other guys around, and you know, he's and
he enjoys it with his friends and he makes some memories.
I love that. So so I'm glad you you know,
I'm glad you had a good Memorial Day.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yeah, now he does. You're absolutely right, And it was
good to see. And what's what's good about it too,
as you said, bringing all his his friends around and
his old buddies.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
They were I would say nine or ten of the showtime.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Guys that were there as well that he still hangs
out with on a regular basis, from you know, Byron
Scott to Coop to James Worthy and Kurt Rambis, and
I mean it just it was really great to see
all those guys kind of telling stories and and just
being a fly on a wall.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
I was talking to Coop and he told me that's
where you guys all wore, and he said it's a
great time. So yeah, great, good stuff.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
That's so, that's how Magic barbecues. He just invites like
ten food trucks to him. A lot of people go
out and get around the grills over the food trucks.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, I'm not cooking any steaks on the grill, no
barbecue chicken or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
Why not? Why do I need to do that? Uh? Hey,
Jacob So on the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
Uh well, first, before we get to that, do you
have any interesting lost stories you can share cases you've tried,
situations you've been in that you think that would be
fascinating or that ended up the wrong way?
Speaker 5 (39:32):
Well, you know, I mean, unfortunately, yeah, I have. You know, everyone,
every attorney you talk to, they only want to talk
about their successes and their wins. And unfortunately, the things
that stick with me is when a case doesn't go
really well because a client doesn't really want to you know, listen,
you know, to your advice, and you know, I will
always remember a case that we had where and a
(39:55):
really nice lady had a foot and fall at a
grocery store, and you know, we had representing her for
about three years. We had had an offer for her
on the table, and just so you know, slip and
fall and trip and fall cases are all very dangerous
because you never know what a jury is going to
come back with, whether they're going to believe that the
(40:17):
store had a duty in order to clean whatever mess
was on the floor, did they have enough time. But anyways,
so we had a nice offer for this lady and
she came in to look and see if she was
to accept this offer, how much after paying medical bills,
paying off attorney fees, how much would she net. And obviously,
(40:38):
every client, you know, wants to be compensated at the
highest level, but this particular client wanted more money that
was available, so she decided to bring her husband, and
her husband came in and didn't even give us an
opportunity to speak. We had a you know, four hundred
and fifty thousand dollars offer on the table, and you know,
(40:58):
she was going to net about one hundred twenty five
thousand dollars because she had a lot of medical bills,
and her husband was adamant that his wife should be
getting half of you know, the offer, So the wife
should get two hundred and twenty five thousand, and we
kept saying, there's no way that's going to happen, and
if we go to trial, there's a chance she'll get less. Now,
I know a lot of people hear that, and a
(41:18):
lot of attorneys try to caution their clients just just
because you go to court doesn't mean you will do better. Actually,
sometimes you may do worse. And the husband had you know,
didn't want to hear it, slammed you know, his keys
on the table. I mean, I clearly remember it from
seven years ago, grabbed his wife literally physically and pulled
her out of the office. And we're not talking. We're
(41:39):
going to trial. So what are we supposed to do.
We're a week away from trial. There's nothing we can do. Normally,
in those situations when we don't have crime control, we
can even ask to be you know, to be relieved
from the case because we understand what could occur. But
in this situation, it was too close to trial. We
go to trial and a jury comes back with only
(42:01):
a fifty thousand dollars verdict oh out. Not only is
that a bad result, but they didn't really believe that
she was as injured as she said. It didn't even
get to liability about who's at fault. They were worried
about she was overdoing her injuries. And understand that people
(42:23):
like to give money or give you a verdict to
people they like, and unfortunately she wasn't the most likable client.
But that doesn't mean we're not going to fight for her.
And I remember for three years after that, she would
call me every few months and let me know that
because we only got fifty thousand, all the medical providers
were going after her. She was in collections, and luckily
(42:46):
for us, we had her sign a letter of understanding
and a waiver that she clearly was taking on the
risk of going to trial, knowing that she could even
walk away with zero. So you know, we always kept
telling her, hey, you signed that letter, and she understood.
But now she went from somebody who is being very,
very hard and upset to being the sweetest person in
(43:08):
the world because now she needed us to help her
with all of those collections stuff. And it still sort
of pulls up my heart string because she could have
walked away with you know, getting paid, but for her
husband wanted to be a tough guy and wanted to
force us. And unfortunately, sometimes cases don't go well. And
that's important for clients to know that sometimes you can't
(43:29):
get you know, too greedy, you can't push too much,
and a burd in hand is always better, you know,
than something that you're chasing. So when you say, do
I remember something and something that didn't go well, yeah,
we have our cases that don't go well. Thank god,
they are far and far in few based on what
we do that go well versus don't. But this is
one that I always will remember.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
Dang, Jason Jacob, I wonder do you do you get
a lot of that because now there's so much information,
like you know, Chad GBT or Google people, you know,
the Google lawyer out there. Can you know, go and
try to think that they can be a lawyer?
Speaker 3 (44:07):
Are they they watch.
Speaker 2 (44:08):
Suits on TV or something like that and think they
can go do it themselves and don't take your opinions
and you're expertise.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
Yeah, we absolutely do that. And it's not necessarily because
of the chat shebt. Everybody was watching Law and Order.
I can't tell you how often people tell us why
it's taking us so long to get a case settled,
and it's because obviously, when you watch law and order
or suits, within a matter of one hour, the case
occurs and they're already in trial fifteen minutes later. And unfortunately,
(44:39):
that's you know, that's not how law occurs, and that's
not how litigation occurs, that's not how going to court occurs.
So we do get a lot of that, and client
control is probably one of the most difficult parts, you know,
of what we do, because everybody always feels like their
case is worth multimillion dollars because they see all these
instagram you know, hosts about all this money that you
(45:02):
know that's been recovered. But we always tell them every
case is different and managing expectations is very important. So yes,
that is one of the toughest things that we have
to do and manage.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
You know, my mother wanted me to be an attorney, Jacob,
that's what you wanted me to be, but I went
into a job that didn't require as much schooling. I
just started speaking and got paid for it. But I
still think it would have been fun to be an attorney.
Speaker 5 (45:27):
Well, I think you'd be a great attorney. I think
I think you are very convincing. You're a storyteller, and
I always tell people. To be a good attorney that
goes to court, you need to be a good storyteller.
And I always tell my team the attorneys that go
to court on a daily basis, that you're telling a
story of our clients. You need to get to know
(45:47):
the client. You need to get the ins and outs
of their life so that you can tell the story
about their life and you can fight for them. So, Fred,
I actually think you'd be a great attorney.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
Ah, come on, Jacob, come on.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Now, there's a fine line between a storyteller and a
damn liar.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Come on, Jacob.
Speaker 2 (46:06):
Fred would annoy Fred would have Fred would annoy the
judge so much that he would lose seventy five percent
of his cases.
Speaker 3 (46:15):
Oh my god, No offense, Fred, no offense, No offense?
Speaker 1 (46:20):
Probably Rodney. All right, Jake, have you want to leave
it with a tip for today or no?
Speaker 5 (46:28):
You know what? Yeah, I got to tell you. Everyone's
coming back. Everyone's going coming back from the Memorial weekend.
We have had a very busy week. I just want to,
you know, really congratulate the people that have been listening
to us for so many years since I've been on
and actually taking the information we give them and actually
putting it into practice, because I can't tell you how
(46:50):
many people call and said, listen to you on, you know,
on Rogan and Rodney and uh, I took what you
told me and I'm calling you him at the scene
of the accident or at the hospital, and I just
wanted to chat with you. And that just makes it
so much easier for us to help people. So I'm
so glad that we are able to help people.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
All right, Well, we're glad you're with us and one
of our partners and more importantly, one of our friends.
So Jacob, thank you for coming on today and we'll
talk to you next week.
Speaker 3 (47:15):
Bye, guys.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
You know, it's kind of weird. The Rams may have
the best roster, but they're not favored to win the
NFC West, so we have to explore that. And when
we come back, Dan Woiki, our NBA insider, joins us
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