May 29, 2025 • 36 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
And we continue on Fred Rogan, Rodney, Pete se La Sports.
All Right, Dodgers off today, Rodney, recovering from that road trip.
They get back at it tomorrow night at the stadium
against the Yankees. Everybody is very excited. Everybody's excited that
the Yankees will be in town. Anytime New York and
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LA play, it's always a big deal. But given what
happened in the World Series last year, Rodney, I think
Yankee fans are probably a little more jazz than normal
because they would like to exact their revenge. They would
like to show the Dodgers, they would like to stick
it to them. They owe them. Here's the thing, They're
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not getting any revenge. Whatever happens, they're not paying them back.
It has nothing to do with what happened last year. Nothing. Now,
maybe if you're a Yankee fan psychologically, you want to
put yourself in that position and think, well, well, we're
gonna get them this time. It doesn't matter. This time
wasn't last time, and last time was the time that mattered.
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So I think that as we approach these three games,
which will be great, and if you've got a ticket,
you're the luckiest person in town. And if you want
to be part of the atmosphere, you should. But if
you're a New York fan and you think, well, we're
gonna pay you back, there's no payback. You missed your
window that that part of this drama is over, Roddney.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but this is this is a mid
season world series, still fred for Yankee fans.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Is that safe to say?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, it's a mid seasons it's a mid season world series,
and this is a big deal. I'm you know, obviously
there's a there's a lot of New York and a
lot of Yankee fans all over the globe and all
over the world, especially here in southern Californi, and you
a lot of New Yorkers live here and die hard
Yankee fans. But I'm just I'm curious how many Yankee
fans actually came out and traveled for this weekend. You know,
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people love to come to California summertime, vacation, whatever. And
put this in the in the put this in the
calendar for I'm going to go out to La to
see the Yankees play the Dodgers because this is, uh,
this will be a mid season world series for us,
and I want to be a part of it, So
there will be some There will be a number of
Yankee fans in attendance at Dodge Stadium for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
There's no question for this one. Yeah. Yeah. People use
it as an opportunity to take a trip. Yeah, you know,
and we used to take baseball trips all the time.
NFL is so look at the NFL season. The reason
that schedule release is so important to so many people
is because the minute that comes out, people start planning
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to take trips, book hotels. You know what, I want
to see the Chiefs play the Ravens. I'm going to Baltimore,
or I'm going to camp the city to see the
Chiefs play the Packers. What if you're from Green Bay.
So people do plan trips around this. We find in
hockey all the time when you get teams coming in
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from the eastern part of Canada, Toronto, Montreal. Oh, people
are always here. It's a vacation. Yeah. They get to
tell you about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And you know, the Yankees just finished up playing the
angel so you got a full week of it.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You come out and you see the Yankees play the Angels,
and now you get to see them play the Dodgers,
and it's a full West coast trip, and it's a
you know, load up the wagon, Fred and throw the
family in the bag, and let's go. Let's go, let's go,
let's go. We've got to get Disneyland on the way too. Yeah,
why not make a week out of it? And I'm
sure that's going to happen. Also, we know there were
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a number of transplanted New Yorkers here, So the Yankees
will be represented at Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I believe they will be roundly shouted down by the
number of Dodger fans at a tend I mean, this
is not an NFL game where the visiting team outnumbers
the home team. This is Dodger Stadium, and at Dodger Stadium,
the home fans will roundly shout out anybody else. But
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as these New York people look for revenge, and I
was reading about that earlier today, there's no revenge. There's
just not gonna be any You can't have it. It
doesn't matter. See that's the thing that's so funny about sports.
Dodgers won the World Series beat the Yankees. Yankees looked bad.
Yankees made mistakes, metal mistakes, physical mistakes. Dodgers took advantage
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and beat them. Done. You can't go backwards now and go, well,
if we beat you this time, it's like we beat
you in the World Series. No, it'sruly not. It has
nothing to do with that. If the two teams meet
again this year in the World Series and things turn
out differently, then you can make that statement. You can say, yeah, okay,
we owed you one and we got it. That's our revenge.
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But don't mistake what happens during the regular season for
the playoffs, because they're two entirely different animals. Now, the
question for the Dodgers, I don't have the answer. Well,
by the way, they signed a reliever, Alexis Diaz. I
think they picked him up from yes, captain from from
the Reds. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they just signed him because
we're back to where we were. So many guys are
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hurting the bullpen now. It's like the one year they
put a guy in we'd never seen before. All of
a sudden, he's pitching. I thought they picked him up
on a bus stop on Wilshire Boulevard. Yea, and the
guy did pretty well. But I mean we're kind of
not that's where we're at again. Yeah, again hurt. So
many guys are hurt.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
You're gonna start saying guys on the hill, Like you said, Fred,
we don't know who is that guy or or you know,
you're going to see a guy trot out there with
the number sixty eight the number, or or a guy
wearing number eighty seven, you know, pitching on the hill.
Numbers that you don't normally see in baseball. You're gonna
see him because there's a new face that came to town.
They just had to get an open number to put
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it on him and trot him out there on the hill.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But yeah, I hope not. And then to think about,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Does this change there their trade deadline plans right when
it hits in late July? Is it is it going
to be? You know, were going into the season. We
don't have to focus on pitching. We'll see where we
are and if there's a position player or somebody we
need to add, we can add that. But I don't
think in their minds they were thinking, we gotta we
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got to really focus on the pitching here at this
trade deadline because everybody's hurt. What are we going to do?
But now it's a complete one eighty from that thought
process going into the season, and they may not have
to focus on it, by the way, Oh it may not.
Hobody could be back.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, but one thing, one area of concern, and I
think it's real. And I know it's the regular season
and we're in May, and really things are gonna start
to pick up here int of July. But I think
now it's something to keep an eye on, and that's
Tanner Scott, who has struggled big time. Dodger bullpen has
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blown twelve save this year. As of yesterday, they were
tied with the Red Sox for the most blown saves.
I think of those twelve, Tanner Scott has five, and
really we can give him yesterday's two because if that
hadn't happened, maybe Vessi wouldn't have had to come in
and give up that home run. So we're gonna give
him that one.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yesterday, I think, I think, well, yeah, the runners on
base were his, that's right, Yeah, the runners on base
were his, So you know, and the guy comes up
and it's the three on one homer off of Vessia,
but the runners on base that Tanner Scott was the one.
And he also allowed him to tie the game as well.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, so he has struggled and they're trying to figure
out the reason why. Now they're human beings, and the
Dodgers are very good at working with people. What's interesting
is you wouldn't expect a guy they signed to a
four year deals, the best closer in baseball to be
struggling with this, which apparently is throwing the ball right
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down the middle, not being able to get guys out.
And that's your job, is the closer? Is he going
to work on it? Of course? And is it going
to be Okay? Yeah, it probably will be, and it's
a bump in the road. But still this is happening
way too often. So it makes you think one of
two things. A and I mentioned this yesterday. Okay, we're
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not gonna you're not gonna close. We need to work
on this. How we do it? And Rodney, your position is, well,
if you don't put them out there, or how is
he gonna work on it? Yeah, And I'm saying I
think it is demoralizing when your closer blows games. I
think that's perhaps the most immoralizing thing a team can
go through. When the guide paid to shut it down. Blows.
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It happens. Nobody's perfect, but it's happening a lot. So
one option is, you're not going to close. We'll put
you in a little earlier, We'll let you work on
some stuff. You are closer, but we're just gonna give
you a pause here. And the other thing is maybe
there's something wrong with him. We don't know. These kinds
of things seem to pop up. I didn't know he
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had a hamstring. Me neither, but it's apparently bothering him.
So we're gonna have to, you know, let him sit
for a while here and get better. Yeah, we don't know.
We don't know if that's the case, but we do
know this that after a tough outing, you have a responsibility.
It's an occupational hazard when you're a pro athlete, and
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you really have a responsibility. With Dodgers, you need to
address the media. Not the media is great and you
should fear the media, but you do because the media
is the conduit immediately after the game to the fans.
So you need to address the media, and the media
will have questions. The fans only ask that you're honest.
That's all they ask. And even at a time of emotion,
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try to be as honest as you can, and it's
hard because you are a motion after you lose a
game like that, he did not address the media. Now
Alex Vessi, who gave up that home run, did address
the media. He's been here a few years. He has
some equity with the fans. That's what David Vassa said
last night. We'll let you hear all of it in
a second. He has equity with the fans. He understands
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the responsibility. But Tanner Scott did not. So let's listen
to David Vassy.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Tanner Scott obviously has not been the same Tanner Scott
from a year ago. It's utterly frustrating. And if you're
Tanner Scott and you're the closer and you're making more
than anybody else in that bullpen, you should be standing
at your locker after the game today. You know, Kenley
Jansen used to get criticized early in his closing career
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after he blew saves rare saves by the way with
the Dodgers, that he wasn't at his locker to be accountable.
Where was Tanner Scott today? He did not speak to
the media. You've got to be there. It shouldn't be
just Alex Vesia. Sorry, Alex Vesia had to try to
clean up a mess. Alex Vessi is a two time
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World Series champion. He has credibility with this fan base.
Tanner Scott, you don't.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Rodney pulls no punches there Fred David Batsey telling it
like it is. And David is you know, as we know,
he's best in the business at covering the team and
knows his stuff and it is around those guys all
the time and has in depth relationships with all those guys,
and he's seen a lot of things over the years
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and this one and we know Dave, he he walks
that that line.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I think better than.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Better than most people I've ever seen in terms of
being straight up and also happened to be around those
guys all the time. That's not easy because you you
gotta be sometimes you got to be critical of the
guys that you're around, and that's not always an easy
thing to do and walk that tight rope. But he
does it great. But he he was absolutely spot on.
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If you it is an obligation, it is part of
the deal when you're a professional athlete, is talking and
being accessible to the media because that is and I
know we live in the social media world where everybody's
got their own their own voice and they can have
their own platform to say what they want to say.
But also the media is the pipeline to the fan base,
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and so you have to be able to be accessible
for them. And and and it's look, it's it's not
only at the convenient times either.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It has to be wind loser draw.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You have to make yourself available and stand up and
take your medicine and if it's bad and.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Celebrate if it's good.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
So uh that that that was disappointing that he was
not not available to to talk to the media afterwards.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, And I also think that you do need to
build up some equity in the market. I think you
have to earn the right if you choose not to
do that, not to do that, does that make sense. Yeah,
if there's a time you choose, I just can't do it.
I don't want to talk after the game for whatever reason.
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You've built up enough equity here where people go, Okay,
we got a tanner. Not if you just got here,
that's a different story. You have to build that credibility.
You have to build that equity, and basically it sounds terrible.
You know what, you've been struggling. You got to wear it.
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You got to wear it. Yeah, yeah, people want you
to wear it. They want you to say, I have
been struggling. If you do that, guess what happens. That's
a good guy. He gets it, Rodney, he gets it.
He's one of us. He understands. God, we're pulling for him.
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That's the guy we're rooting for. But if you don't
talk to anybody, what happens? What's wrong with that guy? Yeah?
I know that guy wouldn't be you know, you know
how people are.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Why is he ducking? Why is he duck in this?
What does he got to hide? Oh, that's not a
he's not a stand up guy. And all those things
will come out, you know, none of them really are true,
but that is the That is a perception people will
take away of you not standing up and being and
holding yourself accountable for what just happened. And look, it's
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a different, different story if it's it's something that you
don't do right, and you whether you win the game
and have a great game or lose a game, you
just simply do not do not speak to the media,
and if you do, it's very little.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know you you know you.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Do Marshawn Lynch, right, he just he let everybody know
early on that I don't do interviews after the game,
or I don't do interviews at all, period. And then
it became a mandatory, mandatory thing where you have to
make yourself available. So he would do the I'm just
here because I don't want to get fined with every
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single question that someone asked him. But he was a
guy that if he had if he ran for three
hundred yards or he ran for two yards and fumbled
three times, he never talked to the media and to
his deal, so you couldn't fault him either other way.
Now people got upset, but he was the same guy.
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But you cannot be a guy that only talks to
the media when things are good.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You have to do it both ways.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And that's when, as you mentioned, Fred, the fans will
respect you and start to really root for you if
you can come clean and say, listen, I had I
had a terrible day and I was awful out there,
and I got to get better and I got I
gotta go study the tape and see what's going on,
whether it's my mechanics or my location. But I got
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to be better than this. And you leave it at
that and go about your business. At least show up.
At least show up, you know after an NFL game.
Sean McVay is the best at this. He is really
the best, and I think he was the first one
in this city to do it. If the Rams got beat,
the first thing he says is, this one's on me,
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even if it wasn't on him. Oh, this one's on me.
I gotta do a better job. I didn't do my job.
They weren't prepared. Granted, you didn't expect somebody to fumble
the ball trying to score on the two yard line
when time runs out and lose. But nonetheless this I
did this. We all got to get better here, you
think I gotta get better. We got to get better.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
As coaches. We have to do Okay, that takes the
steam out of everything. That deflects everything right off the bat.
It's on me, even if it's not, it's on me.
There you go. If Tanner Scott stands up and goes,
I gotta be honest with you. I have really, really
been struggling getting guys out. Another example, is it gonna
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be easy for me to sleep on this flight home?
Absolutely not. I'll tell you one thing I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna get back to LA and start looking at
some tapes and talking to Mark Pryor, and I'm gonna
get this thing settled and solved and figured out, because
I don't want to do this to my teammates. If
he does that, it's not even a conversation. And then
what's the follow up to that? You suck, You're a liar.
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You're not really gonna try those things. We don't believe you. You
don't feel bad. There's no follow up to that. Once
you do that, nobody can say anything. You diffuse the
whole situation. When you're playing quarterback for the Eagles. The
classic story, you throw like three touchdowns, you win the game,
and you throw one pick before halftime, and the first
question is why do you throw the interception? Yeah? Right, Hey,
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we just won, this is great, We're going to the
title game. It threw a pick in the first quarter, buddy,
what was with that? If you had a bad game
playing and I'm sure occasionally you didn't have a great one.
It would just be the law of averages. You might
have had a bad game in your career. I think
it's okay if you came out afterward and said, I
got to tell you something. I had a bad game today.
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Nobody's more upset about it than me. And it didn't
go you know, I whatever you did, but I did it,
it's on me.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Then what are people going to say to you, Rodney? Oh,
you know, they they would respect that, right, They respect that.
He's a stand up guy. He's he's looking out for
for his for his teammates. And I, you know, I
oftentimes fell on the sword for my guys. And you know,
a guy dropped a touchdown pass or or you know,
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didn't get the first down a particular play, and I,
you know, I would often say, you know, maybe I
threw a little bit behind him, fall was a little high,
you know a little higher in that situation.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I gotta put it more on his body.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, there would be things like you would say
to protect your guys, so you don't want to throw
anybody under the bus.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And people respect you for that.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And that's just uh, just a fact, and and and
and it's also your way because nowadays, you have to
connect with your fan base, and the fan base, especially
the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
They are loyal to you and they love you, and
they will go to war for you.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And but you gotta you gotta reciprocate, and you gotta
give them something back and they will respect you more.
And the tough times that you come clean and be
a stand up guy.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Hey do you swipe right? Do you swipe left? Are
you on tender? You better rethink that. Yeah, oh huh
oh yeah. Just let the music play, Ronnie. That's all
I want to do is let the music play.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Come on throw Back Thursday, Rodney Pete, fred Roe, Yes, baby, yes,
come on, Freddy.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So you and I don't know this, to be very
honest with you, because we're both married, been married.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
For a while, a lot of years, yes, a lot
of years. I'm coming up on thirty years fad next week.
How about that?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Congratulations?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yes, sir, Holly put a post on on ig and
on a X A young Rodney Pete a little flat
top working, yeah, Rodney.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, going back to the nineties. That was in style
back then. Kel Yeah, yeah, man yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Thirty years coming up next week, man, So it definitely
we talked about time flying at time does fly.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Let me put it like this, If you're there thirty years,
you're there, Yeah, I mean you're not, you're that's it.
You're there. Yeah, Well you mean you're not. You're not
looking for looking for new love. That's it. You're good,
you're you're fine. You're there, thirty years, you're Yeah. You
locked down, baby, you locked in. You're not going anywhere. So,
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uh so we don't. We didn't really didn't do this,
but I'm sure a lot of you did tender right.
And on Tender, the way it worked was you look
at a picture, you'd swipe one way or you'd swipe
the other, and then people would reach out to you.
I have a friend. I'm not going to use this
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person's name. Some people at the station may remember the
stories that was the master of Tender. Wow, couldn't tell
you how many people this thing. I know this person is,
I think I know this person is. Yeah, let me
tell you what this person. This person had a working
This person got to know a lot of people on tender.
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M hmmm. And there was a period of time where
that's really how you hooked up on tender. But what's
fascinating is things have changed now and dating isn't what
it used to be, and it's basically gen Z. And
here's why the gen zs are not hooking up as much.
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They're not using tender to do that anymore. Because tender
as you'd hook up with somebody. Yeah, yeah, there what
it was.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
She called it the hookup because exactly what it was, right,
And and boy, can you imagine if tender was around
when you're in our single.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Days back back then.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I mean the way, like you said, the way it works.
And these are strangers, right, it's strangers. You see a
picture and you read there, I guess read their profile. Okay,
I live here, you live there. Let's hook up and
they hook up. And when we say hook up, they
hook up.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's exactly how it works. Crazy.
That's crazy to me and how popular it has been.
But to show you what technology has done, and that
was of a big part of the dating scene for
a while. Technology and AI have changed things dramatically again.
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Gen Z has the attention span of a gnat. Now,
I always thought I had the attention span of a gnat,
but I'm not even normally closed young people have an
attention span of about ninety seconds. And I'm probably being
kind and it's because of the way they've grown up
with technology and they believe. They believe that they want
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what they want immediately when they want it, and they
want it to be perfect. They want what they want
and they want it to be perfect. They're not really
interested in getting to know somebody. They want to know
quickly is this perfect? Because that's what technology has done
in a world where you can get whatever you want
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quickly on your phone, information, you can reach out to somebody,
you can make a phone call, you can communicate with
anybody in the world, you can watch whatever you want
to watch. Well, that mentality carries through and now whatever
they do, they want it to be perfect. So the
first thing is they're not really into sifting through these
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pictures and determining well, I don't think so, maybe they
don't want that. That's the first thing. The second thing
is apparently they're not having as much sex because they
only want to have sex with the person that's perfect,
and they can't find that person and they don't want
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to take the time to look. So the thrill of
the chase and the hunt is over. It doesn't exist
for younger people anymore. They look at things differently. And lastly,
and this is the biggest issue, And did you ever
think it would come to this? Because they want perfection
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and they can't find it. Many people are now communicating
with AI to get what they need emotionally. Think about
how absurd that is to get what you need, because
emotionally the keyword, right, because you can't find anything that
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is perfect, because that's what you expect, despite the fact
that it's virtually impossible to find that in one second.
And the truth of the matter is nothing is ever perfect.
But because you can't find that, you are now taping
into your phone or on a computer, and that is
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providing you the emotional support you need. A machine is
providing you with that emotional support. Think about that someone
you'll never talk to, someone you'll never talk to, something
you'll never talk to, and honestly, you will never hear
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the sound of that machine's voice. And if you do,
you know it's artificial. And that's how you're getting emotional support.
And people would prefer to do that then be on
tender communicate with AI because in their mind, because of
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the algorithms, AI will tell them exactly what they want
to hear.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
They that's two different things, and it's two different things.
You know, people don't go on ad on tender to
get emotional support. They go on tender to get physical support. Yeah,
and you can't get physical support on AI. Now if
you want the emotional support, which is again weird in
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itself as you mentioned, and you're going to AI instead
of you know, going to see a live therapist or
having to call in a friend over and just having
a real deep conversation with that friend. People are turning
to AI to get that.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
That is.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Absurd in itself because you're basically trying to get feelings
from a machine. That doesn't make sense. But timber thing
Tender is different. I mean, like I said, I don't
think people go they don't go on tender to find
that emotional support.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Well, but the problem is when they go on TENDER,
they're looking for perfection, whatever their definition of that is.
They want it to be perfect because of the world
they grew up in, because they can get what they
want when they want it, and when they don't find that,
they're not getting that level of support. So then they
turn to AI and start communicating. But you know what
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that does. And if you you know, AI is your
friend and you've named AI whatever and it has a
little name, what that's doing, ultimately is putting you in
a world of isolation. You have no human contact. You're isolating,
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the machine is conveying thoughts to you, and you are
becoming emotionally involved with the machine, which does what which
isolates you even further. Think about that. Think about it
if you didn't talk to anybody but typed into the
computer and the computer was telling you what you wanted
to hear, and you had no human contact. Now now
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you don't even have to type, you just talk, just
having a real conversation back and forth.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You know, you don't have to necessarily type. You just
tell it, Hey, I'm feeling this way this morning. I'm
feeling a little down because of this. And they you know,
you just your e're sitting up to having a thirty
minute conversation with AI. Yeah, it's a it's a it's
a it's it's fascinating, but it's scary at the same
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time time, because that that was that has been the
issue with a lot of folks lately, especially you know
and our age group, talking about young kids as young
you know, the younger generation, they don't really talk to
each other anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
It's through text or through social media. There's not a.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Whole lot of sit down interaction. We talk about that
a lot at dinner. You know, when you're dinner with
your kids or family. You know, everybody's on their phones,
you know, during during dinner time instead of having a
real conversation across the turn, across the table. And the
way it's going as you just mentioned, you know, it's
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it's becoming less and less evident that people are wanting
to have those human interactions. They'd rather do it with
a machine than talk to somebody that's real.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
The CEO of Tender says gen Z eighteen to twenty eight,
not a hookup generation. They don't drink as much. I
don't know what's wrong with them. They don't drink as much.
I mean that's when people used to drink.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, and they don't have as much suse other things
that they do instead of drinking nowadays.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Well, he says, they're going to adapt their products to
accept that reality. I don't know what that means for Tender.
Maybe you swipe left, swipe light right, and there's an
AI bot there.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Maybe maybe, yeah, maybe it's Yeah, it's the cuddle the
cuddle generation. Friend, need I just want to talk. I
don't want to do anything physical. They don't hook up
as much. That's interesting, and that's weird. Yeah, that's very weird.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It's, you know, the cuddle generations. They just want to talk. Well,
you know, you and I have been married for a
long time, and I know both of our wife say, well,
you just shut up and stop talking. Yes, yes, dude,
you know what, fred that's too many words enough. Yeah, well,
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I guess it's spans for all generations. All right, we're
back to wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, come on, Freddy, let's wind it down on his
throwback Thursday. It's been great, great, great, great, always spending
time with our people for it, you know it.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I know people are making a big deal out of
the fact if it's the Pacers and Thunder in the
NBA Finals, this is bad for the league. It's bad
for TV. First, it's not bad for the league. The
league got paid, the league doesn't care, really didn't matter
the league. They got theirs right, And then there's a
feeling who yeah, yeah, so I mean they're fine. Then
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there's a feeling. Well, you know who's going to care. Well,
if you like the NBA, you're going to care. Understand this,
We do this for a living. We talk about sports
all the time. But here's the harsh reality of life.
We care a lot, but most people don't. So why
would something do a better number? If it's major markets,
if there's a great storyline behind it, if there's a
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personality that transcends. So you have the Dodgers and the
Yankees in the World Series, New York LA that did
very well, Shoheyo Tani, Aaron Judge that did very well. Right,
the NBA Finals probably won't do the numbers of the
World Series. I mean, we know Lou Dort plays for
Oklahoma City. My son Jack played with him at Arizona State.
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They have SGA, who's a terrific player in the MVP
of the league. Indiana has Tyrese Haliburton. Okay, nobody knows
who he is, Sorry they don't. He's very good, but
he plays in Indianapolis, so nobody really knows him yet.
But he's been good for a while. I don't think
it really matters much. I mean, ABC, ESP and Disney,
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you know they think it matters too.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It doesn't matter to the NBA, but doesn't You don't
You don't think it matters to ABC and ESPN.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, here's why, Well, it matters a little bit. Here's
why they're already going to sell it. The way this
works is they go out and they talk to their
their national advertisers and their sponsors, and they sell them
a rating point or an impression number. Let's just work
with ratings. It's old school. We think the game is
going to do. These games will do an eight rating.
(33:41):
I'm making it up for the totality. If it doesn't
eight two, okay, you guys got what you paid for.
If it doesn't seven five, we owe your bonus weight.
We owe you more spots, and we'll figure out a
way to get those in. We'll make good. You'll get
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your spots, and everybody's a winner here. You really want
things to hit the target because then you don't have
to give them the bonus spots. But if they don't,
you just make good. Move on. It's a price, a
price of doing business. So yeah, they'd like it to
be a great rating, but I can guarantee you, in
today's world, what does a great rating the NFL. Yeah,
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and that's about it. Yeah, Yeah, it's still king.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Right, NFL is always and has been and still is
the King in a mountain.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
And maybe it's still once a week thing.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's not on as often, but it's still the sport
in which well in a lot of ways, right TV,
the viewership, but also betting, gambling and all facets.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
It's bigger.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
But yeah, you know, and as we talked to Dan Woiki,
there are new faces of the league too, you know
with Halliburton and Runson and you know you've got s
g A and and ant Man. So there's a changing
of the guard happening in the NBA. If if we're
looking and we're watching Steph Curry play Lebron James in
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the Western Conference Finals, the rating would probably be through
the roof, wouldn't it be? Absolutely it's different. Yeah, and
it's definitely different.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, I think this. I think the Stanley Cup finals
this year. Yeah, in Florida and Edmonton.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
And Edmonton your team, Fred, your team, your team. But
it does it does the sting go off a little
bit that if they go on and win it all? No,
the fact that King's got bounced by them, does it
take the sting off for you a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
No, it makes me more mad, It makes me more
matt The King should have beat them. I don't care.
If they're Oh, they're so good, nobody can beat them.
Well we should beat them. Well we can't, they're that good.
Then we're making excuses. We should figure it out. But
I'll bet you if that series happens, that'll be a
more exciting series to watch in the NBA. But the
NBA will do a better number because that's just the
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way it works. It is what it is, pretty simple.
So yeah, the league would rather have the Knicks. Everybody
would rather have the Knicks. It's probably a better story.
But if it's Indiana, it's gonna do what it's gonna do,
and I don't think it makes that much of a difference.
All right, Ronnie, thank you, Kevin, great work, and Rodney,
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we wrap it up tomorrow, right hom
And we continue on Fred Rogan, Rodney, Pete se La Sports.
All Right, Dodgers off today, Rodney, recovering from that road trip.
They get back at it tomorrow night at the stadium
against the Yankees. Everybody is very excited. Everybody's excited that
the Yankees will be in town. Anytime New York and
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LA play, it's always a big deal. But given what
happened in the World Series last year, Rodney, I think
Yankee fans are probably a little more jazz than normal
because they would like to exact their revenge. They would
like to show the Dodgers, they would like to stick
it to them. They owe them. Here's the thing, They're
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not getting any revenge. Whatever happens, they're not paying them back.
It has nothing to do with what happened last year. Nothing. Now,
maybe if you're a Yankee fan psychologically, you want to
put yourself in that position and think, well, well, we're
gonna get them this time. It doesn't matter. This time
wasn't last time, and last time was the time that mattered.
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So I think that as we approach these three games,
which will be great, and if you've got a ticket,
you're the luckiest person in town. And if you want
to be part of the atmosphere, you should. But if
you're a New York fan and you think, well, we're
gonna pay you back, there's no payback. You missed your
window that that part of this drama is over, Roddney.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but this is this is a mid
season world series, still fred for Yankee fans.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Is that safe to say?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, it's a mid seasons it's a mid season world series,
and this is a big deal. I'm you know, obviously
there's a there's a lot of New York and a
lot of Yankee fans all over the globe and all
over the world, especially here in southern Californi, and you
a lot of New Yorkers live here and die hard
Yankee fans. But I'm just I'm curious how many Yankee
fans actually came out and traveled for this weekend. You know,
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people love to come to California summertime, vacation, whatever. And
put this in the in the put this in the
calendar for I'm going to go out to La to
see the Yankees play the Dodgers because this is, uh,
this will be a mid season world series for us,
and I want to be a part of it, So
there will be some There will be a number of
Yankee fans in attendance at Dodge Stadium for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
There's no question for this one. Yeah. Yeah. People use
it as an opportunity to take a trip. Yeah, you know,
and we used to take baseball trips all the time.
NFL is so look at the NFL season. The reason
that schedule release is so important to so many people
is because the minute that comes out, people start planning
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to take trips, book hotels. You know what, I want
to see the Chiefs play the Ravens. I'm going to Baltimore,
or I'm going to camp the city to see the
Chiefs play the Packers. What if you're from Green Bay.
So people do plan trips around this. We find in
hockey all the time when you get teams coming in
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from the eastern part of Canada, Toronto, Montreal. Oh, people
are always here. It's a vacation. Yeah. They get to
tell you about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
And you know, the Yankees just finished up playing the
angel so you got a full week of it.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
You come out and you see the Yankees play the Angels,
and now you get to see them play the Dodgers,
and it's a full West coast trip, and it's a
you know, load up the wagon, Fred and throw the
family in the bag, and let's go. Let's go, let's go,
let's go. We've got to get Disneyland on the way too. Yeah,
why not make a week out of it? And I'm
sure that's going to happen. Also, we know there were
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a number of transplanted New Yorkers here, So the Yankees
will be represented at Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I believe they will be roundly shouted down by the
number of Dodger fans at a tend I mean, this
is not an NFL game where the visiting team outnumbers
the home team. This is Dodger Stadium, and at Dodger Stadium,
the home fans will roundly shout out anybody else. But
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as these New York people look for revenge, and I
was reading about that earlier today, there's no revenge. There's
just not gonna be any You can't have it. It
doesn't matter. See that's the thing that's so funny about sports.
Dodgers won the World Series beat the Yankees. Yankees looked bad.
Yankees made mistakes, metal mistakes, physical mistakes. Dodgers took advantage
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and beat them. Done. You can't go backwards now and go, well,
if we beat you this time, it's like we beat
you in the World Series. No, it'sruly not. It has
nothing to do with that. If the two teams meet
again this year in the World Series and things turn
out differently, then you can make that statement. You can say, yeah, okay,
we owed you one and we got it. That's our revenge.
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But don't mistake what happens during the regular season for
the playoffs, because they're two entirely different animals. Now, the
question for the Dodgers, I don't have the answer. Well,
by the way, they signed a reliever, Alexis Diaz. I
think they picked him up from yes, captain from from
the Reds. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they just signed him because
we're back to where we were. So many guys are
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hurting the bullpen now. It's like the one year they
put a guy in we'd never seen before. All of
a sudden, he's pitching. I thought they picked him up
on a bus stop on Wilshire Boulevard. Yea, and the
guy did pretty well. But I mean we're kind of
not that's where we're at again. Yeah, again hurt. So
many guys are hurt.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
You're gonna start saying guys on the hill, Like you said, Fred,
we don't know who is that guy or or you know,
you're going to see a guy trot out there with
the number sixty eight the number, or or a guy
wearing number eighty seven, you know, pitching on the hill.
Numbers that you don't normally see in baseball. You're gonna
see him because there's a new face that came to town.
They just had to get an open number to put
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it on him and trot him out there on the hill.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
But yeah, I hope not. And then to think about,
you know.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Does this change there their trade deadline plans right when
it hits in late July? Is it is it going
to be? You know, were going into the season. We
don't have to focus on pitching. We'll see where we
are and if there's a position player or somebody we
need to add, we can add that. But I don't
think in their minds they were thinking, we gotta we
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got to really focus on the pitching here at this
trade deadline because everybody's hurt. What are we going to do?
But now it's a complete one eighty from that thought
process going into the season, and they may not have
to focus on it, by the way, Oh it may not.
Hobody could be back.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, but one thing, one area of concern, and I
think it's real. And I know it's the regular season
and we're in May, and really things are gonna start
to pick up here int of July. But I think
now it's something to keep an eye on, and that's
Tanner Scott, who has struggled big time. Dodger bullpen has
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blown twelve save this year. As of yesterday, they were
tied with the Red Sox for the most blown saves.
I think of those twelve, Tanner Scott has five, and
really we can give him yesterday's two because if that
hadn't happened, maybe Vessi wouldn't have had to come in
and give up that home run. So we're gonna give
him that one.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Yesterday, I think, I think, well, yeah, the runners on
base were his, that's right, Yeah, the runners on base
were his, So you know, and the guy comes up
and it's the three on one homer off of Vessia,
but the runners on base that Tanner Scott was the one.
And he also allowed him to tie the game as well.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, so he has struggled and they're trying to figure
out the reason why. Now they're human beings, and the
Dodgers are very good at working with people. What's interesting
is you wouldn't expect a guy they signed to a
four year deals, the best closer in baseball to be
struggling with this, which apparently is throwing the ball right
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down the middle, not being able to get guys out.
And that's your job, is the closer? Is he going
to work on it? Of course? And is it going
to be Okay? Yeah, it probably will be, and it's
a bump in the road. But still this is happening
way too often. So it makes you think one of
two things. A and I mentioned this yesterday. Okay, we're
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not gonna you're not gonna close. We need to work
on this. How we do it? And Rodney, your position is, well,
if you don't put them out there, or how is
he gonna work on it? Yeah, And I'm saying I
think it is demoralizing when your closer blows games. I
think that's perhaps the most immoralizing thing a team can
go through. When the guide paid to shut it down. Blows.
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It happens. Nobody's perfect, but it's happening a lot. So
one option is, you're not going to close. We'll put
you in a little earlier, We'll let you work on
some stuff. You are closer, but we're just gonna give
you a pause here. And the other thing is maybe
there's something wrong with him. We don't know. These kinds
of things seem to pop up. I didn't know he
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had a hamstring. Me neither, but it's apparently bothering him.
So we're gonna have to, you know, let him sit
for a while here and get better. Yeah, we don't know.
We don't know if that's the case, but we do
know this that after a tough outing, you have a responsibility.
It's an occupational hazard when you're a pro athlete, and
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you really have a responsibility. With Dodgers, you need to
address the media. Not the media is great and you
should fear the media, but you do because the media
is the conduit immediately after the game to the fans.
So you need to address the media, and the media
will have questions. The fans only ask that you're honest.
That's all they ask. And even at a time of emotion,
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try to be as honest as you can, and it's
hard because you are a motion after you lose a
game like that, he did not address the media. Now
Alex Vessi, who gave up that home run, did address
the media. He's been here a few years. He has
some equity with the fans. That's what David Vassa said
last night. We'll let you hear all of it in
a second. He has equity with the fans. He understands
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the responsibility. But Tanner Scott did not. So let's listen
to David Vassy.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Tanner Scott obviously has not been the same Tanner Scott
from a year ago. It's utterly frustrating. And if you're
Tanner Scott and you're the closer and you're making more
than anybody else in that bullpen, you should be standing
at your locker after the game today. You know, Kenley
Jansen used to get criticized early in his closing career
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after he blew saves rare saves by the way with
the Dodgers, that he wasn't at his locker to be accountable.
Where was Tanner Scott today? He did not speak to
the media. You've got to be there. It shouldn't be
just Alex Vesia. Sorry, Alex Vesia had to try to
clean up a mess. Alex Vessi is a two time
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World Series champion. He has credibility with this fan base.
Tanner Scott, you don't.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Rodney pulls no punches there Fred David Batsey telling it
like it is. And David is you know, as we know,
he's best in the business at covering the team and
knows his stuff and it is around those guys all
the time and has in depth relationships with all those guys,
and he's seen a lot of things over the years
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and this one and we know Dave, he he walks
that that line.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
I think better than.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Better than most people I've ever seen in terms of
being straight up and also happened to be around those
guys all the time. That's not easy because you you
gotta be sometimes you got to be critical of the
guys that you're around, and that's not always an easy
thing to do and walk that tight rope. But he
does it great. But he he was absolutely spot on.
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If you it is an obligation, it is part of
the deal when you're a professional athlete, is talking and
being accessible to the media because that is and I
know we live in the social media world where everybody's
got their own their own voice and they can have
their own platform to say what they want to say.
But also the media is the pipeline to the fan base,
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and so you have to be able to be accessible
for them. And and and it's look, it's it's not
only at the convenient times either.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
It has to be wind loser draw.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
You have to make yourself available and stand up and
take your medicine and if it's bad and.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Celebrate if it's good.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
So uh that that that was disappointing that he was
not not available to to talk to the media afterwards.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Yeah, And I also think that you do need to
build up some equity in the market. I think you
have to earn the right if you choose not to
do that, not to do that, does that make sense. Yeah,
if there's a time you choose, I just can't do it.
I don't want to talk after the game for whatever reason.
(13:20):
You've built up enough equity here where people go, Okay,
we got a tanner. Not if you just got here,
that's a different story. You have to build that credibility.
You have to build that equity, and basically it sounds terrible.
You know what, you've been struggling. You got to wear it.
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You got to wear it. Yeah, yeah, people want you
to wear it. They want you to say, I have
been struggling. If you do that, guess what happens. That's
a good guy. He gets it, Rodney, he gets it.
He's one of us. He understands. God, we're pulling for him.
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That's the guy we're rooting for. But if you don't
talk to anybody, what happens? What's wrong with that guy? Yeah?
I know that guy wouldn't be you know, you know
how people are.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Why is he ducking? Why is he duck in this?
What does he got to hide? Oh, that's not a
he's not a stand up guy. And all those things
will come out, you know, none of them really are true,
but that is the That is a perception people will
take away of you not standing up and being and
holding yourself accountable for what just happened. And look, it's
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a different, different story if it's it's something that you
don't do right, and you whether you win the game
and have a great game or lose a game, you
just simply do not do not speak to the media,
and if you do, it's very little.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
You know you you know you.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
Do Marshawn Lynch, right, he just he let everybody know
early on that I don't do interviews after the game,
or I don't do interviews at all, period. And then
it became a mandatory, mandatory thing where you have to
make yourself available. So he would do the I'm just
here because I don't want to get fined with every
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single question that someone asked him. But he was a
guy that if he had if he ran for three
hundred yards or he ran for two yards and fumbled
three times, he never talked to the media and to
his deal, so you couldn't fault him either other way.
Now people got upset, but he was the same guy.
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But you cannot be a guy that only talks to
the media when things are good.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
You have to do it both ways.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And that's when, as you mentioned, Fred, the fans will
respect you and start to really root for you if
you can come clean and say, listen, I had I
had a terrible day and I was awful out there,
and I got to get better and I got I
gotta go study the tape and see what's going on,
whether it's my mechanics or my location. But I got
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to be better than this. And you leave it at
that and go about your business. At least show up.
At least show up, you know after an NFL game.
Sean McVay is the best at this. He is really
the best, and I think he was the first one
in this city to do it. If the Rams got beat,
the first thing he says is, this one's on me,
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even if it wasn't on him. Oh, this one's on me.
I gotta do a better job. I didn't do my job.
They weren't prepared. Granted, you didn't expect somebody to fumble
the ball trying to score on the two yard line
when time runs out and lose. But nonetheless this I
did this. We all got to get better here, you
think I gotta get better. We got to get better.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
As coaches. We have to do Okay, that takes the
steam out of everything. That deflects everything right off the bat.
It's on me, even if it's not, it's on me.
There you go. If Tanner Scott stands up and goes,
I gotta be honest with you. I have really, really
been struggling getting guys out. Another example, is it gonna
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be easy for me to sleep on this flight home?
Absolutely not. I'll tell you one thing I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna get back to LA and start looking at
some tapes and talking to Mark Pryor, and I'm gonna
get this thing settled and solved and figured out, because
I don't want to do this to my teammates. If
he does that, it's not even a conversation. And then
what's the follow up to that? You suck, You're a liar.
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You're not really gonna try those things. We don't believe you. You
don't feel bad. There's no follow up to that. Once
you do that, nobody can say anything. You diffuse the
whole situation. When you're playing quarterback for the Eagles. The
classic story, you throw like three touchdowns, you win the game,
and you throw one pick before halftime, and the first
question is why do you throw the interception? Yeah? Right, Hey,
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we just won, this is great, We're going to the
title game. It threw a pick in the first quarter, buddy,
what was with that? If you had a bad game
playing and I'm sure occasionally you didn't have a great one.
It would just be the law of averages. You might
have had a bad game in your career. I think
it's okay if you came out afterward and said, I
got to tell you something. I had a bad game today.
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Nobody's more upset about it than me. And it didn't
go you know, I whatever you did, but I did it,
it's on me.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Then what are people going to say to you, Rodney? Oh,
you know, they they would respect that, right, They respect that.
He's a stand up guy. He's he's looking out for
for his for his teammates. And I, you know, I
oftentimes fell on the sword for my guys. And you know,
a guy dropped a touchdown pass or or you know,
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didn't get the first down a particular play, and I,
you know, I would often say, you know, maybe I
threw a little bit behind him, fall was a little high,
you know a little higher in that situation.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
I gotta put it more on his body.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I mean, there would be things like you would say
to protect your guys, so you don't want to throw
anybody under the bus.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And people respect you for that.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
And that's just uh, just a fact, and and and
and it's also your way because nowadays, you have to
connect with your fan base, and the fan base, especially
the Dodgers.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
They are loyal to you and they love you, and
they will go to war for you.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
And but you gotta you gotta reciprocate, and you gotta
give them something back and they will respect you more.
And the tough times that you come clean and be
a stand up guy.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Hey do you swipe right? Do you swipe left? Are
you on tender? You better rethink that. Yeah, oh huh
oh yeah. Just let the music play, Ronnie. That's all
I want to do is let the music play.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
Come on throw Back Thursday, Rodney Pete, fred Roe, Yes, baby, yes,
come on, Freddy.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
So you and I don't know this, to be very
honest with you, because we're both married, been married.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
For a while, a lot of years, yes, a lot
of years. I'm coming up on thirty years fad next week.
How about that?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Congratulations?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yes, sir, Holly put a post on on ig and
on a X A young Rodney Pete a little flat
top working, yeah, Rodney.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, going back to the nineties. That was in style
back then. Kel Yeah, yeah, man yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Thirty years coming up next week, man, So it definitely
we talked about time flying at time does fly.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Let me put it like this, If you're there thirty years,
you're there, Yeah, I mean you're not, you're that's it.
You're there. Yeah, Well you mean you're not. You're not
looking for looking for new love. That's it. You're good,
you're you're fine. You're there, thirty years, you're Yeah. You
locked down, baby, you locked in. You're not going anywhere. So,
(21:04):
uh so we don't. We didn't really didn't do this,
but I'm sure a lot of you did tender right.
And on Tender, the way it worked was you look
at a picture, you'd swipe one way or you'd swipe
the other, and then people would reach out to you.
I have a friend. I'm not going to use this
(21:25):
person's name. Some people at the station may remember the
stories that was the master of Tender. Wow, couldn't tell
you how many people this thing. I know this person is,
I think I know this person is. Yeah, let me
tell you what this person. This person had a working
This person got to know a lot of people on tender.
(21:47):
M hmmm. And there was a period of time where
that's really how you hooked up on tender. But what's
fascinating is things have changed now and dating isn't what
it used to be, and it's basically gen Z. And
here's why the gen zs are not hooking up as much.
(22:12):
They're not using tender to do that anymore. Because tender
as you'd hook up with somebody. Yeah, yeah, there what
it was.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
She called it the hookup because exactly what it was, right,
And and boy, can you imagine if tender was around
when you're in our single.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Days back back then.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
I mean the way, like you said, the way it works.
And these are strangers, right, it's strangers. You see a
picture and you read there, I guess read their profile. Okay,
I live here, you live there. Let's hook up and
they hook up. And when we say hook up, they
hook up.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's exactly how it works. Crazy.
That's crazy to me and how popular it has been.
But to show you what technology has done, and that
was of a big part of the dating scene for
a while. Technology and AI have changed things dramatically again.
(23:08):
Gen Z has the attention span of a gnat. Now,
I always thought I had the attention span of a gnat,
but I'm not even normally closed young people have an
attention span of about ninety seconds. And I'm probably being
kind and it's because of the way they've grown up
with technology and they believe. They believe that they want
(23:33):
what they want immediately when they want it, and they
want it to be perfect. They want what they want
and they want it to be perfect. They're not really
interested in getting to know somebody. They want to know
quickly is this perfect? Because that's what technology has done
in a world where you can get whatever you want
(23:53):
quickly on your phone, information, you can reach out to somebody,
you can make a phone call, you can communicate with
anybody in the world, you can watch whatever you want
to watch. Well, that mentality carries through and now whatever
they do, they want it to be perfect. So the
first thing is they're not really into sifting through these
(24:14):
pictures and determining well, I don't think so, maybe they
don't want that. That's the first thing. The second thing
is apparently they're not having as much sex because they
only want to have sex with the person that's perfect,
and they can't find that person and they don't want
(24:35):
to take the time to look. So the thrill of
the chase and the hunt is over. It doesn't exist
for younger people anymore. They look at things differently. And lastly,
and this is the biggest issue, And did you ever
think it would come to this? Because they want perfection
(24:57):
and they can't find it. Many people are now communicating
with AI to get what they need emotionally. Think about
how absurd that is to get what you need, because
emotionally the keyword, right, because you can't find anything that
(25:18):
is perfect, because that's what you expect, despite the fact
that it's virtually impossible to find that in one second.
And the truth of the matter is nothing is ever perfect.
But because you can't find that, you are now taping
into your phone or on a computer, and that is
(25:42):
providing you the emotional support you need. A machine is
providing you with that emotional support. Think about that someone
you'll never talk to, someone you'll never talk to, something
you'll never talk to, and honestly, you will never hear
(26:03):
the sound of that machine's voice. And if you do,
you know it's artificial. And that's how you're getting emotional support.
And people would prefer to do that then be on
tender communicate with AI because in their mind, because of
(26:25):
the algorithms, AI will tell them exactly what they want
to hear.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
They that's two different things, and it's two different things.
You know, people don't go on ad on tender to
get emotional support. They go on tender to get physical support. Yeah,
and you can't get physical support on AI. Now if
you want the emotional support, which is again weird in
(26:51):
itself as you mentioned, and you're going to AI instead
of you know, going to see a live therapist or
having to call in a friend over and just having
a real deep conversation with that friend. People are turning
to AI to get that.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
That is.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
Absurd in itself because you're basically trying to get feelings
from a machine. That doesn't make sense. But timber thing
Tender is different. I mean, like I said, I don't
think people go they don't go on tender to find
that emotional support.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Well, but the problem is when they go on TENDER,
they're looking for perfection, whatever their definition of that is.
They want it to be perfect because of the world
they grew up in, because they can get what they
want when they want it, and when they don't find that,
they're not getting that level of support. So then they
turn to AI and start communicating. But you know what
(27:46):
that does. And if you you know, AI is your
friend and you've named AI whatever and it has a
little name, what that's doing, ultimately is putting you in
a world of isolation. You have no human contact. You're isolating,
(28:09):
the machine is conveying thoughts to you, and you are
becoming emotionally involved with the machine, which does what which
isolates you even further. Think about that. Think about it
if you didn't talk to anybody but typed into the
computer and the computer was telling you what you wanted
to hear, and you had no human contact. Now now
(28:34):
you don't even have to type, you just talk, just
having a real conversation back and forth.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You know, you don't have to necessarily type. You just
tell it, Hey, I'm feeling this way this morning. I'm
feeling a little down because of this. And they you know,
you just your e're sitting up to having a thirty
minute conversation with AI. Yeah, it's a it's a it's
a it's it's fascinating, but it's scary at the same
(28:59):
time time, because that that was that has been the
issue with a lot of folks lately, especially you know
and our age group, talking about young kids as young
you know, the younger generation, they don't really talk to
each other anymore.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
It's through text or through social media. There's not a.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Whole lot of sit down interaction. We talk about that
a lot at dinner. You know, when you're dinner with
your kids or family. You know, everybody's on their phones,
you know, during during dinner time instead of having a
real conversation across the turn, across the table. And the
way it's going as you just mentioned, you know, it's
(29:42):
it's becoming less and less evident that people are wanting
to have those human interactions. They'd rather do it with
a machine than talk to somebody that's real.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
The CEO of Tender says gen Z eighteen to twenty eight,
not a hookup generation. They don't drink as much. I
don't know what's wrong with them. They don't drink as much.
I mean that's when people used to drink.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, and they don't have as much suse other things
that they do instead of drinking nowadays.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Well, he says, they're going to adapt their products to
accept that reality. I don't know what that means for Tender.
Maybe you swipe left, swipe light right, and there's an
AI bot there.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
Maybe maybe, yeah, maybe it's Yeah, it's the cuddle the
cuddle generation. Friend, need I just want to talk. I
don't want to do anything physical. They don't hook up
as much. That's interesting, and that's weird. Yeah, that's very weird.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
It's, you know, the cuddle generations. They just want to talk. Well,
you know, you and I have been married for a
long time, and I know both of our wife say, well,
you just shut up and stop talking. Yes, yes, dude,
you know what, fred that's too many words enough. Yeah, well,
(31:09):
I guess it's spans for all generations. All right, we're
back to wrap it up.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, come on, Freddy, let's wind it down on his
throwback Thursday. It's been great, great, great, great, always spending
time with our people for it, you know it.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
I know people are making a big deal out of
the fact if it's the Pacers and Thunder in the
NBA Finals, this is bad for the league. It's bad
for TV. First, it's not bad for the league. The
league got paid, the league doesn't care, really didn't matter
the league. They got theirs right, And then there's a
feeling who yeah, yeah, so I mean they're fine. Then
(32:04):
there's a feeling. Well, you know who's going to care. Well,
if you like the NBA, you're going to care. Understand this,
We do this for a living. We talk about sports
all the time. But here's the harsh reality of life.
We care a lot, but most people don't. So why
would something do a better number? If it's major markets,
if there's a great storyline behind it, if there's a
(32:25):
personality that transcends. So you have the Dodgers and the
Yankees in the World Series, New York LA that did
very well, Shoheyo Tani, Aaron Judge that did very well. Right,
the NBA Finals probably won't do the numbers of the
World Series. I mean, we know Lou Dort plays for
Oklahoma City. My son Jack played with him at Arizona State.
(32:47):
They have SGA, who's a terrific player in the MVP
of the league. Indiana has Tyrese Haliburton. Okay, nobody knows
who he is, Sorry they don't. He's very good, but
he plays in Indianapolis, so nobody really knows him yet.
But he's been good for a while. I don't think
it really matters much. I mean, ABC, ESP and Disney,
(33:12):
you know they think it matters too.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It doesn't matter to the NBA, but doesn't You don't
You don't think it matters to ABC and ESPN.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
No, here's why, Well, it matters a little bit. Here's
why they're already going to sell it. The way this
works is they go out and they talk to their
their national advertisers and their sponsors, and they sell them
a rating point or an impression number. Let's just work
with ratings. It's old school. We think the game is
going to do. These games will do an eight rating.
(33:41):
I'm making it up for the totality. If it doesn't
eight two, okay, you guys got what you paid for.
If it doesn't seven five, we owe your bonus weight.
We owe you more spots, and we'll figure out a
way to get those in. We'll make good. You'll get
(34:01):
your spots, and everybody's a winner here. You really want
things to hit the target because then you don't have
to give them the bonus spots. But if they don't,
you just make good. Move on. It's a price, a
price of doing business. So yeah, they'd like it to
be a great rating, but I can guarantee you, in
today's world, what does a great rating the NFL. Yeah,
(34:30):
and that's about it. Yeah, Yeah, it's still king.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Right, NFL is always and has been and still is
the King in a mountain.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
And maybe it's still once a week thing.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
It's not on as often, but it's still the sport
in which well in a lot of ways, right TV,
the viewership, but also betting, gambling and all facets.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
It's bigger.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
But yeah, you know, and as we talked to Dan Woiki,
there are new faces of the league too, you know
with Halliburton and Runson and you know you've got s
g A and and ant Man. So there's a changing
of the guard happening in the NBA. If if we're
looking and we're watching Steph Curry play Lebron James in
(35:23):
the Western Conference Finals, the rating would probably be through
the roof, wouldn't it be? Absolutely it's different. Yeah, and
it's definitely different.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
Yeah, I think this. I think the Stanley Cup finals
this year. Yeah, in Florida and Edmonton.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
And Edmonton your team, Fred, your team, your team. But
it does it does the sting go off a little
bit that if they go on and win it all? No,
the fact that King's got bounced by them, does it
take the sting off for you a little bit.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
No, it makes me more mad, It makes me more
matt The King should have beat them. I don't care.
If they're Oh, they're so good, nobody can beat them.
Well we should beat them. Well we can't, they're that good.
Then we're making excuses. We should figure it out. But
I'll bet you if that series happens, that'll be a
more exciting series to watch in the NBA. But the
NBA will do a better number because that's just the
(36:14):
way it works. It is what it is, pretty simple.
So yeah, the league would rather have the Knicks. Everybody
would rather have the Knicks. It's probably a better story.
But if it's Indiana, it's gonna do what it's gonna do,
and I don't think it makes that much of a difference.
All right, Ronnie, thank you, Kevin, great work, and Rodney,
(36:37):
we wrap it up tomorrow, right hom
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