We discuss the bombshell from ESPN that the Lakers have essentially been giving Lebron the cold shoulder this offseason as they look ahead to their future with Luka Doncic. Could The Joker be out in Denver after 2027 (when the Lakers and Clippers will have money under the cap)? Adam Auslund says Clayton Kershaw should start the all-star game on Tuesday
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now that's the f and A takeover. I'm at a
masl and we got k Fake here in burbank Eth
and a Cotton Rogan and Rodney. Today we got you
guys for the next two hours. Here coming up, Bill
Plunkett will continue the Dodgers conversation we had a little
bit earlier. Do they need help? Do they need a bay?
Do the Dodgers really need more help? Do they not
have enough? Kevin? You know, most people from the outside
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looking in are saying, I got the world's smallest violin
right now playing for the Dodgers and their problems that
are going on, because they still have a lineup that
anybody else would come it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, everybody is envious of the Dodgers right now because
as much as we're complaining about how poorly they're playing,
and they've all six in a row when everybody's hurt,
and what's with their bullpen and they're starting, they have
the second best rekerd in baseball by the Detroit Tigers,
who came out of nowhere. We thought people thought the
Tigers would be good coming off of last year's playoff birth,
but not this good. So the Dodgers essentially have they
have the second best record all of baseball despite the
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fact that they have all these issues, And I think that,
more than anything, as a testament to the organizational depth
that they've built, the fact that you have all these
MVPs and they can be in the midst of a slump,
but you can have a guy like a Pias who's
a borderline All Star, who's playing amazingly. Max Munsey, who
was bad pretty much all of last season, especially offensively,
started out terribly this year. People were talking about get
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rid of them, basically turn himself into basically a borderline
All Star as well, before he ended up getting injured.
You have an embarrassment of riches in the starting staff,
in the minor leagues, in the bullpen, especially in the lineup.
Now the attrition is starting to catch up a little bit,
and I think I brought this up earlier this week
when we thought we were on with Fred. They never,
at any point this season have had things clicking on
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all cylinders, and even with that, they still have the
second best record in all of baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Walking back to Hardball, you know Don McLain would often
say it, and I think he was the first person
to say it at least he was to me, it's
about your margin for error. Sure, and he would say
this regarding basketball a lot, But I think the Dodgers
have a wide margin for error. They could be missing
all these guys, they could not be playing their best,
and they're still in first place in their division, best
team in the National League, and they still have a
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chance if they sweep the Giants coming up this weekend
up eight games in the division.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah. So look, I'm not doing gloom and saying they
should sit people and all that stuff. I mean, it's
it's I'm just trying to be trying to project forward,
you know, until later in the season, and if here's
an opportunity to get guys a little bit of extra
rests going into the All Star break where they'll have
even more extended rest, I think that would behoove them
more than say, put these guys back out there, risk
them a further hinduring injuring themselves, and b not making
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much of a difference because they aren't playing well right now. Anyway,
that's my outlook on it.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, and you bring it up like that with the
too pronged approach, I think my argument falls flat. I
think it got me there, Kevin. I guess nobody's playing tonight.
No Freeman, no TODDI, no Mookie, No Triple A Dodgers
save them to all with the All Star Break exactly.
They're Triple A team better than the team here with.
I think they're that good. I think they're that good.
They have the best form international scouting ever in the
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history of sports, the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
But it's one of those like, oh, I think the
Dodgers Triple A team can beat the Chicago White Sox.
You're gonna hit me with one of those.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's not like what's the college team you'd always say,
could they.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Beat a pro Alabama? It was Alabama during Saban's tenures.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Alab basketball though, Was it Kentucky who said it for basketball?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah? Now that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Speaking of we had the conversation about Bronnie James and
there was much to get into, like how he missed
the game winning shot because it's skip. Bayless said, like
father likes son, he misses a game winner at the
end of that game and the Lakers lose by two
last night and a summer league opener in Vegas for
them against Cooper Flag and the Dallas Mavericks. But something
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else came out today, Kevin that maybe we buried the
lead a little bit on now. Even though look, we've
had this conversation a lot, I feel like we've been
on top of it. We'd be knowing, we knew that
this was the case. But now there's some reporting that
kind of backs what we were feeling with this schism
between Lebron and the Lakers. Reportedly.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah. So up in ESPN today from Ramona Shellburn and
Brian Wenthors talking about the transition from Lebron James to
Luka Doncik and the Laker organization, which of course makes
all the sense in the world. We understand that Luca
just entering into his prime years and Lebron James phenomenally
as he's playing still at this point in time, is
on the back nine, and we acknowledge that. So they
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do it right up talking about this infamous dinner at
Craigs that the Laker brass had with Luka Doncik and
his agent. There were his pictures earlier this week on
TEMZ from it.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
The way they talk about this dinner, if things go
well for the Lakers and Luca, like fifteen years from now,
Rob Polinka is going to be like, yeah, it was
such an amazing time. That was the moment. I mean,
Heath Ledger was there too. It was amazing, Like what
a what a night that was with why Like, that's
what it's going to turn into the pathology of this
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dinner in Craigs.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But this wasn't just you know, the Laker brass just
hob nobbing it with Luca, you know, having a good
time and yucking it up. Apparently Polenka had this ginormous
bunk and it was basically a business meeting talking about
the future of the franchise with Luca in tow. Hopefully
that he extends how the roster's gonna look, explaining the
second apron and team building and how that's gonna look
with Luka Doncik as part of the equation.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So, Luca, our draft picks could get frozen, our first
round draft picks if we go over the second apron.
Do you care about that? No? No, no, I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I'm sure he doesn't. Yeah. The big omission as from
this dinner is Lebron James. Lebron James, of course, a
pending free agent for the first time in his career,
by the way, has never been a lame duck going
into a contract year for a franchise, and he now
sees himself in that situation. And according to this reporting
from Ramona and Wendy, it sounds as if the Lakers
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have given Lebron James and Rich Paul the cold shoulder.
The fact that Lebron James wasn't consultant on the Anthony
Davis trade, the fact that he wasn't consulted on Mark
Williams at all, despite the fact that Anthony Davis what
a week before he got traded, two weeks before, said man,
I wish the Lakers are bringing a center and move
me back to power forward.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
No, that had to hurt. For years, Clutch and Ad
and Lebron have been asking for another center, specifically just
so Ad can move to power forward because he doesn't
like to be that physical out there. I guess he said,
we got you a center. It's waiting in Dallas. You
got two now that can play center. But that that
had to burn them a little bit because they asked
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for it for years. Luca gets there one week and
they make a trade for Mark Williams.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, so that one along with this last one I
think are the big ones for me. The last point
is they did not, and they had been reported initially,
they didn't offer Lebron James a contract extension. They didn't
even have conversations with him about his future. Usually, now,
granted you have an aging superstar who's making a lot
of money, making fifty three million plus, he'd be making
sixty million plus on any sort of extension, you would
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at least sit down and say, hey, Lucas here, we
love you, you're great, you're forty, you brought us a championship.
We can't justify paying you this amount of money moving
forward in the future. We'd like to keep you, but
we can't keep you at this at this price point.
And that's if you don't want to do that. We
get it, but we at least owe you the courtesy
to tell you how things are going. And it sounds
as if that courtesy was not paid to Lebron James,
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to which if that's the case, if I were him,
I would be upset. It makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What's interesting is from this report, Lebron jameson Clutch before
they released their statement, talking about where they were at
the annual I need more help type of conversation. They
told Luca about this before it dropped before And the
part that gets everybody going is because it sounds past tense.
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It is we are very appreciative of the partnership that
we've had for eight years with Geenie Buss and Rob
Polnka and consider the Lakers as a critical part of
his career. It all sounds like you're waving toba.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It sounds like you're waiting for therefore, we are now
requesting a trade and that that line never came.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
But they made sure to give Lou how could the
heads up on what was coming with that press release.
The Lakers were not his fourth right with Lebron about
their scheming behind the scenes at Craig's at dinner talking
with Luca Lebron, you're not invited. And maybe he was
in a boost somewhere with a wig on and had
like the menu over his nose, just peering out.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And yeah, I'm sure all six s eate in two
hundred and seventy pounds, Lebron. James just blend into the background.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Lavoyer, he was, he was in that conversation. Somehow He's
got here somewhere. Uh, this is the first time, as
you mentioned, in Lebron James' career, that he's at a
point where teams aren't bending over backwards for him. And
it's new and he's got to get used to it
at the age of forty. And we talked about it
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earlier this week. It was telling Jovon Bouja, formerly of
the Athletic now with YouTube doing a great out there.
Johas blah Boo. He uses the Petros Papadakis throw it
to him, I guess.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Trying to a real show.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
He pointed out there was no pressure release of Lebron
at least opting in to the fifty million dollars that
he has left on his contract. They didn't celebrate it,
they didn't talk about it, and so from their side,
they're giving him the cold shoulder, as you say, And
is that the impetus for why Lebron is now doing
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kind of the same thing and why Deandreton said, oh,
he hasn't talked to Lebron at his introductory press conference.
Lebron is not playing nice. He's back in Cleveland. There's
all this messaging and subtext and is Lebron James you know,
being not so subtle about what he's trying to tell
the Lakers with the situation. Probably he does this. He's
done this plenty of times before.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, the subtweeting and all that, the Cleveland hats.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I just think there's an easy answer. I think they
both won out. I think the Lakers would like to
move on and they don't want to be the bad
guys or take the pr hit of trading without him
knowing at least the best player of all time. No,
he has a no trade clause, but if they traded
him to New York, I think he'd waive it. Yeah,
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that's what Cleve I think is realistic Cleveland, though, that's
that damn second that they had to tell Luca Dodgers
about at the meeting.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
They'd have to Cleveland would have to make another move,
and I know there's reports falling around the last couple
of days that the only way Cleveland entertaining it is
if Lebron gets bought out, which the Lakers are not
going to do.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I think Lebron and the reason they released that statement
initially was because it happened, correct me if I'm wrong,
But right after DFS was leaving or they heard that
Dorian Phaniel Smith was going to be leaving. There were
some different reports on that and Lebron, for him, that's
a guy who's thirty thirty one. He's a win now player,
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and it kind of was telling to Lebron that you're
not the guy anymore. We're not on your timeline. We're
waiting for that next era. We're opening up this new
window with Luka Doncic.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, which is fine, but if that's the case, you
at least owe what to have that conversation with him.
It's very chicken bleep to just say like, no, we're
just not gonna talk about it. Sorry, Lebron, Oh lost
your number, ah, missed your phone call, Just not gonna
acknowledge it. Like people, Lebron is not dumb. He knows
he's forty now. Granted, he has an ego about him
and you know, he's a phenomenal player and all that.
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But the Lakers are building for the future, and Luca
Doncik is that future. Lebron James, you can still fit
into the plant and look, maybe to your point, maybe
he's not in the plans. They're ready to be out
of the business. But you know what, if that's the case,
had that conversation too, I don't think anybody will be
mad at the Laker organization or Clutch if they both
sat down and said, you know what, we had a
conversation and at this point in time we're on diverging pathways.
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I think it's best for each of us to move on.
They could have done that two days before free agency started.
They could have facilitated the trade somewhere and they could
have been done with it. But if it really is
this cold war standoff between Clutch and the Lakers, and
nobody wants to flinch, but nobody wants anything to do
with each other, that just sets that just makes this
entire year tenuous and awkward. Who wants to deal with that?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I think it's intentional by the Lakers to be passive aggressive,
just like Lebron is all the time with his cryptic stuff,
to upset him, to make him ask out and ask
for the trade. You be the bad guy here with
the pr hit Now, A lot of Lakers fans will say.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
By at the door, hit you in the ass sentiment
For a lot of fans, yeah, they'd be fine.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
With it, of course, But there's a bigger picture here
with his legacy, especially nationally, where you don't want a
messy divorce from one of the pre eminent franchises in
all of sports, and that to be near the end
of your career. Sometimes that stuff doesn't matter. Sometimes it sticks,
and that's something people think of right away when they
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think of you.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well, it sticks too, because let's not forget Lebron James
might be in the twilight of his career. Clutch Sports
ain't going anywhere. And I looked it up earlier. Six
percent of the league is represented by Clutch. So you're
gonna have to deal with Clutch and Rich Paul and
clients in the future. Now, it's not gonna affect someone
that you draft to sign on a rookie scale, But
if it's between you and let's say, excuse me, the Clippers,
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oh yeah, that can actually matter. I like it. You know,
your relationship you know with Clutch Sports is very is
vitally important to your future in building around Luka Doncik.
That's something they can't get lost in all of this.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It would be who you to play nice? Yes with
Rich Paul, because this isn't the end of that relationship
with Clutch. No, that totally makes sense. It'll be advantageous
for them to do it in that way. You could
say they dropped the ball a little lot, a little bit,
but maybe they are so turned off and they are
desperate to move on to that next era because they
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have their guy. And I wonder about this, what does
Luca want? Are they doing what Luca wants? They want
to be doing that obviously, that's the biggest thing for
the Lakers right now. He's got a contract signing that
could be on August second, for two hundred and twenty
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Well, that's why they're having these Craigs dinners and meeting
with his representation as often as they are. They're trying
to make nice with him as much as possible and
give him whatever he wants so that he stays.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, does he want Lebron gone this year?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
That's a good I have to assume that Lebron came
up in these discussions, and Lucas says, you guys are
doing Lebron dirty. That's not right. You guys got to
make this right. I'm pretty sure they would have done that. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
He's an admirer of Lebron's, as many of the young
guys in the league are. But he may also know
if we could redistribute the fifty three million dollars going
to him and find a couple of complimentary pieces that
are younger, that are good still right now, because if
I'm Luca, the other thing is Lebron is complaining, by
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the way, and we are judging him based off of
complaining that he wants to win rights. It is kind
of humorous in that way, like how dare you want
to win? Lebron? This is disgusting now he wants to
win maybe his way. And we used to talk about
this with Kobe all the time. And Lebron will come
in and inject clutch sports into your franchise and you
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will trade off the future to win now with him,
and if you get one ring out of it, I
think it's all worth it. And he's one wherever he
is gone. He's won with the Lakers two. But this
might be the first time or first of all, if
I'm Luca, I'm saying, like, wait a second, guys, this
whole talk and I think it may be just talk
by the Lakers to make Lebron think that they aren't
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trying to win immediately, so he asked to leave and
they can get him out of town. I think it's
just that because if they're really saying, ah, we're looking
two years down the line to twenty twenty seven, that
doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Also, if
I'm Luka doncic, hey, hold up, now, hold up, now,
hold up, I mean this is something where Lucas should
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be Like, I know, I'm twenty six turning twenty seven
this year. I've already been to the Western Conference finals twice.
I've been to an NBA finals. I don't need much
more seasoning. Actually, I'm ready now. My prime is now.
I don't want to wait two years from now. You
can make a case that he's actually this past season
he was worse than the season before. Yeah, is he
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getting better or is he gonna slowly start getting worse
now he's lost weight, And that's an aspect to this.
But Luca probably should want the same thing Lebron does,
just maybe not being aligned with Lebron being on the team,
Lucas should want to win. Maybe he doesn't want Lebron
to be his running mate though.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, Well, there's also a couple of things can be
true too. I do believe obviously that Luca wants to win.
But the Lakers, and we've talked about the salary cap
aprons that came in last season and how that changes
the metrics of how you have to build your rosters.
The Lakers are looking a few years down the road,
trying to find a way to compete now and in
the future without hamstringing themselves. Yes, so that is very
difficult to do.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
The fine players that are good now and are going
to continue to be good in the future is very
difficult because teams aren't giving them away.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Jake Levravia was a nice pick up in that way,
but he doesn't replace DFS. Is better this year? Correct
that he is, he may be better in the future.
And that's where I think Lebron is like, wait a second,
what's going on?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, well, the problem is like DFS is great right
now and next year. But now, granted, I know the
last two years of his dealer are unguaranteed for Houston,
which was smart on their part to do that. That
was interesting and probably smart on his part just to Hey,
I want to get a four year deal and bet
on myself and then I'm still playing at a high level.
When I'm thirty.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Four, cap goes up, he can get more money on
the last contract.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Right, But I understand the Lakers saying like, we don't
want to risk if, indeed, if their report was true
that his ankle is messed up or whatever it is,
and it's a ticking time bomb. Now we're paying thirteen
and a half million dollars for the next three four
years to a guy who's not going to be very productive.
That's dead weight on the cap. I understand from a
team building standpoint why the Lakers want to try to
keep their options open, whether it's for twenty twenty seven
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for Yannis or Donovan Mitchell or whomever else, Jokic, whomever
is going to be on the free agent market at
that point in time. Yo bah Bua, who since we
brought him up earlier, also brought this up, saying that
his sources are saying the Lakers don't necessarily have twenty
two twenty seven as a grand plan in place. They
just want to make sure they have flexibility with the
cap with draft picks so that if and when a
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star player comes available, they have the ammunition to go
out and get them. And if they have a bunch
of Jared Vanderbilt type contracts on their books for the
next three to four years. That's going to significantly hurt
their ability to go out and get a star player,
whether that's a free agent in twenty twenty seven or
if some star player asked out at the trade deadline
this year.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
It's almost like they looked across town and said, Wow,
the Clippers are trying to be good now in the
present and trying to win in the future and have
that flexibility to reload being nimble. With the new CBA
world we're living in now, it's different. Clippers don't have
a guy that's twenty six that's a star like Yuka
Kawhi is going to be thirty four, James Harden's going
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to be thirty six. But the point remains in that
they are kind of on a two timeline thing where
they're trying to be good and compete as much as
they can right now as long as it doesn't cripple
their future in any way, because everybody is kind of
trying to thread that needle now and it's very difficult,
and they're looking ahead to free agents and possible guys.
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My point has been this, you can look ahead I
mean three weeks ago, Sga was slaved to be a
free agent in twenty twenty seven, Well guess what he
got the extension. With this new CBA, less teams, I
think are gonna be prone than ever to let the
elite of the elite go and be unrestricted free agents.
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Those days of seeing a Kawhi being an unrestricted free agent,
I think that is gone. They're too valuable to teams
Because of the new CBA. You can't lose them for
nothing like Orlando did with Shaq back in the day.
So I think there's less of a chance. You can
plan all you want to for the future, but you're
gonna have to have some good fortune. Where I think
most teams are looking at is who's gonna be the
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next disgruntled guy? Who could be the next Luca where
there was obviously an issue with him in Dallas and
we didn't all know about it happened, But who could
be the next guy like that? What if things don't
go well for the Minnesota Timberwolves because they just put
themselves in a place where they have a very high standard.
They've been to the Western Conference Finals in the last
two years with a different core, but Anthony Edwards is
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the guy. What if they don't make it there? This
year looks like a step back at some point, Anthony
Edwards grows frustrated, sees that they're not going over the
second apron and they're not spending enough. Like that's what
teams I think are realistically looking at when it comes
to gain those stars, and the Lakers are doing it too.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That's an interesting outlook and I want to touch more
on that when we get back from break because talking
about star players and franchises not being willing to let
them go, there was a star player earlier this week
who said he was not going to sign an extension
with his current franchise, one of the faces of the league,
multiple time MVP. Is it feasible that he could be
on the move because they are scared that he might
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not remain and sign a contract extension. We'll talk about
that coming up next and five to seventy LA Sports
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Speaker 1 (21:37):
A six six nine.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Don't call because Ronnie's not gonna pick up yet, not
right now.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
He's gonna block you. He's gonna face you to face
you out. Yeah, exactly, good Chairman of the board.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So, Adam, you were talking about the changing waves in
the NBA and how the new salary cap apron and
guys signing these massive extensions and teams not being willing
to let superstar players walk away like maybe they were
more willing to do in the past. And that got
me to thinking about a story I saw earlier this week,
a couple of them. One there was a report that
na Kola Jokic does not intend, at least right now,
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to sign a contract extension with the Denver Nuggets, which
we many people find interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Eh I raised an eyebrow. He may have talked about
it even while I was doing a live Clippers talk like,
oh oh, this is cool right here.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, So as Laker fans thought it was sacrilege that
they would ever trade someone like Shaquille O'Neal, I mean,
the Kola Jokic, multiple time MVP Finals MVP face of
that Denver Nugget franchise, has done literally all world for them.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
He's the best player in the game to me, easily.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I don't think there's a debate, to be honest with you,
I'm right there with you, lost step.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Some might say, sga and while.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
He's creeping, he's creeping, He's right there, He's nibbling at
his heels.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
He's amazing, and it does hurt me, not that bad.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
He's a former Clipper or anything. Why would you say that.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I remember being there. I remember talking to him Ralf Night,
I was there. You got sayga, no Oksey thunder.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So let's say the Nuggets have an inkling that Jokic
is not going to resign, or they just don't know,
you don't. I want to have a walk here. I
want to know what it's like to be courted and
loved in free agency. I want to see what's out
there with your line of thinking. Do you think it
enters the mind of Josh Kronki and the Denver Nuggets
that they might actually, as Kobe once said, ship his
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ass out.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, there was something said recently by one of the Kronky's.
I don't know if it was Josh. I don't know
if they have their own gym bus type of Kronky there.
There was something said before, and it was out of
nowhere and kind of unprovoked that he mentioned if we
don't get this right, then we're starting to talk about
(23:47):
trading Nikoloa Jokic.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
He did a radio interview. You're right. I believe it
was Josh, and I don't know if he was being
tongue in cheek or if he was being serious. I
saw the quote, I didn't hear what he said. I
don't know what the context was.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I heard it and I didn't like it. Because it
was unnecessary, it was unprompted. There was no reason to
go there with it and cause and sound the alarms.
You know, if we don't get things right. Now we're
talking about trading Nikola jokicch He just gave out his number.
I think it was his Jersey number. Didn't call him
by name, but we all know what he meant. Here's
the thing. While I got excited for a second thinking, oh,
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Nikola Jokic could be a free agent in the summer
of twenty twenty seven because he's getting paid fifty five
million this year, fifty nine million next year, but then
he has a player option in the summer of twenty
twenty seven he will opt out. Of course, it was
breaking news he's going to opt out of the sixty
two million because he can make much more then. But
he can make much more now too, And I think
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this is mostly about the money right now, and he
is always well. Usually it's great to be on and
getting paid to do some FNA podcast today on a
seventy LA sports. It is often about the money. But
he can take two hundred million now, but he could
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get I think too, eighty next summer. Somewhere in that
range if he waits. Now, if it's somebody like Luca,
where you could get two twenty three now, or you
could take one hundred and sixty on a three year
instead of taking the two twenty for four years, nikol
Jokic still has some injury insurance because Luca doesn't take
(25:26):
the money and he just has his player option for
next season. Jokic has money for next season and the
year after that is the player option, so he has
a little bit more of a buffer in case there
was an injury this year, so he would be more
likely to do this, which he has. But I think
right now it's not so much about putting pressure like
he's Lebron James on the front office to put together
(25:48):
a really good roster. We'll see. I want to see
what you guys and what happens this season, and then
maybe I'll make my decision on returning to the Denver Nuggets.
I think this is about eighty million dollars more, and
his agent is advising him that you can get paid
more next summer. Just wait, because I think then he
has ten years in the league and he can make
thirty five percent of the cap. You know, I know
(26:10):
just enough of the cap and new CBA to get
myself in trouble. Yeah, like I'm a dumb.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So SGA just signed where he's making an average annual
value of what's seventy one million dollars a year or
something like that. Yes, So when Jokic is going to
be up and let's say he plays this out and
gets his player option and opts out, he's probably looking
at making the way the cap goes and these TV
deals eighty plus million dollars per season.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Maybe at the very end of it is possible. It
still could be seventy It depends. They're all cap projections.
Everybody just expects it to go up ten percent per year,
but we don't know until we do correct like right
before the season or the off season starts that new
offseason triggers. So that's the difference here. Okay, Nikola Jokicic,
(26:55):
I'm not overly concerned if I'm a Denver Nuggets fan,
and I'm not overly excited if I'm an l's looking
at this because remember he's best friends with Luca. Correct,
that would be the guy to bring to the Lakers.
That's one of the guys that you know, he's scheduled
to be a free agent in the summer of twenty
twenty seven, but he won't be. He will have an
extension before then, and you will have to trade for him.
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That is the only way you're gonna end up getting him,
because I don't think any player is going to take
that risk of not having somewhat of a contract because
of the injury concerns, Like, there's no way he's just
going to be an unrestricted free agent without having that
player option that season. I know that's a little bit
messy and inside baseball or inside NBACBA, but I don't
(27:39):
think that's very realistic anymore for players of his ilk
to become true unrestricted free agents where there can be
a bidding war over him, because first of all, there's
incentive for you to stay with your initial ball club.
You can make more money that way, so ball clubs
have the advantage to retain their own guys.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
And very few teams have the amount of money in
free agency to actually go out and sign big name
free agency unless you call your shot early. Maybe he is,
maybe he's not, I don't know. Gives a little hint
out there, and they do these two back channels. It
doesn't necessarily have to be publicly through agents and a
bunch of other people. Oh, somebody might be looking at
the market coming up here in a couple of years
when he's a free agent. You might want to get
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your books ready. We've seen it happen. I mean, Kevin Durant,
Lebron James did a free agency tour before he signed
with the Heatles. It's not totally unprecedented that players have
done these sorts of things in the past.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's just the new CBA to me, is that game changer.
I don't think we're seeing it from the top tier
guys anymore. I don't think teams will let it get
to that point where they haven't offered them something because
like if he's not a top tier guy, like say,
if it's Tree Young, he has a player option for
after this season. Atlanta has done a nice job retooling.
I actually like how their works and it seems to
(28:52):
be built around him, so I don't expect him to leave.
But Atlanta might try to play hardball because they don't
want to give him the same max that Lucas do
for the two twenty three or whatever it is they
may want to offer him one to eighty because he
hasn't been as good. Well, they'll risk it because of
that too, they would risk losing him. Therefore, he's not
one of these Tier one guys I'm talking about with
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Luca or with Jokic, or with Kad and his prime,
or with Lebron and his prime, those guys, those once
in a lifetime guys. I don't think any team is
going to lose to unrestricted free agency like they used to.
So all these teams, so you can plan all you want.
You can plan a pretty pick nick, you can predict
the web.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Well, there's another potential pending free agent in twenty twenty
seven that we can get into when we can continue
this conversation coming up next hour, because this person actually
spoke on the record with an interview and had a
very nebulous response when asked about his future at his
current destination. So we could talk about that coming up
in the next hour. But in the next segment, Adam
(29:52):
has a hot take when it comes to Clayton Kershaw
in the All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I mean, I don't know if it's that hot since
we're in Los Angeles, well, but people outside of LA
could be very upset because I kind of think Clayton
Kershaw should be starting in the All Star Game. A
guy who got the nod because he's an MLB legend,
not based upon the actual season. He is having to
(30:16):
be an All Star. I'm gonna take it up in
ash Okay. Not only should be an All Star, he
should be starting. And I don't mean throwing out the
first pitch like he's a fan or anything like that.
I mean throwing out the first pitch in the game.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I'm gonna take it to another level. You're way out
of line. LA sports is Kevin figures in Adam Auslin
sitting in for Rogan and Rodney once again. Dodger tickets
between now and three o'clock for August fourth between the
Cardinals and Dodgers. Keep listening in for the qu to
call and we'll let you know. But coming up next
we'll talk Clayton Kersher on the Dodgers at the All
Star Game in Atlanta, AM five to seventy. LA Sports
(30:49):
Kevin figures Adam Alston in for Rogan and Rodney.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Welcome back in. It's Rogan and Rodney, but the boys
are in. It's the fn A takeover f and A Cotton. Yeah,
we're here. Yeah, you heard our Mike Crack. We may
have a special guest because first of all, oh, here
we go, Fred didn't like that introduction.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, let me just say this. I appreciate that you
guys are doing it today. Thank you. You're doing a
terrific job. So much so I thought I better rush in.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
But by the way, you're listening to the voice of
Fred Rogan, the.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Man whose name is on the show.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah. But the thing is, when I hear that you're
running your own branding. Wow, what do you mean the brand?
Oh Figures and Adam, I get it. Yeah, you're running
your own show. Open.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
We do have our own show open that says this
is the f and A takeover. We did not run that.
We didn't want to disrespect you and Rodney and do that,
although we could have.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I did exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
So is the sensible one here obviously.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So I'm just hanging out here for a bit because
I'm not doing our show today.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
What do you got going on?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
They asked me to do KFI and filling for Tim
Conway this after.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, they shoes to fill.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I'm doing Tim Conway's show. So when they asked me.
Michelle Cube, who's the executive producer of KFI, texted me
on Monday and said, hey, can you fill in for
Tim on Friday night? I said, I'll get back to
you tomorrow. That was my plan. I'd think about it.
Then I figured, Kevin, we do our show and I'd
go over there. But I didn't get back to her
fast enough. Okay, So then she texted me and she goes, listen,
(32:26):
if you agree, if you do Tim Conway, Brian Long,
we'll have somebody fill in for you on Friday. I went, oh, well, okay,
then I don't have to do both shows.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Ton deal if I both the door.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
If I had responded quicker, I would have done both,
but she said just do Tim Conway. And I don't
think Brian Long thought the two of you would be
doing this though that I think now this is a
different story.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I better recognize.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Saying that you're now regretting the fact that you didn't
get back to Mi Shew earlier is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Godam okay, you're saying we crashed the car of the
Roken and Robbie show to.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
People that listen to the show. No, No, we crashed
the car you are. We're the ones that crash the car.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, well today is we don't care.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
We don't care anything goes on Friday.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
We're kind of glad you're here for this segment because
we're talking Dodgers here. I know you guys do that
a lot too. This is part of the mandate and
it's kind of a big deal because the All Star
Games coming up, and you know, Clayton Kershaw got that
legacy All Star nod. I want to take it up
a notch. I'm thinking he's not just there. It's not
(33:35):
some token All Star nod. Clayton Kershaw should be starting,
and there's a route to make this happen. There is
a route for this to happen. Dave Roberts, an OL
manager Paul Skeens is in love with him. It would
be him if it's not Kershaw. He doesn't care, he
doesn't care at all. He's got Libby Dunns. He's probably
(33:57):
doing backlips like in Hot Shots Part two on a
him like he's he's happy, he's fine, And he said
he's gonna follow around Clayton Kershaw all weekend long or
all week long at the All Star Game because that's
his favorite pitcher growing up, and he's obsessed with him,
so that's that's his hero, he would acquiesce. I mean,
this is not the first time this has happened. Do
(34:19):
you remember the NBA when Vince Carter back in two
thousand and three stepped aside in the starting lineup for
Michael Jordan. The same thing could happen with Clayton Kershaw starting.
I don't care what type of year he's had. It's
an exhibition game. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Am I wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
You are.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Go down the hall?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be going soon. No you are, Adam,
Come on. That position has to be earned. I understand
it's an exhibition game. Everybody loves Clayton Kershaw, but at
this point, Paul Skeines is the starter. Now, if Clayton pitches,
that's great, And I understand what you're saying about the
ceremony of it. No way, no way. You have to
earn a starting knot on the hill in the All
(34:59):
Star Game, and Clayton Kershaw is there kind of in
a ceremonial role, which is great, and I hope he
gets in the game, but I don't start him.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
What if the NL All Star team wants him out there.
What if they think this could be his swan song,
his final season. That's probably why Rob Manford made sure
he was there in the first place.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
If that's the case, then let him pitch at some point.
What does it matter?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Let him start, because that it's it's he's in his rhythm.
He's in his usual starter role, like we don't we
don't want to mix him up coming.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
The game does gonna start at seven, ten, So it's
he's outside of his rhythm anyway, It doesn't matter to.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Pitch seven to ten Pacific that night, correct? And what
times the game start? Five?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Five, something like that?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Right? Yeah, so he fised seven.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
He's already thrown off yours in.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
This absolutely never happens. I actually agree with Fred what yeah,
thank you, Paul exactly. That's how wrong I am here
in a mirror on that one at him.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Kershaw voted in, are placed in by the commissioner. Great,
whatever works for me as well. If he gets in
the game, great, But I don't think he should start.
I think people come in, especially off the bat, to
see the stars of the game, and no pitcher in
Baseball is bigger than Paul Skins, and even Dave Roberts
recognizes that he knows the spectacle of it all right,
So it's an easy decision to put Skins in there.
(36:12):
And if you want to bring Kershaw on the game,
bring him in later. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
You think this is some two on one where I'm
gonna be out guns here, no, no, never outgunned. I'm
saying this like you're already out gun No no, no, no, no, no, no,
no outnumber not out gun. I got too right here, Fred,
what if I tell you this?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Jesus hey, No, I want to ask you this.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Question seriously, quiz hotshot. What happened last year in the
All Star Game? What was so eventful in it?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Tell me?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Tell me about last year's All Star Game? Tell me
about it.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Fred? Who won?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
No idea?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
You should at least guess American League since they always
win American So there wasn't some big moment. There wasn't
some moment that will live forever. Huh see. I kind
of feel like the biggest moment in any All Star
Game ever was from our guy who wasn't even in
the league at the time. It was Magic Johnson in
ninety two. He wasn't even playing for the Lakers and
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they brought him into the All Star Game and he
had that tremendous performance and everybody gave him hugs afterwards.
That's the stuff we remember, like, why don't we have
something like that?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
For I remember Yoka hitting like a forty five foot
or a couple of years ago when the game that
no one cared about, and know I will play defense.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
That's okay. Well, I just think this is more it's
more important, Like I'm all for the meritocracy stuff. It
should be based on merit. It already isn't. Clayton Kershaw
himself has said, I'm not obviously not having an All
Star season. They created this legacy loophole for guys like him.
Take it one step further and have him come out
as the starting pitcher. That's what you would remember from
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this All Star Game because not much else is gonna happen.
I think that's gonna be that memorable.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Fread what could that happen? Maybe maybe the reality is
I just don't think it should happen, all right.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I don't think anybody will remember it regardless. No one's
gonna remember Clayton Kershall started the All Star Game this year,
No more so than who started last year, the year
before or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I'll remember because then I would have been right.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, that's what it is. You'd be the one. You'd
be the one at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, or you have no wife and the hell I
couldn't tell you.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
We got to get to Bill Plunkett here. We're already
behind Fred. What do you have coming up today on
a Tim Conway show? Do you know?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Do you have any idea?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
I might just show up and just sit down and
just like all right, big dogs, high producers down the
car chase, so.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
We have State Assemblyman Carl Demail who will come on
and explain why the people you will liked in the
state of California to go up to Sacramento or a
bunch of cowards. That'll be on. Okay, I love that. Uh,
that's coming it hot, that's right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
We all heard Mayor.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Butt's coming on, because I know that's happening, of course
he is.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I'm just gonna say, you know who's coming on, gotta
bring my my buddy, the mayor on. That's great and
at six twenty j Flats now Jay Flatts. You know
the name, think about it. Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
He used to be the Rascal's cousin that no, that
is not Rascal's cousin.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
He used to be the guy at the King's Game
that would do the inn stadium and noun. Anyway, he's
now been hired and he's a friend, but he's now
been hired to do the Wheel of Fortune road show.
And they take Wheel of Fortune around the company around
the country, and they do it at places and people.
They play the game and it's just like the TV show,
only they do it on the road. I think it's
pretty interesting. So he's going to be on coming up
(39:18):
at six twenty.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
You know how conniving Fred Rogan is. He's purposefully taking
this segment longer so we don't end up getting Bill
Plunket on in the very next segment. He is sabotaging
us doing his show.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
We were supposed to call Bill Plunkett four minutes ago.
This is what you do, Fred, We'll call him.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
We're over the clock.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Well the clock has been destroyed, so what.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Are you still from last hour?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yes, we are.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Don't that like this doesn't happen to.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
You and Roddy, it's the final time you guys are.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Ever doing this.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Okay for four minutes over from last hour. Oh, this
is like a standard Friday or Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
on the show. Yeah, it doesn't matter who's in this chair.
Had to yell at Big Ben and Jonas yesterday.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
We keep receipts here, Fred, sorry to hear above it.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Jesus, thank you Fred. All right, I love you Fred
on KFI M six forty, filling in for the great
Tim Conway coming up later this afternoon. Coming up next
for us here on Rogan and Rodney, it is Bill
Plunkett from the OC Register out at San Francisco. As
we get ready for Dodgers and Giants in the Bay Area.
Kevin figures Adam Alslin in for Rogan and Rodney on
a M five to seventy LA Sports
Now that's the f and A takeover. I'm at a
masl and we got k Fake here in burbank Eth
and a Cotton Rogan and Rodney. Today we got you
guys for the next two hours. Here coming up, Bill
Plunkett will continue the Dodgers conversation we had a little
bit earlier. Do they need help? Do they need a bay?
Do the Dodgers really need more help? Do they not
have enough? Kevin? You know, most people from the outside
(00:25):
looking in are saying, I got the world's smallest violin
right now playing for the Dodgers and their problems that
are going on, because they still have a lineup that
anybody else would come it.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yeah, everybody is envious of the Dodgers right now because
as much as we're complaining about how poorly they're playing,
and they've all six in a row when everybody's hurt,
and what's with their bullpen and they're starting, they have
the second best rekerd in baseball by the Detroit Tigers,
who came out of nowhere. We thought people thought the
Tigers would be good coming off of last year's playoff birth,
but not this good. So the Dodgers essentially have they
have the second best record all of baseball despite the
(00:58):
fact that they have all these issues, And I think that,
more than anything, as a testament to the organizational depth
that they've built, the fact that you have all these
MVPs and they can be in the midst of a slump,
but you can have a guy like a Pias who's
a borderline All Star, who's playing amazingly. Max Munsey, who
was bad pretty much all of last season, especially offensively,
started out terribly this year. People were talking about get
(01:18):
rid of them, basically turn himself into basically a borderline
All Star as well, before he ended up getting injured.
You have an embarrassment of riches in the starting staff,
in the minor leagues, in the bullpen, especially in the lineup.
Now the attrition is starting to catch up a little bit,
and I think I brought this up earlier this week
when we thought we were on with Fred. They never,
at any point this season have had things clicking on
(01:39):
all cylinders, and even with that, they still have the
second best record in all of baseball.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Walking back to Hardball, you know Don McLain would often
say it, and I think he was the first person
to say it at least he was to me, it's
about your margin for error. Sure, and he would say
this regarding basketball a lot, But I think the Dodgers
have a wide margin for error. They could be missing
all these guys, they could not be playing their best,
and they're still in first place in their division, best
team in the National League, and they still have a
(02:05):
chance if they sweep the Giants coming up this weekend
up eight games in the division.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah. So look, I'm not doing gloom and saying they
should sit people and all that stuff. I mean, it's
it's I'm just trying to be trying to project forward,
you know, until later in the season, and if here's
an opportunity to get guys a little bit of extra
rests going into the All Star break where they'll have
even more extended rest, I think that would behoove them
more than say, put these guys back out there, risk
them a further hinduring injuring themselves, and b not making
(02:31):
much of a difference because they aren't playing well right now. Anyway,
that's my outlook on it.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well, and you bring it up like that with the
too pronged approach, I think my argument falls flat. I
think it got me there, Kevin. I guess nobody's playing tonight.
No Freeman, no TODDI, no Mookie, No Triple A Dodgers
save them to all with the All Star Break exactly.
They're Triple A team better than the team here with.
I think they're that good. I think they're that good.
They have the best form international scouting ever in the
(02:58):
history of sports, the Dodgers.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
But it's one of those like, oh, I think the
Dodgers Triple A team can beat the Chicago White Sox.
You're gonna hit me with one of those.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's not like what's the college team you'd always say,
could they.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Beat a pro Alabama? It was Alabama during Saban's tenures.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Alab basketball though, Was it Kentucky who said it for basketball?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Right?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Yeah? Now that's just ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Speaking of we had the conversation about Bronnie James and
there was much to get into, like how he missed
the game winning shot because it's skip. Bayless said, like
father likes son, he misses a game winner at the
end of that game and the Lakers lose by two
last night and a summer league opener in Vegas for
them against Cooper Flag and the Dallas Mavericks. But something
(03:38):
else came out today, Kevin that maybe we buried the
lead a little bit on now. Even though look, we've
had this conversation a lot, I feel like we've been
on top of it. We'd be knowing, we knew that
this was the case. But now there's some reporting that
kind of backs what we were feeling with this schism
between Lebron and the Lakers. Reportedly.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Yeah. So up in ESPN today from Ramona Shellburn and
Brian Wenthors talking about the transition from Lebron James to
Luka Doncik and the Laker organization, which of course makes
all the sense in the world. We understand that Luca
just entering into his prime years and Lebron James phenomenally
as he's playing still at this point in time, is
on the back nine, and we acknowledge that. So they
(04:21):
do it right up talking about this infamous dinner at
Craigs that the Laker brass had with Luka Doncik and
his agent. There were his pictures earlier this week on
TEMZ from it.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
The way they talk about this dinner, if things go
well for the Lakers and Luca, like fifteen years from now,
Rob Polinka is going to be like, yeah, it was
such an amazing time. That was the moment. I mean,
Heath Ledger was there too. It was amazing, Like what
a what a night that was with why Like, that's
what it's going to turn into the pathology of this
(04:50):
dinner in Craigs.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
But this wasn't just you know, the Laker brass just
hob nobbing it with Luca, you know, having a good
time and yucking it up. Apparently Polenka had this ginormous
bunk and it was basically a business meeting talking about
the future of the franchise with Luca in tow. Hopefully
that he extends how the roster's gonna look, explaining the
second apron and team building and how that's gonna look
with Luka Doncik as part of the equation.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
So, Luca, our draft picks could get frozen, our first
round draft picks if we go over the second apron.
Do you care about that? No? No, no, I don't.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I'm sure he doesn't. Yeah. The big omission as from
this dinner is Lebron James. Lebron James, of course, a
pending free agent for the first time in his career,
by the way, has never been a lame duck going
into a contract year for a franchise, and he now
sees himself in that situation. And according to this reporting
from Ramona and Wendy, it sounds as if the Lakers
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have given Lebron James and Rich Paul the cold shoulder.
The fact that Lebron James wasn't consultant on the Anthony
Davis trade, the fact that he wasn't consulted on Mark
Williams at all, despite the fact that Anthony Davis what
a week before he got traded, two weeks before, said man,
I wish the Lakers are bringing a center and move
me back to power forward.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
No, that had to hurt. For years, Clutch and Ad
and Lebron have been asking for another center, specifically just
so Ad can move to power forward because he doesn't
like to be that physical out there. I guess he said,
we got you a center. It's waiting in Dallas. You
got two now that can play center. But that that
had to burn them a little bit because they asked
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for it for years. Luca gets there one week and
they make a trade for Mark Williams.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, so that one along with this last one I
think are the big ones for me. The last point
is they did not, and they had been reported initially,
they didn't offer Lebron James a contract extension. They didn't
even have conversations with him about his future. Usually, now,
granted you have an aging superstar who's making a lot
of money, making fifty three million plus, he'd be making
sixty million plus on any sort of extension, you would
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at least sit down and say, hey, Lucas here, we
love you, you're great, you're forty, you brought us a championship.
We can't justify paying you this amount of money moving
forward in the future. We'd like to keep you, but
we can't keep you at this at this price point.
And that's if you don't want to do that. We
get it, but we at least owe you the courtesy
to tell you how things are going. And it sounds
as if that courtesy was not paid to Lebron James,
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to which if that's the case, if I were him,
I would be upset. It makes sense to me.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
What's interesting is from this report, Lebron jameson Clutch before
they released their statement, talking about where they were at
the annual I need more help type of conversation. They
told Luca about this before it dropped before And the
part that gets everybody going is because it sounds past tense.
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It is we are very appreciative of the partnership that
we've had for eight years with Geenie Buss and Rob
Polnka and consider the Lakers as a critical part of
his career. It all sounds like you're waving toba.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
It sounds like you're waiting for therefore, we are now
requesting a trade and that that line never came.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
But they made sure to give Lou how could the
heads up on what was coming with that press release.
The Lakers were not his fourth right with Lebron about
their scheming behind the scenes at Craig's at dinner talking
with Luca Lebron, you're not invited. And maybe he was
in a boost somewhere with a wig on and had
like the menu over his nose, just peering out.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
And yeah, I'm sure all six s eate in two
hundred and seventy pounds, Lebron. James just blend into the background.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Lavoyer, he was, he was in that conversation. Somehow He's
got here somewhere. Uh, this is the first time, as
you mentioned, in Lebron James' career, that he's at a
point where teams aren't bending over backwards for him. And
it's new and he's got to get used to it
at the age of forty. And we talked about it
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earlier this week. It was telling Jovon Bouja, formerly of
the Athletic now with YouTube doing a great out there.
Johas blah Boo. He uses the Petros Papadakis throw it
to him, I guess.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Trying to a real show.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
He pointed out there was no pressure release of Lebron
at least opting in to the fifty million dollars that
he has left on his contract. They didn't celebrate it,
they didn't talk about it, and so from their side,
they're giving him the cold shoulder, as you say, And
is that the impetus for why Lebron is now doing
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kind of the same thing and why Deandreton said, oh,
he hasn't talked to Lebron at his introductory press conference.
Lebron is not playing nice. He's back in Cleveland. There's
all this messaging and subtext and is Lebron James you know,
being not so subtle about what he's trying to tell
the Lakers with the situation. Probably he does this. He's
done this plenty of times before.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, the subtweeting and all that, the Cleveland hats.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
I just think there's an easy answer. I think they
both won out. I think the Lakers would like to
move on and they don't want to be the bad
guys or take the pr hit of trading without him
knowing at least the best player of all time. No,
he has a no trade clause, but if they traded
him to New York, I think he'd waive it. Yeah,
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that's what Cleve I think is realistic Cleveland, though, that's
that damn second that they had to tell Luca Dodgers
about at the meeting.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
They'd have to Cleveland would have to make another move,
and I know there's reports falling around the last couple
of days that the only way Cleveland entertaining it is
if Lebron gets bought out, which the Lakers are not
going to do.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I think Lebron and the reason they released that statement
initially was because it happened, correct me if I'm wrong,
But right after DFS was leaving or they heard that
Dorian Phaniel Smith was going to be leaving. There were
some different reports on that and Lebron, for him, that's
a guy who's thirty thirty one. He's a win now player,
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and it kind of was telling to Lebron that you're
not the guy anymore. We're not on your timeline. We're
waiting for that next era. We're opening up this new
window with Luka Doncic.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Okay, which is fine, but if that's the case, you
at least owe what to have that conversation with him.
It's very chicken bleep to just say like, no, we're
just not gonna talk about it. Sorry, Lebron, Oh lost
your number, ah, missed your phone call, Just not gonna
acknowledge it. Like people, Lebron is not dumb. He knows
he's forty now. Granted, he has an ego about him
and you know, he's a phenomenal player and all that.
(11:16):
But the Lakers are building for the future, and Luca
Doncik is that future. Lebron James, you can still fit
into the plant and look, maybe to your point, maybe
he's not in the plans. They're ready to be out
of the business. But you know what, if that's the case,
had that conversation too, I don't think anybody will be
mad at the Laker organization or Clutch if they both
sat down and said, you know what, we had a
conversation and at this point in time we're on diverging pathways.
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I think it's best for each of us to move on.
They could have done that two days before free agency started.
They could have facilitated the trade somewhere and they could
have been done with it. But if it really is
this cold war standoff between Clutch and the Lakers, and
nobody wants to flinch, but nobody wants anything to do
with each other, that just sets that just makes this
entire year tenuous and awkward. Who wants to deal with that?
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I think it's intentional by the Lakers to be passive aggressive,
just like Lebron is all the time with his cryptic stuff,
to upset him, to make him ask out and ask
for the trade. You be the bad guy here with
the pr hit Now, A lot of Lakers fans will say.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
By at the door, hit you in the ass sentiment
For a lot of fans, yeah, they'd be fine.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
With it, of course, But there's a bigger picture here
with his legacy, especially nationally, where you don't want a
messy divorce from one of the pre eminent franchises in
all of sports, and that to be near the end
of your career. Sometimes that stuff doesn't matter. Sometimes it sticks,
and that's something people think of right away when they
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think of you.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
Well, it sticks too, because let's not forget Lebron James
might be in the twilight of his career. Clutch Sports
ain't going anywhere. And I looked it up earlier. Six
percent of the league is represented by Clutch. So you're
gonna have to deal with Clutch and Rich Paul and
clients in the future. Now, it's not gonna affect someone
that you draft to sign on a rookie scale, But
if it's between you and let's say, excuse me, the Clippers,
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oh yeah, that can actually matter. I like it. You know,
your relationship you know with Clutch Sports is very is
vitally important to your future in building around Luka Doncik.
That's something they can't get lost in all of this.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
It would be who you to play nice? Yes with
Rich Paul, because this isn't the end of that relationship
with Clutch. No, that totally makes sense. It'll be advantageous
for them to do it in that way. You could
say they dropped the ball a little lot, a little bit,
but maybe they are so turned off and they are
desperate to move on to that next era because they
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have their guy. And I wonder about this, what does
Luca want? Are they doing what Luca wants? They want
to be doing that obviously, that's the biggest thing for
the Lakers right now. He's got a contract signing that
could be on August second, for two hundred and twenty
million dollars.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Well, that's why they're having these Craigs dinners and meeting
with his representation as often as they are. They're trying
to make nice with him as much as possible and
give him whatever he wants so that he stays.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Well, does he want Lebron gone this year?
Speaker 2 (14:10):
That's a good I have to assume that Lebron came
up in these discussions, and Lucas says, you guys are
doing Lebron dirty. That's not right. You guys got to
make this right. I'm pretty sure they would have done that. Now.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
He's an admirer of Lebron's, as many of the young
guys in the league are. But he may also know
if we could redistribute the fifty three million dollars going
to him and find a couple of complimentary pieces that
are younger, that are good still right now, because if
I'm Luca, the other thing is Lebron is complaining, by
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the way, and we are judging him based off of
complaining that he wants to win rights. It is kind
of humorous in that way, like how dare you want
to win? Lebron? This is disgusting now he wants to
win maybe his way. And we used to talk about
this with Kobe all the time. And Lebron will come
in and inject clutch sports into your franchise and you
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will trade off the future to win now with him,
and if you get one ring out of it, I
think it's all worth it. And he's one wherever he
is gone. He's won with the Lakers two. But this
might be the first time or first of all, if
I'm Luca, I'm saying, like, wait a second, guys, this
whole talk and I think it may be just talk
by the Lakers to make Lebron think that they aren't
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trying to win immediately, so he asked to leave and
they can get him out of town. I think it's
just that because if they're really saying, ah, we're looking
two years down the line to twenty twenty seven, that
doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Also, if
I'm Luka doncic, hey, hold up, now, hold up, now,
hold up, I mean this is something where Lucas should
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be Like, I know, I'm twenty six turning twenty seven
this year. I've already been to the Western Conference finals twice.
I've been to an NBA finals. I don't need much
more seasoning. Actually, I'm ready now. My prime is now.
I don't want to wait two years from now. You
can make a case that he's actually this past season
he was worse than the season before. Yeah, is he
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getting better or is he gonna slowly start getting worse
now he's lost weight, And that's an aspect to this.
But Luca probably should want the same thing Lebron does,
just maybe not being aligned with Lebron being on the team,
Lucas should want to win. Maybe he doesn't want Lebron
to be his running mate though.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Yeah, Well, there's also a couple of things can be
true too. I do believe obviously that Luca wants to win.
But the Lakers, and we've talked about the salary cap
aprons that came in last season and how that changes
the metrics of how you have to build your rosters.
The Lakers are looking a few years down the road,
trying to find a way to compete now and in
the future without hamstringing themselves. Yes, so that is very
difficult to do.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
The fine players that are good now and are going
to continue to be good in the future is very
difficult because teams aren't giving them away.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Correct.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Jake Levravia was a nice pick up in that way,
but he doesn't replace DFS. Is better this year? Correct
that he is, he may be better in the future.
And that's where I think Lebron is like, wait a second,
what's going on?
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Yeah, well, the problem is like DFS is great right
now and next year. But now, granted, I know the
last two years of his dealer are unguaranteed for Houston,
which was smart on their part to do that. That
was interesting and probably smart on his part just to Hey,
I want to get a four year deal and bet
on myself and then I'm still playing at a high level.
When I'm thirty.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Four, cap goes up, he can get more money on
the last contract.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Right, But I understand the Lakers saying like, we don't
want to risk if, indeed, if their report was true
that his ankle is messed up or whatever it is,
and it's a ticking time bomb. Now we're paying thirteen
and a half million dollars for the next three four
years to a guy who's not going to be very productive.
That's dead weight on the cap. I understand from a
team building standpoint why the Lakers want to try to
keep their options open, whether it's for twenty twenty seven
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for Yannis or Donovan Mitchell or whomever else, Jokic, whomever
is going to be on the free agent market at
that point in time. Yo bah Bua, who since we
brought him up earlier, also brought this up, saying that
his sources are saying the Lakers don't necessarily have twenty
two twenty seven as a grand plan in place. They
just want to make sure they have flexibility with the
cap with draft picks so that if and when a
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star player comes available, they have the ammunition to go
out and get them. And if they have a bunch
of Jared Vanderbilt type contracts on their books for the
next three to four years. That's going to significantly hurt
their ability to go out and get a star player,
whether that's a free agent in twenty twenty seven or
if some star player asked out at the trade deadline
this year.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
It's almost like they looked across town and said, Wow,
the Clippers are trying to be good now in the
present and trying to win in the future and have
that flexibility to reload being nimble. With the new CBA
world we're living in now, it's different. Clippers don't have
a guy that's twenty six that's a star like Yuka
Kawhi is going to be thirty four, James Harden's going
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to be thirty six. But the point remains in that
they are kind of on a two timeline thing where
they're trying to be good and compete as much as
they can right now as long as it doesn't cripple
their future in any way, because everybody is kind of
trying to thread that needle now and it's very difficult,
and they're looking ahead to free agents and possible guys.
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My point has been this, you can look ahead I
mean three weeks ago, Sga was slaved to be a
free agent in twenty twenty seven, Well guess what he
got the extension. With this new CBA, less teams, I
think are gonna be prone than ever to let the
elite of the elite go and be unrestricted free agents.
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Those days of seeing a Kawhi being an unrestricted free agent,
I think that is gone. They're too valuable to teams
Because of the new CBA. You can't lose them for
nothing like Orlando did with Shaq back in the day.
So I think there's less of a chance. You can
plan all you want to for the future, but you're
gonna have to have some good fortune. Where I think
most teams are looking at is who's gonna be the
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next disgruntled guy? Who could be the next Luca where
there was obviously an issue with him in Dallas and
we didn't all know about it happened, But who could
be the next guy like that? What if things don't
go well for the Minnesota Timberwolves because they just put
themselves in a place where they have a very high standard.
They've been to the Western Conference Finals in the last
two years with a different core, but Anthony Edwards is
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the guy. What if they don't make it there? This
year looks like a step back at some point, Anthony
Edwards grows frustrated, sees that they're not going over the
second apron and they're not spending enough. Like that's what
teams I think are realistically looking at when it comes
to gain those stars, and the Lakers are doing it too.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
That's an interesting outlook and I want to touch more
on that when we get back from break because talking
about star players and franchises not being willing to let
them go, there was a star player earlier this week
who said he was not going to sign an extension
with his current franchise, one of the faces of the league,
multiple time MVP. Is it feasible that he could be
on the move because they are scared that he might
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not remain and sign a contract extension. We'll talk about
that coming up next and five to seventy LA Sports
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the Q to call and we'll let you know how
you can win those tis.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
A six six nine.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Don't call because Ronnie's not gonna pick up yet, not
right now.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
He's gonna block you. He's gonna face you to face
you out. Yeah, exactly, good Chairman of the board.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So, Adam, you were talking about the changing waves in
the NBA and how the new salary cap apron and
guys signing these massive extensions and teams not being willing
to let superstar players walk away like maybe they were
more willing to do in the past. And that got
me to thinking about a story I saw earlier this week,
a couple of them. One there was a report that
na Kola Jokic does not intend, at least right now,
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to sign a contract extension with the Denver Nuggets, which
we many people find interesting.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Eh I raised an eyebrow. He may have talked about
it even while I was doing a live Clippers talk like,
oh oh, this is cool right here.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, So as Laker fans thought it was sacrilege that
they would ever trade someone like Shaquille O'Neal, I mean,
the Kola Jokic, multiple time MVP Finals MVP face of
that Denver Nugget franchise, has done literally all world for them.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
He's the best player in the game to me, easily.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
I don't think there's a debate, to be honest with you,
I'm right there with you, lost step.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Some might say, sga and while.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
He's creeping, he's creeping, He's right there, He's nibbling at
his heels.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
He's amazing, and it does hurt me, not that bad.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
He's a former Clipper or anything. Why would you say that.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
I remember being there. I remember talking to him Ralf Night,
I was there. You got sayga, no Oksey thunder.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
So let's say the Nuggets have an inkling that Jokic
is not going to resign, or they just don't know,
you don't. I want to have a walk here. I
want to know what it's like to be courted and
loved in free agency. I want to see what's out
there with your line of thinking. Do you think it
enters the mind of Josh Kronki and the Denver Nuggets
that they might actually, as Kobe once said, ship his
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ass out.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Well, there was something said recently by one of the Kronky's.
I don't know if it was Josh. I don't know
if they have their own gym bus type of Kronky there.
There was something said before, and it was out of
nowhere and kind of unprovoked that he mentioned if we
don't get this right, then we're starting to talk about
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trading Nikoloa Jokic.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
He did a radio interview. You're right. I believe it
was Josh, and I don't know if he was being
tongue in cheek or if he was being serious. I
saw the quote, I didn't hear what he said. I
don't know what the context was.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
I heard it and I didn't like it. Because it
was unnecessary, it was unprompted. There was no reason to
go there with it and cause and sound the alarms.
You know, if we don't get things right. Now we're
talking about trading Nikola jokicch He just gave out his number.
I think it was his Jersey number. Didn't call him
by name, but we all know what he meant. Here's
the thing. While I got excited for a second thinking, oh,
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Nikola Jokic could be a free agent in the summer
of twenty twenty seven because he's getting paid fifty five
million this year, fifty nine million next year, but then
he has a player option in the summer of twenty
twenty seven he will opt out. Of course, it was
breaking news he's going to opt out of the sixty
two million because he can make much more then. But
he can make much more now too, And I think
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this is mostly about the money right now, and he
is always well. Usually it's great to be on and
getting paid to do some FNA podcast today on a
seventy LA sports. It is often about the money. But
he can take two hundred million now, but he could
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get I think too, eighty next summer. Somewhere in that
range if he waits. Now, if it's somebody like Luca,
where you could get two twenty three now, or you
could take one hundred and sixty on a three year
instead of taking the two twenty for four years, nikol
Jokic still has some injury insurance because Luca doesn't take
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the money and he just has his player option for
next season. Jokic has money for next season and the
year after that is the player option, so he has
a little bit more of a buffer in case there
was an injury this year, so he would be more
likely to do this, which he has. But I think
right now it's not so much about putting pressure like
he's Lebron James on the front office to put together
(25:48):
a really good roster. We'll see. I want to see
what you guys and what happens this season, and then
maybe I'll make my decision on returning to the Denver Nuggets.
I think this is about eighty million dollars more, and
his agent is advising him that you can get paid
more next summer. Just wait, because I think then he
has ten years in the league and he can make
thirty five percent of the cap. You know, I know
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just enough of the cap and new CBA to get
myself in trouble. Yeah, like I'm a dumb.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
So SGA just signed where he's making an average annual
value of what's seventy one million dollars a year or
something like that. Yes, So when Jokic is going to
be up and let's say he plays this out and
gets his player option and opts out, he's probably looking
at making the way the cap goes and these TV
deals eighty plus million dollars per season.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Maybe at the very end of it is possible. It
still could be seventy It depends. They're all cap projections.
Everybody just expects it to go up ten percent per year,
but we don't know until we do correct like right
before the season or the off season starts that new
offseason triggers. So that's the difference here. Okay, Nikola Jokicic,
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I'm not overly concerned if I'm a Denver Nuggets fan,
and I'm not overly excited if I'm an l's looking
at this because remember he's best friends with Luca. Correct,
that would be the guy to bring to the Lakers.
That's one of the guys that you know, he's scheduled
to be a free agent in the summer of twenty
twenty seven, but he won't be. He will have an
extension before then, and you will have to trade for him.
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That is the only way you're gonna end up getting him,
because I don't think any player is going to take
that risk of not having somewhat of a contract because
of the injury concerns, Like, there's no way he's just
going to be an unrestricted free agent without having that
player option that season. I know that's a little bit
messy and inside baseball or inside NBACBA, but I don't
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think that's very realistic anymore for players of his ilk
to become true unrestricted free agents where there can be
a bidding war over him, because first of all, there's
incentive for you to stay with your initial ball club.
You can make more money that way, so ball clubs
have the advantage to retain their own guys.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
And very few teams have the amount of money in
free agency to actually go out and sign big name
free agency unless you call your shot early. Maybe he is,
maybe he's not, I don't know. Gives a little hint
out there, and they do these two back channels. It
doesn't necessarily have to be publicly through agents and a
bunch of other people. Oh, somebody might be looking at
the market coming up here in a couple of years
when he's a free agent. You might want to get
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your books ready. We've seen it happen. I mean, Kevin Durant,
Lebron James did a free agency tour before he signed
with the Heatles. It's not totally unprecedented that players have
done these sorts of things in the past.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
It's just the new CBA to me, is that game changer.
I don't think we're seeing it from the top tier
guys anymore. I don't think teams will let it get
to that point where they haven't offered them something because
like if he's not a top tier guy, like say,
if it's Tree Young, he has a player option for
after this season. Atlanta has done a nice job retooling.
I actually like how their works and it seems to
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be built around him, so I don't expect him to leave.
But Atlanta might try to play hardball because they don't
want to give him the same max that Lucas do
for the two twenty three or whatever it is they
may want to offer him one to eighty because he
hasn't been as good. Well, they'll risk it because of
that too, they would risk losing him. Therefore, he's not
one of these Tier one guys I'm talking about with
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Luca or with Jokic, or with Kad and his prime,
or with Lebron and his prime, those guys, those once
in a lifetime guys. I don't think any team is
going to lose to unrestricted free agency like they used to.
So all these teams, so you can plan all you want.
You can plan a pretty pick nick, you can predict
the web.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Well, there's another potential pending free agent in twenty twenty
seven that we can get into when we can continue
this conversation coming up next hour, because this person actually
spoke on the record with an interview and had a
very nebulous response when asked about his future at his
current destination. So we could talk about that coming up
in the next hour. But in the next segment, Adam
(29:52):
has a hot take when it comes to Clayton Kershaw
in the All Star Game.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
I mean, I don't know if it's that hot since
we're in Los Angeles, well, but people outside of LA
could be very upset because I kind of think Clayton
Kershaw should be starting in the All Star Game. A
guy who got the nod because he's an MLB legend,
not based upon the actual season. He is having to
(30:16):
be an All Star. I'm gonna take it up in
ash Okay. Not only should be an All Star, he
should be starting. And I don't mean throwing out the
first pitch like he's a fan or anything like that.
I mean throwing out the first pitch in the game.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
I'm gonna take it to another level. You're way out
of line. LA sports is Kevin figures in Adam Auslin
sitting in for Rogan and Rodney once again. Dodger tickets
between now and three o'clock for August fourth between the
Cardinals and Dodgers. Keep listening in for the qu to
call and we'll let you know. But coming up next
we'll talk Clayton Kersher on the Dodgers at the All
Star Game in Atlanta, AM five to seventy. LA Sports
(30:49):
Kevin figures Adam Alston in for Rogan and Rodney.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Welcome back in. It's Rogan and Rodney, but the boys
are in. It's the fn A takeover f and A Cotton. Yeah,
we're here. Yeah, you heard our Mike Crack. We may
have a special guest because first of all, oh, here
we go, Fred didn't like that introduction.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Well, let me just say this. I appreciate that you
guys are doing it today. Thank you. You're doing a
terrific job. So much so I thought I better rush in.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
But by the way, you're listening to the voice of
Fred Rogan, the.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Man whose name is on the show.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
Yeah. But the thing is, when I hear that you're
running your own branding. Wow, what do you mean the brand?
Oh Figures and Adam, I get it. Yeah, you're running
your own show. Open.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
We do have our own show open that says this
is the f and A takeover. We did not run that.
We didn't want to disrespect you and Rodney and do that,
although we could have.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I did exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
So is the sensible one here obviously.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
So I'm just hanging out here for a bit because
I'm not doing our show today.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
What do you got going on?
Speaker 3 (31:54):
They asked me to do KFI and filling for Tim
Conway this after.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Yeah, they shoes to fill.
Speaker 3 (32:02):
I'm doing Tim Conway's show. So when they asked me.
Michelle Cube, who's the executive producer of KFI, texted me
on Monday and said, hey, can you fill in for
Tim on Friday night? I said, I'll get back to
you tomorrow. That was my plan. I'd think about it.
Then I figured, Kevin, we do our show and I'd
go over there. But I didn't get back to her
fast enough. Okay, So then she texted me and she goes, listen,
(32:26):
if you agree, if you do Tim Conway, Brian Long,
we'll have somebody fill in for you on Friday. I went, oh, well, okay,
then I don't have to do both shows.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Ton deal if I both the door.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
If I had responded quicker, I would have done both,
but she said just do Tim Conway. And I don't
think Brian Long thought the two of you would be
doing this though that I think now this is a
different story.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
I better recognize.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Saying that you're now regretting the fact that you didn't
get back to Mi Shew earlier is what you're saying.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Godam okay, you're saying we crashed the car of the
Roken and Robbie show to.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
People that listen to the show. No, No, we crashed
the car you are. We're the ones that crash the car.
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, well today is we don't care.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
We don't care anything goes on Friday.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
We're kind of glad you're here for this segment because
we're talking Dodgers here. I know you guys do that
a lot too. This is part of the mandate and
it's kind of a big deal because the All Star
Games coming up, and you know, Clayton Kershaw got that
legacy All Star nod. I want to take it up
a notch. I'm thinking he's not just there. It's not
(33:35):
some token All Star nod. Clayton Kershaw should be starting,
and there's a route to make this happen. There is
a route for this to happen. Dave Roberts, an OL
manager Paul Skeens is in love with him. It would
be him if it's not Kershaw. He doesn't care, he
doesn't care at all. He's got Libby Dunns. He's probably
(33:57):
doing backlips like in Hot Shots Part two on a
him like he's he's happy, he's fine, And he said
he's gonna follow around Clayton Kershaw all weekend long or
all week long at the All Star Game because that's
his favorite pitcher growing up, and he's obsessed with him,
so that's that's his hero, he would acquiesce. I mean,
this is not the first time this has happened. Do
(34:19):
you remember the NBA when Vince Carter back in two
thousand and three stepped aside in the starting lineup for
Michael Jordan. The same thing could happen with Clayton Kershaw starting.
I don't care what type of year he's had. It's
an exhibition game. Am I wrong?
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Am I wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (34:33):
You are.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Go down the hall?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Yeah, yeah, I'll be going soon. No you are, Adam,
Come on. That position has to be earned. I understand
it's an exhibition game. Everybody loves Clayton Kershaw, but at
this point, Paul Skeines is the starter. Now, if Clayton pitches,
that's great, And I understand what you're saying about the
ceremony of it. No way, no way. You have to
earn a starting knot on the hill in the All
(34:59):
Star Game, and Clayton Kershaw is there kind of in
a ceremonial role, which is great, and I hope he
gets in the game, but I don't start him.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
What if the NL All Star team wants him out there.
What if they think this could be his swan song,
his final season. That's probably why Rob Manford made sure
he was there in the first place.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
If that's the case, then let him pitch at some point.
What does it matter?
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Let him start, because that it's it's he's in his rhythm.
He's in his usual starter role, like we don't we
don't want to mix him up coming.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
The game does gonna start at seven, ten, So it's
he's outside of his rhythm anyway, It doesn't matter to.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Pitch seven to ten Pacific that night, correct? And what
times the game start? Five?
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Five, something like that?
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Right? Yeah, so he fised seven.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
He's already thrown off yours in.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
This absolutely never happens. I actually agree with Fred what yeah,
thank you, Paul exactly. That's how wrong I am here
in a mirror on that one at him.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
I'm not gonna be able to sleep tonight.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Kershaw voted in, are placed in by the commissioner. Great,
whatever works for me as well. If he gets in
the game, great, But I don't think he should start.
I think people come in, especially off the bat, to
see the stars of the game, and no pitcher in
Baseball is bigger than Paul Skins, and even Dave Roberts
recognizes that he knows the spectacle of it all right,
So it's an easy decision to put Skins in there.
(36:12):
And if you want to bring Kershaw on the game,
bring him in later. It's fine.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
You think this is some two on one where I'm
gonna be out guns here, no, no, never outgunned. I'm
saying this like you're already out gun No no, no, no, no, no, no,
no outnumber not out gun. I got too right here, Fred,
what if I tell you this?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Jesus hey, No, I want to ask you this.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Question seriously, quiz hotshot. What happened last year in the
All Star Game? What was so eventful in it?
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Tell me?
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Tell me about last year's All Star Game? Tell me
about it.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
What happened?
Speaker 1 (36:40):
Fred? Who won?
Speaker 3 (36:42):
No idea?
Speaker 1 (36:42):
You should at least guess American League since they always
win American So there wasn't some big moment. There wasn't
some moment that will live forever. Huh see. I kind
of feel like the biggest moment in any All Star
Game ever was from our guy who wasn't even in
the league at the time. It was Magic Johnson in
ninety two. He wasn't even playing for the Lakers and
(37:04):
they brought him into the All Star Game and he
had that tremendous performance and everybody gave him hugs afterwards.
That's the stuff we remember, like, why don't we have
something like that?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
For I remember Yoka hitting like a forty five foot
or a couple of years ago when the game that
no one cared about, and know I will play defense.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
That's okay. Well, I just think this is more it's
more important, Like I'm all for the meritocracy stuff. It
should be based on merit. It already isn't. Clayton Kershaw
himself has said, I'm not obviously not having an All
Star season. They created this legacy loophole for guys like him.
Take it one step further and have him come out
as the starting pitcher. That's what you would remember from
(37:42):
this All Star Game because not much else is gonna happen.
I think that's gonna be that memorable.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Fread what could that happen? Maybe maybe the reality is
I just don't think it should happen, all right.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
I don't think anybody will remember it regardless. No one's
gonna remember Clayton Kershall started the All Star Game this year,
No more so than who started last year, the year
before or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I'll remember because then I would have been right.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
Yeah, that's what it is. You'd be the one. You'd
be the one at this point in time.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
Yeah, or you have no wife and the hell I
couldn't tell you.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
We got to get to Bill Plunkett here. We're already
behind Fred. What do you have coming up today on
a Tim Conway show? Do you know?
Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Do you have any idea?
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (38:17):
I might just show up and just sit down and
just like all right, big dogs, high producers down the
car chase, so.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
You don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
We have State Assemblyman Carl Demail who will come on
and explain why the people you will liked in the
state of California to go up to Sacramento or a
bunch of cowards. That'll be on. Okay, I love that. Uh,
that's coming it hot, that's right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
We all heard Mayor.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
Butt's coming on, because I know that's happening, of course
he is.
Speaker 3 (38:42):
I'm just gonna say, you know who's coming on, gotta
bring my my buddy, the mayor on. That's great and
at six twenty j Flats now Jay Flatts. You know
the name, think about it. Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
He used to be the Rascal's cousin that no, that
is not Rascal's cousin.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
He used to be the guy at the King's Game
that would do the inn stadium and noun. Anyway, he's
now been hired and he's a friend, but he's now
been hired to do the Wheel of Fortune road show.
And they take Wheel of Fortune around the company around
the country, and they do it at places and people.
They play the game and it's just like the TV show,
only they do it on the road. I think it's
pretty interesting. So he's going to be on coming up
(39:18):
at six twenty.
Speaker 1 (39:19):
You know how conniving Fred Rogan is. He's purposefully taking
this segment longer so we don't end up getting Bill
Plunket on in the very next segment. He is sabotaging
us doing his show.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
We were supposed to call Bill Plunkett four minutes ago.
This is what you do, Fred, We'll call him.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
We're over the clock.
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Well the clock has been destroyed, so what.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Are you still from last hour?
Speaker 2 (39:40):
Yes, we are.
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Don't that like this doesn't happen to.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
You and Roddy, it's the final time you guys are.
Speaker 2 (39:45):
Ever doing this.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Okay for four minutes over from last hour. Oh, this
is like a standard Friday or Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday
on the show. Yeah, it doesn't matter who's in this chair.
Had to yell at Big Ben and Jonas yesterday.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
We keep receipts here, Fred, sorry to hear above it.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Jesus, thank you Fred. All right, I love you Fred
on KFI M six forty, filling in for the great
Tim Conway coming up later this afternoon. Coming up next
for us here on Rogan and Rodney, it is Bill
Plunkett from the OC Register out at San Francisco. As
we get ready for Dodgers and Giants in the Bay Area.
Kevin figures Adam Alslin in for Rogan and Rodney on
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